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'I'm Dominic Littlewood and I'm here to champion your consumer rights.

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'In fact, taking companies to task has become my goal in life.'

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Do you think she deserves her money back?

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I said yeah.

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'Any problem, no matter how big or small,

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'I'll help you get the service you deserve.'

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I just still cannot believe that they would come out

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to a 19-year-old lad,

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they were just going to drive away and leave him.

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'Whether it involves getting your money back...'

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I'm looking for about £20K to sort this out once and for all.

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'..or taking on your contract conundrums.'

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They said it was commercially acceptable,

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well, it's not acceptable to me.

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'Whatever the issue, I'm here to help.'

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On today's programme:

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What happens when you start

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getting billed for a mobile phone that you've never had?

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I then phoned O2 and said, "Look, we've never had the phone

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"so we are not going to pay for a phone we've not had."

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Credit rating. Do you really know what that means?

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Well, we go behind the scenes to find out the best way

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to manage your score.

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A credit score is a simple indication of how likely it is

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that you'll repay any credit you're applying for.

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Holidays in England, we're encouraged to take them,

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but if you haven't taken out insurance, where do you stand?

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I hoped that Centre Parcs would make an exception to the rule

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and postpone our holiday.

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I'm tackling your consumer issues to make sure you don't get done.

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Mobiles phones - it seems we can't live without them these days.

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They're an integral part of our lifestyles.

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Whether we're using them to text, phone calls,

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surfing the internet, even watching TV.

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With 94% of British adults owning a mobile phone

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it's big business for the numerous companies out there

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offering a variety of makes, models and contracts

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so that you can choose the right deal for you.

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But I've heard from some of you

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whose mobile phone purchase has rung up nothing but a huge debt!

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Take the Andrews family in 2012.

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20-year-old son Matthew wanted an upgrade

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and he turned to mum Louise to help find him a phone.

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Normally we'd go in store to get my phone, but it looked cheaper

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to do it online, so we went online to do it that way.

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Matthew was looking for an iPhone 4S

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with a two-year contract at a sub £30 a month commitment.

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The family came across a deal from online site mobiles.co.uk,

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a subsidiary of Carphone Warehouse.

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I was getting the handset for free.

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I think it was 2gb of data, unlimited texts and 7,500 minutes.

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And I think that was for £29 per month, I think.

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The 24-month contract was being provided by O2

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and with such a good deal on the table

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Matthew and his mum decided to go ahead with ordering the phone.

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Everything was quite clear, wasn't it?

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And it was quite easy to use from a browsing point of view,

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looking at what we were wanting to buy.

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But what happened next made the family wish they'd

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gone down the old fashioned route and bought in store.

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With any order that you do online you've got

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the option of having it delivered to a works address.

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I was quite happy for that to happen because I've had

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so many parcels delivered to work when I've ordered things online.

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But actually entering the address proved to be the downfall

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when the website did not recognise her work address

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and defaulted to another nearby one.

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It wouldn't allow me to change it at all.

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We removed the option to have it delivered to work.

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Because it seemed to be too complicated,

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nothing like I'd ever come across before

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when I'd ordered anything online.

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So she changed her options to have it delivered the next day

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but this time to her home address.

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But that's when the confusion arose.

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I said to Matthew, "I haven't got a confirmation page,

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"that's really weird,

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"I don't know that that's actually been processed properly."

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Having changed the delivery address to their home,

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but not receiving a webpage confirming the order

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they were unsure if it had gone through,

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so Matthew checked his emails.

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Normally you get a confirmation email from any company, saying,

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"This is your order, this is what you've paid,

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"this is when it will be delivered," sort of thing,

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just like an online receipt. We didn't get one of them

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and then I continued to check all through the day

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to see if anything was going to come through about when it was scheduled

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to be delivered or anything like that. That didn't come.

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And it wasn't only an email confirmation the family didn't get,

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the new phone didn't arrive the next day as promised.

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Or the following days after that.

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I really did just assume

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that the order just hadn't been properly completed.

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But a month later an email did arrive

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from O2, with a bill for £53 for his new contract on the iPhone 4.

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When I received the bill, it was a bit of a mystery really.

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I didn't know why I was being billed for a phone

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that I hadn't received yet.

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And at this point Matthew's dad Colin got involved.

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I then spoke to O2 who were very helpful.

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They tried to point out what had happened,

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I established that the phone had been delivered.

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It had then been activated early in the new year.

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On being told this Matthew went back through his email account

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and found an email had been sent by mobiles.co.uk on 4th December,

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a week after they'd ordered the phone, confirming dispatch.

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Unfortunately as he had not seen it at the time,

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Matthew was unable to stop delivery to the wrong address.

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So the phone had been delivered, but not to the family,

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and what they hadn't realised

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was that the 24-month contract had started.

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We paid two months of the contract,

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amounting to just over £53, I think, from memory,

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in the hope that shortly after that we would then get a phone,

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Matthew could then pick it up

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and run with the remaining 22 months of his two year contract.

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Sadly that didn't happen.

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O2 blocked the phone so it could not be used,

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but despite numerous complaints

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the family were still being told that as the phone had been activated

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they were liable for the 24-month contract.

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O2 did make an offer some months later,

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after I'd refused to pay any more money against the contact.

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They offered us a refurbished phone without any accessories.

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I didn't think that that was fair and said so.

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After rejecting the offer of a refurbished phone,

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O2 told Matthew he could buy himself out of the contract for almost £600,

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again, something the family turned down.

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And both Carphone Warehouse on behalf of mobiles.co.uk and O2

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issued a deadlock letter.

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I was rather hoping they'd put their hands up

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and either agree to cancel the contract or offer a new phone.

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But they didn't and Matthew can only dream of the phone he never got.

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And he's not the only O2 customer

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who was billed for something they never received.

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Meet Helen Barron.

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After receiving a courtesy call from O2 about an upgrade

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she decided to order a new phone for her daughter Keira.

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That contract was going to be £18.50 per month.

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At that stage my daughter was coming up to her 18th birthday.

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We thought it would be a nice surprise for her.

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After she agreed to the contract

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O2 arranged to send out the phone and SIM card,

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telling her there was a 10-day cancellation period.

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The SIM card arrived a few days later.

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Not with the phone, though.

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After waiting a few more days, in which time the phone still

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had not arrived, Helen decided to return the SIM.

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Money was quite tight really so we decided,

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within that 10-day window, to actually send the SIM back.

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When the O2 SIM arrived, on the back was a return to sender address

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and the letter inside was welcoming us,

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so all I did on the bottom of that was just write,

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"Sorry, have to cancel."

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Put it back in its original envelope and posted it back.

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The phone never actually got here, so I automatically assumed

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O2 had received the SIM, and therefore cancelled the contract.

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Hearing nothing more, Helen thought that was the end of it.

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Due to ill health over the next few years

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she didn't check her bank accounts regularly

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so it wasn't until she spoke to O2 28 months later

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that she got a shock.

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There were four contracts going through my banking account.

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Myself, my new partner, my son, Edward, and a Mr Williams.

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Never heard of Mr Williams, never been a Mr Williams lived here.

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Helen immediately disputed the extra account

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in the name of Mr Williams

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and was told it had been active since 2011,

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the same time she'd ordered the new phone.

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And since then Helen's paid £531 for a phone she's never had.

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She asked to be refunded

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but O2 refused as the phone had been used.

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So that's two families being charged for contracts

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for phones which they've never had, let alone used.

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Time I started looking into these cases a bit further.

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O2 has been trading for 25 years

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and is a market leader with over 23 million customers across the UK.

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I've sent them an email about two of those customers.

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We'll hear shortly what they have got to say.

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From cars to houses, mobile phones to washing machines,

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a lot of what we buy today is done so on credit,

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and that credit leaves a financial footprint.

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Did you know your footprint can affect

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whether a company does business with you or not?

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Not only that but details

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of everything you've ever bought on credit

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is held by companies such as Experian,

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and that holds the key to your borrowing power.

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We hold information about consumers, mostly from lenders,

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about the credit that we've used over the last six years,

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and lenders use that to make informed decisions

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when we apply for new credit card, loan or a mortgage.

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And what sort of information does that include?

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When you apply for credit,

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a lender will typically look at three sources of information

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to help it decide whether to lend to you.

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This will include the information on your application form

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about your job and salary,

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information they might have about you already

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if you're an existing customer,

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and the information we hold that we call your credit rating.

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Lenders will typically use an automated process

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called credit scoring, to calculate your credit rating.

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And it's this credit score that could have an impact

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on your application for a loan or mortgage.

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A credit score is a simple indication of how likely it is

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that you'll repay any credit you're applying for

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based on the data that the lender has available.

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So the credit score is totted up,

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and from it you get a consumer's overall credit rating.

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I've had a few emails from people

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concerned about their credit rating.

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Karen contacted me after changing her bank account over

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using a switching service

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which promised to change over all her direct debits.

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Sounds great, doesn't it?

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But three months later

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it seems one of her direct debits wasn't switched over

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and now not only has she got a big debt,

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her credit rating has gone downhill.

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If you find adverse information on your credit report

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that's factually correct but not your fault,

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one of the things you can do

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is add what we call a notice of correction to the information,

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so that's an explanatory note of up to 200 words

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that goes onto your credit report

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and any lender looking at that information in the future

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will see that additional information.

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OK. So what can people do

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if they find themselves in a situation like Karen's?

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It's so important to check your credit report on a regular basis

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and let us know if there's anything on there that you're unhappy about.

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The information we hold on people's credit reports

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should be accurate and up to date by law.

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So if you find something on there that a lender has recorded

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that you disagree with you can either go to them direct

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and ask them to correct it or you can come to us

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at the credit record agency and we can take the matter up for you.

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I've also been contacted by Kyle. He's a serving soldier

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but when he moved back to the UK recently

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he couldn't get a contract on a mobile phone.

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So he checked his credit rating and found it was very poor.

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The odd thing is Kyle has never borrowed money

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so he has no debts.

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He's really worried he'll struggle to build a future.

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To get a good credit rating you actually need some evidence,

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some past evidence that you can pay things on time,

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so actually when you start out,

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you typically won't start with a very high credit rating at all.

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There will be very little evidence to go on.

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Having lived abroad

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and not bought anything on credit in the past, Kyle has been

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unable to build up a good credit score.

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So what's the answer?

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There's a common misconception that to build a good credit rating

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you need to have gotten into debt.

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That is actually not the case.

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Lenders are simply looking for evidence that you've responsibly

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managed credit in the past,

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so it's not about racking up lots of debt.

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The trick really is working out how to establish a credit record

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and start building a credit rating that's going to unlock

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lots of products and services for you.

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There are ways we can help improve our credit score.

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Firstly make sure you're registered on the electoral role.

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Secondly, use some credit but use it responsibly.

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And thirdly, make sure you space out any new applications for credit.

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So, just like your health,

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it's worth keeping your credit rating in check too.

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The Andrews family

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and Helen Barron both ordered phones on an O2 contract.

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But neither of the phones have been delivered to their addresses.

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Before getting in contact with me, both of them had reached deadlock.

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Matthew was told he could cancel his contract if he paid almost £600.

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While Helen, who'd already paid out unknowingly £531,

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was being offered just a 50% refund.

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20-year-old Matthew is being chased for money.

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Despite his phone never being delivered, it was activated,

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kick-starting the two year, £29 a month contract.

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He's getting debt collection letters

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and has discovered his credit rating has been affected.

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Having a black mark on my credit score at such a young age,

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it doesn't really look good.

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I mean, I'm trying to save up so I can move out.

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After sending the e-mails, I've heard back from a press officer,

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John, who has told me he's looking into the cases.

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And I think it's time we caught up.

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Hello, John. Good afternoon to you.

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It's Dominic Littlewood calling from the BBC.

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I bring John up to speed with what happened

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when Matthew's mum Louise tried to order the phone.

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She never received the phone.

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Cos the address didn't come up correctly,

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she logged off the website, didn't believe she'd actually ordered it,

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and didn't realise she had

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until she got a bill in January 2013 for approximately £53.

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She disputed it, but she also paid it as well

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because she didn't want credit ratings being affected.

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And then they were told they needed to pay £588

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to get out of the contract.

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It's now gone to debt collectors.

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That happened at the end of last year, so, literally last month.

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She queried the phone saying she'd never received it.

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At some point O2 offered her son a refurbished phone.

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I can't work out why you would have done that.

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Unless you'd agreed that the phone hadn't been delivered for whatever reason.

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Anyway, maybe you can explain that once you get your head around the case.

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'Have you spoken to mobiles.co.uk?'

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No. You're the first call I've made.

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We then move on to Helen's case.

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-Can I just ask a couple of questions?

-Anything you like.

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On Helen's, you say that she did receive a phone,

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but she sent it back?

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She agreed to a contract and it was £18.99 per month.

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Plus, she was going to get a 3G phone.

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It arrived a few days later, but the phone didn't.

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Because she was within her ten day cool off period,

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she sent the SIM back to O2 thinking that it would cancel the contract.

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However, O2 continued to bill her for the contract for next 28 months

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until she finally realised, which was December last year, and when

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she called up to cancel, she found out that the SIM was in her name,

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and she didn't even realise until this point.

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Smashing. Well, listen, it's been great talking to you.

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Leave these both with me and I'll get to the bottom of them

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and be in touch with you very soon.

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-Nice talking to you, John.

-Cheers now.

-Thank you, bye.

-Bye.

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That call was so nice I felt like I want to go out for a beer with John.

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He said, "Great, get the information over to me. We'll have a look at it.

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"We'll get this sorted out."

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Let's hope it continues to go like that.

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They quite often don't though.

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O2 is not the only company involved here.

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Matthew's problems started because he and his mum could not enter

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their delivery address correctly on the mobiles.co.uk site

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they bought the phone from.

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So, who should Matthew's complaint be against?

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The advantage of going through a third party might be that you

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get a better deal on your phone.

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The difficulty is, if something goes wrong,

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trying to work out exactly whose problem it is.

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Is it the third party?

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Is it the phone provider? Who have you got a contract with?

0:17:580:18:01

And who sold you the phone?

0:18:010:18:03

And that's exactly the issue Matthew has.

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Yet mobiles.co.uk and its parent company Carphone Warehouse

0:18:050:18:09

stated that as the phone had been delivered,

0:18:090:18:11

there was nothing else they could do.

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Ultimately if you are dealing with a third party

0:18:130:18:16

and you've taken out a phone contract through them,

0:18:160:18:19

that third party has sold you the contract.

0:18:190:18:22

They've sold you that package.

0:18:220:18:25

If you've got a problem with that, then you need to speak to them.

0:18:250:18:28

Once you've got the phone and you're using it,

0:18:280:18:31

then you need to be speaking to the phone company itself.

0:18:310:18:34

Now, where does that leave Matthew, though,

0:18:340:18:36

because he never received the phone from the third party?

0:18:360:18:39

But because it was delivered and activated by someone,

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the network started charging him.

0:18:420:18:44

He's complained to both retailer and network.

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If you're having problems with the third party seller

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and they're not helping you out,

0:18:510:18:52

it might still be worth talking to the phone company

0:18:520:18:55

because they carry a lot of heft

0:18:550:18:57

and they might get that third party to sort it out for you.

0:18:570:19:00

I've contacted Carphone Warehouse

0:19:000:19:02

to get its response about the third party seller mobiles.co.uk,

0:19:020:19:05

but the network, O2, is the one chasing the money,

0:19:050:19:09

and they have agreed to look into this for me.

0:19:090:19:12

I want to know whether mobiles.co.uk should have done more.

0:19:120:19:16

So I sent dad Colin to meet his local Trading Standards officer.

0:19:160:19:20

-Hello, Colin.

-Nice to see you.

-Take a seat.

-Thank you.

0:19:200:19:24

And Colin explains their situation.

0:19:240:19:28

The fact that you weren't able to review

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and amend any issues with regards to the details you put on the website...

0:19:320:19:35

Then that's covered within UK regulations.

0:19:350:19:40

It's the E-Commerce Regulations 2002.

0:19:400:19:43

The fact that this website didn't give you the opportunity to

0:19:430:19:47

review and amend any potential errors on there,

0:19:470:19:50

that would be a de facto breach of the E-Commerce Regulations.

0:19:500:19:53

Right.

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Because of that, you would have the right to rescind that contract

0:19:550:19:58

and that should put you back in the position as if

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the contract hadn't been entered into in the first place.

0:20:010:20:05

So, websites should ensure that you're given options for choosing

0:20:050:20:08

a delivery address and have to provide a confirmation page.

0:20:080:20:12

I certainly didn't know any of what Richard told me

0:20:120:20:14

about this today and I've done over 200 online transactions.

0:20:140:20:19

Well, we've put all that to mobiles.co.uk,

0:20:200:20:23

but I've had an e-mail from Matthew, and he's still receiving

0:20:230:20:26

debt collection letters and that's something

0:20:260:20:28

I need to speak to O2 about.

0:20:280:20:29

OK, I've sent all the information over to O2 about these two issues

0:20:310:20:35

I'm trying to sort out. They've had time to look at them.

0:20:350:20:38

Let's give that really nice friendly chap a call.

0:20:380:20:41

What was his name? John.

0:20:410:20:42

-Press office. John speaking.

-Hi, would that be John Madeley?

0:20:440:20:47

It would be, yes.

0:20:470:20:49

-Hello, John, it's Dominic Littlewood from the BBC again.

-Hi, Dom.

0:20:490:20:52

-How are you?

-I'm all right. Is it convenient time?

0:20:520:20:56

It is, yes, carry on.

0:20:560:20:57

Before I get a chance to say anything,

0:20:570:20:59

John updates me on Helen Barron's case.

0:20:590:21:01

The clarification I'm waiting on

0:21:010:21:04

is that, had Helen received the package...

0:21:040:21:10

Complete package, yeah.

0:21:100:21:12

Presumably, somebody must have signed for the phone and the SIM.

0:21:120:21:18

Indeed and that is what I'm waiting for.

0:21:180:21:20

John tells me he'll get back to me as soon as he has this information,

0:21:200:21:23

and we move on to Matthew's case.

0:21:230:21:25

We've already been doing some investigation on this

0:21:250:21:27

and the notes from that account highlighted that mobiles.co.uk

0:21:270:21:35

had confirmed the phone was delivered to the address

0:21:350:21:39

specified on the order.

0:21:390:21:42

I explain that the address John has on his records is the wrong

0:21:420:21:45

address and that's the problem Louise found.

0:21:450:21:47

When you put in her postcode, it's coming out at the wrong address.

0:21:470:21:50

Now, onto the debt collectors.

0:21:500:21:52

I'm assuming it's you guys that have probably passed this on to

0:21:520:21:55

debt collectors.

0:21:550:21:56

Can you call off the bailiffs, please, until we get it resolved?

0:21:560:22:00

I can certainly see what I can sort out.

0:22:000:22:02

Yeah, if you can call them off, I'd appreciate that.

0:22:020:22:05

-Yes, no worries, I'll certainly put that request in.

-Right.

0:22:050:22:08

-All right, that's brilliant.

-Let's have a chat next week, John.

0:22:080:22:11

-Look forward to it. Have a good weekend.

-You too. Thanks a lot.

0:22:110:22:13

-Cheers.

-Bye-bye.

0:22:130:22:15

This guy is really, really helpful

0:22:150:22:17

and he's raised a few points there which are quite interesting.

0:22:170:22:21

It's not going to be a walk in the park for me.

0:22:210:22:23

Still, I like cases like that.

0:22:240:22:26

Another parent who wanted to ensure her child stayed connected

0:22:280:22:31

is Verna Richards.

0:22:310:22:33

17-year-old daughter, Natasha, has learning difficulties

0:22:340:22:37

so Verna wanted her to have a phone so she could contact her

0:22:370:22:40

whenever she needed.

0:22:400:22:42

I put her on pay as you go for a couple of months,

0:22:420:22:46

but she usually finish her credit quite quickly,

0:22:460:22:50

so I decided to put her on a contract.

0:22:500:22:53

She wanted her daughter to have the freedom to speak to her friends,

0:22:530:22:56

but the safety of not running out of credit in an emergency.

0:22:560:22:59

I decided to get Natasha a T-Mobile phone because me and her sisters

0:23:010:23:05

were on T-Mobile and I had a history with them, so they were always good.

0:23:050:23:11

Natasha's contract was for £26 a month which came out

0:23:110:23:15

of Verna's bank account, but on two occasions in 2011,

0:23:150:23:19

Natasha's bill was over £100.

0:23:190:23:22

The second time it happened, my eldest daughter was at home

0:23:220:23:26

and she said, "Mummy, I'll pay the bill and call T-Mobile."

0:23:260:23:29

So my daughter called them, explained the situation to them,

0:23:290:23:33

to put a cap on it and don't let her go over.

0:23:330:23:36

They said, "OK."

0:23:360:23:37

Confident T-Mobile would stop the service if Natasha exceeded

0:23:370:23:41

her allowance, Verna hoped it would be the end of shock bills

0:23:410:23:44

and it was, until the summer of 2013.

0:23:440:23:47

Natasha's bill came.

0:23:470:23:49

I was sitting on the sofa, opened the bill and I nearly fall over.

0:23:490:23:53

It was nearly £2,000. I couldn't believe it.

0:23:550:23:59

I took the phone up same time and dial T-Mobile,

0:24:000:24:04

and asked them to explain why a £26 bill comes to nearly £2,000.

0:24:040:24:11

That's more than a month's wages for me. I could never pay that bill.

0:24:110:24:16

Unfortunately, Natasha had gone way over her monthly contract,

0:24:160:24:19

spending hours talking to her friend.

0:24:190:24:22

Verna told T-Mobile she had requested a cap on her phone

0:24:220:24:25

but they claim the bill still stands.

0:24:250:24:28

So, I've sent them an e-mail asking for more information.

0:24:280:24:31

A cap means a customer cannot spend more than their monthly contract

0:24:310:24:35

price unless they specifically authorise it with the company.

0:24:350:24:39

It's something telecoms regulator Ofcom has been campaigning for

0:24:390:24:42

and I've come to meet with them today.

0:24:420:24:44

As we're in a situation now where virtually everyone has

0:24:480:24:51

a mobile phone, from about five years upwards it seems, are you

0:24:510:24:56

finding you're getting quite a few complaints? Are they escalating?

0:24:560:24:59

The areas we've been looking at recently and where we've been

0:24:590:25:02

putting in quite a lot of work, is things like bill shocks,

0:25:020:25:05

so, issues where, as technology gets more and more complicated,

0:25:050:25:09

I think people don't necessarily understand what the phone can do.

0:25:090:25:12

So, clearly with a smartphone, you have things like data usage now

0:25:120:25:15

and people can get caught out

0:25:150:25:17

because technology is getting ahead of people's understanding of phones.

0:25:170:25:21

Particularly with children having phones, it's difficult

0:25:210:25:25

to control what they're doing,

0:25:250:25:26

so we've been doing quite a lot of work with the providers to look at

0:25:260:25:29

ways that they can improve, not just stopping people getting big

0:25:290:25:34

bills, but also educating consumers about the things they need to

0:25:340:25:37

look out for, because phones don't just make telephone calls any more.

0:25:370:25:40

They do all sorts of other things.

0:25:400:25:42

In fact, making telephone calls is probably the least you

0:25:420:25:44

use your mobile phones for nowadays, isn't it?

0:25:440:25:47

What you're referring to there is probably capping.

0:25:470:25:49

Cap is a sort of fixed financial amount

0:25:490:25:52

and when you've got to that cap, you won't be able to use your phone

0:25:520:25:55

any more until you proactively contact the company and say,

0:25:550:25:59

"I would like to spend more or I'd like to top up my account."

0:25:590:26:02

There are also usage alerts

0:26:020:26:03

so there are lots of tools out there now, where, particularly

0:26:030:26:07

if you're online, you can look at your spend and you can monitor

0:26:070:26:11

your own usage so that you can control it a bit better for yourself.

0:26:110:26:14

Which sounds perfect if you want to ensure you or your child

0:26:150:26:19

doesn't spend over a certain amount like Verna's daughter Natasha did.

0:26:190:26:23

There must be some negatives as well as positives

0:26:230:26:25

as far as capping is concerned.

0:26:250:26:28

Well, the main downside of capping is that, at some point,

0:26:280:26:31

when you reach that cap, you won't then be able to make calls.

0:26:310:26:34

If that happens to you at a time when it's convenient for you to contact

0:26:340:26:38

your provider, you can have a simple conversation and have that extended.

0:26:380:26:42

If, however, it happens to you in the middle of the night

0:26:420:26:45

and you're out and you wish to make some sort of call, you may be

0:26:450:26:48

a child wanting to call a parent, it may be more difficult to actually

0:26:480:26:52

be able to then make that call in the time frame that you want to make it.

0:26:520:26:55

If somebody had a complaint with a mobile phone company,

0:26:550:26:58

what would be the correct order to sort this out?

0:26:580:27:03

First thing is to contact their mobile phone provider

0:27:030:27:06

and go through their complaints procedure.

0:27:060:27:08

If they don't get anywhere with that, there are two things.

0:27:080:27:11

One is they can complain to Ofcom,

0:27:110:27:13

but the other thing is we do have

0:27:130:27:14

alternative dispute resolution schemes.

0:27:140:27:17

So when you get to eight weeks with any complaint,

0:27:170:27:19

or if you get a deadlock letter from your provider, you can

0:27:190:27:22

go to the ombudsmen where they'll look at your complaint for you.

0:27:220:27:25

Well, it's good to know there are organisations out there to

0:27:250:27:28

help you, but I'm hoping we won't need to use them

0:27:280:27:31

because I've had an e-mail back from T-Mobile.

0:27:310:27:34

They told me they do not offer a contract which caps

0:27:340:27:38

a customer's usage.

0:27:380:27:39

However, Natasha was on a You Fix tariff which

0:27:390:27:42

restricts the service once you've used up your allocation of minutes.

0:27:420:27:46

When Verna upgraded her daughter's phone two years ago,

0:27:460:27:50

she switched to a 24-month contract with no restrictions.

0:27:500:27:54

Therefore Verna is responsible for the £2,000 bill.

0:27:540:27:58

However, as a gesture of goodwill, they've offered to halve it.

0:27:580:28:01

A one-off credit of 1036.70 including VAT, will be applied

0:28:050:28:11

to your account.

0:28:110:28:13

This is as way of reimbursing 50% of the additional call charges.

0:28:130:28:18

However, I am happy to discuss a repayment plan

0:28:180:28:21

that will be suitable for you.

0:28:210:28:23

Verna doesn't seem too happy, but that's a generous offer

0:28:240:28:28

from T-Mobile. They told us:

0:28:280:28:30

If I were Verna, I'd take it.

0:28:370:28:39

Verna's case flags up the issue of responsibility.

0:28:390:28:43

On one hand, the phone company are responsible for making sure

0:28:430:28:46

the service they provide is right for the customer,

0:28:460:28:49

but on the other hand,

0:28:490:28:51

the customer should be responsible for the calls they make.

0:28:510:28:55

But where does that leave Matthew and Helen?

0:28:550:28:57

They've both been charged for contracts on phones which

0:28:570:28:59

have never been delivered to them.

0:28:590:29:01

It's time I picked up speed on these cases and I've heard back from O2.

0:29:010:29:05

In Helen's case, O2 tell us that they can't retrieve

0:29:050:29:10

delivery details, which, in a nutshell, means

0:29:100:29:13

they can't prove that the phone and SIM were sent together.

0:29:130:29:16

But they do say that by sending a SIM card back without

0:29:160:29:19

requesting that a contract be cancelled

0:29:190:29:22

doesn't automatically close down an account.

0:29:220:29:25

Once I'd sent the SIM back within the ten day window,

0:29:250:29:29

I assumed the phone wasn't coming, therefore it was all cancelled.

0:29:290:29:32

And in Matthew's case, O2 tell us that when they found out

0:29:320:29:35

the phone hadn't been received,

0:29:350:29:37

they blocked it, but then they advised Mr Andrews that the

0:29:370:29:41

contract to provide the airtime was still valid,

0:29:410:29:44

which basically means they're saying the family still have to pay.

0:29:440:29:47

We've never had the phone,

0:29:470:29:48

so we're not going to pay for a phone that we've not had.

0:29:480:29:51

Well, I've gone back to John at 02 and said,

0:29:510:29:53

"Look, if you're not disputing that the phone was never

0:29:530:29:56

"received by the family and you'd blocked it, therefore stopping any

0:29:560:30:00

"debt running up, why are you still chasing the family for the money?"

0:30:000:30:05

Lets hope I hear back soon.

0:30:050:30:06

When you're jetting off abroad on your annual holidays,

0:30:110:30:14

travel insurance is about as obvious as packing your trunks.

0:30:140:30:18

When you're having a mini break UK holiday,

0:30:180:30:21

it's something which might not be as obvious.

0:30:210:30:24

But perhaps you should think about taking it out and here's why.

0:30:240:30:28

I've been contacted by Claire Freeman, who organised

0:30:280:30:30

a special holiday to Center Parcs for June 2013.

0:30:300:30:34

We booked this specific holiday to Center Parcs for my mum's

0:30:360:30:40

60th birthday, so the whole family were going to be going.

0:30:400:30:44

Mum, dad, me, my husband, my little boy Stanley,

0:30:440:30:47

my sister, her husband and her two boys.

0:30:470:30:50

We were all really excited.

0:30:500:30:52

It was kind of like a one-off, I think. A one-off holiday.

0:30:520:30:56

They chose Centre Parcs for this family get together

0:30:560:30:59

as they'd been there many times before.

0:30:590:31:01

Claire's husband, Mark, booked a three night break

0:31:020:31:05

in two lodges at a cost of £975.

0:31:050:31:09

We made the booking quite a lot in advance.

0:31:090:31:11

I think it was in the November before,

0:31:110:31:14

so about eight months before we were due to go on holiday.

0:31:140:31:17

Elveden Forest suited the family due to its convenient location.

0:31:190:31:22

My dad's health isn't great and it is never going to improve,

0:31:230:31:29

but where... Elveden isn't that far to travel.

0:31:290:31:31

So we knew if he was poorly, he had his nebuliser.

0:31:310:31:35

We weren't concerned, really.

0:31:350:31:36

Claire's dad Jim was diagnosed with an abnormality of the lungs

0:31:360:31:39

and chronic asthma. He needs a nebuliser to help him breathe.

0:31:390:31:44

But he was looking forward to a break with the family.

0:31:440:31:47

Well, I went to Center Parcs once before and it's really good for me,

0:31:470:31:52

because I can stay in the cabin and read, with my nebuliser.

0:31:520:31:57

And I was looking forward to it because the boys play softball

0:31:570:32:02

and I just sit there and watch them with a cup of tea and it's lovely.

0:32:020:32:05

When you book with Center Parcs,

0:32:070:32:09

there is the option to tick a box to take out insurance, but the family

0:32:090:32:13

felt this would not be necessary.

0:32:130:32:15

The reason why I didn't take out Center Parcs' insurance

0:32:150:32:19

is because, when you holiday in the UK, you don't have to worry

0:32:190:32:23

about the NHS issues. You know that you are covered.

0:32:230:32:26

That's true, but Center Parcs' insurance would also cover for

0:32:260:32:31

any last-minute cancellations and the decision not to take it out

0:32:310:32:35

would come back to haunt the family, as the day before the holiday

0:32:350:32:39

was due to commence, the family received some bad news.

0:32:390:32:42

We were all packed, all the cars were all packed with food, drink,

0:32:420:32:46

ready to go, and, on the Thursday,

0:32:460:32:50

the day before we were due to go on holiday there, I had a call at work

0:32:500:32:54

from my husband saying that my dad had been taken ill

0:32:540:32:59

to hospital by an ambulance.

0:32:590:33:01

Understandably, the holiday plans were put on hold.

0:33:010:33:04

I was absolutely terrified when I saw my dad on the ventilator.

0:33:060:33:11

Obviously, he wasn't conscious. He was plugged into machinery

0:33:110:33:15

and he couldn't breathe for himself.

0:33:150:33:17

With Claire very worried about her dad,

0:33:180:33:20

Husband Mark tried to reorganise the holiday for a later date.

0:33:200:33:24

The initial conversation I had with Center Parcs,

0:33:240:33:27

they were very compassionate, and the first person I spoke with

0:33:270:33:30

appeared optimistic, around our chances of delaying the break.

0:33:300:33:34

But when Claire later spoke to Center Parcs, she was told,

0:33:340:33:39

without insurance, they would be unable to get their money back

0:33:390:33:42

or postpone.

0:33:420:33:43

She said there was nothing they could do, because we didn't

0:33:430:33:46

have insurance and it wouldn't be fair to those people

0:33:460:33:48

that have taken insurance out.

0:33:480:33:50

Center Parcs' terms and conditions clearly state that any cancellations

0:33:500:33:55

or changes to dates must be amended ten weeks prior to the holiday.

0:33:550:33:59

So, in situations such as that faced by Claire and her family,

0:33:590:34:03

insurance is key. Having not taken out Center Parcs' insurance,

0:34:030:34:07

was there anything else they could do?

0:34:070:34:09

Center Parcs advised us the best way to get compensation was to go

0:34:090:34:12

through our holiday insurance. We looked into this,

0:34:120:34:14

but only my wife and myself were covered through our bank policy.

0:34:140:34:18

Plus, due to the excess charge,

0:34:180:34:20

it wasn't financially viable to make a claim.

0:34:200:34:23

I hoped that Center Parcs would make an exception to the rule

0:34:230:34:26

and postpone our holiday, because I've holidayed with Center Parcs,

0:34:260:34:31

I believe, it's five occasions, in the past.

0:34:310:34:33

So I was hoping we'd get rewarded for our loyalty, to be honest.

0:34:330:34:36

Center Parcs' terms and conditions are clear, and cancelling the day

0:34:360:34:41

before arrival would not give the company a chance for a re-booking.

0:34:410:34:44

It's the responsibility of the customer to ensure you're covered.

0:34:440:34:50

We were all devastated to have missed out on the holiday.

0:34:500:34:53

The children, especially, because we had built it up for so long.

0:34:530:34:57

And we'd booked so many activities and told them we were going to do

0:34:570:35:00

bowling and skating and swimming, so they were all devastated.

0:35:000:35:04

Disappointing for the family, but on the up side,

0:35:040:35:08

Jim's health improved sufficiently to go home and recover.

0:35:080:35:10

We wrote to Center Parcs regarding Claire's case.

0:35:100:35:13

They said...

0:35:130:35:15

I know Center Parcs are well within their rights not to offer us

0:35:370:35:40

another holiday.

0:35:400:35:41

That's right, Claire. It's a hard lesson learned.

0:35:410:35:45

The moral of this story is make sure you're always protected,

0:35:450:35:49

so you're not hit by the unexpected.

0:35:490:35:52

I've been dealing with two cases of families who are being billed

0:35:560:35:59

for phones which never arrived.

0:35:590:36:02

I've heard back from O2 and it looks as though things

0:36:020:36:05

are falling into place on Helen's case, but there are still

0:36:050:36:09

a few areas I need to iron out, with regards to Matthew Andrews.

0:36:090:36:13

John, it's Dominic Littlewood, but you obviously recognised my voice.

0:36:130:36:17

-I did, indeed, yes.

-Hi, John, sorry to give you a call this morning.

0:36:170:36:21

I know you've had some correspondence with our office.

0:36:210:36:25

I'd love to try and prod you very politely in the case of

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Matthew and Louise Andrews, to try and see if we can sort this out.

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'I asked John to look into Matthew's credit rating.'

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'I promise you I will get back to you by 10am tomorrow.'

0:36:380:36:41

John, I can't ask for fairer than that. I really appreciate it.

0:36:410:36:45

Personally, I've had no problems with your service

0:36:450:36:47

and I just think it would be lovely to sort this out and put it to bed,

0:36:470:36:50

-for everybody concerned.

-Absolutely.

-Lovely. Thanks, John.

0:36:500:36:53

-Cheers, now.

-Bye-bye.

-Bye.

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Sometimes, I really cringe about dealing with certain companies.

0:36:570:37:01

I have to be honest,

0:37:010:37:02

so far, O2 have been really, really good. They have taken all my calls,

0:37:020:37:06

they've been polite, they've sorted out one problem

0:37:060:37:09

and he has promised me he'll sort out the other one by 10am tomorrow,

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which is only about 20 hours away.

0:37:120:37:14

As long as it's good news!

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It's bound to be.

0:37:180:37:19

While I wait to see what O2 can do for Matthew, I'm pleased to hear

0:37:210:37:26

that the company has come through for Helen.

0:37:260:37:28

Having already offered to refund her 50% of the amount she's already paid

0:37:280:37:32

out for a phone she never received, they've gone one step further.

0:37:320:37:36

"As an additional gesture, we are able to refund the other half

0:37:360:37:39

"of the payments she has made to us, which totals £272.48."

0:37:390:37:45

Wow.

0:37:490:37:50

That's brilliant.

0:37:520:37:53

That is absolutely... Thank you.

0:37:530:37:56

In a statement, O2 said to us...

0:37:560:37:59

I honestly didn't think I'd win... if winning's the word.

0:38:200:38:23

That's fantastic, That's absolutely fantastic!

0:38:250:38:28

Wow, thank you, Dom. Brilliant, mate. Absolutely bang on!

0:38:280:38:35

'Thanks very much. One down, one to go.'

0:38:350:38:37

Well, after many, I have to say, quite pleasant phone calls to John

0:38:370:38:41

from O2, I have got some news for Matthew, Colin and Louise.

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So I have come way "oop north," to Grimsby, to deliver it in person.

0:38:450:38:49

-Hello, Dom, nice to see you.

-Nice to meet you.

-You, too.

0:38:580:39:01

Thanks for coming all this way from The Smoke.

0:39:010:39:03

-Come in, we've got the kettle on, mate.

-Lovely.

0:39:030:39:07

Matthew, you are now 21, why did you not order this phone yourself?

0:39:070:39:11

Every time I've bought a phone before, it's been with my mum,

0:39:110:39:14

and I thought it would be better if I went through it with her.

0:39:140:39:18

It's a legally binding contract and I didn't want to do something

0:39:180:39:22

that I'd get tied up in which wasn't right, so looked for support

0:39:220:39:25

-from my mum with it.

-OK. That says a lot for you, doesn't it?

-Yes.

0:39:250:39:28

-He trusts his mum!

-He did!

-We all trust our mums!

0:39:280:39:31

We need our mums!

0:39:310:39:33

'Time to get down to the nitty gritty.'

0:39:330:39:35

The first time you realised there was a problem was when the bill

0:39:350:39:39

-came through, which was in January?

-Yes.

0:39:390:39:41

Quite rightly, you continued to make payments.

0:39:410:39:44

You disputed them, but made the payments because you did not want

0:39:440:39:48

you getting a bad mark against your name. They do have an issue,

0:39:480:39:51

in the fact that... There's no disputing the phone's gone.

0:39:510:39:55

There is a dispute in that O2 are saying, "Hang on a second,

0:39:550:39:58

"you owe us nearly £600." They still believe you owe them that.

0:39:580:40:02

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, O2 owe us 53 quid, for the payments

0:40:020:40:07

we made on the contract we have since rescinded.

0:40:070:40:09

We have had to go back to O2 and say, "Hang on a second."

0:40:090:40:12

We've hit them with all the facts, about the fact he didn't get

0:40:120:40:16

his confirmation letter, it went to the wrong address.

0:40:160:40:19

You had not signed for it.

0:40:190:40:20

They did not roll over, but they have come back and we have now

0:40:200:40:24

finally got a decision for you. What they are going to do,

0:40:240:40:27

they are now going to wipe the slate 100% clean.

0:40:270:40:30

-That's great. Wonderful.

-It's all finished.

0:40:300:40:34

The problem's out the way. They do say that is an extreme

0:40:340:40:37

measure of goodwill.

0:40:370:40:40

But there is still a grey area outstanding, isn't there?

0:40:400:40:43

At the moment, his credit rating has got a mark against it, hasn't it?

0:40:430:40:47

O2 are going to remove the mark they have made against your name.

0:40:470:40:51

So, your credit rating is going to go back to where it was before

0:40:510:40:54

this problem.

0:40:540:40:56

-Excellent!

-That's well good, eh?

-Absolutely.

0:40:560:41:00

-Are you going to have a little cry?

-I might, after all this stress!

0:41:000:41:03

Oh, come here and have a Dommy hug!

0:41:030:41:05

Thank you so much. It's fantastic.

0:41:080:41:11

After contacting O2, they had this to say...

0:41:140:41:18

We also asked mobiles.co.uk to respond. They said...

0:41:500:41:53

With regard to any breach of E-Commerce Regulations,

0:42:100:42:13

they state their processes are...

0:42:130:42:15

I think there is a message to be learned there

0:42:320:42:35

when you saw the relief on Louise's face.

0:42:350:42:38

Companies need to realise that when you've got a decent customer

0:42:380:42:41

and they've got a problem you need to sort them out very quickly.

0:42:410:42:44

She's had untold stress as a result of this and she didn't need it.

0:42:440:42:49

Absolutely elated. I can't believe it.

0:42:490:42:52

It's wonderful news. It has been such a long, long year

0:42:520:42:58

and three months of worry, panic, feeling as if we're getting nowhere.

0:42:580:43:02

I can't wait to get on with my life.

0:43:020:43:04

It's been so long since it started. For it to all come to an end now,

0:43:040:43:08

it's just such a great weight off my back.

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