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Sadly, since recording this week's episode of Edinburgh Nights, | 8:56:17 | 8:56:20 | |
which includes the actor Richard Wilson on sparkling form, | 8:56:20 | 8:56:23 | |
he's had to withdraw from performing at the festival due to ill health. | 8:56:23 | 8:56:26 | |
We wish him a full recovery. | 8:56:26 | 8:56:29 | |
Welcome to Edinburgh, | 8:56:29 | 8:56:30 | |
where the world's biggest festival of culture | 8:56:30 | 8:56:32 | |
is well underway, | 8:56:32 | 8:56:33 | |
and performers from all over the planet | 8:56:33 | 8:56:36 | |
are inhabiting every single nook and cranny in Scotland's capital. | 8:56:36 | 8:56:40 | |
Over the next three weeks, | 8:56:40 | 8:56:41 | |
we'll be bringing you the creme de la creme | 8:56:41 | 8:56:44 | |
of the talent in town. | 8:56:44 | 8:56:45 | |
Coming up, famous faces reboot classic comedy scripts. | 8:56:47 | 8:56:51 | |
Tony Award winner Cherry Jones takes the lead | 8:56:52 | 8:56:55 | |
in Tennessee Williams' heartbreaker The Glass Menagerie. | 8:56:55 | 8:56:59 | |
Ian Rankin joins me at a provocative exhibition | 8:56:59 | 8:57:01 | |
exploring the dark side of Scottish art. | 8:57:01 | 8:57:04 | |
And we bring you a sappy song from Hollywood star Alan Cumming. | 8:57:06 | 8:57:09 | |
# Tell me | 8:57:09 | 8:57:10 | |
# Why... # | 8:57:10 | 8:57:14 | |
The Edinburgh Fringe has helped kick-start the careers | 8:57:17 | 8:57:19 | |
of many household names. | 8:57:19 | 8:57:21 | |
Angus Deayton cut his comedy teeth here in 1979 | 8:57:21 | 8:57:24 | |
with the Oxford Revue, | 8:57:24 | 8:57:26 | |
and Richard Wilson has performed and directed at the Traverse | 8:57:26 | 8:57:29 | |
over a course of many years. | 8:57:29 | 8:57:31 | |
Now, believe it or not, both men are back in town. | 8:57:31 | 8:57:35 | |
Angus Deayton is revisiting his comedy breakthrough, Radio Active, | 8:57:35 | 8:57:38 | |
while Wilson is resurrecting a cantankerous character | 8:57:38 | 8:57:41 | |
from beyond the grave. | 8:57:41 | 8:57:43 | |
Wilson and Deayton co-starred in the classic sitcom | 8:57:45 | 8:57:48 | |
One Foot In The Grave, | 8:57:48 | 8:57:49 | |
and a single episode, The Trial, | 8:57:49 | 8:57:51 | |
forms the basis of Wilson's one-man Edinburgh show. | 8:57:51 | 8:57:54 | |
Well, I'll tell you exactly what the problem is, Mr Sturgeon! | 8:57:56 | 8:57:59 | |
I was out the back working in the garden when he arrived, | 8:57:59 | 8:58:02 | |
so I asked him if, for the time being, | 8:58:02 | 8:58:03 | |
he'd put it in the downstairs toilet for me. | 8:58:03 | 8:58:05 | |
And do you know what he's done? He's only planted it in the... | 8:58:05 | 8:58:08 | |
LAUGHTER | 8:58:08 | 8:58:10 | |
Why are you returning to Victor Meldrew? | 8:58:10 | 8:58:12 | |
I'm returning to Victor Meldrew, uh... | 8:58:12 | 8:58:15 | |
-because I need work. -Yes. | 8:58:15 | 8:58:18 | |
I want to carry on... | 8:58:18 | 8:58:19 | |
Sorry! You need work? | 8:58:19 | 8:58:22 | |
-I do! -Really? | 8:58:22 | 8:58:23 | |
He's the busiest person in show business. | 8:58:23 | 8:58:26 | |
I think I said somewhere, | 8:58:26 | 8:58:27 | |
"I hope I never see Victor Meldrew again." | 8:58:27 | 8:58:29 | |
But I've changed my mind. | 8:58:29 | 8:58:31 | |
And now do you love him again, or did you never not love him? | 8:58:31 | 8:58:33 | |
I never... I've always loved him. | 8:58:33 | 8:58:35 | |
The thing you really love most is being asked to say, | 8:58:35 | 8:58:37 | |
"I don't believe it", isn't it? | 8:58:37 | 8:58:39 | |
-By passers by and members of the public. -Yeah. | 8:58:39 | 8:58:42 | |
-How many times do you say it in The Trial? -Four times. | 8:58:42 | 8:58:45 | |
What in the name of bloody hell? | 8:58:48 | 8:58:52 | |
I do not believe it! | 8:58:53 | 8:58:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 8:58:56 | 8:58:58 | |
Why not choose an episode | 8:59:00 | 8:59:03 | |
that Angus is in? | 8:59:03 | 8:59:05 | |
Why choose The Trial? | 8:59:05 | 8:59:07 | |
Well, I chose The Trial because there was only one person. | 8:59:07 | 8:59:10 | |
-No thought for your friends! -Just saying. | 8:59:10 | 8:59:13 | |
-Look... -I'm here. I'm in Edinburgh. | 8:59:13 | 8:59:15 | |
I'd never done a one-person show before. | 8:59:15 | 8:59:17 | |
This just seemed so much easier. | 8:59:17 | 8:59:20 | |
-So next year? -Next year. | 8:59:20 | 8:59:22 | |
-But you've already sold out. Is that true? -This is true, I'm afraid. | 8:59:22 | 8:59:25 | |
So why are you publicising it? | 8:59:25 | 8:59:27 | |
I'm here to support you. | 8:59:27 | 8:59:29 | |
-Oh! -Thank you. | 8:59:29 | 8:59:30 | |
-I'm not quite sure why, but thank you. -And to meet Kirsty. | 8:59:30 | 8:59:33 | |
You're bringing back an old show, too. | 8:59:33 | 8:59:35 | |
Yes, it's a very similar idea, basically. | 8:59:35 | 8:59:37 | |
Both bringing back old shows! | 8:59:37 | 8:59:39 | |
Yes, an episode from a radio series | 8:59:39 | 8:59:40 | |
rather than an episode from a TV series, but otherwise... | 8:59:40 | 8:59:43 | |
Does that say something about our careers, do you think? | 8:59:43 | 8:59:45 | |
-Does it? -Erm... | 8:59:45 | 8:59:47 | |
That we look at projects and think, "What might be fun? Let's do that." | 8:59:47 | 8:59:51 | |
-Exactly. -Yeah. | 8:59:51 | 8:59:53 | |
# Meaningless songs | 8:59:53 | 8:59:56 | |
# In very high voices | 8:59:56 | 9:00:00 | |
# In a pair of tight | 9:00:00 | 9:00:03 | |
# Gold jeans... # | 9:00:03 | 9:00:06 | |
So, what was Radio Active? | 9:00:06 | 9:00:08 | |
Well, Radio Active was born here at the Edinburgh Festival | 9:00:08 | 9:00:11 | |
when we were still at college, when we were still at university, | 9:00:11 | 9:00:14 | |
and it was a show that was based in a local radio station, | 9:00:14 | 9:00:17 | |
so it was a parody, initially, of a radio show. | 9:00:17 | 9:00:22 | |
-Don Tipley, the programme so far, have you enjoyed it? -Yes, it's fun. | 9:00:22 | 9:00:24 | |
And the meal in the canteen beforehand, Sally Mason, | 9:00:24 | 9:00:27 | |
-was that a good idea? -Yes, it was lovely. | 9:00:27 | 9:00:29 | |
-Malcolm Grace, my wife, is she a nice woman? -Charming. | 9:00:29 | 9:00:31 | |
-Don Tipley, did you like my wife? -I thought she was very nice. | 9:00:31 | 9:00:34 | |
Yes, she was once described by my mother as a venomous slut. | 9:00:34 | 9:00:36 | |
So I thought, today, because you had your scripts in your hands, | 9:00:36 | 9:00:39 | |
it's because you didn't know it yet. | 9:00:39 | 9:00:41 | |
-Right! No. -No? | 9:00:41 | 9:00:42 | |
When you record a radio programme... | 9:00:42 | 9:00:44 | |
-Ah! -..Richard, you don't actually need to learn the lines... | 9:00:44 | 9:00:47 | |
-I see. I've got it now. -..because no-one's filming you. | 9:00:47 | 9:00:49 | |
-I thought it was because it was your first show. -No. | 9:00:49 | 9:00:52 | |
You must have been very confused for most of the show. | 9:00:52 | 9:00:55 | |
We've had a large number of letters concerning political bias | 9:00:55 | 9:00:58 | |
in our current-affairs output. | 9:00:58 | 9:01:00 | |
Now, to show how seriously we take these allegations, | 9:01:00 | 9:01:02 | |
here to answer them in the studio is our head of carpets. | 9:01:02 | 9:01:05 | |
Tell me, do you have any reason to think these allegations are true? | 9:01:05 | 9:01:08 | |
-No. -No? Splendid. | 9:01:08 | 9:01:09 | |
Well, moving on, then. | 9:01:09 | 9:01:11 | |
And Geoffrey Perkins and you wrote Radio Active. | 9:01:11 | 9:01:14 | |
This show is a kind homage to him. | 9:01:14 | 9:01:16 | |
In part, it is a tribute to Geoffrey, yeah, | 9:01:16 | 9:01:18 | |
because he did write at least 50% of the show. | 9:01:18 | 9:01:21 | |
And now before our next programme, | 9:01:21 | 9:01:23 | |
here's a traffic report. | 9:01:23 | 9:01:25 | |
Thank you, Anna. | 9:01:25 | 9:01:27 | |
There's a two-mile tailback on the flyover caused by an accident. | 9:01:27 | 9:01:30 | |
Pssh! Boom! Boof! | 9:01:30 | 9:01:32 | |
-All the other cars screeching to a halt. -HE SCREECHES | 9:01:32 | 9:01:35 | |
And people out running around, shouting, "Oh, my God, | 9:01:35 | 9:01:37 | |
"there's been an accident." | 9:01:37 | 9:01:39 | |
He had that Midas touch. | 9:01:39 | 9:01:41 | |
It's astonishing, the number of shows that he's responsible for... | 9:01:41 | 9:01:44 | |
-Yeah. -..creating over the years. | 9:01:44 | 9:01:46 | |
I mean, Spitting Image and Father Ted, Catherine Tate, Harry & Paul. | 9:01:46 | 9:01:50 | |
I mean, the list is endless. He's much missed. | 9:01:50 | 9:01:52 | |
Well, time fast running out. Don Tipley, how would you sum up | 9:01:52 | 9:01:55 | |
Radio Active's output this week in a word? | 9:01:55 | 9:01:57 | |
-Abysmal. -Abysmal. Sally Mason, do you think that's fair? | 9:01:57 | 9:01:59 | |
I think it's positively generous in the circumstances. | 9:01:59 | 9:02:02 | |
Positively generous. Malcolm Grace? | 9:02:02 | 9:02:03 | |
-That wasn't a question. -Wasn't it? -No. -Oh, dear. My mind is going... | 9:02:03 | 9:02:06 | |
Just going back to One Foot In The Grave, | 9:02:06 | 9:02:08 | |
looking back on the series, the writing was incredibly surreal. | 9:02:08 | 9:02:11 | |
-And very macabre as well. -Yeah. | 9:02:11 | 9:02:13 | |
I think there was a very dark side to David Renwick. | 9:02:13 | 9:02:15 | |
-Abdominal disorders. -LAUGHTER | 9:02:15 | 9:02:18 | |
Abdominal disorders, where are we? | 9:02:18 | 9:02:20 | |
My God. | 9:02:23 | 9:02:24 | |
Colon tumour! | 9:02:24 | 9:02:26 | |
Often, no symptoms in the early stages. | 9:02:27 | 9:02:30 | |
That's exactly what I've got. | 9:02:30 | 9:02:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 9:02:32 | 9:02:33 | |
That was what was so great about it. | 9:02:33 | 9:02:35 | |
I mean, it looked like a really kind of conventional sitcom, | 9:02:35 | 9:02:38 | |
with a sofa, an old couple - middle-aged couple. | 9:02:38 | 9:02:41 | |
Um... And, um... | 9:02:41 | 9:02:43 | |
Because it's not. Scratch the surface, | 9:02:43 | 9:02:45 | |
and it's quite sort of weird and mysterious a lot of the time, | 9:02:45 | 9:02:48 | |
and quite dark. | 9:02:48 | 9:02:49 | |
I think it was... | 9:02:49 | 9:02:51 | |
I can't remember, one of the BBC people said, | 9:02:51 | 9:02:53 | |
that David Renwick was the Beckett of sitcom. | 9:02:53 | 9:02:57 | |
-There you are. -What did he mean by that? | 9:02:59 | 9:03:02 | |
The silences. | 9:03:02 | 9:03:04 | |
Like this one. | 9:03:04 | 9:03:06 | |
LAUGHTER | 9:03:06 | 9:03:08 | |
Afternoon! | 9:03:15 | 9:03:17 | |
Were you very professional, or did you corpse a lot, | 9:03:18 | 9:03:21 | |
I mean, working together? | 9:03:21 | 9:03:22 | |
We had fun doing it but, actually, filming comedy, I hate to say, | 9:03:22 | 9:03:26 | |
is a horribly serious business. | 9:03:26 | 9:03:28 | |
Once you've actually read it for the first one or two times, | 9:03:28 | 9:03:31 | |
-you sort of... you've got the jokes... -Yeah. | 9:03:31 | 9:03:33 | |
..you've laughed at that, then recording it... | 9:03:33 | 9:03:36 | |
-The trick is to make it funny. -Yeah. | 9:03:36 | 9:03:37 | |
When did you become so close in real life? | 9:03:37 | 9:03:40 | |
-We support the same football team. -We... | 9:03:40 | 9:03:43 | |
SHE SNORES God... | 9:03:43 | 9:03:45 | |
-Men and football, my favourite! -Yes. | 9:03:45 | 9:03:48 | |
Some women...like football. | 9:03:49 | 9:03:51 | |
-Yes, you support the same football team? -That linked us. | 9:03:51 | 9:03:54 | |
-And we had a sort of similar sense of humour. -Yes. | 9:03:54 | 9:03:57 | |
And I would arrange summer holidays and Richard would often turn up. | 9:03:57 | 9:04:00 | |
-Freeloading? -Yeah... | 9:04:00 | 9:04:02 | |
No, no, no, no! No, no! | 9:04:02 | 9:04:04 | |
Angus used to organise these big holidays. | 9:04:04 | 9:04:07 | |
And Richard was one of the invitees. | 9:04:07 | 9:04:09 | |
Would you work together again? | 9:04:09 | 9:04:11 | |
-No. Sorry, I said that too quickly. -Look at that... | 9:04:11 | 9:04:14 | |
I'd have to think about it. | 9:04:14 | 9:04:16 | |
I mean, the money would have to be huge. | 9:04:16 | 9:04:17 | |
Yes, we'd work together again. | 9:04:17 | 9:04:19 | |
If we got the right Hollywood blockbuster, then probably, yes. | 9:04:19 | 9:04:22 | |
You would work together. | 9:04:22 | 9:04:24 | |
I must say, this is the longest interview I've ever had. | 9:04:24 | 9:04:27 | |
And it's just finishing! Thank you very much, indeed. | 9:04:27 | 9:04:29 | |
Now, there are thousands of shows on all over the city | 9:04:31 | 9:04:33 | |
and, obviously, we can't bring you every single one, | 9:04:33 | 9:04:36 | |
so here's our pick of the productions | 9:04:36 | 9:04:38 | |
that have been making waves this week. | 9:04:38 | 9:04:40 | |
The International Festival kicked off in spectacular style, | 9:04:40 | 9:04:45 | |
with 27,000 people attending Deep Time, | 9:04:45 | 9:04:49 | |
an epic outdoor event at Edinburgh Castle. | 9:04:49 | 9:04:51 | |
Music from Mogwai provided a soundtrack | 9:04:51 | 9:04:55 | |
to awesome animations, | 9:04:55 | 9:04:56 | |
which were projected on the castle walls, | 9:04:56 | 9:04:58 | |
charting 350 million years | 9:04:58 | 9:05:00 | |
of Edinburgh's history. | 9:05:00 | 9:05:02 | |
CHEERING | 9:05:05 | 9:05:07 | |
Two of Canada's most arresting art groups | 9:05:09 | 9:05:12 | |
joined forces in Monumental, | 9:05:12 | 9:05:14 | |
a dark, dystopian | 9:05:14 | 9:05:15 | |
and almost deafening performance | 9:05:15 | 9:05:17 | |
from dance company The Holy Body Tattoo, | 9:05:17 | 9:05:20 | |
and post-rock collective Godspeed You! Black Emperor. | 9:05:20 | 9:05:24 | |
At the Usher Hall, Barry Humphries transported his audience | 9:05:29 | 9:05:33 | |
to the hedonism of Germany's Weimar Republic, | 9:05:33 | 9:05:35 | |
with a subversive evening of jazz, tango and saucy sonatas, | 9:05:35 | 9:05:39 | |
performed with cabaret sensation Meow Meow | 9:05:39 | 9:05:43 | |
and the Australian Chamber Orchestra. | 9:05:43 | 9:05:45 | |
# Out of the ruins of Berlin. # | 9:05:45 | 9:05:47 | |
In a rather more modest venue, | 9:05:50 | 9:05:52 | |
a relay of performers, politicians and punters | 9:05:52 | 9:05:54 | |
have begun what could become the longest performance | 9:05:54 | 9:05:57 | |
in the history of the Edinburgh Fringe. | 9:05:57 | 9:06:00 | |
Their continuous reading of all 2.6 million words | 9:06:00 | 9:06:03 | |
of the Chilcot Report | 9:06:03 | 9:06:05 | |
will run for as long as it takes - in a garden shed. | 9:06:05 | 9:06:08 | |
"The report of the Iraq Inquiry, Volume One." | 9:06:09 | 9:06:13 | |
Comedian Seymour Mace, who was shortlisted | 9:06:13 | 9:06:16 | |
for the Edinburgh Comedy Awards at last year's Fringe, | 9:06:16 | 9:06:19 | |
is on fine form again. | 9:06:19 | 9:06:21 | |
Amusing and repulsing his audience in equal measure | 9:06:21 | 9:06:24 | |
with his latest creation, Mannequin Hands. | 9:06:24 | 9:06:26 | |
# Mannequin hands... # | 9:06:26 | 9:06:28 | |
LAUGHTER AND GROANING | 9:06:28 | 9:06:31 | |
And, as ever, a cast of world-class dance, circus and cabaret acts | 9:06:39 | 9:06:43 | |
are taking to the air and making a splash, | 9:06:43 | 9:06:45 | |
as the festival quite literally gets into full swing. | 9:06:45 | 9:06:49 | |
The Glass Menagerie was the play | 9:06:53 | 9:06:55 | |
that catapulted Tennessee Williams to fame. | 9:06:55 | 9:06:58 | |
Now the International Festival is hosting the European premiere | 9:06:58 | 9:07:02 | |
of the acclaimed Broadway production | 9:07:02 | 9:07:04 | |
directed by the man of the moment, John Tiffany. | 9:07:04 | 9:07:06 | |
It stars the Tony Award winning actress Cherry Jones, | 9:07:06 | 9:07:09 | |
who plays the fading Southern belle Amanda Wingfield. | 9:07:09 | 9:07:13 | |
And another thing, I am right at the end of my patience! | 9:07:13 | 9:07:16 | |
What do you think I'm at the end of, Mother? | 9:07:16 | 9:07:18 | |
Or aren't I supposed to have any patience to reach the end of? | 9:07:18 | 9:07:21 | |
Now, I know, I know it seems unimportant to you, | 9:07:21 | 9:07:24 | |
what I am doing and what I'm trying to do, | 9:07:24 | 9:07:26 | |
having the difference between them. You don't think...? | 9:07:26 | 9:07:29 | |
I think that you are doing things | 9:07:29 | 9:07:31 | |
that you are ashamed of. | 9:07:31 | 9:07:33 | |
The play focuses on mother Amanda's dreams | 9:07:36 | 9:07:38 | |
of her son, Tom, finding the perfect gentleman caller | 9:07:38 | 9:07:41 | |
for her shy and fragile daughter, Laura. | 9:07:41 | 9:07:44 | |
This is the play that Tennessee Williams | 9:07:45 | 9:07:48 | |
really comes to prominence with, | 9:07:48 | 9:07:49 | |
and it's his only autobiographical play. | 9:07:49 | 9:07:52 | |
Well, for him, it's an unsuccessful attempt | 9:07:52 | 9:07:54 | |
to exorcise a guilt that he feels about what happened. | 9:07:54 | 9:07:57 | |
He didn't see his sister Rose for four years | 9:07:57 | 9:08:00 | |
as he was embarking on, you know, his career as a playwright. | 9:08:00 | 9:08:04 | |
And during that time, | 9:08:04 | 9:08:05 | |
Rose spiralled down | 9:08:05 | 9:08:07 | |
and she had a lobotomy. | 9:08:07 | 9:08:09 | |
And when he came back, she was kind of reduced, | 9:08:10 | 9:08:13 | |
and it was all about his attempt | 9:08:13 | 9:08:16 | |
to try and deal with the fact | 9:08:16 | 9:08:18 | |
that he thought he had absolutely abandoned his sister, and his mum. | 9:08:18 | 9:08:21 | |
It's a play made up of his memories. | 9:08:21 | 9:08:23 | |
Trying to write, which he did. | 9:08:23 | 9:08:26 | |
Drinking a lot, which he did. | 9:08:26 | 9:08:27 | |
Pretending he was going to the movies, | 9:08:27 | 9:08:30 | |
and we know what he did. | 9:08:30 | 9:08:32 | |
And that often hasn't got any easier between gay men and their mothers. | 9:08:32 | 9:08:36 | |
I don't believe you go every night to the movies. | 9:08:36 | 9:08:40 | |
Nobody goes to the movies night after night! | 9:08:40 | 9:08:43 | |
Nobody in their right mind | 9:08:43 | 9:08:45 | |
goes to the movies as often as you pretend to. | 9:08:45 | 9:08:48 | |
People don't go to the movies at nearly midnight. | 9:08:48 | 9:08:51 | |
Movies don't let out at 2am. | 9:08:51 | 9:08:53 | |
Come in stumbling, muttering to yourself like a maniac. | 9:08:53 | 9:08:57 | |
You get three hours' sleep and then go to work. | 9:08:57 | 9:09:00 | |
How did you two get together over The Glass menagerie, then? | 9:09:00 | 9:09:03 | |
We were talking about Cherry's trip, | 9:09:03 | 9:09:05 | |
recent trip back to Paris, Tennessee. | 9:09:05 | 9:09:07 | |
This was five years ago, | 9:09:07 | 9:09:09 | |
and as I started talking about my mother's letters, | 9:09:09 | 9:09:11 | |
I guess my accent got deeper and deeper, | 9:09:11 | 9:09:15 | |
further down south. | 9:09:15 | 9:09:17 | |
And just out of nowhere, John said, | 9:09:17 | 9:09:20 | |
"We're going to work together | 9:09:20 | 9:09:22 | |
"and were going to do The Glass Menagerie." | 9:09:22 | 9:09:24 | |
Because it is my favourite play, | 9:09:24 | 9:09:26 | |
and I never thought I'd get to direct it, | 9:09:26 | 9:09:28 | |
because I went into new plays, | 9:09:28 | 9:09:29 | |
and it wasn't until I heard your voice, and I thought, | 9:09:29 | 9:09:32 | |
"Am I going to get the opportunity to direct The Glass Menagerie | 9:09:32 | 9:09:36 | |
"with real American actors, | 9:09:36 | 9:09:38 | |
"and an Amanda who's actually from Tennessee?" | 9:09:38 | 9:09:41 | |
And that's why I pursued you like a hound. | 9:09:41 | 9:09:44 | |
Like a Yorkshire terrier. | 9:09:44 | 9:09:46 | |
Because I thought, "This is my one chance." | 9:09:47 | 9:09:50 | |
Is it because you're southern... | 9:09:50 | 9:09:52 | |
that, actually, your portrayal of what often is a character | 9:09:52 | 9:09:56 | |
who is derided as being nasty and overblown is very sympathetic? | 9:09:56 | 9:10:00 | |
I am so glad people feel that way, | 9:10:00 | 9:10:04 | |
particularly because I so admire her. | 9:10:04 | 9:10:07 | |
Everything she has done | 9:10:07 | 9:10:09 | |
her entire adult life | 9:10:09 | 9:10:12 | |
has been for the care of those children. | 9:10:12 | 9:10:14 | |
When sweet Tom is going on and on about the shoe factory, | 9:10:14 | 9:10:18 | |
if he had one iota of a notion | 9:10:18 | 9:10:23 | |
of what she has had to do and sacrifice | 9:10:23 | 9:10:26 | |
just to feed them and keep them warm. | 9:10:26 | 9:10:30 | |
You know, but she never lords that over them. | 9:10:30 | 9:10:33 | |
No matter how much of a harridan some people think she is, | 9:10:33 | 9:10:37 | |
she never says, "Do you know what I've done for you? | 9:10:37 | 9:10:39 | |
-"Do you know how much I've sacrificed?" -Sacrificed. | 9:10:39 | 9:10:41 | |
How dare you jeopardise your job? | 9:10:41 | 9:10:45 | |
Jeopardise our security? | 9:10:45 | 9:10:47 | |
How do you think we would manage without that job? | 9:10:47 | 9:10:50 | |
Look, Mother, do you think I'm crazy about the warehouse? | 9:10:50 | 9:10:53 | |
Do you think I am in love with the Continental Shoemakers? | 9:10:53 | 9:10:56 | |
You think I want to spend 55 years of my life | 9:10:56 | 9:10:59 | |
down there in that celotex interior, with fluorescent tubes? | 9:10:59 | 9:11:03 | |
Honest to God, I'd rather somebody picked up a crowbar | 9:11:03 | 9:11:06 | |
and battered out my brains than go back mornings! | 9:11:06 | 9:11:09 | |
But I go. Sure, every time you come in in the morning | 9:11:09 | 9:11:11 | |
yelling that bloody, "Rise and shine, rise and shine!" | 9:11:11 | 9:11:15 | |
I think to myself how lucky dead people are, but I go. | 9:11:15 | 9:11:18 | |
The play itself, when, you know, he wrote about the staging, | 9:11:18 | 9:11:23 | |
it's very minimal, | 9:11:23 | 9:11:25 | |
and that allowed you to explore what you like to do on a stage. | 9:11:25 | 9:11:29 | |
I've discovered that the less you put to give an audience, | 9:11:29 | 9:11:32 | |
the more they see. | 9:11:32 | 9:11:33 | |
So I took everything away from you, didn't I? | 9:11:33 | 9:11:37 | |
Every single prop I could. | 9:11:37 | 9:11:38 | |
I mean, actually, Tennessee Williams took it all away from us, | 9:11:38 | 9:11:41 | |
I just went further. He writes with this thing called plastic theatre, | 9:11:41 | 9:11:44 | |
is the introduction to The Glass Menagerie, where he says, you know, | 9:11:44 | 9:11:47 | |
"The ice cubes in the glass are the death of American theatre." | 9:11:47 | 9:11:51 | |
Because what he wanted to do | 9:11:51 | 9:11:52 | |
was conjure Amanda and Laura out of thin air, | 9:11:52 | 9:11:55 | |
and so he did it with gauzes and lighting, | 9:11:55 | 9:11:57 | |
so he was able to just make them appear. | 9:11:57 | 9:11:59 | |
And, obviously, | 9:11:59 | 9:12:00 | |
that's quite familiar now to theatre audiences as a technique. | 9:12:00 | 9:12:04 | |
So I said, "Well, how do we conjure Amanda and Laura out of the set?" | 9:12:04 | 9:12:08 | |
"Oh, well, I know how to do this." | 9:12:08 | 9:12:10 | |
John said the first day of rehearsal, he said, | 9:12:10 | 9:12:13 | |
"All I know is the women come out of the furniture." | 9:12:13 | 9:12:16 | |
He said, "That's all I know, that's all I know." | 9:12:16 | 9:12:18 | |
And I thought, "Well, that's a good place to start!" | 9:12:18 | 9:12:21 | |
Here you are, on stage in Edinburgh, | 9:12:25 | 9:12:28 | |
you know, getting great reviews, | 9:12:28 | 9:12:30 | |
but a lot of people know you from... | 9:12:30 | 9:12:34 | |
'the first woman President of the United States.' | 9:12:34 | 9:12:36 | |
-'Oh, the power of television!' -'Allison Taylor. Exactly.' | 9:12:36 | 9:12:39 | |
Putting American lives at risk | 9:12:39 | 9:12:41 | |
is the hardest decision | 9:12:41 | 9:12:42 | |
I've ever had to make. | 9:12:42 | 9:12:44 | |
But it is one that has to be made. | 9:12:44 | 9:12:46 | |
It was 2007, the primaries were going on, | 9:12:47 | 9:12:50 | |
and they were so sure that Hillary was going to win the primary | 9:12:50 | 9:12:54 | |
that they felt like they would be behind the times | 9:12:54 | 9:12:59 | |
if they did not have a woman president, | 9:12:59 | 9:13:00 | |
so I actually have Hillary to thank for getting that job. | 9:13:00 | 9:13:05 | |
What do you think, though, is happening in America just now? | 9:13:05 | 9:13:08 | |
The terrible dark shadow that's been over our country... | 9:13:08 | 9:13:12 | |
for ever... | 9:13:12 | 9:13:13 | |
has been given a wretched voice | 9:13:13 | 9:13:18 | |
that suddenly gives permission | 9:13:18 | 9:13:21 | |
for all that ignorance to bubble forth. | 9:13:21 | 9:13:25 | |
And I have great faith | 9:13:25 | 9:13:29 | |
in the country that, | 9:13:29 | 9:13:31 | |
despite these dire poll numbers right now | 9:13:31 | 9:13:36 | |
that show them ridiculously close, | 9:13:36 | 9:13:40 | |
that he will get his bottom whooped. | 9:13:40 | 9:13:46 | |
And he'll go back into his little Trump hole, | 9:13:46 | 9:13:49 | |
never to be seen or heard from again. | 9:13:49 | 9:13:52 | |
Of course, John, you're also the co-creator of the smash-hit show | 9:13:53 | 9:13:56 | |
Harry Potter And The Cursed Child, | 9:13:56 | 9:13:58 | |
which is currently running in the West End. | 9:13:58 | 9:14:00 | |
So, what a trajectory you've had, from studying Drama and Classics | 9:14:00 | 9:14:03 | |
at Glasgow University, to the Traverse, to Paines Plough, | 9:14:03 | 9:14:06 | |
to the National Theatre of Scotland, Broadway, musicals, | 9:14:06 | 9:14:08 | |
how many awards! | 9:14:08 | 9:14:11 | |
Years of Black Watch. | 9:14:11 | 9:14:13 | |
And what's brought you back to Scotland now? | 9:14:13 | 9:14:17 | |
Well, I mean, Scotland is my kind of home. | 9:14:17 | 9:14:20 | |
I suppose my heart's in Glasgow, but it all began in Edinburgh. | 9:14:20 | 9:14:24 | |
And when Fergus Linehan, | 9:14:24 | 9:14:26 | |
the director of the EIF, | 9:14:26 | 9:14:28 | |
phoned me up last year and said, | 9:14:28 | 9:14:30 | |
"Would you bring your production of Glass Menagerie | 9:14:30 | 9:14:33 | |
"to the Festival?" | 9:14:33 | 9:14:34 | |
my heart did so many somersaults. | 9:14:34 | 9:14:36 | |
Me and Tennessee had a bourbon that night. | 9:14:36 | 9:14:39 | |
And I said, "Are we doing it?" He went, "Mm-hmm." | 9:14:39 | 9:14:41 | |
Each summer, the Edinburgh Art Festival puts on | 9:14:44 | 9:14:46 | |
an eclectic mix of exhibitions. | 9:14:46 | 9:14:48 | |
This year, there's everything from Impressionist masterpieces | 9:14:48 | 9:14:51 | |
at the National Gallery of Scotland, | 9:14:51 | 9:14:52 | |
to site-specific installations | 9:14:52 | 9:14:54 | |
in some very unexpected spaces. | 9:14:54 | 9:14:57 | |
The crime writer Ian Rankin | 9:14:57 | 9:14:59 | |
joined me to inspect a show | 9:14:59 | 9:15:00 | |
which puts a dark spin on the Scottish Enlightenment. | 9:15:00 | 9:15:03 | |
But first, two new commissions | 9:15:03 | 9:15:06 | |
which commemorate the centenary of World War I. | 9:15:06 | 9:15:09 | |
Until recently, the MV Fingal, | 9:15:14 | 9:15:17 | |
a former Northern Lighthouse board ship, | 9:15:17 | 9:15:19 | |
was just a leaden lump of metal. | 9:15:19 | 9:15:21 | |
But now it's been transformed into a modern-day interpretation | 9:15:24 | 9:15:29 | |
of a World War I dazzle ship, | 9:15:29 | 9:15:30 | |
by the Turner Prize nominated artist Ciara Phillips. | 9:15:30 | 9:15:34 | |
Dazzle ships were developed by the British Navy | 9:15:37 | 9:15:40 | |
as a way of bewildering the Germans | 9:15:40 | 9:15:42 | |
with contrasting patterns designed to make ships hard to target. | 9:15:42 | 9:15:45 | |
The designs were devised by a team of women | 9:15:47 | 9:15:49 | |
under the watchful eye of maritime artist Norman Wilkinson. | 9:15:49 | 9:15:54 | |
Ciara Phillips' ship is called Every Woman, | 9:15:57 | 9:15:59 | |
and its painting was also largely carried out by female artists. | 9:15:59 | 9:16:04 | |
I worked as a scenic artist, | 9:16:04 | 9:16:06 | |
and a lot of scenic artists are women, | 9:16:06 | 9:16:09 | |
so it was just natural | 9:16:09 | 9:16:11 | |
that the team developed as all women. | 9:16:11 | 9:16:15 | |
The cat is basically a floating scaffold tower. | 9:16:15 | 9:16:19 | |
We used the cat all the way through. | 9:16:19 | 9:16:21 | |
We had poles, four-inch rollers on a pole - | 9:16:21 | 9:16:24 | |
that was how the ship was painted. | 9:16:24 | 9:16:27 | |
There was something really intimate about it, | 9:16:27 | 9:16:29 | |
this enormous sort of cliff of a ship | 9:16:29 | 9:16:33 | |
towering up against you like this. | 9:16:33 | 9:16:35 | |
And then you're there with a roller, | 9:16:35 | 9:16:37 | |
and there's something very intimate. | 9:16:37 | 9:16:39 | |
It was amazing to have this experience. | 9:16:39 | 9:16:42 | |
I feel very moved coming back, seeing it. | 9:16:42 | 9:16:44 | |
World War I was the first truly global conflict | 9:16:47 | 9:16:50 | |
involving hundreds of thousands of soldiers | 9:16:50 | 9:16:53 | |
from across the British Empire. | 9:16:53 | 9:16:54 | |
But the contribution of colonial troops | 9:16:56 | 9:16:58 | |
has often been overlooked. | 9:16:58 | 9:17:00 | |
Pakistani artist Bani Abidi's sound installation | 9:17:03 | 9:17:07 | |
in the Old Royal High School | 9:17:07 | 9:17:09 | |
gives a voice to the Indian soldiers who fought in the war. | 9:17:09 | 9:17:13 | |
The title is A Memorial To Lost Words, | 9:17:13 | 9:17:16 | |
because I'm looking in particular | 9:17:16 | 9:17:18 | |
at letters that were written | 9:17:18 | 9:17:20 | |
by the Indian soldiers to their families, | 9:17:20 | 9:17:22 | |
and were censored and never made it back home. | 9:17:22 | 9:17:24 | |
And songs that were sung by women in villages in India, | 9:17:24 | 9:17:28 | |
that were unsung after the war. | 9:17:28 | 9:17:32 | |
So, um... | 9:17:32 | 9:17:35 | |
Yeah, so it's a dialogue of two songs, | 9:17:35 | 9:17:38 | |
three women's voices and a single male voice. | 9:17:38 | 9:17:40 | |
I was really interested in the emotions that were being censored, | 9:17:43 | 9:17:46 | |
which could not be shared, | 9:17:46 | 9:17:47 | |
because they were telling people to not come to this war. | 9:17:47 | 9:17:50 | |
So you have the male voice, | 9:17:56 | 9:17:57 | |
and then you have women's voices | 9:17:57 | 9:17:59 | |
who are actually singing a folk song from that period, | 9:17:59 | 9:18:02 | |
which is telling the menfolk to come back home, | 9:18:02 | 9:18:05 | |
and what it is to have lost them. | 9:18:05 | 9:18:07 | |
So they are the very sort of lost voices | 9:18:07 | 9:18:09 | |
of what happens to the families and women who were left behind, | 9:18:09 | 9:18:12 | |
so it's... In multiple ways, it's absolutely unheard-of songs, | 9:18:12 | 9:18:16 | |
and the songs of dissent. | 9:18:16 | 9:18:18 | |
The aftermath of the Second World War | 9:18:26 | 9:18:28 | |
is the starting point for the Dovecot Gallery's exhibition | 9:18:28 | 9:18:32 | |
The Scottish Endarkenment. | 9:18:32 | 9:18:34 | |
It suggests Scottish art | 9:18:35 | 9:18:37 | |
took a darkward turn post-1945. | 9:18:37 | 9:18:40 | |
The works on display deal with themes | 9:18:42 | 9:18:44 | |
such as psychological conflict, | 9:18:44 | 9:18:45 | |
sexual prejudice and social tension. | 9:18:45 | 9:18:47 | |
So, who better to explore this survey of the Scottish psyche with | 9:18:49 | 9:18:53 | |
than crime writer and art collector Ian Rankin. | 9:18:53 | 9:18:57 | |
So what do you think of the idea | 9:18:57 | 9:18:58 | |
of actually framing an art exhibition | 9:18:58 | 9:19:00 | |
around the opposite of enlightenment? | 9:19:00 | 9:19:02 | |
Well, usually, you think of the writers. | 9:19:02 | 9:19:04 | |
You think of people dealing with the darker side of human nature, | 9:19:04 | 9:19:07 | |
you tend to think of the writers rather than the painters. | 9:19:07 | 9:19:09 | |
So it's really interesting to see if this exhibition manages | 9:19:09 | 9:19:12 | |
to bring across that notion that artists as well as writers | 9:19:12 | 9:19:15 | |
have always had an interest in the darker side of human existence. | 9:19:15 | 9:19:19 | |
So, when we start to look around here, | 9:19:19 | 9:19:22 | |
then, looking straight at | 9:19:22 | 9:19:24 | |
this incredibly arresting canvas, | 9:19:24 | 9:19:26 | |
this was an artist's response | 9:19:26 | 9:19:28 | |
to being in a concentration camp | 9:19:28 | 9:19:31 | |
and thinking that she would never be able to paint anything. | 9:19:31 | 9:19:34 | |
Yeah, and I think she's done a terrific job. | 9:19:34 | 9:19:36 | |
I mean, I've visited Auschwitz only once. | 9:19:36 | 9:19:38 | |
I know this isn't Auschwitz, but when you go there, | 9:19:38 | 9:19:40 | |
the scale is almost unbelievable. | 9:19:40 | 9:19:42 | |
You really can't take it in. | 9:19:42 | 9:19:44 | |
Until you go into the museum and you see the glass cases | 9:19:44 | 9:19:47 | |
full of suitcases, full of shoes, full of spectacles, full of hair. | 9:19:47 | 9:19:51 | |
And then it humanises it, | 9:19:51 | 9:19:52 | |
because you can focus on one shoe or one pair of shoes, | 9:19:52 | 9:19:55 | |
and you go, "That was a human, that was a person." | 9:19:55 | 9:19:57 | |
What really strikes me about this is that they're all women's shoes. | 9:19:57 | 9:20:01 | |
Look at that beautiful orange shoe down there, | 9:20:01 | 9:20:03 | |
the pink shoe, the lilac shoe. | 9:20:03 | 9:20:05 | |
It reminds me a little bit of Schindler's List, | 9:20:05 | 9:20:07 | |
where there's suddenly a little burst of red | 9:20:07 | 9:20:09 | |
in this black-and-white movie, | 9:20:09 | 9:20:10 | |
because when you think of the death camps, | 9:20:10 | 9:20:12 | |
you often think of them in kind of sepia tones, | 9:20:12 | 9:20:14 | |
and suddenly to get a little sharp reminder of the colourfulness | 9:20:14 | 9:20:18 | |
of human activity and human life | 9:20:18 | 9:20:21 | |
makes it the more powerful, I think. | 9:20:21 | 9:20:23 | |
I think your eye is taken completely by the Bellany, | 9:20:25 | 9:20:28 | |
don't you think? | 9:20:28 | 9:20:29 | |
Yeah. I mean, I love Bellany, anyway. | 9:20:29 | 9:20:31 | |
I love his use of colour and his composition. | 9:20:31 | 9:20:34 | |
John Bellany's Ettrick Shepherd painting | 9:20:34 | 9:20:36 | |
was directly inspired | 9:20:36 | 9:20:38 | |
by Scots author James Hogg's | 9:20:38 | 9:20:39 | |
Confessions Of A Justified Sinner. | 9:20:39 | 9:20:42 | |
To actually take on a literary author, | 9:20:42 | 9:20:44 | |
-but it's actually John Bellany's face, isn't it? -It is. | 9:20:44 | 9:20:47 | |
-It's John Bellany's face! -It certainly is John Bellany's face. | 9:20:47 | 9:20:50 | |
But the sheep are amazing. They look actually quite bloodied. | 9:20:50 | 9:20:53 | |
And then you've got this quiet corner of the exhibition, | 9:20:55 | 9:20:58 | |
and then you've got an Alison Watt, and you think, | 9:20:58 | 9:21:01 | |
well, I can properly stand here and we can actually relax... | 9:21:01 | 9:21:03 | |
look at this, and not worry about | 9:21:03 | 9:21:07 | |
what it actually is. | 9:21:07 | 9:21:08 | |
Yeah, but the reason it's in here is, I mean, | 9:21:08 | 9:21:10 | |
for two reasons, I guess. | 9:21:10 | 9:21:12 | |
One is light and shade. | 9:21:12 | 9:21:13 | |
There's a lot of light and darkness in that painting. | 9:21:13 | 9:21:15 | |
There's a lot of blackness in Alison's paintings. | 9:21:15 | 9:21:17 | |
It could be a shroud. It could be a shroud. | 9:21:17 | 9:21:19 | |
And so there's also that possibility. | 9:21:19 | 9:21:21 | |
But with Alison Watt, you can, you know, I mean, | 9:21:21 | 9:21:23 | |
-some people think her paintings are very erotic. -Yeah. | 9:21:23 | 9:21:25 | |
-I don't know if you find that. -I do sometimes. | 9:21:25 | 9:21:28 | |
I think, is that an arm with a breast underneath? | 9:21:28 | 9:21:31 | |
It could be a snowy crevice going into a cave. | 9:21:31 | 9:21:34 | |
So, do you think the idea of | 9:21:34 | 9:21:36 | |
kind of putting an exhibition together on endarkenment works? | 9:21:36 | 9:21:39 | |
It's not like putting an exhibition together | 9:21:39 | 9:21:41 | |
on Surrealism or on Impressionism. | 9:21:41 | 9:21:43 | |
It's a kind of really deep philosophical idea, endarkenment. | 9:21:43 | 9:21:46 | |
Well, it is, it's also a very loose idea, | 9:21:46 | 9:21:48 | |
and you could look around here and say, | 9:21:48 | 9:21:50 | |
"I don't see how that fits, | 9:21:50 | 9:21:51 | |
"quite fits in, or how that artist fits in." | 9:21:51 | 9:21:53 | |
But it is a chance to see some fantastic artists | 9:21:53 | 9:21:55 | |
at the top of their game, from the 20th and the 21st century. | 9:21:55 | 9:21:58 | |
So take that on board first, | 9:21:58 | 9:22:00 | |
see some amazing art | 9:22:00 | 9:22:01 | |
and think about some of the themes, | 9:22:01 | 9:22:03 | |
because every artist approaches it in a very different way. | 9:22:03 | 9:22:05 | |
That's just about all for this show. | 9:22:10 | 9:22:12 | |
I'll be back next Saturday, | 9:22:12 | 9:22:14 | |
when I'll be talking to Man Booker prize-winner James Kelman | 9:22:14 | 9:22:17 | |
about his new novel. | 9:22:17 | 9:22:18 | |
Sigur Ros sits alongside Schubert | 9:22:18 | 9:22:21 | |
as the International Festival takes a new musical direction, | 9:22:21 | 9:22:24 | |
and we'll be feeling the love which is all around town this year. | 9:22:24 | 9:22:28 | |
But tonight, we play you out with Hollywood star Alan Cumming, | 9:22:28 | 9:22:31 | |
who's back on home turf | 9:22:31 | 9:22:33 | |
to sing a selection of seductive and sappy songs at The Hub, | 9:22:33 | 9:22:37 | |
every night until 27th August. | 9:22:37 | 9:22:39 | |
Goodnight. | 9:22:39 | 9:22:41 | |
# Tell me | 9:22:41 | 9:22:42 | |
# Why | 9:22:42 | 9:22:47 | |
# Tell me | 9:22:49 | 9:22:51 | |
# Why | 9:22:51 | 9:22:55 | |
# I may be mad I may be blind | 9:22:59 | 9:23:01 | |
# I may be viciously unkind | 9:23:01 | 9:23:04 | |
# But I can still read what you're thinking | 9:23:04 | 9:23:10 | |
# Oooh | 9:23:10 | 9:23:12 | |
# And I've heard it said too many times | 9:23:15 | 9:23:18 | |
# That you would be better off Besides | 9:23:18 | 9:23:20 | |
# Why can't you see this boat is sinking | 9:23:20 | 9:23:24 | |
# This boat is sinking | 9:23:26 | 9:23:27 | |
# Let's go down to the water's edge | 9:23:32 | 9:23:35 | |
# And we can cast away those doubts | 9:23:35 | 9:23:40 | |
# Some things are better left unsaid | 9:23:40 | 9:23:43 | |
# But they still turn me inside out | 9:23:43 | 9:23:46 | |
# Turn me inside out | 9:23:48 | 9:23:51 | |
# Turn me inside out | 9:23:52 | 9:23:55 | |
# Tell me | 9:23:55 | 9:23:57 | |
# Why | 9:23:57 | 9:24:01 | |
# Tell me | 9:24:04 | 9:24:05 | |
# Why | 9:24:05 | 9:24:10 | |
# This is the book I've never read | 9:24:13 | 9:24:15 | |
# These are the words I've never said | 9:24:15 | 9:24:17 | |
# This is the path I'll never tread | 9:24:17 | 9:24:19 | |
# These are the dreams I'll dream instead | 9:24:19 | 9:24:21 | |
# This is the joy that's seldom spread | 9:24:21 | 9:24:23 | |
# These are the tears The tears we shed | 9:24:23 | 9:24:25 | |
# This is the fear This is the dread | 9:24:25 | 9:24:27 | |
# These are the contents of my head | 9:24:27 | 9:24:29 | |
# And these are the years that we have spent | 9:24:29 | 9:24:31 | |
# And this is what they represent | 9:24:31 | 9:24:33 | |
# Do you know how I feel? | 9:24:33 | 9:24:35 | |
# Cos I don't think you know how I feel | 9:24:35 | 9:24:37 | |
# This is the book I've never read | 9:24:37 | 9:24:39 | |
# These are the words I've never said | 9:24:39 | 9:24:41 | |
# This is the path I'll never tread | 9:24:41 | 9:24:43 | |
# These are the dreams I'll dream instead | 9:24:43 | 9:24:45 | |
# This is the joy that's seldom spread | 9:24:45 | 9:24:48 | |
# These are the tears The tears we shed | 9:24:48 | 9:24:49 | |
# This is the fear This is the dread | 9:24:49 | 9:24:51 | |
# These are the contents of my head. # | 9:24:51 | 9:24:56 |