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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I think this is very, very, very wrong for what they have done. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
The bank piles charges upon charges upon charges. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Legally, it was right. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
Morally, that's where the question of doubt comes in my view. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
And you contacted us in your thousands, by post, email, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
even stopping us in the street. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
And the message could not be clearer. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
You don't get a straight answer, they're trying to fob you off. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
I'm not happy at all. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
There's always that small print that's got the clause in that you didn't realise. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
We're being ripped off, big time. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Whether it's a deliberate rip off, a simple mistake, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
or a catch in the small print, we'll find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
AND what you can do about it. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Keep asking the questions, you know, go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
We get results, that's the interesting thing. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, the series that fights to sort out your complaints | 0:01:00 | 0:01:06 | |
and makes sure no one takes advantage of you or your money. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Too right! Today we tackle a subject that affects every one of us, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
and can leave you feeling confused or ripped-off - energy bills! | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
-The dreaded energy bills. -Exactly. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's on everybody's minds during the winter with these higher prices. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
We'll be looking at some of the mistakes energy companies make | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
when it comes to your bills | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
and exposing the hidden hikes you may not have spotted. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
Coming up: Why the cost of a boiler break down | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
has left hundreds hot under the collar. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
We are not happy about it, because we're paying £199 for it. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Plus, paying the price of the energy companies' mistakes. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Backdated bills for tens of thousands of pounds. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
The additional amount being asked for was a very alarming £38,000. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
And we lay on some expert advice at our one-stop pop-up shop. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:06 | |
The huge rise in our energy bills couldn't have come at a worse time. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
It's estimated that up to a quarter of households in the UK are living in so-called fuel poverty | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
when more than 10% of your total income goes on keeping warm. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
But what if the increases are only the tip of the iceberg? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
Trevor Watson worked out that the price rises in his bill were far higher than he'd read about. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:32 | |
In fact, up to 40% higher. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
So we decided to investigate. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
This winter, for millions of people, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
the cost of keeping warm is more worrying than ever. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Which is why we've heard from so many people concerned about their bills. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Among them, Trevor Watson. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
When I did the maths on mine, the huge increases, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
I was so angry. I could not believe it. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Trevor gets his energy from Scottish Power, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
after switching in December 2010. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
When he's not volunteering at a local National Trust orchard, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
this retired project manager knows how to root out a good deal. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
I came across Scottish Power's online energy saver 2011. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:30 | |
And that suited me. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
So I switched to that in December, 2010. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
And everything was fine until I saw these horrendous price rises being proposed. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:42 | |
In June 2011, Scottish Power advertised an average price increase | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
of 10% on electricity and 19% on gas. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
For the average dual fuel customer, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
that works out at £174 increase on the yearly bill, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
but thanks to the particular tariff that he was on, Trevor faced an even bigger price hike. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
I investigated my own tariff | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
and I was absolutely horrified when I worked out | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
that the increase they were proposing for my electricity | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
was up to 25%, and for gas was a whopping 61%. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
61%?! I just couldn't believe it. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
When I worked out the cost for myself | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
on my own annual consumption, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
it worked out as a whopping 40% increase or about £420. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:37 | |
That is just totally unsustainable. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Trevor contacted the company to point out the discrepancy | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
between the advertised price rises | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
and what his own increase would be. They responded stating | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
the reason for the larger than average increase | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
was due to him being on one of their most competitive tariffs. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
And that made me even more angry, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
because they gave two reasons for my horrendous increase in prices. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
The first was that I was on one of their most competitive tariffs. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
That's a fact, not a reason to take away the competitive element. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
And the second one was that there was a price rise in November, 2010, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
which I missed! Totally irrelevant, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
because I didn't even join Scottish Power until December. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
'It makes me angry because I feel impotent' | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
that I'm just a single person trying to battle against | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
these big giants who make billions of pounds of profit. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Scottish Power told us their prices have risen because their own costs | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
have increased significantly. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
The figures they announced were averages across Britain | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
for all products and payment methods, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
but every customer then got an individual letter | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
allowing them to cancel without any penalty. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
They say Trevor's tariff was a limited online offer, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
and even though prices had to increase, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
it will still track 2% below standard direct debit prices. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
Energy price comparison experts say rather than settling for higher bills, consumers should think | 0:06:12 | 0:06:19 | |
about switching supplier as there's still big money to be saved. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
The energy companies have made it incredibly complicated | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
to understand what tariff you're on and how much energy you use, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
and it's putting a lot of people off wanting to get involved. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Don't give up. If you do, they will win | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and you will forego that 15% or 20% you'd cut off your bill. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
The good news is it's getting easier, the regulator's making them simplify their tariff structures. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:49 | |
But is the British public getting the energy switching message? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-Do you ever shop around for different tariffs? -Oh, yes. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
I do. I do all the time. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
-But are you aware of how many tariffs there are within each company? -No, I'm not. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
But I'd sooner stick to what I do. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-So you might be able to save a bit of money? -Perhaps so, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
but I haven't got a computer or anything, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
so I just carry on the way I am. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
I've tried to get my tariff fixed, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
so I did a bit of online research just to get a feel for the prices | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
before I committed to anything. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
How long did you get it fixed for? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
-A year. -So you were ahead of the game. -Every penny counts! -Sure does. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
Trevor's now swapped his tariff for a fixed one. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
To me, there just seems to be something rotten in the energy industry and their prices. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
If nothing changes, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
there's nothing to stop them doing this over and over again. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
But he doesn't think any individual energy company is a bad apple. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
He'd like to see all their prices overhauled, root and branch. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
Well, we can't all work out our bills as well as Trevor, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
so if you'd like a bit of help, you can find advice on our website: | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
When you've got a problem, it can be hard to know where to turn. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
So to help, for one weekend in September, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
we opened a pop-up shop in Manchester, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
offering free consumer advice from a range of experts. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Scott Byrom from Moneysupermarket | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
was kept busy dealing with worries about energy bills - | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
how to work them out, and how to pay for them. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Janet had been paying her energy bills by direct debit, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
which she thought would be more straightforward, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
but that wasn't how it turned out. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
In January 2010, I was surprised when I got a bill for £400, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
saying that I was in arrears of £400 | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
and that they were going to take it out the following month. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I thought, "Fair enough if I've not been paying enough." | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
I did pay that off. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
They increased my direct debit payments, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
then in the summer they wrote to me saying I was now in credit. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
'Now Janet was in credit, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
'the utility company cut her direct debit to £48 a month.' | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
So consequently again, after this winter, I received a huge bill, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:27 | |
because we had such a harsh winter, of £700 in arrears | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
which they just want to take out the following month. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
This kind of thing shouldn't happen? They are at fault for handling her like that? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
Also, the idea of a monthly direct debit is it's balanced throughout the year. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
I don't understand why they've changed your direct debit | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
from £120 down to £48. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
That's a huge dip. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
The first thing I'd advise you do is make sure the meter is correct. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
Take a meter reading, leave it for a week and read what it is again. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
That should then identify whether your meter is running correctly | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
and indicates whether this debt that you're now in is yours to pay. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
The general advice is to be more proactive about your energy bill, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
so if you're on top of it, you're taking your own meter readings, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
you should be aware of how much you're paying, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
and hopefully, you'll avoid finding yourself £600 in debt. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Janet, good advice there, I think, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
and with a bit of luck, it shouldn't happen again. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Let's hope not. Thanks for coming in. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
-Thank you very much. -Cheers. Bye. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Other consumers used our specially constructed gripe box | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
to air their frustrations about the energy price hikes. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Although the big six energy companies have now started to drop prices, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
they're not putting them down by as much as they went up. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Hello, I want to speak on behalf of all the rest of the household owners | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
regarding the electric and gas bills going so high. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Don't you find electric bills go up, up and up?! | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
And then you look in the paper and find out these electric firms | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
are making millions of pounds of profit - for who?! | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
With all of us paying more for gas and electricity bills this winter, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
it is of course a good idea to try to save money by becoming more energy efficient. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
Having your old boiler replaced with that shiny, new condenser boiler | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
is a great start, but I warn you, there's no instant return, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
because they don't come cheap. Now, imagine the frustration if, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
after you shelled out thousands of pounds to get one, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
winter strikes and your boiler packs up. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
It's bound to get you hot under the collar. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
December 2010. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
The fiercest cold snap for a century left us all sheltering in the warmth of our homes. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:51 | |
But not everyone was suffering. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
The UK's biggest domestic energy supplier, British Gas, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
has reported profits of £742 million. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
And those profits were a double blow for some British Gas customers. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
Not only are they now paying higher energy bills, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
but thousands of them have also been told they'll have to shell out | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
even more money to fix a problem with a particular type of boiler | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
which British Gas sold them. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Every year, a million people need to replace their boilers, and it's now | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
a legal requirement that when you do, you install the condenser type. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
These new models may be efficient, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
but they're not always fans of sub-zero weather, breaking down | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
and leaving people without heat at the very time they need it most. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
And that's what happened to Jean and Gordon, who, in 2005, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
paid £4,016 to have a new Glowworm condenser installed by British Gas. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:50 | |
Well, five toasty years followed, until Christmas Day 2010, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
when their boiler suddenly threw in the towel. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
I got up and said, "It's a bit cold in here." | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I felt the radiators, cos they should have come on, and he said, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
"Well, I don't know." | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
The problem was down to the extreme cold we all felt in December 2010. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
Temperatures of -20 caused the boiler to stop working | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
because a small plastic pipe designed to vent | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
condensation had gradually frozen, causing the system to shut down. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
An engineer came out and confirmed the pipe would need replacing, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
at a cost of £199. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
Well, we were not happy about that, because to us | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
it's a design fault, so whether it is a fault of the manufacturers of | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
the system, or British Gas doing it, it's just not fit for use, really. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:47 | |
Not in those circumstances. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
And you can see why they might say that - | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
because their broken boiler wasn't a one off. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
British Gas has written to 46,000 customers who suffered | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
similar breakdowns in 2010, advising them that they now need to | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
fit an extra part so the same thing doesn't happen this winter. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
That can cost between £149-199. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
Jean and Gordon are having theirs replaced today. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
This is the pipe, up here, that hung down the wall | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
and goes into the guttering. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
That is the pipe that was freezing in the winter. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
They put the boiler in - as far as we knew, it was a workable boiler. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
OK, it's six years old, but nobody should give you something that | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
you cannot use full time, whether it's hot or cold. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Two hours later, here's the new-look winter pipe, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
fitted with a part called a trace element. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
Effectively, a hot wire, which warms the plastic pipe to prevent freezing. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
And the couple are nearly £200 lighter. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
We are not happy about it, because we're paying £199 for it, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
but we're just going to hope and pray that it will work for us. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
If every one of the 120,000 new condenser boilers which | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
British Gas have installed each year | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
since 2005 needed to be upgraded this way, then what they're | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
charging for the new part would bring in over £107 million. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
So, is that just adding to their profits, or does | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
the boiler have a fundamental flaw which they should repair for free? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:32 | |
We asked them, and they said no. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
British Gas told us it's only during the prolonged freezing | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
weather of the last two years that the problem came to light. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
To prevent it, they now install pipes on the inside whenever possible. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
And for outdoor pipes, they supply the part that Jean and Gordon had fitted. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
But they say they do so at cost-price, making no profit. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
The boiler's manufacturer, Glowworm, says there's no fundamental fault, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
pointing out that the external pipe worked for | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
five typical winters, and that the more extreme winter of 2010 affected | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
all manufacturers and installers, not just them, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
which the industry's lead trade body, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
the Heating and Ventilating Contractors Association, has confirmed. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
But Jean and Gordon, as you imagine, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
are still disappointed that they had to pay. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
It doesn't feel fair, it doesn't feel right. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
At a time when money is tighter than ever, you need to know | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
your cash is working hard for you, avoiding rip-offs along the way. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
So, we've put together a booklet of tips | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
and advice to help safeguard your money. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
You can find a link to the free guide on our website. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Or, to receive a copy in the post, send an A5 self-addressed | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
envelope to the address we'll be giving at the end of the programme. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
Hundreds of small businesses are being hit with crippling bills | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
because it turns out that for years they've been undercharged. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Even though they knew nothing about it, they are now suddenly being told, "Pay up!" | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
Rick Waters owns a small independent shopping centre in Rye, Sussex. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
Home to around 20 small businesses, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
he's been running it for the last 20 years and it's become an established part of the local community. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:31 | |
The secret to the shopping centre's success is that Rick keeps running costs low. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
But in January of 2011, he received a letter from his electricity supplier, EDF Energy, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
that threatened all of that. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
We received a huge envelope from EDF Energy | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
which contained a demand for just under £60,000. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
Now, the normal monthly bill at the time was about 200, maybe 250. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:04 | |
To make matters worse, the bill - | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
or bills, because there were no less than 192 pages of invoices | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
going back four years - | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
arrived during Christmas, when the centre was shut! | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
So I didn't actually pick up the envelope until 7th January | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
and by that time, we'd received another letter which was a reminder | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
dated 4th January, saying "You should have paid this by now." | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
I mean, some of this defies belief. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
With no easy way of getting hold of £60,000, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Rick feared that he'd have to close the shopping centre. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
That, or make himself very unpopular with the tenants. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
'You can't go round to the tenants | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
and say, "Right, that's £2,500 each, please."' | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Life doesn't work like that. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
So why exactly was Rick sent such an enormous bill? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
Well, it seems that in January 2007, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
EDF made what they call an "administration error" | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
and started billing the centre for ten times less electricity | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
than they were actually using. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
The result - a whopping backdated bill | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
and no way of paying it back. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
On 14th January they sent a threatening letter | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
saying, "You haven't paid the bill. If it's not paid within five days, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
"we're going to come and cut you off, take you to court." | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Domestic customers can only be asked to pay bills dating back 12 months, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
but Rick is far from being the only person to have discovered a very different situation for businesses. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
The Crossing Church And Centre in Worksop is a charity | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
that received a similarly hefty bill from their gas supplier - | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
British Gas. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Mark Pengelly is the reverend. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Out of the blue one day, our church treasurer received | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
a new set of bills from British Gas which went back | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
over the complete four-year period since we'd opened. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
The additional amount being asked for, for the back payment over the four years, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:13 | |
was a very alarming £38,000. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Unable to pay the bill, the reverend began negotiations with British Gas, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
and even though it was all down to the meter underestimating the church's consumption, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
they insisted that he still had to pay for all of the backdated gas that the church had used. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:31 | |
With little choice, Mark agreed to pay an initial £10,000, and then pay the balance off monthly. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:38 | |
But as the church relies on volunteers and donations to keep going, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
the affects of this bill have been far-reaching. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
Paula Howard is the centre administrator. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
It's been quite a shock to the system. If that has to be passed on to our users, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
especially community users, it'll have a massive impact | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
because we won't be able to subsidise their meetings as far as we do now. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
That threatens the survival of popular activities | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
such as the Knit And Natter Group. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
It would be difficult to find somewhere else that would help us in this way. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Cos the church have been very kind to us. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
No matter whose fault the error, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
energy companies can currently bill businesses for up to six years | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
of back payments. Regulator Ofgem would like to see this reduced to one year, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:30 | |
in line with domestic customers. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
But until that happens, there's nothing to stop businesses like the ones we've met | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
from being landed with huge back bills. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
We contacted both EDF Energy and British Gas for their comments. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
Both apologised for the "inconvenience caused" | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
and in each case, they've reduced the bill and agreed | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
an extended repayment plan. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
EDF have also switched Rick to a better value tariff. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
British Gas point out it wasn't them that installed the church's faulty meter, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
although the company that did insists that their annual inspection | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
had flagged up that there may be an issue. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Meanwhile, Reverend Pengelly | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
has had his faith in British Gas severely tested. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
In one sense, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
we don't dispute the fact that that meter may have been reading wrongly | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
and technically, we have been underpaying. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
But we feel that if we've been treated very unjustly | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
and to say, "Actually, you owe us three times the amount per month, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
"and you owe us £38,000 as a back payment," | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
it's really undermined all of our financial planning of the last five years. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
Undoubtedly, the largest number of complaints we get from our viewers is all to do with energy prices, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
the lack of clarity from the energy companies, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
the confusion about tariffs, how many tariffs there are | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and indeed how to read your own bill correctly. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
'So I've come to Energy UK, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
'who represent the UK's gas and electricity industry, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
'to see if they can make things just a little bit clearer.' | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Christine, most of our viewers seem to not be able to read their bills, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
and I must say, myself included. Can you read yours? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
I can read mine, but I work in the industry, so you'd expect that. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
But certainly there is a lot of information on bills. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
You have to have...your last meter reading, your latest meter reading, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
gas, electricity, which tariff you're on, your energy consumption. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
There's a lot of stuff on there and a lot of it is actually required | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
to be there by the regulator, but the companies | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
are working hard to make it as simple as possible. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
You say you're making moves and the big companies are working together. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
The reality is you all seem to be in cahoots with each other. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
Many think that Ofgem should just split the whole business up | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
and really enforce more open competition. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
The appearance may be very different from reality. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
We know the market is competitive and we would urge people to make sure | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
they're taking advantage of it by getting the best deal. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
If you've never switched, you can save hundreds of pounds. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
You make it sound simple. "You can just switch, get a better deal." | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
The reality is that Ofgem, two years ago, told the big companies | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
that you had 200 different tariffs on the market and to stop that. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
Now it's 400 different tariffs. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
What chance do I or a more vulnerable person, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
what chance do we have of sorting that out? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Because I don't think you're moving fast enough towards what you're saying. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
Well, I think the companies take this extremely seriously | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
and they do recognise there are areas in which consumers expect more. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
One example, one company has recently just slashed its number of tariffs | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
by about a third and there will be more changes to bills, to annual statements. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
The regulator is changing the way tariffs are going to work, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
so there are lots of things happening. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
But the reality is that bills are soaring, profits are soaring. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
That is very confusing and if I may say, very annoying | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
for the consumer because it's all, "We'll do this, we might do that." | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
At the same time, your shareholders are pocketing. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
That's absolutely not the case and if you look at the detail | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
on profits, pound-for-pound, companies are investing more every year | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
than they're making in profit. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
But let's talk about help. There's a huge amount being done this winter | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
-to help the most vulnerable people... -For example? -..which everyone is concerned about. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
For example, 200 million being spent on a wide range of initiatives | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
that includes, for example, an automatic £120 off your bill | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
for the 600,000 poorest pensioners. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
Several million, I think it's around 4 million letters going out, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
to try to reach the priority customers and get them insulation. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
Insulation is not a big, sexy headline story | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
but it'll save these people hundreds of pounds year after year. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
-Christina, I'll come back and see you again next year. Thank you. -I look forward to it. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
Confused over your bills? Trying to wade your way through | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
endless small print that leaves you none the wiser? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
I might've been stupid for not reading it | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
or I've read it and not taken it in. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
I could kick myself. I really could. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
and that so-called "great deal" has ended up costing you money? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
I thought, "This cannot be true. It's totally unacceptable." I was so angry. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
the mistakes you made with us, so others don't do the same. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
No-one knows about this, so this is very strange to me. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
I really would like to get this much clearer. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Or send us an email to... | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
From the stories we've heard today, it's obvious our energy companies | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
don't always make things easy for us, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
but when the cost of keeping warm is such a financial burden, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
we need our bills and tariffs to be as simple to understand as possible. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
We certainly do and never forget if you get bad service, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
don't put up with it. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Switching suppliers really is not that complicated, though a lot of people still haven't done it. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
Just don't be afraid to take your business elsewhere. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Which is exactly what I did last year due to this programme. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
That's just about it for now. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:46 | |
I do hope you'll join us again when we'll be investigating even more of your stories | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
and showing you how to avoid being ripped off. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
-Until next time, thank you for your company and see you soon. Bye-bye. -Goodbye. -Goodbye. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 |