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We asked you who's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
when it comes to your holidays, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
It was absolutely gutting, you know, we just... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
We thought, "That's it, we've lost our money." | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Never in my life have I experienced anything like that. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
It... I wouldn't wish it on anybody. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where all this week, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
we're bringing a bit of much needed holiday feeling into your homes, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
and that's because we've come to the island of Lanzarote | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
for our special series of programmes | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
investigating all the things you've told us | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
have gone wrong with your travel and holidays. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Well, I'm sure that many of us would probably say that | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
the whole process of planning a trip in the first place | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
is actually part of the fun, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
and even when that's just a means to an end, it really is fantastic | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
when all the preparations are made and you can start really | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
looking forward to everything that you've booked and paid for. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Provided, that is, that all of your carefully laid plans don't | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
suddenly start unravelling before you've even ended up going. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Bit of a warning there, Angela, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
but I'm afraid our stories today are all situations where, through | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
no fault of your own, vital details of your holiday have ended up | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
being changed, swapped around or simply just muddled up, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
sometimes right at the last minute, which is utterly infuriating, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
and then you might spend precious days of your trip trying to | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
catch up or simply put things right, but certainly | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
you'll end up wondering how on earth it is that such fundamental changes | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
were ever allowed to happen in the first place. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Coming up - why getting your money back after a big change | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
to your cruise itinerary probably won't be plain sailing. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
You're put in a position where they're not giving you what you've paid for, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
but they aren't giving you time to do anything about it. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
And what should happen when you've booked and paid for your flight, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
but the airline says there isn't a seat for you on the plane? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
It doesn't happen in any other form of business, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
and I don't understand how they think that this is reasonable. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Now, you wouldn't believe how often we at Rip-Off Britain | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
hear from people telling us | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
they're desperate to get rid of their time-share. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Whether it's because of rising maintenance fees, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
or a change of circumstance or ill health, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
they can't make use of them any more. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
But this next story is almost the complete opposite, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
because the time-share owner we're about to meet | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
loves the place his family has been going to for decades. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
In fact, he'd like nothing more than to keep going back year after year. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
So, why does it appear that's not going to happen? | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
The '80s, a decade of shoulder pads, big hair, ginormous phones, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
and one business in particular was booming - time-share. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Holiday accommodation shared by multiple owners | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
guaranteeing you a couple of weeks in the sun | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
at a fixed price in a place you know, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
but just as the fashions have faded, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
so too has the popularity of time-shares. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Ownership has declined, and many people are now desperately trying | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
to get rid of theirs, but that can't be said for Gary Pennington. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
His time-share at the Palm Beach Club in Tenerife has been | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
in the family since the '80s, and holds many happy memories for Gary, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
who has owned it personally since 1999. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
I've owned the time-share at Palm Beach Club since my mum died | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
and she left it to me in her will. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
The reason we go back there every year is we've made some nice | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
friends that stay at Palm Beach the same weeks. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
It's just a nice place to go at that time of year. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
The Palm Beach Club resort in Tenerife is | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
something of a landmark in Playa de las Americas. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
On its website, it boasts of a prime beach location | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
and facilities that entice guests back year after year, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
including Gary, who's been returning | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
for his two weeks there every November. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
So, the apartment is 507, which is on the front of the building. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
It looks out on the beach in front of it out at the Atlantic Ocean. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
It's just a perfect position for me. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Like many time-shares, this complex is run by a committee, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
which in the case of the Palm Beach Club | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
consists of time-share owners | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
and a company called Silverpoint, a big name in the industry. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
It's this group of people that decides how to best manage the club, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
from setting the maintenance fees to the servicing of the apartments, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
and Gary's relationship with the committee has been a good one. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
I've always thought the maintenance fees for my studio have | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
always been good value for money. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
But in 2014, the committee voted in favour of a decision | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
that changed all that. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
As a result of falling revenues, instead of members like Gary | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
having fixed weeks and apartments as they'd always done, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
their time-share would instead be transferred | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
to what's called a floating system, with no guarantees | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
of which apartment they could stay in or when. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
The changes within the club mean | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
that my apartment is no longer my apartment. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
My fixed weeks are no longer my fixed weeks. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
I'm expected to enquire, "Can I have such and such an apartment? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
"Can I have such and such a week?" | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
On top of that, Silverpoint told Gary that his apartment would | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
no longer be part of the time-share scheme. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Instead, it would be transferred to a holiday company | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
to be rented out however they chose. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
As a result, Gary wouldn't be able to stay in the apartment | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
ever again under the time-share scheme. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
I couldn't believe it when I was told | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
I couldn't use my own apartment. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
It's like someone stealing something from you. That's how I feel. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
And I've had no control over that theft. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Silverpoint argued that however unhappy Gary might be, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
the changes had been voted through by the committee. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
The company did offer Gary an alternative for his next trip, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
an ocean view apartment on the ninth floor, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
for the same two weeks that he'd always had in November. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
But Gary was reluctant to agree without having seen it. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
And by the time he was able to do that, 13 weeks later, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
it was no longer available. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
So instead Silverpoint offered Gary another apartment, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
on another floor, but this time without a sea view. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
It's much smaller, the outlook isn't the same, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
it wasn't acceptable to me. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Gary still couldn't understand how Silverpoint could change | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
the terms of his time-share so significantly without his agreement. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
Particularly as the paperwork he owns seemed clear to him | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
that he was entitled to occupy his apartment for his chosen weeks | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
until the year 2036. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
I said, "How can I now no longer own that apartment | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
"when I have a deed that says I do for those two weeks?" | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Palm Beach committee's response to my e-mails were | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
that's what's going to happen, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
there's nothing that you can do about it. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
Your apartment has gone. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
But Gary had already booked his next trip to Tenerife for November 2014. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
And, seemingly powerless to overturn the committee's decision, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
it seemed this would be the last time | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
he'd be staying in his beloved apartment. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
It was a very stressful time, the emotion of not knowing | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
whether I was going to be back in my own apartment again, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
the sentimental value of my mum having spent many holidays there. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
Two months later, Gary, as usual, received an annual | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
invoice for maintenance fees at the Palm Beach Club. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
But this bill was different. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Instead of it having my apartment number | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
and my weeks number on it, it just said "studio". | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
It had no apartment number, it had no weeks on that invoice. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
My feeling was that if I accepted and paid what I considered to be | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
an invalid invoice, then the committee would think, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
"Well, yeah, we've managed to get that apartment from them. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
"He's paid the invoice, therefore he accepts the invoice we've said." | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
So can the time-share company just change owners' contracts | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
part way through? Well, according to the terms and conditions | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
that Gary would have had to agree to when he inherited his time-share, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
the Palm Beach Club is entitled to amend part or all | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
of the committee's constitution at any time, as long as | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
any changes are voted upon and agreed by | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
a majority of the committee, which, in this case, they were. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
But international property lawyer Stefano Lucatello believes | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
that Gary could challenge the time-share company's decision | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
if he can prove that he and the other shareholders | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
have been treated unfairly by the committee. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
He has legitimately paid for something, signed up for something, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
used it as he should be using it | 0:08:54 | 0:08:55 | |
and then these rights are being taken away from him. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
But it seems Gary's situation isn't an isolated one. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
We've heard from other unhappy time-share owners, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
not just at the Palm Beach Club, who've found themselves in similar | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
situations with their previously fixed apartments and dates turned | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
into either floating weeks or points by the companies they're members of. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Meanwhile, Gary and several hundred other Palm Beach Club time-share | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
owners have formed a pressure group to challenge the decisions made. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
And one of them has gone to court to seek arbitration, hoping to prove | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
that the changes to the Palm Beach Club's constitution were unlawful. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Arbitration is now under way. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
But as this will be the first case of its kind, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
whether it will help Gary get his original apartment back | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
remains to be seen. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
When we contacted Silverpoint, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
in a joint response with the company that manages the resort, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
as well as the Palm Beach Club Committee, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
which voted through the decision, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
it told us that while the previous status quo had been enjoyed by | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
all parties, in common with other time-share resorts, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
difficult economic circumstances | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
had led to difficult decisions having to be made. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
And without these, the Club would most likely have had to be wound up. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
The companies said they've satisfactorily resolved | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
matters with other members who'd initially been unhappy | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
and that discussions will continue with Gary to find alternative | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
accommodation that suits him. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
If that isn't possible, resolution services will be offered. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
But they completely rejected any suggestion that there's been | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
a breach of contract, pointing out that | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
when Gary purchased his membership of the Palm Beach Club, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
this was always subject to the provisions of the constitution. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
And as changes to that constitution were made | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
in a properly conducted process, including an AGM, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
they are binding. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
But Gary, who considered his time-share | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
a part of his family's history, remains unconvinced. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
It's like someone saying, | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
"Well, I know you own that house but you can't live there any more." | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
That is as it felt to me. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
I think all of us agree that sometimes things have to change | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
and the holiday that you'd planned for, for whatever reason, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
is no longer feasible. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
But what happens if the change to your plans is a detail | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
that was fundamental to you choosing that holiday in the first place? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
Do you just have to grin and bear it or can you actually cancel? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
Well, the couple that we're about to meet feel that the last-minute | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
change to the itinerary of the cruise that they had booked | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
meant that they ended up with a holiday that they did not want. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
And, as you'll hear, the cruise company didn't agree. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Ever since the first holiday ocean liners set sail back in 1844, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
cruises have been the perfect way | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
to visit several destinations in one trip. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Often mixing the bright lights of the big city with relaxation | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
time on the beach, it's no wonder that every year upwards | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
of 1.5 million of us choose life on the ocean waves for our holiday. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Come on, then, shall we go for a walk? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
And it was the specific mix of destinations that attracted | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Sidney and Janet Foster from Edwinstowe | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
to the 16-day trip they booked with Celebrity Cruises. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
Janet saw this cruise advertised in the paper | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
and she said, "This is just the perfect cruise." | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
We hadn't been to New York | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and I wanted to go to Bermuda as well | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
and I just thought, "Well, that's lovely", | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and we more or less booked it straight away. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
The Broadway And Beaches cruise would set sail from Southampton | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
and head to New York, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
where it would stop off for two nights | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
before heading to the Caribbean island of Bermuda. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
And in November 2014, the couple excitedly arrived in Southampton | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
to board the ship. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
But just as they were checking in, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
they were given a letter saying their itinerary had changed. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
We were handed a sheet of paper saying, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
"We have to announce that we have made an important change to the | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
"itinerary of your cruise | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
"and Bermuda is now not on the cruise." | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
The letter explained that due to adverse weather conditions - | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
in other words, a storm - | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
the ship's course had to be modified. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Instead of Bermuda, which is a two-day, one-night stay, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
we are doing a seven-hour stop in Madeira | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
on the way across to New York. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Sidney and Janet weren't happy with the very different destination | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
that had been substituted | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
for the two days they'd been looking forward to on a Bermuda beach. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
So Sidney asked Celebrity Cruises if they could cancel the trip | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
and get their money back. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
But Sidney says the company refused. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
So, in fear of losing the £3,500 they'd paid, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
the couple felt they had no choice but to accept the alternative | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
itinerary on offer and go on the cruise. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
To drop that on you right at the last minute | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
is a bit sort of sharp practice. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
They put you in a position where they're not giving you what you've | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
paid for but they aren't giving you time to do anything about it. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
Despite the rocky start, the couple did enjoy their trip. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
But on their return, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
not going to the destination they'd wanted still rankled. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
So Sidney wrote to Celebrity Cruises to explain his frustration. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
I thought somebody somewhere must have known this change | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
was going to occur before we actually arrived at Southampton. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
But Celebrity Cruises said the couple wasn't entitled | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
to any compensation because, as far as it was concerned, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
the altered itinerary wasn't classed as a major change. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
If they were taking away one of the two major selling points | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
of the cruise, then surely that should have been | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
classed as a major change | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
and not a minor change. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Celebrity Cruises does state in its terms and conditions that it | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
has the right to omit or substitute any port on its itinerary. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
And indeed that this could happen at any | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
stage before or during the cruise thanks to a variety of reasons. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:24 | |
Many other cruise operators will say something similar. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
But, like the Fosters, Janet Mitchell hadn't realised | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
the full significance of that | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
when she booked her two-week cruise to the Caribbean in November 2014. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:38 | |
Janet, her partner Gerald and some of their friends chose the trip | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
with Thomson because there was one place in particular | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
that they'd always wanted to visit. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
I noticed that this particular one | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
had the island Antigua on it, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
and when we went on a cruise in 2011, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
that were the one island that I would've liked to have gone to. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
When the holiday came around, the group flew to Barbados, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
where their cruise, island-hopping around the Caribbean, would begin. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
We sailed on the Sunday from Barbados, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
called at various islands, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
and then on the Thursday we docked in St Kitts. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
And the next day, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
we should have been going to Antigua. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
But once back on the liner, ready to head to Antigua, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
the holiday-makers were informed a problem with the engine meant | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
they might not be going anywhere for a while. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
They told us they would do an announcement at ten o'clock, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
an announcement came saying that the ship still wasn't fit to sail. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
The problem with the engine meant | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
they'd be staying in St Kitts until it was fixed. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
And it was the next afternoon before the ship was finally ready to sail. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
But not to Antigua, the place where they'd been so keen to go. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
Instead it went straight onto the next destination, Dominica. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
It did put a dampener on it because of course we'd missed out Antigua, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
but then we thought, "OK, it's just one of those things, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
"I suppose, not happy with it but not a lot we can do about it." | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
Though they were frustrated, after that, as they headed on to Barbados, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
it did seem as if the cruise was getting back on schedule, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
albeit sailing slower and with that vital stop missed out. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
We thought we were back on track with the second week of the cruise | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
but then they announced, after the ship had sailed, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
that we wouldn't be going into the next island either. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Again the boat was changing course, this time missing out Grenada | 0:17:40 | 0:17:46 | |
and heading straight for Bonaire. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
Janet's 11-stop cruise had been cut back to nine. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
We couldn't understand it were happening again | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
because we thought once you were back in Barbados | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and back on track time-wise, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
there were no reason why it should happen. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
Janet knew there could be alterations to the itinerary | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
but she hadn't anticipated that might mean that islands | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
would be missed out altogether. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
I do understand that changes can be made | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
but I expect changes to be made for the better. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
I could see that my friends were a little bit upset about it all. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
It made me feel bad | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
because I'm responsible for booking the trip. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
On her return, Janet complained to Thomson, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
but, as with our previous case, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
was told she wasn't entitled to any refund. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
So is she right in thinking that that is unreasonable? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Travel expert Simon Calder says, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
in fact, where cruises are concerned, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
it can be par for the course. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Imagine if an ordinary holiday company changed your destination | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
and said, "Right, we're going to send you to somewhere else", | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
you'd be furious and you'd want some compensation. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Well, I'm afraid in the special case of cruises, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
it doesn't quite work like that. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Anything from political turmoil, to bad weather, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
to overcrowded harbours, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
can mean you don't end up where you hoped you would. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
I've been messed around royally on a number of cruises. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
I booked one specifically because I wanted to go | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
to the Scilly Isles and I ended up feeling pretty silly in Falmouth, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
where I'd been the year before. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
But when we contacted Thomson Cruises | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
about Janet's cruise, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
there was good news. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
While reiterating that the two missed ports were down to | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
technical issues and stressing that instances such as this | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
are very rare, the company said it was sorry to hear of her experience | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
and will now be refunding her a total of £1,000, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
equivalent to £200 per person. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
We also got in touch with Celebrity Cruises about Sidney and Janet's | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
case and it told us that during the cruise, | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
heavy weather and high seas | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
made it necessary for the ship to reduce its overall speed | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
to ensure the continued safety and comfort of both guests and crew. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
As a result, it was necessary to change the itinerary, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
and, while it sincerely regrets having to take this action, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
the company pointed out that | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
while there are many things it can control, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
unfortunately Mother Nature is not one of them. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
Even so, it has contacted Sidney and Janet to discuss their concerns. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:29 | |
But Sidney wants others to realise that steering a course | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
through your rights and entitlements | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
if the details of a cruise holiday change | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
may not be quite as straightforward as you think. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
If we'd known beforehand that the cruise wasn't going to Bermuda, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
we wouldn't have booked the cruise. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
To me and Janet, the money we spent on that cruise, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
which was upwards of £3,000, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
we didn't get value for money. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
They paid their money in advance | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
so why when both these men went to pick up their holiday hire cars | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
were they told they couldn't have them? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
I was absolutely stunned and devastated. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
There was no solution offered | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
and no suggestion. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
When you've very carefully selected a particular flight | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and booked and paid for your seat, well, it's not unreasonable | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
to think that you'll be on the plane that you expected to be. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
But that's not, I'm afraid, always the case. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
It may turn out that your flight is overbooked | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
and instead of taking off at the time you'd arranged, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
you may end up being bumped onto another flight altogether. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
But if that does happen, while airlines have to offer you | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
an alternative way of getting to your destination, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
it doesn't necessarily mean | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
that it's going to be directly comparable, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
or that the process will be as straightforward as you'd hoped. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Hopping on and off a plane to the Costa del Sol has become | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
second nature to Jill Upton. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Jill and her husband Mark have a property out there, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and together they've clocked up thousands and thousands of miles | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
visiting it as often as they can. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
We always book our flights online - one, for the convenience... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Obviously we can compare all the different airlines | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
and it's usually the easiest way to do it. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
In May 2015 the couple were due to fly out to Spain again | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
for an important meeting with their Spanish solicitor | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
and, just as they'd done countless times before, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
they expected to be able to check in for their easyJet flight online. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
But this time there was a problem. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
A message came that said there was a seat, 5C, for Mark, my husband, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:48 | |
but nothing on mine, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
and then the same message appeared again - | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
"it's not available, try again later or check in at the airport." | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
The couple decided to follow the on-screen advice | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
and check in the old-fashioned way, at the airport. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
We decided we'd wait and get to the airport in plenty of time, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
hoping there wouldn't be a problem. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
So, next morning, Jill and Mark arrived at Liverpool Airport, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
more than two hours before their plane was due to take off. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
I decided to go over to customer service. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
That's when the staff informed me that the flight had been overbooked | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
and that there was a seat for my husband but there wasn't one for me. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
The couple were dismayed and really frustrated. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
After all, they'd deliberately booked and paid for seats | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
on that particular flight, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
but they were now being told that only Mark could fly, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
meaning that Jill might miss that legal meeting in Spain. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I was really upset. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
It was really important that we were both on that flight that day. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Um, so I did start to worry at that point. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Jill and Mark were told that if one of the passengers | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
on the overbooked flight didn't turn up, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Jill could have their seat. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
There were four people who didn't arrive straight away | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
so they put a call out, and then, one by one, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
the four people turned up, so the flight was booked, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
it was full. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
With only one seat on the plane, the couple had to make a quick decision, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
either to stay in Liverpool together or Mark would fly to Spain alone. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
There was then a mad panic to try and force my husband | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
into making a decision whether he was to get on that flight, or not. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
I was obviously getting upset at that point so he just made | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
the decision that he wasn't getting on without me. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
But determined to get out to Spain that day, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Mark got on his phone immediately and started to look | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
for alternative flights. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
When he found one with a different airline, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
flying from not-too-far-away Manchester, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
he asked easyJet to get them both on it. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
We thought, "At least, then... | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
"That's great, we're there the same day." | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
So we then went back to the customer service and explained this | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
to the staff there who told us that wasn't an alternative | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
because the flights were £400 each | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
and we weren't prepared to pay that. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
easyJet told them that if Mark had got on the original flight, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
they might have paid for Jill | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
to take the alternative one from Manchester. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
But, as he hadn't, this was no longer an option. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
To make matters worse, because Mark had refused to fly to | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
Spain on his own, he wouldn't be entitled to any compensation. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Instead, easyJet had another option for the couple. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
We were told that the only alternative flight was | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
out of Southend the following day | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
and that they would then put us in a taxi there and then, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
put us up in a hotel overnight, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
and then we would fly from Southend the next day. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
With easyJet saying this was the only option, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
Jill and Mark felt they that had no choice | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
but to make the four-hour journey from Liverpool to Essex. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
It's a fair distance down to Southend, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
and it's frustrating knowing how many airports that are closer, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
that we virtually had to pass to get to Southend. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
It was exhausting. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
They eventually arrived in Spain 28 hours after the flight | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
they'd originally booked and paid for. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
We were only going over for six days initially, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
so, in effect, we lost two days of a six-day break. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
On their return, the couple complained to easyJet once more. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Jill was offered 400 euros compensation, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
but as Mark hadn't taken that original flight, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
the company again said that he wasn't entitled to anything. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Now, of course, experiences like these aren't confined | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
to just this couple or indeed to any one airline. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Former British tennis number one Annabel Croft made headlines | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
when her family's flight to Portugal was overbooked | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
and her daughter had to take a different flight | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
late the following night. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
And a quick look online throws up tales | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
from other disgruntled passengers who've booked with companies | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
right across the industry, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
only to find at check-in that the flight has been overbooked. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Known as "bumping", airlines often overbook flights to protect | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
their revenue if passengers, for example, don't turn up. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Usually they'll ask for volunteers, but if they don't get them, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
they'll choose people to take another flight. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
Simon Calder explains what actually SHOULD happen next. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
If you are denied boarding a flight, they've got to find you a seat | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
on an alternative flight as soon as possible, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
even if that means paying hundreds of pounds to another airline | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
to get you onboard. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
What's trickier is if you're travelling with someone else. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
In theory, the airline can say, "No, sorry, Mrs, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
"the fact that we've off-loaded your husband | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
"doesn't mean we have to pay YOU any compensation." | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
Even so, when we told Simon about Jill's case, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
he wasn't sure that on this occasion easyJet got it quite right. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
easyJet are not convincing me | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
that they made every effort to find volunteers not to fly, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
and, frankly, it's a pretty poor show from an airline | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
which in the last financial year was earning £19 a second. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
But when we got in touch with easyJet, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
it said its normal overbooking processes WERE followed, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
with appeals at the bag drop and the gate for volunteers | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
who would be willing to off-load in return for compensation | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
and indeed alternative travel arrangements. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
The airline apologised for any inconvenience but said that, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
with an overbooking rate of around 1%, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
but around 5% of passengers on average failing to show up | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
for a flight, it's "extremely rare for easyJet to deny boarding" | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
because of overbooking. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And the company reiterated that Jill WAS compensated. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
But for Jill and Mark, this isn't simply about the money. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
It's the inconvenience, it's the stress, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
it's upsetting. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
You wouldn't dream of arriving at a theatre or a football stadium | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
and they'd sold your ticket just in case you didn't show up. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
It doesn't happen in any other form of business | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and I don't understand why they think that this is reasonable. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Our travel expert Simon Calder | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
is sharing his top tips on favourite destinations across the globe. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
This time - Tenerife. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
The cheapest way to get around this perennially popular Canary Island | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
is on public transport | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
and Simon knows how you can make it an even better deal. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Bono! | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
No, not the well-known Irish rock superstar, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
but this very useful ticket. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
It gets you a 1/3 discount on cash fares on all the buses | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
and trams in Tenerife. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
What you do is you buy one for between 15 and 25 euros. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
Every time you get on the bus or the tram, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
you put it in the machine, and it will deduct the appropriate fare. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
What I particularly like about it is the way that you can use it | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
multiple times which means that the whole family can travel together. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
And, look, it will even tell you how much you've got left on the ride, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
which means, of course, you can plan future journeys. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
But watch out when you are out and about in the busier resorts, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
especially if you're spotted taking photographs. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Can I take a look at your camera, please? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Beware of shopkeepers who seem as keen as mustard | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
to give you advice on camera equipment. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
Once they've hooked you in, then you'll be pressured into buying | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
all kinds of expensive upgrades and unnecessary extras. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
Even the savviest of tourists have lost thousands of euros. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
So just keep on walking. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
Or instead of shopping, why not join in a taste of the local culture? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
There's a packed calendar of festivities year-round in Tenerife | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
and these centuries-old celebrations | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
take place in towns and villages right across the island. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
With live music, traditional costumes | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
and often samples of things to eat and drink for free, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
well, it would be rude not to, wouldn't it? | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
Salud! | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Now, when it comes to booking something online, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
I'm sure very few of us can put our hand on our heart | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
and say we really have ALWAYS read all those terms and conditions | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
that we so cheerfully click to say we accept. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
But while this next report is a real reminder of what can happen | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
if you aren't aware of a vital detail in all that small print, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
there's a lot more to the cases we're about to hear | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
than simply that. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
And you can understand why the people we've filmed with | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
have been left feeling pretty cheesed off. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Because although it's easy to say they should have taken more care | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
about what they were signing up to, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
in each case there was a fundamental reason why the bookings they made | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
should never have been accepted in the first place. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Two men separated by 62 years | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
and almost 200 miles with one thing in common. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
They've both been refused a hire car because of their age. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
Nathan Little from Poole is 18 years old | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
and, having passed his driving test the previous December, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
as summer 2015 approached, he and his friends, Harry and Charlie, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
began planning a road trip around France. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
We were planning on getting a car in France | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and driving around Normandy, really, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
and taking a road trip down to Paris for the weekend. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
It was just supposed to be like something we will remember | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
when we're older. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Nathan decided to see if he could hire a car in France, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
even though he'd only passed his test a few months earlier. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
I wasn't really sure I'd be able to get a hire car | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
because of my age and how recently I'd passed my test, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
but I was surprised to see Auto Europe offering me a hire car | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
with Europcar. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
All it stated was that the minimum driver's age was 18, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
so I thought, "Great!" | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
Auto Europe is a website that brings together prices | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
and offers from lots of different hire car companies. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Nathan saw that he'd need to pay a "young driver surcharge" | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
that everyone between the ages of 18 to 24 had to pay, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
but there certainly didn't seem to be anything stopping him | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
from going ahead with a booking. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
The driver's surcharge is just additional insurance | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
for younger drivers. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
You pay it before you pick up the car at the Europcar office. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
The surcharge of 36 euros a day | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
would more than double the £141 booking cost | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
but, to get on the road, the lads were happy to pay the extra. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Six weeks later, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
they found themselves in the Europcar office in Cherbourg. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
But when Nathan handed over his booking form and his ID, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
he was met with a reaction he didn't expect. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
The lady basically told me that we couldn't have the car | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
because I didn't have enough experience on my licence. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
And she just sent us out the door with no car. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
Nathan was told that anyone hiring a car with Europcar | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
must have held their licence for a minimum of 12 months | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
and he'd had his for seven. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
But that being the case, Nathan couldn't understand how it was | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
that his online booking had been accepted in the first place. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
After all, he had entered the date of birth, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
and agreed to that young person's surcharge. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Nowhere in that booking process has anything about experience | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
been highlighted to me. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:43 | |
It's not said that this might be an issue. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
Nathan does however admit he didn't read the terms and conditions. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
The terms and conditions aren't even on the booking page, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
you have to go to a separate link to read the terms and conditions. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
I just skipped through and clicked the box like most people do. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
If he had read the small print, Nathan would have discovered that | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Europcar's rule on needing 12 months' driving experience | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
was in fact trumped by the terms of his booking with Auto Europe, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
which stated that he must have held his licence for three years | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
to pick up the car. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
And yet the site still allows anyone as young as 18 to go through | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
the whole booking process, pay that young driver surcharge, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
and believe they've hired a car. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
The first thing you do on the Auto Europe website | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
is enter your age and I entered 18 and they had offered me car hire | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
which to me signalled that I'd be OK. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
In hindsight, I would've read the terms and conditions more carefully, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
but it's just habit to click accept the terms and conditions. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
And because it allowed him to complete his booking, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Nathan believes Auto Europe shares the responsibility | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
for what happened. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
They knew I was 18. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
I think that should've flagged up on their system that there's | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
a high chance I wouldn't have had the licence for three years, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
because, as a UK driving licence holder, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
it's impossible to have held your licence for three years at that age. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
Worse still, the fact that Auto Europe's rule WAS in the Ts and Cs | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
meant that Nathan wasn't entitled to a refund on the £141 cost | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
of the booking and the friends were forced to turn to public transport. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
We spent a lot more money than we'd thought | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
because we had to book the train to Paris, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
which was quite expensive, and we had to pay additional hotels | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
because we hadn't planned to be in Cherbourg for the night. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
So is Auto Europe alone in allowing someone | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
under the minimum age to book a car? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
Well, we compared Auto Europe's website booking process | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
with those of four other well-known car hire brokers. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
Not one of the ones we tested allows you to proceed with a booking | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
if you enter an age below their minimum age requirement. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
We also looked at the sites of the top five car hire companies. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
Hertz, Enterprise and Budget all make their age restrictions clear | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
during the booking process, although Budget does allow you | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
to proceed even if you don't meet the age requirements. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
But you could still get into a muddle on some other sites. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
On the Avis site, for example, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
there seemed to be conflicting information on what age | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
you need to be to hire a car. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
And Europcar will let you book a car on your 18th birthday, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
meaning you'd need to have passed your driving test | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
the very day you turned 17 | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
in order to get the full year of experience the company requires. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
But we also discovered that it's not just people new behind the wheel | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
who can fall foul of age restrictions when hiring a car. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
80-year-old Malcolm Lethbridge | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
has clocked up well over half a century of driving. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
I was 22 years old when I passed my test | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
and I still drive regularly every day. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
Malcolm and his wife Sandra have been travelling to the Greek island | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
of Kefalonia for the last ten years, and for the last five of those, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
Malcolm has hired a car with Europcar. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
This year, the couple paid £410.87 for two weeks' car hire, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:12 | |
but while he was booking, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Malcolm noticed something he'd not seen before. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
At 80, he was too old to hire a car in Greece with Europcar | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
and, in fact, he had been for the past five years. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
But because the site let him book this year's trip | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
and there'd been no issues on his previous ones | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
he didn't question it. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
I know people that will say, "Idiot, you're over 75, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
"you shouldn't have rented it," | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
but having rented it for the last five years, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
one would assume on that basis | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
that it is just small print that is put there but is ignored. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:49 | |
Well, it has certainly been for the last five years. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
But this time, when Malcolm and Sandra went to collect their car | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
after landing in Kefalonia, they were told they couldn't have it. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
I said, "Why?" | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
He said, "You're too old." | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
And I said, "Well, you've accepted my money | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
"and you've accepted my booking - | 0:39:08 | 0:39:09 | |
"how can you say that I can't have the car because I'm too old? | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
"It's been bought and paid for." | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
He said, "No, you can't have it." | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
After making little progress, Malcolm asked for a refund, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
hoping he could book with another hire company. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
He was told that simply wasn't possible. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
There was no solution offered, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
no suggestion whatever, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
and I was absolutely stunned and devastated. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
The couple took a taxi to their hotel, and, a few days later, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
they were able to hire a car with a local firm in Sandra's name. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
But they were still determined to get their £410 back from Europcar. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
And when they returned home, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Europcar DID give Malcolm a refund as a gesture of goodwill. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
When we contacted Europcar, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
it stressed that customers are required to read | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
and accept the terms and conditions during the booking process | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
and that these "clearly state the upper age limit" for Greece. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
The company also told us that Europcar Greece had advised Malcolm | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
the previous year that he would not be able to book | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
with the company again due to his age, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
something Malcolm emphatically denies. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
And when we asked Europcar about Nathan's booking, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
it couldn't comment as having booked through the website | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
of a different company, Auto Europe, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
he was bound by that company's terms and conditions. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
So we got in touch with Auto Europe, who explained that the reason | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
its site allows drivers to book cars in France from the age of 18, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
despite its own three-year minimum licence rule, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
is because in France it's possible to have a driver's licence | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
at the age of 15. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
It said the booking agent's decision not to allow Nathan to pick up | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
the car "probably seemed reasonable at the time", | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
given the company's Ts and Cs. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
But it agreed it "should not have allowed the booking" | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
to be processed from the UK in the first place | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
and said it will now change its terms and conditions | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
relating to UK bookings for rental in France, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
raising the minimum pick-up age to 20. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Even better, because of Nathan's "poor experience", Auto Europe says | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
it will be refunding the money he's paid in full. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
That's a good result. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
But whether you're 18 like Nathan or 80 like Malcolm, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
both men's stories show how vital it can be to thoroughly read | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
those terms and conditions before clicking to say you accept them. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
I've definitely learnt to read the terms and conditions | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
on everything you buy. I do it on pretty much everything now. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
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Well, I know I'd be absolutely hopping mad | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
if someone told me at the last minute my holiday had been changed. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
And it's no wonder really that the people we've heard from today | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
feel it's unfair that what they thought they'd booked and paid for | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
-wasn't what they got. -I think we'd all agree with that, Julia. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
And, you know, when it seems the goalposts have been moved | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
that is so frustrating. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
Especially if at the time you're already abroad | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
and perhaps having to struggle with a language barrier. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
That really makes things twice as hard to sort out. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
So I'm absolutely delighted that at least in some of those cases | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
we have been able to get things resolved, Gloria. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
After all, that's what we're here for. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
And, of course, we also want to give advice and information | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
so that you'll know what to do | 0:43:03 | 0:43:04 | |
if the same type of thing happens to you. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
I'm afraid that's where we have to leave it for this programme | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
but I do hope that if you're planning a trip anywhere soon, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
that we've been able to give you some tips to keep in mind | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
so that your holiday turns out exactly the way you'd planned it. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
-So from all of us here in Lanzarote, bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 |