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and you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters.

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It's a nightmare. Wake me up from it, please.

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It was just a shambles, that's the best way to say it.

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ANGELA: So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off,

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a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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JULIA: Your stories, your money, this is Rip Off Britain.

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Hello and a huge welcome to Rip Off Britain where for this series we're

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on the very sunny island of Tenerife and investigating a whole range of

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Ones that you've had while you've been on holiday.

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One of the biggest gripes you write to us about is when you've had no

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choice but to make a change of some sort, or even cancel your plans and

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you've been hit with a big old charge for the privilege.

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Now that can be the case whether you've made very simple mistakes,

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say at the time of your booking, or at the other end of the scale,

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if you can no longer actually go on holiday at all because someone very

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ill and now needs urgent medical treatment.

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Now either way to get penalised, or worse still, to actually lose

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the money that you've paid altogether, can seem not just harsh

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So why is it so difficult to amend or cancel a holiday

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without being hit by some kind of extra cost?

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That's something you've been asking us for years

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and now it seems that the regulators too are starting to question

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the way we're treated if we need to change our holiday plans.

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Let's see if your experiences can help make up their minds.

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Coming up... Why even after the most devastating diagnosis,

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you may not be able to cancel your holiday without losing your cash.

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But could there be a way to fight back?

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I couldn't understand why a company should behave like that to somebody

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and traumatic stage of their life that they're going through.

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They spotted a mistake with their flights just minutes after booking,

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And at that point, I cannot tell you what I was thinking and feeling,

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Now although we can sometimes bag a bargain at the very last minute,

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often some of the best holiday deals can be found a long time in advance.

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Indeed, it's not unheard of for some people to plan and pay for a

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particular trip up to two years beforehand.

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But, you know, a lot can happen in that time and all of life's great

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long-awaited and hard saved for time away.

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Of course, the trouble is that holidays aren't something

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you can just get out of, cancel and then get your money back,

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which can seem especially inflexible if there's still plenty of time for

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the company you booked with to resell your seats,

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An endless horizon, and the luxury of a modern cruise ship.

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More of us than ever are choosing to take to the ocean waves with not far

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off two million Brits going on a cruise in 2015.

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And when many ships now boast casinos, health spas,

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cruise ships are now floating cities of luxury and extravagance.

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It was exactly that sort of indulgence that Harry and Kay Smith

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when they booked flights to South Africa

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what would be a holiday of a lifetime.

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There were lots of reasons why they were desperate to get out there.

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We'd lived in South Africa for 25 years before.

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was recovering from a fairly severe spinal operation.

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Last but not least, I had never seen our great-granddaughter.

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Well, the couple booked their trip through a company called

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It was to begin with flights to Johannesburg where they would

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spend a few weeks with family before heading to Cape Town

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to embark on that cruise to Venice.

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All of that came with a big price tag.

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but the couple felt that every penny was worth it.

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The family, when we said we were coming out,

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They were so excited and we were so looking forward to it.

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We'd saved our money, we'd retired,

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we wanted to have something to remember.

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We'll never be able to afford this kind of money again.

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But it was soon after they had booked and paid for the holiday

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that Kay received some life-changing news from her doctor.

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The tears rolled down my eyes and I thought,

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"Oh, my God, I've got to tell my husband,

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"I've got to phone him and tell him."

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and I phoned him and I told him on the phone and he...

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He just said, "Oh, God, not my baby, please, not my baby."

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As you might imagine, it was devastating news

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and while Kay hoped she might still be able to take her holiday,

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it was immediately clear that that wouldn't be possible.

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The consultant said, "If you've got anything planned, unplan it."

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I said, "Can I not put the chemo off for a month or so until I come back

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"we've just paid out all this money for this holiday of a lifetime,

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"to South Africa to our family" and she said, "No, I'm sorry,

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"you're not going to be able to get on a plane."

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It was even more than a double blow, we couldn't spend time with my son,

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who was emotionally and physically ill

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and suffering and having to come to terms with major dramas

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in his life, I couldn't be supportive of him.

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As the trip was still a full three months away,

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Harry immediately called Infinity Cruises,

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He even sent medical evidence to prove the diagnosis.

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and I just assumed that this was part of the

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But Infinity Cruises told the couple that they wouldn't get back any of

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Because in line with its terms and conditions,

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it stated clearly that there are no refunds.

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She said, "Have you read the small print, the terms and conditions?"

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"Well, I'm sorry, it clearly states that if you cancel...

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And I couldn't get my head round this.

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..out of somebody's tragedy, I couldn't...

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I couldn't envisage anybody doing this.

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I couldn't understand why a company should behave like that to somebody

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and traumatic stage of their life that they're going through.

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Infinity Cruises told Harry that the only way to get his money back would

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be to make a claim on his travel insurance.

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But Harry, of course, hadn't yet taken a policy out.

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He'd planned to do that nearer the trip.

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So in a desperate bid not to lose his cash,

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he suggested that a family member could take the trip in their place,

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but the company said the holiday was not transferable.

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We could have brought family from South Africa

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and gave them a trip of a lifetime if we could have changed the names.

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Harry and Kay believed that the company would easily be able to

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resell the holiday and therefore wouldn't lose any money,

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but Infinity Cruises was not prepared to budge.

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I said to them, "What happens if you resell them?

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"This is immoral. How do you sleep at night?

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Infinity says that once a holiday is cancelled,

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the various elements are sent back to the suppliers and therefore,

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the company itself does incur cancellation costs

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and it was reiterated that the staff who dealt with Harry

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were sticking to the company's terms and conditions.

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But Harry firmly believes he didn't receive those terms

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and conditions until after he had paid and although the company

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has made it clear that the terms and conditions are available to view

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Harry didn't look at these at the time of booking.

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But it's not at all unusual for travel companies to refuse

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to refund the cost of a holiday that's been cancelled,

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even when that's because of ill-health,

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or some other life-changing event.

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That is usually stated very clearly in the terms and conditions and the

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reason, of course, is that if the company can't resell the trip

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in whatever time is available, it could end up out of pocket.

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But Harry and Kay aren't the only people to get in touch saying they

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considered such a hard line stance a little too inflexible.

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Plenty more of you have been in touch,

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unhappy that after being forced to cancel a holiday for similarly

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Jane from Pontypridd, for example,

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she cancelled a family holiday to Benidorm after her father died.

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It was six weeks before the scheduled departure

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but the company she had booked with

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would only refund ?208.50 of the ?694 she paid.

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Gaynor and her friend Sylvia had to call off the trip they'd booked to

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Mexico when Sylvia sadly had a stroke.

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They were told they couldn't move the dates and were entitled

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Now Gaynor did claim her money back on her insurance, but again,

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Meanwhile Nicky Oliver from Arbroath booked a family holiday to Lanzarote

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She too was denied any of the ?800 she'd paid for the trip,

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even though they cancelled three months in advance.

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Now in all these cases it would seem the only way to avoid being left out

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of pocket would be to have had insurance in place to give

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protection for exactly this kind of situation.

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But what really rankles with the people we've spoken to

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is that they all feel there probably was enough time for their holiday

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which, as far as they're concerned, means it should have been possible

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As any loss to the holiday company would be negligible.

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And solicitor Gary Rycroft agrees with them.

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If a holiday company sells on your cruise, or your flight,

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or your hotel room, they are mitigating their loss.

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They could be recovering two sets of money,

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money from you and money from the person they sell your cruise,

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Now it's not fair if they keep both sets of money,

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I think that could be legal sharp practice.

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What's more, Gary believes that holiday companies should

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keep in mind the revised Consumer Rights Act of 2015

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which updated the laws around the terms and conditions

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of most types of consumer contracts.

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The Consumer Rights Act 2015 also makes it clear that unfair contract

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Now it could be argued that it is an unfair contract term if the holiday

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company is allowed to keep all of your money if you have to cancel the

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contract through no fault of their own

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and they then go on and resell the holiday to someone else

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and keep all of the money from the second person as well.

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That is inherently unfair and not reasonable.

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Of course, proving that a holiday company has treated you unfairly

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These days, because booking online has become so simple, we've become

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used to organising our holiday travel 24-7. Which is fine when

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everything goes to plan, but it may not be so good if you've got a query

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or problem that has to be sorted out there and then - as there was for

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the family we're about to meet in our next film, who urgently needed

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to speak to someone as soon as possible. In their case, it turned

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out that every second really did count, and not being able to get a

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response ended up costing them far more than they could have ever

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imagined... Mary Mutimer is used

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to doing things in a hurry With four children,

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her work as a paramedic and a husband who is in the same

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unpredictable job, she could always do with more hours

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in the day than there actually are. just keeping everything going is

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really difficult at times and for So, organising a family holiday to

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Orlando where her eldest daughter

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Gemma was studying, seemed set to provide a welcome

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opportunity to press pause for a while and spend some time

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relaxing. And in January, 2016, Mary started

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hunting online for the best deal. When you do a search,

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lots of companies come up. Some of them I had heard of and some

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of them I hadn't heard of. One of those companies she hadn't

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heard of was Omegaflightstore, a well-established online travel

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agent which has been offering flights on many international routes

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for 20 years. With the price quoted for all five

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return flights to Orlando coming in at ?2,045, more than ?350 under

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their budget, At that time, I'll be honest,

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adrenaline was pumping, because I thought I had found a

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really good deal, this is it, we're going on this dream holiday,

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everything seemed to be going fine, found this fantastic price that

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fitted in with budget, Mary hadn't wasted a second booking

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the flights and at 17:58, she got confirmation

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that payment had been taken. I was feeling so superchuffed with

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myself because I had found this bargain deal that was at least

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50% cheaper than what a lot of

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people had been telling me that I would have to pay

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for a family of five. So, it was a case of crack the

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champagne out, toast all round, I was feeling really pleased with

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myself and excited that we were going to be going on

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this holiday of a lifetime. But the celebrations came to an

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abrupt halt, just a couple of minutes

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after they had begun. My oldest son, Jacob,

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he was like, "Mum," and I thought something is terribly

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wrong here, what could it be? And that's when he announced to me

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that the flights I had just booked clashed with the exams that he had

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told me were in June, However, I thought,

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"Well, that's OK, "I will just call them back and I

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will just change the flights." But all she got through to was a

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recorded message. because I truly believed that it

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would be something that I could just sort out.

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were open at nine o'clock the next morning and I thought,

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"That's OK, "I will just give them a ring

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in the morning." Mary booked the following morning

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off work to sort it all out she was straight on the phone to

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Omegaflightstore. When I explained to Omega flights

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what had happened, and that I had booked at literally

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two minutes to six and then their office was shut and I needed to

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change the dates, "Yes, no problem, that will be

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absolutely fine. "Let's see what we could do."

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I thought this is going well. Having checked the terms and

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conditions on the company's website to be charged a ?30 per person admin

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fee to change the flight details. But she wasn't ready for what

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she was told instead. So simply he said to me,

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"That will be ?900 to change." And at that point, I cannot tell you

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what I was thinking and feeling, "I booked these at two minutes to

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six, your office was shut." But the operator was adamant that

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Mary had missed the deadline by which the details could be

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changed for that ?30 per person fee. And as a result, the cost had

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rocketed. He started to talk at me some facts

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and figures about well, if you had changed by midnight,

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it would have been OK. I said, "Well, your office was shut

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at six o'clock, I couldn't do that. But Omegaflightstore would not

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budge, insisting the only way she could

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change the flights was by paying that

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further ?900. They said, this ?900, was ?180

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per person, ?30 that they were charging for the

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detail change, name change, flight change, and ?150 per person

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which was some flight void cancellation charge,

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which was nowhere on their website at the time that

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I had seen the day before. Mary says Omegaflightstore told

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her that the ?900 was for fees charged by the airlines, but when

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she contacted both Delta and Virgin, the companies with whom

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she was due to fly, they told her that wasn't the case

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and in fact, if she had booked directly with

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either of them, she would have had a 24-hour cooling

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off period during which she would have been able to cancel or change

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her flight free of charge! So, if the charges weren't being

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made by the airline, Mary couldn't understand what on

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earth they were for! "Sorry, madam, it's not the case,

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this is procedure, that we were saying,

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"I've just spoken to Virgin, "they have told us that they do not

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impose this ?150 per person charge, With their pleas falling on deaf

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ears, Mary and Paul felt they had no

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choice but to pay the extra fees, after scraping the money together

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with help from relatives. We borrowed the money

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off Paul's parents, And whilst, of course, the family

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was still thrilled to be going away, the unexpected extra cost rather

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took the shine off it all. It made me not even want to go on

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the holiday. So I e-mailed them the next day,

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a formal complaint. Now in the US, there is special

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legislation in place to protect consumers from falling

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foul of what can be confusing cancellation

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and amendment policies. The rules there say that any

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American airline, or indeed any flight

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departing from the US, must either offer a 24-hour hold

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guaranteeing your fare before purchase, or a 24-hour

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risk-free cancellation entitling the But here in the UK, consumers

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have no such protection. And as a result, different airlines

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have different policies and charges, if you want to make an immediate

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change to a booking. For example, BA and Virgin both have

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a 24-hour cooling off period, allowing flights to be cancelled,

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or rebooked. Although Virgin advises that if the

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flight was booked through an agent, it's the agent that should be

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contacted for a refund. Thomas Cook doesn't operate a

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24-hour grace period and its charges for flight changes

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range from ?35 to ?50 per person. But that's a long way from the

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?150 per person Rip Off Britain regular and Trading

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Standards Officer Sylvia Rook thinks that although

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Omegaflightstore is entitled whether or not that's fair

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is another matter. The difference between two minutes

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and one day and the beginning of the If the airline says 24 hours,

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that's a 24-hour period, then there shouldn't be a charge if

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the airline doesn't impose one. There can still be the

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administration charge for the company to do all the paperwork and

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that's fair enough, but certainly ?900 for the sake of

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two minutes does seem ridiculous. Omega certainly should not have

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charged her the extra fee. But when we spoke to

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Omegaflightstore, it insisted it acted in line

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with fair rules, telling us that by the time Mary

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spoke to the company, it was already too late to avoid

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incurring a charge, because their 24-hour cooling off

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period applies from a minute past midnight to a minute to midnight,

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the same day of purchase, rather than 24 hours

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across two days. It says the need to get changes made

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by six o'clock the same day Omega goes on to say it does not

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compromise its customer satisfaction And while it says a negotiation with

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Delta resulted in the airline agreeing to cancel the flights

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for a full refund, Mary preferred to change the date

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rather than cancel altogether, so the company had no choice but to

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apply the rules of charging ?150 per person, plus a

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?30 administration fee. She regrets being swayed by what was

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initially a lower price, but that ultimately ended up costing

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a lot more than if she had booked which wouldn't have charged her

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for correcting her mistake. I have never dealt with a company

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like that before and we're a modern-day family that

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buy on the internet, book things

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through search sites, just absolutely shocking

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in this day and age, it seems backwards to me

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that an office shuts at 6pm. There are a lot of companies now

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that are 24/7 and you can speak to them,

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you know, 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

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all year round. It's ridiculous. A man who wasn't prepared to take

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no for an answer when his holiday By operating their scheme

:23:18.:23:32.

telling people, you're bound by our terms

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and conditions, you've got to forfeit the money

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you've paid, smacks of profiteering, out of somebody else's

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personal calamity. Our travel expert,

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Simon Calder, has all the secrets to

:23:55.:23:56.

save you money on your travels. He's full of tips on everything

:23:57.:23:59.

from how to avoid the crowds to the best way to steer clear of

:24:00.:24:02.

those tourist traps. This time, Simon's exploring the

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Greek islands. Greece, acquired civilisation,

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centuries before we did in Britain and it's still a highly civilised

:24:12.:24:15.

place to go on holiday. If you're after the simple pleasures

:24:16.:24:19.

of travel and enjoy shimmering blue Simon says Greece definitely

:24:20.:24:23.

delivers. I first went island hopping in

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Greece 40 years ago, and I've been exploring the mainland

:24:31.:24:33.

and islands ever since. After four decades of tireless

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research, If you're after history as well as

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hedonism then Simon recommends you focus on the three most popular

:24:43.:24:50.

islands - Crete, Corfu and Rhodes. On Crete, the largest Greek island

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of all, a local bus from the capital

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Heraklion will take you to Knossos, the power base of the Minoan

:24:58.:25:01.

civilisation. Corfu is closer to Britain and cheap

:25:02.:25:04.

to reach, with plenty of low-cost, But far away from beach resorts like

:25:05.:25:08.

Kavos, you can find unspoiled coast and

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countryside. And finally, Rhodes was transformed

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by the Knights of St John, whose palace of the grandmasters

:25:18.:25:21.

dominates the old town. consider a cut-price alternative to

:25:22.:25:25.

the beachfront hotel. Rent a room in town and use that as

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a base for exploring the rest of the island by cheap and

:25:31.:25:35.

cheerful public transport. For a picture perfect taste of the

:25:36.:25:39.

Greek islands, Simon reckons Kos is a must see,

:25:40.:25:42.

with so much more than just beaches. There you can find cottages rising

:25:43.:25:46.

from the quayside to a pretty white church, with a hilly hinterland

:25:47.:25:50.

draped in pine. Or go one step beyond Kos itself,

:25:51.:25:54.

take a ferry to nearby Patmos, where the reward is a pace of life

:25:55.:25:57.

turned down a couple of notches. And the final slice of Greece

:25:58.:26:02.

Simon recommends is its capital. To supercharge your Greek

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experience, The Greek capital was handsomely

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transformed for the Olympics in 2004 and is now one of my favourite

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European cities - the very definition of ancient

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and modern. Earlier in the programme we looked

:26:22.:26:29.

at just how tricky it can be to get your money back for a holiday you

:26:30.:26:33.

have to cancel. And the pain of that is made even

:26:34.:26:36.

worse if the company you booked with is able to go ahead and sell your

:26:37.:26:40.

place to someone else, while you are left seriously

:26:41.:26:43.

out of pocket. Well, it seems it's not just the

:26:44.:26:47.

people who have contacted us With regulators now issuing some

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very strong criticism of the way the whole cancellation process is

:26:51.:26:55.

handled could the tide, at last, Harry and Kay Smith from Bolton had

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planned the trip of a lifetime, then taking a cruise from

:27:00.:27:08.

Johannesburg to Venice. But they had to cancel when Kay was

:27:09.:27:14.

diagnosed with cancer, and the company they booked with,

:27:15.:27:18.

Infinity Cruises, said that in line with its terms and

:27:19.:27:20.

conditions, they couldn't have any of their

:27:21.:27:24.

money back. I couldn't understand why a company

:27:25.:27:26.

should behave like that to somebody and traumatic stage of their life

:27:27.:27:30.

that they're going through. Well, something very similar

:27:31.:27:38.

happened to this man, Rip Off Britain viewer

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John Cartwright from Rutland. So, when he was told

:27:42.:27:44.

he wouldn't get a refund, it wasn't something

:27:45.:27:52.

he was prepared to accept. John had booked a trip to Hong Kong

:27:53.:27:56.

with travel company Hayes Jarvis, He'd paid a ?1,178 deposit for the

:27:57.:28:01.

flights but then, due to a serious heart problem,

:28:02.:28:04.

he was unable to fly. My doctor said that in view

:28:05.:28:08.

of the surgery, I should not be taking a nine-hour

:28:09.:28:13.

long haul flight So he said, "Well, you'll have to

:28:14.:28:18.

cancel your holiday". But when John called the travel

:28:19.:28:33.

company to do just that, the company said he wouldn't be able to get a

:28:34.:28:37.

refunding, pointing to its terms and conditions.

:28:38.:28:38.

Saying they had enough time to refund them to someone else.

:28:39.:28:48.

In my case, the tour operator had at least four months' notice before

:28:49.:28:52.

departure, so had plenty of time to resell the flights.

:28:53.:28:55.

And the hotelier probably found somebody else to sleep

:28:56.:28:57.

John used his legal expertise to fight the travel firm

:28:58.:29:01.

He referred to an Office of Fair Trading report from 2004,

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which says that if a customer cancels a trip,

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With no fear about arguing his position in court,

:29:11.:29:22.

John demanded that Hayes Jarvis disclose exactly what it had lost

:29:23.:29:29.

John demanded the travel company disclose exactly what it had lost in

:29:30.:29:35.

his case in the small claims court. In the end, that didn't prove

:29:36.:29:38.

necessary, as the travel company sent him a refund, minus its lost. I

:29:39.:29:43.

felt vindicated, but I also felt angry because, by operating their

:29:44.:29:46.

scheme of telling people "You're bound by our terms and conditions,

:29:47.:29:50.

you've got to forfeit the money you've paid" smacks of profiteering

:29:51.:29:54.

out of somebody else's personal calamity. The travel company told us

:29:55.:30:00.

that high cancellation charges are usually imposed by suppliers, but

:30:01.:30:04.

are calculated so that they represent a genuine pre-estimate of

:30:05.:30:09.

the overall loss to the business. However, it does recognise that,

:30:10.:30:13.

from time to time, these costs are not a true reflection, and it's

:30:14.:30:18.

since introduced a more flexible approach to cancellations

:30:19.:30:20.

surrounding unforeseen circumstances. It said, in John's

:30:21.:30:24.

case, after being successful in getting money back from its

:30:25.:30:27.

suppliers, it was able to offer him a suitable refund. But the company

:30:28.:30:31.

went on to say that most customers cancelling on medical grounds would

:30:32.:30:35.

seek a refund through their travel insurance.

:30:36.:30:41.

But for those of us without John's legal expertise,

:30:42.:30:44.

including Harry and Kay, this kind of battle isn't that easy,

:30:45.:30:47.

nor is it always clear where to turn next.

:30:48.:30:50.

So John has agreed to look at Harry and Kay's case,

:30:51.:30:53.

If you remember, Harry and Kay paid almost ?4,300 for a holiday they had

:30:54.:31:02.

to cancel three months before they were scheduled to leave.

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But John believes that, as in his case,

:31:08.:31:10.

the company they booked with had plenty of time to resell their trip

:31:11.:31:14.

to someone else. So, as far as he's concerned,

:31:15.:31:16.

the couple have a strong argument for getting back a good chunk

:31:17.:31:19.

of their money, minus any administrative costs, of course.

:31:20.:31:26.

I understand that you asked Infinity Travel what their losses, if any,

:31:27.:31:31.

amounted to, resulting from your cancellation?

:31:32.:31:34.

Well, what I said to them, John, was that

:31:35.:31:37.

I don't mind paying any reasonable costs incurred by the company,

:31:38.:31:42.

and I would expect to pay for administration costs, etc.

:31:43.:31:47.

A cancellation fee. Yeah, so I have no problem with that whatsoever,

:31:48.:31:50.

but please advise then what they are and what we can expect to receive.

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All I got basically, again, was, refer to our terms and conditions,

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you're not entitled to anything, and go away, really.

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That was the sort of attitude, you know?

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For John, a crucial factor in Harry and Kay's case lies in exactly when

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the couple were made aware that if they cancelled their trip,

:32:10.:32:12.

for whatever reason, they wouldn't be entitled to any refund.

:32:13.:32:17.

You paid the money before you ever had a chance to see the terms

:32:18.:32:21.

Well, if that is right, that's a very good start to your situation,

:32:22.:32:30.

sale. It's no good taking money off somebody and then telling you,

:32:31.:32:44.

because they've already got your money. Yeah.

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And though the terms and conditions are available on the company's

:32:52.:32:54.

Harry is adamant that the fact that the cruise was non-refundable wasn't

:32:55.:32:59.

made explicitly clear to him as he handed over his money,

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John's opinion is that Harry and Kay have a very strong case.

:33:04.:33:07.

convinced that you will win your case and not only win the case,

:33:08.:33:12.

but you should get a big chunk of your money back.

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John, thank you very much, it's greatly appreciated. A pleasure.

:33:16.:33:28.

You've given us a lot of food for thought and a way forward.

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Well, it seems John's not alone in arguing that some travel companies

:33:32.:33:38.

may not always treat customers who cancel fairly.

:33:39.:33:41.

to stop companies profiting from non-refundable deposits on goods

:33:42.:33:50.

And it's warned that companies who continue to breach consumer rights

:33:51.:33:58.

in this area could face action, including fines.

:33:59.:34:05.

But when we put Harry and Kay's case to Infinity Cruises,

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the company told us that though it sincerely apologises for the added

:34:09.:34:12.

anxiety this situation may have produced,

:34:13.:34:14.

it's acted entirely within the allowed constraints

:34:15.:34:16.

of the holiday and cancellation process.

:34:17.:34:20.

It accepts, however, that more could have been done to help the couple

:34:21.:34:23.

try and recoup the cost of their holiday.

:34:24.:34:25.

Going on to explain that while the air fares had been

:34:26.:34:29.

paid in full and were non-refundable,

:34:30.:34:30.

the company had as yet only paid its supplier a deposit

:34:31.:34:33.

for the cruise element of the holiday.

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As such, it is able to give the couple a partial refund of ?1,634

:34:36.:34:40.

along with an additional ?115 as a goodwill gesture.

:34:41.:34:49.

That's a huge step in the right direction for Harry and Kay,

:34:50.:34:53.

If we have to go through the small claims court, then so be it.

:34:54.:35:06.

and we've given this company every opportunity to treat us fairly.

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So if we have to go to the court, then that's what we'll do.

:35:17.:35:25.

Well, we'll let you know what happens next and, in the meantime,

:35:26.:35:28.

if you've found yourself in a similar position to Harry and Kay,

:35:29.:35:31.

then there's more information about how you might be able to pursue

:35:32.:35:34.

Welcome to our Rip Off Britain pop-up shop.

:35:35.:35:48.

You know, throughout the year we get hundreds of letters and e-mails from

:35:49.:35:57.

in particular at our pop-up shop is constantly kept busy.

:35:58.:36:12.

and here in the Trafford Centre this year has been no exception.

:36:13.:36:18.

Well, of course, there's very little our Simon doesn't know when it comes

:36:19.:36:24.

to foreign travel and one of the complaints he just keeps on hearing

:36:25.:36:27.

is about the sky-high cost of going away during school holidays.

:36:28.:36:32.

If we go on holiday during half term,

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the price seems to escalate rather quickly.

:36:38.:36:39.

I did a search just before, for instance,

:36:40.:36:41.

and I'm going on holiday next year in February, we're going to Austria.

:36:42.:36:45.

To book four flights today it's like ?3,000 for four flights,

:36:46.:36:50.

Yes. And you obviously have a problem with this?

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Of course I do. I just think it's profiteering off families,

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and the fact that we're stuck to times when we have to go,

:37:06.:37:10.

because we don't want to take our children out,

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because we want the best for our children,

:37:14.:37:15.

so we want to make sure they stay in education for all they can,

:37:16.:37:19.

not even for a day, because even taking the kids out

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OK, and I can hear in homes all across Britain people saying,

:37:23.:37:29.

Those flights you were saying, ?1,200 the week before,

:37:30.:37:40.

But at ?1,200 they're losing money on it.

:37:41.:37:44.

?3,000, they're making it back in spades,

:37:45.:37:46.

but that keeps the whole show on the road.

:37:47.:37:49.

And it looks as though those hugely inflated prices during peak season

:37:50.:37:53.

are here to stay, despite the many complaints and even a petition

:37:54.:37:57.

being handed in to Number 10 demanding change.

:37:58.:38:00.

But our seasoned traveller Simon knows ways to beat the system.

:38:01.:38:03.

take advantage of the fact that in Scotland school holidays

:38:04.:38:08.

and you'll find that flights from Edinburgh and Glasgow,

:38:09.:38:13.

at times when English schools are on holiday but Scottish schools

:38:14.:38:20.

are not, they offer much better value.

:38:21.:38:22.

Sure, it's a three or four hour drive and all the extra petrol

:38:23.:38:26.

Well, we looked into the price of flights to Barcelona from Scotland

:38:27.:38:34.

during term time, and compared them to flights leaving England

:38:35.:38:37.

at the same time, when the schools there are on holiday.

:38:38.:38:40.

We found some of the Scottish flights were as much

:38:41.:38:43.

which, for a family of four, adds up to a huge saving.

:38:44.:38:48.

And Simon has another money-saving trick up his sleeve.

:38:49.:38:51.

OK, fantastic. So have a look at going straight after school,

:38:52.:39:03.

be waiting at the school gates on the last day of term with the engine

:39:04.:39:07.

running, get yourself across to Liverpool John Lennon Airport,

:39:08.:39:10.

get on a flight then. Quite often you'll find that a Friday

:39:11.:39:13.

Some of the flights were ?70 cheaper,

:39:14.:39:26.

And Simon's final tip would be to fly home from an airport

:39:27.:39:34.

It's slightly more hassle, but there can be big savings.

:39:35.:39:39.

Just looking last October half term, flights to and from Alicante were,

:39:40.:39:43.

coming home, something like ?300 one-way.

:39:44.:39:46.

But if you hop on a train which takes two hours and costs about ?30

:39:47.:39:51.

to Madrid, suddenly flights galore for 50 quid.

:39:52.:39:54.

So that's the way to do it, just come up with an alternative.

:39:55.:39:58.

Just think smart with your choice of airport and destination.

:39:59.:40:00.

Good. Thank you very much for your time.

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But anger over the way prices rocket out of term time

:40:09.:40:11.

It's just a constant nightmare for a family of five.

:40:12.:40:18.

so you're actually penalised for having children who are in school.

:40:19.:40:25.

As parents, we're put under so much pressure to either work harder

:40:26.:40:29.

I feel that I can pay three or four times more to go away at that time

:40:30.:40:36.

It's just ridiculous and I think something needs to be done about it.

:40:37.:40:54.

If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate,

:40:55.:40:56.

then get in touch with us via our Facebook page,

:40:57.:40:59.

our website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain,

:41:00.:41:06.

Or, if you want to send us a letter, then our new address is...

:41:07.:41:26.

Well, the question of refunds on a holiday booking is one that we know

:41:27.:41:30.

a lot of you feel very strongly about.

:41:31.:41:32.

And you've made it crystal clear in your e-mails and letters

:41:33.:41:35.

Now obviously we do appreciate that there is usually some cost involved

:41:36.:41:43.

in either amending or cancelling a booking, but it's very easy,

:41:44.:41:46.

I think, to understand why so many people feel that to lose

:41:47.:41:50.

even when the company has then gone on and been able to resell it

:41:51.:41:58.

to someone else, does not feel entirely fair.

:41:59.:42:00.

And I have to say, I agree with them.

:42:01.:42:02.

I'd call it profiting from misfortune, possibly.

:42:03.:42:04.

Well, let's see if that's what the regulator ends up thinking, too.

:42:05.:42:07.

so we hope you never need to cancel any of your holiday plans

:42:08.:42:13.

and that everything goes without a hitch.

:42:14.:42:15.

And remember, if it doesn't, you know what to do,

:42:16.:42:17.

We'll see you again very soon, but until then, from all of us, goodbye.

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