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I've been fighting consumer battles for years | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
but there are still many companies trying to do one over on you. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
They don't care. As long as the cash register's going ching-ching, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
that's all they care about. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
Thousands of you are still subject to unfair treatment | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
from poor customer service to hidden small print and faulty products. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
What can we do? Make a complaint maybe, that'll get lost in the telecommunications abyss. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
These companies simply don't seem to care and are causing you | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
the consumer a lot of unnecessary stress. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Never fear. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
I'll take want your consumer battles to make sure you don't get done. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
Coming up on today's show, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
BT could stand for Bad Times | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
as gripes about their complex contracts | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
and careless customer service mount up. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
I've got over 60 different BT complaints in my inbox. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
We had no service whatsoever to get any sort of phone line. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
I had to walk half a mile to a phone box. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
After I entered BT, my bills was coming at nearly four times as much. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Why is that? | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
We see how you guys have been fighting your own battles | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
with a visit to one community hero who single-handedly fought | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
the council over his council tax banding. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
When you did the maths you could see it. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
26,000 and 40,000 in two and-a-half years? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
There was no way that I could believe that was right. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
And we hit the high street to discover whether you ladies and | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
gents of the UK know your consumer rights from your consumer wrongs. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
That would be useful, yeah. I didn't know that. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
When I was a kid, and I'm not talking about that long ago, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
making a call with BT was fairly straightforward. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Hello? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
Hello, is Dom there, please? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Never heard of him. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
But today, it's all about contracts, order forms, direct debits. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hi. Is Dom there, please? | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
I said I've never heard of him! | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
With all that paperwork and contracts, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
inevitably there are going to be a few crossed lines. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
And someone who knows crossed lines of communication only too well | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
is 50-year-old Tony Rodgers from Nottingham. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Tony has run his family restaurant for 12 years. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
We are a Mediterranean Italian restaurant and we serve fish, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
steaks, pastas, pizzas. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
But like any small UK business, the recession has meant | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
looking at all possible ways to save money and in October 2010, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
one well-known phone operator presented an offer he couldn't refuse. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:02 | |
I had a number of phone calls from British Telecom | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
and I kept talking to them but refusing. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
The lady says, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
"Can we look at your bills and let us see what we can do for you?" | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
So Tony sent BT his bill and they responded promising | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
their package could save him an impressive 16% every month. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:29 | |
I looked at the contract and I was extremely happy with the deal | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
I made with the British Telecom. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:34 | |
I was told it was a 24 month contract. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
I signed it, e-mailed it back to them | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
and hoped everything would go smoothly from then on. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
Not quite smoothly. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
After taking a whole week to get Tony's restaurant landline | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
up and running, things got worse. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
Several months down the line, the promise BT made of a monthly 16% saving just wasn't ringing true. | 0:03:53 | 0:04:00 | |
After I entered BT my bills was coming at nearly four times as much. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
Why is that? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
BT eventually accepted they'd put Tony on the wrong calling plan | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
and credited his account. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
But even with this rectification, Tony couldn't understand why | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
he wasn't seeing the savings BT had promised. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
He wasn't yet at the end of his contract period | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
but rang BT to tell them he wanted out. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
Cue yet another nasty surprise. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
I was in a conversation with one of their staff | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
in New Delhi and he told me it was not a two year contract, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
it was five years. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
It was a great shock to the system. Horrifying. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Even more shocking were the cancellation fees | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
BT told Tony he'd have to pay to leave. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
The stress was starting to take its toll. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
I feel that as a restaurateur, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
I was spending too much time on the phone. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Hours after hours wasting my time | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
for something I was hoping was going to save me money and hassle free. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:06 | |
I ended up in hospital twice because I had suspected heart attacks. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:12 | |
Because of so much anxiety. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
I admit, I have shouted at them, they shouted back at me. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
I put the phone down on them, they put the phone down on me. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I believe that Dom could help me to get out this contract, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
to relieve my family, myself and my restaurant | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
from stress that we never wanted and we never deserved. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
Sounds like Tony is having a Bad Time with BT. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
I think it's definitely time for some serious intervention | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
so I travelled 130 miles to... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Nottingham. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Home of Robin Hood and Tony Rodgers, who runs this restaurant | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
and has got a problem with BT. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-How are you doing, Tony? -Nice to see you, Dominic. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
-You've got a problem you want to talk about? -Yes, I do. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
-Can we do it with a coffee? -Yes, of course. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
-Thank you, I'd love that! -You're welcome. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
First, I know Tony wants to leave BT | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
because even after his calling plan was corrected | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
the savings they promised never happened | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
but how far from the truth are we talking? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
It is, in the last bill I've had is £106.43. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Prior to that, from Virgin, was around £40. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
It's gone from a supposed saving, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
-to it's actually costing you more money. -Yes. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
'And Tony's bills weren't the only thing | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
'that didn't make sense to him.' | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
As far as you were concerned, what contract were you in? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
I was in a 24 month contract, as far as I was concerned. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
So, when did you realise that, actually, you weren't? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
I would say after a couple of months of arguing with them. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
-And that was the very first you ever recall hearing it? -Yes, yes. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
And you were shocked? How bad? | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
-I ended up twice in hospital after talking to BT. -Why? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
I got angry, I shouted because nobody was listening. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
At that point, did all you want was to get out of the contract that you had signed | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
and just go back with who you were with before? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
-Yes, I tried very hard. -You obviously asked them for that? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
-Yes, I did. -What did they say? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
One of the managers told me that I had to pay £1,000. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
-A grand?! -Yes. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
'I can hardly believe my ears. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
'£1,000 to get out of the contract | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
'that unexpectedly turned from two years to five years?!' | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Before I came down today I contacted BT | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and I asked them for a copy of the contract that they sent you. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Now, this is what they said you signed. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
Have a look through this | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
because, I mean, there's tons and tons of small print and terms and conditions, etc, etc. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Just read that section up there. What does it say? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
"The committed period is 24 months." | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
OK. Which agrees with what you're saying. You are committed for two years. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
-Would you say that's black-and-white? -Yes. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
No confusion there at all, is there? | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
'But things are never that simple, are they? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
'As squirreled away in the small print is a distinctly longer commitment period. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
'Three years, in fact, for the line rental side of his deal with BT. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
'But owning a small business in a fickle UK economy | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
'means Tony has to be careful what he commits to | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
'and he has always been well aware of that.' | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Five years is far too long, in this day and age, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
to commit yourself and my company. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
For the sake of 16% it wasn't me while to make that decision. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
'Sensible words. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
'It seems it would have taken a hell of a telesales pitch | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
'to get Tony to agree to any contract of that length | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
'but he did put pen to paper. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
'I think Tony has signed the contract | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
'not noticing the longer commitment period was there.' | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
-What would you be happy with? -I just want to cancel my contract. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
-OK. -I am not after any money, I just want to be left alone, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
to go back to what I had. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Yeah, you want out and I think, you know, I don't blame you at all. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
'While I investigate I've also asked Tony to do some research | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
'on what kind of contract lengths other companies are offering.' | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
I tell you what, it seems like between BT and Tony | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
there is a few crossed wires | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and a very lengthy contract that Tony doesn't want to be in. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
Let's see if I can get him out of it. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
But it's not just Tony who's having a BT battle. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
A quick glance at my inbox shows me | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
that there are many more angry customers. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
So, I've decided to take on two more cases, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
including the plight of Annisa and Michael Stennett from Durham | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
and the uncalled for cancellation charges. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
And Stuart and Trudie Wilson from Weston-super-Mare | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
who've also received charges for services they never wanted. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
BT's complex contracts have enabled them to be hit with these unexpected fees | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
and BT customer services aren't budging. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
More about them later. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
First, time to get the ball rolling with a sternly worded e-mail | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
outlining all three cases I want BT to look into. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
But what will BT's response be when I grill them | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
about their customer service standards and confusing contracts? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
He believes he was always on a 24 month contract | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
so I just need to query whether it was clear | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
that one part of it was 60 months and one part of it was 24 months. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
Birmingham, the city said to be the birthplace of heavy metal | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
and once home to the famous band Black Sabbath. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
It is now home to over one million consumers | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
who may be headbanging when it comes to the subject of consumer law. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Does the average Brummie know their Sales of Goods | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
from the Trade Descriptions Act? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
If not, they should and so should you. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
We're in a busy shopping district | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and my researchers are about to find out | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
just how clued-up you, the general public, are. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
First question, "Something Fishy". | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
"You buy a goldfish from a pet shop | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
"but unfortunately it dies within a fortnight, what can you do?" | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Flush it down the toilet! | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
I don't think you can do anything, really. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
-Take it back. -Take it back, yeah. Try and get my money back. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
Well, I'd say that you could take it back | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
and demand a new goldfish or your money back. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Correct, but a mixed bag of answers there. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Provided you treated the fish correctly, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
buying a pet entitles you to the same consumer rights | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
as any other product. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
Meaning a refund or a new goldfish. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
However, the shop could ask you to produce the dead goldfish | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and a sample of the water in your aquarium in separate bags. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
-OK. -Don't flush it down the toilet then! | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Don't do that, it might come back and it you on the bum! | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Next up, it's, "Electric Shocker". | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
"The fuse box breaks in your house, leaving you with no electricity. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
"You call out an electrician who replaces the fuse box | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
"but presents you with a huge bill. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
"You disagree with the price | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
"as you think he has charged too much for parts and labour, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
"what can you do?" | 0:12:07 | 0:12:08 | |
There must be someone you can complain to? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
I don't know who though. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
If it's a main company, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
I would definitely go to the company and complain. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
-I'd probably just pay it! -I'd just pay it and... | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
-Just be like, "That's how much it costs." -..be annoyed for two days. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Get a receipt, obviously, and go to Citizens Advice. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
-Probably compare it to somebody else or... -Yeah, see what they can do. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
Correct, three out of four of them are along the right lines. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
You should pay the bill | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
but write, "Paid under protest," on the cheque you pay with | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
or the company's documentation. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
You should then immediately write to the organisation in question | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
to dispute the price charged. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
You should also get quotes from other electricians | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
to see what they would charge for similar work. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
I didn't even know that. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Never happened to me yet! | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Who knows what the future holds? Hopefully, now, HE won't get done. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
Final question, "Horror Holiday". | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
"You choose to fly to Spain in three weeks | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
"but the airline calls cancelling your flight. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
"It can't transfer you to another flight | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
"but just refund your ticket price. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
"All other flights are exceptionally expensive at short notice. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
"Should the airline pay you compensation for the difference?" | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
If they've cancelled it | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
then, surely, they should help you out to get your holiday. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Well, I think they should but I don't think they would! | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
They've given a refund already, so...that's more than enough. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
Correct, two out of three, not bad. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
If you've been given two weeks notice, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
the company only have to refund your money and nothing more. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
With a flight cancellation | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
you'd be entitled to a refund of the ticket price, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
a re-route as soon as possible | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
or a re-route at a later, convenient date | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
BUT if you bought travel insurance when booking | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
check these terms and conditions because you may be covered. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
They seem to be a law unto themselves, don't they? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
Most of the time regulations in place are fair to the consumer, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
so know your rights. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
I'm glad that my hard work in educating you is slowly paying off | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and less of you are getting done! | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
Earlier on I met the restaurant owner Tony Rogers from Nottingham | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
who, after being promised a deal 16% cheaper, switched to BT. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
The reality was that his bills increased and when he went to cancel | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
BT presented him with yet another shocker. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Instead of the two-year contract he thought he was on, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
the small print stated something else. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
The darkest moment of this process | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
was when I found out that I'm in a contract for five years with BT. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
And, what's more, BT wanted £1,000 in fees to cancel this contract. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:55 | |
I couldn't afford, I still, today, can't afford £1,000. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
I was hoping to save 16%, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
which would have been six pounds a month. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
In cases like this with big companies, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
it always pays to know who you are up against. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
So, time for me to do some research. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
BT should know better. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
They are the major provider of telecommunications networks and services in the UK. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
Despite being one of the big boys | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
and making £1.7 billion before tax last year, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
they claim one of their main priorities | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
is to be the brand for business in the UK. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
I'm sure Tony would have something to say about that one. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Listed among their brand values are to be trustworthy, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
helpful and straightforward. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
But as far as some of their customers are concerned, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
they're not living up to their promise. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
There's no doubt about it, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
when it comes to BT, Tony is not a happy chappie. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
And, unsurprisingly, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
his problem is not the only one clogging up my inbox. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
I've already sent an e-mail to BT letting them know I've taken on Tony's case, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
but also the cases of two other couples who have suffered at the hands of BT. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:04 | |
Stuart and Trudy Wilson, from Weston-super-Mare, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
were also tempted by a good-looking BT offer. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
This time for their landline and broadband connection. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
We cancelled the Sky contract. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
We didn't want to have the television any longer, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
so we wanted to go from Sky to BT. It seemed like a cheaper option. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
So, on 1st August 2010, they placed their order | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
and were told the changeover would happen three weeks later on the 25th. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
But it didn't. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
So, we were left without any connection whatsoever. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
And when we contacted BT they told us it could be two to three weeks | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
before a re-connection could be made. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Two to three weeks?! With no phone line or broadband! | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
BT had another go at fixing the problem but failed again, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
leaving Stuart with only one option. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
To get any phone line I had to walk half a mile to a phone box. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Stuart made countless trips to his nearest phone box trying to get the issue rectified. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:10 | |
The Wilsons found BT to be a communications company | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
who were a nightmare to communicate with. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
You are just bashing your head against a brick wall all of the time. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
BT failed a second time to connect them, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
so they cancelled their contract and went back to Sky. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
But a few days later, against their wishes, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
BT went ahead with the connection and proceeded to bill them. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
And then if we did try and get out of being with BT, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
they wanted £150 cancellation fee of the contract we didn't have. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:47 | |
So, like Tony, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
the Wilsons were struck with a stiff cancellation fee. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Not a grand, but still £150 for an unwanted service, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and it didn't stop there. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
From October 2010 until May 2011, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
BT continued to send bill, after bill, after bill. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
The Wilsons were horrified that they were being asked to fork out | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
for a service they simply didn't want from BT. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
They refused to pay, so BT sent in the heavies. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
They started to put these bills over to a debt collection agency | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
who were phoning us up until 10pm at night, every night. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
They were writing us letters. It was just beyond belief. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
I have been in tears on several occasions. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
They've now reached a stalemate with BT. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
We need Dom's help because we've taken it as far as we possibly can. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
The Wilsons have a final bill of £371.85 for a service they didn't want. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:52 | |
And, like Tony, they found dealing with customer services | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
as painful as pulling teeth. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
All because they signed on the dreaded dotted line, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
meaning BT can charge what they want regardless of the service provided. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
I guess I am a glutton for punishment, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
because I'm also going to help out one more couple, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Anisa and Michael Stennett from Durham, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
who shortly after signing a new BT contract, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
decided to cancel as nothing was working. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
Regardless of a lack of service, they too were hit with charges | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
and cancellation fees to the sum of £368.58. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
Just like the Wilsons, their complaints were ignored by BT. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
And just like the Wilsons, they had the debt collectors set on them. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Seems to me the common dominator in all of these cases | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
boils down to one thing - customer service. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
People are being promised one thing, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
yet being given something completely different. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
And when customers quite rightly complained about not getting the savings or service promised, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
BT quote the terms and conditions in their contract, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
throwing common sense out of the window. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
So, I've already sent an e-mail to BT outlining all three cases. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
And BT have responded saying the cases are dead, over and done with. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
Well, not in my book. Time to get on the blower. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
Hi, good afternoon, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
my name is Dominic Littlewood, I'm calling from the BBC. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
First up, Tony's confusing contracts. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
Much to his surprise he was tied into a 60-month commitment period | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
for his line rental, when his call package was just 24 months. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
When he would have taken this on board, would that have been | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
a telephone sales call, they normally are? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Can I request a copy of that phone call, please? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
He believes he was always on a 24-month contract, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
so I just need to query whether it was clear one part of it was 60 months, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
and one part was 24 months. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
I doubt I'll get it but it's always worth asking for a recording | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
to see if they can prove what was sold on the phone. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
BT now say the cases are no longer dead | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
but they need time to investigate everything further. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Until then, there is some legislation they need to adhere to | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
regarding the debt collectors hounding the Wilsons and the Stennetts. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
In accordance with UK law, can you call off the bailiffs now? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
Because until the dispute has been resolved, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
it actually becomes illegal for anybody to be pursued for money | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
with bailiffs or debt recovery agents. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
I am dealing with a woman in the BT Press Office, which is fine, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
but I also want a direct contact for customer services. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
I will come to you in all cases, but just for my record, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
who is the head of customer services? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
OK, but obviously I will always come to you first. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
OK, I'll get back in touch with you very, very soon. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
And can you let me know about that conversation soon? I appreciate that. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
Bye, bye. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
Now, she doesn't want her voice to be recorded, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
but she has basically said, these cases are not dead | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
and now you're involved, we will re-look at them. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
I asked who's in charge? She said, "Send everything to me." | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
I said, "No, who is in charge?" And I got the name. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Well, now I've got that, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
should I need to take things further I shall just go direct to him. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
Get those names, get those numbers wherever possible. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Almost immediately after this call, I get an e-mail from BT | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
stating they have put the dreaded debt collectors on hold. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Which is brilliant news for the Wilsons and the Stennetts. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
That's one less sleepless night and one small battle won. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
But, while BT mull over my other case questions, I have asked Tony | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
and the Wilsons to do some research to help me build my argument. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
I want the Wilsons to take a look at some online forums to see | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
if other BT customers suffer poor customer relations | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
and a service not being provided in a timely manner or at all. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
"Dear BT, I am pretty appalled at the service I have received. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
"The line is still not working despite the many attempts | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
"I have made to report the fault. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
"Your operatives have hung up on me unintentionally mid-call, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
"usually while transferring to another of your million departments." | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
That is about right! | 0:23:06 | 0:23:07 | |
Obviously a different complaint, but the thing about | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
"I should be billing you and not vice versa" rings true, doesn't it? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
What the Wilsons have read are unsubstantiated claims | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
but it's strange that so many other customers seem to have been bitten by the same BT bug. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
It is reassuring to know we are not the only ones. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
So, from poor customer service to poor contracts. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
In Nottingham I have got Tony looking at other companies' contract lengths. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
What is a normal commitment period? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Five years seems a bit excessive to me. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
I have just been on the phone with other phone providers. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
The longest term of contract is two years, 24 months. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
It seems BT's five-year contract was unusual. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
But as we know, Tony thought he was on a two-year deal. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
It was only when he tried to cancel that he found the small print bound him for five. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
Contracts can be confusing and I wonder if the Great British public agree. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
My research team have hit the streets to find out your views | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
on complex contracts and tricky terms and conditions. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
I think contracts, it's not fair they're getting longer and longer. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I think 12 months maximum is all that's needed, really. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
It's always going to be difficult negotiating with a big company | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
as to how long you should be tied into a contract for. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Pretty much, you have to take what you're given, so it's not fair. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
What if you are given a document with pages and pages | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
of terms and conditions and small print? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
If you are older, you need to get the glasses on to read the small print. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
But nobody reads it, it's only afterwards you might go back | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
and look at the second page and you get bored witless. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
It definitely needs to be made more clear. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
It's like you are signing your life away. You don't know what to expect. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
And she is not wrong. | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
While looking at BT standard contract wording, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
I've spotted something worrying. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
Let's see if these guys are as shocked as I am about what seems an outrageous clause | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
but quite a common one in contracts with big companies. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
BT can change the conditions, including the charges at any time. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:18 | |
I suppose if they got desperate, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
they could charging 500 quid for a telephone call, couldn't they? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
According to that. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
That's totally wrong. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
I thought because they're a company that go way back... | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
That has really shocked me, actually. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
This means they can basically charge you what ever they want at any time | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
and you would have no say. That is just crazy. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
It is wrong. Isn't it? It is inequality, they can set the terms and conditions | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
and we just pretty much have to accept. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
We should do something about it. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Well, you just heard the Great British public are not too pleased | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
about BT's great big contracts and tyrannical Ts&Cs. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
It's got me thinking about the bigger issue. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
More and more companies are pushing us into longer and longer contracts. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
Mobile phones, phones, broadbands and even gyms. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
But are they really that necessary or have we created a contract culture? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
What I'm really trying to say is, do we need all of that paperwork and small print? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
What do you reckon darlin', nuts or bananas? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Oh, bananas, every time. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
You sure? I was thinking nuts myself. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
You would, wouldn't you? | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Indeed I would but, laughter aside, I want to get to the nuts and bolts of this issue. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
So, we've arranged an interview with Ofcom, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
the regulators for the communications industries. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
Why do we even need contracts? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
You would always have a contract for your phone | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
because that protects both parties. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
It helps both sides | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
to know exactly what is expected of the provider | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
and what is expected of you. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
OK, fair enough, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
but what if there is a lack of clarity in the small print? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
How do you know what to expect? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
All key aspects, the price, length of the contract, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
there are rules that say they have to be made very clear and upfront. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
I would advise anybody to make sure they ask those questions. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
Don't wait to be told, make sure you ask the question. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
If you ask the question and you are either lied to or not told, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
then your case is much stronger. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
It seems BT may have not stuck to the rules. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
Tony was adamant he was sold a two-year contract on the phone, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
not a five-year one. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Hence why I have asked for recording of the call. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And, as we have seen Tony is not the only angry one. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
My team has spoken to numerous members of the public | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
who are appalled by one particular clause on BT's standard contract. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
Most contracts will have a term that say providers can change the terms | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
and they do need to be able to do that. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
But there are rules which stop them from doing just what they like. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
There are rules which say if they are changing a term and it's going to be likely to be of material detriment, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
then they have to notify customers and give them one month's notice. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
OK, but me and the people we spoke to find it ludicrous | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
that clause appears on BT's contract in the first place. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
I don't think the caveat is good enough. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
What rights do customers have within their contract | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
if a company like BT don't provide the service they assured? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Certainly, if you have not received what you were promised, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
there has been a failure to provide the service at all, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
you should be able to cancel that contract without any penalty. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Right, so essentially Tony didn't get savings, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
even after his calling plan correction and the Wilsons | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
and the Stennetts did not get a service within an adequate timeframe. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Yet, they face big fees and charges. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
How can BT get away with this? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
If it is a delay, then that is slightly more difficult | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
because it will depend on what your contract actually said you are entitled to. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
So, if the service was guaranteed to be provided on a certain date, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
then maybe you would have a right to cancel. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
But if it was a provisional date, it is slightly more difficult | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
and it would come down to how long the delay was and whether it was reasonable. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
So they look at things on a case-by-case basis | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
but I also discovered something else. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
It turns out that although the selling | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
and cancellation of landlines is regulated, broadband isn't as yet. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
I think this should be addressed | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
as these contracts commit people for a very long time. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
For any contract for telecoms, whether it is mobile, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
landline or broadband, there is a rule which says | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
you cannot have a contract for more than 24 months, minimum contract period. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
That explains why during Tony's research he could not find | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
any other companies offering contracts for longer than two years. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Good news for you consumers but not good for Tony, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
because he signed his contract before this ruling came in. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
I do feel Ofcom cleared a number of things up | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
and I feel I have a very strong case against BT. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
Tony's five-year tie in wasn't clear to him and the Stennetts | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
and the Wilsons have been charged for services that were not received | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
within what I would consider a reasonable timeframe. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
And I'd like to think Ofcom would agree it was unreasonable too. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
It is clear, there are still some issues that are muddy. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
Because the world of telecoms is so complicated, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
not everything is regulated. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
For me, the bottom line is, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
BT should forget the crafty contracts and get some common sense. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
They didn't deliver the goods, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
so they shouldn't penalise their customers. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I am going to let them know what I think. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Whether you were able to go round | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
and sort it out or not is slightly irrelevant. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
The fact is, once it was cancelled | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
they still got these charges for a service they never received. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
More and more of you are becoming consumer savvy nowadays | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
and by putting your knowledge to the test, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
you are getting some cracking results against the big boys. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
And here is how you did it. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
With some 23 million homes in the UK, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
the Government rakes in around £26 billion a year in council tax. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
Since 1993, we have all had to pay this tax under certain bandings, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
from 'A' the lowest amount, to the highest at band 'H', | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
based on property valuations as of 1st April 1991. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
It's the Valuation Office Agency to tell local authorities | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
how much you have to pay. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
But what happens if you dispute the band you have been placed in? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
You could find yourself having the door slammed in your face. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
Meet 54-year-old, Bob West. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
He's lived in his three-bed semi-detached council house | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
for a very long time. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
I was born in 1957 and I've lived in this particular house since 1958. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
That's 53 years. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
When Bob and his family bought the house in 1988, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
it was valued at around £25,000. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
But when council tax was introduced in 1993, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Bob was given a 'B' banding for his home. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
He believed it should be in the lowest bracket, 'A', | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
for houses worth less than £40,000. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
I knew this house was not worth between 40 and £52,000. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
I put an appeal in about 1993. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
But fearing the Council may make him pay more instead of less, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
Bob, withdrew this appeal. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
However, a few years later his suspicions over his banding | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
were aroused once again. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
I left it until about 2009, I think it was. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
At that particular time there was a neighbour of mine | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
that called and said I have had a knock on the door from a company | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
that say they can get a council tax reduction for me. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
I thought it was a scam at that time. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
I thought somebody was just trying to make money out of it. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
I didn't think no more of it. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
But a few days later, after I had spoken to the lady, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
I thought, I am not in the right tax band. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
In September 2010, Bob decided to get the ball rolling again. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:16 | |
So I thought, no, I'll have a go at this. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
I'll actually phone Durham valuation office up. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
I suggested to them that I may have been in the wrong band, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
I should have been in band A. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
On 30 September, Bob received a written response. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:31 | |
Two or three weeks down the line, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
the lady from the valuations wrote me a letter and said, no, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
I'm sorry, Mr West, we've examined the facts, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
we definitely think you should be in band B. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Unhappy with the valuation office's frank rejection of his claims, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:47 | |
Bob didn't give up, and sat down to compose his case. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
Once you look at the letter properly, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
there was more holes in it than an old nightshirt. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
And effectively what they were trying to say to us was that my house | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
had gone up in value from 25,000, which was the value at the time, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
to above 40,000 pounds, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
which was the start limit for the band B council tax band. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
When you did the maths, you could see, 26,000, to 40,000, in two | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
and a half years? That's 68%. And there was no way that that was right. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:24 | |
So, what I did was, I composed this letter | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
and sent it off to the valuation office, and I also asked them for | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
a valuer to come out to the property to have a look for themselves. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
Nice move. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Bob's attention to detail in his letter obviously struck a chord, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
and, a few weeks later, a valuer came round. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
He did his survey, looked round, took about 10-20 minutes | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
and says, "I'll get back to you, Mr West." | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
And, after patiently waiting, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
Bob's concerns over his council tax banding were finally cemented. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
About three weeks later, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
I was fortunate enough to get a letter saying, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
"I am pleased to tell you, that you have actually gone from band B, to band A." | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
-His efforts had certainly paid off. -I got a refund of £2,000. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
I was quite surprised, actually, because it went back to 1993. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
I was paying £170 per year less. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
But, Bob wasn't quite ready to give up his fight. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
He also helped some neighbours with their cases against the council | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
and, one by one, they were rebanded and refunded. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
It was quite a substantial amount of money, and I can't thank him enough | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
for all the help he has given us. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
We couldn't have done it without Robert's help. Not any way. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:39 | |
Bob is a community hero. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
If you feel that you're in the wrong council tax band, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
the valuation office, they're fair, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
they will look at things, but you have got to push it. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
If you think you're right, you have got a chance of winning. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
You really have. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
Her Majesty's Revenue And Customs said... | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
Have you noticed that nowadays, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
you can't walk down the street without being taxed for something? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
I am always in favour of those people who are trying | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
to put wrongs right, and good Samaritan Bob did just that, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
not just himself, he also did it for his neighbours, too. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
Good on you, Bob. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
I'm taking on telecoms giant BT | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
for three sets of customers at their wits end. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Tony Rogers from Nottingham. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
I spent hours and hours on the phone trying to resolve this problem, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
but no-one helped. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
Trudie and Stuart Wilson from Weston-super-Mare. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
I think BT's customer service absolutely stinks. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
And Michael and Annisa Stennett from Durham. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
That's three cases, three complex contracts | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
and three lots of cancellation fees | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
for services and savings that never materialised. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
I've been dealing with BT for three weeks. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
E-mails have been going back and forth about all three cases, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and things are looking positive. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
But they still haven't answered | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
some of the most basic questions I've put to them. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
It's Dominic Westwood from the BBC. Good afternoon to you. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
I want to see if they stand by their questionable customer service. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
Complex contracts, and where their common sense is | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
when dealing with customers. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
I did get your e-mail, thank you very much for that. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I just want to fine tune a few things. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
This is probably one of the last times you'll be hearing from me, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
you'll be pleased to hear, I'm sure. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
The Stennetts. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
Can you just explain to me | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
why they were charged a termination fee for a service they never got? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
'After all, Ofcom said, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
'if there's been a failure to provide the service, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
'you should be able to terminate the contract without penalty.' | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
What I'm querying is, they tried to cancel this service | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
because they weren't happy for whatever reason, that's fair enough | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
and, whether you were able to go round and sort it out, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
is slightly irrelevant. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
The fact is, once it was cancelled, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
they still have got these charges for a service they never received. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
The charges came after it was all cancelled. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
I think that's a bit unfair, don't you? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
'This "computer says no" attitude doesn't bode well with me.' | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
'Customers are human beings and, as such, we should be treated as one.' | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
I think we will be going round in circles on that. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
'You win some, you lose some.' | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
'Next, I want to know about Tony Rogers and his commitment period | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
'that he thought was two years, but was actually five.' | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
'Ofcom rules say all key aspects, including length of contract, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
'have to be made very clear and upfront. And BT claim they are.' | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
'But I beg to differ.' | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
The majority, that's two years, is clear enough. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
The 60-month one, you have two really look down and see. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
It doesn't even say five years. And it doesn't say 60 months. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
At the top section it's got period of contract, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
and further down, it says 60. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
It's only then, when you really study it, that you realise, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
hang on a second, one package is five years, one's two years, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
and I think it's very misleading of BT to do it that way. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
'Ofcom thought five years was excessive, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
'which is why they banned it, and as we discovered, quite often, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
'terms and conditions are unclear, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
'to Tony and the Great British public.' | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
'This is why I asked for more evidence.' | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
The other thing, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
I did request a transcript or copy of the DVD | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
with the phone conversation on it. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
He's very sure on the fact that he always thought | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
this was a two-year agreement, never a five-year one, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
and I've had this sort of thing myself, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
and it is how a lot of it could be said or explained at the time. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
'What a shame.' | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
'It seems they don't have a recording of Tony's call | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
'and I don't think I'm going to get much more out of BT.' | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
'They just won't answer my awkward questions about | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
'their contracts and customer service.' | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
'A few more e-mails go back and forth between me | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
'and BT to thrash out the finer details. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
'And in the end, we come to three decisions | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
'that I hope are good enough for my families.' | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
Time to hit the road and deliver some news. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
First, a great positive outcome for the Wilsons. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
"BT would like to apologise to the Wilsons for any inconvenience caused | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
"and will not be charging for the service they were unable to receive. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
"Their outstanding balance on their account will be completely cleared." | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
Well, I'm absolutely shocked! | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
All I can do is say a massive thank you to Dom. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Michael and Annisa Stennett also came up trumps. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
BT released them from their contract without charge | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
and apologised for any inconvenience caused. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
And now, it's back up to Nottingham for one final delivery. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
Now, last time I met Tony, | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
he was really passionate about getting out of this contract. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
And I've got some news for him | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
which I think he's going to be more than happy to hear. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
Tony? How are you doing, buddy? All right? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
-Getting ready for a busy night? -Yes, hopefully. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Right, you want to find out what's happened, don't you? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Yes I do, please. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
I've been in contact with BT and it all boils down to | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
that 60-month contract you've got there, and the 24-month one. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
-Whatever happens, you want out of this contract, don't you? -Yes, I do. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
And it's caused you a lot of distress and a lot of worry, etc. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
60 month contract, tear it up. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
Yep? Oh, I love this. Very good. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
Right, 24-month contract. Don't tear it up. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
BT have agreed to release Tony from his contract after two years - | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
with no penalty. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
"We would also like to offer a goodwill gesture of £50." | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
-Are you happy? -Yeah, yeah! | 0:41:55 | 0:41:56 | |
You look very happy, which is a good thing! | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
You're getting a bit... Aw, I like you! | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Thank you! | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
Sorry. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
Don't worry. How'd you feel? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
I want to kiss you right now! | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
You're a very passionate man, I know that, Tony, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
but that's out of the question! | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I'll have a glass of vino with you, but no kissing, all right? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
BT issued us with a final written statement. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
They said... | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
I am feeling over the moon. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
I am gobsmacked! Thank you! | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
Crikey, I was not expecting a reaction like that! | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
But it just goes to show, how passionate Tony was | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
about getting out of that contract. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
And there's a lesson there for all of us. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
We've got to be so careful what we are signing up for, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
even if it's on the phone. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:10 | |
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