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For years now, I've been on a crusade to combat your consumer woes.

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But there are still companies out there who aren't taking the hint.

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Big companies only care about money.

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On a daily basis, thousands of you are being taken for a ride, and it's always the same old stuff -

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bad customer service, poor products, dodgy workmanship

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and those dreaded terms and conditions.

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Big companies don't show the respect to the consumers.

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These dismal dealings can drive you to despair, leaving you feeling abused and confused.

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But fear not...

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because I'll take them on to make sure you don't get done.

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Coming up on today's show...

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A pensioner that was cold-called by an insurance reclaim company,

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leaving her out of pocket and out of patience...

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This is legal and binding, legal and binding.

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I thought you had to sign a contract with people

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before it was legal and binding.

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..a painting-and-decorating whistle-blower exposes the darker shade of the industry...

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The rogues are literally just trying to earn a fast buck, get on to the next job

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and that's all they're interested in.

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..and we see if you've got the inside track when it comes to your consumer rights.

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I will use that one in the future.

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You'd have had to be living on another planet to have not heard about payment protection insurance,

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but let me explain what it is and how it works with the aid of my friend here, Zoe.

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Give everyone a wave, Zoe.

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Now, let's assume Zoe took out a large loan to buy a car. You like your car, don't you, Zoe?

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REVVING

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Zoe was quite happy making repayments on that car while she was working.

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But then, one day, fate struck and Zoe fell off her skateboard and had a little bit of a fall.

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Didn't you, Zoe?

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Wow, you really bashed yourself up.

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Doesn't matter, though, because Zoe was sold payment protection insurance,

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which means, while she's getting better, the insurance company will make the repayments on her loan.

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Sadly, though, some people were sold payment protection insurances that they didn't need.

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Naughty.

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But the banks have realised the error of their ways

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and are starting to refund people money on mis-sold payment protection insurance policies.

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And here is where our story starts.

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It's estimated that 2.5 million of us have been mis-sold payment protection insurance, or PPI,

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and that the banks have set aside £4.5 billion waiting to be reclaimed.

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Trouble is, though, when you've got £4.5 billion dangling there as a proverbial carrot,

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of course someone somewhere is going to try to take advantage of that fact.

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And one person who has experienced this is Anne Baduna from North London.

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Until six months ago, Anne was happily living off her modest pension.

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That was until she received a call from a PPI reclaim company.

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I was sitting at home and the phone rang and it's these people from Redress Claims.

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They were insisting that I had so much money to come back from PPIs,

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which I did tell them, I had never had PPIs in my life.

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Many people were sold payment protection insurance without realising it,

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and some were told that they had to take it out in order to secure a loan.

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Some were sold insurance that wasn't valid for their individual circumstances.

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But following a court ruling in 2011, the financial institutions were told to pay this back.

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Redress Claims are one of the many companies that offer to request this money back on customers' behalf,

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and Anne says they told her she could be owed some money.

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But they did keep insisting that they could get me between £3,000 and £9,000.

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Anne says Redress Claims wouldn't take no for an answer and continued calling her,

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asking her to let them take on her case on a no-win, no-fee basis.

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They rang five or six times in a week.

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The people that I spoke to on the phone were very convincing.

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They said that they had 26 lawyers working for them to get this money for me from PPIs,

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Which then you start to think, well, maybe I did have PPIs.

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If this company's got 26 lawyers working for them,

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they must be very confident that they can get this money for you.

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Anne eventually agreed, and Redress Claims told her that, to investigate her case,

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they needed her credit card details, which Anne gave them.

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But instead of receiving a protection windfall of up to £9,000,

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Anne received a nasty shock in the post.

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Well, when I opened the credit card bill, I thought, I can't believe this -

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£2,170 for this company...

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..that was not supposed to cost me

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one penny for investigations has charged me all this money.

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When Anne contacted Redress Claims and asked for her money back,

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she was told she'd entered into a legally binding contract,

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and because the 14-day cooling-off period had passed, she would forfeit 60% of the £2,170 to cancel.

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I had sleepless nights, worrying about this money.

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How was I going to pay this money to my credit card?

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I'm an old age pensioner. I get basic pension,

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and this shouldn't have to happen to anyone,

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all right? This upsets me because it's injustice.

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All the Redress Claims investigations had managed to recover for their £2,000 fee

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is a refund for a £15.50 bank charge.

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And Redress Claims are sticking by their terms and conditions and refused to give her money back.

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So I'm heading up to North London to see if I can get to the bottom of it.

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BUZZER RINGS

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-Oh, hiya.

-Dom, hello.

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'Once inside, I get straight down to business.'

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Tell me about the day these phone calls started.

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Well, they kept ringing me up and saying that I had so much money to come back.

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Between £3,000 and £9,000 was due to me. And I kept insisting that I didn't have any money to come at all.

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So you knew you'd never had payment protection insurance on anything?

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No, nothing whatsoever.

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'Anne tells me she and her husband had paid off their mortgage by 1995'

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and had only taken out two small loans in the last 20 years and had two credit cards they rarely used.

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Now, you got five or six phone calls. Obviously they're trying to get some sort of money from you.

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Tell me what happened there.

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So then they wanted my credit card numbers.

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-And then on the thing I had security number...

-Yeah, on the back.

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..which was absolutely ridiculous, and I gave them my security number.

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OK, I can tell you're not a fool, Anne, you're a very shrewd lady.

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So why did you actually do that? Because you know now it's daft.

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I don't know!

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Well, you tell me, because there's a reason there somewhere.

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I don't know. I think it was I had a house full of people having dinner and one thing or another

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and I've given them my numbers.

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But then after I'd done this I thought, what an idiot, why would you do this?

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These people can do anything. That night I couldn't sleep, thinking about this stupid thing I'd done.

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And I rang my bank to tell them that these people had all the details on my credit card.

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Good for you.

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So the man on the other end said to me,

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"Your cards have been compromised," and I said, "Yes, they have. Just stop them, stop them all."

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And I cut them all up.

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But because Anne had given Redress Claims her card details before she cancelled it,

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they were still able to take the payment.

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Did, at any point, they tell you they were going to take any money, full stop?

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Nothing whatsoever, because this man that I spoke to, he kept saying to me,

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"This will cost you not one penny from your pocket, Mrs Baduna, not one penny."

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No, it didn't cost me one penny. It cost me £2,170.

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But when Anne contacted Redress Claims after they'd taken their fee

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to tell them she didn't want them to investigate her case,

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they told her that she had missed the 14-day cooling-off period

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that began when she entered into a verbal contract with them during a previous phone call.

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This is legal and binding, legal and binding.

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I thought you had to sign a contract with people before it was legal and binding.

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Unfortunately for Anne, it's common misconception that verbal agreements are less legal than paper ones.

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They are not.

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But Anne swears blindly that Redress Claims did not tell her

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they were going to take the fee of £2,170,

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but that they said they would investigate her case on a no-win, no-fee basis.

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Although Redress Claims have managed to get Anne a bank charge refund of £15.50,

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it doesn't even begin to outweigh

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the burden of her unwanted credit card debt.

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You must've addressed this company, phoned up, said, "Give me my money back."

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I did, I did. I rang them up and I said I did not want this PPI investigation thing

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or whatever it was.

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The woman on the telephone said that I could not cancel this off because the cooling-off period

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was two weeks and had passed that.

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-Wow.

-That's gone.

-Yeah.

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And I thought, well, they've got 26 lawyers working for them.

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I'm just an old age pensioner, dear, what chance do you stand? Tell me.

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The more I hear, the more I think establishing exactly what was or wasn't discussed

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in the phone calls between Anne and Redress Claims is key to establishing if I have a case here.

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But for now I want to find out what Anne has done about the £2,170 credit card bill.

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-We're talking about six months ago now.

-That's right. Exactly.

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What's happened now with this money? You're paying it off each month?

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Well, I've paid it and I've got an overdraft at the bank

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because I thought an overdraft in the bank is cheaper than having...

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-Interest on your credit card.

-Yes, that's right. That was my way of reasoning.

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How has this whole experience made you feel?

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Very insecure, Dom. I'm frightened to say yes to anything at all.

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How much worry has it caused you?

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Well, it's caused me a few sleepless nights, especially at first when they took my money.

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Terrible.

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'To help me make head or tail of this mess, I'm going to get Anne

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'to bring her clerical skills out of retirement.'

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-Have you got the paperwork with your credit card number?

-I have, yes.

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Let's have a look at what we've got here.

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'In order to get to the bottom of this one,

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'I'm going to launch a two-pronged attack. Not only am I going to track down Redress Claims

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'and see what they've got to say for themselves, I'm going to also contact Anne's credit card provider.

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'Now, Anne's convinced the payment was made without her authority,

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'and if I can prove that is the case, under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act,

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'Anne's card provider, NatWest, should reimburse her that payment

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'and with poor Anne out of pocket to a tune of over two ground,

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'I'm going to waste no time giving the bank a call.'

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They took out £2,170.

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What I'd like to do is immediately with you raise a dispute

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and start the process of trying to reclaim that money.

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Basically, Anne, I'm going to get you your money back.

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-And I'm certain of it. Don't go booking your next holiday yet.

-Oh, no, I won't.

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'With the ball rolling with Anne's credit card company,

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'it's time for me to hit the road.'

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Anne's the first to admit that she's been a bit daft

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giving her credit card details out to a cold caller,

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but Redress Claims sound like they haven't been too honourable in what they've done.

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So, I'm going to get on the phone to them and see what I can sort out.

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Let me tell you something.

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If anybody cold-called me out of the blue

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and ask for credit card details, I'd tell them to do one.

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'But when I finally catch up with Redress Claims...'

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-'VOICEMAIL MESSAGE'

-What a surprise(!)

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I just wondered if you would have the decency to call us back, please.

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Bye-bye.

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For years now, I've been banging on to you consumers

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about how it pays to know your rights,

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but I never said it'd be easy. There's the Sales of Goods Act,

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right to return, contract of sale... I could go on.

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But a little knowledge will do both you and your wallet a huge favour.

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So, the Don't Get Done team have been out and about

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armed with questions to put to you, the buying public,

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to see how well you know your rights concerning tricky transactions.

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Today we hit the street on a mission to share my wealth of knowledge

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and make you a bit more savvy.

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First question for you busy buyers -

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"You buy a digital camera from a large chain store.

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"After four months, it develops a faulty screen.

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"You return it to the store and ask for a refund,

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"but the sales assistant says you will need to pay

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"for an independent report to prove you didn't break it.

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"Are they right?"

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Yeah, the answer's yeah.

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Yeah, I think they're right.

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No, because it's in the 12 month guarantee.

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Only one out of three.

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Under the Sales of Goods Act, if an item develops a fault

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in the first six months, that is not down to wear and tear,

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the retailer must issue a refund.

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And it states it is the retailer's responsibility

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to prove that the item wasn't faulty and the first place.

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But after six months, it's down to the consumer

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to prove they didn't cause the fault.

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Next up -

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"You buy tickets to a comedy gig from an online retailer.

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"At the last minute, a work commitment means you can't make it

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"and you try to cancel the tickets three days beforehand.

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"Can you return the tickets and get a refund?"

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I guess you can get the refund. Or 50%.

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I think the answer is probably no.

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Probably not, I'm going to say.

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Only two out of three.

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If you change your mind about attending the event,

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you're not entitled to a refund.

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Once you pay for the ticket you no longer have any cancellation rights.

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However, if the performance is cancelled,

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then you are eligible for a refund.

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-Good to know.

-Really good one.

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Last up -

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"Your neighbour has a row of trees

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"that blocks the light to your garden.

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"You have asked them to get the trees trimmed

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"but they won't listen.

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"Is there anything else you can do?"

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No, I would've thought. If it's on their side.

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Erm... Yeah, I think you can go to the council.

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You can legally complain about that, can't you?

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Two out of three.

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With disputes of this nature,

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you are well within your rights to go to the council and complain.

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However, they are entitled to charge you for their services.

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But the council isn't obliged to help you

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if they think you haven't done enough to settle the dispute.

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Right!

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I am in no doubt there is room for improvement,

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but I'm encouraged that some of you appear to have

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learnt about what I have been ranting on about for years.

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Take it from me, a little bit of know-how can go a long way

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to stopping you getting done.

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Today I'm looking into a case on behalf of pensioner Anne,

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who is unhappy with her dealings with Redress Claims.

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When I hung up the phone, this young man got quite angry

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and rang me back immediately and asked me why I had hung up the phone.

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Quite intimidating.

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Anne says that, not only did Redress Claims tell her

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that she could be owed up to £9,000 in PPI refunds,

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but they said the service they were providing was no-win, no-fee.

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However, the company have taken £2,170 from her credit card

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to investigate her potential mis-sold PPIs,

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and all she's received so far is a bank charge refund of £15.50.

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Devastated. Devastated. How can I afford to lose £2,170?

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Before I hit the phone,

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I want to know a little more about the company.

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Bradford-based Redress Claims was started in 2008

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by a Naman Hussain, a former IT and marketing consultant.

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Because the banks have been ruled to pay back mis-sold PPIs,

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they are one of the many companies cashing in

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on an opportunity in the market.

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I'm sure Anne is not the only person to have been

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contacted by one of these firms,

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so I've hit the streets to do a bit of research of my own.

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Have you heard of what's called PPI?

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No, I haven't.

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No.

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I don't technically understand it.

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Not a huge amount, just what you hear on the television, on the news.

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It seems not many of you are aware of payment protection insurance.

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No wonder companies can step in and offer their services.

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Have you ever received a text, you don't know who it's from, saying,

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"Have you been mis-sold payment protection insurance?"

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Yes! Several times.

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I get in the past month about five texts, yeah.

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Yes, I have, but I've always thought it was junk so I just ignored it.

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I received some SMS messages but I haven't contacted anyone.

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If you had had it,

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would you have known the correct way about reclaiming it?

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A lot of people phone and ask you.

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No, I would not have a clue, to be perfectly honest.

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How would you go about reclaiming it?

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I find the cheapest option,

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like no-win, no-fee and stuff, for example.

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How would you go round reclaiming it?

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I've got no idea.

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Obviously, with plenty of confusion out that there, and with the banks

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paying back millions in mis-sold PPIs, the middlemen have stepped in.

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I think it's high time I spoke to Redress Claims,

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and the first thing I want to find out is exactly what was said

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during Anne's sales call.

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Tell you something, right from the heart.

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I am not a great fan of these companies who cold-call people

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and send texts offering to claim back monies they spent on PPI.

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Let's just see how they respond to my questions.

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'Something tells me I could be in for a bit of a wait.'

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'Thank you for calling the PPI advice line.

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'Please note, all calls are recorded

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'for training and monitoring purposes.'

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That's handy, cos I'm going to be asking

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for a copy of poor old Anne's call.

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And for me, this is the key

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if I'm going to establish precisely what the terms

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of her verbal contract were. And whilst on hold,

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a quick scan of the web throws up a number of other people

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complaining about Redress Claims.

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Just looking online here,

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there is untold complaints in here, untold.

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Seven minutes later. I'm finally through to the call centre.

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Hi, there. Sorry, did you say who I was speaking to? I didn't hear that.

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'It's Andrew.'

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'Oh, what a surprise,

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'the person I need to speak to is in a meeting.'

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What I need is a few details so I can get an e-mail over to you guys.

0:19:360:19:40

When you say he's not available,

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what's the name of the person whose not available?

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-'Mr Hussain.'

-Mr Hussain?

-'Yes, it is, yeah.'

0:19:440:19:48

Whilst I've got Redress Claims on the phone,

0:19:480:19:50

I'm going to pry a little deeper into how this company operates.

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Could you just tell me,

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when you record calls, how long do you keep those recordings for?

0:19:550:20:00

'Erm...'

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Presumably, if somebody raises a dispute with you,

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-I would imagine you probably archive that call just in case...

-'We do.'

0:20:040:20:08

Thank you, Andrew.

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-'OK then. Thanks for your time.'

-Thanks. Bye-bye.

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Now, he gave me permission to use the phone call, which is very good,

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but I covered a couple of points there which are really crucial.

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"Do you record all of the calls?" "Yes." That box ticked.

0:20:200:20:22

"If somebody raises a dispute, you keeper's calls indefinitely."

0:20:220:20:25

"Yes, of course we do." Lovely. Absolutely lovely.

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Which means I can request that phone conversation

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between those two parties and them.

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And it seems Anne's not the only person to contact me

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with a complaint about Redress Claims.

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I've landed myself another case, William Dwyer from Dundee.

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Like Anne, William got cold-called.

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and claims he was told his credit card debts

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could be cleared by money he was owed for mis-sold PPIs,

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and that this wouldn't - yep, you've guessed it - cost him a penny.

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Like Anne, poor old William has found himself out of pocket

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and claims the company have ignored his requests to get the money back.

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So, William had a fee of £980 taken from his credit card,

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whilst Anne was charged a fee of £2,170.

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William had been mis-sold PPI

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but Anne hadn't.

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Both were told they'd lose 60% of the upfront fee if they cancelled.

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Redress Claims have managed to get William

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PPI refunds totalling £333.35

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and Anne has received a bank charge refund of £15.50

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but Redress have kept their entire upfront fees.

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So Anne is out of pocket

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to the tune of £2,154.50

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and William's wallet is £646.65 lighter.

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Now, I'm no mathematician, but it doesn't take a genius to work out

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those figures only stack in favour of Redress Claims

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'and have done more than leaving Anne out of pocket.'

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It does affect you.

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Most certainly does, psychologically,

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as well as financially.

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Now, according to their terms and conditions, they only take their cut

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which is 25% plus VAT

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on any successful PPI refunds.

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No win, no fee.

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But - and it's a very big but -

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their terms and conditions also state they will charge

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an upfront fee for any case that they examine.

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So, they're charging a fee, why on earth did they tell William and Anne

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it won't cost them a penny?

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At risk of sounding like a stuck record, I'm convinced

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getting my hands on the sales calls

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is key to getting Anne and William's money back

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as they will prove whether or not Redress Claims told them

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they would take any upfront fees for their services.

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I'm now going to send Redress Claims an e-mail requesting those calls.

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There is obviously a lot of confusion out there about PPI,

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and with banks paying back millions for mis-selling the product,

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the middlemen have stepped in

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to cash in on what looks like a lucrative market.

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Claims management companies will take a claim on your behalf

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to a bank or financial company about mis-sold PPI.

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They will expect you to provide details of your policy

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and personal circumstances

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but they take a fee for making this complaint.

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What does it mean if somebody receives a call

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from a PPI reclaim company?

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A lot of claims management companies will cold-call you.

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They'll send you texts, phone you at home, on your mobile,

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sometimes promising that you can reclaim thousands of pounds.

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But actually, this is just blanket phone calls and blanket e-mails

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and we think you should probably ignore them.

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Is using one of these companies the only way

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of reclaiming mis-sold PPIs?

0:23:350:23:36

It's absolutely possible to make claims against financial companies

0:23:360:23:40

by yourself. The system is set up to do that.

0:23:400:23:42

Millions of people have already made very successful complaints

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about mis-sold PPI, with billions of pounds paid out.

0:23:460:23:49

The banks are expecting people to complain, as they know they have mis-sold these products

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so our advice is, go online, get the free top tips and template letters,

0:23:540:23:57

make the complaint yourself.

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And in this way, you can avoid having to pay the 30% or more

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that some claims managements charge for taking the complaint for you.

0:24:030:24:06

Crikey. So you don't even need to use a claims management company.

0:24:060:24:11

In fact, it could be considerably cheaper if you did it yourself.

0:24:110:24:15

Now, I think it's time to get back on the phone

0:24:150:24:17

to Redress Claims, and this time I'm going straight to the boss.

0:24:170:24:21

I'm going to ring this guy's mobile number.

0:24:220:24:25

Let's just see what does happen.

0:24:250:24:28

'But if he's got wind that I'm on his case,

0:24:280:24:30

'I wonder whether he'll even pick up the phone at all.'

0:24:300:24:33

Naman, it's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC. Good afternoon.

0:24:330:24:37

'So far, so good.'

0:24:370:24:38

I'm ringing about some complaints we've received

0:24:380:24:41

from some people about some problems with Redress Claims.

0:24:410:24:45

'I spoke too soon.

0:24:450:24:46

'He says he's off to a meeting and asks me to call back.'

0:24:460:24:49

Yeah, how long are you going to be, Naman?

0:24:490:24:51

'He says about 45 minutes.'

0:24:510:24:54

Could you give me your direct-dial number, please?

0:24:540:24:56

'Apparently not.'

0:24:560:24:57

Bye-bye, then.

0:24:570:24:59

I found that very strange. Here's the MD of the company

0:25:000:25:03

who says, "I'm busy." Fair enough. That I didn't find strange,

0:25:030:25:06

but I asked for a direct number. He says, "I've a problem with the line."

0:25:060:25:10

"What's your secretary's?" "It's the same line." "Can you give me any landline?"

0:25:100:25:14

"No, no, we're having problems with them. I'll call you back."

0:25:140:25:17

Here's your chance, Naman.

0:25:170:25:19

It's 3:40. You said 45 minutes. Call me back

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cos if I have to, I'll come round and knock on your door.

0:25:220:25:25

I'm quickly sensing I could be in for one hell of a fight here

0:25:250:25:29

trying to get a copy of these sales-calls recordings

0:25:290:25:32

despite Redress themselves already telling me they keep them.

0:25:320:25:35

I've already e-mailed them requesting copies

0:25:350:25:38

and if I get them, I'm confident this will put the case to bed.

0:25:380:25:41

But I've heard nothing back. I'm convinced, if all else fails

0:25:410:25:44

that because Anne claims her money was taken from her credit card

0:25:440:25:48

without her authorisation,

0:25:480:25:50

she could be in for a shout trying to claim the money back

0:25:500:25:54

under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.

0:25:540:25:56

This legislation protects all payments between £100 and £30,000

0:25:560:26:01

made on your plastic.

0:26:010:26:03

I've already got the ball rolling with this by contacting Anne's bank

0:26:030:26:07

but to be honest, I see this as a last resort

0:26:070:26:09

because if I get a copy of those calls

0:26:090:26:11

and it proves Redress Claims took that money from Anne

0:26:110:26:15

without the correct permissions, I want them to pay it back.

0:26:150:26:18

So what rules are in place to govern the way these companies operate?

0:26:180:26:22

And who's responsible for ensuring they play by the rules?

0:26:220:26:25

The answer is the Ministry Of Justice.

0:26:250:26:28

We're concerned that consumers

0:26:280:26:30

dealing with claims management companies aren't ripped off again.

0:26:300:26:34

They've already suffered through being mis-sold a product,

0:26:340:26:37

and we don't want them to be out of pocket again

0:26:370:26:39

through using the wrong company,

0:26:390:26:41

paying too much for a service which otherwise they could do on their own.

0:26:410:26:44

That's good to know.

0:26:460:26:47

So, what rules do claims management companies have to abide by?

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All our rules we place on companies are very important

0:26:500:26:53

but the key rule is around treating customers fairly,

0:26:530:26:56

to give them a fair deal, not to mislead them in any way

0:26:560:26:59

and to ensure they're always acting in the client's best interest.

0:26:590:27:03

And what about companies taking fees upfront before providing a service?

0:27:030:27:09

We'd be concerned about companies taking upfront fees,

0:27:090:27:11

particularly because it exposes consumers to parting with their money

0:27:110:27:16

before any service has been provided.

0:27:160:27:18

We require companies to provide very detailed information

0:27:180:27:21

about the services they provide to the customer

0:27:210:27:24

before the customer agrees to pay any fee.

0:27:240:27:26

It's important customers understand

0:27:260:27:28

exactly how long it will take, how much it will cost,

0:27:280:27:31

and what sort of compensation they might get at the end of the process

0:27:310:27:34

so they can make an informed choice about whether to go forward.

0:27:340:27:37

The Ministry of Justice stipulate

0:27:370:27:39

that verbal agreements over the phone must be followed up

0:27:390:27:42

with a contract outlining the terms and conditions,

0:27:420:27:45

including the cooling-off period, BEFORE any fees are taken.

0:27:450:27:49

Both Anne and William say, not only were they misinformed

0:27:490:27:51

during the sales calls about what they were entering into,

0:27:510:27:54

there was no mention of a cooling-off period

0:27:540:27:57

and that the claims pack paperwork didn't arrive

0:27:570:28:00

until AFTER the fees were taken and the cooling-off period had passed.

0:28:000:28:04

Are the MoJ aware of Redress Claims?

0:28:040:28:06

We received some complaints about the activities of Redress Claims

0:28:060:28:10

several months ago, and after analysing those complaints

0:28:100:28:13

and investigating the circumstances around them,

0:28:130:28:16

we decided we need to put restrictions on their activities,

0:28:160:28:19

so firstly we require them

0:28:190:28:21

to issue receipts to consumers when they take any fee from their account,

0:28:210:28:25

and secondly, we require them to hold call recordings

0:28:250:28:28

for a period of three months,

0:28:280:28:30

so that we can investigate any allegations made by consumers

0:28:300:28:33

later on, that the process hasn't gone as they expected it.

0:28:330:28:36

Crikey. So Redress Claims have already had

0:28:360:28:39

conditions placed on them by the MoJ,

0:28:390:28:42

stating they must issue receipts when they take fees over the phone

0:28:420:28:45

and must keep recordings of all calls for three months.

0:28:450:28:49

But these restrictions didn't come into effect

0:28:490:28:52

until two months after Anne and William had been cold-called

0:28:520:28:55

and speaking of phones, it's time I got back on one to you-know-who,

0:28:550:28:58

armed with yet more queries about where Redress Claims

0:28:580:29:02

may not have abided by the rules in Anne and William's cases.

0:29:020:29:05

Now, it seems rather convenient

0:29:050:29:08

Redress Claims had no problem picking up the phone

0:29:080:29:10

when they chased poor Anne and William's credit card details

0:29:100:29:13

but now I'm asking questions, they're proving slightly elusive.

0:29:130:29:17

I've already called the boss and he promised to call me back,

0:29:170:29:20

but that was nearly an hour ago.

0:29:200:29:22

He obviously doesn't know I don't like being kept waiting.

0:29:220:29:25

Let see if he answers the phone this time.

0:29:260:29:29

'This is the Vodafone voicemail service for...'

0:29:290:29:32

What a surprise.

0:29:320:29:33

'Please leave your message after the tone.'

0:29:330:29:36

BEEP

0:29:360:29:37

I wondered if you'd have the decency to call us back, please. Look forward to hearing from you. Bye.

0:29:370:29:42

Call me back, Naman. Because I'm not going away.

0:29:420:29:44

But when I finally get through to Redress Claims,

0:29:440:29:47

I'm far from impressed by what they've got to say.

0:29:470:29:50

If you can't provide those, you're not in a position to argue and you need to give them their money back.

0:29:500:29:55

Wouldn't we all like to know

0:29:580:30:00

what goes on inside the mind of dodgy traders?

0:30:000:30:04

You know, get a little insight into how they all work.

0:30:040:30:07

Well, step forward, today's whistle-blower.

0:30:070:30:10

Watch this, because it's going to be very interesting.

0:30:100:30:13

For many, when it comes to redecorating our homes,

0:30:190:30:23

it pays to pick up the phone and call in the professionals.

0:30:230:30:26

After all, the last thing you want to live with is a hacked-up hallway,

0:30:260:30:29

poor paint jobs or wonky wallpaper.

0:30:290:30:31

And although many decorators do exactly what they say on the tin,

0:30:340:30:38

the pitfalls can be poor preparation, flaky finishes

0:30:380:30:40

and cowboy tradesmen that are only interested

0:30:400:30:43

in getting their mitts on your pot of cash.

0:30:430:30:46

Today, we have an expert who's determined to lift the lid

0:30:490:30:53

on the dodgy decorators that give the industry a bad name.

0:30:530:30:57

And with the picture he paints of more tarnish than varnish,

0:30:570:31:00

you'll soon understand why we've taken measures to disguise him.

0:31:000:31:04

It's very, very, very frustrating

0:31:080:31:12

for, you know, professional decorators

0:31:120:31:14

that have got good standards and want happy customers,

0:31:140:31:17

you know, these fraudsters,

0:31:170:31:19

these daubsters, chancers, etc,

0:31:190:31:22

they are literally in it just for a quick buck.

0:31:220:31:25

So, what tell-tale signs help distinguish a good decorator

0:31:250:31:29

from a dreadful one?

0:31:290:31:31

A good decorator will give you quality,

0:31:350:31:38

they'll give you a job that will last.

0:31:380:31:41

A job done well will last a long time.

0:31:410:31:43

A job done badly isn't going to last any time at all.

0:31:430:31:46

The rogues and the chancers and the bad tradesmen

0:31:460:31:51

are literally just trying to earn a fast buck, earn a quick living,

0:31:510:31:55

get on to the next job.

0:31:550:31:57

If an average room would cost £250-£400 depending on the size,

0:31:570:32:02

these guys will come in and say that they'll do a room for £200 or £150.

0:32:020:32:09

The paint alone in a room,

0:32:090:32:11

an average-sized room, good quality paint could come to £100

0:32:110:32:16

so in reality, they're only going to earn themselves £100.

0:32:160:32:20

They'll just used the cheapest of cheap paint,

0:32:200:32:23

paint that's, you know, bought from a boot sale, etc,

0:32:230:32:27

so they won't use the best-quality paint.

0:32:270:32:30

What tales of woe does our decorator whistle-blower have for us?

0:32:300:32:34

I was called on a job to rectify,

0:32:370:32:40

the client was complaining of all the filler falling out.

0:32:400:32:44

On close inspection, it turned out

0:32:440:32:46

that the bodger had used mud.

0:32:460:32:50

An absolute nightmare. Every part of that filler had to be dug out

0:32:500:32:54

and the correct products used

0:32:540:32:56

to give a lasting job,

0:32:560:32:58

which ultimately will cost more than doing the job right first time.

0:32:580:33:04

I've seen fibrous cornice work, which is really a specialist job to fit,

0:33:040:33:10

nailed up with six-inch nails, split and broken.

0:33:100:33:13

I've seen wallpaper that should be hung professionally,

0:33:130:33:17

expensive wallpaper, with all the joints overlapped,

0:33:170:33:20

all the adhesive seeping out,

0:33:200:33:22

paste all on the skirtings and on the ceilings

0:33:220:33:25

so when the client turns on their table lamps,

0:33:250:33:27

they have a shiny ceiling wherever the paper's gone up.

0:33:270:33:30

What more subtle ways would a rogue operator try to deceive a client?

0:33:300:33:35

A bad company could camouflage their work practices in many, many ways.

0:33:360:33:44

They could, for example, if they're using gloss,

0:33:440:33:48

they could put lots of white spirit in this gloss

0:33:480:33:52

so they can apply it at speed.

0:33:520:33:54

The downfall to that, obviously, would be,

0:33:540:33:56

the gloss will go completely flat in a very, very short time,

0:33:560:34:00

because it's thinned out,

0:34:000:34:02

it won't have the tough protection that gloss should have.

0:34:020:34:05

A bodger would say that

0:34:050:34:07

they're going to strip the wallpaper that's already on the walls,

0:34:070:34:11

they'll fill, they'll sand, they'll seal the walls,

0:34:110:34:14

they'll cross line, and they're going to hang this expensive wallpaper.

0:34:140:34:18

In reality, what they will do, if you're at work or on holiday,

0:34:180:34:22

is they won't do none of that.

0:34:220:34:23

They will literally just hang the wallpaper

0:34:230:34:26

straight on top of your existing wallpaper.

0:34:260:34:28

So our decorator has dished the dirt on the disasters.

0:34:280:34:31

Now, how do you stop yourself from getting done?

0:34:310:34:35

Here are my insider's tips.

0:34:350:34:37

Firstly, go to those in the know.

0:34:410:34:43

Definitely get in touch with a trade association.

0:34:440:34:48

They have a code of practice,

0:34:480:34:52

they have rules that we have to adhere to

0:34:520:34:55

and, you know, you've actually got a third port of call.

0:34:550:34:59

If you're not happy, at least you've got somebody you can refer to.

0:34:590:35:03

Always get three estimates.

0:35:050:35:08

By default, I would recommend that clients usually try and think,

0:35:080:35:12

the middle one could be a good one.

0:35:120:35:14

You really need to feel happy with your tradesman.

0:35:160:35:19

You'll get an instant like or dislike

0:35:190:35:22

to the tradesman coming into your home.

0:35:220:35:24

And lastly, be wary of cash-hungry cowboys.

0:35:240:35:28

Always steer clear of a trader

0:35:280:35:32

that insists on cash upfront, or cash payments.

0:35:320:35:37

A bona fide tradesman shouldn't need to be worrying about cash.

0:35:370:35:41

All these sort of things should give you an indication

0:35:410:35:45

that the guy should be bona fide.

0:35:450:35:48

I've taken on a case of two pensioners,

0:35:520:35:54

Anne Baduna and William Dwyer,

0:35:540:35:56

who have been left out of pocket

0:35:560:35:57

after being cold-called by PPI reclaim company Redress Claims.

0:35:570:36:01

Well, they kept ringing me up and ringing me up,

0:36:010:36:04

convincing me that I had this money to come

0:36:040:36:07

and it wasn't going to cost me one penny from my pocket.

0:36:070:36:10

Redress Claims have taken fees of £2,170 from Anne

0:36:100:36:15

to investigate mis-sold PPIs

0:36:150:36:17

that she swears she told them she never took out,

0:36:170:36:20

and all she's received in return is a bank charge refund of £15.50.

0:36:200:36:24

And William was charged fees of £980

0:36:250:36:28

for his PPI investigation,

0:36:280:36:30

and although he did have money for PPI to claim back,

0:36:300:36:33

the costs outweighed the settlement

0:36:330:36:35

so he's found himself with almost £650 less than when he started.

0:36:350:36:40

Anne and William allege Redress Claims not only failed

0:36:400:36:43

to fully inform them about the agreement they were entering into,

0:36:430:36:47

but also failed to send them this information in writing

0:36:470:36:50

before taking the fees, which if true,

0:36:500:36:52

breaks guidelines outlined why the Ministry of Justice.

0:36:520:36:56

I found out that following a series of complaints,

0:36:560:36:59

the MoJ had recently enforced conditions on Redress Claims

0:36:590:37:02

to issue receipts when taking fees over the phone

0:37:020:37:05

and to keep all telephone call recordings for three months.

0:37:050:37:10

For me, getting hold of Anne and William's sales calls

0:37:100:37:13

is key to finding if Redress Claims did everything by the book.

0:37:130:37:17

But despite asking for copies, they've been ignoring my requests.

0:37:170:37:21

But just when I'm hoping for a breakthrough,

0:37:210:37:24

I receive a bit of a bombshell.

0:37:240:37:27

I've had an e-mail from Redress Claims,

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saying they tried to take the money from Anne's account on two occasions

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and on both of them, it was declined.

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Just in case I didn't believe them,

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they've been kind enough to send me a screen grab. How nice.

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There it is. "Declined."

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But Anne's got a statement from her bank

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showing that the money was paid out

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and into Redress Claims' account.

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It even says the account number. So on one hand,

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we've a letter from NatWest saying the money has been paid to Redress.

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On the other, you got Redress Claims saying, "We haven't got it."

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Someone needs to give their accounts department a kick up the backside.

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I've got a funny feeling I know who it is.

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The person who sent the e-mail, the company's legal adviser,

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has given me his number.

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It's time I had an overdue chat with Redress Claims.

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It's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC.

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You're denying payment's been received by Anne Baduna to you?

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'I can't believe what I'm hearing.

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'Redress Claims are sticking to their guns.'

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She's supplied you with proof that she has paid it, so don't...

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I don't want to hear, "That's not proof enough,

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"it could be in any account."

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'Redress asked me for another copy of Anne's credit card statement,

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'which should clear that up.

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'But there is another issue I need to discuss.'

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Both of these people saying they were assured no money would be taken

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so if you've got phone conversations and you can prove that,

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great, I'm off your back.

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'Redress saying that if they didn't want them to take the upfront fees,

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'then why did they give their credit card details?'

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If I started phoning up your granny, 76-year-old granny,

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on five occasions, and she put the phone down on at least two of them

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telling me to go away, I'm sure with the right amount of sales practice,

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I could get your 76-year-old granny, who's getting fed up of my voice

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to give me her credit card details.

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And if that's what happened, you as a company should be ashamed

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and that's why a phone conversation

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and hearing the transcript of that, or hearing that conversation,

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would put the whole situation to bed.

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We'll know exactly what happened.

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'Now they're saying the calls might have been deleted

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'when they changed their phone system.'

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Right, now my blood's boiling!

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'Well, by the sound of that call, I'm back to square one'

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'and something tells me, once this company dig their heels in,

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'they dig their heels in.'

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Guess what?

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We've had an e-mail back, saying

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they are not prepared to accept a scanned copy of Anne's authorisation

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for us to request this information.

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Not a problem. I will send the originals.

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They've also said they're going to charge us for it.

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Not a problem, Redress Claims. We will pay it.

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But to top it off, they said the whole thing might take 40 days.

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So what? I'll wait if I have to.

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But lo and behold, a few days later

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I get another e-mail from Redress Claims.

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They refuse to comment further on the matter

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and just told me that they'd contacted Anne and William directly.

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In a letter to Anne, they say...

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'Surely, this can mean only one thing.

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'I think it's time for me to head back to North London.'

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-Hello, my lovely.

-Oh, hello, Dom. How wonderful to see you.

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-I like that sort of greeting. Hello, Anne.

-Come in.

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No, you come out here! It's a lovely day. How are you, lovely?

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-I'm all right, dear.

-Are you?

-I am.

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I feel like we're about to waltz or something.

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I wish I could dance!

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Yeah? So do I. Did you see me on Strictly? Forget it!

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Let's have a seat, Anne.

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Come on over here, my lovely.

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There we are. Thank you.

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How's it been since I last saw you?

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-All right.

-Yeah?

-Yes.

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Cor, it's like a date, this, Anne.

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It's all right, dear. I'm used to cuddling the boys.

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Are you? Right.

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-Redress.

-Oh, my God.

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I made you a promise, didn't I? When we first met. What was that promise?

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You promised that you would get my money back.

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Yeah. And what's happened since?

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-Well, you got my money back.

-Yeah.

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Unbelievable. I mean, this to us

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-is a massive amount of money.

-Yeah.

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And thanks to you, we've survived and we got justice.

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You was prepared to write this money off.

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You were so fed up with the company, you'd given up on chasing it.

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I did. Yes, I did.

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That worries me. How many other people out there like you

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-might have just given up on it?

-That's right.

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-Now, I need to tell you about my fee.

-Yes.

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It's a cup of tea and a bacon sandwich.

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SHE LAUGHS

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You can have half a dozen bacon rolls, dear,

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-as well as a cup of tea.

-Just one, Anne! Just one.

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Cup of tea and a bacon sarnie with a bit of red sauce. Shall we go in?

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Yes, let's go.

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'After a very stressful six months,

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'Redress Claims have sent Anne a cheque for £2,170,

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'refunding her upfront fees, which makes me very happy.

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'But Anne wasn't the only case I investigated.

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'Remember William Dwyer from Dundee,

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'who found himself almost £650 short

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'after Redress Claims investigated his mis-sold PPIs?

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'As a gesture of goodwill, they've agreed to return

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'the upfront fees for William's unsuccessful PPI refunds

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'so he's received a cheque for £390.'

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At the end of the day, they've now done the right thing

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and refunded the money, but let this be a warning to us all.

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