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We asked you to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off, | 0:00:01 | 0:00:05 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands, by post, e-mail, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
even stopping us on the streets. And the message could not be clearer. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
They are in it for what they can get, not to provide a service. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
I didn't sleep! It upset me so much that I didn't sleep. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
You've told us, with money tighter than ever, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
you need to be sure that every pound you spend is worth it. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
How do I get my money back? Because I just think I'm entitled to it. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
we'll find out why you are out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Keep asking the questions, you know, go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
We do get results, that's the interesting thing. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Your stories, your money - this is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Hello, and a very warm welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
the series that battles on your behalf to find out exactly why, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
after handing over your cash, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
you may end up with nothing like you expected. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Or indeed, as with some of the people we'll be hearing | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
from today, you may end up with a big, fat zero, nothing at all. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
That's because when you sign up to a deal that doesn't materialise, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
it's very often because you've been persuaded to do so by either | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
very convincing advertisements or smooth-talking salesmen. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Now, of course, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
companies depend on both of those things to boost their profits. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
But in the situations you've been telling us about, too often, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
those profits can mean your loss. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It's not always easy to tell | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
whether some things are bargains or bogus, which is why, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
among our cases today, are people who have lost hundreds, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
even thousands of pounds, because of promises that haven't come true. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
But the good news is, we've got | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
some excellent advice to stop the same thing happening to you. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
Coming up, some of the most memorable scams we've investigated before, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
including one that has cost this family hundreds of pounds. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan, I'm also having | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
to cover the costs that we have lost through applying for this loan. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
The promise of guaranteed cash prizes | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
dropping through your letter box, but do they ever pay-out? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
This is a cheque for £20,500. And if it is lies or deceit, it's fraud. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:25 | |
And our experts pop up in one of Britain's biggest shopping centres, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
to solve more of your problems face-to-face. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Now, if you are someone who thinks that you are just too savvy | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
to be taken in by a scam, don't be so sure. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Because here is one that is not only fiendishly clever, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
but is very much on the rise. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
So, pay attention to how they do it, because remember, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
the next person they target could very well be you. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Now, it's important to try and stay ahead of crooks and conmen, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
who employ cunning tactics to come up with ways to | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
get their hands on your cash. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Some scams may start with a simple phone call, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
as cake maker Fiona Keane discovered. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Phoned on a Sunday night, about 9pm, by someone | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
called Alex from the 24-hour fraud team, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
who seemed to know all my details, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
my name, my phone number, my address. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
And he said I had been a victim of a Section 24 fraud, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
my Barclaycard had been cloned and all my cards had been cloned. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Claiming to be from Barclaycard, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
the man calling himself Alex told Fiona that her details were | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
already being used to buy things like petrol | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and mobile phone credit, and to prove that it wasn't her racking up | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
the cash, he needed to send a courier round to collect her cards. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
Immediately said, "I'm not handing my cards over to you." | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
He said, no, no, it was a new system. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
If they put the card through the machine, it could be proved that | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
I hadn't used the cards | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
in the places where there had been activity, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
then I would definitely get the money back. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
The caller warned that if Fiona didn't cooperate, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
it was unlikely she would ever get her money back. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
But she refused to hand over her cards, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and that is when things got really sneaky. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
When I was becoming suspicious, Alex asked me | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
to phone the customer care number on the back of my Barclaycard, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
to verify that it was a genuine fraud. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
I put the phone down to Alex and picked up the phone, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
and I didn't listen for a dial tone, and then, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
I phoned the customer care line on the back of my Barclaycard and | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
I got through to a person and said, you know, explained what happened. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
He said, "I'm just going to put you through to the fraud team." | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
And immediately, I got through to this Alex. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Although the whole situation felt quite strange, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
I was quite relieved to be put through | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
to Barclaycard from the number I had called on the back of the card. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
But Fiona wasn't speaking to Barclaycard at all. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
Now, unbeknown to her, when she hung up the phone to this so-called Alex, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
he hadn't disconnected his end of the call and was still on the line. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
So, Fiona wasn't talking to a genuine fraud department. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
In fact, there is no such thing as Section 24 fraud. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
And whoever he really was, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
Alex certainly didn't work for Barclaycard. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
But his phone trick had won Fiona over | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
and he kept her on the line until the courier arrived. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
He asked me to wrap the cards in tissue paper | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
and to put it in an envelope and to write NW1 and then a code number. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
30 minutes into the call, a man arrived, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
ready to collect all six of Fiona's bank cards. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
I have to say, it did look a little bit shifty. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
When I was handing over the cards, I was shaking, because I was... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
I was giving away my personal things, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and it's not something I would normally do. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
The courier left, supposedly taking the cards across London, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
to where they could be checked and a block put on them. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
And Alex said he needed Fiona to stay on the line until they arrived. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
I kept asking, "Can I put the phone down now?" | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
He said, "No, no, no." And he said to me, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
"He's just going through security now," | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
to make it sound professional, like it was a police organisation. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
And he eventually got through, and that's when he asked me | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
to read out the PIN numbers, so he could block them. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Now eating out of the fraudsters' hands, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Fiona proceeded to give them the PIN codes for five of her cards, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
and she was relieved when Alex said | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
they could prove that she hadn't used them, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
and she would be getting all her money back | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
if she unplugged her phone. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
He said to me, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
"We need your line, in order to wire the money back to you." | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
And that he would tell me when to put the line back. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
By this time, it was almost 11pm | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
and after being on the phone for two hours to Alex, whom Fiona, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
by the way, still believed was from Barclaycard's fraud team, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
she followed his instructions and disconnected her landline. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
I felt quite suspicious. I had never been asked to undo my phone line | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
and I do realise now that it was so people couldn't contact me. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
So, as arranged, the fraudster rang Fiona again the next day, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
on her mobile, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
to update her on the progress supposedly being made with her case. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
He had been keeping in contact with me | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
on my mobile phone at various times of day, just to tell me | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
how things were going, and he said that they had the CCTV, they had the | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
pictures of the people who actually had been defrauding my card. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
He was being very chatty and charming, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and even though I had doubts at the back of my mind, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
I just kept saying to myself, "Oh, you're being silly," you know, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
"They are sorting it out for you." And he did say to me, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
"You won't need to contact your banks, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
"I'm dealing with that for you as well." | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
The reassuring calls to Fiona's mobile continued, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
but when they stopped, she reconnected her landline. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
And that is when she was horrified to realise she'd been scammed. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
I found all the messages on the phone, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
people had been trying to contact me, the banks, M&S, to tell me. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
I actually felt sick. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
To have your cards actually taken from your own home is unbelievable | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
and it is really quite shocking, and how smooth that happened. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Fiona discovered that the fraudsters had quickly made | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
full use of her cards. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
I can see that they were spending as soon as Sunday, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
so they got straight on to it. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
And for the next two days, they were spending large amounts. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
£400, £500, then into the thousands. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
The total amount they've spent on this particular card is £7,000, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
in fact, they maxed out my card. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
In total, the fraudsters spent £15,000. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
Luckily, Barclaycard provide customers with a fraud guarantee, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
so they won't lose out. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
And as Fiona could prove that she had been the victim of fraud, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
she got her money back within a week. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Barclaycard told us that they are aware of this scam, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
but would never, ever call, asking for personal details | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
or requiring cards to be returned. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
And anyone who receives a request like that should end the call. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Meanwhile, although Fiona has her money back, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
she's now on a security register and will have to go through | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
enhanced checks when trying to get credit in the future. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
I couldn't believe that had happened to me, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
because I'm not the sort of person who would give my cards away. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
The whole of this experience has really shaken me up, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
but I'm very relieved to have all my money back, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
and it is an extremely sophisticated scam. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
Well, fabulous news, of course, that Fiona has got her money back. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
But someone, somewhere, has still done very well out of that scam. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
So, Neil Aitken from the Payments Council is here, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
with advice on how to make sure, in similar situations, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
that you can protect yourself, and of course, your money. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
You might find that you're cold-called at home by someone posing | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
either as someone from your bank or from the police. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
They might have a bit of personal information about you. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
They might know who you bank with, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
but they will reveal themselves to be fraudsters by the extra information | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
they ask for that your bank or the police would never request from you. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
The thing to really watch out for is if they try | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
and persuade you to enter your PIN. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
Now, that could be reading it out over the phone or that could be | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
entering it into the telephone keypad. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Your PIN is completely personal to you. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
No-one from your bank will ever request it. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
The scam develops and they tell you that they are going to send | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
round a courier to pick up your card. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Again, this should set alarm bells ringing immediately. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
Your bank or the police will never, ever | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
send someone round to pick up your card. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
If this does happen, it means you know you're talking to a fraudster. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
They will try and win your trust by saying, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
"Call us back on the number on the back of your card." | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Now, what they will actually do is they will keep the phone line | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
open at their end. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
They might even play the noise of a dial tone down the phone to | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
persuade you that when you call back, you're speaking to the real deal. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
Take a minute. You don't need to call back immediately. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
If you have a mobile phone, call back on that on the advertised number you | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
have and then you can be sure you're getting through to the right people. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
If you think you have been a victim of this fraud, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
contact the police straightaway then speak to your bank immediately. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Report your card as lost and stolen. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
No-one who is an innocent victim of fraud will ever lose out financially. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Now, unfortunately, there is always someone out there who is prepared | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
to do absolutely anything to part you from your hard-earned cash. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
And they are always on the lookout for new ways in which they can | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
do it, so you can bet that | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
whenever some bright spark comes up with an idea that is supposed | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
to make our lives easier, someone else is immediately | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
going to find a way to turn that to their advantage. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
And judging from the e-mails and letters you have sent us this year, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
that is exactly what seems to be happening with Ukash vouchers, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
a very simple but increasingly popular way to make payments. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
But, scamsters are using them to rip you off, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
and here is how they are doing it. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
For Louise Beard and her soldier husband Lee, every penny counts. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
One step, two steps, tickles everywhere! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
Lee is often posted abroad, and while he is away, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
running the family finances falls on Louise's shoulders. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
That meant sorting out the final repayments on their car. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
They bought it on a deal where the biggest monthly payment was | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
saved until last. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
One, two, three, up. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
So, a bill for almost £6,000 was looming. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
We bought a car on finance in 2009, and it was due to finish | 0:13:11 | 0:13:19 | |
while my husband is away in Afghan. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
So I was looking online to see if I could get a loan that way. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
After she entered her details on a website, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Louise was delighted to get a call offering her a £15,000 loan. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
Hoping that this was the answer to her financial worries, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
she checked out the credentials of the company, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
who called themselves CitiFinancial. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
I checked the Financial Services Authority number | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
and the licence number. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
It all looked legit, so I went ahead with the £15,000 loan. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
As well as that research, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
she was sent an official-looking e-mail confirming her application. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
So, Louise was happy that this company was genuine. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
So when this so-called CitiFinancial got back in touch | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
asking for a £215 fee to process her application, she wasn't worried. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
I just had to pay a small processing fee by Ukash voucher. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
And they also gave me the address of a local shop to go | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
and collect the voucher from, which I was happy to because I did know | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
that other companies do ask for a processing fee. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Ukash vouchers are prepaid shopping vouchers that you can | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
purchase at shops across the country. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
You buy a voucher for the amount that you want, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
then you use the unique number printed on it to spend the money. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
It's a quick and easy process, very similar to using cash | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
because, once you have handed over the number, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
that's the money spent and there's no way of getting it back. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
I went into the local shop, I purchased a voucher, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
which had the voucher number on the receipt. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
I then came out the shop, phoned up the company, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
gave them the voucher number and the expiry date. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Little did Louise know | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
that the company was not who they said they were. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
But now, they had her hooked... Would you like some fish food? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
..and it was time to reel her in. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
An hour later, they called Louise again, suddenly changing the deal. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
They said my earnings weren't high enough, so I would need to purchase | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
another Ukash voucher to prove that I could pay the monthly instalments. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:28 | |
And I couldn't afford to lose the money that | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
I had already put down, so I went and got the next voucher. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
Determined to get the loan sorted, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Louise dashed to the shop to buy a second voucher, this time | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
for £300, enough to cover the extra fee of £299. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
She then called the company, gave them the voucher number, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
but shortly afterwards, they rang her back. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
I was then told they couldn't use the voucher because it had to | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
be for £299 only, and I would need to go and purchase one for 299. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
But I could still use the £300 one to pay my bills, my gas, my electric. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
So, I thought, well, that's OK, because I needed to pay them. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
So, Louise went out and bought a third voucher | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
for the exact amount of £299. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
By now, she had handed over more than £800. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
And alarm bells started ringing | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
when someone from the company rang her back yet again asking for MORE. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
He said to me that the money was all ready to go into my account | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
but I would need to pay a soft electronic transfer, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
which I would get back soon as I had done it. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
But I would need to pay another lot of money. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
I then realised something wasn't right and I told him, I said | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
to him, "Let's just forget about the application and refund my money." | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
He then told me he couldn't do that and hung up the phone. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
I was gutted, I didn't know how to tell my husband. It was awful. | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
I was devastated with it. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
And that devastation only got worse, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
because although the company had led Louise to believe that they would | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
not be cashing in the second voucher for £300, they already had. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
They ended up cashing every voucher, which worked out about £815 in total. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
I don't even earn that in a month. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
When she told me, obviously, I was really gutted. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
I thought, like, it's quite a lot of money to lose in one go. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
You can only check everything that you know about and, obviously, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
these guys are working around that and doing a really good | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
job at what they do, which is to con money out of normal people. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
Desperate to get their money back, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Louise has tried calling the company on the number they gave her. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
There's no reply. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
It's just ringing like it always does. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
There is a genuine company with a similar name to the one the scamsters used. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
It is based in the city of London and called CitiFinancial Europe plc, part of Citigroup. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
But they no longer offer loans to new customers and now have a | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
warning on their website about companies using names or reference | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
numbers that are similar to theirs to scam you out of money. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
They advise anyone offered a loan in this way to contact the police. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
And whoever the scamsters really were, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
they were able to exploit the simplicity of Ukash vouchers | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
to trick Louise out of over £800, money she could not afford to lose. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:32 | |
I'm angry with it, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
because I was hoping to have it a bit easier when he is in Afghan. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
But it hasn't. It has put a lot more pressure on me | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
because I'm not only having to cover costs for the loan, but I'm having | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
to cover the costs that we have lost through applying for this loan. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
Well, later in the programme, we're going to be hearing more about | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
situations where Ukash payments have been targeted by scamsters. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
And we're also going to be talking to the company behind the scheme | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
to see what they have done to make it safe. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
the mailshots that promise a life-changing sum of money. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
So what's the catch, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
and how likely is it that your money will ever arrive? | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
My advice to anybody that gets this is, don't even look at it. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Just stick it in the bin. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
Rip-Off Britain has come to the Northeast of England. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Overnight, we've created a shop where anyone can pop in to receive | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
instant advice from our team of consumer experts. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
The marvellous thing about you being quite early in the day, John, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
is the fact I can take you straight to the expert. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Come on. Let's go for it! I know. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
First up to see our travel expert, Simon Calder, is John. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
He feels badly let down by his travel insurance company | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
after his partner had an accident on holiday in Scotland. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
We got to Bute, went out walking, she fell and broke her wrist. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
It involved us in taxis, trips to the mainland for X-rays. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
In total, the costs came to about £135. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
So, we put the insurance claim in, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
we got a letter back to say that this insurance policy does not | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
cover us for the United Kingdom, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
Here we are, here we are. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
In the section the Emergency, Medical and Treatment Expenses, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
it very specifically says this section does not apply to | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
trips within the UK, Channel Islands or Isle of Man if you live there. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
What should they have done? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
The advice is, unless there is a very particular reason that | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
you would want to get insurance for a UK trip, don't bother. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
Will you take this issue up on behalf of John? I most certainly am. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
I want to find out, first of all, how they can possibly be | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
selling insurance at that price - £55 for five days in Scotland. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
I don't know if we have, legally, a leg to stand on, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
but morally, I'm afraid this is an almighty rip-off. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
Are you a happy man, John? Very much so. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Brilliant. Thank you very much indeed. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Our pop-up shop has certainly drawn the crowds, and our experts | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
are being kept busy with an extraordinary range of problems. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
Good heavens above! Sarah, what is the legal position here? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
If nobody is offering you any financial recompense, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
then you may have to consider going through the courts. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Michael has been left with an expensive repair bill | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
after his car was damaged by a pothole, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
and wants some advice on what to do next with his claim | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
after his local authority's insurer refused to pay out. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
They wouldn't accept a claim for damage | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
against a third party's insurer. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
I didn't know where to turn next. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
The difficulty here is you're not a client of the local | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
authority's insurer, so you don't have that same protection that you | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
do, you know, if it was your own insurance policy. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
So, there are a couple of other options open to you. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
One of them, you probably considered, which is | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
to make a claim on your own car insurance policy. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
But, of course, you've then got your own excess to pay, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
that damages your own claims record. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
The only other option open to you now is to | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
think about complaining to the Local Government Ombudsman. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
At least you will get an independent set of eyes looking over your case. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Well, I have records from the insurance company which | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
show that the last time the road was surveyed was in February. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:28 | |
And no survey exists for March. The accident was in April. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
Well, that sounds like that could be a key piece of evidence | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
and, you know, that evidence is all stuff that should be | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
put in your claim to the Local Government Ombudsman. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Best of luck with it, let's hope you get that insurer to pay out. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
I will certainly do that, and thanks very much for your advice. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Now, if you're really being honest, which one of us hasn't at some | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
stage dreamt of what we would do if we won that small fortune in cash. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
So imagine how you would feel if you suddenly received | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
a letter in the post saying that you had won thousands of pounds. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Not that you stood a chance of winning it, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
but that already the money was definitely yours. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Now, you would probably think it was all too good to be true, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
but then again, when it is all there written in black and white, you | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
might also hope for the best and wait for your windfall to arrive. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Well, Alan Downing received a letter just like that. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
So, was Lady Luck truly on his side, and if not, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
what was really going on? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
On average, every household receives 377 pieces of junk mail | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
through its letter box each year, and it can be very hard to | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
decide what is junk and what is a genuine offer or promise. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
A dilemma faced by Alan Downing, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
when he started getting letters saying he had won huge cash prizes. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
"With the confirmation of the amount, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
"we hereby confirm that the amount of this cheque is £15,500." | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
We go 15,500...15,500... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
15,500... | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
and 20,500. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
If all this did come to me, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I would be one of the richest men in Manchester. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
The letters came from a mail order company called Star Shopping, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
which has a PO address in Dublin. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
They also sent Alan a catalogue of products. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I'm reading it, the products in it didn't really interest me | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
in the first place, but then I started thinking, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
"They've told me I've won 20,500 here." | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
More than that, they guaranteed it. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
So, with such a clear promise, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
well, 72-year-old Alan just couldn't resist replying. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
When I saw the documents, I thought, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
"Well, we can all do with £20,500 for doing nothing." | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
I was quite wary that it was going to be a scam, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
but I thought, I'll continue it, cos it will only cost me a stamp. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
And, well, somebody might be silly enough at the other end to | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
actually make a cheque out for me. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
Star Shopping quickly wrote back, not with a cheque, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
but with an assurance that if he ordered something | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
from the catalogue, the money would be sent right away. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
The catalogue said I didn't have to buy anything, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
but if I did, it would speed it up. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
So, Alan placed an order. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
I got the goods. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
I got this plastic squeegee thing on a piece of plastic, but no cheque. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:34 | |
And, funnily enough, there still hasn't been. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
Although, over the next six months, Alan received | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
a further 25 letters insisting that the money was still waiting for him | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
at Star Shopping's headquarters, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
and all he had to do to get it was order more. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
20,500, this one! | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
"Mr Downing, this is the best day of your life." | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
I thought that was my wedding day. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
"You are the one and only lucky winning beneficiary of the big | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
"bank cheque for 20,500." | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
They don't give up with this. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:09 | |
I'm afraid Alan has given up on ever receiving his prize. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
Still, at least he didn't waste too much money. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Unlike John Cooper from Bournemouth. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
He received the same letters from Star Shopping | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and indeed from other mail-order companies, some of which appear to be connected. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
He was also told that as soon as he ordered from the catalogues, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
his five-figure prize would be on its way. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
I've probably placed about 16 to 18 orders with Star, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
and with the other mail-order firms, probably about another ten. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Generally speaking, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
I suppose the orders would come to about £15 to £20 each time. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Mainly small, domestic items, bottles of fluid for cleaning | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
plastic, windows and chairs, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
some crystals for putting down drains to unblock them. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Nothing very exciting. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
When John contacted Star Shopping to see where his winner's cheque | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
was, three of the company directors assured him | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
in writing that it would he sent to him shortly. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
All three of them had signed a document confirming that | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
I had won that money. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
So I was just waiting for the cheque to come through the post, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
but, of course, I'm still waiting. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Now, believing that his winnings were on their way, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
John spent £350 on Star Shopping products alone. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
He also spent almost £200 on goods from the other catalogues | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
because they, too, promised that he had won big cash prizes. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
There's probably about 300 different pamphlets, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
envelopes and letters, all of which are clearly pointing | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
out that a massive prize has been won by myself. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
This is a cheque for £20,500. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
"It is not a discount voucher but a real first-prize bank cheque." | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
That is just one indication. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
I was the only person getting the prize. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
I mean, I wouldn't have expected that to be true, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
but when somebody makes a statement like that in business, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
under contract, and firms make that contract, they must stand by it. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
If it is lies or deceit, it's fraud. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Now, you may also have received catalogues like these. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
Many of them have addresses in either the Netherlands or Belgium, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
and several of them | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
have links to a Belgian mail order company, D Duchesne SA, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
a business that the Office of Fair Trading | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
has taken action against in the past, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
all as part of an ongoing battle about these kinds of prize draws. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
But I'm afraid that hasn't stopped the same sort | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
of misleading letters being sent to countless households across the UK. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
We contacted all the companies who had written to John to ask | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
why neither he nor anyone else we have heard from has ever | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
received the prize they were supposedly guaranteed. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Not one of them replied. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
John still can't believe that they're able to make such | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
big claims without delivering on their promises. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
Perhaps a person listening to this might say "He was naive, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
"I would never fall for that." Well, my view is that firms | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
should not be able to make these sort of offers. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
They should be heavily penalised. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
They made these false promises and kept on repeating the promises | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
when they were complete lies. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
And Alan has some words of wisdom for anyone who receives | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
a letter like this, suggesting they have won a cash prize. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
My advice to anyone who gets these is don't even look at. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Just stick it in the bin. Or return to sender. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Cos you're not going to get it. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
If you have ever been tempted by a deal or a promise that is not what | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
it seems, or is just too good to be true, here's how to resist it. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:06 | |
The first thing is that if someone calls your house to try to | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
sell you something, don't feel under pressure. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
It is quite likely that the sales man or woman will be under | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
pressure themselves because they will have sales targets to meet. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
That is their problem and not yours. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Take your time and only buy something if you want to buy it | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
and you want to buy it there and then. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
If not, just say no. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
If you buy something at home or at your office, basically, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
away from the normal place where the company does its business | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
you have some fairly good rights. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
You have the right to cancel within seven days | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
and that seven days starts from when you were given the information | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
about your cancellation rights which may not be when you actually sign up. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
If you're getting plagued by lots of doorstep sellers you might | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
want to consider setting up a no-cold-calling zone. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
It is something that your local trading standards | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
and the police can organise for you. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
It is not an automatic right, normally there has to be a certain | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
amount of either old or vulnerable people living in your area. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
If you are fed up with junk mail coming shooting through your | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
letter box, I suggest that you sign up with a Mailing Preference Scheme. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
That means that companies that you do not have any business with | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
will not be able to send you junk mail. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
You will still get some marketing information from companies | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
like your bank or your energy supplier. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
Signing up for the Mailing Preference Scheme won't necessarily mean | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
that you stop getting those dodgy letters saying that you | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
have won a lottery that you have never entered or that you have | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
won a prize competition. Generally, these offers are dodgy. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
Don't even open the envelope. Shred it or get rid of it. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
If you reply to one of these companies, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
you could find your name is put on what is called a "suckers list." | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
That means that your details will be traded | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
with other would-be fraudsters. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:48 | |
Earlier in the programme we heard how an increasingly popular | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
form of payment can be exploited by companies determined to rip you off. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
Ukash vouchers as they are called are a perfectly legitimate | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
and apparently easy way of paying for things. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
In some parts of the country, Trading Standards officers | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
are warning of scams, which mean you could end up out of pocket. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
So, could it be that Ukash vouchers are just too simple to use? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
Karen McCracken from Nottinghamshire was thrilled | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
when she received a call from a withheld number claiming | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
she had won some money. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
'They phoned up at 10.30 in the morning, saying that' | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
I had won this £10,000, and it was from Royal Mail. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
'It was quite exciting, to be fair, I must admit.' | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
But to claim it, they asked her for a £50 admin fee, which she | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
would have to pay using a Ukash voucher. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Well, I said that I would have to speak to my husband about it, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
and they turned around and said, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
"You don't need your husband's permission for this. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
I says, "Well, I think I do, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
"cos I haven't got that kind of money to give you anyway." | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
And he says, "Oh," he says, "I'll phone you back on Monday." | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
He did call back on Monday morning, | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
still falsely claiming to be from Royal Mail, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
but when Karen declined the offer, he became aggressive, insisting | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
they must have that admin fee whether she wanted her prize or not. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
'They just kept saying that I would need a solicitor, and he went,' | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
"I'm going to send the police round to your door | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
"to get this money, because you're breaking the law not giving me it." | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
'And it got me really scared, to be honest.' | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
Then, when I come off the phone, I cried. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
Karen didn't fall for what the man was saying but only | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
because the previous year, she had been targeted in a similar way. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
She had again been told that to claim a £10,000 cash prize, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
she would have to pay an admin fee, and that time, she had done it. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
They told me I needed a Ukash voucher and they then told me | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
where the shop was, what street it was on and stuff like... | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
And I had never heard of them before. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
The woman on the phone said that she would call back | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
once Karen had bought the Ukash voucher, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
to get the unique code number printed on it. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
So, I went and got the £50 voucher, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
and then they said that that would be it, I would get the cheque. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
Karen had just unwittingly handed over £50 she would never see again. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:21 | |
The woman who called her | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
was using the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to scam her. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
Karen only realised that when her winnings failed to arrive. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
'The cheque never come after Christmas, cos we thought,' | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
"Oh, Christmas time, it'll be lovely. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
"We'll get the kids something nice." But it never come. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
Ukash is a convenient way of paying online at websites | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
if you don't have a bank account or debit or credit cards, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
but once you have handed over the serial number, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
the payment is completely untraceable. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
It is as if you had used cash, and, unlike using a credit or debit card, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
you have absolutely no protection... | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
as Karen learned the hard way. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Then I went, "Oh, we've lost 50 quid." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
And it was my last 50 quid out of my bank, to be fair. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
Cos we didn't get paid till the week after. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
After the second incident, she reported the calls to the police | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
and to Nottinghamshire Trading Standards, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
who issued a warning about the scam. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
These particular kind of cold calls are particularly difficult | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
because of the aggression that is used. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
'They are possibly targeting people who haven't got the facility | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
'to use credit cards and debit cards so readily.' | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Ukash vouchers are a brilliant idea. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
They work in a lot of circumstances, but you do need to remember that | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
when you give that number over, it is effectively handing the cash over. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
Across the UK, whether it is on the phone or online, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Ukash vouchers are being exploited by crooks in all sorts of ways. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
In London, conmen have claimed to be police, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
needing a fee paid with Ukash to remove illegal content from PCs. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
In Dunbartonshire, targets have been told | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
they are entitled to money from unclaimed insurance policies. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
And in Gloucestershire, a scam was more elaborate still. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
A woman reported handing £600 worth of Ukash vouchers to a man | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
who had first rung to say she was entitled | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
to £4,000 worth of mis-sold PPI, then turned up at her house | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
with very convincing forms for her to sign. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
So, it looks as if the only way to avoid being stung like Karen is to | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
make sure you only give | 0:36:31 | 0:36:32 | |
a Ukash code to someone you're sure is legitimate. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
Otherwise, whatever yarn you're being spun, chances are it's a con. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:42 | |
I think they're actually picking on people that need the money | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
and they're vulnerable anyway, so they're going to take the money. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
Very nasty people. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
So, are Ukash doing enough to keep consumers safe? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
'Let's see what the company's chief executive David Hunter has to say | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
'about the way that the system is being abused.' | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
David I have to confess that I had never heard of Ukash, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
so shall we start by you explaining exactly what Ukash is. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
Ukash is designed to be a safe and simple way for people to spend | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
cash on the internet via our voucher system. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
People can go to the corner shop or anywhere they might get | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
a mobile top up, present your cash | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
and ask for a Ukash voucher in return. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
With a unique 19-digit code on it which represents that value. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
It is a bit like an electronic banknote. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
You're swapping a physical banknote for an electronic banknote. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
So, if you take the case like the one that we're dealing with here, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
what went wrong with that because I am sure | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
you are going to tell me that your system is | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
meant to be watertight with this code number and so on. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
Well, of course, in fact we know of not one single breach of, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
or somebody guessing a number and spending it as their own | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
because there are so many billions of permutations. Each number is unique. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
What happened in this case was that she was contacted by a cold caller | 0:38:02 | 0:38:09 | |
who was literally trying to scam or extract money from her and | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
other people and they asked her to go to a local shop to get Ukash for | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
them and she was asked to tell them the unique number over the telephone. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
Which, I must say, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
is just the same as giving real cash away at your front door. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
You use the word "scam" and obviously this is one case, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
but I presume there are others. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
What other means do you know of where people are getting round your | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
system or rather using Ukash as a way of getting money out of people? | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
Scams exist and always have done and always will do. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Often they will move to other means of executing their scam. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
I think what has happened here is that as Ukash has become | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
more popular and available and convenient for people to buy. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
These criminals are exploiting the fact that people can be | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
convinced to use the product in a way it's not designed to be used, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
against our strict terms of use, against the alerts we have | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
put on the vouchers saying, "Please do not give details away to anybody. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
"Only use at participating Ukash websites." This has been exploited. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
So, David, what it is the key advice you would give people to make sure | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
they don't get taken for a ride and don't have their money taken? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
I think it is really important that people recognise this is like cash. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
That number, that is the security of their value. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Please don't give that to anybody, over the phone or by e-mail, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
unless you want them to have the value. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
It is the same as you giving them a bank note of that value. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Please only use our participating websites, you can | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
see a full list of those websites on the Ukash.com | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
and please only take the warnings that you see on the voucher. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
Treat like cash. Don't give it to anybody else. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
If you do feel that you might have been compromised or if you have given | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
the voucher to somebody, contact us immediately because if you contact us | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
immediately and the voucher is not spent, we can block it for you. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
David, thank you. Thank you. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
Here at Rip-off Britain we are always ready to investigate | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
more of your stories. Confused over your bills? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
Trying to wade through never-ending small print? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
People should read it but it is not in plain English, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
it should be simple, you know, ABC, basic stuff. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you have lost out | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
You go home and get your bill and it is like £70 | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
when it is meant to be £35. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
And you basically get ripped off, don't you? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
the mistakes you have made with us so that others do not do the same. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
We paid them good money to act in our best interest. They did not. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
You can write to us at: | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
Or send us an e-mail: | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
The rip-off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
Well, fortunately, most businesses, thank goodness, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
don't actually set out to deliberately fleece you | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
but there will always be a minority determined to do exactly that. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
So, while it seems unfortunately unlikely that everyone that we | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
have met today is ever going to get their money back, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
we do hope that at least by sharing their stories with you we have given | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
you an idea of some of the things that you need to watch out for. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
In particular, be extra careful before agreeing to any promise | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
that comes right out of the blue. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:53 | |
Whether it is in the post online or on the phone. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
Don't be rushed or pressurised into making a decision straightaway. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
Do take the time to do some research just in case someone is trying | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
to rip you off. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
Well, with that excellent advice that is all | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
we have got time for today. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
Thank you for joining us and please do keep sending us your stories. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
We will be back to investigate more of them soon | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
but in the meantime, from all of us here, bye-bye. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
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