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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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Hello, I'm Frank Skinner, and welcome to Room 101,

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the show where three guests battle to get the things they hate

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entombed for all eternity in the dreaded vault.

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They'll have to argue their case well

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because in each round, only one item can be chosen.

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The final decision is mine. Let's meet this week's guests.

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Joining me tonight are Peep Show David Mitchell,

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sheep show Anita Rani,

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and "Can you show me the way to the friends and family box?"

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Judy Murray.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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I dream of the friends and family box, Judy.

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It must be great in there.

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-It's a very stressful place to be.

-Is it?

-Yeah.

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And if you're going in there, you have to learn how to do this.

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LAUGHTER

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Yeah. You do that so well, though.

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Thanks. I've been practising for years.

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Yes, you've had them whitened and everything.

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OK.

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BELL DINGS Let's get ready to grumble.

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And first of all, I want to find out what is winding up David Mitchell.

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Yes, it's, er...people...

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LAUGHTER

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People who get annoyed when you don't remember them.

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I would like them to go in the room.

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OK.

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Whoever the hell they are.

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LAUGHTER

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APPLAUSE

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That was beautiful. It started like rain on a roof, but then...

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LAUGHTER

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It grew on them.

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Look, I'm not saying it's good to not remember

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someone who you've met before, and if you don't remember someone,

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obviously, you should try and conceal it.

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I accept that. You know, if you can't remember someone's name,

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or you're not sure if you've met them at all, or whatever.

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Just, you know... nod and smile, say, "Nice to see you."

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Don't make it obvious.

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You know, it's out there.

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You've met this person before, and you haven't remembered them.

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Now, I've not been remembered by people,

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and I've never made a thing of it.

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I don't think there's any point in making a thing of it,

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because something has happened,

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somewhere deep in the workings of someone's brain,

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and there's nothing to be done about it.

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The remembering has not happened.

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In fact, the person who's angry that I haven't remembered,

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I've only got their word for it that I've met them at all.

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LAUGHTER

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But, you know, nevertheless, I DO believe them,

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because I am quite a thoughtless, forgetful person.

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But why get angry with something that my brain

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has unconsciously failed to do? What am I supposed to do about it?

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Go back in time to the moment when I supposedly met this person and then,

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sort of, do some homework afterwards?

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Revise people I bumped into at that party,

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so that when I meet them next time, I'll go,

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"Oh, yes, hello, Steve," or whatever?

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No, that's not workable.

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Leave me alone.

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LAUGHTER

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It's like shouting at children for not being clever enough.

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There's no point in getting annoyed.

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There's no point saying, "I wish your brain was structured

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"in a kinder, more caring way."

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That's just not the way social interaction between humans works.

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We don't address head on the issue

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of whether a person is more or less nice...

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LAUGHTER

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So I say, if someone doesn't remember you, live with it,

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be bitter inside, don't get outwardly annoyed.

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APPLAUSE

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I took my mother-in-law to A&E a couple of weeks ago,

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and a nurse was dealing with me, and this porter said,

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"He's off the telly."

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And she said, "Is it, really?"

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And she was staring at me. It's a bit embarrassing.

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And then she said, "What's your name? I'll Google you."

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Oh, God!

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LAUGHTER

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So I gave her my name and waited.

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And she said...

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"Do you host Room 101?"

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And I said, "Yeah, I do."

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And she said, "That's one of my favourite programmes."

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LAUGHTER

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How are you with names, Judy?

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I've become quite good at pretending I remember people,

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and I just say, "Hi, there."

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I was in Blackpool a couple of years ago with Sunetra Sarker,

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who's an actress on Casualty, and this woman was coming towards us,

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she stopped rigid in front of us, and she said, "I know you."

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And luckily she wasn't pointing at me, she was pointing at Sunetra,

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and she goes, "Do you remember ME?" And she was quite aggressive.

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And Sunetra says, "No, I'm terribly sorry, I don't."

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And the woman said, "I know where I know you from - prison!"

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LAUGHTER

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And was there a little bit of doubt in your mind?

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No, we just ran away.

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I was doing a book signing, and a woman came up...

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My family was there, and a woman came up and said,

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"I don't know if you remember me - we had a one-night stand in 1997."

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-You see, THAT'S polite.

-Yeah.

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Well, I definitely said thank you.

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You know, she's saying...

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I won't speculate as to whether it's accurate or not -

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but she's saying you've had sex, but even so,

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she's polite enough to think

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that maybe you've forgotten the encounter.

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I think that's extremely well-mannered.

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And she's attached a year to it as well, so she's given me some...

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I'm able to narrow it down.

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Yeah!

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It's like Google Earth - I'll just close it in just a little bit.

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I'm with you - why get offended by it?

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If it was me, I'd feel bad that you didn't remember me,

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rather than feeling annoyed that you didn't remember me.

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Yeah, I mean, there's an onus on a person

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to be at least slightly memorable.

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Yeah.

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So...

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Don't get angry at me that you're so forgettable.

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Get angry at your personality, and the world.

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You know, it's not my fault.

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Sometimes you remember people for being horrible.

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Yes. Everyone remembered Hitler's name.

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Yeah. LAUGHTER

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Yeah. Just the surname we've got, but, yeah.

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LAUGHTER

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Yeah, just call him Herr Hitler -

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don't let on that you can't remember his first name!

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Here's an aide-memoire that a wife put together for a husband.

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This is a sign that she left on the door so he didn't forget his lunch.

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LAUGHTER

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What I find regrettable there is she obviously has decided her husband

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is just obsessed with breasts and vaginas, and yet...

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Hold on, where's the vagina?

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-Because the down...

-That's an arrow. That's a downward arrow.

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Oh... Oh, you...

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Oh, I see. I saw...

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LAUGHTER

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I assumed...

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What I was thinking

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is she was thinking he would look first at the breasts,

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and then downwards towards the groin.

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There you go - there's no point in hiding it now,

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it has been televised.

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I would like to say, however, that on no level

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do I associate the word "lunch" with the word "vagina".

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APPLAUSE

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OK, let's see what is winding up Judy Murray.

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-Sniffing.

-Sniffing - there's a lot of it in showbusiness.

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I can't stand sniffing.

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LAUGHTER

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Anyone who sniffs, especially if they sniff constantly,

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is going straight in Room 101, and it'd better be soundproofed.

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I sat on a flight on the way down here

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beside a guy who sniffed constantly.

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And I started off looking at him with my best death stare,

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which I usually reserve for people like Novak Djokovic.

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Judy, can you show me your evil stare?

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LAUGHTER

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-Wow! That's a good one.

-And it didn't make any difference.

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And I've always hated sniffing,

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but when you're sitting in close proximity,

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and especially when you're on a flight and you can't move,

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it's just horrendous.

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So eventually, I go into my bag,

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because I always keep a pack of tissues in my bag,

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because of my sniffing...problem.

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LAUGHTER

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And I said, "Would you like a tissue?"

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You actually said that?

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Yeah. Because it drives me...

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I mean, I don't want to know what's going on up that guy's nose.

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And why don't you just blow your nose?

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Why don't you just get it out?

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And I don't want your germs, either.

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But it's... No, sniffing.

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Can't stand it. Get in that room. Now.

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I can, er... SLIGHT APPLAUSE

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I can... One person.

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LAUGHTER

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Everyone else is breathing very carefully.

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LAUGHTER

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If you're sniffing, I will hear you.

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I've had catarrh since I was about 12, I think. I've always had it.

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So when I heard there was going to be a Qatar World Cup,

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I thought...

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LAUGHTER

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"I should enter that!"

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They have a thing in Japan, erm...

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called the Hay Fever Hat - have you ever heard of that?

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It just so happens I have one here.

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LAUGHTER

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And if you have hay fever, and are in a sniffy situation...

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LAUGHTER

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This is real.

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This is honestly real.

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So...erm... So you...

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What you don't want to do is fall asleep in a public lavatory.

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LAUGHTER

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Which, erm...I haven't done for many years now.

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That used to be my weekend thing.

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If you're sneezing, you just pull this down...

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HE BLOWS HIS NOSE

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..and, erm...

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tear that off.

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I can put that in my pocket, and stuff.

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There's never any excuse for sniffing.

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I don't know if you'd be allowed on a plane in it.

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It should be mandatory for anybody who has a cold.

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Yeah. And if we all wore them, then no-one would think it was,

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you know, particularly...

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..particularly odd.

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LAUGHTER

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So that's the Hay Fever Hat.

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Tremendous!

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I think what's worse than sniffing

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-is when people wipe their snot with their sleeve, you know?

-Yes.

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I think that's worse.

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Sniffing - if you've got no tissue, what do you do?

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It's like, oh, er...

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-But that is...

-I'd rather they did that than sniff.

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-Oh, right.

-Would you really?

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It comes in handy for falconry.

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LAUGHTER

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You've got, like, a solid crust for the talons.

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What do you think of this for a piece of nasal activity

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from the world of international tennis, Judy?

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LAUGHTER

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APPLAUSE

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-At least he didn't sniff.

-No!

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LAUGHTER

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No.

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He'd run out of bananas that day and needed some protein.

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The handkerchief was quite a big element in lovemaking

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in the 19th century.

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It's still a fairly big element in lovemaking in my house.

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It's very lonely at the top.

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But I've got a list here of some of the things...

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So a lady would carry a handkerchief,

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probably a more delicate handkerchief than this,

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and then there are certain...

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So if she dragged it across her cheek like this...

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..that means "I love you." That was what that symbolised.

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So that's one of them.

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The other one is this one, which means "I love another."

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-Stroll on, mate.

-"I love another" or "I would love another," as in...

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..a bun or pint, you know.

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"We're dying of thirst over here."

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And then this one,

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which means, "I can't meet you, I'm going on holiday."

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APPLAUSE

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I'm going to have one last chance to win you over,

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and I think this is a bit special.

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"TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR" PLAYS ON RECORDER

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LAUGHTER

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TUNE PLAYS TO END

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Whoa!

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APPLAUSE

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I mean, I think, musically,

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I think the man has to take some of the credit.

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LAUGHTER

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OK, so, what is upsetting Anita?

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Walking and eating.

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Particularly if it's a burger, or a kebab, or a pasty,

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or something else that can just flop around.

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You see people at lunchtime walking around with their lunch,

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cos they're so busy that they are on the go,

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"Oh, I haven't got time to sit down.

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"I've just got to eat a sandwich and drink a coffee at the same time,

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"and try and get to my next meeting."

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It's just nonsense. Just sit down.

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Take five minutes, and eat your lunch.

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Just have some food.

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Because food, to me, is more than just sustenance.

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It's one of the pleasures of life.

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Food is the reason I get up in the morning, cos I think,

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"Oh, what am I going to have for breakfast?"

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And then I think, "Great, lunch is on its way."

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And then, "Fantastic! Dinner is round the corner!"

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And it's just that pleasure of sitting down, eating,

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taking your time, and enjoying food.

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So, walking and eating is this sort of dismissive,

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casual attitude to life that I think deserves to go in there forever.

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That's how strongly I feel about it.

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APPLAUSE

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Sorry.

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We have a picture of you here in the street, Anita.

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LAUGHTER

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So it's all right if you've got some poor minion

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holding the stuff for you.

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LAUGHTER

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What about ice creams?

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Are they allowed?

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An ice cream cone?

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You have to go and sit down?

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LAUGHTER

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You have to get a napkin?

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Well, there is...

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Do you have to eat it with a knife and fork?

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LAUGHTER

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It's just that it drips down your hand, and you're like...

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and then you can't finish it.

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I mean, it's just complicated, isn't it?

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Yes, it's complicated - that's what childhood is for.

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Learning how to eat an ice cream

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in a way that doesn't drip down your hand,

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and it doesn't make the cone go soggy.

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No, make the child sit down and eat that ice cream

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before they have to walk along the beach is what I say.

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I'm just going to take it to the nth degree. Even chips.

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Even chips, you have to sit down and eat.

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If I'm going to put it in there, let's just go all out.

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-A lolly.

-Even a lolly.

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Sit down, eat it with a spoon.

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LAUGHTER

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You're not getting up until you've finished it.

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Have you seen the Japanese napkin mask?

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-No.

-This is what they use in Japan

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if someone's eating a burger or whatever.

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They put it in a little paper holder.

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That is a picture of a face.

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If you saw the other side of that napkin,

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there'd be a burger in it, like that.

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So if I wanted to eat this in the street

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and people not see me salivating and stuff,

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then I would...

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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Not bad.

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In Japan, there's a whole thing about eating in a solitary way.

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I think if you go to a Japanese restaurant

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and ask for the best table, they'll put you in a tiny little corner

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and there's restaurants you can go to

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or they're kind of quick-eating joints

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where you just sit and it's a booth for just one and a latch opens

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and a bowl of noodles comes out and you just sit there

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with nobody watching you so you can just eat privately.

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I quite like that idea. Maybe we should just...

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-Yeah, I quite like that.

-Yeah.

-That sounds quite good.

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Just in your own cubicle, stuffing your face.

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No-one can see you, exactly!

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You could just take a burger into a public toilet.

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This is a thing, it's called the Portable Pizza Pouch,

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and you wear it around your neck...

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LAUGHTER

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..so you've always got a piece.

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You know when you're out and you really need a piece of pizza,

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when you're out walking.

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What worries me, there seems to be an element

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of "Here's my private parts" about it.

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You know, it's like an arrow.

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Is he pointing to lunch?

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I've got one. I'll tell you one thing I do really like about it.

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And I worked out that if you, er...

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Bear with me.

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LAUGHTER

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If you, er...

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Just a second.

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RECORDING: # Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Hitler

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# If you think we're on the run?

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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# We are the boys who will stop your little game

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# We are the boys who will make you think again... #

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I love this job! LAUGHTER

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# ..Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Hitler... # FRANK: Oh, sorry.

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# If you think old... #

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That's that.

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LAUGHTER

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I'm not going to put this into Room 101

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because what about the homeless, for a start-off?

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I saw a guy eating banana skins out of a wheelie bin.

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Was he supposed to push that to the nearest picnic area?

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LAUGHTER

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Erm...

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Now, this one is a bit more difficult.

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I do find the sniffing thing really, really annoying,

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and I'm a big champion of the handkerchief,

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and would like to see that make a comeback.

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I think people, probably, will always get upset

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if you forget their names, and, let's face it, it can happen.

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LAUGHTER

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So, you know what, I am going to put sniffing into Room 101.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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And so to the next round, and to Judy's choice.

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Inane motorway signs.

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Well, there is nothing worse than driving along,

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and suddenly there's a huge sign in front of you on the motorway,

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which distracts you for a start,

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and maybe because I don't like being told what to do,

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it really annoys me when I see a sign

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that is of no use to me whatsoever,

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that says something like, "Don't take drugs and drive."

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Are you kidding me? I'm already driving.

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That is of no use to me whatsoever.

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LAUGHTER

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Almost as bad as that are the roadwork signs

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that they've been experimenting with,

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and they've been designed by a psychologist

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to help drivers cope with the stress of being stuck in roadworks.

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So they're kind of empathetic signs that say things like,

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"Say no to tailgating."

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LAUGHTER

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"Drive carefully - somebody loves you."

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What?

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What?

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-That's a very big assumption, isn't it?

-Are you kidding me?

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How do you know that anybody loves me?

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I'm not sure that anybody does.

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-But anyway...

-AUDIENCE:

-Aww...

-Kidding!

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I've seen that one, "Don't take drugs and drive."

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I wonder, are the people actually going,

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"It's a bit late now, isn't it?"

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That's how much I know about drug taking.

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I think people who take drugs...

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Just as an example, here's a sort of standard one

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that we've probably all seen, which is there.

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"Keep your distance,"

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which I've always thought would make a lovely lapel badge.

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LAUGHTER

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Erm... Not drugs, but we have an alcohol-based one which I...

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You'll identify with this.

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LAUGHTER

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"After whisky, driving is risky."

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It's not out of the question.

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LAUGHTER

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It reminds me of when I was a young man,

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people used to say stuff like, "Whisky makes you frisky."

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"Brandy makes you randy." And all that stuff.

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What I needed was a drink that rhymed with "totally impotent."

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LAUGHTER

0:21:060:21:08

What about this for the most indiscreet traffic sign ever?

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LAUGHTER

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Oh, brilliant!

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There seems to be more and more.

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I'd certainly agree with that.

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And one that annoys me is you drive into a place,

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and it just says, "slow down."

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And they've got no idea what a tight schedule I run to.

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Or indeed, how quickly you're going.

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That's the thing. Don't try and get inside people's heads.

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What if you were going at a dangerously slow speed?

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They'd need to say, "Speed up!

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"Someone's going to ram in the back of you."

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It should just say, "Drive at the appropriate speed", and then they'd realise,

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we don't need this sign, that's obvious.

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LAUGHTER

0:21:570:21:58

Just say, "Don't be a dick."

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LAUGHTER

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APPLAUSE

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OK, then, what's upsetting Anita Rani?

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Clutter.

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Yeah. Stuff, really.

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The amount of stuff that we have these days.

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I've moved house quite a few times,

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and every time I move house, I move into a slightly bigger place,

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and I just seem to get more and more stuff.

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And now I've got to a stage where I feel like

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I can't see the wood for the trees.

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Because not only have I got all this stuff, half of it is obsolete,

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I don't really need it any more.

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So I actually did this thing recently, because I read -

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not that I'm into self-help books,

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but there was a book about decluttering.

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So I read it, thought, "OK, let's give it a go."

0:22:450:22:47

Is this The Magic Of Tidying, by any chance?

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I don't know. It's by Mari Kondo, the Japanese woman.

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Yes, it's The Magic Of Tidying.

0:22:530:22:55

Exactly. And she basically says, get everything out of your...

0:22:550:22:58

you start with the clothes, so that's what I started with.

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Put everything on the floor, and then take each item of clothing,

0:23:000:23:03

feel it, and if it means something to you,

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put it back in your wardrobe.

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Like if you feel like, "Yes, this makes me feel something..."

0:23:070:23:10

So I did it, and it worked.

0:23:100:23:11

And she says put all the other stuff in bin liners and I've got this fantastic wardrobe now

0:23:110:23:15

where I open my wardrobe and I feel joy, I'm like,

0:23:150:23:18

"Yeah, I can see the clothes!"

0:23:180:23:19

Before, just so many clothes, oh...

0:23:190:23:22

And still you think, "I've got nothing, I don't know what to wear."

0:23:220:23:24

Now I see these clothes, and it's like, "OK, yes,

0:23:240:23:26

"I can see that shirt will go with those trousers."

0:23:260:23:28

Except now I've got a problem when I've got a room full of bin liners.

0:23:280:23:32

LAUGHTER

0:23:320:23:33

I just always think when I tidy up,

0:23:340:23:36

I'm going to find something really interesting I didn't know I'd got.

0:23:360:23:39

Last time, for example, in the spare bedroom, there was a fitted carpet.

0:23:390:23:44

LAUGHTER

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Exactly!

0:23:460:23:48

We have a tweet of yours, actually, making the same point.

0:23:480:23:51

Even your tweets are cluttered.

0:24:010:24:02

Cluttered!

0:24:020:24:04

You've got to use it until you run out of characters, don't you?

0:24:040:24:08

What have you done with the self-help book?

0:24:080:24:10

Still cluttering the place up?

0:24:110:24:13

That's the one thing I can't get rid of.

0:24:130:24:15

Maybe it's because I have a problem with just buying too much stuff.

0:24:150:24:17

Because I know that my life would be so much easier if I didn't have it.

0:24:170:24:20

All of it. How many face creams do I need?

0:24:200:24:23

Nine.

0:24:230:24:24

I've got a lot of face creams. I've got at least nine.

0:24:240:24:27

-That's a guess.

-At least.

0:24:270:24:28

I threw out a load of stuff, and I've started buying...

0:24:280:24:32

buying it back on eBay!

0:24:320:24:35

I used to collect, you know those magazines that make encyclopaedias.

0:24:350:24:39

Story Of Pop was one that I had, and I got rid of years ago,

0:24:390:24:43

and I bought it back recently from eBay.

0:24:430:24:46

And it was great to have it back in the house.

0:24:460:24:48

That was a year ago, I haven't opened it, but it's there.

0:24:480:24:50

LAUGHTER

0:24:500:24:52

OK.

0:24:520:24:53

So what's upsetting David Mitchell?

0:24:530:24:54

Sugar lumps.

0:25:010:25:02

You take a commodity that people want to decide how much they want,

0:25:050:25:09

and you congeal it in such a way as to prescribe a minimum dose.

0:25:090:25:15

You don't get that with ketchup.

0:25:150:25:17

You can have as much ketchup on, or as little as you like.

0:25:170:25:19

You don't have to put a minimum of that-sized clod of it.

0:25:190:25:23

Sugar exists as a powder in a granulated form -

0:25:230:25:27

why turn it into lumps?

0:25:270:25:29

What are you doing? You're only limiting its usage,

0:25:290:25:31

you're not extending its usage.

0:25:310:25:34

So... There you go, sugar lumps, why do they exist?

0:25:340:25:37

Stop doing it. Stop congealing sugar into lumps.

0:25:370:25:43

LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

0:25:430:25:47

I don't know why it exists, actually.

0:25:480:25:51

And, do you know, one argument you could make,

0:25:510:25:54

let me play devil's advocate, and I mean devil's.

0:25:540:25:56

They're devils, these people!

0:25:560:25:58

..is you could say it's a useful way to take, you know, an amount of sugar.

0:25:580:26:04

You can then hold it, such as a sugar sachet.

0:26:040:26:08

And obviously, a sugar sachet, that involves paper,

0:26:080:26:11

that's worse for the environment.

0:26:110:26:13

However, there exists, and I have seen this,

0:26:130:26:16

and the people who make these are the real Satans of the world.

0:26:160:26:20

Sugar lumps in sachets!

0:26:200:26:23

LAUGHTER

0:26:230:26:25

A lump of sugar in a little plastic...

0:26:250:26:28

Why is THAT allowed to exist?

0:26:280:26:30

What's the point of that? The only defence for the lump,

0:26:310:26:36

the sugar lump that allows bowls of sugar in cafes to get dirtier

0:26:360:26:40

and, "Oh, I'll have that one. Oh, that's a bit of a wonky one."

0:26:400:26:44

This disgusting thing!

0:26:440:26:46

The only defence is a certain level of convenience.

0:26:460:26:49

And then someone decides, well, actually,

0:26:490:26:52

let's take the sachet that also provides that level of convenience

0:26:520:26:55

and put a lump in it.

0:26:550:26:56

These aren't sugar sachets that have been left in the wet or something,

0:26:570:27:00

this is a deliberately formed sugar lump put in a sachet.

0:27:000:27:05

LAUGHTER

0:27:050:27:06

Can you imagine anything more diabolical?

0:27:060:27:09

APPLAUSE

0:27:120:27:14

I think with sugar lumps, probably,

0:27:160:27:21

every sugar lump in a bowl in a cafe

0:27:210:27:25

has been handled by at least 60 to 100 toddlers.

0:27:250:27:28

You're preaching to the converted, but what I'm saying is,

0:27:280:27:31

if you've decided, "OK, sugar lumps are disgusting,

0:27:310:27:34

"let's put sugar in sachets to limit small amounts of it" - why?

0:27:340:27:38

Why?

0:27:380:27:39

Render the sugar into a lump before you put it in a sachet?

0:27:390:27:45

Why?

0:27:450:27:46

Because then the toddler germs won't get on the sugar lump

0:27:460:27:50

you want to use.

0:27:500:27:52

But, no. But, but...

0:27:520:27:53

LAUGHTER

0:27:530:27:55

You... But the unlumpened sugar has the same sweetening effect!

0:27:550:28:00

LAUGHTER

0:28:000:28:01

You don't need to turn it into a lump!

0:28:010:28:03

You can just put it in a sachet!

0:28:030:28:05

The toddlers can't touch it,

0:28:050:28:07

you can have half of it if you don't want the whole thing.

0:28:070:28:10

Everyone wins.

0:28:100:28:11

How do they stick it together? The lump?

0:28:110:28:14

God knows!

0:28:140:28:15

LAUGHTER

0:28:150:28:17

I've heard they get Chinese children to cry.

0:28:190:28:22

LAUGHTER

0:28:220:28:25

But you need sugar lumps to be able to feed sugar to horses.

0:28:270:28:31

Well...

0:28:320:28:34

You may have hit upon the only use for the sugar lump.

0:28:340:28:37

But, firstly,

0:28:370:28:39

the instances of equine diabetes are through the roof.

0:28:390:28:46

And secondly, I'm sure we could design some sort of spoon

0:28:460:28:50

for feeding sugar to horses.

0:28:500:28:53

Or a tube. We know they can blow out, they can probably...

0:28:530:28:56

Yeah, we could give the horse a kind of...

0:28:560:28:58

We don't want horses snorting sugar!

0:28:590:29:02

The other argument you could make in favour of the sugar lump,

0:29:030:29:07

but you wouldn't, unless, you know, came from hell.

0:29:070:29:09

Another argument you could make is that it saves on, you know,

0:29:090:29:14

washing a piece of cutlery, because you don't need a spoon.

0:29:140:29:17

You can just plop it in. You'll need a spoon to stir.

0:29:170:29:19

But you shouldn't use the same spoon to spoon sugar in as to stir.

0:29:190:29:22

That makes you a monster.

0:29:220:29:24

They have those little tongs, though.

0:29:250:29:27

The days of those tongs are gone now. Hardly...

0:29:270:29:29

Not in Dunblane.

0:29:290:29:31

Really? The last bastion of the sugar tong!

0:29:310:29:36

If you're saying the only way to make the lumps hygienic

0:29:360:29:40

is to use tongs, then you're not saving on cutlery at all.

0:29:400:29:43

That got you.

0:29:450:29:46

LAUGHTER

0:29:460:29:48

But as you pointed out, tongs are on the way out.

0:29:480:29:52

And I, for one, would like to save the tong.

0:29:520:29:55

I've got, in my house, I have sugar tongs.

0:29:550:29:58

I have a coal fire with tongs.

0:29:580:30:01

Any excuse to use tongs. I run a small men's clinic.

0:30:010:30:04

LAUGHTER

0:30:040:30:07

I would be sad to see the end of the tong.

0:30:070:30:11

And if you get rid of sugar lumps,

0:30:110:30:12

that is going to be a major blow to the tong industry.

0:30:120:30:15

You're going to keep the sugar lump to save the tongs?

0:30:150:30:18

Yeah.

0:30:180:30:19

This is madness.

0:30:190:30:21

My mum, every time she made a cup of tea,

0:30:220:30:25

she'd put two spoons of sugar in it, and if we had visitors,

0:30:250:30:28

she'd give them the tea and say, "Do you take sugar?"

0:30:280:30:31

And if they said "No," she'd say, "Don't stir it!"

0:30:310:30:34

LAUGHTER

0:30:340:30:37

I swear, I swear to you, I didn't make that up.

0:30:380:30:42

OK, so...

0:30:420:30:43

This is tough. I think you're so right about all this.

0:30:430:30:48

I would only say there are inane road signs,

0:30:480:30:51

but when I'm driving on my own, I'm just glad of something to read.

0:30:510:30:54

So I'm going to keep that in.

0:30:540:30:57

The sugar lump, as I say, as a champion of the tong,

0:30:570:31:00

I just can't...

0:31:000:31:03

Cos there's nothing left.

0:31:030:31:05

The tongs are no good to you if the sugar lump's in a sachet!

0:31:050:31:08

Unless you have tiny little sachet scissors.

0:31:100:31:12

LAUGHTER

0:31:120:31:14

But I have to say, this is something I've never really thought of,

0:31:150:31:19

but clutter, I think, is a really bad thing.

0:31:190:31:22

Just endless clutter all over the place.

0:31:220:31:24

So I am going to put clutter into Room 101.

0:31:240:31:28

APPLAUSE

0:31:280:31:31

Now, we just have time for a quick bonus choice

0:31:370:31:40

so let's have a look at David's bonus choice.

0:31:400:31:44

Cajun food is upsetting me.

0:31:510:31:54

I don't see the need of it.

0:31:540:31:57

Now, I believe Cajun food is supposedly from Louisiana. Fine.

0:31:590:32:05

I'm sure if you go to Louisiana, great. Have Cajun food there. Fine.

0:32:050:32:09

That doesn't have to go in Room 101, as far as I'm concerned.

0:32:090:32:12

The thing I've got a problem with

0:32:120:32:14

is Cajun items showing up on random generic menus,

0:32:140:32:20

often of chain restaurants, in this country

0:32:200:32:23

because no-one wants it.

0:32:230:32:25

No-one ever goes to a restaurant thinking, "Oh, do you know what?

0:32:250:32:29

"I fancy something Cajun."

0:32:290:32:31

No-one... There are no, you will notice, no purely Cajun restaurants.

0:32:310:32:37

It's obviously a cuisine that doesn't stretch to an entire menu.

0:32:370:32:41

LAUGHTER

0:32:410:32:42

And I have a theory about Cajun food

0:32:420:32:45

in the modern British chain restaurant.

0:32:450:32:48

They don't employ the best chefs available

0:32:480:32:51

so what they need to do is turn out stuff

0:32:510:32:55

that's vaguely been cuisined

0:32:550:32:57

and an easy way of turning a random bit of salmon out of a packet

0:32:570:33:01

into apparently a dish is to say it's Cajun

0:33:010:33:05

and you can say it's Cajun

0:33:050:33:07

if a pot of sauce has been used to smear it with some brown stuff.

0:33:070:33:12

"There you go, right, it's Cajun.

0:33:120:33:15

"We've done cookery to it."

0:33:150:33:17

I think it's cheating. It's not proper cuisine.

0:33:180:33:21

The market hasn't asked for it,

0:33:210:33:22

popular demand has not demanded it, but there it is on our menus

0:33:220:33:27

and some people - and I pity them - are sort of dutifully ordering it.

0:33:270:33:32

"Yes, this appears to be sustenance."

0:33:320:33:36

It's a good point that I've never really...

0:33:360:33:38

I'm sure I have ordered Cajun.

0:33:380:33:41

Did you really fancy a spot of Cajun,

0:33:410:33:43

that Cajun flavour you so love?

0:33:430:33:47

"Ooh, do you know what will hit the spot now? Something Cajun.

0:33:470:33:51

"Don't care what it is."

0:33:510:33:53

I do think that "o-Cajun-ly".

0:33:530:33:55

LAUGHTER AND GROANS

0:33:550:33:57

APPLAUSE

0:33:570:33:59

If there's any Cajun people watching,

0:33:590:34:01

if you call them that, they...

0:34:010:34:03

No, it's a cuisine. It's not a race or nationality.

0:34:030:34:07

No, but it is French people who went to Louisiana and...

0:34:070:34:12

There's Cajun music. I have some Cajun music here.

0:34:120:34:14

CAJUN MUSIC PLAYS

0:34:140:34:17

LAUGHTER

0:34:210:34:23

-MUSIC STOPS

-Yeah, it's generic and forgettable.

0:34:270:34:31

LAUGHTER

0:34:310:34:33

I quite like it. I wouldn't want it for a ringtone, but it's all right.

0:34:330:34:36

It doesn't make me think of a fitted kitchen and chefs.

0:34:360:34:39

It makes me think of people cooking squirrels with a magnifying glass.

0:34:390:34:44

But you're quite right. I would struggle to identify the cuisine.

0:34:460:34:52

There's two famous Cajun dishes.

0:34:520:34:55

There's jambalaya, which you never see in a chain restaurant,

0:34:550:35:00

and gumbo.

0:35:000:35:02

Do you remember Gumbo,

0:35:020:35:03

that film about the elephant with the big gums?

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And they tried to incorporate these enormous gums into the act,

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they used them as crash barriers in the go-karting

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and then in the end, he dies of gingivitis.

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Well, this is Soul-Full Cajun Pasta

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and it says "Mardi Gras in your mouth"...

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LAUGHTER Is the slogan,

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which is a horrible thought.

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I just think of those high-cut leotards and women in plumage.

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HE GAGS

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But this is just, I think, the sort of thing you're talking about.

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I don't know what the cuisine is in this...

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CAJUN MUSIC PLAYS

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LAUGHTER

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MUSIC STOPS

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We've got some odd foodstuffs which have been spotted in supermarkets

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and on menus, all of which would be hard to identify as a cuisine.

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Here's the first.

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That one, number 12.

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"Strange flavored chicken"!

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It's more honest, though, isn't it?

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That's the sort of...

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I think it's always unwise when writing a menu

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-just to taste the food and then describe it.

-Yeah!

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A menu should be what the food aspires to be,

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rather than what it actually is.

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Yes, I don't think the next one... This is a pizza.

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See that at the top?

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LAUGHTER

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And, without doubt, the strangest one, from mainland Europe.

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Ooh!

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LAUGHTER

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One of those where you could do a three-year course

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to try and work out how that happened.

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-So you would never order Cajun yourself?

-No, I wouldn't, no.

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I seem to have memories of eating Cajun and it was OK.

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And that's the best of it?

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LAUGHTER

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-I'm not claiming that it's inedible.

-No.

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I'm saying that nobody particularly likes or wants it

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or I think, in many of the cases

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where it's served, really knows what it is.

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I'll put in this category as well,

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even though it's not a Cajun food, potato skins.

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No-one wants potato skins.

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We've been told endlessly that potato skins are this amazing treat.

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Everyone would rather have chips or mash or crisps or roast potatoes.

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Potato skins are no-one's favourite, but do you know what,

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they're really easy for an idiot to cook.

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Anyway, it's a bonus choice so it doesn't matter what I think.

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It is going into Room 101.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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And that brings us to the end of the show, and well done, Judy,

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you were the most persuasive guest, so you are this week's winner!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Thanks very much, David Mitchell, Judy Murray and Anita Rani.

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And thank you, good night.

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CHEERING

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