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'We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off

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'and you contacted us in your thousands by post, e-mail,

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'even stopping us on the streets.

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'And the message couldn't be clearer.'

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I think there's a lot of hidden information about your bills

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that should be made a lot more clear.

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I don't feel I get treated how I should be.

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'You've told us with money tighter than ever,

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'you need to be sure that every pound you spend is worth it.'

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How do I get my money back? Cos I just think I'm entitled to it.

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'So, whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake

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'or a catch in the small print,

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'we'll find out why it is that you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.'

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Keep asking the questions, keep going to the top if you have to.

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We do get results. That's the interesting thing.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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where, as always, we three are on hand to fight your corner

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in those situations that haven't just cost you time and money

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but have also probably caused you an awful lot of grief along the way.

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All the people we'll be hearing from today would say that they've been treated unfairly,

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either because of small print that they don't think was clear

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or plain and simple bad customer service.

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I can tell you, we've got quite a few examples of that coming up.

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I must say, it's been a huge mailbag

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and some of the problems are really quite shocking,

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with huge sums of money that stand to be lost.

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Now, they're all to do with problems around the home, and big problems at that.

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In fact, in one case it could hardly be worse.

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Coming up, a company that promised to bring down your council tax

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but in reality was just after your cash.

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I don't think I'll ever get my money back. I do know it was a con.

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It was in the papers.

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It was a scam and I could say bye-bye to my money.

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And with insurers continuing to count the cost of recent floods,

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could you end up paying the price?

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They're not making the money they think they should be making,

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so they'll continue to search for a reason

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to punish householders for wanting to protect their greatest asset.

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Now, what do you have to do to be classed as occupying your home?

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Does it mean that you stay there overnight?

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Or is it being at the property every day?

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Now, I admit that may seem rather an odd question

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but it is one that really matters when it comes to house insurance.

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As this next couple found out, they face losing everything

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because of that one tiny detail which made all the difference.

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Andrew Hill is a skilled carpenter,

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so when he and girlfriend Chaska decided to buy a house in the town of Glastonbury,

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they wanted one that they could work on themselves,

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and with a bit of financial help from his dad, and a mortgage,

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they found the perfect bungalow priced at £138,000.

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We had gone for a really run-down bungalow that needed a lot of work doing to it

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and a project for me.

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With all the paperwork done and dusted via a consultant at Countrywide estate agents,

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the redevelopment began.

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For 12 months, at evenings and weekends,

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they worked on the project.

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Coming to the end, it was looking amazing.

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Every room, we were happy with. It was basically ready to move in.

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But on the night of April 9th, 2011,

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just two weeks before they were due to move in,

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disaster struck.

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A neighbour's home caught fire

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and the fire quickly spread to Andrew and Chaska's house.

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Within 20 minutes, half an hour, it was ripping through our roof.

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And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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I felt sick, gutted, shocked.

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This big room here and that bit over there is the extension Andrew built

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and this bit here which is now the kitchen was the second bedroom.

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As all of their hard work burnt to the ground in front of them,

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their only comfort was that, along with their mortgage,

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they'd taken out home protection and buildings insurance.

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Everyone kept reassuring us, saying, "Don't worry, you're insured.

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"It'll be OK. It's just going to be tough for a few months."

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That was an understatement.

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They put in a claim on their policy,

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which, though organised by Countrywide,

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was underwritten by AXA,

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one of the biggest names in the insurance business.

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But their claim was rejected

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on the grounds that the house was not permanently lived in during renovation.

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They said, "If we'd known what your plans were,

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"we would never have insured you,"

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and basically our insurance was void

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because they said the property was unoccupied.

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But it's the ambiguity over what the word occupied means

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that's at the root of Andrew's problems now.

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There is, in fact, no standard industry definition

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and as far as Andrew was concerned,

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because he WAS at the house every day and the occasional night,

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he WAS occupying it.

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I'd never left the property for more than 30 days,

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even two days,

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because I just wanted to keep on battling through

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to get it finished, to move in.

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Andrew insists that when he bought the insurance at Countrywide

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who'd also arranged his mortgage for him, he'd explained in detail

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exactly what he'd be doing at the house and how often he be there,

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and his dad, who was also at the meeting with the broker, agrees.

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There's absolutely no doubt in my mind

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that the mortgage consultant knew exactly what our plans were.

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We told her that we were not going to be living in there,

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that we were going to be doing modernisation works

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and when all the works were completed, Andrew would be moving in.

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So how did Andrew end up with a policy that did not give him the cover that he needed?

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A question that, when they rejected his claim,

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insurers AXA said they couldn't answer.

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When speaking to AXA, they'd come back to us and said

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our argument was with the broker, so we went back to the broker and...

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..they basically said that we never told her.

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Unfortunately, we are told regardless of whatever we said,

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there is nothing there to prove what went on at that meeting

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in that office that night.

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And we are trying to...fight a battle...

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and we can't prove what was said.

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There should have been an easy way to clear all of that up.

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The Financial Services Authority has guidelines

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requiring anyone selling insurance to keep careful notes of their meetings

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so that if later there is a dispute over what was said,

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those notes can settle it.

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But Countrywide weren't able to produce any such records.

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As a result, when Andrew first took his case to the Financial Ombudsman Service,

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he was told that there was no evidence to suggest that the policy had been mis-sold,

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leaving the couple faced with losing the entire value of their home.

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The fire actually started in our next-door neighbour's house,

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but as you can see, their house has been rebuilt because their insurance has paid out.

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Whereas our house is still left like this. Our insurance won't pay.

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On their behalf, we spoke to insurers AXA,

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who reiterated that the claim was rejected because the house was not permanently occupied,

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a fact that THEY'D only known about after the fire.

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If they'd known that at the time of purchase,

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they would not have provided cover.

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And they bounced it all back towards Countrywide,

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saying it was their responsibility:

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But when we asked Countrywide for an explanation,

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they just said that while they're:

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And they didn't explain why they'd been unable to produce any notes

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from the original meeting with Andrew,

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as the guidelines said they should.

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At the moment, we're stuck between the broker and the insurer,

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and I've still got to pay for the mortgage, my loans

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for this pile of rubbish.

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But we kept pushing

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and are delighted to say that this story does have a happy ending.

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After looking at the case again,

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the Financial Ombudsman Service upheld Andrew's complaint against Countrywide,

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concluding that the policy was mis-sold

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on the basis of all the evidence.

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And then insurers AXA unexpectedly rang Andrew at work

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with a change of heart.

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Then she said, "AXA are going to pay for the full rebuild of your house,"

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and it was just... It was like a winning lottery ticket

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and I was just running round, shouting, ringing all my friends up,

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saying, "Guess what? They're going to pay!"

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After reviewing the case in more detail,

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AXA said they understand that

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Andrew answered all of the application questions honestly

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and should not be disadvantaged as a result of a mis-communication

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between them and Countrywide.

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They've now paid the claim in full and also given compensation.

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It's finally...coming to an end. We can actually start to...

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Get on with our lives.

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Cos our lives have been on hold for the past 18 months,

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-so finally we can look to the future.

-Yeah.

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Something we need to be increasingly on our guard against

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is certain companies promising that in return for a fee of course,

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they can win back money for us which we've paid out in the past.

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So if you've ever wondered if you pay too much council tax,

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you're exactly the sort of person they're after.

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It was October 2010 when right out of the blue,

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Jackie Roast got an intriguing phone-call with a very attractive offer.

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It was from a company called Council Tax Review

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who suggested that her house might have been put into the wrong council tax band.

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As a result, over the 13 years since she'd moved in,

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she may have been paying too much tax

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and that was money that the company suggested they could get back for her.

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I didn't really understand council tax banding

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but I thought it might be worthwhile so we'd listened to him.

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Jackie arranged a visit from someone at the company to explain more

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and when he came round, he made it sound like she had absolutely nothing to lose.

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He convinced me

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he would need £185 for the paperwork

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and then should they be unsuccessful,

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that will be refundable.

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It seemed perfect.

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If the company was successful, Jackie would pay less tax and get money back

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and if they weren't, they'd refund her her fee,

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so she signed a cheque for £185

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and left it to Council Tax Review to pursue her case.

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The man had told Jackie that this wasn't a job

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she could easily do for herself

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but a couple of weeks after signing up she realised that that wasn't true

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and you shouldn't need to pay anybody else to do it.

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After my sister told me that she had been down to the council

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and got her money back of £3,000 without any assistance from anyone,

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I decided to ring the Council Tax Review people I'd been involved with

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and ask for my money back.

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But Jackie's attempts at getting back what she'd paid out

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to Council Tax Review didn't get her very far,

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despite their promise that the fee would be refundable.

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It was one excuse after another.

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They were constantly fobbing me off.

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It's now two years since Jackie signed up with Council Tax Review.

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She's seen neither a refund nor any evidence that the company

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had bothered doing the work they promised in the first place.

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I've retired this year, my husband's due for retirement

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and I was hoping that we would have

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a smaller banding to pay

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and that we would have that little bit of money back in the bank.

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I feel angry. I feel stupid

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that I'd allowed this to happen to me.

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But Jackie is by no means the only person taken in by Council Tax Review.

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West Yorkshire Trading Standards received over 800 complaints about the company,

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all from people who'd been told that they, too, could be in line for thousands of pounds in rebates

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in return for that refundable upfront fee.

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They signed up, they paid the money,

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and they were finding that things weren't happening

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at the sort of pace that they perhaps expected.

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The man behind Council Tax Review, Jack Darrell Henry,

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was found guilty of a series of offences involving unfair commercial practices.

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The judge said that Henry had engaged in sharp and shoddy practices

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which were a whisker away from fraud.

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But while this company has been put out of business,

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there are deep concerns others with similar tactics

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may spring up in its place.

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We've seen several examples of companies like this

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where effectively they are offering a service which can actually be performed by yourself.

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You've got to learn that don't sign anything if you don't want to,

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take the information away by all means but have a think about it first.

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The easiest way to find out if you're in the wrong council tax band

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is to contact your local Valuation Office yourself.

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It won't cost anything more than the price of the call

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and it's absolutely free if you do it online,

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something Jackie wishes she'd known when she first got that call.

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I don't think I'll ever get my money back. It was in the papers.

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It was a scam and I could say bye-bye to my money.

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The Rip-Off Britain team has opened up a one-stop consumer advice shop.

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It's the perfect opportunity to meet many of you face-to-face,

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and, more importantly, for our team of experts to help tackle your consumer problems.

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Gloria, isn't it great to be back in the pop-up shop

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and find so many people wanting to talk to our experts?

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I know. The success of it, I think, has been fantastic.

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And one man who's come for advice

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is former squash champion Aftab Jerwain.

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He's hoping his diary of evidence will help our telecommunications expert David McLelland

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get to the bottom of a dispute he's having with his phone company.

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He paid 12 months line rental up front

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but two months later moved house.

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And despite using the same provider in his new home,

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he was told the old contract was non-refundable

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and he'd have to pay again for another.

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I started getting the letters from their solicitors of the company.

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-Threatening letters trying to scare you into submission...

-Yes.

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That's a common tactic, unfortunately.

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First, let me congratulate you.

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You've made such a good diary and that is textbook stuff

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and that will really help you later on.

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According to the letter of the terms and conditions

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that contract was terminated.

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However, if it wasn't made absolutely clear to you that that would be the case,

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you have a strong case.

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In your official letter of complaint, you set out very clearly

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how you want this to be resolved and if that fails, the next step after that is the ombudsman.

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With this brilliant diary of information you've got here,

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I'm pretty sure your case will be very clear indeed.

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Some parts of Britain have been hit by disastrous floods in recent years

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and, although they might not like it,

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you can understand why those people who live in the worst affected areas

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may now have to pay increased insurance premiums as a result.

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But what if you live in an area that has never seen a proper flood in living memory

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and your premiums suddenly start to soar

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because, apparently, you have got an increased risk of flooding?

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Well, that's exactly what happened to Nancy Herely.

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She could just not understand what was going on and she asked us to investigate

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and, you know, it's a good job that she did

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because this time it seems that her insurance company

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really did not know what they were talking about.

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We're getting used to seeing images of homes underwater,

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devastating floods hit parts of Britain several times last year,

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most recently around Christmas, but even after the heaviest downpours,

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the part of Lincolnshire where Nancy Herely and her husband, Phil, have lived for the last decade

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remained unscathed.

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In fact, it is 50 years since the area saw a flood.

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It's an absolutely stunning part of the country.

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We found a house that we absolutely love

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and we found a beautiful way of life here.

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When the couple moved into their farmhouse,

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they arranged their home and contents insurance through Cornhill Direct.

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The cover protected them for home and contents, fire and flooding.

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Our first insurance policy was for £177.50.

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Gradually, over the years, it crept up.

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I believe in 2009, it was slightly over £300.

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Over the next seven years up to 2009,

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the premiums had gone up by a fairly modest £129.

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And in 2007, the policy was very useful

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when Nancy needed to make a claim for some storm damage.

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They told us simply to get it repaired and paid everything very promptly.

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We were very pleased with the treatment we had.

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Or, at least, they were until 2010

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when the cost of their annual insurance suddenly went up from £300 to £490.

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Cornhill put it down to the fact that they had reclassified the area where Nancy's house sits

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as a flood risk area.

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We had never had any indication this area had suddenly become

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an area of concern for the insurers with regard to the floods.

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Nancy reluctantly paid the increased premium,

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but the next year brought an even bigger shock.

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In 2011, we received a premium request for £737.26.

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We were absolutely astonished because this was a massive increase.

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In two years, Nancy's policy had gone up by 141 percent

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because of a risk that Nancy believed would never happen.

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So, together with her neighbours,

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some of whom were experiencing similar problems with their insurance companies,

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she hatched a plan to fight back.

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Through their local MP, they arranged a meeting with a man from the Environment Agency.

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He said they too had recently reclassified the area's risk of flood

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but, unlike the insurers, they had downgraded it.

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He talked about the fact that it has not flooded in this area since 1957

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and that the area is now being changed from a significant risk of flooding

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to a moderate risk of flooding.

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Insurance companies do not have to use the Environment Agency's analysis when setting premiums,

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but Nancy couldn't understand why Cornhill Direct was saying the likelihood of flooding

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was increasing at a time when the Environment Agency was saying the exact opposite.

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They simply did not want to know that we had a government agency

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that could verify that this area was in no great danger of flooding.

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Nancy took her business elsewhere,

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organising her home insurance with a local broker for just £264.

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But she still feels aggrieved that Cornhill Direct wouldn't listen to what she was saying.

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They were unwilling to look beyond what their computer screens gave them as a definition

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of the area and what their underwriters would permit.

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When we contacted Cornhill Direct, the story took an unexpected turn.

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The company agreed that Nancy's postcode was not in an area at high risk of flooding

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and they told us that when they said it was,

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what they actually meant was that it was suddenly at a greater risk of subsidence

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because of shrinkable clay soil in the area.

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When we broke the news to Nancy, she was flabbergasted.

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Subsidence!

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I was told twice it was flooding.

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No-one ever mentioned subsidence, no-one ever mentioned clay.

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Absolutely astonishing!

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I am... I am truly amazed.

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I am... I am furious actually.

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And the neighbours were even more amused to hear one of the company's other explanations.

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In an e-mail to us, they said they'd been influenced by - wait for it -

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some of the local street names on Google Maps.

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"The River Witham passes her property..."

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GASPS

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"..and the neighbouring road have such names as

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"40 Foot Bank, Ferry Lane

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"and Fifteen Foot Drain.

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"I think it is forgiveable for making the assumption that our stance

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"was due to flood rather than any other peril."

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Cornhill Direct told us they'd adjusted the premiums

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after working with an external provider of geographical hazard data

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so they could improve the sophistication and accuracy of their pricing

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and, putting aside the inaccuracy of confusing flooding with subsidence

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they are satisfied that from a technical underwriting respective,

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the policy has performed exactly as intended.

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They say their premiums reflect what they believe to be the risks presented to them

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and they don't increase them by any more than they have to.

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But Nancy is not persuaded that the new justification for the price hike holds any more water

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than the old one, especially considering that she has been able to find the same type of cover

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for the coming year for just £202.

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They're not making the money that they think they should be making.

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Therefore, they'll continue searching for a reason to punish householders

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for protecting their greatest asset.

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So, yes, I will tackle them on this and, yes,

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I will continue to fight and I will be as loud as possible.

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I'm not going away. They may think they've won, but I'm not going away.

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Sometimes when you feel ripped off,

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it could be you that's made a mistake.

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Perhaps you didn't read the small print or realise the consequences of what you signed up to.

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Whoever is at fault, when things go wrong,

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you need to know what to do about it.

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So, we've put together a booklet of tips and advice.

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You can find a link to the free guide on our website:

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Or, to receive a copy in the post,

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send a stamped self-addressed A5 envelope

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to the address which we will give you at the end of the programme.

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If you're lucky enough to have a guarantee for work that's been done on your home,

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you'd think it would be obvious what it entitles you to.

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But that's not always the case.

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Sometimes it turns out that the guarantee you've pinned your hopes on

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is no longer worth the paper it's written on.

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# I could have danced all night

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# I could have dance all night... #

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When amateur singer Adrienne Guthrie was looking for a new place to live,

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Wetherby in Yorkshire seemed the obvious choice.

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I looked for a property near friends and, because most of the activities I am involved in,

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the ladies' choir and one or two other activities are in Wetherby.

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Adrienne had no trouble finding her ideal home.

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She was sent a stack of paperwork to go with the purchase

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and amongst it was some very good news.

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Or so she thought.

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I saw that there was a guarantee for the double glazing

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for a ten-year period.

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Double glazing had been installed less than two years earlier.

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But Adrienne soon noticed her double glazing wasn't keeping the house is warm as she'd expected.

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I hadn't been in the house very long when I realised that the kitchen was very cold

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and as the cold weather came, it was just like being in an ice box.

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Adrienne traced the problem to the kitchen door,

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which didn't seem to have been fitted properly.

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I wasn't unduly worried.

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I thought that the double glazing would be covered under the guarantee

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and it would just be a repair.

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So Adrienne contacted the company who'd issued the guarantee,

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Orion Windows Limited.

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But they told her the guarantee was no good to her

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because it was only valid for the customer who'd installed the glazing.

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In other words, the house's previous owner.

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I just couldn't believe it

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and nobody could understand why the guarantee wasn't transferable

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from one owner to the next and why it didn't stay with the house.

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To make matters worse, a few weeks later,

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there was another problem with Adrienne's double glazing.

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I suddenly heard three loud cracks and when I went into the back bedroom,

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the window had cracked from top to bottom.

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It was very cold outside and I'm assuming it was because of the cold.

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So, with two double glazing problems in just two months,

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you can see why Adrienne was annoyed at the prospect of shelling out for repairs that,

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because she had that guarantee, she believed should be done for free.

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I don't understand why the guarantee doesn't transfer from owner to owner.

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It's just ridiculous the way it is just null and void.

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In fact, double glazing suppliers aren't under any obligation to supply transferable guarantees

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unless they are members of the industry trade body, the Glass and Glazing Federation.

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In that case, they are supposed to honour guarantees if the house changes hands.

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And, funnily enough, Orion Windows Ltd is a member.

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When we contacted them,

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they blamed an oversight and were quick to put things right.

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They made what they call very minor adjustments to sort out Adrienne's glazing

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and immediately transferred the unexpired portion of their guarantee to her.

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They assured us that all other guarantees would now be transferable.

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We also spoke to the Glass and Glazing Federation

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who reiterated that it's a mandatory requirement for all their members to provide transferable guarantees.

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But when we contacted the 20 Glass and Glazing Federation members

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closest to where Adrienne lives to see if they offer transferable guarantees,

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four of them said they didn't.

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We've passed that information on to the Federation

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who said they will be reminding all their members of their obligations on this.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills?

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Trying to wade through never-ending small print?

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We should read it, but it's not in plain English. It should be simple.

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You might have a cautionary tale of your own

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and want to share the mistakes you've made with us so that others don't do the same.

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We paid them good money to act in our best interests. They didn't.

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You can write to us at:

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Or send us an e-mail:

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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I think we'd all agree that it's really never good to find that you've been ripped off,

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but somehow it's particularly bad when it affects your own home.

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But, as ever, one way or another, it is quite often paperwork that's at the root of the problem.

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Whether it's been a promise that hasn't been kept or a clause that you didn't quite understand -

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and we get a lot of that, don't we?

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Yes, as we've seen from our stories today, you can't always be confident

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that you'll get what you thought you'd signed up to.

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But doing research and ploughing through all those boring old terms and conditions

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is still the best way to protect yourself and your property.

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Because your home, as you know, is the most important asset that you will probably ever have

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so battling through that small print really is worthwhile,

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even if they don't always make it that easy for you.

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That's where we've got to leave it for today.

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We hope you'll join us again for more of your stories.

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-Until next time, from all of us, bye-bye.

-Bye.

-Goodbye.

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