Episode 5 Rip Off Britain

We asked you, who has left you feeling ripped off

when it comes to your holidays?

And you came back with a catalogue of travel disasters.

A holiday is supposed to be a time of relaxing,

not a time of more stress,

and certainly not a time of stress whilst you're away.

It's just annoying that you think, "What next?

"What are they going to put a charge on next?"

So, whether it is a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake,

or a catch in the small print,

we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

Your stories, your money.

This is Rip-Off Britain.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Rip-Off Britain

from the island of Tenerife,

where we're investigating what's gone wrong with your holidays.

Well, like millions of people every year,

we, of course, flew to get here,

but we know from all your e-mails and letters

that it isn't always plain sailing when you take to the skies.

Anything but, in fact.

Today, we're going to be hearing some really very good reasons

why even the most seasoned travellers amongst us

can, from time to time, get into a bit of a flap about flying.

And, of course, that means we're going to have

everything you need to know to make sure that the same problems

aren't going to happen to you.

So, whether you've fallen foul of an airline's particular policies,

or perhaps you just hate the idea of being 35,000 feet up in the air,

we'll have some useful advice for you,

so the next time you're on a flight,

your mood and your temper can at least stay firmly grounded.

Coming up, vital travel documents you may never have known you needed.

But if you don't have them, you won't be going anywhere.

The lady behind the reception desk just said,

"You're not going to be allowed to travel,"

and my whole world fell apart.

And a last-ditch attempt to cure a long held fear of flying,

but does it really work?

I just need to get on to the plane now,

cos we've now been talking about it since this morning.

I just need to go and do it now.

For the moment at least, travelling within the EU

remains quite straightforward,

and your passport will usually be enough

to get you through the borders of all 28 countries.

But the more miles you venture away from the UK,

the more paperwork you're likely to need,

and checking what visa you're likely to require

is an essential part of planning any long-haul trip.

Even so, having the right piece of paper may only be a part

of what's required, as the people we're about to meet found out.

Not being up to date with the rules and regulations

left them in a race against time to avoid missing a holiday completely.

Florida has long been one of the go-to destinations for Brits,

with the UK consistently one of the three countries

sending most holiday-makers to the Sunshine State every year.

And Vic Ryan and his family couldn't wait for their trip there

to finally come around.

We'd been working really, really hard at work,

and we were just looking for some downtime.

We were booking all the tickets for Disney,

we had a little countdown on our phone,

and it was just getting away from uni and work and everything.

Vic had booked and paid Thomson Holidays almost £4,000

for the holiday over seven months before the family was due to depart,

and, keen to make sure that all he had to do

was to look forward to the trip itself,

he'd also ensured that all the necessary paperwork was in order,

checking the passports were up-to-date,

and that he'd got the obligatory ESTA approval

that you need to enter the US.

I'm not one of these sort of people

that leaves things to the last minute.

I want to make sure that I've got everything in place

so that it's ready, and I can just then relax

and think about the holiday.

So, weeks later, with everything seemingly in place,

the family set off for the airport to check in.

But despite all those months of planning,

there was an unwelcome surprise when they arrived at the desk.

Finally our turn to get to the check-in,

and walked up to the desk, had all four passports in our hand,

with the booking form,

and the lady behind the reception desk took one look at my passport

and she said, "You're not going to be allowed to travel,"

and my whole world fell apart.

It seemed that Vic had fallen foul of a new rule

that he hadn't even been aware of.

Although his passport was still in date,

with plenty of months to run, it was missing one vital feature.

It did not contain a biometric chip and, without one,

it could no longer get him into America.

I thought it was a joke, I really did.

You know, I started laughing - I said, "You cannot be serious."

But I'm afraid this was no laughing matter.

Four weeks earlier, on the 1st of April 2016,

the US Department of Homeland Security had brought into force

a new rule stating that only passports

containing one of these biometric chips would be accepted,

because they're considered harder to forge

and a much more secure way of monitoring

who is entering and leaving the country.

But having known nothing of that,

Vic was now faced with a very difficult choice.

I was just an utter wreck,

I had so many things going through my mind about, you know,

"What are we going to do?"

You know, "Are they going to go?

"Am I going to have to sort things out my end?

"Do they go without me? Do we all stay at home?"

I was like, "Dad has to go. Like, he has to."

And I just didn't believe that it was happening

and I just, like, started crying.

Vic decided he had no other option but to wave his family goodbye

and try and join them later on the holiday

IF he could sort out a new passport.

Just to see my wife and my daughter in tears was...

..really upsetting.

Determined to salvage at least some of his holiday,

as soon as it was open, Vic drove to the Passport Office in London,

where, after securing an emergency appointment,

he was able to get a brand-new biometric passport.

But by the time he'd done so and sorted out a new flight,

it ended up costing him not just an extra £500,

but also the first four days of his holiday.

I tried to make the most of it,

but it was always on the back of my mind just what had happened,

and no matter how much I tried,

it was always going to be a ruined holiday

and it's always going to be remembered

for all the wrong reasons.

Once back in the UK, when the whole experience had sunk in,

Vic felt that such a change to the rules affecting entry to the US

should have been brought to his attention

by the company that he'd booked with, Thomson.

And, after all, it does post alerts and updates

about things such as Zika.

Thomson's, to my mind, have been culpable,

because they've not put any press releases on their website,

they've not e-mailed me about it, I've had no notifications from them

to notify me of any changes in the passport control.

All I kept getting back was, "It's the traveller's responsibility

"to check all of their documentation is in place,"

and I'd done that already.

Well, Thomson reiterated that advice when we got in touch,

adding that, in line with the official entry guidelines

set out by the American government,

it does ask during and after the booking process

that all customers read about and obtain relevant documentation

directly from the country to which they're travelling.

It also said that once it became aware

that some passengers may be affected by the new rules,

it did add a mention of the change to its website.

In any case, travel expert Simon Calder

completely agrees with the company's position on this one.

There's a very straightforward answer

to where the responsibility lies for having the right travel documents,

and that is with you, the passenger.

It's not the airline's responsibility,

it's not the travel agent's responsibility.

Now, all passports currently in use should be biometric,

and poor Vic was amongst the final group of people

to still have an old-style one that wasn't.

But although that particular problem won't happen to you,

there might still be other new rules or essential paperwork

that could scupper your trip in the same way.

Cindy Schwartz wrote to us about one that caused her a problem

after planning a trip to South Africa.

Like Vic, Cindy thought that she had all the paperwork that she needed

to visit her parents, who were looking forward

to seeing their granddaughters, Holly and Hope.

I was eager for my family to meet Hope.

Holly was beside herself because she was going to see Mia,

who is her cousin, and I hadn't seen my sisters in three years.

Cindy had booked her flight with Emirates,

and she checked on the airline's website

to see which documents she might need for the children to travel.

There was one change from previous trips,

but nothing that wasn't easily sorted.

They did specify, Emirates, when I booked,

that you needed an unabridged birth certificate,

which I didn't need three years earlier.

The departure date arrived, and Cindy's partner, Rob,

who wasn't coming on the trip,

drove the rest of the family to the airport.

But, as in Vic's case, check-in just didn't go to plan.

The check-in person disappeared, came back with a supervisor,

who asked for a document I had never heard of.

Turned out to be a PCA, which is a Parental Consent Affidavit,

and they said, "Because their father's not flying with you,

"you can't fly alone without the PCA,"

and that's where the nightmare started.

Cindy was told that, in June 2015, the South African government

had introduced the Parental Consent Affidavit

to combat child trafficking.

It requires children travelling with only one parent

to have written consent from the other in order for them to fly.

But, at the time she'd booked,

Cindy hadn't seen anything on the Emirates website

suggesting a need for the affidavit, and by now it was too late.

I said, "We didn't see anything on the website."

They then replied and said, "It was your responsibility to check,

"you should have checked before you flew, it's not our responsibility."

I said, "Well, you've told us about the..."

-Unabridged birth certificate.

-"..unabridged birth certificate,

"but you haven't told us about this new requirement for an affidavit."

A-boo!

And it made no difference that the children's father, Rob,

was standing right next to them, saying it was OK for them to fly.

The family was told that an official form

needed to be countersigned by a solicitor.

We needed to make a decision quite quick,

so we started phoning around police stations and solicitors' offices.

Cindy and Rob eventually found a solicitor to sign the form,

and Cindy just about made the next flight seven hours later,

having had to fork out another £600.

Well, later she complained to Emirates about what happened,

claiming that, at the time,

the information about the need for this paperwork

just wasn't made clear on the website.

But, in an echo of Vic's situation,

she too was told that finding out what travel documentation you need

is solely down to the passenger

and not the airline, or your tour operator.

And, of course, when we got in touch with Emirates,

the airline reiterated all of that once again, stressing it's the...

..and that they're up-to-date according to the legal requirements

of the country they're travelling to.

The airline also pointed out that its website

has easy-to-find information about visas for destinations,

covered by its network, including South Africa.

And, as part of that, it does feature the requirement

for a Parental Consent Affidavit for children and young adults

entering or leaving the country.

Cindy claims that information wasn't there when she booked her flights,

but either way, in the end, whether it was or wasn't

isn't really the point, because what both these cases underline

is just how vital it is that you do not rely on an airline,

a tour operator, or indeed anyone else,

to update you on new rules that could affect

what paperwork you need to travel.

And Simon Calder says it's simple to make the relevant checks yourself.

It's very easy. You can search online for FCO -

Foreign and Commonwealth Office - and then the name of the country,

and about the first thing that pops up will be entry requirements.

You can then have a look and see what they need.

It might be that they're happy

with you paying a few dollars when you arrive.

It might be that they demand an online, as it were, interrogation.

You simply don't know,

and therefore, with rules changing frequently,

it makes sense always to check online before you go.

And indeed, when we followed Simon's advice

and checked the FCO site ourselves,

it was clear you might need all sorts of unexpected paperwork

to enter certain countries.

For example, in 17 African nations,

all travellers need proof of vaccination against yellow fever.

And if you go to Uzbekistan, as well as a visa,

you may well need a written invitation to be allowed in.

As for coming home, many countries impose an exit or departure tax,

and although that's normally included

in the price of your airline tickets,

if you go to the Dominican Republic,

it has to be paid on departure in cash.

The world is basically divided into two -

there's the EU, places you can go to with a British passport,

which is still an EU passport, of course, until the day we leave,

and everywhere else.

And if you're going to everywhere else,

then, for goodness' sake, check in advance.

Otherwise, you might very easily end up

in the same situation as Cindy did,

and it's one that she wouldn't wish on anyone else.

From arriving at the airport, all the stress at the airport,

having to re-book flights, it had been incredibly stressful.

I think we both aged about five years just in that morning!

Once the preserve of only the rich,

over recent decades, air travel has become so commonplace

that up to three billion of us take to the skies every single year.

But, you know, it's reckoned that around a quarter of us

are, in varying degrees, actually afraid of flying,

making British travellers the most fearful in Europe.

So several of the airlines run courses

that are designed to overcome the fear of flying

once and for all.

And, to see if they actually work,

we went along with a particularly nervous flyer,

as she gave one of them a try.

For thousands of years, humans have had a fascination with flying,

and initially at least, our attempts to get airborne

had very mixed results!

Though we have now got the hang of it,

and plane journeys have become statistically

the absolute safest way to travel.

For many passengers, though,

the very thought of flying can send them into a spin.

Natalie Pearce from Oxfordshire is one.

Her fear of flying began 20 years ago, over 30,000 feet in the air.

At the end of the '90s, when we were flying back from Tenerife,

we experienced a bit of turbulence

and then we hit what I thought was an air pocket,

where it feels like you're dropping out of the sky.

Um...

Only lasted seconds, but felt like hours.

Now, even contemplating a plane journey

has Natalie racked with fear and anxiety.

I think as I have got older

and probably since I've had the children,

I've always thought more of the safety aspect as well.

If I hear any noises when I'm on the plane,

I then get worried as to what they are.

Or that the wings aren't working properly.

Natalie's concerned that things have got so bad

it's limiting not only her view of the world,

but also her children's.

It has obviously restricted where we can go to,

and we probably don't go away as much as perhaps I used to.

There's so much to see out there, you know,

that we're not seeing because we're so limited

as to where we can go and what we can do.

At present, the only way she can board an aircraft

is after taking prescription medication,

and even then, her fears don't disappear completely.

I've had to, in the past, take prescribed medication

to enable me to get onto a plane.

I have a partner that's very understanding,

that allows me to grip hold of his hand very tightly,

and also talk to me while we're on the flight about what's happening

and to try and calm me down.

So I have got slightly better, like I say,

him supporting me and talking to me,

but I'm still a long way off being OK about flying!

And that's all come to a head since Natalie's father moved to Cyprus.

She knows that unless she can conquer her fear of flying,

she and her children are unlikely to ever visit him in his new home.

Oh, wow, look, that looks amazing, Imogen, doesn't it?

I would love to go to Cyprus to see my dad,

and obviously for the children to go out there and see their grandad.

He moved out there 18 months ago.

He still comes back here, but it'd be lovely...

Even though we've seen pictures of his place in Cyprus,

it would be lovely to actually go out there

and stay with him for a while.

A fear of flying, sometimes called aviophobia,

can lead to a rapid heartbeat, shortness of breath, trembling,

and tightening of the stomach muscles,

along with an overwhelming desire to escape the situation.

But though Natalie's tried various medications,

and alternative therapies to beat it, none have worked.

So now, after years of trying to pluck up the courage,

she's ready to try one of the courses

that airlines run to tackle the problem head-on.

I really want to overcome my fear,

I also want to know why things are making certain noises.

I would like to know sometimes what the speak is on the Tannoys

between the pilots and the air hostesses,

cos sometimes that panics me a bit,

I think they're speaking in a secret code

to say there's a problem with the plane.

So just have a greater understanding of the whole thing.

We're going to accompany Natalie on a daylong course

with Virgin Atlantic, bought for her by her mother at a cost of £267.

It is a last, desperate attempt to get herself airborne.

Though the course claims a 98% success rate,

there's no guarantee that it will work,

and as she heads to the airport, ready to begin,

all she can think of are the downsides to flying.

Getting off the plane at the end

is the only thing I like.

There's absolutely nothing else about flying that I like at all.

It can have a physical effect on me, as in I can get an upset stomach,

and, like I say, I get very anxious about it,

and I can feel nauseous as well.

Richard Conway is the co-founder of this particular course,

and he has first-hand experience

of just how debilitating such fear can be.

I did have a fear of flying.

My overcoming it showed me so much about how to help other people.

The programme started with a need for helping nervous flyers,

and we wanted to do this and really change people's lives in one day,

which is what we do.

Of course, a fear of flying is also bad news for airlines like Virgin,

so it's in their interest

to get anxious passengers back into the sky.

The latest research that we have our hands on is from 2012,

and it shows at least 30% of the population

have a fear of flying of some sort,

and that can be from the mildly anxious to the utterly terrified.

So there's a need. I have to say that our dream would be

for no-one to be booking the courses.

The course is delivered in two parts,

kicking off with a session in the classroom,

and then the real deal up in the air.

But even waiting to go into the classroom

has pushed Natalie's anxiety levels sky-high.

I'm getting a bit more anxious.

I was just speaking to someone

who I presume is running a bit of the course,

I don't know what part he's doing,

but he was asking me about my fears and how it started,

and it was just making me a bit more stressful and anxious

in reiterating what my fears are, so I don't know, we shall see.

But then the course gets underway,

with the tutors trying to erase years of fear and panic.

We see between 2,000 and 3,000 people every single year.

How many people drove here today?

How many people were passengers when they came here today?

The car was serviced this morning, the engineers had looked at it

and checked it over completely and signed it off? Yes?

-LAUGHTER

-No?

All of these things that revolved around incidents and accidents,

the lessons learned are, trust the systems, cos the systems work.

Incidents involving aircraft are so rare, they always make headlines.

So, with the tutors confident

that they've helped the group rationalise their fears

and understand that the risks of flying are relatively low,

the classroom part of the day is over,

and it's time to put into practice

everything they've learned on the ground.

I've just realised quite how irrational some of my fears were,

then you're only going to overcome those

by having pilots or other people telling you, isn't it?

Steady as a rock, I fly with that hand!

-THEY LAUGH

-Just as they look at us!

Oh, hang on.

But as they head off to the aircraft,

Natalie has fresh concerns about whether what she's been taught

will still seem reasonable when it's time to take off.

I think I'm going to be better once I'm actually on the plane -

it's just the apprehension, isn't it, of the unknown almost?

But if she can keep calm and get on board,

this could be a major breakthrough.

We're going to go through security check in a minute...

..to then board the plane.

I just need to get on to the plane now.

Cos we've been now talking about it since this morning,

I just need to go and do it now.

This is the first time in 19 years that Natalie has boarded an aircraft

without the support of medication, and it's not easy.

READER BEEPS

That's perfect, that's going to be straight on board, OK?

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

-Right, so here we go.

Alongside around 130 other fearful flyers,

Natalie finally gets on board.

-61.

-G - just go straight over, turn right.

-Thank you.

As she tries her best to settle in, the safety briefing begins.

So we're now going to explain the safety equipment procedures

for this 787-9 aircraft.

You share responsibility with us for your safety,

so please remove any headsets and pay careful attention.

And the pilots do their best to reassure their nervous passengers.

We worked out we've got 120 years' worth

of aviation experience between us.

Before they know it, it's time for takeoff.

And, once up in the air,

Natalie amazes herself by managing to leave her seat.

For the first time, she's beginning to get a real sense of flying

without her usual nervousness.

It's true what the trainers said,

because I'm not very good with height,

but actually this isn't causing me a problem,

looking out the window at the view.

It is amazing to see all the clouds and things...

..and then see the view below them.

Other airlines, including British Airways and easyJet,

also run courses very similar to this one,

with hundreds of people taking them every month.

OK, we've just commenced a turn to the left-hand side,

heading down towards Southampton and the Isle of Wight.

It's 30 minutes into the flight, and Natalie's confidence is growing.

Yeah, I'm feeling quite relaxed, actually, I'm not too bad.

The overall success rate on today's course was around 99%,

with only one passenger not managing to take the flight,

and Natalie's astonished at the difference

between how she feels now, and how she's felt on planes in the past.

I wouldn't say I love it.

I did enjoy it, which is a major improvement.

And, once she comes back down to earth,

she has high hopes for the future.

I feel it's really worked. I enjoyed the flight.

I'd say the landing and takeoff not as much,

but they weren't as bad as I've experienced before, that's for sure.

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain,

the parents separated from their children on flights

despite paying a premium to guarantee they would sit together.

It was really dreadful, as a mum, to not be with your children

and to be able to protect them and look after them.

Jake, he's only two years old, and been with strangers on that flight.

It was really horrible.

Our travel expert, Simon Calder,

has all the secrets to save you money on your travels.

He's full of tips on everything from how to avoid the crowds

to the best way to steer clear of those tourist traps.

CAMERA CLICKS

Today, he's identifying once-in-a-lifetime trips

that are perfect if money isn't an issue.

Sometimes, you have to mark a big event -

a wedding, an anniversary, a special birthday -

with a big, no-expenses-spared trip.

So what's the best choice when you want to splash out?

Where can you get the biggest bang for your hard-earned bucks?

I've got three very different options.

Antarctica is the destination of choice

for people who want to go to the very end of the earth.

But to make your experience of the frozen continent truly memorable,

plan wisely.

Simon recommends choosing an expedition vessel

with no more than 200 passengers.

Most ships leave from Ushuaia, at the southern tip of Argentina,

and it'll take two days of buffeting across the Drake Passage

to reach Antarctica, as part of a ten-day expedition

that typically costs from around £4,000.

But if all that sounds a bit too adventurous,

then Simon has a more traditionally glamorous suggestion.

The Venice-Simplon Orient Express is a collection of antique carriages

that mostly shuttles between Calais and Venice via Paris.

It has a connection from London which goes as far as Folkestone,

where you can get on a coach to drive onto a Eurotunnel train.

But if you really want to push the boat out,

Simon has a far more luxurious proposition.

So, instead, here's my prescription.

Fly to Venice, Marco Polo Airport,

and take a water taxi to a 5-star hotel

for the most indulgent night of your life.

Then, next day, head for the station,

where the train is waiting for an 11am departure,

and gives you an afternoon of fantastic views

all the way to Innsbruck and beyond.

For the final part of the trip,

you can snooze through eastern France and wake up in Paris.

And while everyone else waits for the engine to be changed

for the rather laborious journey to London...

You can indulge in a perfect Parisian breakfast,

then check out the latest exhibition,

do a little light shopping,

and return to London at high speed in the posh seats on Eurostar,

saving time and money.

Not that you're counting!

Now, either of these trips would cost a small fortune

but the ultimate indulgence - if money really is no object -

would be to hire a private island,

like Ilha Grande close to Rio de Janeiro.

A week here costs not far off £10,000.

Treasure the island,

but then escape to explore the superb coast of Brazil.

Then have a grand day out in Rio,

before your overnight flight back to Britain,

in a flat bed in business class, of course.

And even with some serious shopping and dining,

you should still have change out of £50,000

for the trip of a lifetime for all of you.

You know, flying with children is probably not most people's idea

of a relaxing start to their holiday.

For passengers travelling without kids, sitting next to, behind,

or even worse, in front of someone else's little darling,

can make a long flight seem even longer.

And of course, for the parents,

keeping the young ones still and quiet for hours on end

is quite a challenge.

And things can be even more stressful still

if a family can't sit together, which can and does happen.

In fact, many airlines now suggest

that the only way to guarantee sitting next to your own children

is to pay in advance to reserve seats together.

But, you know, that's really not necessary.

Visitor numbers may have dipped in the wake of terror attacks

and other headline-grabbing events,

but Turkey remains a firm favourite with British holiday-makers,

most of them coming for its beautiful coast and beaches.

Among those to go there last summer

were Kim Robinson and her husband, Steve.

They have to be pretty organised when they travel,

as they've got four children, ranging in ages between two and 14.

We have been on holiday once before with the children,

and booking the flights and the seats,

it's a bit of a military operation, really, ensuring that...

everything runs smoothly,

that the children are sat with myself and my husband,

and everything's organised, ready to go.

Wow...!

Kim booked the family's trip to Turkey five months in advance

with holiday company Thomson.

And, on top of the cost of the flights,

she paid an additional fee of £95

to be sure the family could all sit next to one another

on both legs of the journey.

We went away about four, five years ago,

and we paid to book our seats then,

and we found it just made the whole process much less stressful,

because as well, we have our youngest child as well now,

who's only two,

and because of Emily needing somebody with her,

we'd felt it would just be a lot less hassle to sit together.

But when it came to choosing their seats online,

Kim was dismayed to discover that she could only select seats

for the flight out, and not the return.

It seemed really odd that online we could visually select our seats,

and it gave us our seat numbers,

and we could do all of that for the flight out to Turkey,

but when I noticed that there was no flight chartered back from Turkey,

it seemed really confusing,

and nobody seemed to be able to tell us why.

Thomson eventually explained that this was because

they'd be flying back with a different company,

the Turkish-owned Pegasus Airlines.

So the family would need to contact Pegasus

in order to confirm their seat bookings for the journey home.

My husband had tried to contact Pegasus directly,

but there was quite a serious language barrier,

and so he then rang Thomson and explained

that we couldn't physically speak to Pegasus

and it was something that they would have to do.

We'd paid them the money to reserve the seats,

and it was up to them to kind of ensure we could do that.

PHONE RINGS

After more phone calls and visits to their local Thomson branch,

the company rang the couple back, and told them that,

though they couldn't choose their Pegasus seats in advance,

they would be able to sit together.

The fact that we'd actually paid to select our seats was irritating,

but I was willing to accept that I couldn't select my seats

on the basis, that as a family, we would be sat together.

Reassured by this, the family thought little more about it

until the end of their holiday, that is,

when the time came for them to check in

for their Pegasus return flight at Dalaman Airport.

When they were issued with their actual seat reservations,

their worst fears were realised.

It became very clear that we were sat not even near each other,

we were sat at complete opposite ends of the aircraft.

And so, at this point, my husband became very distressed and he said,

"There is no way we're getting on that plane

"unless we are sat together."

The airport staff assured them

that the issue would be sorted out on the plane.

However, when they boarded,

they were told to sit in their allocated seats by the stewards.

In a crowded plane and with their children dotted across it,

the couple were powerless to do anything

while people continued to cram onto the aircraft.

I was actually sat in that seat in tears,

and I couldn't understand that, as a 32-year-old mother of four,

I was sat crying, and nobody was willing to help me.

I worried about all the children on the plane,

but predominantly Jake and Emily.

Jake, because he's only two years old,

him being with strangers on that flight was quite a concern of mine.

And Emily, she was tired and I wasn't sure how she would react

being around strangers, and on the flight,

she was quite worried about taking off and landing as well,

so it was really dreadful, as a mum, to not be with your children

and to be able to protect them and look after them on that flight.

It was... It was really horrible.

Finally, Kim's husband, Steve, stood up

and tried to explain the situation to the flight attendants.

But when they seemed unwilling to help,

Steve had to resort to asking if any of their fellow passengers

would be willing to swap their seats.

Luckily, three strangers on board did volunteer to help,

so the younger children at least wouldn't be left alone.

Three people in front very kindly moved,

so we could move forward and I could sit with Jake and Ollie on takeoff,

and then after that we moved around a bit

so we could both take it in turns to sit with Jake,

while having Ollie and Alfie near us

and Emily just a bit further down the plane in front,

but she could swap if needed.

The relief was immense, cos I could at least see my children

and I could hold Ollie's hand and be with Jake.

That was a relief.

But I still felt bad that I'd asked somebody on their holiday,

coming back from their holiday, to move.

I felt bad that they'd had to move.

Um, I felt absolutely desolate that nobody had helped me,

that none of the air stewardesses,

air stewards or anything had offered to intervene or help

or do ANYTHING at all.

Months after the incident, Kim and Steve remain upset at what happened,

especially as the extra money they'd paid at the beginning

was supposed to guarantee they could sit together.

When I reflect back upon what happened,

it still makes me more sad than angry,

more upset that myself and my children and my husband

were put in that position,

that we'd paid for a service we did not receive,

that we did not receive any satisfactory feedback

for what happened.

And it has put me off flying again.

Well, when we contacted the airlines involved,

Thomson told us it was really sorry to hear of the family's experience,

and is looking into what happened with its partner airline...

It reiterated that, as the return journey was not on its own airline,

pre-booked seats weren't available,

so it's refunded the seat selection fee the family paid.

For its part, Pegasus Airlines insisted

that, as the flight had been chartered by Thomson,

all sales, ticketing and reservations

were Thomson's responsibility.

It went on to say that its charter flight seats

are allocated during check-in according to availability,

and that, as Kim and Steve were some of the last people to check in,

staff offered them the best seats they could.

It added that, once on board, as other passengers will also

want to sit with the people in their group,

all that cabin crew can do is politely speak to other guests

and try to assist as best as possible,

as they did on this occasion.

Now, you might think it would be a no-brainer

that young children are seated with their family on flights.

But there's no legal requirement for that to happen.

The Civil Aviation Authority says it should be the aim of airlines

to put children close to their parents or guardians

in order to ensure access,

and passengers' safety in an emergency.

However, it does also say -

and this is a really useful fact to remember -

that no plane is allowed to take off

if a child is separated from an accompanying adult

by more than one row.

Even so, an increasing number of airlines

now tell parents that the only way they can guarantee

that they'll sit with their children is by paying extra

to pre-book seats, and depending on the airline,

that can cost anything between £8 and £65.

But, as Kim's experience shows,

even then you might not get what you paid for.

Shannon Swanwick didn't either,

although her case is rather different.

She'd paid extra to be sure that she and her husband

would sit with their youngest daughters, aged three and five,

on an easyJet flight to Antalya.

It was a four-hour flight,

so we were keen to sit together in order to manage the kids, I guess,

and help keep them occupied, but also for our own sanity.

So that's why we decided to pay the £10 extra.

Unfortunately, when the family boarded the plane to Turkey,

they weren't able to sit in their prepaid seats

because someone else with children had got there first.

You could see in his face that he knew that he was sat in our seat,

and he kind of had this plea look on his face.

He was a Turkish gentleman,

and I don't think he really spoke a lot of English.

Understanding why this other family wanted to sit together as well,

Shannon's husband, Craig, took the man's original seat

further down the plane,

and Shannon found herself three seats elsewhere

so that she could sit with the children.

But the couple felt it made a mockery

of having paid for allocated seats.

I was frustrated with the situation.

I didn't know who to be frustrated with, either.

Was I frustrated with the airline?

Was I frustrated with the chap who hadn't booked?

Probably a little bit of all that.

I think most of all I was frustrated with the process of having to book

and pay for seats, but it not working out, for whatever reason.

I think airlines need to be more aware at booking

that there are certain requirements

for people to sit next to each other.

Well, easyJet tells us it does everything it can

to seat families together, and has a...

..at no additional cost.

It says, on the rare occasions when this doesn't happen,

airline staff will ask passengers on board to move

to accommodate families with young children.

As for Shannon's particular case, easyJet said it was happy to refund

what she had paid to reserve the seats,

and apologised for any inconvenience caused.

But our resident travel expert, Simon Calder,

feels very strongly about this issue,

and says passengers should be confident of their rights

when booking flights as a family.

Airlines know full well

that they have to sit families in close proximity.

Any airline that pretends that it can't do, that it won't do,

that you have to pay, is frankly telling porkies.

They must make sure that parents and children

are sat close to each other,

and the plane isn't going anywhere until they do.

As for our families,

both will think twice in future before paying extra to sit together.

I think it's sort of made us realise that even if you do actually pay

to select and book your seats, there is a very realistic possibility

that you aren't going to be able to sit together.

The whole travelling process,

be it with children or not with children,

is fairly anxious anyway until you get to your destination,

so it's just one extra thing, yeah,

that you've got to try and meander round, and hope for the best.

If you have got a story you'd like us to investigate,

then get in touch with us via our Facebook page...

..our website...

..or e-mail us at...

..or, if you want to send us a letter, then our new address is...

Well, you often tell us how frustrating

you find the different policies of individual airlines,

and one of your biggest bugbears has long been the charges

for designated or guaranteed seats.

But I honestly never thought I'd see the sort of problems

for families as we've seen today.

Now, this is only my opinion,

but I find it very hard to justify why you should have to pay extra

to be sure that you can sit by your own child.

And I don't think you're on your own with that one, Gloria,

because I'm sure an awful lot of people will agree with you.

But, on a more positive note,

wasn't it absolutely great to see how Natalie ended up

so much more confident about getting on a plane?

The world is now her oyster,

so we all hope that she enjoys every minute of exploring it.

In the meantime,

do remember that if you've had an issue with a flight or an airline,

then do let us know about it.

We really would like to hear from you.

I'm sure this is a topic we'll be returning to again,

but all your e-mails and letters help us identify the issues

that most matter to you, so do please keep them coming.

And - tummy alert! - our food series will be returning soon,

so we'd especially like your questions and stories for that.

For now, though, this particular takeoff is definitely on time,

so from the three of us, it's goodbye.

-BOTH:

-Bye-bye.