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We asked YOU to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands by post, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
e-mail, even stopping us on the streets. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
The message could not be clearer. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
I think there's a lot of hidden information about your bills | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
that should be made a lot more clear. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
I don't feel I get treated how I should be. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
You've told us with money tighter than ever, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
you need to be sure every pound you spend is worth it. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
How do I get me money back? I just think I'm entitled to it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Keep asking the questions, keep... Go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
Your stories. Your money. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Hello, and welcome once again to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
the programme that gets to the bottom of why you haven't ended up | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
with what you thought you would for your money or indeed your time, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
which of course is the reason the people we'll be meeting in today's programme | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
got in touch with us in the first place. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Because one way or another, they all feel rather let down, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
as indeed we often do when we end up | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
with something that just did not live up to the hype | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
or even to our own expectations. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
And of course we'll also have plenty of advice, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
so that before you hand over your money, you've done | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
everything you can to protect it in case something does go wrong. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Coming up, the cash voucher system being exploited by scamsters. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
They're actually picking on people that need the money | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
and that are vulnerable anyway. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
Very nasty people. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
And as yet more companies fail to deliver on promises of getting | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
back your mis-sold PPI, we'll reveal the best way to find out | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
if you really are owed thousands of pounds. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
They're not a help to anybody. You don't need them. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
You just can do everything yourself. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
Now, if you're someone who thinks that you're just too savvy | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
to be taken in by a scam, well, don't be so sure, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
because here's one that's not only fiendishly clever | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
but is very much on the rise. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
So pay attention to how they do it, because remember, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
the next person they target could very well be you. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
It's a scam that always starts the same way, with a simple phone call, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
as cake-maker Fiona Keen discovered in January last year. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
'I was phoned on a Sunday night about nine o'clock' | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
by someone called Alex from a 24-hour fraud team | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
who seemed to know all my details - my name, my phone number, my address - | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
and he said I'd been a victim of a Section 24 fraud, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
my Barclaycard had been, um, cloned, and all my cards had been cloned. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Claiming to be from Barclaycard, Alex told Fiona | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
that her details were already being used | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
to buy things like petrol and mobile phone credit, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and to prove that it wasn't her racking up the cash, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
he needed to send a courier round to collect her cards. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
I immediately said, "I'm not handing my cards over to you," | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
and he said that if they put the cards through a machine, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
it could be proved that I hadn't used the cards, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
then I would definitely get the money back. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
But she refused to hand over her cards. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
And that is when things got really sneaky, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
because Alex asked her to put the phone down | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
and call the customer care number on the back of her Barclaycard. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
I put the phone down to Alex | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
and picked up the phone and I didn't listen for a dial tone | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
and then I phoned the customer care line on the back of Barclaycard | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
and I got through to a person and, you know, explained what happened. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
He said, "I'm just going to put you through to the fraud team," | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
and immediately I got through to this Alex. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
But Fiona wasn't speaking to Barclaycard at all. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
In fact, there's no such thing as Section 24 fraud. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Unbeknown to her, when she'd hung up the phone, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Alex hadn't disconnected his end of the call | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and was still on the line, which is exactly where he kept Fiona. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
And 30 minutes into the call, a man arrived, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
supposedly a courier from the credit card company, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
ready to collect all six of her cards. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
When I was handing over the cards, I was shaking, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
because I was giving away my personal things, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
and it's just not something that I would normally do. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
So the courier left, claiming to be | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
safely taking the cards across London | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
so that they could be checked and a block put on them. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Alex told Fiona she needed to stay on the line until he made it back | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
and was through police security. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
He eventually got through, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
and that's when he asked me to read out the PIN numbers | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
so he could block them. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
Now eating out of the fraudsters' hands, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Fiona proceeded to give them the PIN codes for five of her cards | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
and she was relieved when Alex said | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
they could prove that she hadn't used them | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
and she'd be getting all her money back - if she unplugged her phone. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
He said to me, "We need your line in order to wire the money back to you," | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
and that he would tell me when to put the line back. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Fiona followed his instructions and disconnected her landline. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
I do realise now it was so people couldn't contact me. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
So as arranged, the fraudster rang Fiona again the next day | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
on her mobile, to update her | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
on the progress supposedly being made with her case. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
He said that they had the CCTV, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
they had the pictures of the people who had been frauding my cards. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
And even though I had doubts at the back of my mind, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I just kept saying to myself, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
"Oh, you're being silly, because they're sorting it out for you." | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
And he did say to me, "You won't need to contact your bank, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
"I'm dealing with that for you as well." | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
The reassuring calls to Fiona's mobile continued. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
But when they stopped, she reconnected her landline, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and that is when she was horrified to realise she'd been scammed. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
I found all the messages on the phone | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
that people had been trying to contact me, and the banks, M&S, | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
to tell me... I actually felt sick. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Fiona discovered that the fraudsters | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
had quickly made full use of her cards, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
spending a total of £15,000. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Now, luckily she could prove that she'd been a victim of fraud | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and she got her money back within a week. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Barclaycard told us that they are aware of this scam | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and would never, ever call asking for personal details | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
or requiring cards to be returned, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
and anyone who receives a request like this | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
should end the call immediately. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
But this is a very effective scam. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
In the first eight months of last year, thieves managed to snaffle | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
ten times the amount of money from it as they did in the whole of 2011, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
a cool £7.5 million. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
So to avoid being caught out, remember, no bank will ever, ever | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
ask you for your PIN number over the telephone. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
Meanwhile, although Fiona has her money back, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
she's now on a security register | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
and will have to go through enhanced checks | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
when trying to get credit in the future. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
This experience has really shaken me up, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
but I'm very relieved to have all my money back. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
It is an extremely sophisticated scam. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Next, three letters that have become a real financial hot potato | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
over the last couple of years, PPI. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
I'm sure you know by now that stands for Payment Protection Insurance, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
a policy that turned out to be mis-sold to million of people | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
right across the UK. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
And as a result, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
what seems like no end of companies have sprung up offering to help you | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
claim back money that you should never have paid in the first place. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
Well, we've investigated some of those companies before, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
but I'm afraid they show no sign of going away, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
despite the fact that most people don't even need their help anyway. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
You'd be much better ignoring the middle man | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
and claiming your money back yourself, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
something this next couple wishes they'd known BEFORE they signed up. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Like many people, grandparents Ann and Michael Costello | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
had no idea that they might be entitled to money | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
that they were owed in mis-sold Payment Protection Insurance, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
until, that is, two years ago, when Ann received a call out of the blue. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
A company called Tucan Claims called me, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
saying they could get me PPI back from any credit cards | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
or any loans that I've had over so many years, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
and they said they'd already refunded | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
lots of money for a lot of customers. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
So she signed up, agreeing to pay Tucan Claims 10% of whatever | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
they recovered on her behalf plus an upfront fee of £250, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
although she did wonder why that was necessary. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
I thought that if they did the job right, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
if they were charging the 10% fee, that's their way of being paid. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
Tucan Claims told Ann that seven different companies | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
could owe her money, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
but in order to access her records, she needed to pay each of them £10, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
which she did. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
But it took over a year before Tucan sent her a confirmation letter | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
to say that they'd been successful with a claim. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
They stated that they'd negotiated a refund of £802 from a credit card. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:22 | |
Of course, I was really pleased, because this was the first time | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
any money looked as though it was coming back to me. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
Well, it may have looked like cash was on its way, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
but sadly, it never materialised. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
So Ann rang the credit card company that was making the refund | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
to check why they hadn't sent the money on to Tucan. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
And what she was told next came as quite a shock. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
They'd already sent the money to Tucan Claims, so that was it. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
My money had gone into Tucan Claims's bank. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
I've not seen it since. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Although they'd certainly received her money, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Tucan Claims had not sent one penny of it on to Ann. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
So what HAD they done with it? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
I was calling two or three times a week | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
to try and chase up where this money was. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Excuse after excuse. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
I never got an answer to when the money was coming at all. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
Ann and her husband decided to do their own research | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
into reclaiming Payment Protection Insurance, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
and they soon discovered a website | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
that they wished they'd known about in the first place. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
It just said "Download this information | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
"and you can send off and find out yourself | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
"if you've got PPI on any loans or any credit cards," which he did. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
And within five weeks, he got a cheque back into the bank. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
So while her husband Michael had got his PPI payment back | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
without paying a middle man, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
Ann was left bitterly regretting that she'd ever agreed | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
to let Tucan Claims reclaim money on her behalf. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
I just feel totally disgusted with Tucan Claims. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
They're just not a help to anybody. You don't need them. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
You can do everything yourself, and I'm absolutely... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
fed up. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
In February of last year, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:05 | |
three months after Tucan Claims had cashed the cheque, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Ann got in touch with them once again. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
On the advice of the Citizens Advice Bureau, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
she threatened them with court action if they didn't pay up within 28 days. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
I've not heard a single word from them. They're just not interested. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Ann isn't the only one unhappy with Tucan Claims. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
In April of last year, the Ministry of Justice, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
which regulates companies like these, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
prohibited them from providing any further claims-management activities. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
And that line of action happens regularly. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
In the last year, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
the Ministry of Justice has banned or warned 252 PPI claims companies. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
That about a quarter of the industry. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
As for Tucan Claims, the company has now gone into liquidation, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
which perhaps explains why no-one from the company responded | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
to our calls, e-mails or letters. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
They were ordered to repay all refunds to customers by last May, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
but Ann still hasn't got her money back. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
She can try to claim it back through Tucan's administrators, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
but so far, she's had no luck. However, there is some light on the horizon. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:13 | |
From later this year, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
Ann and anyone else who has lost money through claims | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
management companies will be able to take their case to the legal | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
ombudsman, who will be able to make sure compensation is given | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
where appropriate. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:26 | |
But for the time being, Ann has learnt the hard way that | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
if you want to reclaim your PPI, the best way is to do it yourself. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
For more information on how to do that, you can | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
always log on to our website. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
It's bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
Rip-Off Britain has opened up a pop-up shop. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Inside, our team of experts is ready | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
and waiting to help consumers with their problems. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
You know you're in the right | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
and almost certainly your case will be upheld. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
And one of the first to see Trading Standards expert Sylvia Rook | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
was Aisha. She needs steering in the right direction after being | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
ripped off by her driving school. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
I paid for 10 block-book lessons and I only got seven of those lessons, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
and then the driving school closed down, and I didn't get my money back. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
-How much did you pay? -£180. -What is the situation with that, then, Sylvia? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
Unfortunately, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:34 | |
the problem that you face, that the company that has been bought | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
out by a different company, and as soon as a company takes over | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
another one, the liabilities of the previous company go, so, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
unfortunately, the existing company are under no obligation at all | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
to give you a refund. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:49 | |
You didn't pay only credit card or anything, did you? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
If you'd paid by credit card, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:53 | |
there might have been some way of getting your money back. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Are you saying she has got to write that off to experience? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
She is never going to get the money back? | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
I'm afraid that's the only thing I can say. Yes, I'm afraid so. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Not the answer Aisha was hoping for. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
But the good news is she has now passed her test. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Now, we are told paying bills by direct debit will save us money, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
but personal finance expert Sarah Pennells' next case Anera | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
is being penalised because she would rather not pay that way. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
All the other companies that I have my regular bills with, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
one in particular, I get charged £5 every month | 0:14:24 | 0:14:30 | |
if I don't pay by direct debit. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Companies absolutely love direct debits. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
They say they like direct debits | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
because they are much cheaper to process. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
The real reason they like direct debits is that once you pay | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
by direct debit, you are much less likely to check your bill, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
you are much less likely to switch away. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
I think you've got a couple of choices. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Firstly, you could try and escalate it with this company and say, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
"Is there a way that I can pay regularly?" Some other way | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
that is low-cost for them to process without getting penalised. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Secondly, the other choice is to vote with your feet | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
and switch to another company. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
-Thank you for your help. -You're very welcome. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Now, unfortunately, there is always someone out there who is | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
prepared to do absolutely anything to part you from your hard-earned cash. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
And they're always on the lookout for new ways in which they can do it, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
so you can bet that whenever some bright spark comes up | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
with an idea that is supposed to make our lives easier, someone else is | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
immediately going to find a way to turn that to their advantage. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
And judging from the e-mails and letters you have sent us, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
that is exactly what seems to be happening with Ukash vouchers - | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
a very simple but increasingly popular way to make payments - | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
but scamsters are using them to rip you off. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
And here is how they're doing it. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
In May last year, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
Karen McCracken from Nottinghamshire was thrilled | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
when she received a call from a withheld number claiming | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
she had won £10,000 from Royal Mail. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
'They phoned up at half past ten 10 the morning, saying that' | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
I had won this £10,000, and it was from Royal Mail. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
'It was quite exciting, to be fair, I must admit.' | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
But to claim it, they asked her for a £50 admin fee, which she | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
would have to pay using a Ukash voucher. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Well, I said that I would have to speak to my husband about it, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
and they turned around and said, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
"You don't need your husband's permission for this. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I says, "Well, I think I do, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
"cos I haven't got that kind of money to give you anyway." | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
And he says, "Oh," he says, "I'll phone you back on Monday." | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
He did call back on Monday morning, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
still falsely claiming to be from Royal Mail, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
but when Karen declined the offer, he became aggressive, insisting | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
they must have that admin fee whether she wanted her prize or not. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
'They just kept saying that I would need a solicitor, and he went,' | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
"I'm going to send the police round to your door | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
"to get this money, because you're breaking the law not giving me it." | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
'And it got me really scared, to be honest.' | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Then, when I come off the phone, I cried. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
Karen didn't fall for what the man was saying but only | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
because the previous year, she had been targeted in a similar way. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
She had again been told that to claim a £10,000 cash prize, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
she would have to pay an admin fee, and that time, she had done it. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
They told me I needed a Ukash voucher and they then told me | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
where the shop was, what street it was on and stuff like... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
And I had never heard of them before. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Ukash vouchers are prepaid shopping vouchers that can be | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
purchased at shops across the country. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
You buy a voucher for the amount you want | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
and then use the unique number printed on it to spend the money. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
The woman on the phone to Karen said that she would call back | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
to get the code, once she bought the voucher. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
So, I went and got the £50 voucher, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
and then they said that that would be it, I would get the cheque. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
Karen had just unwittingly handed over £50 she would never see again. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
The woman who called her | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
was using the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to scam her. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
Karen only realised that when her winnings failed to arrive. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
'The cheque never come after Christmas, cos we thought,' | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
"Oh, Christmas time, it'll be lovely. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
"We'll get the kids something nice." But it never come. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Ukash is a convenient way of paying online at websites | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
if you don't have a bank account or debit or credit cards, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
but once you have handed over the serial number, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
the payment is completely untraceable. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
It is as if you had used cash, and, unlike using a credit or debit card, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
you have absolutely no protection... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
..as Karen learned the hard way. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Then I went, "Oh, we've lost 50 quid." | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
And it was my last 50 quid out of my bank, to be fair. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
Cos we didn't get paid till the week after. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
After the second incident, she reported the calls to the police | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
and to Nottinghamshire Trading Standards, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
who issued a warning about the scam. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
These particular kind of cold calls are particularly difficult | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
because of the aggression that is used. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
'They are possibly targeting people who haven't got the facility | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
'to use credit cards and debit cards so readily.' | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Ukash vouchers are a brilliant idea. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
They work in a lot of circumstances, but you do need to remember that | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
when you give that number over, it is effectively handing the cash over. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Across the UK, whether it is on the phone or online, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Ukash vouchers are being exploited by crooks in all sorts of ways. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
In London, conmen have claimed to be police, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
needing a fee paid with Ukash to remove illegal content from PCs. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
In Dunbartonshire, targets have been told | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
they are entitled to money from unclaimed insurance policies. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
And in Gloucestershire, a recent scam was more elaborate still. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
A woman reported handing £600 worth of Ukash vouchers to a man | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
who had first rung to say she was entitled | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
to £4,000 worth of mis-sold PPI, then turned up at her house | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
with very convincing forms for her to sign. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
So, are Ukash doing enough to keep consumers safe? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
'Let's see what the company's chief executive David Hunter has to say | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
'about the way that the system is being abused.' | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
These criminals are exploiting the fact that people can be | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
convinced to use the product in a way it's not designed to be used, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
against our strict terms of use, against the alerts we have | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
put on the vouchers saying, "Please do not give details away to anybody. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
"Only use at participating Ukash websites." This has been exploited. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
So, David, what it is the key advice you would give people to make sure | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
they don't get taken for a ride and don't have their money taken? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
I think it is really important that people recognise this is like cash. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
That number, that is the security of their value. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
Please don't give that to anybody, over the phone or by e-mail, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
unless you want them to have the value. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Following our last programme featuring this issue, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Ukash says it has seen | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
a 45% reduction in new victims | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
of this kind of scam coming to them, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
and in January, a criminal gang | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
with a similar operation was arrested abroad. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
They're actually picking on people that need the money, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
and they're vulnerable anyway, so they're going to take the money. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Very nasty people. Very nasty people. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
We all make mistakes, and big companies are no exception. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
It is what they do to put those mistakes right that can leave you | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
feeling ripped off, so you need to know what your rights are | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
and where to go when you don't think you have been treated fairly. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
So we have put together a booklet of tips and advice. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
You can find a link to the free guide on our website. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
It is at bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Or to receive a copy in the post, send a stamped, self-addressed | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
A5 envelope to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Now, if you're really being honest, which one of us hasn't at some | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
stage dreamt of what we could do if we won that small fortune in cash? | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
So, imagine how you would feel if you suddenly received | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
a letter in the post saying that you had won thousands of pounds. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
Not that you stood a chance of winning it, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
but that already the money was definitely yours. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
On average, every household receives 377 pieces of junk mail | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
through its letterbox each year, and it can be very hard to decide | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
what is junk and what is a genuine offer or promise. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
A dilemma faced by Alan Downing last year when he started getting | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
letters saying that he had won huge cash prizes. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
"We hereby confirm that the amount of this cheque is £15,500." | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
15,500, 15,500, 15,500, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:07 | |
15,500 and 20,500. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
If all this did come to me, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
I would be one of the richest men in Manchester. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
The letters came from a mail order company called Star Shopping, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
which has a post office address in Dublin. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
They said they guaranteed a cash prize. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
And with such a clear promise, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
72-year-old Alan just couldn't resist replying. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
When I saw the documents, I thought, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
"Well, we can all do with 20 and a half grand for doing nothing." | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
I was quite wary it was going to be a scam, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
but I thought, "I will continue, because it only costs me a stamp." | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Star Shopping quickly wrote back. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Not with a cheque, but with an assurance that | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
if Alan ordered something from the catalogue they had sent, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
the money would be dispatched right away. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
Their catalogue said I didn't have to buy anything, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
but, if I did, it would speed it up. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
So, Alan placed an order. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
I got the goods. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
I got this plastic squeegee thing on a piece of plastic but no cheque. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
And, funnily enough, there are still hasn't been. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
Although over the next six months Alan received a further 25 letters | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
insisting that the money was still waiting for him | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
at Star Shopping's headquarters, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
and all he had to do to get it was order more. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
20,500, this one. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:32 | |
"Mr Downing, this is the best day of your life." | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
I thought that was my wedding day. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
"You are the one and only | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
"lucky winning beneficiary of the Big Bank cheque for 20,500." | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
They don't give up with this. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:49 | |
But I'm afraid Alan has given up on ever receiving his prize. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
Still, at least he didn't waste too much money. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
Unlike John Cooper from Bournemouth. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
He received the same letters from Star Shopping and indeed from | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
other mail order companies, some of which appear to be connected. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
He was also told that as soon as he ordered from the catalogues, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
his five-figure prize would be on its way. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
I probably placed about 16 to 18 orders with Star, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
and with their other mail order firms, probably about another 10. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Generally speaking, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
I suppose the orders would come to about £15-20 each time. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
When John contacted Star Shopping to see where his winner's cheque was, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
three of the company directors assured him | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
in writing that it would be sent to him shortly. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Believing that his winnings were on their way, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
John spent £350 on Star Shopping products alone. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
He also spent almost £200 on goods from the other catalogues, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
because they too promised that he had won big cash prizes. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
There's probably about 300 different pamphlets, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
envelopes and letters, all of which are clearly pointing out that | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
a massive prize has been won by myself. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
When something makes a statement like that in business, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
on a contract, and firms make that contract, then they must stand by it. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
And if it is lies or deceit, it is fraud. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Now, you may also have received catalogues like these. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Many of them have addresses in either the Netherlands or Belgium, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
and several of them | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
have links to a Belgian mail order company, a business | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
that the Office Of Fair Trading has taken action against in the past, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
all as part of an ongoing battle about these kinds of prize draws. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
But I'm afraid that hasn't stopped the same sort | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
of misleading letters being sent to countless households across the UK. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
We contacted all the companies who had written to John to ask | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
why neither he nor anyone else we have heard from has ever | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
received the prize they were supposedly guaranteed. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Not one of them replied. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
So, Alan has some words of wisdom for anyone who receives | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
a letter like this, suggesting they have won a cash prize. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
My advice to anyone who gets these is don't even look at. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Just stick it in the bin. Or return to sender. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Cos you're not going to get it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:20 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we are | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
always ready to investigate more of your stories. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
Or send us an e-mail to... | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
So, as we have heard today, sometimes we need to manage our own | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
expectations before getting too excited about an offer | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
or a promise that may not be quite as good as the website | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
or the ads would have us believe. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
But even so, when you are forking out good money, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
you really should expect to get what you pay for | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
and if you don't, then you need to make sure that you know your rights | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
so that you know the most effective way of getting your money back. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
And do think about the way you pay for things. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
Remember that paying by credit card will usually give you protection | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
if something does go wrong. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
Well, that's all we've got time for today, but we hope you can | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
join us next time when we will be looking into more of your stories. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
-Till then, from all of us, bye-bye. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
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