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Wanted! Men and women with a passion for food,

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an unhealthy interest in bugs and a strong stomach.

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And why do we need them? Well, there is an alarming amount of food poisoning in the UK,

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affecting nearly a million people every year.

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That's nearly 20,000 of us every week.

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Yes, there are ways you can protect yourself,

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but, for everything else, you need the Food Inspectors.

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Throughout this series, we're with them as they leave no cupboard unopened.

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Those are mouse droppings again.

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And no shelf unchecked.

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You're selling fake wine to the public.

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-We'll be there as they take on the businesses that flout the rules.

-They never have a good word for you.

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And we'll be revealing the invisible risks you run

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every time you eat out.

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You're exposing your customers to get food poisoning.

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This week, the terror of the night-time takeaway.

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When you're drunk, I could put anything in my mouth and not even think about it.

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They could give customers food poisoning.

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And lunch at the local, but unwanted guests in the kitchen.

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Oh, look, you've got insect legs in there.

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A trip to the country causes a boot sale bust-up.

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Lou, pack. We're off here and you can go to hell.

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I'll be looking at why we're all so scared of salmonella.

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It's probably the most common bacteria

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associated with food poisoning.

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And you may not be able to see what's on your hands

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before eating, but we can.

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You could see these from space.

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Look at that.

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You wouldn't touch that in the daytime, and yet somehow, magically,

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after last orders, that becomes very attractive.

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It's a high-risk food, officially, and, in tests,

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one in five kebab shops have been demonstrated to pose a risk to your health.

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One in five - that's worse than Russian roulette.

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The only thing I'd eat at 2am is a doner kebab - it's probably the only thing that's open.

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When drunk, I could put anything in my mouth and not think about it.

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Pizza, burger, whatever - I don't really care.

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Anything that will absorb the alcohol, and if you're not sick, it's a bonus.

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So it's clear. When we're boozed up, our guard comes down,

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and food hygiene stops being our main concern.

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I'm teaming up with a man whose duty and pleasure it is to keep us safe from the terrors of takeaways.

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Why is it there if you're telling me it's not going to be sold?

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Why haven't you thrown it away? It's not ideal.

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How do you know what temperature that chicken is at?

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Steve's Southend seaside patch gets 6 million visitors every year.

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That's a lot of mouths to feed and a lot of places to inspect.

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Fish and chip shops, kebab shops, Chinese, Indian.

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And with over 40 years in the business, Steve knows that

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if you want to keep the public safe, you can't keep office hours.

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If food business operators thought that we only came out

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between 9am and 5pm, there's a tendency that some of them

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might think they might get away with things at other times,

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so we have to get out at a variety of times,

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and Saturday night is one of them.

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In you go.

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Steve carries out unannounced spot checks on the food joints, and the first place on this list

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is this pizza restaurant slap bang in the middle of the seafront.

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Hello, Steve Ramm from Southend Borough Council. I'm doing a re-visit today.

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When this place was last inspected, it didn't do very well

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on the borough's hygiene rating scheme. In fact, it got a zero.

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The owner was told to make improvements.

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What temperature does meat have to reach

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when you cook it to make sure that it's safe?

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Brown. Change colour...

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-The early signs aren't good.

-What temperature does that have to be...

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The way these pizza ingredients have been left at room temperature

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alerts Steve to a potential health risk for customers.

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What concerns me with these meats especially

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is that when they're at this 20 degrees,

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it's either barely refrigerated...

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This is going to grow bacteria - it can form toxins. Now, what are toxins?

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I'll tell you what they are. Bacteria will eat food, they'll drink water

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and they go to the toilet sometimes. Where will they do that?

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They're going to do it on this food.

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That's toxins, that's stuff that can make people sick

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and if it's put into the pizza oven, the bacteria will be killed

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by the high temperatures but those toxins - those chemicals -

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they are not changed and they could give customers food poisoning.

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Even in your home, salami stored at room temperature can produce toxins

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which are not killed by cooking, and this can make you very sick.

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Think about putting less food in

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because the nearer you get to the bottom, the colder it is.

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During the last inspection, it seemed the staff had little knowledge

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of how to store, cook and prepare food.

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The officer that was here six months ago said there was no evidence

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-that people had food hygiene training.

-I do have a certificate.

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-You have a certificate. Is it handy?

-Yeah, I have it.

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You've got it here? Are other staff trained?

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-There is two more.

-Yes.

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They're going to go to the council for their training, which is... I think it's for one day.

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So, this employee says he's completed a food hygiene course.

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It's time to put his knowledge to the test.

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Your specialist subject starts...

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-..now.

-As well as the temperature,

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-are there any other safeguards that you have about growing bacteria?

-No.

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How many of these things will move out on a daily basis?

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We do like... Do you mean today?

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What temperature would you look for

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to see it's reached a high enough temperature?

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-I can't answer that one.

-OK.

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The problems identified here six months ago clearly haven't been resolved.

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The time for warnings is over.

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This is the first legal step towards shutting a place down.

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This must be done. In what we call an improvement notice,

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it will say that it needs to be done within about six weeks,

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two months, right, and we'll come and check it again

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and it must be done or there will be consequences, OK?

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What do you do? Is there a point where you'd shut this place down, is it that serious?

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The difference between notices and letters is the time.

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And it will say, if you've not done what I've asked by six weeks, eight weeks from now,

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this will automatically go to court.

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So, it focuses their mind -

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prosecution if they don't do it then comes as the step after that.

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Despite the threat of closure, the number of premises

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which actually get closed down remains quite small.

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Most inspectors would rather work with an establishment

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than get the courts involved,

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and after the first unannounced visit, most improve.

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Just a pity that it takes a warning for them to do it.

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Later on, I'm back in Southend, as the people get merrier

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and Steve gets tougher.

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I can only give you a score of one,

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which is not a particularly good score. Don't slip again.

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Hello! It's Suffolk, land of village greens,

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afternoon teas and country markets,

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run by country folk, who have their own way of doing things.

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Here, Food Inspectors face a hygiene battle every bit as great

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as in the city.

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And it's one that these two women are determined to win.

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Yes, two of Mid-Suffolk's finest,

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Sara Proctor and Caroline Johnson, are off to a boot sale -

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not to bag a bargain, but to make sure food on sale is safe to eat.

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A lot of people feel that they can produce food at home

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and then they just turn up at car boots.

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At home, there are different sources of contamination.

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They may have pets there, they may have babies there.

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Things like that, which would be more specific to home catering.

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It's just really to have a look round and see what we can find.

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Once a Mecca for people flogging unwanted clothes, books and toys,

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it's now a huge market for those selling homemade jams,

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pies and cakes - not to mention mushrooms.

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So, what would this be? Is this the stuff that's too big maybe to go into the supermarkets, or...?

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Yes, they're seconds, but they are organic.

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I always say to people, you know, you can eat them just like sweets.

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Obviously, we would recommend that you wash them before you eat them.

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Got a little bit of compost on.

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What many traders don't realise is that once they make food for sale,

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their stalls and their kitchens are effectively commercial premises,

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which means they can be inspected for hygiene failings.

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If you give us your name and address...

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-You've made these at home, have you?

-All at home, yes.

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And, even in this most traditional corner of England, they must listen to Brussels. They won't like that!

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-You're registered with Babergh District Council, are you?

-Have I got to be registered?

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Under EU rules, anyone selling food commercially

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must register with their local council.

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-Hello.

-Morning.

-We're from the Environmental Health Department.

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-If you could explain what we've got?

-Mince pies and lemon curd. Banana loaf and cheese straws.

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You make the cakes at home, do you?

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-I've got my kitchen registered.

-Right, OK.

-Excellent.

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Do you put them in a bag or how do you handle them?

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We ask customers to put them in a bag. If they're eating them now, we say take it yourself.

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Most of the vendors are fine with the new rules but, for some, it's regulation gone mad.

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Hello there. Environmental Health Department Food Team.

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-So, where do you get your stock from?

-Wholesale.

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-Yeah? And the apples are yours, are they?

-My sister's.

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-Yeah. Are you registered with your local authority?

-No.

-No.

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It's just... I mean it's not a problem, it's just a registration form, you just fill it in.

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Local authorities are always a problem. They don't want to come near me. I'll tell you that now.

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-Right, OK...

-I don't need the harassment. I'd rather take if off the stall.

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It's up to you. As I said, it's free of charge.

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-Does that it include these?

-Yeah, it does.

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Which regulations are we talking about?

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It's an EC regulation 178, which covers...

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Fine, I'll look it up, and it's mandatory you're telling me?

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-It's free, you register with your local authority.

-This year it is. Next year, what happens?

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-It's just a registration.

-Tell me what health risk these are?

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-There's no health risk at all...

-Why do I have to register?

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This is classed as running a food business.

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Forget it. Lou, pack! We're off here. And you can go to hell. Sorry.

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They're fresh apples, they were picked last night.

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Why do I need the register to sell fresh apples?

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Have you ever heard of anybody getting sickness from a fresh apple?

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He's not keen on food registration.

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If you're storing food in the area, if you're selling food, you need to be registered.

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I have a problem because I think we're over regulated,

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it's a waste of public money sending officials here.

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Are they going to do this to people who sell by the roadside?

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Are they trying to restrict the supply of goods to people?

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What is the purpose of it?

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And, later on, when Sara turns her attention from the country fair

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to the country pub, she doesn't fare much better.

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I'm disappointed. I really thought it would be a bit tidier, a bit cleaner.

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OK, there are hazards to eating out

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but you're not always safe eating in either,

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especially if you're a bit of a stranger to the kitchen.

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10% of university students have never cooked a meal before they leave home.

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Many of them don't even know how to boil an egg,

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so what do they know about food preparation, and more importantly, hygiene?

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We're going to find out.

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Tonight, our own food inspector, Ben Milligan,

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is joining me at City University.

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Students' kitchens!

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Oh, this takes me back.

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-Hello.

-Right. You're in for a food inspection, OK, gang?

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Right, because we've been told

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that this is one of the worst, if not worst, kitchens

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-of the university.

-Wow!

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-Name and shame.

-Yeah.

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There are 2.5 million students in the UK

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and, according to Government figures, 20% of them get food poisoning each year.

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And looking at this, are you surprised?

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What we've got here - your eggs in a bowl,

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broken eggs in the egg box.

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Who broke the eggs?

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-I did.

-You did? And did you wash your hands after you broke the eggs?

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No.

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So, what things did you touch after?

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-I touched almost everything here.

-OK.

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-OK, so you've touched everything with eggs on your hands?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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Most of us crack eggs without thinking about where they've come from and what could be on them.

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Even worse, eggs at room temperature are an ideal breeding ground for bacteria.

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-Have you got a kitchen towel or...

-Yeah.

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OK, so you've got an old towel here. The chances are

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the egg will go on there and that will be a nice surface for bacteria to grow on.

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-When was this last cleaned?

-A month ago.

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Yeah, a month ago! Right, the towels are going straight to the lab

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to see what's on them.

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Tell us, right, what could be growing on there

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and what... how ill these guys could be?

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It could be salmonella, e-coli, you don't need many organisms

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on that because it'll grow in your intestines

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and it'll multiply and then you'll get diarrhoea

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and you'll get vomiting for between eight and eight days,

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so it's not necessarily how much there is, it's what's on there.

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-He's saying just because of a sponge, you can get all of those?

-Yeah, definitely.

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Hands up, everyone! Who's worried about dirty dishcloths?

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That would be all of you, then, and you're right to worry.

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Lab tests show that their towels were infested with bacteria -

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100,000 per centimetre -

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that's enough to cause a serious stomach upset. But even worse,

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the green towel being used to dry pots and pans

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tested positive for coliform bacteria

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and that's normally found down the toilet.

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OK, so hands out, you naughty boys and girls.

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Of course, the best way to stop germs spreading

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is by regularly washing our hands with soap and water

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for at least 20 seconds. Sounds easy but 85% of us

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don't do it properly.

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-Let's have a look.

-All washed?

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-They look good on the surface.

-It looks all right but what you can't see is the problem.

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-So, lights out, then?

-Please. OK. Ellie first.

-Yep.

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Oh, my goodness!

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The white spots show where bacteria tends to cling on to all our hands -

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around the fingernails and in between the fingers.

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-Urgh, look at your nails.

-Fingers.

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David, last and not least.

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You can see these from space.

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And the rest of you have all got dirty hands as well.

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Naughty, naughty.

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So, what are Ben's top tips in washing hands?

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Well, scrub under your nails

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because 20% of us have bacteria there

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that can cause vomiting and diarrhoea.

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Wash both hands equally - sounds obvious

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but right-handed people wash their left more thoroughly, and vice versa.

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And remove your jewellery when washing

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because it can be a haven for bacteria.

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OK, lights up. I'm absolutely shocked.

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It's not necessarily the kitchen - it's the people.

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I think we're going to order a pizza.

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I don't blame you, I don't blame you.

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OK, your home and cleaning habits may be better than this,

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but there are still a few things we can all learn about kitchen hygiene.

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Firstly, antibacterial spray only works

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if you clean off surface dirt first.

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When wiping those worktops, use disposable paper towels

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but, if you do use a dishcloth, make sure you wash regularly

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at a high temperature.

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And you are pretty much up there on the wanted list for hygiene.

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I'm going to give that a C.

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-Wouldn't you?

-No.

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Yeah, but you're harsh. We want to see an improvement,

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because we'd like to see you in a couple of weeks' time -

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still alive, yeah?

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It's easy to criticise the rules and regulations

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that surround food hygiene

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but they're there for a reason - to keep us all safe.

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In Southend, it's closing time for the pubs and clubs.

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As the drinkers come out onto the streets,

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the takeaways are gearing up for their busiest period.

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To keep this lot safe,

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Steve Ramm and I are still checking what's on the menu.

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Next in Steve's line of fire is popular burger joint, Doodah's.

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Hello. Are you in charge here at the moment?

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-Today, yeah.

-Today you are.

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I've come here to make a food hygiene inspection. Thank you.

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-Vaughn, how long have you been cooking?

-Since I was 16, 17.

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Is it about the last person you want to see coming through the door?

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I mean, I've dealt with health inspectors quite often,

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he's got to do his job, we're trying to do our job.

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It wouldn't be on my behalf, would it, to upset a food inspector?

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There is a reason why Vaughn wants to impress the food inspector -

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Southend is signed up to a nationwide scheme

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to rate food hygiene. It's very simple.

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Five is good, zero is bad. On the last visit, Vaughn just got a two.

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I was pleased to see that you've got Lion brand eggs

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because some people go for cheaper eggs

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and they're not always as good as they ought to be

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in terms of bacteria, such as salmonella.

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Lion brand eggs are pretty much a guarantee

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that you'll be all right, so I like that.

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That's a tip right there. All eggs with Lion branding

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have come from hens which have been vaccinated against salmonella.

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What temperature are you seeing that the burger will reach

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to say that it's cooked enough?

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I look for blood, I look for it to be cooked through the middle.

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-Yeah, so an the absence of blood...

-And it's turned many a time.

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-Right. We do recommend that now again you check with a probe.

-Yeah.

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Burgers should be cooked at 75 degrees Centigrade.

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Checking temperature is important in keeping food safe, hot or cold.

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Now, what are you doing to check that the temperature in here

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is always what it ought to be?

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We normally keep our fridges round about the 2 mark.

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You have it on a mark, OK.

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It ought to be written down what temperature you look for

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to make sure that the foods in here are at a good temperature.

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No written records mean that Steve can't be sure the staff

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are sticking to hygiene rules, and that could mean a low score.

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The main problem, I think, is the fact that you haven't got

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that paperwork that I mentioned, OK?

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If you had that, it would answer the questions -

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"what temperatures should the refrigerators be?"

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Because you haven't got that system,

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yeah, I can only give you a score of one,

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which is not a particularly good score, so don't let it slip again.

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If you can do that, you could ask for a re-scoring visit.

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Thank you.

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Not the result you were looking for. One star.

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Bit disappointing. I was hoping for a few more than that.

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The scoring system is supposed to

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make people like Vaughn sharpen up their act,

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but keen-eyed viewers may have spotted a flaw.

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There is nothing in the law to force owners to display their score.

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Here's my problem. If someone has got one star,

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-they're not forced to put it on the door, so you'll never know.

-True, but the people who make these laws

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are thinking of the possibility of making it mandatory, to put it on the door,

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but if people can't see a good score, they'll fear the worse.

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Until it is law,

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you can always check scores

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on the council's website before you go out.

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Late-night takeaways may be a big cause of food poisoning,

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but the granddaddy of bacteria responsible

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we're talking salmonella has many ways of getting into our bodies.

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Let's talk salmonella. That's what's inside my little Petri dish here.

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It's probably the most well known,

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the most common bacteria associated with food poisoning.

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Do you want a closer look? Let's put it under the microscope.

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You can probably see they've got little tails

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and that does help them move around.

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So, where does it come from?

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Well, basically, salmonella lives in the guts of animals

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so it can affect meat, dairy and eggs.

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But through contact,

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it can also contaminate fruit, vegetables and shellfish.

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Salmonella food poisoning will give you watery diarrhoea,

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stomach cramps, you'll probably vomit a lot

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and you'll have a fever, and you'll probably get these symptoms

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12 - 48 hours after eating contaminated food.

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And here's the best bit it could all last up to ten days.

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So can you taste salmonella?

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Well, no, because contaminated food doesn't taste any different.

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I can tell you that salmonella does like fatty foods,

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such as chicken and eggs, and I've got some bad news for you.

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You can find salmonella in chocolate.

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So how can we avoid salmonella? It's back to those pesky eggs again.

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Never crack a raw egg on a bowl containing other foods.

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Use a knife to crack the shell. Store eggs below 20 degrees Centigrade,

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and to avoid cross-contamination, keep eggs apart from other foods.

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Back in Suffolk and food inspector Sara Proctor,

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a self-confessed stickler for high standards, is on her way to a country pub.

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Not for a game of dominos by the fire, but to check out the kitchen.

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With a pub menu, some pubs try to do too much

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and they have a lot of variety on the menu

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and unless it's well managed, you have the risk of people

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keeping food in the fridge too long, handling it badly.

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Sara has become a bit of a regular at The Crown lately...

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-See what reception we get from him.

-..but for all the wrong reasons.

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-Hi, there.

-You all right?

-Yes, fine, thanks. How are you?

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Do you want to go into the kitchen and have a chat?

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Manager Jon Collis also doubles as the chef.

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Over the last two years, his hygiene ratings been dismal,

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fluctuating between zero and two.

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Sara's been trying to help him improve.

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-Keeping on top of the cleaning?

-Yeah.

-Yeah?

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Before starting her inspection, Sara has to clean her hands.

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Easier said than done.

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Just looking for your wash hand basin? Not the easiest to get to?

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Not today, no. This is today's dirt on here, so...

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Microwaves, as well. I mean, that's mess in there from last time.

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What's happening here? That isn't particularly clean.

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No, it's only today, my dear,

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because they have a wash down every day.

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Jon is not only the chief cook,

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he's also bottle washer, doing the cleaning as well.

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That might explain the ready meals.

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-These are going to be defrosted?

-Yes, that's what you asked me to do,

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freeze them as soon as I bought them.

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-You'll just re-heat those then?

-Yeah, microwave them, yes.

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Do you put a date that you freeze them on?

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No, I use them fresh, that's the back-up.

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Sometimes it is quite handy to put on what date you froze them.

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What's this? This is a bit of lasagne.

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That's half a child's portion last night. That'll go.

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What go out or...? Yeah, there you go.

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OK, that's the food.

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What about the equipment?

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You've got quite a few tins in here and some of them have got flaking bits.

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You see, that could be on somebody's food, couldn't it?

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You've got risk of foreign body contamination.

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Oh, la, la. Foreign body contamination.

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I think we might be about to find more evidence of that.

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You've got dirt and debris in your...

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You need to make sure they are clean.

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You've got some... Oh look, this isn't really very good, is it?

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You've got insect legs in there, haven't you?

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I mean, obviously people are going to eat with these, so...

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Dirty cooking equipment and now dead flies in the cutlery.

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It's not what Sara was expecting after her last warning.

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To be honest, I'm disappointed.

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I really thought after the conversations we had,

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I really thought it would be a bit tidier, a bit cleaner.

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I do feel you've lost your way a little bit.

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-Do you not see that?

-Yeah, I think you could be right.

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-You want to carry on serving?

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Get it clean and then, probably, what we'll do is,

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we'll get you to come back in the office

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-and we'll have another chat about it.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

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It's a gently worded ultimatum.

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I would have thought that after the involvement we'd had last time with him,

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I thought standards would have improved

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and I think they've gone the wrong way.

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The cutlery with all the bits in is just not acceptable.

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If Mr Collis doesn't clean up this time,

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he will face prosecution.

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This is just a glitch, I will be back on top of it again.

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In Southend, chef Vaughn managed to find his missing paperwork.

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I don't want to write a letter

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saying that you hadn't got it and then it was there all the time.

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And Doodah's was upgraded to a score on the door of two.

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In Suffolk, two weeks after her last visit to The Crown pub,

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Sara returned to see whether Jon Collis had managed to clean up his kitchen.

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And you know what? It sparkled.

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When you spent a little bit of time cleaning, did you think actually...

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Everything was cleaned out.

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Everything that's free-standing has been out.

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And what about the insects in the cutlery drawer?

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I think even you were quite surprised with what was in there.

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A lot better, isn't it?

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And, again, you've had a good clean in here as well, haven't you?

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Nice one, Jon. He's also hired a cleaner

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so the kitchen stays this way.

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Some interesting results there, but the big question is,

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will you be tempted the next time you're out to have a takeaway?

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Not if I remember some of Steve's warnings,

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and not if I don't see a good score on the door.

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You could always eat in before going out.

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That's very sensible, Chris(!)

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Join us again next time as we reveal more of those dangers

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-and how to avoid them. See you then.

-Bye.

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Next time, I'm in Brent with one man who takes no prisoners.

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You can't be open, OK? There's no way.

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And I look at the hidden dangers of eating at your desk.

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I think you may find one or two living organisms in there.

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Possibly more than that.

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