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'I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
'In fact, taking companies to task has become my goal in life.' | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Do you think she deserves her money back? | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
I said yeah. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
'Any problem, no matter how big or small, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
'I'll help you get the service you deserve.' | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
I just still cannot believe that they would come out | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
to a 19-year-old lad, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
they were just going to drive away and leave him. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
'Whether it involves getting your money back...' | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
I'm looking for about £20K to sort this out once and for all. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
'..or taking on your contract conundrums.' | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
They said it was commercially acceptable, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
well, it's not acceptable to me. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
'Whatever the issue, I'm here to help.' | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
On today's programme: | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
What happens when you start | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
getting billed for a mobile phone that you've never had? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
I then phoned O2 and said, "Look, we've never had the phone | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
"so we are not going to pay for a phone we've not had." | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Credit rating. Do you really know what that means? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Well, we go behind the scenes to find out the best way | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
to manage your score. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
A credit score is a simple indication of how likely it is | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
that you'll repay any credit you're applying for. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Holidays in England, we're encouraged to take them, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
but if you haven't taken out insurance, where do you stand? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
I hoped that Centre Parcs would make an exception to the rule | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
and postpone our holiday. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
I'm tackling your consumer issues to make sure you don't get done. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Mobiles phones - it seems we can't live without them these days. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
They're an integral part of our lifestyles. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Whether we're using them to text, phone calls, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
surfing the internet, even watching TV. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
With 94% of British adults owning a mobile phone | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
it's big business for the numerous companies out there | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
offering a variety of makes, models and contracts | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
so that you can choose the right deal for you. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
But I've heard from some of you | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
whose mobile phone purchase has rung up nothing but a huge debt! | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
Take the Andrews family in 2012. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
20-year-old son Matthew wanted an upgrade | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
and he turned to mum Louise to help find him a phone. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Normally we'd go in store to get my phone, but it looked cheaper | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
to do it online, so we went online to do it that way. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Matthew was looking for an iPhone 4S | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
with a two-year contract at a sub £30 a month commitment. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:30 | |
The family came across a deal from online site mobiles.co.uk, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
a subsidiary of Carphone Warehouse. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
I was getting the handset for free. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
I think it was 2gb of data, unlimited texts and 7,500 minutes. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:48 | |
And I think that was for £29 per month, I think. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
The 24-month contract was being provided by O2 | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
and with such a good deal on the table | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Matthew and his mum decided to go ahead with ordering the phone. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Everything was quite clear, wasn't it? | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
And it was quite easy to use from a browsing point of view, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
looking at what we were wanting to buy. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
But what happened next made the family wish they'd | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
gone down the old fashioned route and bought in store. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
With any order that you do online you've got | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
the option of having it delivered to a works address. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I was quite happy for that to happen because I've had | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
so many parcels delivered to work when I've ordered things online. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
But actually entering the address proved to be the downfall | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
when the website did not recognise her work address | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and defaulted to another nearby one. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
It wouldn't allow me to change it at all. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
We removed the option to have it delivered to work. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Because it seemed to be too complicated, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
nothing like I'd ever come across before | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
when I'd ordered anything online. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
So she changed her options to have it delivered the next day | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
but this time to her home address. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
But that's when the confusion arose. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
I said to Matthew, "I haven't got a confirmation page, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
"that's really weird, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
"I don't know that that's actually been processed properly." | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Having changed the delivery address to their home, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
but not receiving a webpage confirming the order | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
they were unsure if it had gone through, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
so Matthew checked his emails. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Normally you get a confirmation email from any company, saying, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
"This is your order, this is what you've paid, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
"this is when it will be delivered," sort of thing, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
just like an online receipt. We didn't get one of them | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
and then I continued to check all through the day | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
to see if anything was going to come through about when it was scheduled | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
to be delivered or anything like that. That didn't come. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
And it wasn't only an email confirmation the family didn't get, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
the new phone didn't arrive the next day as promised. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
Or the following days after that. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
I really did just assume | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
that the order just hadn't been properly completed. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
But a month later an email did arrive | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
from O2, with a bill for £53 for his new contract on the iPhone 4. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
When I received the bill, it was a bit of a mystery really. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
I didn't know why I was being billed for a phone | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
that I hadn't received yet. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
And at this point Matthew's dad Colin got involved. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I then spoke to O2 who were very helpful. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
They tried to point out what had happened, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
I established that the phone had been delivered. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
It had then been activated early in the new year. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
On being told this Matthew went back through his email account | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
and found an email had been sent by mobiles.co.uk on 4th December, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
a week after they'd ordered the phone, confirming dispatch. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Unfortunately as he had not seen it at the time, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
Matthew was unable to stop delivery to the wrong address. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
So the phone had been delivered, but not to the family, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
and what they hadn't realised | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
was that the 24-month contract had started. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
We paid two months of the contract, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
amounting to just over £53, I think, from memory, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
in the hope that shortly after that we would then get a phone, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
Matthew could then pick it up | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
and run with the remaining 22 months of his two year contract. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Sadly that didn't happen. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
O2 blocked the phone so it could not be used, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
but despite numerous complaints | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
the family were still being told that as the phone had been activated | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
they were liable for the 24-month contract. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
O2 did make an offer some months later, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
after I'd refused to pay any more money against the contact. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:43 | |
They offered us a refurbished phone without any accessories. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
I didn't think that that was fair and said so. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
After rejecting the offer of a refurbished phone, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
O2 told Matthew he could buy himself out of the contract for almost £600, | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
again, something the family turned down. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
And both Carphone Warehouse on behalf of mobiles.co.uk and O2 | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
issued a deadlock letter. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
I was rather hoping they'd put their hands up | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
and either agree to cancel the contract or offer a new phone. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
But they didn't and Matthew can only dream of the phone he never got. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
And he's not the only O2 customer | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
who was billed for something they never received. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Meet Helen Barron. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
After receiving a courtesy call from O2 about an upgrade | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
she decided to order a new phone for her daughter Keira. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
That contract was going to be £18.50 per month. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
At that stage my daughter was coming up to her 18th birthday. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
We thought it would be a nice surprise for her. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
After she agreed to the contract | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
O2 arranged to send out the phone and SIM card, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
telling her there was a 10-day cancellation period. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
The SIM card arrived a few days later. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Not with the phone, though. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
After waiting a few more days, in which time the phone still | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
had not arrived, Helen decided to return the SIM. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Money was quite tight really so we decided, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
within that 10-day window, to actually send the SIM back. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
When the O2 SIM arrived, on the back was a return to sender address | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
and the letter inside was welcoming us, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
so all I did on the bottom of that was just write, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
"Sorry, have to cancel." | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Put it back in its original envelope and posted it back. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
The phone never actually got here, so I automatically assumed | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
O2 had received the SIM, and therefore cancelled the contract. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
Hearing nothing more, Helen thought that was the end of it. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Due to ill health over the next few years | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
she didn't check her bank accounts regularly | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
so it wasn't until she spoke to O2 28 months later | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
that she got a shock. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
There were four contracts going through my banking account. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Myself, my new partner, my son, Edward, and a Mr Williams. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
Never heard of Mr Williams, never been a Mr Williams lived here. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
Helen immediately disputed the extra account | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
in the name of Mr Williams | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
and was told it had been active since 2011, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
the same time she'd ordered the new phone. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
And since then Helen's paid £531 for a phone she's never had. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:21 | |
She asked to be refunded | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
but O2 refused as the phone had been used. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
So that's two families being charged for contracts | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
for phones which they've never had, let alone used. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Time I started looking into these cases a bit further. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
O2 has been trading for 25 years | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
and is a market leader with over 23 million customers across the UK. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
I've sent them an email about two of those customers. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
We'll hear shortly what they have got to say. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
From cars to houses, mobile phones to washing machines, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
a lot of what we buy today is done so on credit, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
and that credit leaves a financial footprint. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Did you know your footprint can affect | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
whether a company does business with you or not? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Not only that but details | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
of everything you've ever bought on credit | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
is held by companies such as Experian, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
and that holds the key to your borrowing power. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
We hold information about consumers, mostly from lenders, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
about the credit that we've used over the last six years, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
and lenders use that to make informed decisions | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
when we apply for new credit card, loan or a mortgage. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
And what sort of information does that include? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
When you apply for credit, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
a lender will typically look at three sources of information | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
to help it decide whether to lend to you. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
This will include the information on your application form | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
about your job and salary, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
information they might have about you already | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
if you're an existing customer, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
and the information we hold that we call your credit rating. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Lenders will typically use an automated process | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
called credit scoring, to calculate your credit rating. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
And it's this credit score that could have an impact | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
on your application for a loan or mortgage. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
A credit score is a simple indication of how likely it is | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
that you'll repay any credit you're applying for | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
based on the data that the lender has available. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
So the credit score is totted up, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
and from it you get a consumer's overall credit rating. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
I've had a few emails from people | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
concerned about their credit rating. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Karen contacted me after changing her bank account over | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
using a switching service | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
which promised to change over all her direct debits. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Sounds great, doesn't it? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
But three months later | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
it seems one of her direct debits wasn't switched over | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
and now not only has she got a big debt, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
her credit rating has gone downhill. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
If you find adverse information on your credit report | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
that's factually correct but not your fault, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
one of the things you can do | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
is add what we call a notice of correction to the information, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
so that's an explanatory note of up to 200 words | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
that goes onto your credit report | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
and any lender looking at that information in the future | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
will see that additional information. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
OK. So what can people do | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
if they find themselves in a situation like Karen's? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
It's so important to check your credit report on a regular basis | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and let us know if there's anything on there that you're unhappy about. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
The information we hold on people's credit reports | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
should be accurate and up to date by law. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
So if you find something on there that a lender has recorded | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
that you disagree with you can either go to them direct | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
and ask them to correct it or you can come to us | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
at the credit record agency and we can take the matter up for you. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
I've also been contacted by Kyle. He's a serving soldier | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
but when he moved back to the UK recently | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
he couldn't get a contract on a mobile phone. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
So he checked his credit rating and found it was very poor. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The odd thing is Kyle has never borrowed money | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
so he has no debts. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
He's really worried he'll struggle to build a future. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
To get a good credit rating you actually need some evidence, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
some past evidence that you can pay things on time, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
so actually when you start out, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
you typically won't start with a very high credit rating at all. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
There will be very little evidence to go on. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Having lived abroad | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
and not bought anything on credit in the past, Kyle has been | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
unable to build up a good credit score. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
So what's the answer? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
There's a common misconception that to build a good credit rating | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
you need to have gotten into debt. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
That is actually not the case. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Lenders are simply looking for evidence that you've responsibly | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
managed credit in the past, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
so it's not about racking up lots of debt. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
The trick really is working out how to establish a credit record | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
and start building a credit rating that's going to unlock | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
lots of products and services for you. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
There are ways we can help improve our credit score. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Firstly make sure you're registered on the electoral role. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Secondly, use some credit but use it responsibly. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
And thirdly, make sure you space out any new applications for credit. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
So, just like your health, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
it's worth keeping your credit rating in check too. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
The Andrews family | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
and Helen Barron both ordered phones on an O2 contract. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
But neither of the phones have been delivered to their addresses. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
Before getting in contact with me, both of them had reached deadlock. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Matthew was told he could cancel his contract if he paid almost £600. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
While Helen, who'd already paid out unknowingly £531, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
was being offered just a 50% refund. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
20-year-old Matthew is being chased for money. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Despite his phone never being delivered, it was activated, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
kick-starting the two year, £29 a month contract. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
He's getting debt collection letters | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
and has discovered his credit rating has been affected. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Having a black mark on my credit score at such a young age, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
it doesn't really look good. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
I mean, I'm trying to save up so I can move out. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
After sending the e-mails, I've heard back from a press officer, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
John, who has told me he's looking into the cases. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
And I think it's time we caught up. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Hello, John. Good afternoon to you. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
It's Dominic Littlewood calling from the BBC. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
I bring John up to speed with what happened | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
when Matthew's mum Louise tried to order the phone. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
She never received the phone. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Cos the address didn't come up correctly, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
she logged off the website, didn't believe she'd actually ordered it, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
and didn't realise she had | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
until she got a bill in January 2013 for approximately £53. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
She disputed it, but she also paid it as well | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
because she didn't want credit ratings being affected. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
And then they were told they needed to pay £588 | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
to get out of the contract. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
It's now gone to debt collectors. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
That happened at the end of last year, so, literally last month. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
She queried the phone saying she'd never received it. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
At some point O2 offered her son a refurbished phone. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
I can't work out why you would have done that. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
Unless you'd agreed that the phone hadn't been delivered for whatever reason. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Anyway, maybe you can explain that once you get your head around the case. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
'Have you spoken to mobiles.co.uk?' | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
No. You're the first call I've made. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
We then move on to Helen's case. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
-Can I just ask a couple of questions? -Anything you like. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
On Helen's, you say that she did receive a phone, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:31 | |
but she sent it back? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
She agreed to a contract and it was £18.99 per month. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
Plus, she was going to get a 3G phone. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
It arrived a few days later, but the phone didn't. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Because she was within her ten day cool off period, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
she sent the SIM back to O2 thinking that it would cancel the contract. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
However, O2 continued to bill her for the contract for next 28 months | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
until she finally realised, which was December last year, and when | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
she called up to cancel, she found out that the SIM was in her name, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
and she didn't even realise until this point. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Smashing. Well, listen, it's been great talking to you. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Leave these both with me and I'll get to the bottom of them | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
and be in touch with you very soon. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
-Nice talking to you, John. -Cheers now. -Thank you, bye. -Bye. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
That call was so nice I felt like I want to go out for a beer with John. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
He said, "Great, get the information over to me. We'll have a look at it. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
"We'll get this sorted out." | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
Let's hope it continues to go like that. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
They quite often don't though. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
O2 is not the only company involved here. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Matthew's problems started because he and his mum could not enter | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
their delivery address correctly on the mobiles.co.uk site | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
they bought the phone from. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
So, who should Matthew's complaint be against? | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
The advantage of going through a third party might be that you | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
get a better deal on your phone. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
The difficulty is, if something goes wrong, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
trying to work out exactly whose problem it is. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Is it the third party? | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
Is it the phone provider? Who have you got a contract with? | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
And who sold you the phone? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
And that's exactly the issue Matthew has. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
Yet mobiles.co.uk and its parent company Carphone Warehouse | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
stated that as the phone had been delivered, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
there was nothing else they could do. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Ultimately if you are dealing with a third party | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
and you've taken out a phone contract through them, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
that third party has sold you the contract. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
They've sold you that package. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
If you've got a problem with that, then you need to speak to them. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Once you've got the phone and you're using it, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
then you need to be speaking to the phone company itself. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Now, where does that leave Matthew, though, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
because he never received the phone from the third party? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
But because it was delivered and activated by someone, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
the network started charging him. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
He's complained to both retailer and network. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
If you're having problems with the third party seller | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
and they're not helping you out, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
it might still be worth talking to the phone company | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
because they carry a lot of heft | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
and they might get that third party to sort it out for you. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
I've contacted Carphone Warehouse | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
to get its response about the third party seller mobiles.co.uk, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
but the network, O2, is the one chasing the money, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
and they have agreed to look into this for me. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
I want to know whether mobiles.co.uk should have done more. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
So I sent dad Colin to meet his local Trading Standards officer. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
-Hello, Colin. -Nice to see you. -Take a seat. -Thank you. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
And Colin explains their situation. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
The fact that you weren't able to review | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
and amend any issues with regards to the details you put on the website... | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Then that's covered within UK regulations. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
It's the E-Commerce Regulations 2002. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
The fact that this website didn't give you the opportunity to | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
review and amend any potential errors on there, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
that would be a de facto breach of the E-Commerce Regulations. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Right. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Because of that, you would have the right to rescind that contract | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
and that should put you back in the position as if | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
the contract hadn't been entered into in the first place. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
So, websites should ensure that you're given options for choosing | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
a delivery address and have to provide a confirmation page. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
I certainly didn't know any of what Richard told me | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
about this today and I've done over 200 online transactions. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
Well, we've put all that to mobiles.co.uk, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
but I've had an e-mail from Matthew, and he's still receiving | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
debt collection letters and that's something | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
I need to speak to O2 about. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
OK, I've sent all the information over to O2 about these two issues | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I'm trying to sort out. They've had time to look at them. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Let's give that really nice friendly chap a call. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
What was his name? John. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
-Press office. John speaking. -Hi, would that be John Madeley? | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
It would be, yes. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
-Hello, John, it's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC again. -Hi, Dom. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
-How are you? -I'm all right. Is it convenient time? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
It is, yes, carry on. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
Before I get a chance to say anything, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
John updates me on Helen Barron's case. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
The clarification I'm waiting on | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
is that, had Helen received the package... | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
Complete package, yeah. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Presumably, somebody must have signed for the phone and the SIM. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
Indeed and that is what I'm waiting for. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
John tells me he'll get back to me as soon as he has this information, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
and we move on to Matthew's case. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
We've already been doing some investigation on this | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
and the notes from that account highlighted that mobiles.co.uk | 0:21:27 | 0:21:35 | |
had confirmed the phone was delivered to the address | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
specified on the order. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
I explain that the address John has on his records is the wrong | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
address and that's the problem Louise found. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
When you put in her postcode, it's coming out at the wrong address. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
Now, onto the debt collectors. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
I'm assuming it's you guys that have probably passed this on to | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
debt collectors. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:56 | |
Can you call off the bailiffs, please, until we get it resolved? | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
I can certainly see what I can sort out. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Yeah, if you can call them off, I'd appreciate that. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
-Yes, no worries, I'll certainly put that request in. -Right. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
-All right, that's brilliant. -Let's have a chat next week, John. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
-Look forward to it. Have a good weekend. -You too. Thanks a lot. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-Cheers. -Bye-bye. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
This guy is really, really helpful | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
and he's raised a few points there which are quite interesting. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
It's not going to be a walk in the park for me. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Still, I like cases like that. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Another parent who wanted to ensure her child stayed connected | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
is Verna Richards. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
17-year-old daughter, Natasha, has learning difficulties | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
so Verna wanted her to have a phone so she could contact her | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
whenever she needed. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
I put her on pay as you go for a couple of months, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
but she usually finish her credit quite quickly, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
so I decided to put her on a contract. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
She wanted her daughter to have the freedom to speak to her friends, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
but the safety of not running out of credit in an emergency. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
I decided to get Natasha a T-Mobile phone because me and her sisters | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
were on T-Mobile and I had a history with them, so they were always good. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
Natasha's contract was for £26 a month which came out | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
of Verna's bank account, but on two occasions in 2011, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
Natasha's bill was over £100. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
The second time it happened, my eldest daughter was at home | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and she said, "Mummy, I'll pay the bill and call T-Mobile." | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
So my daughter called them, explained the situation to them, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
to put a cap on it and don't let her go over. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
They said, "OK." | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
Confident T-Mobile would stop the service if Natasha exceeded | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
her allowance, Verna hoped it would be the end of shock bills | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
and it was, until the summer of 2013. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Natasha's bill came. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
I was sitting on the sofa, opened the bill and I nearly fall over. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
It was nearly £2,000. I couldn't believe it. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
I took the phone up same time and dial T-Mobile, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
and asked them to explain why a £26 bill comes to nearly £2,000. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:11 | |
That's more than a month's wages for me. I could never pay that bill. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
Unfortunately, Natasha had gone way over her monthly contract, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
spending hours talking to her friend. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Verna told T-Mobile she had requested a cap on her phone | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
but they claim the bill still stands. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
So, I've sent them an e-mail asking for more information. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
A cap means a customer cannot spend more than their monthly contract | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
price unless they specifically authorise it with the company. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
It's something telecoms regulator Ofcom has been campaigning for | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
and I've come to meet with them today. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
As we're in a situation now where virtually everyone has | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
a mobile phone, from about five years upwards it seems, are you | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
finding you're getting quite a few complaints? Are they escalating? | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
The areas we've been looking at recently and where we've been | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
putting in quite a lot of work, is things like bill shocks, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
so, issues where, as technology gets more and more complicated, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
I think people don't necessarily understand what the phone can do. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
So, clearly with a smartphone, you have things like data usage now | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
and people can get caught out | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
because technology is getting ahead of people's understanding of phones. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Particularly with children having phones, it's difficult | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
to control what they're doing, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
so we've been doing quite a lot of work with the providers to look at | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
ways that they can improve, not just stopping people getting big | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
bills, but also educating consumers about the things they need to | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
look out for, because phones don't just make telephone calls any more. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
They do all sorts of other things. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
In fact, making telephone calls is probably the least you | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
use your mobile phones for nowadays, isn't it? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
What you're referring to there is probably capping. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Cap is a sort of fixed financial amount | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
and when you've got to that cap, you won't be able to use your phone | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
any more until you proactively contact the company and say, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
"I would like to spend more or I'd like to top up my account." | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
There are also usage alerts | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
so there are lots of tools out there now, where, particularly | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
if you're online, you can look at your spend and you can monitor | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
your own usage so that you can control it a bit better for yourself. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Which sounds perfect if you want to ensure you or your child | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
doesn't spend over a certain amount like Verna's daughter Natasha did. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
There must be some negatives as well as positives | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
as far as capping is concerned. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Well, the main downside of capping is that, at some point, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
when you reach that cap, you won't then be able to make calls. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
If that happens to you at a time when it's convenient for you to contact | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
your provider, you can have a simple conversation and have that extended. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
If, however, it happens to you in the middle of the night | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
and you're out and you wish to make some sort of call, you may be | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
a child wanting to call a parent, it may be more difficult to actually | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
be able to then make that call in the time frame that you want to make it. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
If somebody had a complaint with a mobile phone company, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
what would be the correct order to sort this out? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
First thing is to contact their mobile phone provider | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
and go through their complaints procedure. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
If they don't get anywhere with that, there are two things. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
One is they can complain to Ofcom, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
but the other thing is we do have | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
alternative dispute resolution schemes. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
So when you get to eight weeks with any complaint, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
or if you get a deadlock letter from your provider, you can | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
go to the ombudsmen where they'll look at your complaint for you. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
Well, it's good to know there are organisations out there to | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
help you, but I'm hoping we won't need to use them | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
because I've had an e-mail back from T-Mobile. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
They told me they do not offer a contract which caps | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
a customer's usage. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
However, Natasha was on a You Fix tariff which | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
restricts the service once you've used up your allocation of minutes. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
When Verna upgraded her daughter's phone two years ago, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
she switched to a 24-month contract with no restrictions. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
Therefore Verna is responsible for the £2,000 bill. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
However, as a gesture of goodwill, they've offered to halve it. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
A one-off credit of 1036.70 including VAT, will be applied | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
to your account. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
This is as way of reimbursing 50% of the additional call charges. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
However, I am happy to discuss a repayment plan | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
that will be suitable for you. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Verna doesn't seem too happy, but that's a generous offer | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
from T-Mobile. They told us: | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
If I were Verna, I'd take it. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Verna's case flags up the issue of responsibility. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
On one hand, the phone company are responsible for making sure | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
the service they provide is right for the customer, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
but on the other hand, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
the customer should be responsible for the calls they make. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
But where does that leave Matthew and Helen? | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
They've both been charged for contracts on phones which | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
have never been delivered to them. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
It's time I picked up speed on these cases and I've heard back from O2. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
In Helen's case, O2 tell us that they can't retrieve | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
delivery details, which, in a nutshell, means | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
they can't prove that the phone and SIM were sent together. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
But they do say that by sending a SIM card back without | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
requesting that a contract be cancelled | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
doesn't automatically close down an account. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Once I'd sent the SIM back within the ten day window, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
I assumed the phone wasn't coming, therefore it was all cancelled. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
And in Matthew's case, O2 tell us that when they found out | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
the phone hadn't been received, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
they blocked it, but then they advised Mr Andrews that the | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
contract to provide the airtime was still valid, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
which basically means they're saying the family still have to pay. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
We've never had the phone, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
so we're not going to pay for a phone that we've not had. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
Well, I've gone back to John at 02 and said, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
"Look, if you're not disputing that the phone was never | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
"received by the family and you'd blocked it, therefore stopping any | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
"debt running up, why are you still chasing the family for the money?" | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
Lets hope I hear back soon. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:06 | |
When you're jetting off abroad on your annual holidays, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
travel insurance is about as obvious as packing your trunks. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
When you're having a mini break UK holiday, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
it's something which might not be as obvious. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
But perhaps you should think about taking it out and here's why. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
I've been contacted by Claire Freeman, who organised | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
a special holiday to Center Parcs for June 2013. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
We booked this specific holiday to Center Parcs for my mum's | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
60th birthday, so the whole family were going to be going. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Mum, dad, me, my husband, my little boy Stanley, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
my sister, her husband and her two boys. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
We were all really excited. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
It was kind of like a one-off, I think. A one-off holiday. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
They chose Centre Parcs for this family get together | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
as they'd been there many times before. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Claire's husband, Mark, booked a three night break | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
in two lodges at a cost of £975. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
We made the booking quite a lot in advance. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
I think it was in the November before, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
so about eight months before we were due to go on holiday. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
Elveden Forest suited the family due to its convenient location. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
My dad's health isn't great and it is never going to improve, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
but where... Elveden isn't that far to travel. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
So we knew if he was poorly, he had his nebuliser. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
We weren't concerned, really. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
Claire's dad Jim was diagnosed with an abnormality of the lungs | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and chronic asthma. He needs a nebuliser to help him breathe. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
But he was looking forward to a break with the family. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Well, I went to Center Parcs once before and it's really good for me, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
because I can stay in the cabin and read, with my nebuliser. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
And I was looking forward to it because the boys play softball | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
and I just sit there and watch them with a cup of tea and it's lovely. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
When you book with Center Parcs, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
there is the option to tick a box to take out insurance, but the family | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
felt this would not be necessary. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
The reason why I didn't take out Center Parcs' insurance | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
is because, when you holiday in the UK, you don't have to worry | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
about the NHS issues. You know that you are covered. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
That's true, but Center Parcs' insurance would also cover for | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
any last-minute cancellations and the decision not to take it out | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
would come back to haunt the family, as the day before the holiday | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
was due to commence, the family received some bad news. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
We were all packed, all the cars were all packed with food, drink, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
ready to go, and, on the Thursday, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
the day before we were due to go on holiday there, I had a call at work | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
from my husband saying that my dad had been taken ill | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
to hospital by an ambulance. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
Understandably, the holiday plans were put on hold. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
I was absolutely terrified when I saw my dad on the ventilator. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
Obviously, he wasn't conscious. He was plugged into machinery | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
and he couldn't breathe for himself. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
With Claire very worried about her dad, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Husband Mark tried to reorganise the holiday for a later date. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
The initial conversation I had with Center Parcs, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
they were very compassionate, and the first person I spoke with | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
appeared optimistic, around our chances of delaying the break. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
But when Claire later spoke to Center Parcs, she was told, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
without insurance, they would be unable to get their money back | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
or postpone. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
She said there was nothing they could do, because we didn't | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
have insurance and it wouldn't be fair to those people | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
that have taken insurance out. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
Center Parcs' terms and conditions clearly state that any cancellations | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
or changes to dates must be amended ten weeks prior to the holiday. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
So, in situations such as that faced by Claire and her family, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
insurance is key. Having not taken out Center Parcs' insurance, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
was there anything else they could do? | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
Center Parcs advised us the best way to get compensation was to go | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
through our holiday insurance. We looked into this, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
but only my wife and myself were covered through our bank policy. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Plus, due to the excess charge, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
it wasn't financially viable to make a claim. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
I hoped that Center Parcs would make an exception to the rule | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
and postpone our holiday, because I've holidayed with Center Parcs, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
I believe, it's five occasions, in the past. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
So I was hoping we'd get rewarded for our loyalty, to be honest. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
Center Parcs' terms and conditions are clear, and cancelling the day | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
before arrival would not give the company a chance for a re-booking. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
It's the responsibility of the customer to ensure you're covered. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:50 | |
We were all devastated to have missed out on the holiday. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
The children, especially, because we had built it up for so long. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
And we'd booked so many activities and told them we were going to do | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
bowling and skating and swimming, so they were all devastated. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
Disappointing for the family, but on the up side, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
Jim's health improved sufficiently to go home and recover. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
We wrote to Center Parcs regarding Claire's case. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
They said... | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
I know Center Parcs are well within their rights not to offer us | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
another holiday. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
That's right, Claire. It's a hard lesson learned. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
The moral of this story is make sure you're always protected, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
so you're not hit by the unexpected. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
I've been dealing with two cases of families who are being billed | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
for phones which never arrived. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
I've heard back from O2 and it looks as though things | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
are falling into place on Helen's case, but there are still | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
a few areas I need to iron out, with regards to Matthew Andrews. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
John, it's Dominic Littlewood, but you obviously recognised my voice. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
-I did, indeed, yes. -Hi, John, sorry to give you a call this morning. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
I know you've had some correspondence with our office. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
I'd love to try and prod you very politely in the case of | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
Matthew and Louise Andrews, to try and see if we can sort this out. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
'I asked John to look into Matthew's credit rating.' | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
'I promise you I will get back to you by 10am tomorrow.' | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
John, I can't ask for fairer than that. I really appreciate it. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
Personally, I've had no problems with your service | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
and I just think it would be lovely to sort this out and put it to bed, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
-for everybody concerned. -Absolutely. -Lovely. Thanks, John. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
-Cheers, now. -Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
Sometimes, I really cringe about dealing with certain companies. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
I have to be honest, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:02 | |
so far, O2 have been really, really good. They have taken all my calls, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
they've been polite, they've sorted out one problem | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
and he has promised me he'll sort out the other one by 10am tomorrow, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
which is only about 20 hours away. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
As long as it's good news! | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
It's bound to be. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
While I wait to see what O2 can do for Matthew, I'm pleased to hear | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
that the company has come through for Helen. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Having already offered to refund her 50% of the amount she's already paid | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
out for a phone she never received, they've gone one step further. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
"As an additional gesture, we are able to refund the other half | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
"of the payments she has made to us, which totals £272.48." | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
Wow. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
That's brilliant. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:53 | |
That is absolutely... Thank you. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
In a statement, O2 said to us... | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I honestly didn't think I'd win... if winning's the word. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
That's fantastic, That's absolutely fantastic! | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Wow, thank you, Dom. Brilliant, mate. Absolutely bang on! | 0:38:28 | 0:38:35 | |
'Thanks very much. One down, one to go.' | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Well, after many, I have to say, quite pleasant phone calls to John | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
from O2, I have got some news for Matthew, Colin and Louise. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
So I have come way "oop north," to Grimsby, to deliver it in person. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
-Hello, Dom, nice to see you. -Nice to meet you. -You, too. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
Thanks for coming all this way from The Smoke. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
-Come in, we've got the kettle on, mate. -Lovely. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
Matthew, you are now 21, why did you not order this phone yourself? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
Every time I've bought a phone before, it's been with my mum, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
and I thought it would be better if I went through it with her. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
It's a legally binding contract and I didn't want to do something | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
that I'd get tied up in which wasn't right, so looked for support | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
-from my mum with it. -OK. That says a lot for you, doesn't it? -Yes. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-He trusts his mum! -He did! -We all trust our mums! | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
We need our mums! | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
'Time to get down to the nitty gritty.' | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
The first time you realised there was a problem was when the bill | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
-came through, which was in January? -Yes. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Quite rightly, you continued to make payments. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
You disputed them, but made the payments because you did not want | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
you getting a bad mark against your name. They do have an issue, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
in the fact that... There's no disputing the phone's gone. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
There is a dispute in that O2 are saying, "Hang on a second, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
"you owe us nearly £600." They still believe you owe them that. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
In fact, as far as I'm concerned, O2 owe us 53 quid, for the payments | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
we made on the contract we have since rescinded. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
We have had to go back to O2 and say, "Hang on a second." | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
We've hit them with all the facts, about the fact he didn't get | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
his confirmation letter, it went to the wrong address. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
You had not signed for it. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
They did not roll over, but they have come back and we have now | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
finally got a decision for you. What they are going to do, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
they are now going to wipe the slate 100% clean. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-That's great. Wonderful. -It's all finished. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
The problem's out the way. They do say that is an extreme | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
measure of goodwill. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
But there is still a grey area outstanding, isn't there? | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
At the moment, his credit rating has got a mark against it, hasn't it? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
O2 are going to remove the mark they have made against your name. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
So, your credit rating is going to go back to where it was before | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
this problem. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
-Excellent! -That's well good, eh? -Absolutely. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
-Are you going to have a little cry? -I might, after all this stress! | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Oh, come here and have a Dommy hug! | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
Thank you so much. It's fantastic. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
After contacting O2, they had this to say... | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
We also asked mobiles.co.uk to respond. They said... | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
With regard to any breach of E-Commerce Regulations, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
they state their processes are... | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I think there is a message to be learned there | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
when you saw the relief on Louise's face. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Companies need to realise that when you've got a decent customer | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
and they've got a problem you need to sort them out very quickly. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
She's had untold stress as a result of this and she didn't need it. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
Absolutely elated. I can't believe it. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
It's wonderful news. It has been such a long, long year | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
and three months of worry, panic, feeling as if we're getting nowhere. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
I can't wait to get on with my life. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
It's been so long since it started. For it to all come to an end now, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
it's just such a great weight off my back. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 |