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Hi, hi! I'm not late, am I? | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
No, no, we're still waiting on a few people. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Help yourself to a beverage. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
-Thank you. -Hello. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Hi. I'll just have a black coffee, please. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
-OK. -Oh, no, no. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Jackie doesn't work here. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
She's our member of the public. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
She's actually on the jury. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Oh! Oh, gosh, sorry. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
-I didn't mean to... -Oh, that's all right, I don't mind! | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
I'm Clive Carol. Pleased to meet you. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:52 | |
Clive's one of our finest writers, aren't you? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
He won the Breakthrough Talent Award for television drama. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Oh, wow! When was this? | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
-Oh, a couple of years ago. -2003, wasn't it? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
Er... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Was it that long ago? Yeah, I suppose it was, actually. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Now, obviously you'll know Rupert. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
-Have you two worked together? -No, I'd love to. Huge fan. -Hello. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
And this is Gordon Norris. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
-Yeah, we know each other. -Hi, Gordon. -Hi. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
It's all a bit bloody pointless, if you ask me. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
We already know who's going to win, don't we? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
What's she called, the girl who's in everything? | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
Shona Andrews. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
Let's not prejudge. There's a long way to go yet. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Gordon, I don't know if you've had a chance to have a quick read of that script I sent through? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
No, I haven't, Clive. I'm in post on Doctor Who and I'm prepping the new | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Jimmy Nesbitt vehicle, so I'm a little tied up at the moment. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Yeah, it's just that Sky are really, really interested. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
And, you know, script by me, directed by you, that's a really good package. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
Yes, Clive. It's on the list, but it's, er... It's not for now. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Absolutely. I agree. Whatever you say. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Oh, it's here, April! | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
We're in here! | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
Hello, everybody. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Hi, hi. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
Hello, I'm Giles. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
-I'm the chair. -Oh, and I'm Paula and I'm the couch. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
Rupert? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
God, YOU'RE here? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Oh, you got old! | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Oh, have you met? What was your name, sweetheart? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
-April, May... -June. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Yes, I know Rupert. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
I've interviewed him on several occasions. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
-Hello, again. -Hello. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
-Who is this? -Got no idea. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Right well, we are all met, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
so shall we make a start as there's a huge amount to get through? | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Can I suggest we begin in time-honoured fashion by just going around the | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
room and saying who we are and what we do? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
So, I'm Giles Grindlay-Orme, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
and I am Associate Chair of the Television Committee here at the Academy. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
I'm June Bright and I'm an alcoholic. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
No! | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
I'm a journalist and TV critic for the Sunday Mirror. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
Rupert Dennis, actor, treader of boards, now old, apparently. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:04 | |
Oh, is it me? I'm Jackie. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
I'm a dentist's receptionist. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
I've never done anything like this before. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
I won a competition. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
Yes, I should point out the Academy thought it was very important to hear | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
the voice of the viewer. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
So, this year each jury has a member of the public giving us the benefit | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
of their unique insight. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Gordon? | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
Oh, yes. Gordon Norris. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
Film and TV director. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
Hi. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Clive Carol, scribbler, dreamer. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Also a member of the public. I did win the Breakthrough Talent Award. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Yada, yada, yada! | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
I'm Paula, you all know me. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
And I'm here doing a West End show. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
And I've got a costume fitting at four, so we'd better, you know... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Oh, absolutely, thank you, Paula. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
So, we are here to judge the Best Actress category. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
I have to ask that you have all watched the performances up for consideration this year | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
and that there are no conflicts of interest that may colour your judgment. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Right, well, let's begin. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
As you know, we have a longlist of eight names, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
which we need to whittle down to four nominees. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
I'm sure we can get rid of a few of these pretty quickly. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Zoe Chappell? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
-No. -No. -No. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
She's off the list. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:21 | |
Erm... | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
Tina Waddingham, anyone? | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
-She was good. -Not for me. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
-No, me neither. -Yeah, I don't think it's her year. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
As I thought. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
What about Brenda Dobbie? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
ALL: No! | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
OK. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
That's pretty clear. Poor Brenda. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
-Kelly Marsden? -Absolutely not. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
I don't understand how she even got on the list. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
I've interviewed Kelly. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
She's a very clever girl, believe me. Very ambitious. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Yeah, you've always been great at fingering the new talent. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Can we keep the discussion just to her acting ability, please? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Well, in that case, I thought she was pretty good. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
-I liked her. -Well, that's good enough for me. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Samira Denham? | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
Terrible. Too young. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Well, you know, Samira can be good. She just needs a good director. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I don't know what was going on with her acting. She was supposed to be doing Cockney. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
-She sounded like she was Australian. -Yeah, she's shit. It was like, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
"Go down the apples and pears and get me some jellied eels!" | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
I'm just agreeing with you, Gordon. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Yeah, that is so true. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
Well, she's gone. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
So, by my reckoning that leaves us with a shortlist of Shona Andrews, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Dame Dorothy Sutton, Kelly Marsden and Anna Adeyemi. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Is everyone happy with these four as our nominees? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-Yes. -Yes. -Yes. -Good. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
Well, that was painless. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
So, what we'll do now is discuss each one in turn, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
then you'll all get a chance to vote anonymously to determine the winner. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
I myself will remain impartial. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
OK, let's kick off with Shona. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Who wants to start? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
Jackie! | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
Just brilliant. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
She's always brilliant, isn't she? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
You could watch her in anything. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
She did that thing a couple of years ago when she was a nurse. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
-What was that called? -Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
Look, I mean, I've never worked with her. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
But the camera loves her. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
She's got that 360 range and she's always, always committed. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
-I think she nailed it. -Paula, would you agree? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Shona Andrews stole my heart. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Moving, truthful, devastating. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
This was a different kind of role for her, wasn't it? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
Just talk a little bit about that. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
Well, this was a different kind of role for her, totally different. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
She played, er... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
Madam Curry. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
-Marie Curie. -Yes, the woman who invented the radio. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
And I totally bought it, the whole package. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Yeah, she is what I call one of the anointed. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
She can do no wrong. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
And even though she was 30 years too young for the part, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
I have to admit she was really very good. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Well, what does it matter how old she is? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
She brought Marie Curie to life for me. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
I mean, it was a very dry and boring subject, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
but my ex-partner and I sat there transfixed. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
I never even knew Marie Curie was a real person. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
I thought it was a magazine. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
And that made it even more... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
..better, if that's not a stupid thing to say. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
No. No, no, it isn't, not at all. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
It's exactly that kind of observation we were hoping to get from you, Jackie. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Well done. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
I have a problem with this actress. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
She mumbles. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
I couldn't make out half of what she said. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Having said that, I was a blubbering wreck by the end. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
A remarkable performance. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
-I agree. -Oh, great. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
-Can we go now? -No, no, no. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
We have to discuss all the nominees, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
but let's just put a big tick for now and move on to Dame Dorothy. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
-Rupert? -Mmm? -I'm guessing you had no problems with her diction? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
Clear as a bell. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
I've got a lot of time for Dotty. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
We came up through the RSC together. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
Isn't that a conflict of interest? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
No, we were on nodding terms, that's all. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
She did a lot of nodding, from what I heard. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
-Let's just... -What's that supposed to mean? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Oh, come on, Rupert. You and Dame Dotty do have a history. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
You can't deny it. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
I don't think a handjob in the car park of the Dirty Duck in 1976 | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
is going to cloud my judgment. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
-Well, it does colour things slightly. -Oh, come off it, she did it for everybody! | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
-Well, let's not... -Robin Nedwell, Brian Glover... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
I think we're going a little bit off-piste there. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
But for the sake of complete impartiality, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
why don't you sit out on this one, Rupert, if you don't mind? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
Fine. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
Mumbling girl's going to win it anyway. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Paula? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
Dorothy Sutton stole my heart. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
She was perfectly cast in the role, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
which saw her transform from waspish librarian to warm-hearted widow with | 0:08:55 | 0:09:02 | |
all the skill of a seasoned pro. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Hang on, that's my review! | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
I wrote that for the Sunday Mirror. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
-Great minds think alike. -Oh! | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
Paula, you have watched all these performances, haven't you? | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Sure, sure, my agent set me up with all the links. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
OK. Gordon, what did you think? | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she's a national treasure and she's given a lot of people | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
a lot of pleasure over the years. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
Some more than others, apparently. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
But I feel in this case she was let down by the script, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
which just didn't seem to go anywhere original. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Yeah, I agree. I agree, because the script should take you on a journey, shouldn't it? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
So if you read episode one, you really want to know what happens in episode two, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
and there are many more ideas that can be explored there. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-I will read it, Clive. -Brilliant, no worries. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
Let's just remember what this award is for, Best Actress, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
and we should be focusing on just the elements of performance. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Jackie, let's get the view from the sofa, as it were. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Are you a Dame Dotty fan? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
I love her. She really reminds me of my grandma. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Apart from the wanking men off in car parks bit. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
But she's always so funny and so... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
..twinkly, if that's a word? | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
It is. It is a word. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
But it's interesting, because the character she's played here, Mrs Crabbe, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
is actually quite cantankerous and sour to begin with, isn't she? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Yeah. And that's what makes her a good actress, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
because she's not like that in real life, is she? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
She doesn't suffer fools, put it that way. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Yeah, she knows what she wants. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
In terms of performance, though, another tick. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Right, next up is Kelly Marsden. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
Who wants to talk about Kelly? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
Kelly Marsden stole my heart. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
-What, again? -Yes. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
All these girls are real, moving. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
I don't want to choose between them, but we have to, right? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
Yes, but based on the performances that we have all definitely seen. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Absolutely. But let me just say one thing here. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
You cannot judge between this cup of coffee or this cup of coffee or this cup of coffee. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
This is tea. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Whatever. All I mean is all these girls are real, moving. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:17 | |
They're all uniquely brilliant and you cannot sit in judgment of these performances. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Of course we bloody can - that's what we're here for. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
-Well, there speaks a man who's never been up for an award, because if you had... -Excuse me! | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
Because if you had, you would know to be entered into a race | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
you did not choose to enter, and then to lose... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
to Jessica Lange... | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
Well, that hurts. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
-Period. -And I know, because when I won Breakthrough Talent in 2003... -Yeah, Clive, OK... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
Sorry, can I just bring this back to the acting bit? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Yes, thank you, Jackie, please do. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
This Kelly girl, she made me and my mum cry. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Good. Not good, but... | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
-Carry on. -She was just so moving and believable, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
I totally cared what happened to her. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
She is definitely talented. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
I mean, you know, she's auditioned for me a couple of times, not got them, obviously, but, I think, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
I think this has just come a little bit too soon for her. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Is this the flat-chested one? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
-Didn't like it. -Rupert! | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Am I not allowed an opinion on this one either? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
Look, Kelly's come up through the soaps, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
and I think they learn a lot of bad habits. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
But, getting back to what Gordon said, I think he's right. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
I think in a couple of years, we could be looking at a Suranne Jones or a Sarah Lancashire. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
But not yet. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
I'm with Gordon on this one, I'm afraid. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
I wasn't convinced. If you're going to be addicted to gambling, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
live on a council estate, you've got to do more than scrape your hair back, paint a love bite on, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
-I'm sorry. -OK, OK, so not the most glowing comments we've had. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
I'm just going to put a question mark next to Kelly for now. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
Finally, Anna Adeyemi, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
who played Trish in Channel 4's Clickbait. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Who wants to talk about her? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
Gordon. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
-What are you all looking at me for? -Just because you are a director and | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
you may well have some thoughts on... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
-The black actress. -No, no, no, not at all. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
She is AN actress nominated for this award. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
Oh, so it's not the coloured girl? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
-What did you... -It's... | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
The nominee we are discussing is Anna Adeyemi. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Anna Adeyemi stole my heart. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I see what this is. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
I see what this... I now understand why I'm on the panel. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
It's my unique insight into all things black. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Not at all. You are here because you are a valued industry professional, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
same as everybody else. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
-Except Jackie. -Well, we have to have one, don't we? | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
I read it somewhere. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
-Isn't that right, Giles? -No, no, no. That's not... -I just can't believe this. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
No, what I meant is, it's a good thing. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
We ought to have one. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Bloody hell. They damn you if you do, damn you if you don't. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
-Rupert, stop it now. -Look, it is not my fault that Idris Elba didn't make a TV show this year, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
so you can all tick your little diversity box and have at it. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
-Oh, come on! -You know what? This is bullshit. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
-I'm leaving. -No, no, no. -I am leaving! I'm leaving! | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
We need you on this panel. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Hear, hear. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
Fine. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:20 | |
Fine, Giles. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
But let it be known that I do not want to go first in this discussion. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
Understood. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Thank you. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
Clive. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
What did you think of Anna's performance? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Er... | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
I think she... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
..was... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
..brilliant. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Actually. It's a very contemporary story, very well told. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
She brought great authenticity to that world, it was fantastic. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
-Jackie. -Again, really, really good. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
I actually couldn't see her acting. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
And that really added to the storyline, in my eyes. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
Well, we already know what Paula thinks. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
June. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
I've always loved her. I've given her two thumbs up in the past. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
Isn't that a conflict-of-interest? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
I'd be very happy if she got this award. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
Rupert, what did you make of Anna? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Truthfully, I wasn't that impressed, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
I'm afraid to say. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
Another mumbler. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
I found her very wooden, unsympathetic, woefully miscast. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
I'm sorry, but there it is. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
All right. And, er... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
..finally, Gordon. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Well, I have to say that I agree with, erm... | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
..with Rupert. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
I thought she was out of her depth. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
She didn't quite have the emotional range and I felt that she fell | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
far short of what was required. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
Yep, I agree. Can see that. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
Wait a minute, you said you thought she was brilliant, like, a second ago. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
Well, I'm allowed to change my mind. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Gordon's made some really interesting points. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
And how could you say she lacked the emotional range? She went through the mill in this. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
I don't know, June. How could you say my direction of Hotel Babylon gave you a headache? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
I never said that. Well, mmm... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
"Gordon Morris directs like a toddler with ADHD and his showy camera moves | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
-"had me reaching for the paracetamol in the first ten minutes." -Gordon, I think that's... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Like I said, Gordon, it's water under the bridge. It doesn't matter. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Yeah, I know it doesn't matter, cos nothing that you do matters, June(!) | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
-What's that supposed to mean? -You don't have to answer that, Gordon. -No, I want to answer it. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
-Let him speak. -You, you are a parasite. Jackie has more to contribute than you. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Leave it, honey. You only ever remember your bad reviews. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
You must have a bloody good memory. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
Fuck you, you withered asshole. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
All right, everybody, please, let's just, er... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Let's just calm down. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I suggest we take a five-minute break, come back. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
And, if we can, choose a winner. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Just going for a pee and a ciggy. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
I'm sorry about that, old chap. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Crossed wires, I think. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
-No offence. -It's fine. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
Jesus. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-Bit awkward, wasn't it? -Yeah, he's apologised, it's fine. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Just so you know, there's going to be lots of diversity in Blood Oranges. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
-Blood Oranges? -My script. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
-I know you haven't read it. -Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, I haven't. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Well, when you do, just bear in mind that any of the characters could be... | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
..diversified. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
-What do you mean? -Just that if there's anything you don't like or you | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
don't agree with, I don't mind changing it. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Clive, you're not supposed to feel that about your own script. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
You're supposed to be protective of it. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-I want a writer that totally believes in their work. -But I am, I do. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
But, equally, I don't mind completely changing it if it means it'll get made. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
You all right? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
Yes. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Just having a little think. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
So, how did you win this competition, Jackie? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
I had to write a pretend review of a programme. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Oh, what did you choose? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
-Bake Off. -Oh, yeah, I reviewed that once. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
I did the whole thing as if it were a recipe. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
-Take two ripe presenters, that sort of thing. -Oh! | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Sounds good. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
I'd love to have your job. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
Do you enjoy it? | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
Well, I'm invited to every premiere. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
I'm at every awards ceremony. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
I get to walk the red carpet alongside the stars. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
I get to visit the sets of all my favourite TV shows, sitting in the corner. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
Watching these... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
..amazing things. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
And... I've got nothing to do with any of it. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
He's right. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
I'm the loneliest woman in the world. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
So, Paula, how's the play going? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
Oh, it's a piece of shit, honey. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
What theatre are you in? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Oh, the Trafalgar Studios, that's West End, right? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Yes, technically. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
-Who's directing it? -Nobody, that's the problem. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
But we'll get through it. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
That's what we do. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
So, um, I've just been speaking to your agent. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
She said she did send through a link to the viewing portal. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
-That's right. -She also gave you some notes about each of the nominees. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
What are you getting at, Giles? | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Shit, or get off the pot. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Just that it is a requirement, as per the declaration you signed, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
that you have actually watched the performances we're discussing. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
Don't worry about that. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
I know all these bitches. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
I don't know who they are, but they're types. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
The star, the dame, the girl next door, and the ingenue. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
-I don't think... -Honey, I vote in the Academy Awards. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I picked the best film nine times in the past ten years, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
and I've never seen a motherfucking one of those movies. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
So trust me, hmm? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
I got this. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
I've just bumped into Wayne Sleep. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
He's on the panel for Reality and Constructed Factual, whatever that is. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
I'll tell you what that is. That is a continuing drama without the need of a scriptwriter, apparently. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
It's like improv, with real people. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
What, you mean they give you an award for eavesdropping? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
I'm afraid so, yeah. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
GORDON LAUGHS | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
Right, well, shall we all reconvene? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
I just want to remind everybody of the categories. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
This is Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
Now, do we feel like we are perhaps in a position to eliminate a couple of | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
the candidates, turn it into a two-horse race? | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Absolutely. Ditch the two younger ones, it's too soon for them. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
It'll only screw up their careers. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
That's the spirit, Paula. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
You were never one for sending the lift back down, were you? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
Fuck that, they can use the stairs, like I did. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Anyone else agree that we should lose Kelly and Anna? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Anna, yes. Kelly, no. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
I dunno, I like them all. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
It's so hard, isn't it? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Well, can we all at least agree on keeping Shona? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Everyone seemed to like her. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
Er, yes, just looking at some of the comments, she was "truthful", | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
it was "a remarkable performance", someone said she stole their heart. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
I think we all know who that was. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Jackie said she's always brilliant in every part she plays. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
Yep, again, anointed. She's brilliant in everything, she also wins awards for everything. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
She won for Best Actress last year, didn't she? | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
She did, but that must not affect our decision. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Wait a minute, she won last year? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
I didn't know that. Well, that changes everything. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Yeah, and if I remember rightly, she was hardly in it. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
She won it because she's Shona Andrews and it is completely unacceptable | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
to not give her an award if she's been in a programme that year. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Oh come on, that's not fair, she wins because she's an exceptional talent. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
I'm not denying that, but equally my heart would sink a little bit if I | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
was watching this on telly and she gets up again. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
-He's got a point. -I agree, it's too much. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Oh, guys, this is rubbish. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
All I am saying is can we be the jury that doesn't just hand the award to | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
Shona Andrews simply for existing? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Well, let's take a vote. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
All those in favour of removing Shona from the list. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Well, that's a majority. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Shona is off the list. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Though still a very great honour to be nominated. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
Right, if we could lose one more, that would be great. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Um, let's recap what was said about Anna. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
Rupert wasn't impressed, thought she was another mumbler. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Clive said she was fantastic, great authenticity. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Gordon thought she was out of her depth. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Clive then changed his mind and agreed with Gordon. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
-I'm allowed. -Yeah, she's gone, let's wrap this up. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
You can't hurry this, these are such important decisions. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Yeah, cos I can't wait to find out who won Constructed Reality(!) | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Right, well, let's put it this way, then. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Does anybody think Anna gave the best performance? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
In that case, she's another worthy nominee, but not our winner. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
So, it comes down to these two. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Dame Dorothy, "a national treasure", "twinkly", stole Paula's heart, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:32 | |
and Kelly also stole Paula's heart. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
-They all did. -"Very moving", "flat-chested" - not sure that's really relevant. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
A bit soapy, perhaps, but - and this is very important, I think - she did make Jackie and her mum cry. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Well, that just about nails it, then. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
So, can we take a quick show of hands, just to get the temperature of the room? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
All those for Kelly. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
GORDON DRUMS AND CLICKS FINGERS | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
And for Dame Dorothy? | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
So, both ladies have three votes each. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Oh, Jesus Christ, I just requested my Uber. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
Can we not call them ladies, please? It's really patronising. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
-What are they then, kangaroos? -They're actors. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-Well, actresses. -I don't like that either. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
OK, you know what? I switch. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
-Sorry? -Who did I vote for? | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
Just change it to the other one. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
All right, so now it's four to Kelly and two to Dorothy. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
You can't do that, Paula, that's unfair. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
-Watch me. -Well, hold on, if she's changing to Kelly, I'm changing to Dame Dotty. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
-Oh, for goodness' sake. -So, it's back to three-all. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Yes, I switch to Dorothy as well. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Now that's four to Dorothy and two to Kelly. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
For God's sake, Clive, will you stand on your own two feet? | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
-But I'm agreeing with you. -Well, don't. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
I'm not going to do your script, OK? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
-What? -Blood Oranges, I read it last night. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
-It's just a rehash of Spooks, it's shit. -Well, which bit? I'll change it. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
-All of it. -Well, I switch to Kelly, then. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
You have to respect the process. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
And it's three-all again. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
Can we just do the final vote, please? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Khalid is two minutes away. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Why don't you just give it to Dotty? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
I thought you already had. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
Exactly, his vote shouldn't be counted. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Oh, yes, so that's two to Dorothy and three to Kelly. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
What a load of bollocks. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
If you don't want the professional opinion, 50 years' experience, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
you may as well ask some witless couch potato who they want to win. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
Well, we do have Jackie with us. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
Jackie, is there anything you'd like to add to the debate? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
No, it's all right. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Every opinion is valid. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Even yours. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:24 | |
I'm not clever like all of you. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
I didn't realise you had to think about all these other outside things, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
like how old they are, or how many other awards they've won... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
..or who's popular in the industry. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
It's not fair on the ladies - sorry, the actors - | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
to have someone like me passing judgment. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
I think I'm just going to go and leave you all to it, if you don't mind. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
I've made a fool of myself. I'm so sorry. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
Well, that's what happens when you invite the public. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
MESSAGE TONE AND VIBRATION | 0:26:19 | 0:26:20 | |
Right, erm, shall we dish out the electronic devices? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
Remember, these will lock in your final vote. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
As there are only five of you left, there's no chance of a tie. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Well, I've got to go. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
It's been a pleasure. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
If you want a lousy night at the theatre, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
come to the Trafalgar Studios next month | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
and help me drown my sorrows in the bar afterwards. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Yes, I'd love to do that. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
We should swap numbers. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
Well, I've got a screening to get to, so, er... | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
..keep up the good work, everyone. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Can't wait to see what you all do next. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Anyone fancy a swift debriefing session down at the Coach and Horses? Gordon? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
No, thanks. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
If Shona Andrews passes, let's try Kelly Marsden. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
I'll come. Er, I've not got much cash on me at the moment. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Typical bloody writer, I'll treat you. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
There's actually a part in Blood Oranges you would be perfect for, if you wouldn't mind reading it. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
-Oh, yes? -It's a 30-year-old Japanese woman at the moment, but I don't mind changing it... | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
Sorry, forgot my phone. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Oh, Jackie. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
I hope that wasn't too bruising for you. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
These artistic types can be fairly temperamental, as I'm sure you're aware. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
So, do you know who won? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Yes, and I think you'll be satisfied. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
Let's just say they voted with their hearts rather than their heads, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
and part of that is down to you, so well done. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
Cheerio. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
No, Giles. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
It's because I'm the best actress. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 |