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This programme contains some strong language | 9:12:37 | 9:12:41 | |
Welcome back to Scotland's capital, | 9:12:41 | 9:12:42 | |
where the world's biggest arts festival | 9:12:42 | 9:12:45 | |
may be drawing to a close, | 9:12:45 | 9:12:46 | |
but the city is still partying. | 9:12:46 | 9:12:49 | |
Brexit means... | 9:12:49 | 9:12:51 | |
Coming up... | 9:12:51 | 9:12:52 | |
comedians respond to Brexit, British voters and Boris... | 9:12:52 | 9:12:56 | |
Have a bendy banana. | 9:12:56 | 9:12:57 | |
..ventriloquist Nina Conti on puppets, profound and profane... | 9:12:57 | 9:13:01 | |
SCREAMING | 9:13:01 | 9:13:03 | |
..refugees tell their own powerful stories of migration... | 9:13:03 | 9:13:07 | |
..plus a special performance from The Lemon Bucket Orkestra, | 9:13:09 | 9:13:12 | |
whose Guerrilla Folk Opera has had rave reviews. | 9:13:12 | 9:13:16 | |
The repercussions of the vote to leave the EU | 9:13:20 | 9:13:22 | |
are reverberating around the city. | 9:13:22 | 9:13:24 | |
Spare a thought, then, for some of the Fringe performers who, | 9:13:24 | 9:13:27 | |
in the light of the referendum result, | 9:13:27 | 9:13:29 | |
have had to rewrite their material rapidly. | 9:13:29 | 9:13:32 | |
The political upheaval of the past few weeks has hardly gone unnoticed | 9:13:37 | 9:13:40 | |
by the hundreds of comedians performing here in Edinburgh... | 9:13:40 | 9:13:44 | |
..and one big beast from the Brexit campaign | 9:13:47 | 9:13:49 | |
has attracted particularly close attention. | 9:13:49 | 9:13:53 | |
It's a new world, but I do believe, and I have done, felt strongly | 9:13:53 | 9:13:57 | |
ever since at least March that... | 9:13:57 | 9:13:59 | |
we're better off inside the EU. | 9:13:59 | 9:14:02 | |
I mean, sorry... out, out, outside the EU. Sorry. | 9:14:02 | 9:14:05 | |
You look particularly despondent, sir. | 9:14:05 | 9:14:07 | |
-Have a bendy banana. -Thank you. | 9:14:07 | 9:14:09 | |
With the result announced just six weeks before the start of | 9:14:10 | 9:14:14 | |
the Fringe, the referendum has very quickly taken centre stage. | 9:14:14 | 9:14:17 | |
Brexit means Brexit. | 9:14:19 | 9:14:21 | |
And Brexit means fuck all, | 9:14:21 | 9:14:23 | |
cos Brexit is a made-up word. | 9:14:23 | 9:14:26 | |
Do you think the referendum | 9:14:26 | 9:14:28 | |
-kind of galvanised things for comics this year? -Yes, I do, yeah. | 9:14:28 | 9:14:30 | |
I mean, it's the same as any big event, whether it's an election | 9:14:30 | 9:14:33 | |
or a referendum or, you know, a World Cup or anything like that. | 9:14:33 | 9:14:36 | |
Big, major events attract ideas and they inspire people. | 9:14:36 | 9:14:40 | |
It encourages people in the arts, | 9:14:40 | 9:14:42 | |
in music and in comedy to talk about the things that define the eras. | 9:14:42 | 9:14:45 | |
So what was it like for you when the vote became clear? | 9:14:45 | 9:14:49 | |
For a while there was a period where I felt quite emotional | 9:14:49 | 9:14:53 | |
-and then because of my line of work I... -You went, "Wham, bam!" | 9:14:53 | 9:14:57 | |
I felt very excited, yeah. I said, "Well, this is superb." | 9:14:57 | 9:15:00 | |
Because I've been doing shows for years trying to convince people | 9:15:00 | 9:15:03 | |
that politics is fascinating and I think it's fair to say most | 9:15:03 | 9:15:05 | |
people take a bit of convincing. This referendum has proved it. | 9:15:05 | 9:15:09 | |
Tattoo - probably voted Leave. | 9:15:09 | 9:15:11 | |
Baguette - probably voted Remain. | 9:15:12 | 9:15:15 | |
Tattoo and a baguette - pervert. | 9:15:18 | 9:15:20 | |
When I woke up and saw the result, I thought, "OK, this has happened." | 9:15:21 | 9:15:25 | |
At first I thought about the implications for our country, | 9:15:25 | 9:15:27 | |
-obviously. -Obviously. | 9:15:27 | 9:15:29 | |
But then about an hour later I thought, | 9:15:29 | 9:15:31 | |
"Wow, I've got 25 minutes | 9:15:31 | 9:15:32 | |
"of absolutely irrelevant stand-up comedy." | 9:15:32 | 9:15:35 | |
The second half of the show wasn't going to be like, | 9:15:35 | 9:15:38 | |
"So we've remained in the European Union," | 9:15:38 | 9:15:40 | |
but I wanted to do a show about sort of economics and the kind of | 9:15:40 | 9:15:44 | |
-changing nature of capitalism. You know, the fun stuff. -Yeah. | 9:15:44 | 9:15:47 | |
I wanted to do a show about that but it just suddenly seemed | 9:15:47 | 9:15:50 | |
redundant to be talking about anything in politics | 9:15:50 | 9:15:53 | |
other than the referendum after the result. | 9:15:53 | 9:15:55 | |
Say what you will about the Labour Party, | 9:15:55 | 9:15:57 | |
you have to give them credit cos they've looked across the bench | 9:15:57 | 9:15:59 | |
at the turmoil engulfing the Conservative Party | 9:15:59 | 9:16:02 | |
and reacted like this - | 9:16:02 | 9:16:03 | |
"You call that political disarray? Sit down. | 9:16:03 | 9:16:06 | |
"Let the professionals show you how it's done." | 9:16:06 | 9:16:10 | |
-The referendum campaign threw up some great characters. -Yeah. | 9:16:10 | 9:16:13 | |
If you imagine, the kind of Shakespearean, you know, | 9:16:13 | 9:16:16 | |
the Gove relationship with Boris, it's... You know. | 9:16:16 | 9:16:19 | |
Yeah, it's absolutely incredible. | 9:16:19 | 9:16:21 | |
I mean, I think that we didn't give the theatrical community | 9:16:21 | 9:16:23 | |
enough time with the vote but I suspect next year we're going to | 9:16:23 | 9:16:26 | |
get a lot of Macbeths with Michael Gove. | 9:16:26 | 9:16:31 | |
I think that that's definitely... that's definitely coming. | 9:16:31 | 9:16:35 | |
-And Lady Macbeth. -And Lady Macbeth. Boris Johnson. | 9:16:35 | 9:16:40 | |
The look on Boris Johnson and Michael Gove's face. | 9:16:40 | 9:16:43 | |
The didn't look like two men who'd won a referendum. | 9:16:43 | 9:16:45 | |
They looked like two men who'd lost a side bet and one of them | 9:16:45 | 9:16:48 | |
was going to have to fuck a cheese grater. | 9:16:48 | 9:16:51 | |
So you changed your show entirely. | 9:16:51 | 9:16:53 | |
-Yeah. -That must have been a mountain of work. | 9:16:53 | 9:16:55 | |
It was, I mean, initially, | 9:16:55 | 9:16:57 | |
heartbreaking and very scary because, as a comedian | 9:16:57 | 9:17:01 | |
working towards Edinburgh, | 9:17:01 | 9:17:02 | |
most of the year you start working up material | 9:17:02 | 9:17:05 | |
and because I do political stuff, really, | 9:17:05 | 9:17:07 | |
it's post-January, so I only really have about five or six months | 9:17:07 | 9:17:10 | |
before June and July when I have to preview the show and get it ready. | 9:17:10 | 9:17:14 | |
This time, I had five weeks to start from scratch. | 9:17:14 | 9:17:17 | |
We are living through something of a spicy period. | 9:17:17 | 9:17:21 | |
It's a spicy period, guys. | 9:17:21 | 9:17:22 | |
You want to know how I know it's a spicy period? | 9:17:22 | 9:17:24 | |
There's a lot of people living in this country who would object to it | 9:17:24 | 9:17:27 | |
being described as spicy. That's how you know. | 9:17:27 | 9:17:29 | |
So how did the vote affect you personally? | 9:17:29 | 9:17:32 | |
On 24 June, I was doing a gig at the Comedy Store and that night | 9:17:32 | 9:17:37 | |
a man told me to go home, from the audience, | 9:17:37 | 9:17:39 | |
and I just briefly brought up the idea of it being a historic day, | 9:17:39 | 9:17:43 | |
cos I talk about studying history when I was at school, and I said, | 9:17:43 | 9:17:46 | |
"I don't know what's going to happen," | 9:17:46 | 9:17:48 | |
and he shouted, "You can go home." | 9:17:48 | 9:17:50 | |
I saw politicians and the major figures in the Leave camp | 9:17:50 | 9:17:54 | |
dismiss outright any connection between the Leave vote | 9:17:54 | 9:17:58 | |
and a spike in hate crime and I just thought, | 9:17:58 | 9:18:01 | |
"I'm sick of being told that this didn't happen to me." | 9:18:01 | 9:18:05 | |
So that was when the decision was made to start talking about it. | 9:18:05 | 9:18:10 | |
Aaron Banks is a major figure in the Leave campaign and he said | 9:18:10 | 9:18:12 | |
the biggest problem with the Remain campaign was | 9:18:12 | 9:18:14 | |
that it was too reliant on fact. | 9:18:14 | 9:18:17 | |
-Where this show would be interesting would be Sunderland. -Yeah. | 9:18:17 | 9:18:22 | |
I mean, in many ways, Kirsty, | 9:18:22 | 9:18:24 | |
that is the most devastating heckle I could have with my show. | 9:18:24 | 9:18:27 | |
It would have been amazing if you'd shouted that at the gig. | 9:18:27 | 9:18:30 | |
"Go say this in Sunderland!" | 9:18:32 | 9:18:34 | |
There's no shortage of material mocking the Leave campaign, | 9:18:36 | 9:18:39 | |
but there is one comic bucking the trend. | 9:18:39 | 9:18:42 | |
We're so delighted to find you because actually finding | 9:18:43 | 9:18:46 | |
a comedian who is Brexit is like finding a needle in a haystack. | 9:18:46 | 9:18:50 | |
Yeah, there's not many of us up here and when I say many I mean any. | 9:18:50 | 9:18:53 | |
I mean it's literally... I believe it's me. | 9:18:53 | 9:18:55 | |
I'm the only one dumb enough to come up here with | 9:18:55 | 9:18:57 | |
a show called Conswervative and then at the end also reveal that | 9:18:57 | 9:19:00 | |
I voted Leave, and it's been an interesting run, to be honest. | 9:19:00 | 9:19:02 | |
Voting Conservative is a bit like | 9:19:02 | 9:19:04 | |
buying a James Blunt album. Know what I mean? | 9:19:04 | 9:19:06 | |
You know millions of other people must have done it | 9:19:06 | 9:19:08 | |
but weirdly, you never seem to meet one. | 9:19:08 | 9:19:10 | |
So when the vote happened, did you go, | 9:19:10 | 9:19:12 | |
"Well, that's fantastic cos it means I can change my show," | 9:19:12 | 9:19:15 | |
or did you go, "Oh, God, I've got to change my show"? | 9:19:15 | 9:19:17 | |
I think firstly I felt a bit like everybody, like... | 9:19:17 | 9:19:19 | |
-I had a bit of buyer's remorse. -Buyer's remorse! Seriously? | 9:19:19 | 9:19:23 | |
Yeah, no, I did. The reality of what happened, | 9:19:23 | 9:19:25 | |
certainly when Cameron quit and the markets slumped | 9:19:25 | 9:19:28 | |
and everything seemed to briefly go into freefall, | 9:19:28 | 9:19:30 | |
it was natural to sort of question, is this the right thing? | 9:19:30 | 9:19:32 | |
-But did that give you great material? -I drew back for a while. | 9:19:32 | 9:19:35 | |
I thought, "Let people be angry, let people be disappointed." | 9:19:35 | 9:19:38 | |
There was quite a lot of comics saying, | 9:19:38 | 9:19:40 | |
"Well, the world's laughing," | 9:19:40 | 9:19:41 | |
and I was thinking, "Well, I'm a comic so...job done." | 9:19:41 | 9:19:44 | |
My mum would've been great at negotiating Brexit. | 9:19:44 | 9:19:46 | |
She would have said to Theresa May, "Theresa, babe, | 9:19:46 | 9:19:49 | |
"I've got you a good deal, yeah? | 9:19:49 | 9:19:50 | |
"I got you access to the single market, concessions on freedom | 9:19:50 | 9:19:53 | |
"of movement and Jean-Claude Juncker is now called John, all right? OK? | 9:19:53 | 9:19:56 | |
"Yeah. Pain au chocolat, my arse." | 9:19:56 | 9:19:59 | |
So what's the response from the audience been like? | 9:19:59 | 9:20:01 | |
There was one woman who waited for me in this courtyard | 9:20:01 | 9:20:04 | |
and waited till everybody had gone | 9:20:04 | 9:20:05 | |
and said, "Are you a character actor? | 9:20:05 | 9:20:08 | |
"You can tell me." I was like, "No." | 9:20:08 | 9:20:10 | |
I don't know if at that point she thought I was going to go, | 9:20:10 | 9:20:13 | |
"Yes, actually, my name's Tristram. | 9:20:13 | 9:20:15 | |
"Let's go and do some Bikram yoga and let's talk it through." | 9:20:15 | 9:20:18 | |
She just couldn't believe, maybe with some justification, | 9:20:18 | 9:20:21 | |
that anybody would come up | 9:20:21 | 9:20:22 | |
and kind of share these views at a liberal arts festival. | 9:20:22 | 9:20:24 | |
The first day afterwards, first day, I was a racist. | 9:20:24 | 9:20:27 | |
That was the dialogue. Racist. | 9:20:27 | 9:20:28 | |
Second day, xenophobic. Third day, I was thick. | 9:20:28 | 9:20:31 | |
I was thinking, "Thick? | 9:20:31 | 9:20:32 | |
"I'm not the one who organised a march after the vote, OK?" | 9:20:32 | 9:20:36 | |
When I saw on BBC News that we had left the EU, | 9:20:36 | 9:20:39 | |
I immediately had violent diarrhoea. | 9:20:39 | 9:20:42 | |
Just horrible. | 9:20:42 | 9:20:43 | |
Like, "We've left the EU... Oh, God!" | 9:20:43 | 9:20:46 | |
Straight in the... I had a bad case of the Brex-shits, guys. | 9:20:46 | 9:20:49 | |
It really... Seriously. | 9:20:49 | 9:20:51 | |
The Nando's I'd had the previous evening | 9:20:51 | 9:20:54 | |
voted to leave with an overwhelming majority | 9:20:54 | 9:20:57 | |
and article 50 was triggered immediately. | 9:20:57 | 9:21:01 | |
The festival's into its third week but thousands of performers | 9:21:01 | 9:21:04 | |
are still going strong, so here's our final selection of | 9:21:04 | 9:21:07 | |
highlights for this year. | 9:21:07 | 9:21:10 | |
Grandson of comic genius Charlie Chaplin, | 9:21:10 | 9:21:13 | |
the acrobatic, poet, clown and magician James Thierree | 9:21:13 | 9:21:16 | |
leads his audience into a magical world of dance, | 9:21:16 | 9:21:19 | |
circus and physical theatre in The Toad Knew. | 9:21:19 | 9:21:22 | |
Us/Them by Brussels-based company Bronks explores the harrowing | 9:21:27 | 9:21:31 | |
events of the 2004 Beslan school siege with sensitivity and humour, | 9:21:31 | 9:21:36 | |
cleverly contrasting the views of adults and children. | 9:21:36 | 9:21:40 | |
The terrorists have got the school! | 9:21:40 | 9:21:41 | |
But maybe not every terrorist wants money. | 9:21:41 | 9:21:44 | |
Maybe some of them only want peace. | 9:21:44 | 9:21:46 | |
# Cider man, cider man... # | 9:21:47 | 9:21:50 | |
While the Fringe is always awash with keen, new upstarts, | 9:21:50 | 9:21:52 | |
one comic stalwart is celebrating | 9:21:52 | 9:21:54 | |
his 30th year of Edinburgh silliness - | 9:21:54 | 9:21:57 | |
the ever entertaining Simon Munnery. | 9:21:57 | 9:21:59 | |
Joke there. Joke there. Do another one at the end. | 9:22:00 | 9:22:04 | |
What would Edinburgh be without some impromptu performance? | 9:22:08 | 9:22:11 | |
Pop-up Duets is a collaboration between award-winning choreographer | 9:22:11 | 9:22:15 | |
Janis Claxton and composer Pippa Murphy, and brings beautiful | 9:22:15 | 9:22:19 | |
dance to unsuspecting visitors at the National Museum of Scotland. | 9:22:19 | 9:22:23 | |
Senegalese superstar Youssou N'Dour | 9:22:30 | 9:22:32 | |
raised the roof at the Usher Hall with his joyful fusion | 9:22:32 | 9:22:35 | |
of traditional and world music. | 9:22:35 | 9:22:37 | |
As ever, there is a profusion of puppets at the festival. | 9:22:39 | 9:22:43 | |
The ventriloquist and comedian Nina Conti pulled a few strings | 9:22:43 | 9:22:46 | |
and got us into some of the hottest shows in town. | 9:22:46 | 9:22:48 | |
Teatro Delusio employees breathtaking movement techniques | 9:22:51 | 9:22:55 | |
to explore life behind the scenes in the theatre. | 9:22:55 | 9:22:58 | |
Ada/Ava mixes animation, live action and shadow puppetry | 9:23:03 | 9:23:07 | |
to create an eerie American Gothic tale. | 9:23:07 | 9:23:10 | |
Randy Writes A Novel is a foul-mouthed, philosophical rant | 9:23:16 | 9:23:19 | |
from purple puppet Randy Felt Face. | 9:23:19 | 9:23:22 | |
And in Nina's own show, | 9:23:26 | 9:23:27 | |
audience members are brought on stage and turned into human puppets. | 9:23:27 | 9:23:31 | |
# And my lovely wife tended them with care | 9:23:31 | 9:23:34 | |
# In the garden! | 9:23:36 | 9:23:39 | |
Tonight on stage, you had five people in masks and yourself. | 9:23:39 | 9:23:44 | |
Does your head always stay straight? | 9:23:44 | 9:23:47 | |
No, my head is a rambling chunk of nonsense | 9:23:47 | 9:23:49 | |
and I just get through it moment to moment. | 9:23:49 | 9:23:52 | |
-How you doing, Martin? -I'm ready! | 9:23:52 | 9:23:56 | |
-You're ready? How you doing? -I want to be in the garden. -You do? | 9:23:56 | 9:24:02 | |
How are you? | 9:24:02 | 9:24:03 | |
I... want... to... do... a... painting... | 9:24:03 | 9:24:09 | |
You want to do a painting? | 9:24:11 | 9:24:12 | |
She's always fucking painting! | 9:24:12 | 9:24:15 | |
Always at your side is Monkey, | 9:24:16 | 9:24:18 | |
but Monkey seems very traditional but also incredibly modern. | 9:24:18 | 9:24:22 | |
-So, what's that on your face? -That's my microphone. -Where's mine? | 9:24:23 | 9:24:28 | |
You shouldn't get yours. You don't need one. | 9:24:28 | 9:24:31 | |
Well, that fucks up the illusion. | 9:24:31 | 9:24:32 | |
It's a great, liberating mouthpiece for me. | 9:24:34 | 9:24:37 | |
It is like your foul-mouthed alter-ego? | 9:24:37 | 9:24:40 | |
Yeah, it's the unspoken thoughts, | 9:24:40 | 9:24:42 | |
but they're not the thoughts I would stand by. | 9:24:42 | 9:24:44 | |
They're not really like my secret thoughts of what I really think. | 9:24:44 | 9:24:47 | |
It's just all the thoughts that could occur. | 9:24:47 | 9:24:50 | |
Teatro Delusio - three guys, 30 characters, | 9:24:50 | 9:24:52 | |
cartoonish heads and total physicality, | 9:24:52 | 9:24:56 | |
which I thought was so completely different from your show. | 9:24:56 | 9:24:58 | |
A completely different form of action? | 9:24:58 | 9:25:02 | |
I love the beginning when the puppet comes on stage | 9:25:02 | 9:25:05 | |
right at the start and the puppeteer puts a hand through the sleeve | 9:25:05 | 9:25:08 | |
and she looks at it. | 9:25:08 | 9:25:11 | |
That was a very exciting moment, I thought. | 9:25:11 | 9:25:14 | |
These guys have amazing bodies. | 9:25:14 | 9:25:15 | |
They change their bodies so much to match their faces. | 9:25:15 | 9:25:18 | |
Well, the ballet dancers. | 9:25:18 | 9:25:19 | |
One ballet dancer looked like a proper ballet dancer. | 9:25:19 | 9:25:22 | |
Those faces are really enchanting and mixed with that music, | 9:25:22 | 9:25:25 | |
it's just got a great atmosphere, hasn't it? | 9:25:25 | 9:25:28 | |
It's really otherworldly. | 9:25:28 | 9:25:29 | |
I always thought masked acting was a bit of a drag | 9:25:37 | 9:25:40 | |
and kind of Greek and worthy but it's funny, that one, isn't it? | 9:25:40 | 9:25:44 | |
-Really playful. -It's fantastic. -Yeah, I really enjoyed it. | 9:25:44 | 9:25:46 | |
It's powerful what you can say without words | 9:25:46 | 9:25:49 | |
and it all happens in the audience's head. | 9:25:49 | 9:25:52 | |
It just gives you that liberty to imagine your own story. | 9:25:52 | 9:25:55 | |
Ada/Ava is a shadow puppet show, | 9:26:05 | 9:26:06 | |
but so much more because you see all the workings. | 9:26:06 | 9:26:09 | |
There is a live band and there's singing. | 9:26:09 | 9:26:11 | |
I've never seen it done like that before. That was amazing. | 9:26:16 | 9:26:19 | |
They chose spooky and tender. Very spooky when the hand... | 9:26:25 | 9:26:30 | |
I know, I know. | 9:26:30 | 9:26:32 | |
It was fascinating to watch the workings of that. | 9:26:38 | 9:26:41 | |
Like the Wizard of Oz or something. | 9:26:41 | 9:26:43 | |
You could see behind the curtain the whole time. | 9:26:43 | 9:26:45 | |
Do you think actually that because you could see the workings, | 9:26:45 | 9:26:48 | |
-it was actually more powerful? -I thought so. | 9:26:48 | 9:26:51 | |
You can see her face with the profile stuck to it below | 9:26:51 | 9:26:54 | |
and you can see the face she is making. | 9:26:54 | 9:26:56 | |
It doesn't take away from it at all, it doesn't diminish it. | 9:26:56 | 9:27:00 | |
-I think it enhances it. -You respect it so much more. | 9:27:00 | 9:27:03 | |
Now we're all used to soundtracks and dialogue | 9:27:03 | 9:27:05 | |
and everything fast-cut, | 9:27:05 | 9:27:07 | |
and to just slow it right down and simplify it like that... | 9:27:07 | 9:27:11 | |
It's such a craft. They clearly care enormously about it. | 9:27:11 | 9:27:13 | |
I actually found it profoundly moving. | 9:27:13 | 9:27:15 | |
You have the distress of death, loss, guilt, imagining. | 9:27:15 | 9:27:19 | |
It's extraordinary. | 9:27:19 | 9:27:21 | |
It's so much easier to love a shadow puppet than a bad actor! | 9:27:21 | 9:27:25 | |
Isn't it? | 9:27:25 | 9:27:27 | |
I don't know why that is but it seems so easy to be genuine | 9:27:27 | 9:27:31 | |
when it's just a silhouette. | 9:27:31 | 9:27:33 | |
Randy Writes A Novel is simply a one-man puppet show. | 9:27:40 | 9:27:44 | |
Edinburgh Fringe is one of the few times I really notice | 9:27:44 | 9:27:47 | |
the difference between being a drinker and a non-drinker | 9:27:47 | 9:27:49 | |
because every night after my show I'm like, | 9:27:49 | 9:27:51 | |
I'm just going to go home and have a cup of chamomile tea and read | 9:27:51 | 9:27:54 | |
some Haruki Murakami. | 9:27:54 | 9:27:56 | |
Everybody else in the entire city is like, "Aaagh!" | 9:27:56 | 9:27:59 | |
He's really enchanting, really powerful. | 9:28:01 | 9:28:03 | |
He really kicks ass as a puppet, as a host to an audience. | 9:28:03 | 9:28:07 | |
He's really unafraid. | 9:28:07 | 9:28:08 | |
-He holds the stage. -He holds the stage. | 9:28:08 | 9:28:10 | |
I recognise that struggle | 9:28:10 | 9:28:12 | |
of the puppet not being able to actually see | 9:28:12 | 9:28:14 | |
but you feel people ducking out of his eyeline, | 9:28:14 | 9:28:17 | |
but there's no eyes there, and that is the power of the thing. | 9:28:17 | 9:28:20 | |
I love that. | 9:28:22 | 9:28:23 | |
I wrote a book! | 9:28:24 | 9:28:26 | |
Wooo! | 9:28:26 | 9:28:28 | |
Yeah, don't get too excited, I think it might be shit! | 9:28:28 | 9:28:31 | |
I can't tell any more. I'm too close to it. | 9:28:31 | 9:28:34 | |
I'm concerned that it might be like an ugly baby, | 9:28:34 | 9:28:36 | |
that I'm looking at through the eyes of a loving mother. | 9:28:36 | 9:28:40 | |
What I was experiencing was thinking, you're just | 9:28:40 | 9:28:42 | |
a mouthpiece for the guy under the table, which is fascinating. | 9:28:42 | 9:28:46 | |
It's just stand-up. | 9:28:46 | 9:28:48 | |
At what point do you think you are looking at the stand-up | 9:28:48 | 9:28:51 | |
and you just forget he's a puppet? | 9:28:51 | 9:28:52 | |
I never forget he is a puppet. | 9:28:52 | 9:28:54 | |
I love thinking of that sweaty guy underneath, | 9:28:54 | 9:28:57 | |
hunched with his hand held high with the blood draining out of it. | 9:28:57 | 9:29:01 | |
I actually, yes, that's quite sadist of me, | 9:29:01 | 9:29:04 | |
but I enjoy the struggle that must have gone into this illusion | 9:29:04 | 9:29:07 | |
and I don't really forget it. | 9:29:07 | 9:29:08 | |
I'm going to read bits of the book out. | 9:29:08 | 9:29:11 | |
You are going to react, and then at the end, | 9:29:11 | 9:29:14 | |
we'll all collectively decide whether or not I should kill myself. | 9:29:14 | 9:29:19 | |
You at least, we see you, the hand is in Monkey but we see you, | 9:29:21 | 9:29:25 | |
but what must it feel like in Randy Writes A Novel? | 9:29:25 | 9:29:28 | |
You never see him. | 9:29:28 | 9:29:29 | |
-He is just that puppet. -I know. | 9:29:29 | 9:29:32 | |
I think in some respects, it must be hugely facilitating | 9:29:32 | 9:29:35 | |
to just be completely free, but it must be pretty sore on the back. | 9:29:35 | 9:29:42 | |
I mean, I couldn't do it for an hour. | 9:29:42 | 9:29:43 | |
I can't imagine how he does it. But Randy is so alive, isn't he? | 9:29:43 | 9:29:48 | |
The power that comes through him. That's fantastic puppetry. | 9:29:48 | 9:29:53 | |
You know my favourite bit of that whole story? I just made it up! | 9:29:53 | 9:29:57 | |
Nina Conti is at the Pleasance until Monday | 9:29:59 | 9:30:01 | |
and dates in London next month. | 9:30:01 | 9:30:04 | |
Stories of migration are never far from the headlines these days | 9:30:04 | 9:30:08 | |
but at this year's festival, | 9:30:08 | 9:30:09 | |
refugees are bringing their own stories to the stage. | 9:30:09 | 9:30:12 | |
The writer and broadcaster Bidisha | 9:30:12 | 9:30:14 | |
has been hearing tales of struggle and survival. | 9:30:14 | 9:30:18 | |
I've been working with asylum seekers and refugees in the UK | 9:30:26 | 9:30:29 | |
for several years now and I'm always struck by the difference | 9:30:29 | 9:30:33 | |
between the way politicians and the media speak about them | 9:30:33 | 9:30:37 | |
and the daily reality of refugees' lives. | 9:30:37 | 9:30:40 | |
To me, they are the victims of the world's biggest humanitarian crisis | 9:30:40 | 9:30:43 | |
and I've come to Edinburgh | 9:30:43 | 9:30:45 | |
to curate some events at the Book Festival here, | 9:30:45 | 9:30:48 | |
which will hopefully enable audiences to | 9:30:48 | 9:30:51 | |
see the world through refugees' eyes. | 9:30:51 | 9:30:54 | |
In 2006, Gulwali Passarlay fled the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. | 9:30:55 | 9:31:01 | |
He spent 12 months crossing eight countries to reach the UK. | 9:31:01 | 9:31:05 | |
Six years later, he was selected to carry the Olympic torch | 9:31:05 | 9:31:08 | |
in the run-up to the 2012 games. | 9:31:08 | 9:31:11 | |
"If I have made it this far, I could make it now. | 9:31:12 | 9:31:15 | |
"A survival instinct deep within me spurred me on. | 9:31:15 | 9:31:19 | |
"I didn't want to die. Not here, not like this. | 9:31:19 | 9:31:23 | |
"Not gasping and choking for breath in the cold depths of the sea. | 9:31:23 | 9:31:28 | |
"How would anyone find my body? | 9:31:28 | 9:31:31 | |
"My mother's face flashed before me again. | 9:31:31 | 9:31:34 | |
" 'It is not safe for you here, Gulwali. | 9:31:34 | 9:31:37 | |
" 'I am sending you away for your own safety.' " | 9:31:37 | 9:31:41 | |
Gulwali, I've read your book, | 9:31:41 | 9:31:43 | |
which tells the story of an incredible journey, | 9:31:43 | 9:31:46 | |
but it begins when you are just 12 years old, | 9:31:46 | 9:31:49 | |
when your life changes completely. | 9:31:49 | 9:31:51 | |
I was forced to flee and leave my family, leave my home, | 9:31:51 | 9:31:55 | |
everything that I loved, everything that I knew. | 9:31:55 | 9:31:57 | |
I now was heading to the world of unknown. | 9:31:57 | 9:32:00 | |
What kind of risks were you in danger of? | 9:32:00 | 9:32:03 | |
I saw death on many occasions. | 9:32:03 | 9:32:05 | |
But at one stage where I was very certain that death was happening, | 9:32:05 | 9:32:08 | |
it was imminent, was when I was crossing from Turkey to Greece. | 9:32:08 | 9:32:11 | |
The boat was designed for 20 people. | 9:32:11 | 9:32:13 | |
There was 120 of us in it | 9:32:13 | 9:32:15 | |
and for about 49, 50 hours, we were in the sea. | 9:32:15 | 9:32:17 | |
So when I saw that death was happening, | 9:32:17 | 9:32:19 | |
the boat was sinking, I was having this conversation with God | 9:32:19 | 9:32:22 | |
because faith and hope was things that was keeping me going. | 9:32:22 | 9:32:25 | |
What was your expectation of Britain? | 9:32:25 | 9:32:27 | |
When I first arrived, | 9:32:27 | 9:32:28 | |
I felt relieved I was finally here, but that I would be treated better | 9:32:28 | 9:32:31 | |
than how I was treated in the rest of half of the world. | 9:32:31 | 9:32:34 | |
But ultimately, it was another battle, | 9:32:34 | 9:32:35 | |
another journey, another beginning. | 9:32:35 | 9:32:37 | |
This is not where my journey ended, it's where it actually restarted. | 9:32:37 | 9:32:40 | |
The authorities and social services, the immigration services, | 9:32:40 | 9:32:43 | |
although they were trying to help me, | 9:32:43 | 9:32:45 | |
they did not believe my age, they did not believe my nationality. | 9:32:45 | 9:32:48 | |
It was actually more harder than the journey itself, | 9:32:48 | 9:32:50 | |
being in the UK for the first year or two. | 9:32:50 | 9:32:52 | |
What would you change about the current system? | 9:32:52 | 9:32:56 | |
It took me five years to get refugee status | 9:32:56 | 9:32:58 | |
and that's not acceptable. | 9:32:58 | 9:32:59 | |
We blame the refugees or the asylum-seekers, | 9:32:59 | 9:33:01 | |
when they have risked everything to come here. | 9:33:01 | 9:33:03 | |
We don't give them the second chance in life, | 9:33:03 | 9:33:05 | |
we treat them as unworthy human beings | 9:33:05 | 9:33:08 | |
or basically that doesn't deserve to be here, | 9:33:08 | 9:33:10 | |
that doesn't deserve the peace and security | 9:33:10 | 9:33:13 | |
and opportunities we enjoy. | 9:33:13 | 9:33:15 | |
"On so many times on my journey to freedom, I had felt hopeless, | 9:33:16 | 9:33:19 | |
"despondent and afraid. | 9:33:19 | 9:33:22 | |
"But at those moments of weakness, one thought had kept going. | 9:33:22 | 9:33:26 | |
"My mother sent me away to save my life. | 9:33:26 | 9:33:28 | |
"As I run through the street of my adopted second home, | 9:33:28 | 9:33:32 | |
"the torch burning brightly, with people cheering and taking photos, | 9:33:32 | 9:33:37 | |
"I thought of only of one thing - her." | 9:33:37 | 9:33:40 | |
"At that moment, I knew beyond all doubt that I hadn't failed her. | 9:33:41 | 9:33:46 | |
"I had made it." | 9:33:46 | 9:33:47 | |
Gulwali is just one of countless individuals who risked their lives | 9:33:55 | 9:33:59 | |
crossing the Mediterranean to seek safety in Europe. | 9:33:59 | 9:34:02 | |
In Cast Away, | 9:34:02 | 9:34:04 | |
Charlotte McDonald-Gibson explores what's driven them to make | 9:34:04 | 9:34:07 | |
this perilous journey through the stories of five refugees | 9:34:07 | 9:34:11 | |
who've arrived in Europe since 2011. | 9:34:11 | 9:34:13 | |
Charlotte, why did you want to tell these five individual stories? | 9:34:15 | 9:34:19 | |
Well, I've been reporting on the refugee crisis for a long time, | 9:34:19 | 9:34:22 | |
since the Arab Spring, really, in 2011, when we really first started | 9:34:22 | 9:34:25 | |
to see this movement of people coming across the Mediterranean, | 9:34:25 | 9:34:29 | |
making these incredibly difficult journeys and coming to Europe. | 9:34:29 | 9:34:32 | |
I wanted to find a way to tell these stories, to expose what was going on | 9:34:32 | 9:34:37 | |
in this place, in the European Union, which is held up as a beacon | 9:34:37 | 9:34:41 | |
for human rights for other countries to follow. | 9:34:41 | 9:34:44 | |
"David was beside Sina on the deck. | 9:34:44 | 9:34:46 | |
" 'Don't worry, we'll be safe,' he said. | 9:34:46 | 9:34:48 | |
" 'We're very close to the beach, you don't have to worry. | 9:34:48 | 9:34:51 | |
" 'We will not die, I promise you.' | 9:34:51 | 9:34:54 | |
"At that moment, Sina felt the wood beneath her feet give way | 9:34:54 | 9:34:57 | |
"and slide into the water, taking her with it. | 9:34:57 | 9:35:00 | |
"First she went down, then up again, | 9:35:00 | 9:35:03 | |
"desperately trying to keep hold of a slippery rope. | 9:35:03 | 9:35:06 | |
"Then there was nothing to hold on to any more. She was in the water. | 9:35:06 | 9:35:09 | |
"Sina heard a voice. | 9:35:09 | 9:35:11 | |
" 'Please help us, we have a nine-month pregnant woman, | 9:35:11 | 9:35:13 | |
" 'help us, she's here.' | 9:35:13 | 9:35:15 | |
"Then everything went black." | 9:35:15 | 9:35:17 | |
Sina's an extraordinary young woman, so she's from Eritrea. | 9:35:17 | 9:35:20 | |
It's got one of the most oppressive regimes in the world, | 9:35:20 | 9:35:23 | |
it's a dictatorship. | 9:35:23 | 9:35:24 | |
I find her story extraordinary cos it's a story of survival, | 9:35:24 | 9:35:27 | |
of a mother and child, set against the backdrop of all these | 9:35:27 | 9:35:30 | |
news events we're familiar with - the closures of the borders, | 9:35:30 | 9:35:32 | |
the shipwrecks, the massive arrivals on the Greek islands. | 9:35:32 | 9:35:35 | |
How important is it, | 9:35:35 | 9:35:36 | |
given that these are huge global trends and we're so used to seeing | 9:35:36 | 9:35:40 | |
these pictures of refugees crammed into boats | 9:35:40 | 9:35:43 | |
or detainees in detention centres, | 9:35:43 | 9:35:46 | |
to humanize this crisis? | 9:35:46 | 9:35:50 | |
It's absolutely crucial, because when they're viewed as "others", | 9:35:50 | 9:35:54 | |
it's the otherization of other peoples. | 9:35:54 | 9:35:57 | |
There's no empathy, you have no empathy. | 9:35:57 | 9:35:59 | |
Everybody, they're just like us, | 9:35:59 | 9:36:01 | |
they have the same basic motivations, | 9:36:01 | 9:36:04 | |
which is to find the best life possible for your family, | 9:36:04 | 9:36:07 | |
to find somewhere safe where you can build a life. | 9:36:07 | 9:36:10 | |
It's not just the Book Festival | 9:36:12 | 9:36:14 | |
that's focusing on forced migration this year. | 9:36:14 | 9:36:17 | |
At the Fringe, Dear Home Office gives a voice to | 9:36:17 | 9:36:20 | |
eight young refugees as their right to remain in the UK is tested. | 9:36:20 | 9:36:25 | |
Tell me how this project came about. | 9:36:25 | 9:36:28 | |
I manage the housing project that most of these guys live in, | 9:36:28 | 9:36:31 | |
so in the day, I'm kind of sorting out their day-to-day business, | 9:36:31 | 9:36:35 | |
and in the summer, Awet said to me that he thought that he had | 9:36:35 | 9:36:39 | |
a story to tell and that he thought it was quite funny | 9:36:39 | 9:36:42 | |
and could kind of interest an audience. | 9:36:42 | 9:36:45 | |
Actually, when I was young, I was, like, acting in school | 9:36:45 | 9:36:50 | |
and I love writing kind of stories, so I thought, like, | 9:36:50 | 9:36:55 | |
this is going to be helpful if we make drama or stuff. | 9:36:55 | 9:37:00 | |
And what story did you want to tell with this? | 9:37:00 | 9:37:02 | |
You know, our story, like, our journey. | 9:37:02 | 9:37:06 | |
So I find a man who would take me out of there. | 9:37:06 | 9:37:10 | |
It was a little car with about 15 other people. | 9:37:10 | 9:37:12 | |
They made us throw out our water | 9:37:15 | 9:37:17 | |
so we could hold big cans of petrol. | 9:37:17 | 9:37:20 | |
I was crushed and hot. | 9:37:21 | 9:37:23 | |
The petrol made me sick. THEY RETCH | 9:37:23 | 9:37:25 | |
There are some really dramatic moments that I think lots of people | 9:37:25 | 9:37:29 | |
don't understand about being an asylum seeker. | 9:37:29 | 9:37:32 | |
Like, one question they ask you, like, more than 30 times, | 9:37:32 | 9:37:35 | |
they repeat again, again, again... | 9:37:35 | 9:37:39 | |
So they make me, like, the other people or me or my friends, | 9:37:39 | 9:37:45 | |
they make feel sad, really. | 9:37:45 | 9:37:47 | |
How old was your mum when she had you? | 9:37:47 | 9:37:50 | |
Did you go to school? | 9:37:50 | 9:37:52 | |
Did you work? | 9:37:52 | 9:37:54 | |
Did you help in the house? | 9:37:54 | 9:37:55 | |
Did you have a girlfriend? | 9:37:55 | 9:37:57 | |
How long did you go to school? | 9:37:57 | 9:37:59 | |
What year were you in when you left to come here? | 9:37:59 | 9:38:01 | |
-Do you have any qualification or degrees? -How long ago? | 9:38:01 | 9:38:04 | |
Can you be more specific? | 9:38:04 | 9:38:06 | |
What do you want audiences to take away from Dear Home Office? | 9:38:06 | 9:38:09 | |
I want... | 9:38:09 | 9:38:10 | |
if I'm capable of changing their opinion, if some people, | 9:38:10 | 9:38:14 | |
like, they have different kind of opinion about refugees, | 9:38:14 | 9:38:18 | |
I want to show them, like, you know, we are good people, | 9:38:18 | 9:38:22 | |
we are the same like them, we can do, like, | 9:38:22 | 9:38:26 | |
good things for the people, for the society, for the world. | 9:38:26 | 9:38:30 | |
I just want to work hard and have a peaceful life, | 9:38:30 | 9:38:33 | |
is that too much to ask? | 9:38:33 | 9:38:35 | |
I'm studying GCSE, I want to be a psychologist to help kids like me. | 9:38:35 | 9:38:39 | |
Our story has only just begun. | 9:38:41 | 9:38:43 | |
AUDIENCE APPLAUDS | 9:38:45 | 9:38:47 | |
That's about all from us, but there's plenty more at... | 9:38:49 | 9:38:51 | |
We leave you tonight with a stunning performance | 9:38:55 | 9:38:57 | |
from the Lemon Bucket Orchestra, who have been picking up praise | 9:38:57 | 9:39:00 | |
and prizes for Counting Sheep, a powerful and immersive piece | 9:39:00 | 9:39:04 | |
at Summerhall, which recreates Ukraine's Maidan revolution. | 9:39:04 | 9:39:08 | |
Goodnight. | 9:39:08 | 9:39:09 | |
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