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All across the UK we are following your success stories | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
of fighting back against doorstep crime, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
rip-off rogue traders, cold-calling conmen, you name it. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
We are all united against them. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
We are celebrating the work of award-winning police | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
and trading standards teams all over the country. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
What's more, with your help we have been busy spreading the word | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
about how to show these crooks the door. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Today I meet a remarkable war veteran who'd twigged that he was | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
the target of an audacious six grand roofing scam. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Thanks to his bravery the crooks were brought to justice. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
We are living in a jungle of predators and prey. I was prey. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:45 | |
A rogue repair man from Staffordshire is banged up | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
for blowing 50,000 a year on a gambling addiction, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
which, by the way, he funded by ripping off elderly victims. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Money was taken up front and there was either two results, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
one, the work was never started, or work was started but never finished. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
Plus, one of my favourites, the heroic off-duty police officer | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
who caught a charity scammer red-handed. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
It does not get much lower than what this male actually did. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
I cannot use the word I would like to use for him, obviously, on camera. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
Hello and welcome to the programme. We begin with a fascinating fact. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
The Office of Fair Trading tells us that roofing scams | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
account for the largest number of complaints about rogue traders. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Believe it or not, more than 1,500 of them every year. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
I have been to see a lovely man in Kent who realised that he | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
was being conned by door-to-door repairmen. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
They wanted to deal with his guttering. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
But he was determined not to lose his life savings. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
And his bravery is an inspiration to all of us. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
We are in the bustling county town of Maidstone. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
Take a look at this CCTV footage of a young man drawing money | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
from the cash machine on the left. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
It seems innocent enough | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
but in fact the card he is using belongs to a 92-year-old war veteran | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
who was targeted by this man and his accomplice. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
They pressurised him into having unnecessary work | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
carried out on his home. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
I think it is disgusting that I should be targeted by these people. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:30 | |
I felt they were genuine. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
This was a particularly despicable crime. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
They focused on Mr Gale, the exploited his generous nature | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
and his friendliness, and maximised their gain. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
It was in November 2010 that John Hanley | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
and his partner in crime, John Bryan, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
knocked on the door of John Gale. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
He is keen to tell me the whole story about how | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
he was pressurised into this unnecessary roofing work, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
in the hope that other viewers | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
won't have to suffer the same dreadful experience. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Tell me about the day these con men came calling at your front door. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
They came to the door, two gentleman, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
and asked me if they could do some work on the guttering. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:14 | |
And I said, no, I did not want any work done. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
I could not afford to have the work done. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
But there was some trouble with the guttering | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and would they do a repair job for me? | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
Now, unfortunately, this request for repair work was just the excuse | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
that Hanley and Bryan needed to get in a foot in the door. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Once inside they began a very lengthy sales pitch. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
Describe to me the kind of pressure you were under in your house | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
when they were trying to talk you into doing this guttering. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
They explained to me that the longer I waited | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
the more damage would occur to the roof. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
And it would probably fall down | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and if somebody was calling in at the house it could injure them | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
and I would have a very huge claim for compensation from the person. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
This is why I asked them to repair it, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
to alleviate that possibility. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
After more than three hours, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
yes, I said three hours of pressure selling, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
John agreed to have the guttering replaced at a cost of £2,400. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
But there was nothing wrong with his roof | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
and it was one of the oldest tricks in the rogue roofer's book. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
Very familiar to the Trading Standards department | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
at Kent county council. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
The next day they wanted the deposit of £300. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
A cheque was unacceptable to them. They wanted cash. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
So they took Mr Gale to the bank. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Unfortunately it was closed, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
so they took him shopping and then found out he had | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
a cashpoint card which could be used, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and they subsequently went along, obtained his PIN number, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
and obtained the £300 deposit from his account. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
But as a result they received a receipt which showed | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Mr Gale had a balance in excess of £6,000. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
That was to become key in future transactions. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Initially, John put the men's behaviour down to kindness | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
and had been swept along with it. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
But it was not long before he realised the truth of the matter. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
When I got home I realised how stupid I had been. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
I immediately phoned the bank and cancelled the card. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
He obviously took the right decision but it was too late. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
Know that Hanley and Bryan | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
knew exactly how much money John had in the bank | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
it was not long before they came back | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
to invent more work which they claim needed doing. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
This time they said it was felting work, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
which would cost, wait for it, £4,000. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
Did you feel that the felting needed doing? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Well, I didn't know, you see, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
because I did not even know there was felt on the roof! | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Technically, I was at their mercy | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
because I did not understand roof work at all. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
This additional work brought the total that John owed to £6,000. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
Now, he went along with this, but very reluctantly. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
With the extra money now agreed, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
the men try to get John to pay up as quickly as possible. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
This meant that Hanley and Bryan | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
drove John to the bank for a second time. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
They wanted him to withdraw £3,000 | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
but by now he was becoming very suspicious about the whole affair. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:19 | |
What were you thinking at this time? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
I was thinking that that was the amount that they had seen | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
on my bank account statement, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
that they got from the cashpoint machine. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
And that they were going to have every penny of it. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
With alarm bells ringing, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
he knew that he would have to take action, and fast. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
And we find out a little later on how John dealt with those crooks. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
Thanks to all this technology | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
I have another example doorstep crime, right here. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Hello. I'm Brian Mycock of Staffordshire County Council | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
and I'd like to you a case of a rogue builder | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
who thought he could get away | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
with taking thousands of pounds of money off local people. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Thank-you very much. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
And in fact, this story has certainly piqued our interest. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
So we went straight to Staffordshire to find out what's been going on. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
Well, it turned out that this man, 50-year-old Anthony Mander, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
was one of Staffordshire's most prolific door-stepping rogues. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
The compulsive con-artist scammed vulnerable people | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
throughout the county in order to fund a desperate addiction. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
Mander was systematic. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
In a way, he was a mini crime-wave in his own right. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
There were 17 families that were victims. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
The amount of money relating to that was about £27,000, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
but there was further victims. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
We estimate the total was over £100,000. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
£100,000 pounds?! From 17 families?! Utterly appalling. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
But one of Mander's victims was about to fight back. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
She wants to share her story with us, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
but prefers to keep her identify private, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
so we'll going to call her Felicity. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
In the bitter winter of 2009, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
she was having problems with her radiators. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
She decided to spend a considerable amount of her savings | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
on installing some new ones. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
Now, by sheer chance, or should I say bad luck? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
Anthony Mander just happened to be prowling | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
the streets of Staffordshire looking for residents to rip off. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
Mander had previous convictions for deception | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
involving elderly people and building. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Money was taken up front, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
some large amounts, some small amounts, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
and there was either two results. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
One, the work was never started. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
Or the work was started and never finished. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Unfortunately, Felicity was about to find that out for herself. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
The doorbell rang and when I went to the door | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
this man was there asking if I needed any odd jobs doing. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Because I was in need of some heating | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
downstairs in the house I asked him in. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
Mander told her he could fit two radiators for £460. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
But we'll never know how he hit on this figure | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
since he didn't give her an invoice. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
But Felicity was pretty cold and desperate | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
and with her heating in total shut-down, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
she was thoroughly taken in by the rip-off merchant. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Mander comes over to older people as very friendly. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
He has a personality | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
that appears to me... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
to generate trust, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
particularly among older people. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Mander claimed he needed £460 up front | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
and suggested that Felicity withdraw the cash straight away. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
Any alarm bells ringing for you yet? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I went to the bank and came back home | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
and he was there waiting for me which I thought was a bit weird. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Mander then told Felicity that she should have a new boiler fitted. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
In fact, she really needed to have a whole new heating system installed. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
Oh and by the way, he actually wanted £1,800 up front. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
What a rotter! | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
Mander's methodology was very similar across all his victims. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
He'd quote for a smaller job. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
He'd then say more work should be done. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
In this case, it was radiators to start with. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Then it was radiators plus boiler. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
And that's the way he dealt with people. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
In a matter of days, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
Felicity handed him a large chunk of her savings | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
and had nothing to show for it. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
I was worried because I was paying him money in cash. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
I said, "So how much more do I owe you?" | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
And he said, "Well, I've got to pay the men." | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
And I said, "What do you mean, you've got to pay the men? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
"They've done nothing. I've not seen any men. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
"If there's no men, I want the money back." | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Of course, Mander's men never materialised. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
And by now, Felicity was really starting to worry. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
When I rang him repeatedly every day, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
he told me quite bluntly that | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
it wasn't on and I said, "Well, it is on because | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
"you should be ringing me." | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
After several frustrating weeks in a freezing cold house | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
with no men at work | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
and no sign of the radiators or boiler that she'd paid for, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
Felicity's patience finally ran out. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
I felt gutted and I felt angry. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
I said, "I've thought about this | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
"and I am cancelling the whole project | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
"and I want my money back." He said, "You realise | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
"you won't get it back straight away." | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
I said, "I want the money back" and I put the phone down on him | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
and I rang the police. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Good for you, Felicity! The police immediately passed on her details | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
to Brian Mycock at Staffordshire Trading Standards. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
When we first spoke to her, she was upset. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
She didn't know which way to turn. She realised she'd probably lost | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
quite a lot of money and she just wanted help and assistance. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
Thankfully, Brian was soon able to compile a comprehensive list | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
of complaints against Mander. Police and Trading Standards moved in. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
When I heard that he'd been arrested, I was very pleased. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
I was so pleased that they'd got him, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
but not hopeful of a good result when he'd gone to court. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
Brian's team worked hard to gather a raft of damning evidence | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
against Anthony Mander. They soon discovered the shocking truth | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
about what really happened to Felicity's money | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
and just wait till you hear this. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
The door-stepping scam-artist was in fact | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
an online gambling obsessive | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
who was spending almost £50,000 a year on his addiction. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
When I found out that he'd spent thousands of pounds gambling, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
I was mortified. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
He'd had all the money I had | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
and I didn't have much. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
I just feel stunned, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
angry... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
a whole lot of emotions that go through my mind. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
At Stoke on Trent Crown Court, Anthony Mander pleaded guilty | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
to 29 fraud offences | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
and was sentenced to three years and nine months in prison. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
The full extent of his cynical scam | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
is still very much in Felicity's mind. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
But one thing's for sure. I wouldn't like to be in his shoes | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
should he ever run into this feisty lady again. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
I'd like to get a set of stocks set up in the town... | 0:13:54 | 0:14:00 | |
put him in them...and I'd throw rotten eggs at him, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
and get a megaphone and shout, "Come and watch, come and watch! | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
"See what I'm doing to this man who has taken my money, to gamble it, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
"when all I wanted was a bit of heating!" | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
I think you'll agree, quite a lady! | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Still to come... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
the off-duty police officer who tracked down a door to door cheat | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
who conned members of the public | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
and tried to deprive a charity of its funding. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
It made me, I suppose, angry in a way. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
That the fact that somebody is going round | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
saying that they are collecting for a worthy cause, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
and they're not genuine, taking advantage of good nature! | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
As always, thank you very much for all your letters and emails. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Wa have one from Brian Abram, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
who says when somebody tells him that his house needs some work done to it, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
he tells them the property is rented | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
and then offers the name of the letting agent. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
He finds that they soon disappear. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Well, that certainly sounds like it does the trick, Brian. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
So thank you very much indeed for the tip. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Now, at this stage we catch-up with John Gale in Kent, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
who was being ripped off by rogue roofers. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
They'd discovered that he had around £6,000 in his bank account | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
and they simply wanted the lot. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
So how did John turn the tables on the crooks? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
He was upset and unsettled by the idea that | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
they could be inventing roofing jobs in order to scam his savings. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
So he took the brave decision | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
to get in touch with both Trading Standards and Kent Police | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and it proved to be the turning point in the case. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
We were very concerned with the situation | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
and we immediately reacted, and attended Mr Gale's house, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
where we found the vehicle of the conmen just leaving the property. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
And by phoning that detail through to the police | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
they were subsequently stopped and arrested on scene. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
Were you worried about phoning the police? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Not at all. You know, they were the people to call. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
Trading Standards sent in an independent surveyor | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
to examine the work carried out by John Hanley and John Brien. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
The inevitable conclusion was | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
that the roof did not require any felting work | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
and even if it had, it should only have cost £200. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
Poor John had been conned from the moment he'd opened his front door. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Sadly, his story isn't unique, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
so I'm keen to find out how conmen everywhere | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
worm their way into people's lives. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Richard, the thing that amazes me with all these cases | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
is how cunning all these people are on the doorstep. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Take me inside their head, as to how they do all of that. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Well, I mean, these are professional conmen, they do it day in day out, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
and they build up, really, such skills | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
at manipulating people's minds, really, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
to convince them that they need this work done. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
And, you know, they build up that trust that's not there in reality | 0:16:49 | 0:16:55 | |
but in the victim's mind they then become their friends | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
and that's when they become susceptible to being conned. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
How would you describe, with all your experience, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
these kind of people who do scams on the doorstep like this? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Well, these kind of people are nasty. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
They know how to exploit people like John Gale | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
and they know how to, sort of, sow the seeds | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
that make him decide that the work is incredibly necessary - | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
is urgent, needs to be done. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
And they spend, you know, many hours breaking down those barriers, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
building up those friendships | 0:17:23 | 0:17:24 | |
and, ultimately, they get away with what they can. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
So, in the end, what are we all to learn from this? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
We need to be aware of our family members | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
who may well be living on their own | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
and make sure that, actually, any improvement work that needs doing, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
we help them through that, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
rather than let them chose somebody that knocks on their door. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
And now for the good news - | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
John Hanley and John Brien got what they really deserved | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
on the 23rd of December 2011. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Each received a 12 month suspended sentence. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
They were also fitted with electronic tags, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
ordered to carry out 275 hours of community service, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
pay the costs of £1,250 | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
and to pay back the £3,300 they had taken from John. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
Now, unpleasant as the ordeal was, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
it's taught him a very valuable lesson. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
I've learnt not to do any financial transactions on the doorstep, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
for a start. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
I mean if they were a reputable company | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
they wouldn't be coming to the door to get work! | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
So, yes, ignore anybody, cold callers on the doorstep. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
Well, there you have it - | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
probably the best and most simple advice. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
And, of course, our thanks to John Gale for sharing his experience with us. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Now it's time to reveal how another doorstep criminal was brought to justice, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
thanks to a courageous man in North Wales. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
And I can promise you a truly heart-warming story. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
In May 2011, North Wales Police caught up with one Anthony Lewis. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
He'd been cold calling at homes around the Wrexham area, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
collecting money which he claimed | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
was going to support the Help for Heroes charity. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
It made me, I suppose, angry in a way. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
That the fact that somebody is going round | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
saying that they are actually collecting for a worthy cause | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
and they're not genuine, and taking advantage of people's good nature. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
What Lewis was doing was underhand and despicable, really. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
Particularly given the fact that, you know, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
there are individuals of his age currently risking their lives | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
on the front line in Afghanistan | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Police believe Lewis conned over 100 people, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
taking advantage of their kindness. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
The fraud that Lewis was undertaking... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
had gone on for a number of months. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
He'd purport to be planning to do a sponsored run | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
round the Brenig reservoir, in North Wales, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
at a given date in aid of the Help for Heroes charity. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Off-duty officer Martin Jones | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
has served with North Wales Police for ten years. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
When Lewis target him he made his biggest mistake. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
'Came to our door...' | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Very plausible young man, well-dressed, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
even said he was collecting for Help for Heroes charity. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
Said he was actually going through the selection process himself, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
he had ID on him, he was carrying a passport with him, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
a couple of sponsorship forms. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
Lewis claimed to be collecting money | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
in support of wounded servicemen and women | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
It comes as no surprise that so many residents | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
wanted to support such a worthwhile cause. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
'He came to the door, talking to my wife.' | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
It was really suspicious to me | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
but, a general member of the public, it may not have been that obvious. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Martin had heard reports of a young man | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
attempting a charity scam in the area, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
and so his curiosity was immediately aroused. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Obviously, in my role as a police officer, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
bulletins go around all the time, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
intelligence of what's going on in the area, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
and a colleague in work had actually sent out an email | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
to say that there was a bogus collector going round the area | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
and in fact quite a good part of North Wales, collecting for Help the Heroes. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
So Martin decided that it was time | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
to put a stop to what he suspected was a scam. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
After calling his colleagues for back-up, he decided to follow him. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Jumped in my car and decided to drive around the estate | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
to see if I could still see him. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Didn't come across him and thought, "I've blown it, I've lost him." | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Decided to come back, but as I'm coming back I caught sight of him further down another avenue. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
So I parked up then, I called it up to the control room, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
just basically where he was, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
and made sure that someone was still on their way up, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
and that's when I clocked him | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
going into the cul de sac where he actually lived. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Thanks to Martin's quick thinking, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
police were able to bring Lewis in for questioning. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Officer Iolo Edwards led the team. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
When he was arrested, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
we found sponsorship forms dating back to the summer of 2010, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
and those activities carried on at various points | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
right through until when he was arrested in May of 2011. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
Obviously, I was really pleased, my colleagues had turned up | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
and we'd finally identified this male | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
that we'd been after for a quite a few months. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Lewis had been busy right across North Wales | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
knocking on doors and conning people. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
When I interviewed him, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
he claimed to have sent over £600 | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
on one occasion into the charity. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
We know that he visited well over 100 people. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
It was quite a productive scam. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Productive indeed, and shocking as well. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
But at first Lewis did not own up to his callous activities. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:08 | |
He carried on lying throughout all the way through, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
he continued to claim that he was an innocent individual. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
Police sifted through the fraudulent sponsorship forms | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
found at Lewis' address. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
They then traced many of those who had donated their money. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
A lot of the people that were spoken to who had given money. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
There was a sense of anger more than anything that they'd been conned. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
One person that had contributed was a serving soldier himself, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
and quite clearly...he took it as a personal insult. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Um... And that was the attitude that was taken by everybody, really. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:51 | |
Lewis still claimed that he had given the money to the charity, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
via a £600 postal order and by putting cash into a collection box. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
Police confirmed that neither the charity nor the Royal Mail | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
had any record of that postal order, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
but it was impossible to prove | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
whether or not Lewis had donated any cash. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
It doesn't get much lower than what this male actually did, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
you know, as far as I'm concerned, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I can't use the words I would like to use for him on camera. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
It was only when he eventually appeared before the Crown Court | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
to plead guilty | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
that he finally acknowledged that he was actually guilty of fraud. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
Although police believe over 100 people were conned | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
and hundreds of pounds went missing, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
the prosecution focused on three of these cases | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
where the witness had particularly strong recollections | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
of their dealings with Lewis. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
In October 2011, following his guilty plea at Crown Court, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
he received a custodial sentence of ten months. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Martin's act was clearly astute, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
but his view of what he did is more modest. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
I don't think it's heroic I would hope every member of the public | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
would do the same thing if they had the same suspicions. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Had Martin not acted as he did | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
and followed Lewis on the night in question, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
we may not have been able to prove what he was up to. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
Martin's involvement was a crucial factor in the case. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
With Lewis brought to justice, the people of North Wales | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
can rest easy that at least one doorstep conman is off the streets. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
The advice police give on how to avoid this type of scam is clear. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
If people become suspicious of this type of person, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
they can carry background checks, even ask this person, whoever's collecting, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
to come back another time once they've made the necessary enquiries | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
to see if this person's actually registered with a charity, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
which they can do by various means - website, telephone, etc. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
If you're not happy to give, don't give to that charity and report it to the police. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
We will strive to gather evidence against these individuals, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
and, if the evidence is there, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
these people will be taken to court and will be punished appropriately. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
Fantastic work, what a great result! | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Now before we go, just enough time to read you this email from David Griffin. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
He's from a Neighbourhood Watch group based in Nottinghamshire. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
He says, "Crime cannot flourish in a community that cares, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
"so to be neighbourly and to prevent crime and the fear of crime, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
"start a Neighbourhood Watch scheme to look after yourselves - | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
"it's so simple to do." Great advice, so thanks, David. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
We're here to fight back against doorstep criminals | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
and we'd love to hear more about how you've caught them out. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Our details are on the website. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
Be sure to get in touch if you've got a story of your own. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
That's just about it. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
I hope you'll join us again next time. Bye-bye. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
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