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We asked YOU to tell us who's left you feeling ripped-off.

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I think this is very, very, very wrong for what they have done.

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The bank piles charges upon charges upon charges.

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Legally, it was right.

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Morally? That's where the question of doubt comes, in my view.

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And you contacted us in your thousands,

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by post, e-mail, even stopping us in the streets!

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And the message could not be clearer.

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You don't always get a straight answer. They fob you off.

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I'm not happy at all.

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It's always that very small print that's got the clause in

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that you didn't realise.

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We're being ripped off big-time.

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Whether it is a deliberate rip-off,

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a simple mistake, or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions. Go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the programme that investigates

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your consumer complaints and battles on your behalf

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to get the answers that you've been fighting for.

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Throughout the series,

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we're shining a light on the companies you've told us about

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that have left you feeling short-changed -

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both big and small organisations.

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And today, well,

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some of the companies that you've contacted us about

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are very big indeed.

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Today we're tackling problems to do with your phone

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or your internet connection.

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Services provided by some of the country's best-known names.

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But are you always getting what you expect for your money?

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Coming up...

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Left behind by the broadband revolution -

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the village that took matters into their own hands

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to get themselves online.

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And the couple paying a high price for a low-speed service.

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It takes so long to download them that it's virtually useless.

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See? Go slow!

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And why this man now wonders if, after spending £6,000

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on high street hearing aids, he could have got something similar for free.

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Now, here's one person who watches Rip-Off Britain regularly

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who is absolutely livid about what they've had to go through,

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and it's not difficult to see why.

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The mobile phone - over 30 million are sold in the UK every year.

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The question is, how did we cope without them?

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But what happens if you lose yours?

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Well, the latest Home Office figures show that,

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in a 12-month period, 850,000 people have had their mobile phone stolen,

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leaving them not only incommunicado but also out of pocket.

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Sam Arnold is a student and he relies heavily on his phone.

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But the 21-year-old doesn't make any calls -

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he only uses it for text messages, because he's severely deaf.

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I constantly use mobile phones, every day,

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and I constantly have them with me all the time,

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because it's very important for me to contact people

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and I can't live without my phone.

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But while studying for his final exams at university,

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Sam lost his telephone after a night out with pals.

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The next day, I just noticed

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that I haven't got my phone with me.

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So I contact my mates to say, "Have I left my phone in your house?"

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But the house was a bit messy, so they said they'll find it.

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When the phone wasn't found, his dad, Paul,

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called the mobile provider -

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in this case, Orange - to cancel the contract.

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I asked in that normal, casual way, "Has the phone been used?"

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They say, "Yes, the phone has been used."

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They start to reel off the countries -

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Somalia, UAE,

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Nigeria, Netherlands...

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I'm sitting there, thinking, "My gosh.

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"This bill is getting bigger every time they say another name."

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So I said, "What's the total bill?"

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They said, "Well, right now, it's up to about £1,450."

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So, of course, I just felt that real knot in my stomach.

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No wonder, because Sam and his dad

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were told it was them that had to foot the bill.

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And that's not unusual.

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If your mobile is lost or stolen,

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it's generally YOU who will be liable

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for the cost of calls made on it up to when you reported the loss.

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Even though, in this case, clearly Sam had not made them.

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When Orange told us to pay £1,452,

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I was a bit, like, in shock,

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because I never make phone calls because I'm deaf.

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He never makes a phone call.

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He just used it for text.

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So surely when a phone moves

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from being text-only to being mainly phone calls,

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surely something should be triggered there?

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So you went to Brussels, Belarus, Greece...

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Paul wonders why the phone company didn't spot the unusual calls

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straight away and let them know about the situation.

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I was actually quite disgusted,

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because how could a bill that is normally about £30, £35,

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jump to £1,500 and there's no communication back?

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They're a communications company!

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Why are they not talking to me?

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You'd think they'd do something. Particularly if it goes from

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just texting to voicing, then wouldn't you do something about that?

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Orange told us that when unusual usage is flagged up by the system,

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they take appropriate action as and when required.

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But they stress that it's the customer's responsibility

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to tell them as soon as the phone goes missing,

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as only then can they stop calls being charged to an account.

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In this case,

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they say it was two days before they were notified of the phone's loss.

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They recommend their customers use the security PIN on their phones

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to prevent unauthorised loss.

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And they say that situations like this

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could be avoided by requesting a bar on international calls.

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Even so, the company did eventually agree

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to cancel the outstanding bill of £1,452.94.

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But Sam and Paul still feel that the calls

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should never have been allowed to get so high.

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It was stressful,

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money was hard to come by.

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To then suddenly have to find £1,500 out of nowhere

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to pay this bill was horrible.

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And I just felt that it just didn't seem right that this should happen.

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Now, for many of us, whether it's at work or at home,

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the internet has become an essential part of everyday life.

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In fact, 19 million households are now online.

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But exactly how fast your internet connection will be

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still, I'm afraid, very much depends

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on which part of the country you live in.

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Now, in rural areas especially,

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trying to get online can be frustratingly slow.

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Martin and Diane Verlaine are amongst the people angry about that.

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They don't like the fact that they're paying the same

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as people who enjoy faster speeds.

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And they also reckon that their slow Internet connection

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is actually damaging their business.

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It's three years since Martin and Diane Verlaine swapped this...

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for this.

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We're both workaholics and we were like ships that pass in the night.

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I was an IT project manager

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and quite often I would do a 48-hour stint.

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I said to Martin that we need to find something else,

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because otherwise we'll cark at our desks

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and the taxman will get all our money.

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We didn't want that,

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so we started looking around for something else we could do.

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And here is that "something" - a holiday cottage business

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tucked away in a beautiful corner of Devon.

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But there's a downside to living in such a remote area -

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the speed of their broadband internet connection,

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which is very slow indeed.

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They've got downloadable lessons now which they haven't had before.

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-That's good.

-Yeah, it's good,

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but it takes so long to download them

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and for them to play,

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that it's... It's virtually useless.

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Here we go, look.

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See? Go slow.

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The most that we've ever got is one meg. 1.1, I think.

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1.2 at an absolute push,

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but that's when I'm using it at 6.30 in the morning

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and there's no other interference on the line, nobody else using it.

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Martin and Diane don't just need a faster connection for fun,

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they need it for their holiday cottage business,

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so that they can take bookings online.

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We'd like to be able to run the business ourselves,

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but we can't, because we have to rely on the booking agent

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to get the customers in.

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If I can have my own website and I can take my own bookings,

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I need to be able to take payments via the internet.

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I can't do any of that with this kind of broadband speed.

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The problem is that broadband is still a postcode lottery.

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If you live in a big city,

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chances are that you'll have a fast connection.

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In rural areas, where the infrastructure hasn't been upgraded,

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it's likely to be much slower.

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And though Martin and Diane's guests come to get away from it all,

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like the rest of us, they've learned to expect fast internet access wherever they are.

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They may be getting five- or six-meg broadband where they are

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and expecting, you know, to be able to have a very similar response

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when they come away.

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Unfortunately, you have to tell them, "It's very disappointing.

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"I'm sorry, this is all we can get."

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When they signed up,

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it was a package advertising speeds of up to 20Mb.

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Although now, the maximum BT can claim is up to 16,

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because just this month, there's been a major change in the way

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that broadband speeds are allowed to be advertised.

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Internet service providers, including BT,

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can only promote speeds which 10% of their customers can receive.

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Of course, Martin and Diane's speeds couldn't be further away

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from the maximum that most people can hope for.

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They knew they'd never get the fastest connection living here,

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but hadn't imagined it would be as slow and unpredictable as it is.

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Or that it would have such an impact.

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I don't think we thought,

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having lived in London and in major towns,

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that to have such a slow broadband connection

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was something that we needed to take into consideration.

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I don't think we believed that it was a situation

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that there wasn't a solution to.

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And what's especially galling for the couple is that

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they still have to pay £19/month to BT,

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even though they're not getting anything like

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the same broadband speed as most other customers

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who are paying the same rate.

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The couple say the reason BT have given them for the slow connection

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is that they're a long way from the exchange

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and the system uses the original copper wiring.

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And it's not like they can switch to another provider.

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Because we have copper wire and there is no fibre optics,

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some companies won't entertain us at all,

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other companies will offer us a service,

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but with no better speed, but costing us much more money -

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almost triple what we're paying now.

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And I can't afford that.

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Michael Phillips is the broadband expert

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for the price comparison site Consumer Choices.

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Broadband is now one of life's essentials.

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It's like the fourth utility.

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So not having a useful broadband connection

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can be a massive inconvenience on people's lives.

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But that is magnified by an enormous extent for businesses.

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It's almost impossible to operate

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if you don't have a fast broadband connection.

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Martin and Diane would agree,

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and are in no doubt about what they'd like to see.

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If you're providing a service that's vastly inferior

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than someone in the middle of London can get

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you have to charge less. And until Ofcom, or someone,

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has the power to force British Telecom to do that,

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there will be no movement from where we are.

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BT told Rip-Off Britain that their policy has always been

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to give customers an...

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..before they sign up.

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And they say that their pricing is based on...

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..including usage limits and security features.

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They've confirmed that Martin and Diane receive the...

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There may yet be some hope.

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The Government has invested £530 million

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to try and help roll out faster broadband to rural area by 2015.

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Martin and Diane's area is set for improvements next summer.

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Martin and Diane hope that,

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if there are improvements in their area, they don't come

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too late for them to realise their dreams

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and make a success of their business.

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I'm incredibly frustrated by it.

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I can't grow my business

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because I can't offer the services to my customers and my guests

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that they feel - and I feel - they should have.

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I just can't grow my business.

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'For one weekend only, we opened up a consumer advice clinic

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'in a pop-up shop in Manchester.

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'We had a team of experts on hand to solve your problems face-to-face.'

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We've got a couple of people from Trading Standards

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and we've got some other people in there, as well.

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I hope there's somebody in there to point you in the right direction.

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Thank you very much.

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But perhaps the busiest part of the shop was our special gripe box -

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a place to come in and tell us what you really think.

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-Been ripped-off.

-I want some help.

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-I think it's disgusting.

-They've never got back to me.

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The price has gone up.

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It does look a bit like a TARDIS.

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It has been so popular today, I can't tell you.

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It's been rather difficult to get people out.

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So they love the idea they're in a box, contained.

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They can really get everything off their chest.

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What I don't like is when you ring up a customer services

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and you have to get through to different people every time you ring,

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and none of them has the right information on the screen.

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One of the things my wife and I find extremely frustrating at home

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is the number of unwanted telephone calls we get these days.

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Why aren't 0845 numbers straightforward, simple

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and who you're going to ring?

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Whenever I want to phone up the bank or, increasingly,

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other organisations, I'm being charged 40p, 50p per minute,

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which I think is unfair

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and it seems to be that there aren't any options now to phone a landline.

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So, paying for local calls at national rate seems to be

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a real bugbear. And Paul asked for some advice

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on his gripe from Trading Standards officer Sylvia Rook.

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How can I help you?

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My particular gripe is with supposedly free telephone numbers -

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0800 numbers.

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I've just had my mobile phone bill, which normally is £12 a month,

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which is now £50 and I just think it's a bit unfair, really.

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Not just for students, but for everybody.

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Companies do it because it's a standard charge,

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no matter where you phone from.

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That's the reason they give you the number.

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They can say that everybody pays the same amount of money.

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If you phone 0800 from a landline, it will always be a free call.

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But if you phone it from a mobile, they do charge you.

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There's a website called SayNoTo0870.com.

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I've got it open here.

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What it allows you to do is put in any of these numbers that start

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with 08 and, if there is one,

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it will provide you with the alternative landline number.

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I've got the Student Loan Company.

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I can see it's an 0870 number,

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so I can understand why it's caused you quite a bit of due stress.

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What it's done is come up with a landline number here.

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This is a good opportunity. It won't cover everything,

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but at least it should cut down on your telephone costs.

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I wish you luck with the rest of your degree.

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-Thank you very much.

-OK. Good to meet you.

-Bye-bye.

-Thank you.

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And we'll be opening up our pop-up shop again

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one weekend during this coming June.

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For the latest information, keep checking our website.

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Next: No-one wants to hand over hard-earned cash

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for something they might be able to get for free.

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But, according to an investigation by Which? Magazine

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and the charity Action On Hearing Loss,

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that's exactly what can happen

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with the sale of hearing aids on the high street.

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And there's one Rip-Off Britain viewer who now wonders

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if he spent a lot more than he needed to.

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Norman Squire's hearing had served him pretty well until 2010,

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when, aged 92, he noticed that he was starting to struggle a little.

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I keep asking people to repeat things.

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Somebody's got something to tell you and there's a punchline

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and you miss that, so you say, "Beg your pardon?"

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So they keep telling me I need a hearing aid.

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Norman's friend, Chris, was surprised his hearing was failing.

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I've never had trouble having a conversation with him.

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I think I've got the advantage

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of having worked with the deaf, that I'm used to speaking clearly,

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which is a benefit to Norman.

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Though his problems seemed slight, Norman was pleased when one day a leaflet came through his door

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from a chain of shops selling hearing aids, called Hidden Hearing.

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They had a local branch, so he popped along to see what they would advise.

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They offered me a hearing aid to try and put in me ear

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and it was like a big marble.

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So he said, "All right, try this one."

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And he fits this one in.

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And there was nothing else, nothing else was forthcoming.

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So I don't know if they make anything else.

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Norman agreed to buy two hearing aids there and then -

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one for each ear -

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but was surprised to find how much they cost.

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I did have a friend who said they'd paid 2,000.

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So I thought, at tops, it would be 2,000.

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Instead of which it was nearly six.

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Norman didn't have £6,000, but he was able to spread the cost

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with a finance agreement that the shop arranged for him.

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The name Hidden Hearing does suggest the shop specialises

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in discreet devices.

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Norman says he wasn't particularly concerned with how his looked,

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so long as they worked.

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But the small size of the aids immediately became an issue for him.

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Well the main problem

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is it's a fiddly little thing to mess about with.

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-I can get them in.

-It takes a long time, doesn't it?

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I think the aid and its fittings are too small for Norman,

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because his hands are big and he has arthritis.

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After months of practice, Norman began to find it easier

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to put in the hearing aids,

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but as far as he was concerned, there was another problem.

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Well, on two or three occasions that little piece on the end,

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that goes right down into your ear...

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..it just didn't come out with the rest of it when you took them off.

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It was starting to look like Norman had spent £6,000 on hearing aids

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that were not necessarily the most

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suitable for him and it's money he may not even have had to spend,

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because the NHS can give similar aids for free.

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Norman hadn't known that

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and Hidden Hearing certainly didn't tell him.

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So would he have been eligible?

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We have arranged for audiologist Crystal Rolfe to check.

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OK, Norman, I'm going to start off by having a look in your ears, OK?

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One of the most important things to check

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is whether that person will be able to fit it into their ear,

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what their dexterity of their hands is like,

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because hearing aids can be difficult to get in.

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What I'm just going to do is just press the button for me

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every time you hear a sound.

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Norman would certainly be eligible for an NHS hearing aid.

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Based on the tests we did

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and talking to him about his dexterity in his fingers,

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I'd recommend the normal-sized hearing aids behind his ear,

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maybe not one of the very small ones,

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just to make it easier for him to hold.

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And you can get a couple of different designs I've got here,

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on the NHS that would be suitable for you.

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Whenever Norman has called into the shop and mentioned his concerns,

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the staff have offered to fit his hearing aids for him.

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But if he had to do that every time he has trouble,

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it would mean a special trip into town.

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We contacted Hidden Hearing on Norman's behalf.

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They insist his assessment met all required standards

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and good practice

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and the hearing aids he bought were believed appropriate.

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They say it would have been up to Norman's doctor

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to explain he was eligible for an NHS one.

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But in any case, the particular model he got

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would not have been available that way

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and they claim they don't have any record of any complaint.

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Although Norman insists he has raised it with staff at the shop.

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In 2010, Which? carried out an investigation

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into a variety of shops selling hearing aids.

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A third of the total number of stores they visited

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were considered to have poor clinical assessments.

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And one of the other high street chains

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even risked breaking the law,

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by giving misleading information about the NHS

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in order to promote their own products.

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Meanwhile Hidden Hearing say they're happy to discuss

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changing Norman's hearing aids for a different model,

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which could stop him worrying his expensive purchase

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will end up in the back of a drawer gathering dust.

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You lose confidence in them and don't bother to put them on,

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which is a blatant waste of money, isn't it?

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Today, we've been hearing from people

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who feel they've been slightly left behind

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by the phone and broadband companies,

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not able to communicate as fast as they'd like to.

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And that's how things used to be

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for the residents of the small fishing village of Robin Hood's Bay

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on the Yorkshire coast.

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But not any more.

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They got so fed up of being told they couldn't get broadband,

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they decided to do something about it.

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This is Robin Hood's Bay on the North Yorkshire coast.

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For years, this seaside village

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simply had no access to a broadband internet connection -

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until the residents took matters into their own hands.

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A local businessman, Cliff Southcombe, kicked things off

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after realising his old-school dial-up connection

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just wasn't coping with his business needs.

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People were using the internet more,

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businesses were using e-mail, Skype, those sort of things.

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So if things didn't change quickly,

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we would be in trouble.

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Worried that without broadband, his business could suffer,

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Cliff began looking for a solution.

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I spotted that there was a government-run scheme

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to try and encourage broadband in the region

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and a number of businesses were being offered free broadband

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through a satellite dish for a year.

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I applied and was fortunate enough

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to be one of the ones lucky enough to get it.

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And he loved having it.

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But, as the end of that free year approached,

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Cliff was left with two big problems.

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One was that, at the end of the year,

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I - or our business - was going to have to pay for that.

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And even at a cut rate, it was about £260 a month

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for the broadband.

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And secondly, it wasn't a good position

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to be the only one in the village with broadband.

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That was something that didn't seem fair.

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Cliff got together with some of the other locals

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and together they came up with the answer.

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They formed a cooperative company and used the technical know-how of a couple of residents

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to build their own broadband network

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using a system of boxes and aerials

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that could bounce the signal

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from one central point to everyone in the village.

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Their ramshackle system worked a treat.

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When, a few years later, BT installed an advanced telephone line,

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they were able to use that

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to iron out the final few problems.

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Another plus point was that, having Wi-Fi round the village,

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we have a lot of visitors coming to Robin Hood's Bay,

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so they could pick up broadband as well.

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And it provides a nice income for the cooperative as well

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to help us keep the prices down for those people who live here.

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In fact, the cooperative charges users

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just £5 a month for the service

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and it seems to be going from strength to strength.

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Other broadband services have since become available in the area,

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but many prefer to stick with the home-grown provider.

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It's cheap, reliable,

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always looking to extend and improve.

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The next thing we're looking at

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is the link to the fibre-optic cable in Whitby.

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We need to do that via a relay over the hill at High Normanby.

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And any customer service issues

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can easily be dealt with over a pint at the pub.

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Internet just didn't exist before we all got together.

0:25:280:25:33

Downloading a web page and you could go and have a cup of coffee

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and read the newspaper.

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Uploading web pages was a terrible business.

0:25:380:25:41

You hardly ever did it because it took so long.

0:25:410:25:45

What the locals have achieved here

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is something they think could easily be copied elsewhere.

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With a bit of determination and know-how,

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they've shown that, even if you have to do it yourself,

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it is possible to get online, even in the unlikeliest of places.

0:25:580:26:02

Here at Rip Off Britain,

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we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills?

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Trying to wade through endless small print

0:26:150:26:18

that leaves you none the wiser?

0:26:180:26:19

I might have been stupid for not reading it,

0:26:190:26:21

or I've read it and not took it in.

0:26:210:26:24

I could kick myself. I really could.

0:26:240:26:26

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out,

0:26:260:26:30

and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

0:26:300:26:34

I thought, "This cannot be true."

0:26:340:26:36

It's totally unacceptable. I was so angry.

0:26:360:26:40

Don't forget you can write to us at -

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Or send us an e-mail to -

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The Rip-Off Britain team is ready and waiting

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to investigate your stories.

0:27:010:27:03

And that is it for today.

0:27:050:27:07

But we can all learn something

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from the locals we saw earlier in Robin Hood's Bay.

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Didn't they do very well?

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If you are unhappy with service,

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not just from your broadband supplier,

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but anyone you do business with,

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then for goodness' sake, do something about it.

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At the very least, speak up and complain, is what we always say.

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Absolutely. Make your voices heard.

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Meanwhile, we are rather hoping

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that the government's plans to upgrade most of us

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to the fastest broadband system in Europe,

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is going to signal an end to the sort of problems

0:27:330:27:35

that you've been telling us about today.

0:27:350:27:37

But do let us know how things pan out in your area.

0:27:370:27:40

And also, if it looks like the communications revolution

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is leaving you behind.

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In the meantime, do join us again

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when we will be investigating more of your stories

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and showing you how to avoid being ripped off. Till next time, goodbye.

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-Bye-bye.

-From all of us, bye-bye.

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