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I've been fighting consumer battles for years

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but there are still many companies trying to do one over on you.

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They don't care. As long as the cash register's going ching-ching,

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that's all they care about.

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Thousands of you are still subject to unfair treatment

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from poor customer service to hidden small print and faulty products.

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What can we do? Make a complaint maybe, that'll get lost in the telecommunications abyss.

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These companies simply don't seem to care and are causing you

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the consumer a lot of unnecessary stress.

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Never fear.

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I'll take want your consumer battles to make sure you don't get done.

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Coming up on today's show,

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BT could stand for Bad Times

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as gripes about their complex contracts

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and careless customer service mount up.

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I've got over 60 different BT complaints in my inbox.

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We had no service whatsoever to get any sort of phone line.

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I had to walk half a mile to a phone box.

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After I entered BT, my bills was coming at nearly four times as much.

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Why is that?

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We see how you guys have been fighting your own battles

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with a visit to one community hero who single-handedly fought

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the council over his council tax banding.

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When you did the maths you could see it.

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26,000 and 40,000 in two and-a-half years?

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There was no way that I could believe that was right.

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And we hit the high street to discover whether you ladies and

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gents of the UK know your consumer rights from your consumer wrongs.

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That would be useful, yeah. I didn't know that.

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When I was a kid, and I'm not talking about that long ago,

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making a call with BT was fairly straightforward.

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PHONE RINGS

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Hello?

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Hello, is Dom there, please?

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Never heard of him.

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But today, it's all about contracts, order forms, direct debits.

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-PHONE RINGS

-Hi. Is Dom there, please?

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I said I've never heard of him!

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With all that paperwork and contracts,

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inevitably there are going to be a few crossed lines.

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And someone who knows crossed lines of communication only too well

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is 50-year-old Tony Rodgers from Nottingham.

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Tony has run his family restaurant for 12 years.

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We are a Mediterranean Italian restaurant and we serve fish,

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steaks, pastas, pizzas.

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But like any small UK business, the recession has meant

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looking at all possible ways to save money and in October 2010,

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one well-known phone operator presented an offer he couldn't refuse.

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I had a number of phone calls from British Telecom

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and I kept talking to them but refusing.

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The lady says,

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"Can we look at your bills and let us see what we can do for you?"

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So Tony sent BT his bill and they responded promising

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their package could save him an impressive 16% every month.

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I looked at the contract and I was extremely happy with the deal

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I made with the British Telecom.

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I was told it was a 24 month contract.

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I signed it, e-mailed it back to them

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and hoped everything would go smoothly from then on.

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Not quite smoothly.

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After taking a whole week to get Tony's restaurant landline

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up and running, things got worse.

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Several months down the line, the promise BT made of a monthly 16% saving just wasn't ringing true.

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After I entered BT my bills was coming at nearly four times as much.

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Why is that?

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BT eventually accepted they'd put Tony on the wrong calling plan

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and credited his account.

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But even with this rectification, Tony couldn't understand why

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he wasn't seeing the savings BT had promised.

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He wasn't yet at the end of his contract period

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but rang BT to tell them he wanted out.

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Cue yet another nasty surprise.

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I was in a conversation with one of their staff

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in New Delhi and he told me it was not a two year contract,

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it was five years.

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It was a great shock to the system. Horrifying.

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Even more shocking were the cancellation fees

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BT told Tony he'd have to pay to leave.

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The stress was starting to take its toll.

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I feel that as a restaurateur,

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I was spending too much time on the phone.

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Hours after hours wasting my time

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for something I was hoping was going to save me money and hassle free.

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I ended up in hospital twice because I had suspected heart attacks.

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Because of so much anxiety.

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I admit, I have shouted at them, they shouted back at me.

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I put the phone down on them, they put the phone down on me.

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I believe that Dom could help me to get out this contract,

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to relieve my family, myself and my restaurant

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from stress that we never wanted and we never deserved.

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Sounds like Tony is having a Bad Time with BT.

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I think it's definitely time for some serious intervention

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so I travelled 130 miles to...

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Nottingham.

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Home of Robin Hood and Tony Rodgers, who runs this restaurant

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and has got a problem with BT.

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-How are you doing, Tony?

-Nice to see you, Dominic.

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-You've got a problem you want to talk about?

-Yes, I do.

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-Can we do it with a coffee?

-Yes, of course.

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-Thank you, I'd love that!

-You're welcome.

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First, I know Tony wants to leave BT

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because even after his calling plan was corrected

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the savings they promised never happened

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but how far from the truth are we talking?

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It is, in the last bill I've had is £106.43.

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Prior to that, from Virgin, was around £40.

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It's gone from a supposed saving,

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-to it's actually costing you more money.

-Yes.

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'And Tony's bills weren't the only thing

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'that didn't make sense to him.'

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As far as you were concerned, what contract were you in?

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I was in a 24 month contract, as far as I was concerned.

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So, when did you realise that, actually, you weren't?

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I would say after a couple of months of arguing with them.

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-And that was the very first you ever recall hearing it?

-Yes, yes.

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And you were shocked? How bad?

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-I ended up twice in hospital after talking to BT.

-Why?

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I got angry, I shouted because nobody was listening.

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At that point, did all you want was to get out of the contract that you had signed

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and just go back with who you were with before?

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-Yes, I tried very hard.

-You obviously asked them for that?

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-Yes, I did.

-What did they say?

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One of the managers told me that I had to pay £1,000.

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-A grand?!

-Yes.

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'I can hardly believe my ears.

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'£1,000 to get out of the contract

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'that unexpectedly turned from two years to five years?!'

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Before I came down today I contacted BT

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and I asked them for a copy of the contract that they sent you.

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Now, this is what they said you signed.

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Have a look through this

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because, I mean, there's tons and tons of small print and terms and conditions, etc, etc.

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Just read that section up there. What does it say?

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"The committed period is 24 months."

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OK. Which agrees with what you're saying. You are committed for two years.

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-Would you say that's black-and-white?

-Yes.

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No confusion there at all, is there?

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'But things are never that simple, are they?

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'As squirreled away in the small print is a distinctly longer commitment period.

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'Three years, in fact, for the line rental side of his deal with BT.

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'But owning a small business in a fickle UK economy

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'means Tony has to be careful what he commits to

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'and he has always been well aware of that.'

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Five years is far too long, in this day and age,

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to commit yourself and my company.

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For the sake of 16% it wasn't me while to make that decision.

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'Sensible words.

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'It seems it would have taken a hell of a telesales pitch

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'to get Tony to agree to any contract of that length

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'but he did put pen to paper.

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'I think Tony has signed the contract

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'not noticing the longer commitment period was there.'

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-What would you be happy with?

-I just want to cancel my contract.

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-OK.

-I am not after any money, I just want to be left alone,

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to go back to what I had.

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Yeah, you want out and I think, you know, I don't blame you at all.

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'While I investigate I've also asked Tony to do some research

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'on what kind of contract lengths other companies are offering.'

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I tell you what, it seems like between BT and Tony

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there is a few crossed wires

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and a very lengthy contract that Tony doesn't want to be in.

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Let's see if I can get him out of it.

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But it's not just Tony who's having a BT battle.

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A quick glance at my inbox shows me

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that there are many more angry customers.

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So, I've decided to take on two more cases,

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including the plight of Annisa and Michael Stennett from Durham

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and the uncalled for cancellation charges.

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And Stuart and Trudie Wilson from Weston-super-Mare

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who've also received charges for services they never wanted.

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BT's complex contracts have enabled them to be hit with these unexpected fees

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and BT customer services aren't budging.

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More about them later.

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First, time to get the ball rolling with a sternly worded e-mail

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outlining all three cases I want BT to look into.

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But what will BT's response be when I grill them

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about their customer service standards and confusing contracts?

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He believes he was always on a 24 month contract

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so I just need to query whether it was clear

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that one part of it was 60 months and one part of it was 24 months.

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Birmingham, the city said to be the birthplace of heavy metal

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and once home to the famous band Black Sabbath.

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It is now home to over one million consumers

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who may be headbanging when it comes to the subject of consumer law.

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Does the average Brummie know their Sales of Goods

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from the Trade Descriptions Act?

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If not, they should and so should you.

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We're in a busy shopping district

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and my researchers are about to find out

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just how clued-up you, the general public, are.

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First question, "Something Fishy".

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"You buy a goldfish from a pet shop

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"but unfortunately it dies within a fortnight, what can you do?"

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Flush it down the toilet!

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I don't think you can do anything, really.

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-Take it back.

-Take it back, yeah. Try and get my money back.

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Well, I'd say that you could take it back

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and demand a new goldfish or your money back.

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Correct, but a mixed bag of answers there.

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Provided you treated the fish correctly,

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buying a pet entitles you to the same consumer rights

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as any other product.

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Meaning a refund or a new goldfish.

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However, the shop could ask you to produce the dead goldfish

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and a sample of the water in your aquarium in separate bags.

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-OK.

-Don't flush it down the toilet then!

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Don't do that, it might come back and it you on the bum!

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Next up, it's, "Electric Shocker".

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"The fuse box breaks in your house, leaving you with no electricity.

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"You call out an electrician who replaces the fuse box

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"but presents you with a huge bill.

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"You disagree with the price

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"as you think he has charged too much for parts and labour,

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"what can you do?"

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There must be someone you can complain to?

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I don't know who though.

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If it's a main company,

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I would definitely go to the company and complain.

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-I'd probably just pay it!

-I'd just pay it and...

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-Just be like, "That's how much it costs."

-..be annoyed for two days.

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Get a receipt, obviously, and go to Citizens Advice.

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-Probably compare it to somebody else or...

-Yeah, see what they can do.

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Correct, three out of four of them are along the right lines.

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You should pay the bill

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but write, "Paid under protest," on the cheque you pay with

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or the company's documentation.

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You should then immediately write to the organisation in question

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to dispute the price charged.

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You should also get quotes from other electricians

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to see what they would charge for similar work.

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I didn't even know that.

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Never happened to me yet!

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Who knows what the future holds? Hopefully, now, HE won't get done.

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Final question, "Horror Holiday".

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"You choose to fly to Spain in three weeks

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"but the airline calls cancelling your flight.

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"It can't transfer you to another flight

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"but just refund your ticket price.

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"All other flights are exceptionally expensive at short notice.

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"Should the airline pay you compensation for the difference?"

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If they've cancelled it

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then, surely, they should help you out to get your holiday.

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Well, I think they should but I don't think they would!

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They've given a refund already, so...that's more than enough.

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Correct, two out of three, not bad.

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If you've been given two weeks notice,

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the company only have to refund your money and nothing more.

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With a flight cancellation

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you'd be entitled to a refund of the ticket price,

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a re-route as soon as possible

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or a re-route at a later, convenient date

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BUT if you bought travel insurance when booking

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check these terms and conditions because you may be covered.

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They seem to be a law unto themselves, don't they?

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Most of the time regulations in place are fair to the consumer,

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so know your rights.

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I'm glad that my hard work in educating you is slowly paying off

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and less of you are getting done!

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Earlier on I met the restaurant owner Tony Rogers from Nottingham

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who, after being promised a deal 16% cheaper, switched to BT.

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The reality was that his bills increased and when he went to cancel

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BT presented him with yet another shocker.

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Instead of the two-year contract he thought he was on,

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the small print stated something else.

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The darkest moment of this process

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was when I found out that I'm in a contract for five years with BT.

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And, what's more, BT wanted £1,000 in fees to cancel this contract.

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I couldn't afford, I still, today, can't afford £1,000.

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I was hoping to save 16%,

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which would have been six pounds a month.

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In cases like this with big companies,

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it always pays to know who you are up against.

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So, time for me to do some research.

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BT should know better.

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They are the major provider of telecommunications networks and services in the UK.

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Despite being one of the big boys

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and making £1.7 billion before tax last year,

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they claim one of their main priorities

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is to be the brand for business in the UK.

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I'm sure Tony would have something to say about that one.

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Listed among their brand values are to be trustworthy,

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helpful and straightforward.

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But as far as some of their customers are concerned,

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they're not living up to their promise.

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There's no doubt about it,

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when it comes to BT, Tony is not a happy chappie.

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And, unsurprisingly,

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his problem is not the only one clogging up my inbox.

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I've already sent an e-mail to BT letting them know I've taken on Tony's case,

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but also the cases of two other couples who have suffered at the hands of BT.

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Stuart and Trudy Wilson, from Weston-super-Mare,

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were also tempted by a good-looking BT offer.

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This time for their landline and broadband connection.

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We cancelled the Sky contract.

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We didn't want to have the television any longer,

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so we wanted to go from Sky to BT. It seemed like a cheaper option.

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So, on 1st August 2010, they placed their order

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and were told the changeover would happen three weeks later on the 25th.

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But it didn't.

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So, we were left without any connection whatsoever.

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And when we contacted BT they told us it could be two to three weeks

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before a re-connection could be made.

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Two to three weeks?! With no phone line or broadband!

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BT had another go at fixing the problem but failed again,

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leaving Stuart with only one option.

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To get any phone line I had to walk half a mile to a phone box.

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Stuart made countless trips to his nearest phone box trying to get the issue rectified.

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The Wilsons found BT to be a communications company

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who were a nightmare to communicate with.

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You are just bashing your head against a brick wall all of the time.

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BT failed a second time to connect them,

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so they cancelled their contract and went back to Sky.

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But a few days later, against their wishes,

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BT went ahead with the connection and proceeded to bill them.

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And then if we did try and get out of being with BT,

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they wanted £150 cancellation fee of the contract we didn't have.

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So, like Tony,

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the Wilsons were struck with a stiff cancellation fee.

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Not a grand, but still £150 for an unwanted service,

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and it didn't stop there.

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From October 2010 until May 2011,

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BT continued to send bill, after bill, after bill.

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The Wilsons were horrified that they were being asked to fork out

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for a service they simply didn't want from BT.

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They refused to pay, so BT sent in the heavies.

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They started to put these bills over to a debt collection agency

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who were phoning us up until 10pm at night, every night.

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They were writing us letters. It was just beyond belief.

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I have been in tears on several occasions.

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They've now reached a stalemate with BT.

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We need Dom's help because we've taken it as far as we possibly can.

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The Wilsons have a final bill of £371.85 for a service they didn't want.

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And, like Tony, they found dealing with customer services

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as painful as pulling teeth.

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All because they signed on the dreaded dotted line,

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meaning BT can charge what they want regardless of the service provided.

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I guess I am a glutton for punishment,

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because I'm also going to help out one more couple,

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Anisa and Michael Stennett from Durham,

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who shortly after signing a new BT contract,

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decided to cancel as nothing was working.

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Regardless of a lack of service, they too were hit with charges

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and cancellation fees to the sum of £368.58.

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Just like the Wilsons, their complaints were ignored by BT.

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And just like the Wilsons, they had the debt collectors set on them.

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Seems to me the common dominator in all of these cases

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boils down to one thing - customer service.

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People are being promised one thing,

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yet being given something completely different.

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And when customers quite rightly complained about not getting the savings or service promised,

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BT quote the terms and conditions in their contract,

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throwing common sense out of the window.

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So, I've already sent an e-mail to BT outlining all three cases.

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And BT have responded saying the cases are dead, over and done with.

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Well, not in my book. Time to get on the blower.

0:20:110:20:15

Hi, good afternoon,

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my name is Dominic Littlewood, I'm calling from the BBC.

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First up, Tony's confusing contracts.

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Much to his surprise he was tied into a 60-month commitment period

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for his line rental, when his call package was just 24 months.

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When he would have taken this on board, would that have been

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a telephone sales call, they normally are?

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Can I request a copy of that phone call, please?

0:20:370:20:42

He believes he was always on a 24-month contract,

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so I just need to query whether it was clear one part of it was 60 months,

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and one part was 24 months.

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I doubt I'll get it but it's always worth asking for a recording

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to see if they can prove what was sold on the phone.

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BT now say the cases are no longer dead

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but they need time to investigate everything further.

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Until then, there is some legislation they need to adhere to

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regarding the debt collectors hounding the Wilsons and the Stennetts.

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In accordance with UK law, can you call off the bailiffs now?

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Because until the dispute has been resolved,

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it actually becomes illegal for anybody to be pursued for money

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with bailiffs or debt recovery agents.

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I am dealing with a woman in the BT Press Office, which is fine,

0:21:230:21:27

but I also want a direct contact for customer services.

0:21:270:21:30

I will come to you in all cases, but just for my record,

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who is the head of customer services?

0:21:330:21:36

OK, but obviously I will always come to you first.

0:21:360:21:38

OK, I'll get back in touch with you very, very soon.

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And can you let me know about that conversation soon? I appreciate that.

0:21:410:21:46

Bye, bye.

0:21:460:21:48

Now, she doesn't want her voice to be recorded,

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but she has basically said, these cases are not dead

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and now you're involved, we will re-look at them.

0:21:530:21:56

I asked who's in charge? She said, "Send everything to me."

0:21:560:21:58

I said, "No, who is in charge?" And I got the name.

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Well, now I've got that,

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should I need to take things further I shall just go direct to him.

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Get those names, get those numbers wherever possible.

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Almost immediately after this call, I get an e-mail from BT

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stating they have put the dreaded debt collectors on hold.

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Which is brilliant news for the Wilsons and the Stennetts.

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That's one less sleepless night and one small battle won.

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But, while BT mull over my other case questions, I have asked Tony

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and the Wilsons to do some research to help me build my argument.

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I want the Wilsons to take a look at some online forums to see

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if other BT customers suffer poor customer relations

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and a service not being provided in a timely manner or at all.

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"Dear BT, I am pretty appalled at the service I have received.

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"The line is still not working despite the many attempts

0:22:500:22:54

"I have made to report the fault.

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"Your operatives have hung up on me unintentionally mid-call,

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"usually while transferring to another of your million departments."

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That is about right!

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Obviously a different complaint, but the thing about

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"I should be billing you and not vice versa" rings true, doesn't it?

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What the Wilsons have read are unsubstantiated claims

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but it's strange that so many other customers seem to have been bitten by the same BT bug.

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It is reassuring to know we are not the only ones.

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So, from poor customer service to poor contracts.

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In Nottingham I have got Tony looking at other companies' contract lengths.

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What is a normal commitment period?

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Five years seems a bit excessive to me.

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I have just been on the phone with other phone providers.

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The longest term of contract is two years, 24 months.

0:23:460:23:51

It seems BT's five-year contract was unusual.

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But as we know, Tony thought he was on a two-year deal.

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It was only when he tried to cancel that he found the small print bound him for five.

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Contracts can be confusing and I wonder if the Great British public agree.

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My research team have hit the streets to find out your views

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on complex contracts and tricky terms and conditions.

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I think contracts, it's not fair they're getting longer and longer.

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I think 12 months maximum is all that's needed, really.

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It's always going to be difficult negotiating with a big company

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as to how long you should be tied into a contract for.

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Pretty much, you have to take what you're given, so it's not fair.

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What if you are given a document with pages and pages

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of terms and conditions and small print?

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If you are older, you need to get the glasses on to read the small print.

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But nobody reads it, it's only afterwards you might go back

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and look at the second page and you get bored witless.

0:24:480:24:52

It definitely needs to be made more clear.

0:24:520:24:55

It's like you are signing your life away. You don't know what to expect.

0:24:550:24:58

And she is not wrong.

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While looking at BT standard contract wording,

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I've spotted something worrying.

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Let's see if these guys are as shocked as I am about what seems an outrageous clause

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but quite a common one in contracts with big companies.

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BT can change the conditions, including the charges at any time.

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I suppose if they got desperate,

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they could charging 500 quid for a telephone call, couldn't they?

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According to that.

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That's totally wrong.

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I thought because they're a company that go way back...

0:25:310:25:35

That has really shocked me, actually.

0:25:350:25:38

This means they can basically charge you what ever they want at any time

0:25:380:25:43

and you would have no say. That is just crazy.

0:25:430:25:48

It is wrong. Isn't it? It is inequality, they can set the terms and conditions

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and we just pretty much have to accept.

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We should do something about it.

0:25:560:25:58

Well, you just heard the Great British public are not too pleased

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about BT's great big contracts and tyrannical Ts&Cs.

0:26:060:26:10

It's got me thinking about the bigger issue.

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More and more companies are pushing us into longer and longer contracts.

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Mobile phones, phones, broadbands and even gyms.

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But are they really that necessary or have we created a contract culture?

0:26:220:26:27

What I'm really trying to say is, do we need all of that paperwork and small print?

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What do you reckon darlin', nuts or bananas?

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Oh, bananas, every time.

0:26:330:26:34

You sure? I was thinking nuts myself.

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You would, wouldn't you?

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Indeed I would but, laughter aside, I want to get to the nuts and bolts of this issue.

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So, we've arranged an interview with Ofcom,

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the regulators for the communications industries.

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Why do we even need contracts?

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You would always have a contract for your phone

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because that protects both parties.

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It helps both sides

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to know exactly what is expected of the provider

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and what is expected of you.

0:27:020:27:03

OK, fair enough,

0:27:030:27:06

but what if there is a lack of clarity in the small print?

0:27:060:27:08

How do you know what to expect?

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All key aspects, the price, length of the contract,

0:27:110:27:15

there are rules that say they have to be made very clear and upfront.

0:27:150:27:18

I would advise anybody to make sure they ask those questions.

0:27:180:27:22

Don't wait to be told, make sure you ask the question.

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If you ask the question and you are either lied to or not told,

0:27:250:27:29

then your case is much stronger.

0:27:290:27:30

It seems BT may have not stuck to the rules.

0:27:300:27:35

Tony was adamant he was sold a two-year contract on the phone,

0:27:350:27:38

not a five-year one.

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Hence why I have asked for recording of the call.

0:27:400:27:42

And, as we have seen Tony is not the only angry one.

0:27:420:27:45

My team has spoken to numerous members of the public

0:27:450:27:48

who are appalled by one particular clause on BT's standard contract.

0:27:480:27:53

Most contracts will have a term that say providers can change the terms

0:27:530:27:57

and they do need to be able to do that.

0:27:570:27:59

But there are rules which stop them from doing just what they like.

0:27:590:28:04

There are rules which say if they are changing a term and it's going to be likely to be of material detriment,

0:28:040:28:09

then they have to notify customers and give them one month's notice.

0:28:090:28:13

OK, but me and the people we spoke to find it ludicrous

0:28:130:28:17

that clause appears on BT's contract in the first place.

0:28:170:28:21

I don't think the caveat is good enough.

0:28:210:28:25

What rights do customers have within their contract

0:28:250:28:27

if a company like BT don't provide the service they assured?

0:28:270:28:31

Certainly, if you have not received what you were promised,

0:28:310:28:34

there has been a failure to provide the service at all,

0:28:340:28:36

you should be able to cancel that contract without any penalty.

0:28:360:28:40

Right, so essentially Tony didn't get savings,

0:28:400:28:43

even after his calling plan correction and the Wilsons

0:28:430:28:46

and the Stennetts did not get a service within an adequate timeframe.

0:28:460:28:50

Yet, they face big fees and charges.

0:28:500:28:52

How can BT get away with this?

0:28:520:28:54

If it is a delay, then that is slightly more difficult

0:28:540:28:57

because it will depend on what your contract actually said you are entitled to.

0:28:570:29:01

So, if the service was guaranteed to be provided on a certain date,

0:29:010:29:05

then maybe you would have a right to cancel.

0:29:050:29:07

But if it was a provisional date, it is slightly more difficult

0:29:070:29:11

and it would come down to how long the delay was and whether it was reasonable.

0:29:110:29:16

So they look at things on a case-by-case basis

0:29:160:29:19

but I also discovered something else.

0:29:190:29:21

It turns out that although the selling

0:29:210:29:23

and cancellation of landlines is regulated, broadband isn't as yet.

0:29:230:29:27

I think this should be addressed

0:29:270:29:30

as these contracts commit people for a very long time.

0:29:300:29:33

For any contract for telecoms, whether it is mobile,

0:29:330:29:36

landline or broadband, there is a rule which says

0:29:360:29:39

you cannot have a contract for more than 24 months, minimum contract period.

0:29:390:29:43

That explains why during Tony's research he could not find

0:29:430:29:48

any other companies offering contracts for longer than two years.

0:29:480:29:52

Good news for you consumers but not good for Tony,

0:29:520:29:55

because he signed his contract before this ruling came in.

0:29:550:29:58

I do feel Ofcom cleared a number of things up

0:29:580:30:02

and I feel I have a very strong case against BT.

0:30:020:30:06

Tony's five-year tie in wasn't clear to him and the Stennetts

0:30:060:30:09

and the Wilsons have been charged for services that were not received

0:30:090:30:13

within what I would consider a reasonable timeframe.

0:30:130:30:16

And I'd like to think Ofcom would agree it was unreasonable too.

0:30:160:30:19

It is clear, there are still some issues that are muddy.

0:30:190:30:23

Because the world of telecoms is so complicated,

0:30:230:30:26

not everything is regulated.

0:30:260:30:28

For me, the bottom line is,

0:30:280:30:30

BT should forget the crafty contracts and get some common sense.

0:30:300:30:34

They didn't deliver the goods,

0:30:340:30:36

so they shouldn't penalise their customers.

0:30:360:30:38

I am going to let them know what I think.

0:30:380:30:40

Whether you were able to go round

0:30:400:30:42

and sort it out or not is slightly irrelevant.

0:30:420:30:44

The fact is, once it was cancelled

0:30:440:30:47

they still got these charges for a service they never received.

0:30:470:30:50

More and more of you are becoming consumer savvy nowadays

0:30:530:30:57

and by putting your knowledge to the test,

0:30:570:31:00

you are getting some cracking results against the big boys.

0:31:000:31:03

And here is how you did it.

0:31:030:31:04

With some 23 million homes in the UK,

0:31:080:31:12

the Government rakes in around £26 billion a year in council tax.

0:31:120:31:17

Since 1993, we have all had to pay this tax under certain bandings,

0:31:170:31:22

from 'A' the lowest amount, to the highest at band 'H',

0:31:220:31:26

based on property valuations as of 1st April 1991.

0:31:260:31:30

It's the Valuation Office Agency to tell local authorities

0:31:320:31:35

how much you have to pay.

0:31:350:31:37

But what happens if you dispute the band you have been placed in?

0:31:390:31:43

You could find yourself having the door slammed in your face.

0:31:430:31:46

Meet 54-year-old, Bob West.

0:31:470:31:49

He's lived in his three-bed semi-detached council house

0:31:490:31:52

for a very long time.

0:31:520:31:55

I was born in 1957 and I've lived in this particular house since 1958.

0:31:550:32:01

That's 53 years.

0:32:010:32:02

When Bob and his family bought the house in 1988,

0:32:040:32:06

it was valued at around £25,000.

0:32:060:32:09

But when council tax was introduced in 1993,

0:32:090:32:12

Bob was given a 'B' banding for his home.

0:32:120:32:16

He believed it should be in the lowest bracket, 'A',

0:32:160:32:19

for houses worth less than £40,000.

0:32:190:32:22

I knew this house was not worth between 40 and £52,000.

0:32:220:32:27

I put an appeal in about 1993.

0:32:270:32:31

But fearing the Council may make him pay more instead of less,

0:32:310:32:36

Bob, withdrew this appeal.

0:32:360:32:39

However, a few years later his suspicions over his banding

0:32:390:32:41

were aroused once again.

0:32:410:32:43

I left it until about 2009, I think it was.

0:32:440:32:49

At that particular time there was a neighbour of mine

0:32:490:32:51

that called and said I have had a knock on the door from a company

0:32:510:32:55

that say they can get a council tax reduction for me.

0:32:550:32:58

I thought it was a scam at that time.

0:32:580:33:00

I thought somebody was just trying to make money out of it.

0:33:000:33:02

I didn't think no more of it.

0:33:020:33:04

But a few days later, after I had spoken to the lady,

0:33:040:33:08

I thought, I am not in the right tax band.

0:33:080:33:10

In September 2010, Bob decided to get the ball rolling again.

0:33:100:33:16

So I thought, no, I'll have a go at this.

0:33:160:33:18

I'll actually phone Durham valuation office up.

0:33:180:33:21

I suggested to them that I may have been in the wrong band,

0:33:210:33:24

I should have been in band A.

0:33:240:33:25

On 30 September, Bob received a written response.

0:33:250:33:31

Two or three weeks down the line,

0:33:310:33:32

the lady from the valuations wrote me a letter and said, no,

0:33:320:33:35

I'm sorry, Mr West, we've examined the facts,

0:33:350:33:38

we definitely think you should be in band B.

0:33:380:33:41

Unhappy with the valuation office's frank rejection of his claims,

0:33:410:33:47

Bob didn't give up, and sat down to compose his case.

0:33:470:33:49

Once you look at the letter properly,

0:33:490:33:51

there was more holes in it than an old nightshirt.

0:33:510:33:56

And effectively what they were trying to say to us was that my house

0:33:560:34:00

had gone up in value from 25,000, which was the value at the time,

0:34:000:34:05

to above 40,000 pounds,

0:34:050:34:08

which was the start limit for the band B council tax band.

0:34:080:34:12

When you did the maths, you could see, 26,000, to 40,000, in two

0:34:120:34:16

and a half years? That's 68%. And there was no way that that was right.

0:34:160:34:24

So, what I did was, I composed this letter

0:34:240:34:26

and sent it off to the valuation office, and I also asked them for

0:34:260:34:31

a valuer to come out to the property to have a look for themselves.

0:34:310:34:35

Nice move.

0:34:350:34:37

Bob's attention to detail in his letter obviously struck a chord,

0:34:370:34:40

and, a few weeks later, a valuer came round.

0:34:400:34:43

He did his survey, looked round, took about 10-20 minutes

0:34:430:34:46

and says, "I'll get back to you, Mr West."

0:34:460:34:50

And, after patiently waiting,

0:34:500:34:52

Bob's concerns over his council tax banding were finally cemented.

0:34:520:34:56

About three weeks later,

0:34:560:34:58

I was fortunate enough to get a letter saying,

0:34:580:35:01

"I am pleased to tell you, that you have actually gone from band B, to band A."

0:35:010:35:04

-His efforts had certainly paid off.

-I got a refund of £2,000.

0:35:040:35:08

I was quite surprised, actually, because it went back to 1993.

0:35:080:35:13

I was paying £170 per year less.

0:35:130:35:15

But, Bob wasn't quite ready to give up his fight.

0:35:150:35:19

He also helped some neighbours with their cases against the council

0:35:190:35:23

and, one by one, they were rebanded and refunded.

0:35:230:35:27

It was quite a substantial amount of money, and I can't thank him enough

0:35:270:35:32

for all the help he has given us.

0:35:320:35:34

We couldn't have done it without Robert's help. Not any way.

0:35:340:35:39

Bob is a community hero.

0:35:390:35:42

If you feel that you're in the wrong council tax band,

0:35:420:35:45

the valuation office, they're fair,

0:35:450:35:47

they will look at things, but you have got to push it.

0:35:470:35:51

If you think you're right, you have got a chance of winning.

0:35:510:35:54

You really have.

0:35:540:35:55

Her Majesty's Revenue And Customs said...

0:35:550:35:58

Have you noticed that nowadays,

0:36:090:36:11

you can't walk down the street without being taxed for something?

0:36:110:36:15

I am always in favour of those people who are trying

0:36:150:36:18

to put wrongs right, and good Samaritan Bob did just that,

0:36:180:36:21

not just himself, he also did it for his neighbours, too.

0:36:210:36:26

Good on you, Bob.

0:36:260:36:27

I'm taking on telecoms giant BT

0:36:340:36:37

for three sets of customers at their wits end.

0:36:370:36:39

Tony Rogers from Nottingham.

0:36:390:36:41

I spent hours and hours on the phone trying to resolve this problem,

0:36:410:36:46

but no-one helped.

0:36:460:36:47

Trudie and Stuart Wilson from Weston-super-Mare.

0:36:470:36:50

I think BT's customer service absolutely stinks.

0:36:500:36:54

And Michael and Annisa Stennett from Durham.

0:36:540:36:57

That's three cases, three complex contracts

0:36:570:37:00

and three lots of cancellation fees

0:37:000:37:03

for services and savings that never materialised.

0:37:030:37:05

I've been dealing with BT for three weeks.

0:37:070:37:10

E-mails have been going back and forth about all three cases,

0:37:100:37:13

and things are looking positive.

0:37:130:37:16

But they still haven't answered

0:37:160:37:17

some of the most basic questions I've put to them.

0:37:170:37:20

It's Dominic Westwood from the BBC. Good afternoon to you.

0:37:200:37:23

I want to see if they stand by their questionable customer service.

0:37:230:37:27

Complex contracts, and where their common sense is

0:37:270:37:30

when dealing with customers.

0:37:300:37:32

I did get your e-mail, thank you very much for that.

0:37:320:37:34

I just want to fine tune a few things.

0:37:350:37:37

This is probably one of the last times you'll be hearing from me,

0:37:370:37:40

you'll be pleased to hear, I'm sure.

0:37:400:37:43

The Stennetts.

0:37:430:37:45

Can you just explain to me

0:37:450:37:47

why they were charged a termination fee for a service they never got?

0:37:470:37:51

'After all, Ofcom said,

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'if there's been a failure to provide the service,

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'you should be able to terminate the contract without penalty.'

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What I'm querying is, they tried to cancel this service

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because they weren't happy for whatever reason, that's fair enough

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and, whether you were able to go round and sort it out,

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is slightly irrelevant.

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The fact is, once it was cancelled,

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they still have got these charges for a service they never received.

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The charges came after it was all cancelled.

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I think that's a bit unfair, don't you?

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'This "computer says no" attitude doesn't bode well with me.'

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'Customers are human beings and, as such, we should be treated as one.'

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I think we will be going round in circles on that.

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'You win some, you lose some.'

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'Next, I want to know about Tony Rogers and his commitment period

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'that he thought was two years, but was actually five.'

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'Ofcom rules say all key aspects, including length of contract,

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'have to be made very clear and upfront. And BT claim they are.'

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'But I beg to differ.'

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The majority, that's two years, is clear enough.

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The 60-month one, you have two really look down and see.

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It doesn't even say five years. And it doesn't say 60 months.

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At the top section it's got period of contract,

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and further down, it says 60.

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It's only then, when you really study it, that you realise,

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hang on a second, one package is five years, one's two years,

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and I think it's very misleading of BT to do it that way.

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'Ofcom thought five years was excessive,

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'which is why they banned it, and as we discovered, quite often,

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'terms and conditions are unclear,

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'to Tony and the Great British public.'

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'This is why I asked for more evidence.'

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The other thing,

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I did request a transcript or copy of the DVD

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with the phone conversation on it.

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He's very sure on the fact that he always thought

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this was a two-year agreement, never a five-year one,

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and I've had this sort of thing myself,

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and it is how a lot of it could be said or explained at the time.

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'What a shame.'

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'It seems they don't have a recording of Tony's call

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'and I don't think I'm going to get much more out of BT.'

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'They just won't answer my awkward questions about

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'their contracts and customer service.'

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Bye-bye.

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'A few more e-mails go back and forth between me

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'and BT to thrash out the finer details.

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'And in the end, we come to three decisions

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'that I hope are good enough for my families.'

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Time to hit the road and deliver some news.

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First, a great positive outcome for the Wilsons.

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"BT would like to apologise to the Wilsons for any inconvenience caused

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"and will not be charging for the service they were unable to receive.

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"Their outstanding balance on their account will be completely cleared."

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Well, I'm absolutely shocked!

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All I can do is say a massive thank you to Dom.

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Michael and Annisa Stennett also came up trumps.

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BT released them from their contract without charge

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and apologised for any inconvenience caused.

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And now, it's back up to Nottingham for one final delivery.

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Now, last time I met Tony,

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he was really passionate about getting out of this contract.

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And I've got some news for him

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which I think he's going to be more than happy to hear.

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Tony? How are you doing, buddy? All right?

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-Getting ready for a busy night?

-Yes, hopefully.

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Right, you want to find out what's happened, don't you?

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Yes I do, please.

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I've been in contact with BT and it all boils down to

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that 60-month contract you've got there, and the 24-month one.

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-Whatever happens, you want out of this contract, don't you?

-Yes, I do.

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And it's caused you a lot of distress and a lot of worry, etc.

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60 month contract, tear it up.

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Yep? Oh, I love this. Very good.

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Right, 24-month contract. Don't tear it up.

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BT have agreed to release Tony from his contract after two years -

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with no penalty.

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"We would also like to offer a goodwill gesture of £50."

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-Are you happy?

-Yeah, yeah!

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You look very happy, which is a good thing!

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You're getting a bit... Aw, I like you!

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Thank you!

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Sorry.

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Don't worry. How'd you feel?

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I want to kiss you right now!

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You're a very passionate man, I know that, Tony,

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but that's out of the question!

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I'll have a glass of vino with you, but no kissing, all right?

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BT issued us with a final written statement.

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They said...

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I am feeling over the moon.

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I am gobsmacked! Thank you!

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Crikey, I was not expecting a reaction like that!

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But it just goes to show, how passionate Tony was

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about getting out of that contract.

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And there's a lesson there for all of us.

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We've got to be so careful what we are signing up for,

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even if it's on the phone.

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