Episode 7 Debatable

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Hello and welcome to Debatable, where today,

one player must answer a series of tricky questions to try to

walk away with a jackpot of over £2,000.

But, as always, they are not on their own, they will have

a panel of famous faces debating their way to the answers.

Will they be able to talk the talk?

Well, as always, that's debatable, so let's meet them.

Talking the talk today, we have actress Sally Lindsay.

We have comedian Ed Byrne,

and broadcaster and journalist Angela Rippon.

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It's a well balanced panel, Ed.

I'm sensing you've got the authority there in the middle.

Does this give me authority, being in the middle?

I kind of think it does.

I was not aware that this seat came with such responsibility.

-So, are you happy with your fellow panellists?

-Oh, deliriously.

Yes, who wouldn't be?

I think we've got a range of talents

and a range of interests displayed in front of you here.

What would those range of talents and interests be, Sally?

Well, I quite like the arts questions, I don't like maths.

And sport I'm dreadful at, so I'm really scared of sport, but...

-Anybody good at sport?

-We're not good...

-Angela's not bad.

Angela's an all-rounder.

Angela has got a big brain and she shares it with us. You do.

Well, not if you ask me questions on pop music.

-If they don't play it on Radio 4, I don't know it.

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OK, that is our panel, let's meet today's contestant.

It is Claire from York.

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-How are you doing?

-Hi.

-Welcome to the show.

-Tell us a little bit about yourself.

-I work as a housing officer.

-What does a housing officer mean?

-Every day is different.

So I manage council tenancies, so I look after the tenants,

make sure that they're managing their tenancies well.

-Sometimes I have to be the bad cop.

-So, give me your good cop face.

And give me your bad cop face.

I see what you've done there.

What do you think of today's panel?

Bearing in mind we're sitting right here.

-I think they are going to help me a lot.

-We'll do our best.

You will have to choose one of them to play the Final Debate

-at the end of the show. All right, ready to play?

-Yes.

OK, Claire, here we go, let's play Round One.

Round One is multiple-choice, you have four possible answers,

we need you to find the correct one.

There are three questions in this round,

£200 for each correct answer, a possible £600.

OK, here we go.

-There's only two of them that I've heard of.

-And that is?

The Chuckle Brothers and the Chemical Brothers.

I have honestly no idea.

Don't worry, I'm sure the panel will be able to sort this out for you.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-Who do we know are actual brothers?

-Well, the Chuckle Brothers. If they are not...

-The Marx Brothers.

-And so are the Everlys.

-Are the Everly Brothers definitely?

I'm pretty sure. You're the music people, I'm pretty sure they are.

-I'm not 100%.

-I wasn't 100% the Marx Brothers were brothers.

-Yes, two of them are.

-Two of them are, all right, fine.

So, the Marx Brothers, the Chuckle Brothers definitely.

Else those moustaches are uncanny if they're not brothers.

And the Everly Brothers,

so it's between the Everly Brothers and the Chemical Brothers.

I don't know anything about the Chemical Brothers.

But I'm sure the Everly Brothers...

-It was quite a thing back in the

-'60s. I think they were brothers.

-You're not sure, are you?

-I'm going...

I know who the Chemical Brothers are, but I don't know whether

-they're brothers or not.

-What do they look like?

They don't really look... They're not even in

their videos, they're like instrumental, they're dance music.

-Oh.

-So you don't really... It's all samples and the like.

Then again, my twins look like they are from different families, so...

They probably just call themselves that.

Because there's certainly no way their surname is Chemical.

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-So they started...

-They're known as the Chuckles, are they?

-Yeah.

THEY LAUGH

What do you think?

OK, having had much debate, I think we've decided

that the Chemical Brothers do not contain actual siblings.

Our panel has leaned forward in a credible, convincing manner.

Anything in there, Claire, to help?

I know that the Chuckle Brothers are brothers.

I've never heard of the Everly Brothers, or the Marx Brothers.

So I think Chemical Brothers.

Based on our panel knowledge, you're going to go with the panel?

Yes, I'm going with the panel.

OK, you're going with the panel, you're saying Chemical Brothers.

To get us up and running, for £200, the correct answer is?

Chemical Brothers is the correct answer, well done.

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Relief all round.

The Chemical Brothers, AKA Ed Simons and Tom Rowlands,

both studied at Manchester University.

Well played, you're off to a flying start, £200 in the prize pot.

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OK. Here's question two, let's see if you can keep it going.

Anything ringing any bells up there, anything you can rule out?

I have an inkling, and my gut is heading towards Manhattan.

OK, you're thinking Manhattan. You're not quite sure.

Our well travelled panel, let's see if we can sort this out.

Your debate starts now.

Well, Manhattan is on the island, isn't it?

Manhattan is the main bit that takes the whole island.

And it's probably some of the most expensive real estate

-in America.

-So is that where Central Park is?

-Central Park is there.

Now I've been to that zoo, and it's tiny.

I don't think that's the largest zoo, then.

-Queens is on the other side.

-Yeah.

Brooklyn is... Where...

I've got a feeling it's the Bronx. I don't know why.

Because the Yankee Stadium, it will take a big amount of land, isn't it?

-Are you just going for, you reckon the Bronx...?

-The biggest part.

-Brooklyn's pretty big.

-Queens... Oh, dear. I don't know.

-Have you been to New York?

-I have. Many times.

-So have I.

-And yet I have not visited either Yankee Stadium or...

-The zoo.

-..the largest zoo. I've been to Central Park Zoo.

-Same here.

I don't think it's Queens,

because I think Queens is very much residential.

Are we going to go Bronx or Brooklyn, then?

-It's the Bronx or Brooklyn.

-Which should we say? You reckon the Bronx?

I think it might be the Bronx, but I wouldn't say for certain.

Only because I think the Bronx is where an awful lot

of the immigrants settled when they first went to America.

-I think we'll go with the Bronx, will we?

-Will we?

-Let's.

After much deliberation,

we have decided that the answer is the Bronx.

-They've gone for the Bronx, Claire.

-Oh, dear.

I'm still none the wiser.

-I think I'm going to go with the panel.

-And you're going for?

The Bronx.

OK. Going for the Bronx.

For £200, is that the correct answer?

It is, well done. Well played.

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Good knowledge, panel. Well played, Claire.

£200 into the prize pot, you're up to £400.

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Here comes your third question.

Let's see if we can make it a clean sweep in Round One.

I'm not really good at Greek mythology.

I think I'm swaying towards Heracles.

OK, you think it may be Heracles.

Panel, can you shed some light on this? Your debate starts now.

-Well, we know it's not Achilles.

-No.

-It's definitely not Achilles.

-The giant with the heel.

-No, he was the little one with the heel.

Oh, he went for the giant. He fought the giant with the heel.

Achilles is the one who got the arrow in the heel

when they were trying to get...what's her face out of...

Anyhow, it was him.

-For me, it's between Theseus and Odysseus.

-Odysseus had a ship.

-Yes, but he did a lot of quests.

-It's the Odyssey, isn't it?

-It is the Odyssey, yeah. It is the Odyssey.

-It's the Odyssey.

I don't think it's Heracles, I would have remembered that.

-So it's Theseus or Odysseus.

-Should we go for Odysseus, then?

-OK.

-Yeah?

-OK.

Right, we reckon that Odysseus slayed the Minotaur.

OK. Angela bringing in a little bit of knowledge there.

The panel are going for Odysseus.

Odysseus, to me, reminds me of sea.

But a Minotaur is on the land, I think.

-I think I'm going to go against the panel...

-Good girl.

..and go for Theseus.

OK, you're going against the panel.

You say Theseus slayed the Minotaur.

First time you've gone against the panel.

For £200, the correct answer is?

It was Theseus. APPLAUSE

-Well done.

-Well done there, Claire.

The Minotaur lived in his Labyrinth,

which is supposed to be on the island of Crete.

Athenian hero Theseus navigated the Labyrinth and killed the monster.

OK, Claire, you went against the panel.

You get another £200 into your prize pot,

bringing you up to £600 at the end of Round One.

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Well done.

OK, let's see how they do on pictures, it is time for Round Two.

In this round, Claire,

you must place three pictures in the correct order.

There are two questions in this round,

£300 up for grabs for each correct answer.

A possible 600. Here comes your first one.

-Any first thought?

-There's one I've never heard of.

-So I'm guessing he's only run a short time.

-OK.

Based on the fact you haven't heard of him. Who's that?

-Kenneth Clarke.

-OK.

I'm sure our political animals can sort this out for you.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-OK, so obviously...

Gordon Brown, I think, was the longest.

He was Chancellor all the time that Tony Blair was Prime Minister.

-Apart from the last nanosecond.

-The last nanosecond.

So he's down at this end.

George Osborne has only been there for a little while. But...

Well, he was the whole of the coalition.

-The whole of the coalition. And part of the next lot.

-So, six years.

-Kenneth...

-How long was Kenneth Clarke?

Kenneth Clarke, I'm trying to remember. Kenneth Clarke...

-Was he under Thatcher?

-Yes, he was.

He looks more at home with the briefcase than George Osborne.

He looks more used to it.

He's probably held it up quite a few times. "Here it is again."

Whereas he's holding it like, "What is this?"

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-He always just looks like that.

-Generally the result, wasn't it?

I'm really confused about these two.

Because Osborne was definitely there for the whole of the last...

-So, that might be...

-And I'm not sure...

-Six years is a long time.

I'm not sure Kenneth Clarke was.

-Do we want to swap them back?

-She did like a shuffle, didn't she?

-She was moving them around quite a bit.

-What should we go for, Angela?

-I think they're the other way round.

-Righto.

-I think you're right.

-I think.

Because I don't think he was,

I don't think he was Chancellor all the time she was Prime Minister.

-Was he Foreign Secretary?

-He was Foreign Secretary...

I think we're right. Yeah.

I'm going to go with what the ladies are telling me,

which is that the shortest was Ken Clarke,

then George Osborne, and then Gordon Brown.

So, Claire, the panel have had their own reshuffle.

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I was edging more towards that.

Still Kenneth Clarke being right at the beginning,

because I've never heard of him.

I know that Gordon Brown was there for a long time

and George Osborne is really recent. Yes, I'm going to go with the panel.

Kenneth, George, Gordon.

I like it. From not knowing who Kenneth Clarke is, you are now

-on first name terms, you're going for Kenneth, George and Gordon.

-Yes.

Is that the correct order, for £300?

Well played. Very well done. APPLAUSE

Well played, panel. Well done, Claire.

Ken Clarke was Chancellor for four years, from '93 to '97.

George Osborne, six years, 2010 to 2016.

Gordon Brown for ten years.

Very well played, Claire, another £300 into the prize pot,

you're up to £900.

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Let's have a look at your second picture question,

let's see if we can get some more cash up.

-I think I know.

-You think you know the order?

-Yeah.

-OK.

Let's see if our panel also know the order.

Panel, your debate starts now.

-I'm pretty sure Saving Private Ryan came first.

-Yes.

-So let's shove that.

-Catch Me If You Can...

Wasn't that the film about the guy who was the embezzler?

-Who was constantly on the run?

-Yes.

-It was Leonardo DiCaprio, wasn't it?

That was Leonardo DiCaprio.

-Whereas this one, he's basically in it on his own.

-Yes.

Now, I can't decide which one.

I have half a mind Cast Away came after Catch Me If You Can.

I think so, too.

I remember thinking it was interesting he did that one

after that one, and it was quite lightweight in comparison.

-But that was just...

-So when did he do Cast Away?

-Cast Away was, I thought, more recent.

-OK.

So you think Saving Private Ryan, Catch Me If You Can, then Cast Away?

-And the trouble is, he doesn't age, does he?

-He looks the same now.

He looks quite old there, but you would if you'd been

-on a desert island, wouldn't you, for a while?

-Yes. It's a tricky one.

It's a tug between these two, isn't it?

-He was a...

-He was an FBI agent.

-An FBI agent, that's right.

Trying to catch DiCaprio. So...

-And I think that's the order.

-Yeah?

-You think that's it?

-Yeah.

We already know that Claire is quite happy to reject our idea.

And quite right to do so.

And I don't blame her. But after having debated it,

having kicked it around for a while, we've decided that the order

was Saving Private Ryan came first, then Catch Me If You Can,

and then Cast Away.

That's the thought of the panel, Claire.

-You said you thought you knew this.

-I still think I do.

I think Saving Private Ryan was first.

Then Cast Away.

Because I do remember watching those films.

And Catch Me If You Can, I think that is the newest film.

So I'm going to go against the panel,

and I'm going to do Saving Private Ryan,

Cast Away, and Catch Me If You Can.

OK, you're going against the advice of the panel.

£300, is that the correct order?

It is, well done!

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Very well played, Claire. Very well played.

Saving Private Ryan was released in 1998, Cast Away in 2000,

Catch Me If You Can in 2002. Very well done, Claire.

It means at the end of Round Two, the prize pot stands at £1,200.

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All right. Let's play Round Three.

OK, Claire, in Round Three, you will face questions that contain

a statement about a person, a place or a thing.

Only one of them is true.

Because it's our final round, £500 for each correct answer,

a possible £1,000 up for grabs.

Here's your first question.

Is it the right time to say that I'm clueless?

It's a perfect time to say you're clueless.

Because I'm sure our panel will employ their historical expertise

to quickly sort this out for you, Claire.

-Panel, your debate starts now.

-Perhaps we can help you.

-I think...

We can rule out the first one.

Yeah, it's common knowledge that it did not last 100 years.

And also, the Battle of Agincourt famously is an English victory.

Henry V, the longbowmen at Agincourt,

beat the French. Absolutely.

On October 25th, or something like that.

You said... You were almost offended that there was a suggestion...

-That the French had won.

-..that the French had won. You were like,

"How dare you? I have never been so insulted in all my life!"

-The Rippon's not happy.

-The Rippon is not happy with that, no.

The Rippon is ripping. LAUGHTER

-But Joan of Arc definitely did fight in that conflict.

-Definitely did.

Because she was trying to get the French king back on the throne

when they were fighting the English

and it was the English who burnt her at the stake.

Maybe she should have fought harder and than the Battle of Agincourt

-might have gone the French way.

-No way, come on! English bowmen, no.

-Where do you think we got the V-sign from?

-Yes, this is true.

-Because if the French captured...

-That's specifically from Agincourt?

Specifically from Agincourt,

because if the French captured English bowmen

during the Hundred Years War,

they would cut their fingers here,

because these were the fingers that held the bow,

so they would take those fingers away.

So we think it's got to be... Joan of Arc.

Yes, after not even any debate, really, after a brief discussion,

we finally feel that we can help our contestant,

and we are ready to tell you that Joan of Arc fought in this conflict.

OK, really good knowledge there from Angela.

They believe that Joan of Arc fought in the Hundred Years War.

-Angela sounded like she knew the answer, so...

-She did.

Don't seem so shocked.

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I think I'm going to go with the panel.

-I'm going to go with B.

-Joan of Arc?

-Yes.

OK, you're going with the panel.

Did Joan of Arc fight in the Hundred Years War?

For £500, the correct answer is?

She did! APPLAUSE

Very well done. Well played, Claire.

Joan of Arc did fight in the conflict,

being captured and executed in 1431.

That is £500 into the prize pot, taking you up, Claire, to £1,700.

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Here's question two.

Um, I'm trying to remember the film Walk The Line.

I think i'm swaying towards B, spent a year in prison for arson.

-OK, you're swaying towards B.

-Yeah.

-You're not quite sure.

Panel, Johnny Cash. Which statement is true? Your debate starts now.

-I think the haemorrhoid cream thing is a joke.

-I don't know.

Because of the song - burning ring of fire.

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-I wish it was though.

-And I won't accept it.

-When did Stalin die?

-See? That sounds like the most likely to me.

It sounds like one of those ones,

he might have been in a radio station

or something when the news came in or something like that.

-When did Stalin die? After the Second World War, wasn't it?

-Yeah.

And as for spent a year in prison for arson, I mean,

if they never put him away for shooting a man in Reno

just to watch him die,

I'd be surprised if they then decided to pick him up for arson.

-I wonder if then it has to be the first one.

-Yeah.

Cos he would have been...

-I like your theory that he would have been in a radio station.

-Yeah.

It's one of those nice little facts that he'd have been around

somewhere as the despatches came in.

-I think the first one.

-Yeah.

-Shall we go for the first one then?

-Yeah.

Shall we? Right.

By the process of elimination and logical discussion, we reckon that

Johnny Cash was the first American to hear that Stalin had died.

So, Claire...?

Oh, dear.

-Any help?

-I'm torn.

I'm torn between A and B now.

I'll stick with the panel. Go with A.

Stalin.

OK. You've changed your mind.

Your first thought,

he spent a year in prison for arson after our panel's debate.

You're going with Johnny Cash was the first American to hear

Stalin had died.

For £500, is that the correct statement?

It is! APPLAUSE

It's a weird one to make up, isn't it?

While he was in the army,

-he was working intercepting Russian morse code messages.

-Ah.

That's how he was doing it.

And he intercepted the message of Stalin's death in March 1953.

So you carbon dated that just about right, Angela.

He never served a custodial sentence,

although he famously gave concerts in the prisons.

His family blocked a haemorrhoid cream advert,

using Ring Of Fire for the advert, Ed.

-We can all breathe easily.

-Well done, Johnny Cash's family.

Well done, Johnny Cash's family. Well done, panel. Well done, Claire. At the end of round three,

I can tell you that you've got every single question

absolutely right and your prize pot is the maximum £2,200.

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

If you manage to win the Final Debate,

any plans what you'd like to do with it?

I've been wanting to go to India and do a tour,

so if I got the money,

then it'd probably be the first thing that I book.

Look, Claire, there is only one question that stands between

you and that £2,200. It is the Final Debate.

Now, in our Final Debate,

you will get a question with six possible answers.

Only three are correct.

We need all three correct answers for you to win the money.

But you will not be on your own.

You will choose one of these fine intellectuals

to help you in your quest.

You and your panelist will have 45 seconds to debate the question.

So, Claire, who would you like to join you in the Final Debate?

Will you be chasing the Johnny Cash with Sally Lindsay?

Will it be from him to you, from you to him, with our Chuckle Brother Ed?

Or will it be V for Victory with Angela Rippon?

-Angela Rippon.

-Angela, join us, as we play our Final Debate.

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OK, Angela. Claire has chosen you for the Final Debate.

You are raring to go. Feeling confident?

There is such a responsibility on your shoulders

when you're standing here next to you for this final round

because you got £2,200 and I so want you to take that away with you,

-so that you can go to India.

-We all want you to do it, Claire.

Because it's the Final Debate, though, we will give you a choice.

Have a look at these two categories. Chat it through with Angela.

Tell us what you fancy from this pair.

I do know a bit about ballet, if that helps!

-I used to do ballet when I was little.

-Did you?

-When I was little.

-So I don't remember it.

-Right.

-I go to weddings.

-OK, Claire, you're going to go for...?

-Weddings.

You're going for weddings.

The maximum prize of £2,200 at stake. 45 seconds on the clock.

We really hope you can do this.

Here comes your Final Debate question on weddings.

No.

Your Final Debate starts now.

Well, emerald, I know, is... Is it...? No, diamond is 60.

Emerald, I think, comes after that, would be 70.

Gold is 50, so it can't be either of those.

It's got to be one of the ones that are left.

Bronze... Quite a base metal.

-Do we think bronze might be low on the list?

-Mm.

My gran used to have plates with the wedding years on.

-Can you remember?

-No.

-Well, let's try and work it out.

-20 seconds.

-Let's try and work it out.

Bronze, quite low.

-Coral, I think...

-I don't think it's steel.

-Steel.

I think it might be bronze, coral and ivory.

Bronze, coral and ivory.

-Yeah.

-All right.

-I think.

-Are they the lowest?

I think so. I don't think steel even comes into it.

Time up, Claire, I need three answers.

Ivory, coral and bronze.

Ivory, coral and bronze.

OK, Claire, best of luck.

You know we need all three answers to be correct for £2,200.

The first answer you gave us was ivory.

Is ivory one of the fewest number of years up there?

For £2,200.

Well played. You're up and ruinning. Ivory, 14 years married.

Then we have coral and bronze.

You were most confident on...?

Bronze.

OK, you were most confident on bronze.

Let's see if bronze is one of the fewest number of years

celebrated at a wedding anniversary.

To keep us on track for £2,200, is bronze a correct answer?

Well done! Well played!

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Bronze, eight years married.

Which leaves us with coral.

Now, Angela, you thought that coral was one of the higher ones.

But Claire, you believe it's one of the lower ones. You said coral.

If coral's a correct answer, you leave with the money, Claire.

If it's wrong, I'm afraid you do leave with nothing.

I do hope you're right and i'm wrong.

Best of luck. Here we go.

Is coral a correct answer, for £2,200?

It's the wrong answer, Claire.

I am so sorry.

Let's have a look at the correct answer.

-Steel.

-Oh, it's steel.

You're right, Angela. It was steel. Steel is 11 years.

I can tell you that coral is 35 years.

Gold, 50 years. Emerald, 55 years.

Claire, I am so sorry. You played the game so well.

We really thought you were going to leave with the full sweep today.

Give it up one more time for Claire. CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

-I'm so sorry.

-It's all right.

-That is it for Debatable.

There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel.

To Angela Rippon, to Sally Lindsay, and Ed Byrne.

I hope you've enjoyed watching.

We'll see you next time for more heated debates.

For now, it's goodbye from me.