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We asked you to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off,

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and you contacted us in your thousands, by post, e-mail,

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even stopping us on the streets. And the message could not be clearer.

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They are in it for what they can get, not to provide a service.

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I didn't sleep! It upset me so much that I didn't sleep.

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You've told us, with money tighter than ever,

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you need to be sure that every pound you spend is worth it.

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How do I get my money back? Because I just think I'm entitled to it.

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So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off,

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a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions, you know, go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories, your money - this is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and a very warm welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that battles on your behalf to find out exactly why,

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after handing over your cash,

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you may end up with nothing like you expected.

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Or indeed, as with some of the people we'll be hearing

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from today, you may end up with a big, fat zero, nothing at all.

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That's because when you sign up to a deal that doesn't materialise,

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it's very often because you've been persuaded to do so by either

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very convincing advertisements or smooth-talking salesmen.

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Now, of course,

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companies depend on both of those things to boost their profits.

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But in the situations you've been telling us about, too often,

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those profits can mean your loss.

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It's not always easy to tell

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whether some things are bargains or bogus, which is why,

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among our cases today, are people who have lost hundreds,

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even thousands of pounds, because of promises that haven't come true.

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But the good news is, we've got

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some excellent advice to stop the same thing happening to you.

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Coming up, some of the most memorable scams we've investigated before,

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including one that has cost this family hundreds of pounds.

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I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan, I'm also having

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to cover the costs that we have lost through applying for this loan.

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The promise of guaranteed cash prizes

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dropping through your letter box, but do they ever pay-out?

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This is a cheque for £20,500. And if it is lies or deceit, it's fraud.

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And our experts pop up in one of Britain's biggest shopping centres,

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to solve more of your problems face-to-face.

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Now, if you are someone who thinks that you are just too savvy

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to be taken in by a scam, don't be so sure.

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Because here is one that is not only fiendishly clever,

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but is very much on the rise.

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So, pay attention to how they do it, because remember,

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the next person they target could very well be you.

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Now, it's important to try and stay ahead of crooks and conmen,

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who employ cunning tactics to come up with ways to

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get their hands on your cash.

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Some scams may start with a simple phone call,

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as cake maker Fiona Keane discovered.

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Phoned on a Sunday night, about 9pm, by someone

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called Alex from the 24-hour fraud team,

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who seemed to know all my details,

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my name, my phone number, my address.

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And he said I had been a victim of a Section 24 fraud,

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my Barclaycard had been cloned and all my cards had been cloned.

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Claiming to be from Barclaycard,

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the man calling himself Alex told Fiona that her details were

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already being used to buy things like petrol

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and mobile phone credit, and to prove that it wasn't her racking up

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the cash, he needed to send a courier round to collect her cards.

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Immediately said, "I'm not handing my cards over to you."

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He said, no, no, it was a new system.

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If they put the card through the machine, it could be proved that

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I hadn't used the cards

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in the places where there had been activity,

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then I would definitely get the money back.

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The caller warned that if Fiona didn't cooperate,

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it was unlikely she would ever get her money back.

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But she refused to hand over her cards,

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and that is when things got really sneaky.

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When I was becoming suspicious, Alex asked me

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to phone the customer care number on the back of my Barclaycard,

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to verify that it was a genuine fraud.

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I put the phone down to Alex and picked up the phone,

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and I didn't listen for a dial tone, and then,

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I phoned the customer care line on the back of my Barclaycard and

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I got through to a person and said, you know, explained what happened.

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He said, "I'm just going to put you through to the fraud team."

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And immediately, I got through to this Alex.

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Although the whole situation felt quite strange,

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I was quite relieved to be put through

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to Barclaycard from the number I had called on the back of the card.

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But Fiona wasn't speaking to Barclaycard at all.

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Now, unbeknown to her, when she hung up the phone to this so-called Alex,

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he hadn't disconnected his end of the call and was still on the line.

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So, Fiona wasn't talking to a genuine fraud department.

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In fact, there is no such thing as Section 24 fraud.

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And whoever he really was,

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Alex certainly didn't work for Barclaycard.

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But his phone trick had won Fiona over

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and he kept her on the line until the courier arrived.

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He asked me to wrap the cards in tissue paper

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and to put it in an envelope and to write NW1 and then a code number.

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30 minutes into the call, a man arrived,

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ready to collect all six of Fiona's bank cards.

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I have to say, it did look a little bit shifty.

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When I was handing over the cards, I was shaking, because I was...

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I was giving away my personal things,

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and it's not something I would normally do.

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The courier left, supposedly taking the cards across London,

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to where they could be checked and a block put on them.

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And Alex said he needed Fiona to stay on the line until they arrived.

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I kept asking, "Can I put the phone down now?"

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He said, "No, no, no." And he said to me,

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"He's just going through security now,"

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to make it sound professional, like it was a police organisation.

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And he eventually got through, and that's when he asked me

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to read out the PIN numbers, so he could block them.

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Now eating out of the fraudsters' hands,

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Fiona proceeded to give them the PIN codes for five of her cards,

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and she was relieved when Alex said

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they could prove that she hadn't used them,

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and she would be getting all her money back

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if she unplugged her phone.

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He said to me,

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"We need your line, in order to wire the money back to you."

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And that he would tell me when to put the line back.

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By this time, it was almost 11pm

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and after being on the phone for two hours to Alex, whom Fiona,

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by the way, still believed was from Barclaycard's fraud team,

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she followed his instructions and disconnected her landline.

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I felt quite suspicious. I had never been asked to undo my phone line

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and I do realise now that it was so people couldn't contact me.

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So, as arranged, the fraudster rang Fiona again the next day,

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on her mobile,

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to update her on the progress supposedly being made with her case.

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He had been keeping in contact with me

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on my mobile phone at various times of day, just to tell me

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how things were going, and he said that they had the CCTV, they had the

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pictures of the people who actually had been defrauding my card.

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He was being very chatty and charming,

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and even though I had doubts at the back of my mind,

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I just kept saying to myself, "Oh, you're being silly," you know,

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"They are sorting it out for you." And he did say to me,

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"You won't need to contact your banks,

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"I'm dealing with that for you as well."

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The reassuring calls to Fiona's mobile continued,

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but when they stopped, she reconnected her landline.

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And that is when she was horrified to realise she'd been scammed.

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I found all the messages on the phone,

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people had been trying to contact me, the banks, M&S, to tell me.

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I actually felt sick.

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To have your cards actually taken from your own home is unbelievable

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and it is really quite shocking, and how smooth that happened.

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Fiona discovered that the fraudsters had quickly made

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full use of her cards.

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I can see that they were spending as soon as Sunday,

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so they got straight on to it.

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And for the next two days, they were spending large amounts.

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£400, £500, then into the thousands.

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The total amount they've spent on this particular card is £7,000,

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in fact, they maxed out my card.

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In total, the fraudsters spent £15,000.

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Luckily, Barclaycard provide customers with a fraud guarantee,

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so they won't lose out.

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And as Fiona could prove that she had been the victim of fraud,

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she got her money back within a week.

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Barclaycard told us that they are aware of this scam,

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but would never, ever call, asking for personal details

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or requiring cards to be returned.

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And anyone who receives a request like that should end the call.

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Meanwhile, although Fiona has her money back,

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she's now on a security register and will have to go through

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enhanced checks when trying to get credit in the future.

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I couldn't believe that had happened to me,

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because I'm not the sort of person who would give my cards away.

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The whole of this experience has really shaken me up,

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but I'm very relieved to have all my money back,

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and it is an extremely sophisticated scam.

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Well, fabulous news, of course, that Fiona has got her money back.

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But someone, somewhere, has still done very well out of that scam.

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So, Neil Aitken from the Payments Council is here,

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with advice on how to make sure, in similar situations,

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that you can protect yourself, and of course, your money.

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You might find that you're cold-called at home by someone posing

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either as someone from your bank or from the police.

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They might have a bit of personal information about you.

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They might know who you bank with,

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but they will reveal themselves to be fraudsters by the extra information

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they ask for that your bank or the police would never request from you.

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The thing to really watch out for is if they try

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and persuade you to enter your PIN.

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Now, that could be reading it out over the phone or that could be

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entering it into the telephone keypad.

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Your PIN is completely personal to you.

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No-one from your bank will ever request it.

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The scam develops and they tell you that they are going to send

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round a courier to pick up your card.

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Again, this should set alarm bells ringing immediately.

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Your bank or the police will never, ever

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send someone round to pick up your card.

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If this does happen, it means you know you're talking to a fraudster.

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They will try and win your trust by saying,

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"Call us back on the number on the back of your card."

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Now, what they will actually do is they will keep the phone line

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open at their end.

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They might even play the noise of a dial tone down the phone to

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persuade you that when you call back, you're speaking to the real deal.

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Take a minute. You don't need to call back immediately.

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If you have a mobile phone, call back on that on the advertised number you

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have and then you can be sure you're getting through to the right people.

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If you think you have been a victim of this fraud,

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contact the police straightaway then speak to your bank immediately.

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Report your card as lost and stolen.

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No-one who is an innocent victim of fraud will ever lose out financially.

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Now, unfortunately, there is always someone out there who is prepared

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to do absolutely anything to part you from your hard-earned cash.

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And they are always on the lookout for new ways in which they can

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do it, so you can bet that

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whenever some bright spark comes up with an idea that is supposed

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to make our lives easier, someone else is immediately

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going to find a way to turn that to their advantage.

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And judging from the e-mails and letters you have sent us this year,

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that is exactly what seems to be happening with Ukash vouchers,

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a very simple but increasingly popular way to make payments.

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But, scamsters are using them to rip you off,

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and here is how they are doing it.

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For Louise Beard and her soldier husband Lee, every penny counts.

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One step, two steps, tickles everywhere!

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Lee is often posted abroad, and while he is away,

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running the family finances falls on Louise's shoulders.

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That meant sorting out the final repayments on their car.

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They bought it on a deal where the biggest monthly payment was

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saved until last.

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One, two, three, up.

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So, a bill for almost £6,000 was looming.

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We bought a car on finance in 2009, and it was due to finish

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while my husband is away in Afghan.

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So I was looking online to see if I could get a loan that way.

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After she entered her details on a website,

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Louise was delighted to get a call offering her a £15,000 loan.

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Hoping that this was the answer to her financial worries,

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she checked out the credentials of the company,

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who called themselves CitiFinancial.

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I checked the Financial Services Authority number

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and the licence number.

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It all looked legit, so I went ahead with the £15,000 loan.

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As well as that research,

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she was sent an official-looking e-mail confirming her application.

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So, Louise was happy that this company was genuine.

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So when this so-called CitiFinancial got back in touch

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asking for a £215 fee to process her application, she wasn't worried.

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I just had to pay a small processing fee by Ukash voucher.

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And they also gave me the address of a local shop to go

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and collect the voucher from, which I was happy to because I did know

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that other companies do ask for a processing fee.

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Ukash vouchers are prepaid shopping vouchers that you can

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purchase at shops across the country.

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You buy a voucher for the amount that you want,

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then you use the unique number printed on it to spend the money.

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It's a quick and easy process, very similar to using cash

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because, once you have handed over the number,

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that's the money spent and there's no way of getting it back.

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I went into the local shop, I purchased a voucher,

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which had the voucher number on the receipt.

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I then came out the shop, phoned up the company,

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gave them the voucher number and the expiry date.

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Little did Louise know

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that the company was not who they said they were.

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But now, they had her hooked... Would you like some fish food?

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..and it was time to reel her in.

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An hour later, they called Louise again, suddenly changing the deal.

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They said my earnings weren't high enough, so I would need to purchase

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another Ukash voucher to prove that I could pay the monthly instalments.

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And I couldn't afford to lose the money that

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I had already put down, so I went and got the next voucher.

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Determined to get the loan sorted,

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Louise dashed to the shop to buy a second voucher, this time

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for £300, enough to cover the extra fee of £299.

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She then called the company, gave them the voucher number,

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but shortly afterwards, they rang her back.

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I was then told they couldn't use the voucher because it had to

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be for £299 only, and I would need to go and purchase one for 299.

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But I could still use the £300 one to pay my bills, my gas, my electric.

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So, I thought, well, that's OK, because I needed to pay them.

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So, Louise went out and bought a third voucher

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for the exact amount of £299.

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By now, she had handed over more than £800.

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And alarm bells started ringing

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when someone from the company rang her back yet again asking for MORE.

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He said to me that the money was all ready to go into my account

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but I would need to pay a soft electronic transfer,

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which I would get back soon as I had done it.

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But I would need to pay another lot of money.

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I then realised something wasn't right and I told him, I said

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to him, "Let's just forget about the application and refund my money."

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He then told me he couldn't do that and hung up the phone.

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I was gutted, I didn't know how to tell my husband. It was awful.

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I was devastated with it.

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And that devastation only got worse,

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because although the company had led Louise to believe that they would

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not be cashing in the second voucher for £300, they already had.

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They ended up cashing every voucher, which worked out about £815 in total.

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I don't even earn that in a month.

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When she told me, obviously, I was really gutted.

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I thought, like, it's quite a lot of money to lose in one go.

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You can only check everything that you know about and, obviously,

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these guys are working around that and doing a really good

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job at what they do, which is to con money out of normal people.

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Desperate to get their money back,

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Louise has tried calling the company on the number they gave her.

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There's no reply.

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It's just ringing like it always does.

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There is a genuine company with a similar name to the one the scamsters used.

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It is based in the city of London and called CitiFinancial Europe plc, part of Citigroup.

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But they no longer offer loans to new customers and now have a

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warning on their website about companies using names or reference

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numbers that are similar to theirs to scam you out of money.

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They advise anyone offered a loan in this way to contact the police.

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And whoever the scamsters really were,

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they were able to exploit the simplicity of Ukash vouchers

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to trick Louise out of over £800, money she could not afford to lose.

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I'm angry with it,

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because I was hoping to have it a bit easier when he is in Afghan.

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But it hasn't. It has put a lot more pressure on me

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because I'm not only having to cover costs for the loan, but I'm having

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to cover the costs that we have lost through applying for this loan.

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Well, later in the programme, we're going to be hearing more about

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situations where Ukash payments have been targeted by scamsters.

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And we're also going to be talking to the company behind the scheme

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to see what they have done to make it safe.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain,

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the mailshots that promise a life-changing sum of money.

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So what's the catch,

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and how likely is it that your money will ever arrive?

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My advice to anybody that gets this is, don't even look at it.

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Just stick it in the bin.

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Rip-Off Britain has come to the Northeast of England.

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Overnight, we've created a shop where anyone can pop in to receive

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instant advice from our team of consumer experts.

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The marvellous thing about you being quite early in the day, John,

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is the fact I can take you straight to the expert.

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Come on. Let's go for it! I know.

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First up to see our travel expert, Simon Calder, is John.

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He feels badly let down by his travel insurance company

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after his partner had an accident on holiday in Scotland.

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We got to Bute, went out walking, she fell and broke her wrist.

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It involved us in taxis, trips to the mainland for X-rays.

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In total, the costs came to about £135.

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So, we put the insurance claim in,

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we got a letter back to say that this insurance policy does not

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cover us for the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man.

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Here we are, here we are.

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In the section the Emergency, Medical and Treatment Expenses,

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it very specifically says this section does not apply to

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trips within the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man if you live there.

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What should they have done?

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The advice is, unless there is a very particular reason that

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you would want to get insurance for a UK trip, don't bother.

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Will you take this issue up on behalf of John? I most certainly am.

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I want to find out, first of all, how they can possibly be

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selling insurance at that price - £55 for five days in Scotland.

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I don't know if we have, legally, a leg to stand on,

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but morally, I'm afraid this is an almighty rip-off.

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Are you a happy man, John? Very much so.

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Brilliant. Thank you very much indeed.

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Our pop-up shop has certainly drawn the crowds, and our experts

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are being kept busy with an extraordinary range of problems.

0:21:100:21:13

Good heavens above! Sarah, what is the legal position here?

0:21:130:21:18

If nobody is offering you any financial recompense,

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then you may have to consider going through the courts.

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Michael has been left with an expensive repair bill

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after his car was damaged by a pothole,

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and wants some advice on what to do next with his claim

0:21:280:21:31

after his local authority's insurer refused to pay out.

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They wouldn't accept a claim for damage

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against a third party's insurer.

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I didn't know where to turn next.

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The difficulty here is you're not a client of the local

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authority's insurer, so you don't have that same protection that you

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do, you know, if it was your own insurance policy.

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So, there are a couple of other options open to you.

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One of them, you probably considered, which is

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to make a claim on your own car insurance policy.

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But, of course, you've then got your own excess to pay,

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that damages your own claims record.

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The only other option open to you now is to

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think about complaining to the Local Government Ombudsman.

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At least you will get an independent set of eyes looking over your case.

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Well, I have records from the insurance company which

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show that the last time the road was surveyed was in February.

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And no survey exists for March. The accident was in April.

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Well, that sounds like that could be a key piece of evidence

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and, you know, that evidence is all stuff that should be

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put in your claim to the Local Government Ombudsman.

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Best of luck with it, let's hope you get that insurer to pay out.

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I will certainly do that, and thanks very much for your advice.

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Now, if you're really being honest, which one of us hasn't at some

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stage dreamt of what we would do if we won that small fortune in cash.

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So imagine how you would feel if you suddenly received

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a letter in the post saying that you had won thousands of pounds.

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Not that you stood a chance of winning it,

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but that already the money was definitely yours.

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Now, you would probably think it was all too good to be true,

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but then again, when it is all there written in black and white, you

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might also hope for the best and wait for your windfall to arrive.

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Well, Alan Downing received a letter just like that.

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So, was Lady Luck truly on his side, and if not,

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what was really going on?

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On average, every household receives 377 pieces of junk mail

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through its letter box each year, and it can be very hard to

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decide what is junk and what is a genuine offer or promise.

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A dilemma faced by Alan Downing,

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when he started getting letters saying he had won huge cash prizes.

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"With the confirmation of the amount,

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"we hereby confirm that the amount of this cheque is £15,500."

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We go 15,500...15,500...

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15,500...

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and 20,500.

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If all this did come to me,

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I would be one of the richest men in Manchester.

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The letters came from a mail order company called Star Shopping,

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which has a PO address in Dublin.

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They also sent Alan a catalogue of products.

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I'm reading it, the products in it didn't really interest me

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in the first place, but then I started thinking,

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"They've told me I've won 20,500 here."

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More than that, they guaranteed it.

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So, with such a clear promise,

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well, 72-year-old Alan just couldn't resist replying.

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When I saw the documents, I thought,

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"Well, we can all do with £20,500 for doing nothing."

0:24:510:24:54

I was quite wary that it was going to be a scam,

0:24:540:24:57

but I thought, I'll continue it, cos it will only cost me a stamp.

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And, well, somebody might be silly enough at the other end to

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actually make a cheque out for me.

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Star Shopping quickly wrote back, not with a cheque,

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but with an assurance that if he ordered something

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from the catalogue, the money would be sent right away.

0:25:140:25:17

The catalogue said I didn't have to buy anything,

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but if I did, it would speed it up.

0:25:210:25:24

So, Alan placed an order.

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I got the goods.

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I got this plastic squeegee thing on a piece of plastic, but no cheque.

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And, funnily enough, there still hasn't been.

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Although, over the next six months, Alan received

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a further 25 letters insisting that the money was still waiting for him

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at Star Shopping's headquarters,

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and all he had to do to get it was order more.

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20,500, this one!

0:25:500:25:52

"Mr Downing, this is the best day of your life."

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I thought that was my wedding day.

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"You are the one and only lucky winning beneficiary of the big

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"bank cheque for 20,500."

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They don't give up with this.

0:26:080:26:09

I'm afraid Alan has given up on ever receiving his prize.

0:26:110:26:15

Still, at least he didn't waste too much money.

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Unlike John Cooper from Bournemouth.

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He received the same letters from Star Shopping

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and indeed from other mail-order companies, some of which appear to be connected.

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He was also told that as soon as he ordered from the catalogues,

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his five-figure prize would be on its way.

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I've probably placed about 16 to 18 orders with Star,

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and with the other mail-order firms, probably about another ten.

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Generally speaking,

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I suppose the orders would come to about £15 to £20 each time.

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Mainly small, domestic items, bottles of fluid for cleaning

0:26:510:26:56

plastic, windows and chairs,

0:26:560:26:59

some crystals for putting down drains to unblock them.

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Nothing very exciting.

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When John contacted Star Shopping to see where his winner's cheque

0:27:060:27:10

was, three of the company directors assured him

0:27:100:27:13

in writing that it would he sent to him shortly.

0:27:130:27:15

All three of them had signed a document confirming that

0:27:150:27:19

I had won that money.

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So I was just waiting for the cheque to come through the post,

0:27:210:27:24

but, of course, I'm still waiting.

0:27:240:27:26

Now, believing that his winnings were on their way,

0:27:260:27:30

John spent £350 on Star Shopping products alone.

0:27:300:27:34

He also spent almost £200 on goods from the other catalogues

0:27:340:27:38

because they, too, promised that he had won big cash prizes.

0:27:380:27:43

There's probably about 300 different pamphlets,

0:27:430:27:46

envelopes and letters, all of which are clearly pointing

0:27:460:27:50

out that a massive prize has been won by myself.

0:27:500:27:55

This is a cheque for £20,500.

0:27:550:27:59

"It is not a discount voucher but a real first-prize bank cheque."

0:27:590:28:05

That is just one indication.

0:28:050:28:07

I was the only person getting the prize.

0:28:070:28:10

I mean, I wouldn't have expected that to be true,

0:28:100:28:13

but when somebody makes a statement like that in business,

0:28:130:28:16

under contract, and firms make that contract, they must stand by it.

0:28:160:28:22

If it is lies or deceit, it's fraud.

0:28:220:28:25

Now, you may also have received catalogues like these.

0:28:280:28:31

Many of them have addresses in either the Netherlands or Belgium,

0:28:310:28:34

and several of them

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have links to a Belgian mail order company, D Duchesne SA,

0:28:360:28:40

a business that the Office of Fair Trading

0:28:400:28:42

has taken action against in the past,

0:28:420:28:44

all as part of an ongoing battle about these kinds of prize draws.

0:28:440:28:48

But I'm afraid that hasn't stopped the same sort

0:28:480:28:51

of misleading letters being sent to countless households across the UK.

0:28:510:28:56

We contacted all the companies who had written to John to ask

0:28:560:28:59

why neither he nor anyone else we have heard from has ever

0:28:590:29:03

received the prize they were supposedly guaranteed.

0:29:030:29:06

Not one of them replied.

0:29:060:29:07

John still can't believe that they're able to make such

0:29:110:29:14

big claims without delivering on their promises.

0:29:140:29:17

Perhaps a person listening to this might say "He was naive,

0:29:170:29:22

"I would never fall for that." Well, my view is that firms

0:29:220:29:27

should not be able to make these sort of offers.

0:29:270:29:31

They should be heavily penalised.

0:29:310:29:33

They made these false promises and kept on repeating the promises

0:29:330:29:37

when they were complete lies.

0:29:370:29:40

And Alan has some words of wisdom for anyone who receives

0:29:400:29:43

a letter like this, suggesting they have won a cash prize.

0:29:430:29:47

My advice to anyone who gets these is don't even look at.

0:29:470:29:50

Just stick it in the bin. Or return to sender.

0:29:500:29:53

Cos you're not going to get it.

0:29:530:29:55

If you have ever been tempted by a deal or a promise that is not what

0:29:560:30:00

it seems, or is just too good to be true, here's how to resist it.

0:30:000:30:06

The first thing is that if someone calls your house to try to

0:30:060:30:08

sell you something, don't feel under pressure.

0:30:080:30:11

It is quite likely that the sales man or woman will be under

0:30:110:30:14

pressure themselves because they will have sales targets to meet.

0:30:140:30:17

That is their problem and not yours.

0:30:170:30:20

Take your time and only buy something if you want to buy it

0:30:200:30:24

and you want to buy it there and then.

0:30:240:30:26

If not, just say no.

0:30:260:30:27

If you buy something at home or at your office, basically,

0:30:290:30:31

away from the normal place where the company does its business

0:30:310:30:34

you have some fairly good rights.

0:30:340:30:36

You have the right to cancel within seven days

0:30:360:30:39

and that seven days starts from when you were given the information

0:30:390:30:42

about your cancellation rights which may not be when you actually sign up.

0:30:420:30:46

If you're getting plagued by lots of doorstep sellers you might

0:30:470:30:50

want to consider setting up a no-cold-calling zone.

0:30:500:30:53

It is something that your local trading standards

0:30:530:30:56

and the police can organise for you.

0:30:560:30:58

It is not an automatic right, normally there has to be a certain

0:30:580:31:01

amount of either old or vulnerable people living in your area.

0:31:010:31:05

If you are fed up with junk mail coming shooting through your

0:31:050:31:08

letter box, I suggest that you sign up with a Mailing Preference Scheme.

0:31:080:31:12

That means that companies that you do not have any business with

0:31:120:31:15

will not be able to send you junk mail.

0:31:150:31:17

You will still get some marketing information from companies

0:31:170:31:20

like your bank or your energy supplier.

0:31:200:31:23

Signing up for the Mailing Preference Scheme won't necessarily mean

0:31:230:31:26

that you stop getting those dodgy letters saying that you

0:31:260:31:28

have won a lottery that you have never entered or that you have

0:31:280:31:31

won a prize competition. Generally, these offers are dodgy.

0:31:310:31:35

Don't even open the envelope. Shred it or get rid of it.

0:31:350:31:39

If you reply to one of these companies,

0:31:390:31:41

you could find your name is put on what is called a "suckers list."

0:31:410:31:45

That means that your details will be traded

0:31:450:31:47

with other would-be fraudsters.

0:31:470:31:48

Earlier in the programme we heard how an increasingly popular

0:31:510:31:55

form of payment can be exploited by companies determined to rip you off.

0:31:550:32:00

Ukash vouchers as they are called are a perfectly legitimate

0:32:000:32:03

and apparently easy way of paying for things.

0:32:030:32:06

In some parts of the country, Trading Standards officers

0:32:060:32:09

are warning of scams, which mean you could end up out of pocket.

0:32:090:32:13

So, could it be that Ukash vouchers are just too simple to use?

0:32:130:32:18

Karen McCracken from Nottinghamshire was thrilled

0:32:220:32:25

when she received a call from a withheld number claiming

0:32:250:32:28

she had won some money.

0:32:280:32:30

'They phoned up at 10.30 in the morning, saying that'

0:32:300:32:33

I had won this £10,000, and it was from Royal Mail.

0:32:330:32:38

'It was quite exciting, to be fair, I must admit.'

0:32:380:32:41

But to claim it, they asked her for a £50 admin fee, which she

0:32:410:32:45

would have to pay using a Ukash voucher.

0:32:450:32:47

Well, I said that I would have to speak to my husband about it,

0:32:470:32:50

and they turned around and said,

0:32:500:32:52

"You don't need your husband's permission for this.

0:32:520:32:54

I says, "Well, I think I do,

0:32:540:32:56

"cos I haven't got that kind of money to give you anyway."

0:32:560:32:59

And he says, "Oh," he says, "I'll phone you back on Monday."

0:32:590:33:04

He did call back on Monday morning,

0:33:040:33:07

still falsely claiming to be from Royal Mail,

0:33:070:33:10

but when Karen declined the offer, he became aggressive, insisting

0:33:100:33:14

they must have that admin fee whether she wanted her prize or not.

0:33:140:33:19

'They just kept saying that I would need a solicitor, and he went,'

0:33:190:33:22

"I'm going to send the police round to your door

0:33:220:33:24

"to get this money, because you're breaking the law not giving me it."

0:33:240:33:28

'And it got me really scared, to be honest.'

0:33:280:33:30

Then, when I come off the phone, I cried.

0:33:300:33:35

Karen didn't fall for what the man was saying but only

0:33:350:33:38

because the previous year, she had been targeted in a similar way.

0:33:380:33:43

She had again been told that to claim a £10,000 cash prize,

0:33:430:33:47

she would have to pay an admin fee, and that time, she had done it.

0:33:470:33:52

They told me I needed a Ukash voucher and they then told me

0:33:520:33:55

where the shop was, what street it was on and stuff like...

0:33:550:33:59

And I had never heard of them before.

0:33:590:34:02

The woman on the phone said that she would call back

0:34:020:34:04

once Karen had bought the Ukash voucher,

0:34:040:34:06

to get the unique code number printed on it.

0:34:060:34:08

So, I went and got the £50 voucher,

0:34:080:34:11

and then they said that that would be it, I would get the cheque.

0:34:110:34:15

Karen had just unwittingly handed over £50 she would never see again.

0:34:150:34:21

The woman who called her

0:34:210:34:22

was using the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to scam her.

0:34:220:34:26

Karen only realised that when her winnings failed to arrive.

0:34:260:34:32

'The cheque never come after Christmas, cos we thought,'

0:34:320:34:35

"Oh, Christmas time, it'll be lovely.

0:34:350:34:37

"We'll get the kids something nice." But it never come.

0:34:370:34:41

Ukash is a convenient way of paying online at websites

0:34:410:34:44

if you don't have a bank account or debit or credit cards,

0:34:440:34:47

but once you have handed over the serial number,

0:34:470:34:50

the payment is completely untraceable.

0:34:500:34:53

It is as if you had used cash, and, unlike using a credit or debit card,

0:34:530:34:57

you have absolutely no protection...

0:34:570:35:00

as Karen learned the hard way.

0:35:000:35:03

Then I went, "Oh, we've lost 50 quid."

0:35:040:35:06

And it was my last 50 quid out of my bank, to be fair.

0:35:060:35:10

Cos we didn't get paid till the week after.

0:35:100:35:12

After the second incident, she reported the calls to the police

0:35:160:35:19

and to Nottinghamshire Trading Standards,

0:35:190:35:22

who issued a warning about the scam.

0:35:220:35:24

These particular kind of cold calls are particularly difficult

0:35:240:35:29

because of the aggression that is used.

0:35:290:35:31

'They are possibly targeting people who haven't got the facility

0:35:310:35:34

'to use credit cards and debit cards so readily.'

0:35:340:35:36

Ukash vouchers are a brilliant idea.

0:35:360:35:39

They work in a lot of circumstances, but you do need to remember that

0:35:390:35:42

when you give that number over, it is effectively handing the cash over.

0:35:420:35:46

Across the UK, whether it is on the phone or online,

0:35:460:35:49

Ukash vouchers are being exploited by crooks in all sorts of ways.

0:35:490:35:53

In London, conmen have claimed to be police,

0:35:530:35:56

needing a fee paid with Ukash to remove illegal content from PCs.

0:35:560:36:00

In Dunbartonshire, targets have been told

0:36:000:36:02

they are entitled to money from unclaimed insurance policies.

0:36:020:36:06

And in Gloucestershire, a scam was more elaborate still.

0:36:060:36:10

A woman reported handing £600 worth of Ukash vouchers to a man

0:36:100:36:15

who had first rung to say she was entitled

0:36:150:36:17

to £4,000 worth of mis-sold PPI, then turned up at her house

0:36:170:36:22

with very convincing forms for her to sign.

0:36:220:36:26

So, it looks as if the only way to avoid being stung like Karen is to

0:36:270:36:31

make sure you only give

0:36:310:36:32

a Ukash code to someone you're sure is legitimate.

0:36:320:36:36

Otherwise, whatever yarn you're being spun, chances are it's a con.

0:36:360:36:42

I think they're actually picking on people that need the money

0:36:420:36:44

and they're vulnerable anyway, so they're going to take the money.

0:36:440:36:48

Very nasty people.

0:36:480:36:50

So, are Ukash doing enough to keep consumers safe?

0:36:540:36:57

'Let's see what the company's chief executive David Hunter has to say

0:36:570:37:00

'about the way that the system is being abused.'

0:37:000:37:04

David I have to confess that I had never heard of Ukash,

0:37:040:37:07

so shall we start by you explaining exactly what Ukash is.

0:37:070:37:12

Ukash is designed to be a safe and simple way for people to spend

0:37:120:37:16

cash on the internet via our voucher system.

0:37:160:37:20

People can go to the corner shop or anywhere they might get

0:37:200:37:23

a mobile top up, present your cash

0:37:230:37:25

and ask for a Ukash voucher in return.

0:37:250:37:27

With a unique 19-digit code on it which represents that value.

0:37:290:37:32

It is a bit like an electronic banknote.

0:37:320:37:36

You're swapping a physical banknote for an electronic banknote.

0:37:360:37:39

So, if you take the case like the one that we're dealing with here,

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what went wrong with that because I am sure

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you are going to tell me that your system is

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meant to be watertight with this code number and so on.

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Well, of course, in fact we know of not one single breach of,

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or somebody guessing a number and spending it as their own

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because there are so many billions of permutations. Each number is unique.

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What happened in this case was that she was contacted by a cold caller

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who was literally trying to scam or extract money from her and

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other people and they asked her to go to a local shop to get Ukash for

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them and she was asked to tell them the unique number over the telephone.

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Which, I must say,

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is just the same as giving real cash away at your front door.

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You use the word "scam" and obviously this is one case,

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but I presume there are others.

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What other means do you know of where people are getting round your

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system or rather using Ukash as a way of getting money out of people?

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Scams exist and always have done and always will do.

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Often they will move to other means of executing their scam.

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I think what has happened here is that as Ukash has become

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more popular and available and convenient for people to buy.

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These criminals are exploiting the fact that people can be

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convinced to use the product in a way it's not designed to be used,

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against our strict terms of use, against the alerts we have

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put on the vouchers saying, "Please do not give details away to anybody.

0:39:150:39:19

"Only use at participating Ukash websites." This has been exploited.

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So, David, what it is the key advice you would give people to make sure

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they don't get taken for a ride and don't have their money taken?

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I think it is really important that people recognise this is like cash.

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That number, that is the security of their value.

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Please don't give that to anybody, over the phone or by e-mail,

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unless you want them to have the value.

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It is the same as you giving them a bank note of that value.

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Please only use our participating websites, you can

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see a full list of those websites on the Ukash.com

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and please only take the warnings that you see on the voucher.

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Treat like cash. Don't give it to anybody else.

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If you do feel that you might have been compromised or if you have given

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the voucher to somebody, contact us immediately because if you contact us

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immediately and the voucher is not spent, we can block it for you.

0:40:080:40:12

David, thank you. Thank you.

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Here at Rip-off Britain we are always ready to investigate

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more of your stories. Confused over your bills?

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Trying to wade through never-ending small print?

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People should read it but it is not in plain English,

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it should be simple, you know, ABC, basic stuff.

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Unsure what to do when you discover you have lost out

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and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

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You go home and get your bill and it is like £70

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when it is meant to be £35.

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And you basically get ripped off, don't you?

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You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share

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the mistakes you have made with us so that others do not do the same.

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We paid them good money to act in our best interest. They did not.

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You can write to us at:

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Or send us an e-mail:

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The rip-off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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Well, fortunately, most businesses, thank goodness,

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don't actually set out to deliberately fleece you

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but there will always be a minority determined to do exactly that.

0:41:310:41:35

So, while it seems unfortunately unlikely that everyone that we

0:41:350:41:38

have met today is ever going to get their money back,

0:41:380:41:41

we do hope that at least by sharing their stories with you we have given

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you an idea of some of the things that you need to watch out for.

0:41:450:41:48

In particular, be extra careful before agreeing to any promise

0:41:480:41:52

that comes right out of the blue.

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Whether it is in the post online or on the phone.

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Don't be rushed or pressurised into making a decision straightaway.

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Do take the time to do some research just in case someone is trying

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to rip you off.

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Well, with that excellent advice that is all

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we have got time for today.

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Thank you for joining us and please do keep sending us your stories.

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We will be back to investigate more of them soon

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but in the meantime, from all of us here, bye-bye.

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