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and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters. | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
It's a nightmare. Wake me up from it, please. | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
It was just a shambles, that's the best way to say it. | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
ANGELA: So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
JULIA: Your stories, your money, this is Rip Off Britain. | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
Hello and a huge welcome to Rip Off Britain where for this series we're | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
on the very sunny island of Tenerife and investigating a whole range of | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Ones that you've had while you've been on holiday. | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
One of the biggest gripes you write to us about is when you've had no | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
choice but to make a change of some sort, or even cancel your plans and | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
you've been hit with a big old charge for the privilege. | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
Now that can be the case whether you've made very simple mistakes, | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
say at the time of your booking, or at the other end of the scale, | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
if you can no longer actually go on holiday at all because someone very | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
ill and now needs urgent medical treatment. | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Now either way to get penalised, or worse still, to actually lose | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
the money that you've paid altogether, can seem not just harsh | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
So why is it so difficult to amend or cancel a holiday | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
without being hit by some kind of extra cost? | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
That's something you've been asking us for years | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
and now it seems that the regulators too are starting to question | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
the way we're treated if we need to change our holiday plans. | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
Let's see if your experiences can help make up their minds. | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
Coming up... Why even after the most devastating diagnosis, | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
you may not be able to cancel your holiday without losing your cash. | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
But could there be a way to fight back? | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
I couldn't understand why a company should behave like that to somebody | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
and traumatic stage of their life that they're going through. | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
They spotted a mistake with their flights just minutes after booking, | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
And at that point, I cannot tell you what I was thinking and feeling, | :02:15. | :02:31. | |
Now although we can sometimes bag a bargain at the very last minute, | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
often some of the best holiday deals can be found a long time in advance. | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
Indeed, it's not unheard of for some people to plan and pay for a | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
particular trip up to two years beforehand. | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
But, you know, a lot can happen in that time and all of life's great | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
long-awaited and hard saved for time away. | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
Of course, the trouble is that holidays aren't something | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
you can just get out of, cancel and then get your money back, | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
which can seem especially inflexible if there's still plenty of time for | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
the company you booked with to resell your seats, | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
An endless horizon, and the luxury of a modern cruise ship. | :03:17. | :03:27. | |
More of us than ever are choosing to take to the ocean waves with not far | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
off two million Brits going on a cruise in 2015. | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
And when many ships now boast casinos, health spas, | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
cruise ships are now floating cities of luxury and extravagance. | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
It was exactly that sort of indulgence that Harry and Kay Smith | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
when they booked flights to South Africa | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
what would be a holiday of a lifetime. | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
There were lots of reasons why they were desperate to get out there. | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
We'd lived in South Africa for 25 years before. | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
was recovering from a fairly severe spinal operation. | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
Last but not least, I had never seen our great-granddaughter. | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
Well, the couple booked their trip through a company called | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
It was to begin with flights to Johannesburg where they would | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
spend a few weeks with family before heading to Cape Town | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
to embark on that cruise to Venice. | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
All of that came with a big price tag. | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
but the couple felt that every penny was worth it. | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
The family, when we said we were coming out, | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
They were so excited and we were so looking forward to it. | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
We'd saved our money, we'd retired, | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
we wanted to have something to remember. | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
We'll never be able to afford this kind of money again. | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
But it was soon after they had booked and paid for the holiday | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
that Kay received some life-changing news from her doctor. | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
The tears rolled down my eyes and I thought, | :05:12. | :05:19. | |
"Oh, my God, I've got to tell my husband, | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
"I've got to phone him and tell him." | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
and I phoned him and I told him on the phone and he... | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
He just said, "Oh, God, not my baby, please, not my baby." | :05:33. | :05:41. | |
As you might imagine, it was devastating news | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
and while Kay hoped she might still be able to take her holiday, | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
it was immediately clear that that wouldn't be possible. | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
The consultant said, "If you've got anything planned, unplan it." | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
I said, "Can I not put the chemo off for a month or so until I come back | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
"we've just paid out all this money for this holiday of a lifetime, | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
"to South Africa to our family" and she said, "No, I'm sorry, | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
"you're not going to be able to get on a plane." | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
It was even more than a double blow, we couldn't spend time with my son, | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
who was emotionally and physically ill | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
and suffering and having to come to terms with major dramas | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
in his life, I couldn't be supportive of him. | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
As the trip was still a full three months away, | :06:32. | :06:43. | |
Harry immediately called Infinity Cruises, | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
He even sent medical evidence to prove the diagnosis. | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
and I just assumed that this was part of the | :06:54. | :07:00. | |
But Infinity Cruises told the couple that they wouldn't get back any of | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
Because in line with its terms and conditions, | :07:08. | :07:15. | |
it stated clearly that there are no refunds. | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
She said, "Have you read the small print, the terms and conditions?" | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
"Well, I'm sorry, it clearly states that if you cancel... | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
And I couldn't get my head round this. | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
..out of somebody's tragedy, I couldn't... | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
I couldn't envisage anybody doing this. | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
I couldn't understand why a company should behave like that to somebody | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
and traumatic stage of their life that they're going through. | :07:46. | :07:53. | |
Infinity Cruises told Harry that the only way to get his money back would | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
be to make a claim on his travel insurance. | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
But Harry, of course, hadn't yet taken a policy out. | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
He'd planned to do that nearer the trip. | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
So in a desperate bid not to lose his cash, | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
he suggested that a family member could take the trip in their place, | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
but the company said the holiday was not transferable. | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
We could have brought family from South Africa | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
and gave them a trip of a lifetime if we could have changed the names. | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
Harry and Kay believed that the company would easily be able to | :08:23. | :08:37. | |
resell the holiday and therefore wouldn't lose any money, | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
but Infinity Cruises was not prepared to budge. | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
I said to them, "What happens if you resell them? | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
"This is immoral. How do you sleep at night? | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
Infinity says that once a holiday is cancelled, | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
the various elements are sent back to the suppliers and therefore, | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
the company itself does incur cancellation costs | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
and it was reiterated that the staff who dealt with Harry | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
were sticking to the company's terms and conditions. | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
But Harry firmly believes he didn't receive those terms | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
and conditions until after he had paid and although the company | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
has made it clear that the terms and conditions are available to view | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
Harry didn't look at these at the time of booking. | :09:26. | :09:32. | |
But it's not at all unusual for travel companies to refuse | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
to refund the cost of a holiday that's been cancelled, | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
even when that's because of ill-health, | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
or some other life-changing event. | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
That is usually stated very clearly in the terms and conditions and the | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
reason, of course, is that if the company can't resell the trip | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
in whatever time is available, it could end up out of pocket. | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
But Harry and Kay aren't the only people to get in touch saying they | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
considered such a hard line stance a little too inflexible. | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
Plenty more of you have been in touch, | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
unhappy that after being forced to cancel a holiday for similarly | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
Jane from Pontypridd, for example, | :10:10. | :10:19. | |
she cancelled a family holiday to Benidorm after her father died. | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
It was six weeks before the scheduled departure | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
but the company she had booked with | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
would only refund ?208.50 of the ?694 she paid. | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
Gaynor and her friend Sylvia had to call off the trip they'd booked to | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
Mexico when Sylvia sadly had a stroke. | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
They were told they couldn't move the dates and were entitled | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Now Gaynor did claim her money back on her insurance, but again, | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
Meanwhile Nicky Oliver from Arbroath booked a family holiday to Lanzarote | :10:49. | :10:59. | |
She too was denied any of the ?800 she'd paid for the trip, | :11:00. | :11:09. | |
even though they cancelled three months in advance. | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
Now in all these cases it would seem the only way to avoid being left out | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
of pocket would be to have had insurance in place to give | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
protection for exactly this kind of situation. | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
But what really rankles with the people we've spoken to | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
is that they all feel there probably was enough time for their holiday | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
which, as far as they're concerned, means it should have been possible | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
As any loss to the holiday company would be negligible. | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
And solicitor Gary Rycroft agrees with them. | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
If a holiday company sells on your cruise, or your flight, | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
or your hotel room, they are mitigating their loss. | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
They could be recovering two sets of money, | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
money from you and money from the person they sell your cruise, | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
Now it's not fair if they keep both sets of money, | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
I think that could be legal sharp practice. | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
What's more, Gary believes that holiday companies should | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
keep in mind the revised Consumer Rights Act of 2015 | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
which updated the laws around the terms and conditions | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
of most types of consumer contracts. | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 also makes it clear that unfair contract | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
Now it could be argued that it is an unfair contract term if the holiday | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
company is allowed to keep all of your money if you have to cancel the | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
contract through no fault of their own | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
and they then go on and resell the holiday to someone else | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
and keep all of the money from the second person as well. | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
That is inherently unfair and not reasonable. | :12:45. | :12:46. | |
Of course, proving that a holiday company has treated you unfairly | :12:47. | :12:58. | |
These days, because booking online has become so simple, we've become | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
used to organising our holiday travel 24-7. Which is fine when | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
everything goes to plan, but it may not be so good if you've got a query | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
or problem that has to be sorted out there and then - as there was for | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
the family we're about to meet in our next film, who urgently needed | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
to speak to someone as soon as possible. In their case, it turned | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
out that every second really did count, and not being able to get a | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
response ended up costing them far more than they could have ever | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
imagined... Mary Mutimer is used | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
to doing things in a hurry With four children, | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
her work as a paramedic and a husband who is in the same | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
unpredictable job, she could always do with more hours | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
in the day than there actually are. just keeping everything going is | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
really difficult at times and for So, organising a family holiday to | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
Orlando where her eldest daughter | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
Gemma was studying, seemed set to provide a welcome | :14:06. | :14:07. | |
opportunity to press pause for a while and spend some time | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
relaxing. And in January, 2016, Mary started | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
hunting online for the best deal. When you do a search, | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
lots of companies come up. Some of them I had heard of and some | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
of them I hadn't heard of. One of those companies she hadn't | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
heard of was Omegaflightstore, a well-established online travel | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
agent which has been offering flights on many international routes | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
for 20 years. With the price quoted for all five | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
return flights to Orlando coming in at ?2,045, more than ?350 under | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
their budget, At that time, I'll be honest, | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
adrenaline was pumping, because I thought I had found a | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
really good deal, this is it, we're going on this dream holiday, | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
everything seemed to be going fine, found this fantastic price that | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
fitted in with budget, Mary hadn't wasted a second booking | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
the flights and at 17:58, she got confirmation | :15:02. | :15:10. | |
that payment had been taken. I was feeling so superchuffed with | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
myself because I had found this bargain deal that was at least | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
50% cheaper than what a lot of | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
people had been telling me that I would have to pay | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
for a family of five. So, it was a case of crack the | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
champagne out, toast all round, I was feeling really pleased with | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
myself and excited that we were going to be going on | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
this holiday of a lifetime. But the celebrations came to an | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
abrupt halt, just a couple of minutes | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
after they had begun. My oldest son, Jacob, | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
he was like, "Mum," and I thought something is terribly | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
wrong here, what could it be? And that's when he announced to me | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
that the flights I had just booked clashed with the exams that he had | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
told me were in June, However, I thought, | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
"Well, that's OK, "I will just call them back and I | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
will just change the flights." But all she got through to was a | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
recorded message. because I truly believed that it | :16:05. | :16:18. | |
would be something that I could just sort out. | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
were open at nine o'clock the next morning and I thought, | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
"That's OK, "I will just give them a ring | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
in the morning." Mary booked the following morning | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
off work to sort it all out she was straight on the phone to | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
Omegaflightstore. When I explained to Omega flights | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
what had happened, and that I had booked at literally | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
two minutes to six and then their office was shut and I needed to | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
change the dates, "Yes, no problem, that will be | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
absolutely fine. "Let's see what we could do." | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
I thought this is going well. Having checked the terms and | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
conditions on the company's website to be charged a ?30 per person admin | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
fee to change the flight details. But she wasn't ready for what | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
she was told instead. So simply he said to me, | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
"That will be ?900 to change." And at that point, I cannot tell you | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
what I was thinking and feeling, "I booked these at two minutes to | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
six, your office was shut." But the operator was adamant that | :17:22. | :17:30. | |
Mary had missed the deadline by which the details could be | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
changed for that ?30 per person fee. And as a result, the cost had | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
rocketed. He started to talk at me some facts | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
and figures about well, if you had changed by midnight, | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
it would have been OK. I said, "Well, your office was shut | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
at six o'clock, I couldn't do that. But Omegaflightstore would not | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
budge, insisting the only way she could | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
change the flights was by paying that | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
further ?900. They said, this ?900, was ?180 | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
per person, ?30 that they were charging for the | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
detail change, name change, flight change, and ?150 per person | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
which was some flight void cancellation charge, | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
which was nowhere on their website at the time that | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
I had seen the day before. Mary says Omegaflightstore told | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
her that the ?900 was for fees charged by the airlines, but when | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
she contacted both Delta and Virgin, the companies with whom | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
she was due to fly, they told her that wasn't the case | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
and in fact, if she had booked directly with | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
either of them, she would have had a 24-hour cooling | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
off period during which she would have been able to cancel or change | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
her flight free of charge! So, if the charges weren't being | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
made by the airline, Mary couldn't understand what on | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
earth they were for! "Sorry, madam, it's not the case, | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
this is procedure, that we were saying, | :18:58. | :19:06. | |
"I've just spoken to Virgin, "they have told us that they do not | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
impose this ?150 per person charge, With their pleas falling on deaf | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
ears, Mary and Paul felt they had no | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
choice but to pay the extra fees, after scraping the money together | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
with help from relatives. We borrowed the money | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
off Paul's parents, And whilst, of course, the family | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
was still thrilled to be going away, the unexpected extra cost rather | :19:35. | :19:43. | |
took the shine off it all. It made me not even want to go on | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
the holiday. So I e-mailed them the next day, | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
a formal complaint. Now in the US, there is special | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
legislation in place to protect consumers from falling | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
foul of what can be confusing cancellation | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
and amendment policies. The rules there say that any | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
American airline, or indeed any flight | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
departing from the US, must either offer a 24-hour hold | :20:09. | :20:10. | |
guaranteeing your fare before purchase, or a 24-hour | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
risk-free cancellation entitling the But here in the UK, consumers | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
have no such protection. And as a result, different airlines | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
have different policies and charges, if you want to make an immediate | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
change to a booking. For example, BA and Virgin both have | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
a 24-hour cooling off period, allowing flights to be cancelled, | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
or rebooked. Although Virgin advises that if the | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
flight was booked through an agent, it's the agent that should be | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
contacted for a refund. Thomas Cook doesn't operate a | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
24-hour grace period and its charges for flight changes | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
range from ?35 to ?50 per person. But that's a long way from the | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
?150 per person Rip Off Britain regular and Trading | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
Standards Officer Sylvia Rook thinks that although | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
Omegaflightstore is entitled whether or not that's fair | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
is another matter. The difference between two minutes | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
and one day and the beginning of the If the airline says 24 hours, | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
that's a 24-hour period, then there shouldn't be a charge if | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
the airline doesn't impose one. There can still be the | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
administration charge for the company to do all the paperwork and | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
that's fair enough, but certainly ?900 for the sake of | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
two minutes does seem ridiculous. Omega certainly should not have | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
charged her the extra fee. But when we spoke to | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
Omegaflightstore, it insisted it acted in line | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
with fair rules, telling us that by the time Mary | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
spoke to the company, it was already too late to avoid | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
incurring a charge, because their 24-hour cooling off | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
period applies from a minute past midnight to a minute to midnight, | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
the same day of purchase, rather than 24 hours | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
across two days. It says the need to get changes made | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
by six o'clock the same day Omega goes on to say it does not | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
compromise its customer satisfaction And while it says a negotiation with | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
Delta resulted in the airline agreeing to cancel the flights | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
for a full refund, Mary preferred to change the date | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
rather than cancel altogether, so the company had no choice but to | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
apply the rules of charging ?150 per person, plus a | :22:28. | :22:30. | |
?30 administration fee. She regrets being swayed by what was | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
initially a lower price, but that ultimately ended up costing | :22:39. | :22:47. | |
a lot more than if she had booked which wouldn't have charged her | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
for correcting her mistake. I have never dealt with a company | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
like that before and we're a modern-day family that | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
buy on the internet, book things | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
through search sites, just absolutely shocking | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
in this day and age, it seems backwards to me | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
that an office shuts at 6pm. There are a lot of companies now | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
that are 24/7 and you can speak to them, | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
you know, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
all year round. It's ridiculous. A man who wasn't prepared to take | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
no for an answer when his holiday By operating their scheme | :23:18. | :23:32. | |
telling people, you're bound by our terms | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
and conditions, you've got to forfeit the money | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
you've paid, smacks of profiteering, out of somebody else's | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
personal calamity. Our travel expert, | :23:46. | :23:54. | |
Simon Calder, has all the secrets to | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
save you money on your travels. He's full of tips on everything | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
from how to avoid the crowds to the best way to steer clear of | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
those tourist traps. This time, Simon's exploring the | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
Greek islands. Greece, acquired civilisation, | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
centuries before we did in Britain and it's still a highly civilised | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
place to go on holiday. If you're after the simple pleasures | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
of travel and enjoy shimmering blue Simon says Greece definitely | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
delivers. I first went island hopping in | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
Greece 40 years ago, and I've been exploring the mainland | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
and islands ever since. After four decades of tireless | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
research, If you're after history as well as | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
hedonism then Simon recommends you focus on the three most popular | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
islands - Crete, Corfu and Rhodes. On Crete, the largest Greek island | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
of all, a local bus from the capital | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
Heraklion will take you to Knossos, the power base of the Minoan | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
civilisation. Corfu is closer to Britain and cheap | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
to reach, with plenty of low-cost, But far away from beach resorts like | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
Kavos, you can find unspoiled coast and | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
countryside. And finally, Rhodes was transformed | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
by the Knights of St John, whose palace of the grandmasters | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
dominates the old town. consider a cut-price alternative to | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
the beachfront hotel. Rent a room in town and use that as | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
a base for exploring the rest of the island by cheap and | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
cheerful public transport. For a picture perfect taste of the | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
Greek islands, Simon reckons Kos is a must see, | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
with so much more than just beaches. There you can find cottages rising | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
from the quayside to a pretty white church, with a hilly hinterland | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
draped in pine. Or go one step beyond Kos itself, | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
take a ferry to nearby Patmos, where the reward is a pace of life | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
turned down a couple of notches. And the final slice of Greece | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
Simon recommends is its capital. To supercharge your Greek | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
experience, The Greek capital was handsomely | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
transformed for the Olympics in 2004 and is now one of my favourite | :26:11. | :26:17. | |
European cities - the very definition of ancient | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
and modern. Earlier in the programme we looked | :26:22. | :26:29. | |
at just how tricky it can be to get your money back for a holiday you | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
have to cancel. And the pain of that is made even | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
worse if the company you booked with is able to go ahead and sell your | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
place to someone else, while you are left seriously | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
out of pocket. Well, it seems it's not just the | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
people who have contacted us With regulators now issuing some | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
very strong criticism of the way the whole cancellation process is | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
handled could the tide, at last, Harry and Kay Smith from Bolton had | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
planned the trip of a lifetime, then taking a cruise from | :27:00. | :27:08. | |
Johannesburg to Venice. But they had to cancel when Kay was | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
diagnosed with cancer, and the company they booked with, | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
Infinity Cruises, said that in line with its terms and | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
conditions, they couldn't have any of their | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
money back. I couldn't understand why a company | :27:25. | :27:26. | |
should behave like that to somebody and traumatic stage of their life | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
that they're going through. Well, something very similar | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
happened to this man, Rip Off Britain viewer | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
John Cartwright from Rutland. So, when he was told | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
he wouldn't get a refund, it wasn't something | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
he was prepared to accept. John had booked a trip to Hong Kong | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
with travel company Hayes Jarvis, He'd paid a ?1,178 deposit for the | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
flights but then, due to a serious heart problem, | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
he was unable to fly. My doctor said that in view | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
of the surgery, I should not be taking a nine-hour | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
long haul flight So he said, "Well, you'll have to | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
cancel your holiday". But when John called the travel | :28:19. | :28:33. | |
company to do just that, the company said he wouldn't be able to get a | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
refunding, pointing to its terms and conditions. | :28:38. | :28:38. | |
Saying they had enough time to refund them to someone else. | :28:39. | :28:48. | |
In my case, the tour operator had at least four months' notice before | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
departure, so had plenty of time to resell the flights. | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
And the hotelier probably found somebody else to sleep | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
John used his legal expertise to fight the travel firm | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
He referred to an Office of Fair Trading report from 2004, | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
which says that if a customer cancels a trip, | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
With no fear about arguing his position in court, | :29:11. | :29:22. | |
John demanded that Hayes Jarvis disclose exactly what it had lost | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
John demanded the travel company disclose exactly what it had lost in | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
his case in the small claims court. In the end, that didn't prove | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
necessary, as the travel company sent him a refund, minus its lost. I | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
felt vindicated, but I also felt angry because, by operating their | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
scheme of telling people "You're bound by our terms and conditions, | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
you've got to forfeit the money you've paid" smacks of profiteering | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
out of somebody else's personal calamity. The travel company told us | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
that high cancellation charges are usually imposed by suppliers, but | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
are calculated so that they represent a genuine pre-estimate of | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
the overall loss to the business. However, it does recognise that, | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
from time to time, these costs are not a true reflection, and it's | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
since introduced a more flexible approach to cancellations | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
surrounding unforeseen circumstances. It said, in John's | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
case, after being successful in getting money back from its | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
suppliers, it was able to offer him a suitable refund. But the company | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
went on to say that most customers cancelling on medical grounds would | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
seek a refund through their travel insurance. | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
But for those of us without John's legal expertise, | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
including Harry and Kay, this kind of battle isn't that easy, | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
nor is it always clear where to turn next. | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
So John has agreed to look at Harry and Kay's case, | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
If you remember, Harry and Kay paid almost ?4,300 for a holiday they had | :30:54. | :31:02. | |
to cancel three months before they were scheduled to leave. | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
But John believes that, as in his case, | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
the company they booked with had plenty of time to resell their trip | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
to someone else. So, as far as he's concerned, | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
the couple have a strong argument for getting back a good chunk | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
of their money, minus any administrative costs, of course. | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
I understand that you asked Infinity Travel what their losses, if any, | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
amounted to, resulting from your cancellation? | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
Well, what I said to them, John, was that | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
I don't mind paying any reasonable costs incurred by the company, | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
and I would expect to pay for administration costs, etc. | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
A cancellation fee. Yeah, so I have no problem with that whatsoever, | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
but please advise then what they are and what we can expect to receive. | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
All I got basically, again, was, refer to our terms and conditions, | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
you're not entitled to anything, and go away, really. | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
That was the sort of attitude, you know? | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
For John, a crucial factor in Harry and Kay's case lies in exactly when | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
the couple were made aware that if they cancelled their trip, | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
for whatever reason, they wouldn't be entitled to any refund. | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
You paid the money before you ever had a chance to see the terms | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Well, if that is right, that's a very good start to your situation, | :32:22. | :32:30. | |
sale. It's no good taking money off somebody and then telling you, | :32:31. | :32:44. | |
because they've already got your money. Yeah. | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
And though the terms and conditions are available on the company's | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
Harry is adamant that the fact that the cruise was non-refundable wasn't | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
made explicitly clear to him as he handed over his money, | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
John's opinion is that Harry and Kay have a very strong case. | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
convinced that you will win your case and not only win the case, | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
but you should get a big chunk of your money back. | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
John, thank you very much, it's greatly appreciated. A pleasure. | :33:16. | :33:28. | |
You've given us a lot of food for thought and a way forward. | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
Well, it seems John's not alone in arguing that some travel companies | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
may not always treat customers who cancel fairly. | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
to stop companies profiting from non-refundable deposits on goods | :33:42. | :33:50. | |
And it's warned that companies who continue to breach consumer rights | :33:51. | :33:58. | |
in this area could face action, including fines. | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
But when we put Harry and Kay's case to Infinity Cruises, | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
the company told us that though it sincerely apologises for the added | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
anxiety this situation may have produced, | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
it's acted entirely within the allowed constraints | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
of the holiday and cancellation process. | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
It accepts, however, that more could have been done to help the couple | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
try and recoup the cost of their holiday. | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
Going on to explain that while the air fares had been | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
paid in full and were non-refundable, | :34:30. | :34:30. | |
the company had as yet only paid its supplier a deposit | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
for the cruise element of the holiday. | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
As such, it is able to give the couple a partial refund of ?1,634 | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
along with an additional ?115 as a goodwill gesture. | :34:41. | :34:49. | |
That's a huge step in the right direction for Harry and Kay, | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
If we have to go through the small claims court, then so be it. | :34:54. | :35:06. | |
and we've given this company every opportunity to treat us fairly. | :35:07. | :35:16. | |
So if we have to go to the court, then that's what we'll do. | :35:17. | :35:25. | |
Well, we'll let you know what happens next and, in the meantime, | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
if you've found yourself in a similar position to Harry and Kay, | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
then there's more information about how you might be able to pursue | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
Welcome to our Rip Off Britain pop-up shop. | :35:35. | :35:48. | |
You know, throughout the year we get hundreds of letters and e-mails from | :35:49. | :35:57. | |
in particular at our pop-up shop is constantly kept busy. | :35:58. | :36:12. | |
and here in the Trafford Centre this year has been no exception. | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
Well, of course, there's very little our Simon doesn't know when it comes | :36:19. | :36:24. | |
to foreign travel and one of the complaints he just keeps on hearing | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
is about the sky-high cost of going away during school holidays. | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
If we go on holiday during half term, | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
the price seems to escalate rather quickly. | :36:38. | :36:39. | |
I did a search just before, for instance, | :36:40. | :36:41. | |
and I'm going on holiday next year in February, we're going to Austria. | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
To book four flights today it's like ?3,000 for four flights, | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
Yes. And you obviously have a problem with this? | :36:51. | :37:01. | |
Of course I do. I just think it's profiteering off families, | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
and the fact that we're stuck to times when we have to go, | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
because we don't want to take our children out, | :37:11. | :37:13. | |
because we want the best for our children, | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
so we want to make sure they stay in education for all they can, | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
not even for a day, because even taking the kids out | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
OK, and I can hear in homes all across Britain people saying, | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
Those flights you were saying, ?1,200 the week before, | :37:30. | :37:40. | |
But at ?1,200 they're losing money on it. | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
?3,000, they're making it back in spades, | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
but that keeps the whole show on the road. | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
And it looks as though those hugely inflated prices during peak season | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
are here to stay, despite the many complaints and even a petition | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
being handed in to Number 10 demanding change. | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
But our seasoned traveller Simon knows ways to beat the system. | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
take advantage of the fact that in Scotland school holidays | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
and you'll find that flights from Edinburgh and Glasgow, | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
at times when English schools are on holiday but Scottish schools | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
are not, they offer much better value. | :38:21. | :38:22. | |
Sure, it's a three or four hour drive and all the extra petrol | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
Well, we looked into the price of flights to Barcelona from Scotland | :38:27. | :38:34. | |
during term time, and compared them to flights leaving England | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
at the same time, when the schools there are on holiday. | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
We found some of the Scottish flights were as much | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
which, for a family of four, adds up to a huge saving. | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
And Simon has another money-saving trick up his sleeve. | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
OK, fantastic. So have a look at going straight after school, | :38:52. | :39:03. | |
be waiting at the school gates on the last day of term with the engine | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
running, get yourself across to Liverpool John Lennon Airport, | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
get on a flight then. Quite often you'll find that a Friday | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
Some of the flights were ?70 cheaper, | :39:14. | :39:26. | |
And Simon's final tip would be to fly home from an airport | :39:27. | :39:34. | |
It's slightly more hassle, but there can be big savings. | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
Just looking last October half term, flights to and from Alicante were, | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
coming home, something like ?300 one-way. | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
But if you hop on a train which takes two hours and costs about ?30 | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
to Madrid, suddenly flights galore for 50 quid. | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
So that's the way to do it, just come up with an alternative. | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
Just think smart with your choice of airport and destination. | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
Good. Thank you very much for your time. | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
But anger over the way prices rocket out of term time | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
It's just a constant nightmare for a family of five. | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
so you're actually penalised for having children who are in school. | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
As parents, we're put under so much pressure to either work harder | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
I feel that I can pay three or four times more to go away at that time | :40:30. | :40:36. | |
It's just ridiculous and I think something needs to be done about it. | :40:37. | :40:54. | |
If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate, | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
then get in touch with us via our Facebook page, | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
our website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain, | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
Or, if you want to send us a letter, then our new address is... | :41:07. | :41:26. | |
Well, the question of refunds on a holiday booking is one that we know | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
a lot of you feel very strongly about. | :41:31. | :41:32. | |
And you've made it crystal clear in your e-mails and letters | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
Now obviously we do appreciate that there is usually some cost involved | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
in either amending or cancelling a booking, but it's very easy, | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
I think, to understand why so many people feel that to lose | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
even when the company has then gone on and been able to resell it | :41:51. | :41:58. | |
to someone else, does not feel entirely fair. | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
And I have to say, I agree with them. | :42:01. | :42:02. | |
I'd call it profiting from misfortune, possibly. | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
Well, let's see if that's what the regulator ends up thinking, too. | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
so we hope you never need to cancel any of your holiday plans | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
and that everything goes without a hitch. | :42:14. | :42:15. | |
And remember, if it doesn't, you know what to do, | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
We'll see you again very soon, but until then, from all of us, goodbye. | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
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