Episode 6 Debatable

CHEERING

Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today,

one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to

walk away with a jackpot of over £2,000.

But as always, they're not on their own, they will have

a panel of well-known faces debating their way to the answers.

Will they help or will they hinder? As always, that is debatable.

So, let's meet them!

Straight-talking today,

we have broadcaster Rick Edwards,

TV presenter Rav Wilding

and we have retired MP and writer Ann Widdecombe.

APPLAUSE

OK, that is today's panel, let's meet today's contestant,

it is Loussin from London!

-Hello, Loussin, welcome to the show.

-Thank you, nice to meet you.

So tell us a little bit about yourself.

My name's Loussin and I'm 22 years old.

I'm a receptionist for an engineering company.

I've also got a lot of interests in singing.

So is that something you do in work or in your spare time?

Well, sometimes people walk past the office, and if they catch me

through the door they'll see me going,

"Shake it off, shake it off..."

LAUGHTER

How long have you had this job, Loussin?

-It's actually soon to be ending.

-Really(?) I wonder why!

I plan to finish in a few months and I'm thinking of going travelling.

So really, what you need is potentially

a quiz show where you could get yourself a couple of grand...

LOUSSIN LAUGHS

-Hey, what are the chances(?)

-What are the chances?

-Now I CAN go to India.

-How long you been singing for?

Maybe the age of 13.

And I started doing open mic nights when I went to uni,

and now I'm doing jazz.

You do know that you're on the wrong show really? These people...

We're not judges!

Hang on, give us a tune and let's see if you go through

to the next round.

I'm going to do Billionaire, cos I feel like, appropriate.

Not on this show, I have to say.

LAUGHTER

With the money we're dishing out here. Go ahead.

# I want to be a billionaire so frickin' bad... #

Hey, hey, hey, hey...

# Buy all of the things I never had... #

-OK, let's go to our panel, Ann, is it a yes from you?

-I'm tone-deaf.

-So that's a no from you then?

-I wouldn't know.

-OK.

-Let's go to Simon.

-You made that song your own.

LOUSSIN SIGHS CONTENTEDLY

-And finally, Louis.

-Ohh...

LAUGHTER

What is it? "I didn't like it - I loved it." That sort of thing?

-LOUSSIN:

-Yeah!

-APPLAUSE

-Ready to play?

-I'm ready, I was born ready.

-Born ready, here we go.

It's time for Round One.

Round One is multiple choice, four possible answers,

only one is correct, three questions in this round.

£200 up for grabs for each correct answer, a possible 600 quid.

Here's your first question.

I've a feeling it's Winston Churchill,

but I'm going to need Ann to help me out here.

OK. Panel, your debate starts now.

It's got to be Winston Churchill, I would have thought.

-Because he was a prolific writer.

-OK.

I don't know that he ever got a Nobel Prize,

so I would have thought that was the most likely out of that.

Are there any we can eliminate, nice and easily? Castro?

I would be tempted to eliminate Castro.

I don't know, I feel like it is possible to be

a communist and also like literature.

-Yes, but did he?

-I don't know.

It wasn't JFK, was it?

And I can't remember that Charles de Gaulle ever wrote anything of...

that level of significance.

Yeah, Charles de Gaulle,

I've certainly never read any of his books.

-RIPPLE OF LAUGHTER

-How many of them are there?

Four.

-LAUGHTER

-Really? Can you name them?

They're all in French, so... Over to you, Rav!

-I think the most likely is Winston.

-Yeah, I think Churchill.

-Yeah?

We are going to go for the first answer, which is Winston Churchill.

So they think, like you, Winston Churchill.

-I'm going to go with the panel, with myself, Winston Churchill.

-OK.

Let's see, to get you up and running, for £200...

Did Winston Churchill win a Nobel Prize for Literature?

He did!

PANELLISTS DROWNED OUT BY APPLAUSE

It's all good. Churchill won the prize in 1953.

His works include an autobiography

and a multi-volume work about the First and the Second World Wars.

-Charles de Gaulle did write war memoirs, no novels.

-Four?

-He wrote nine volumes.

-But the latter five were not really...

-He went off the boil, didn't he?

-They were very overrated.

OK, Loussin, you're off to a flying start,

that's £200 into the prize pot.

APPLAUSE

OK, Loussin, here comes your next question.

I work in an engineering office, so...

-This should be a piece of cake!

-Yeah.

-A piece of cake, or a vegetable.

-Yes!

-They're kind of...

It's all, like, reminiscent of Arabic structures, actually,

and that shape is sort of like an onion,

so I think I'm going to have a ponder on the onion dome.

OK, have a ponder on the onion.

Panel, can you bring anything to this? Your debate starts now.

I would have tossed up between onion and garlic,

and the reason I'd choose garlic, which might sound a bit odd,

is if you think of the shape of a clove of garlic,

it is a bit like that.

I don't think it's radish or turnip,

but I'm open to be convinced otherwise.

I'm inclined to agree with you, I think...

And Russia likes onions quite a lot.

That's what I was going to say,

what is the most obviously linked to Russia?

-You think of borscht.

-Those domes are kind of ribbed,

aren't they? Am I remembering that?

So they're that shape and they've got kind of got...segments?

-Which is a bit more garlicky...

-Yeah.

-..than onion.

-Onion's much more regular round, isn't it?

I love that about it being in segments.

I'd be happy to go with garlic for that reason, if everyone is happy.

-I'd be very happy to go with garlic.

-OK.

Our answer is garlic dome.

I like the idea of going with garlic,

but Ann said that they love onions.

I'm going to go with the panel, because of the segments.

I'm going to go with the garlic dome.

-No, I'm going to go with onion.

-LAUGHTER

You're going with onion, Loussin.

I'm going with garlic.

I'm going with garlic.

You believe Saint Basil's Cathedral in Moscow has a garlic dome.

For £200, the correct answer is...

AUDIENCE GASPS

-Oh, Loussin. RICK:

-Oh, sorry.

You should have trusted your gut.

I should have trusted my gut, every time, I always think this!

So-called because they are shaped like an onion, there you go.

They've missed a trick there, should have called it garlic.

Does look garlicky, doesn't it?

The one on the left-hand side looks like a Mr Whippy ice cream.

LAUGHTER

Nothing for that one, Loussin.

One more question still to come in this round, here it comes.

I've a feeling it's Manchester, I feel like Manchester

had a lot of factories.

Hold that thought, you're edging towards Manchester.

Panel, can you help us out here? Your debate starts now.

The north-west was a huge producer of cotton,

and when I was fighting Burnley in 1979...

Was that the seat of Burnley, or you were fighting the city of Burnley?

No, I wasn't fighting the city.

The demise of cotton was a very, very big issue, and Manchester,

of course, is virtually next door.

So I think that's just got to be Manchester, I can't believe

that Southampton ever specialised in cotton.

Southampton's a port, I don't think it's anything to do with cotton.

-Derby... In football, it's Rams...

-It's got to be the north-west.

I don't know if they're known for that.

You cannot make cotton from rams. You can't.

And God knows I've tried!

You know, very often we're uncertain on this panel,

but if it ISN'T Manchester, I shall be utterly amazed. Utterly amazed.

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

I am too. Our answer is Manchester.

OK, panel pretty sure on this one, Loussin.

They are, I trust Ann's knowledge about cotton, politics,

and it's got to be Manchester.

OK, you're going with your gut, you're going with the panel.

For £200, the correct answer is...

It is Manchester!

APPLAUSE

Very well done. Well done, Ann. Well played, panel.

Manchester was famous as the centre of textile and cotton,

which was one of Britain's largest exports during the 19th century.

So, very well done, Loussin. At the end of Round One, you're on £400.

Yay!

Let's see how they cope with pictures, it's time for Round Two.

OK, Loussin, Round Two is our picture round,

we need you to put three pictures in the correct order.

£300 for each correct answer, a possible £600 up for grabs.

So, here comes your first one.

OK, I know the dodo is definitely going to be either first or second.

Great auk? I've never heard of that, but it looks...

I think I'm going to go with the great auk first,

cos it's got a really short neck,

and I feel like evolution has gotten rid of birds with short necks

and little wings.

-LAUGHING:

-It's got really little wings.

Listen, I-I think we should maybe stop there.

Yeah?

I want to hear more about how birds have evolved...

Easy now. OK, panel, any help on this? Your debate starts now.

-OK, Ann.

-Can I be very unscientific?

-Yes.

-When I was a child, I was very fond of Enid Blyton.

-Yep.

And one of her characters was a very keen ornithologist

-who claimed to have seen a great auk.

-Oh.

Now, if a great auk had been extinct for centuries,

it wouldn't have been much of a story, so I suggest therefore

that the great auk was a fairly recently extinct bird.

Ooh, I like that.

But that is totally unscientific, that is just on Enid Blyton.

OK, well, that's certainly a good starting point.

Which I was reading in the '50s.

-Weirdly...

-Yeah?

-..I think I'm just going to nail this.

-OK.

-Oh, good.

-So the dodo went extinct in the 17th century...

I'm almost certain.

Passenger pigeon was in the 20th century,

and I think the great auk was 19th.

I'm 100% with you on the dodo,

because these are from Mauritius,

where my dad's from.

Well, let's put the dodo...

And they were killed in 1600 and something when

-the Portuguese came over and ate them.

-Yep, yep.

So you're absolutely right with that one.

-The pigeon, did you think was...?

-It was after World War I, wasn't it?

And the great auk is essentially a massive penguin. What a legend.

So we have our answers.

We are going to go dodo, great auk and passenger pigeon.

Eh, so, Rick taking charge on this, what do you think?

I'm going to just throw away my reasoning and go with the panel.

-You're going with the panel.

-I'm going with the panel.

OK, for £300, is that the correct order?

It IS the correct order!

Well done, panel.

The dodo became extinct in the 17th century, Rav, exactly right.

The great auk was a flightless bird of

the northern seas that was hunted to extinction

-in the mid-19th century.

-Well done.

It is alleged the last known pair of birds of the species

were killed in 1844.

The passenger pigeon was extinct by 1914, when the last bird,

called Martha, died at Cincinnati Zoo.

Aww, poor Martha.

Well done, panel. Well done, Loussin.

That's £300 into your prize pot, you're up to £700.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Here comes your second picture question.

Oh, do I know my Eurovision?

I'm going to say Dana International, Katrina and the Waves

and then Lordi. That might change.

OK, that might change.

OK, panel, let's plumb your Eurovision knowledge.

Your debate starts now.

My European knowledge is limited entirely to Dana,

but that happened while I was a student,

so we're talking late '60s, early seventies.

OK. I was hoping Bucks Fizz would come up,

cos that's probably the last one I remember!

And they are none of these options.

Katrina and the Waves though, I do think was probably la...

Possibly late '90s, early 2000s, I'm thinking.

I've got '97 or something like that in my head.

-Lordi...

-And Lordi was quite recent.

She was certainly while I was a student, we're going back...

I think we might be thinking of someone else, Ann.

Oh, she's not the Dana who did All Kinds of Everything?

-I don't think this Dana...

-In that case, I know nothing about it.

..is the person you're thinking about as a student.

-Then I know nothing about her.

-I think it was sort of 2000s then.

-UNCERTAIN:

-Yeah.

But then, looking at the picture of Katrina and the Waves,

I think you're right to go on more the late '90s side.

-So she would be earliest, so...

-So I would do that.

Katrina, Dana and Lordi's the most recent.

-Yeah.

-We happy? Ann, you happy?

-Oh, I don't have a view.

-OK.

-And you're convinced there really are two Danas.

-I believe so.

OK, our answers are Katrina and the Waves,

Dana International and then Lordi.

I'm going to say Katrina and the Waves is the earliest.

I've changed my mind. I'm tempted to change Dana and Lordi.

I don't know why. I'm going to change Dana and Lordi.

You're going to change Dana and Lordi. Going against the panel.

You believe Katrina and the Waves first won Eurovision then

Lordi then Dana International. For £300, is that the correct order?

Wrong order, Loussin. Let's have a look at the right order.

The panel had this one correct.

Katrina and the Waves, then Dana International, then Lordi.

Katrina and the Waves, the last UK win, back in 1997,

with Love Shine A Light.

Transsexual singer Dana International won in 1998

in Birmingham, representing Israel, with Diva.

I can't believe I got that so wrong.

-You can't believe you got that one so wrong.

-I only knew one Dana.

Lordi, representing Finland, won in 2006 with Hard Rock Hallelujah.

So, you went against the panel there, Loussin. It didn't work out.

However, at the end of Round Two, you're up to £700.

APPLAUSE

How do you think the panel's doing now, Loussin?

I think they're doing pretty well. I think I'm going to trust them more.

-You're going to trust them a bit more?

-Yeah!

Especially when it comes to things like Eurovision.

So, anybody standing out, then,

anybody you're thinking you might take to the final debate?

-See, I was keen on Ann.

-Not for the modern stuff!

OK, Loussin, there's still £1,000 up for grabs.

It's time for Round Three.

OK, in this round, you will face questions that contain three

statements about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of them is true. Two questions in this round.

Because it's our final round,

the money goes up to £500 for each correct answer.

So, Loussin, have a look at this and tell me what you think.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy definitely won awards. Hugh Laurie...

Oh, I did watch The Night Manager,

but I stopped after the first or second episode!

I'm going to say that Hugh Laurie's character in The Night Manager

might be female in the book.

OK. Not sure on this one. Not sure. Can we sort it out, panel?

Your debate starts now.

-Have you read any of these books?

-Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

-Seen the film?

-So long ago. But it was huge, and it did win.

-It won awards.

-Any Oscars, though? That is a lot, isn't it?

-That really is a lot to win.

-I think Gary Oldman is an incredible actor.

I'm not sure he's won an Oscar. And apologies, Gary,

if you're watching and you have won three Oscars.

-He's a huge fan of this show.

-Yeah, yeah, I bet he is.

He's cursing the TV at the moment!

Lupita Nyong'o worked as a runner on the film The Constant Gardener.

Now, she's an actress that was in... Is it 12 Years A Slave?

-I believe that was her.

-Yeah.

-It is plausible.

I'm not sure if she was living here at the time, though.

I also think she might be too young.

The Constant Gardener is early 2000s, isn't it?

Isn't it, like, 2002?

See, that is very much earlier than 12 Years A Slave.

Yeah, I think at least ten years,

-and I think Lupita Nyong'o is probably in her mid-20s.

-Yeah.

I've not watched The Night Manager and certainly haven't read the book.

I've watched The Night Manager, but that's

-no use if you haven't read the book.

-No.

Was Hugh Laurie's character in the programme called Jenny

-or something like that?

-LAUGHTER

OK. I think we're in agreement on the bottom one, and Lupita Nyong'o,

I think she would have been too young,

which leaves us with Hugh Laurie's character possibly being

a female, and we are going to say Hugh Laurie's character was

a female in the book.

OK, so our panel not quite sure on this,

but by a process of elimination they are going for A.

They believe Hugh Laurie's character in The Night Manager was

originally female in the bok.

I just feel like surely feminists would have been in uproar

about Hugh Laurie's character being female changed to male.

But then, the main female character was quite strong. Erm...

I'm going to go with statement A, only because I feel like the

panel know more about the other two actors than I do.

OK, you're going for A. You're agreeing with the panel.

You think Hugh Laurie's character in The Night Manager

is female in the book.

For £500, the correct statement is...

..Lupita Nyong'o worked as a runner on the film The Constant Gardener.

It was great logic you were working out.

You thought that if Hugh Laurie's character had've been changed,

I mean, there would have been a bit more of a hoo-hah about it.

The character Richard Roper, played by Hugh Laurie, is male in both the

novel and the television adaptation,

although Olivia Coleman's character, Angela Burr, was a man in the book.

Oldman was nominated for his first Oscar for his performance in

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, and you're right,

he hasn't won an Oscar to date.

The Constant Gardener was shot in 2005, when Lupita Nyong'o was 22.

-Oh!

-So just in case any union people think that underage runners would

have been employed on that movie.

I'm afraid no money there, but there's still £500 up for

grabs in your final question in this round. Here it comes.

I've never heard that he was suspected of stealing the Mona Lisa.

The panel can correct me. I feel like it could be C.

OK, you feel like it could be C. Panel, any help on this?

Your debate starts now.

I veer towards C, as well, towards the fact that he was over 30.

It's the time of his first exhibition,

not the first painting he ever did or sold or anything.

His first exhibition.

I don't know about the other two, but I can't believe we

wouldn't all know if he was suspected of stealing the Mona Lisa.

The Mona Lisa's pretty big potatoes to be suspected of stealing.

I think we'd know, because it must have been a huge thing at the time.

We'd know, surely.

And we'll all know, because it would be in the mythology around him.

I think so, and someone would have made a film about it.

I've seen a lot of his... At the risk of bragging, I've seen quite

a bit of his early work, guys!

-Good. Use your knowledge. Do you know when Cezanne was painting?

-No.

We could work it out if we knew more about Cezanne,

and then we could work out if he was likely to have been a mentor.

If anything, I'd say it was probably the other way round.

-I think Cezanne would have...

-I had a feeling.

-Yeah.

So, yes, I think the first exhibition.

Yeah, OK, we're going to say Pablo Picasso was over 30 years old

at the time of his first exhibition.

OK, Loussin, they think he was over 30.

I know that he mentored a lot of young artists.

It's going to really annoy me,

because it's actually one that I'm quite good at.

But I'm not good at onion architecture.

I'm going to... I'm going to go with C.

OK, you're going with C. For £500, the correct answer is...

-..he was suspected of stealing the Mona Lisa!

-Who would have thought?

-Who would have thought?

-None of us!

When the Mona Lisa was stolen from the Louvre in 1911,

Picasso was one of several suspects. No evidence could be found.

Two years later, the true culprit was discovered,

an Italian petty criminal called Vincenzo Peruggia.

He actually believed that the work belonged to Italy,

but it was actually commissioned by a French king,

even though it was painted by Leonardo.

Pablo Picasso was born 42 years after Cezanne.

Picasso said of him that he was "my one and only master".

Picasso was a precocious artist and had an exhibition of his

early works in Paris when he was 19.

-You were right about Cezanne.

-Yeah...

The panel couldn't get there,

I'm afraid you couldn't work it out either, Loussin.

It means at the end of Round Three, you're on £700.

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So, £700, a tidy little sum. Any plans for the cash?

I can definitely put it towards my trip to India and the yoga

-retreat that I'm going to do.

-OK.

There is only one question between you and that money.

It is of course today's final debate.

In the final debate, it's one question, six possible answers.

We need three of those answers to be correct.

OK, Loussin, who would you like to join you in the final debate?

Will your chances be as dead as a dodo with Rick, will you go with

the Crimewatch host that didn't know Picasso was a suspect, Rav,

or will you unpeel the intellectual onion that is Ann?

I'm not an onion!

I mean, there are so many layers of knowledge there. But...

-LOUSSIN LAUGHS

-..I'm going to go with Rick,

because I feel like we've also got the same pattern of reasoning.

Not sure that's a good thing, by the way!

OK, Rick, can you please join us for the final debate?

APPLAUSE

OK, Rick, Loussin has chosen you for the final debate because she

-believes that you guys think alike.

-We have a certain synergy.

We've not done especially well with it, but we do have it.

It is the final debate, Loussin, so we do give you two to choose from.

Have a look at these categories and tell me what you guys fancy.

I'm going to say I read a lot of books when I was a child.

International football is just something I know nothing about.

Rick, how do you feel about this?

I mean, listen, if it was me I'd probably go with football,

-but how hard can it be, right?

-Yeah! Jacqueline Wilson...

-Who?

-OK, let's go.

-Yeah, OK, let's do it. Children's literature.

OK, here we go, you're going for children's literature.

We're going to put 45 seconds on the clock.

For £700, Loussin. We wish you all the best.

Here's your final debate question.

Your final debate starts now.

-OK, obviously it's a shame that Ann isn't up here.

-Yeah!

-But the ones that I know are Anne and Julian.

-Anne and Julian.

And then it's... I mean, I just...

I'm guessing that... Did they have a dog called Timmy?

Something like that.

-Would it be part of the Famous Five?

-That's a good point, actually.

They are unlikely to have the dog as part of the gang, aren't they?

So Anne, Julian...

-And I don't think there was a Sally.

-I think it's Anne, Julian and Peter.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-Ten seconds.

-So, well, Anne and Julian I'm almost certain on.

-Scamper doesn't feel like a person.

-Scamper's not a person.

Scamper's a dog.

I need three answers.

I'm going to give you Anne, Julian and Peter.

OK, Loussin, here we go. You know how it works.

We need all three of these answers to be correct

to leave with the money. The first answer you gave me was Anne.

Was Anne part of the Famous Five?

APPLAUSE She was!

You're up and running. The next name you gave me was Julian.

If Julian was one of the Famous Five, you're still in the game.

For £700, was Julian in the Famous Five?

APPLAUSE He was!

And so it all comes down to this.

If Peter's correct, you leave with £700.

If it's wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

Was Peter a part of the Famous Five?

He wasn't, Loussin. I am so, so sorry.

Let's have a look at the correct answer.

Julian, Dick and Anne, George and Timmy the dog, as the song went.

-Timmy was the dog!

-Timmy was the dog.

-Oh, no!

I am so, so sorry. Give it up one more time for Loussin!

APPLAUSE

-You were so close!

-I know!

That is it for Debatable.

There's just time for me to thank our fantastic panel,

to Rick Edwards, to Rav Wilding and Ann Widdecombe.

APPLAUSE

I hope you've enjoyed watching. We'll see you next time for more

heated debates. For now, it's goodbye.