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We asked YOU to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands by post,

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e-mail, even stopping us on the streets.

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The message could not be clearer.

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They're in it for what they can get, not to provide a service.

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I didn't sleep. It upset me so much that I didn't sleep.

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You've told us with money tighter than ever,

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you need to be sure every pound you spend is worth it.

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How do I get me money back? I just think I'm entitled to it.

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So whether it's a deliberate rip-off,

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a simple mistake or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions, keep... Go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories. Your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and a very warm welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that battles on your behalf

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to find out exactly why, after handing over your cash,

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you may end up with nothing like you expected.

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Or indeed, as with some of the people we'll be hearing from today,

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you may end up with a big fat zero, nothing at all.

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That's because when you sign up to a deal that doesn't materialise,

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it's very often because you've been persuaded to do so

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by either very convincing advertisements

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or smooth-talking salesmen.

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Now, of course, companies depend on both of those things

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to boost their profits,

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but in the situations you've been telling us about,

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too often, those profits can mean your loss.

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It's not always easy to tell whether something's a bargain or bogus,

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which is why among our cases today

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are people who've lost hundreds, even thousands, of pounds

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because of promises that haven't come true.

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But the good news is, we've got some excellent advice

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to stop the same thing happening to you.

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On today's programme...

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new ways scamsters can con you out of your cash

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and one of them has cost this family hundreds of pounds.

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I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan

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but I'm also having to cover the cost that we have lost

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through applying for this loan.

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The promises of guaranteed cash prizes

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dropping through your letter box - but do they ever pay out?

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This is a cheque for £20,500

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and if it's lies or deceit, it's fraud.

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And our experts pop up in one of Britain's biggest shopping centres

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to solve more of your problems face-to-face.

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Anyone who cold-calls has to make sure they don't call people

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who are on this list, so that is definitely the thing to do.

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Now if you're someone who thinks

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that you're just too savvy to be taken in by a scam,

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well, don't be so sure.

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Because here's one that's not only fiendishly clever

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but is very much on the rise.

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In fact, in the first four months of this year,

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thieves managed to snaffle the same amount of money from it

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as they did in the whole of 2011 -

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a cool £750,000,

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three quarters of a million quid.

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So pay attention to how they do it

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because remember, the next person they target could very well be you.

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Now it's important to try and stay ahead

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of crooks and conmen who employ cunning tactics

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to come up with ways to get their hands on your cash.

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Some scams may start with a simple phone call,

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as cake-maker Fiona Keen discovered back in January.

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'I was phoned on the Sunday night about 9pm'

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by someone called Alex from a 24-hour fraud team

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who seemed to know all my details - my name, my phone number, my address,

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and he said I'd been a victim of a Section 24 fraud,

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my Barclaycard had been, um, cloned and all my cards had been cloned.

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Claiming to be from Barclaycard, the man calling himself Alex

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told Fiona that her details were already being used

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to buy things like petrol and mobile phone credit

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and to prove that it wasn't her racking up the cash,

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he needed to send a courier round to collect her cards.

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I immediately said, "I'm not handing my cards over to you,"

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and he said no, no, no it was a new system,

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that if they put the cards through a machine and it could be proved

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that I hadn't used the cards in the places where there'd been activity,

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then I would definitely get the money back.

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The caller warned that if Fiona didn't cooperate,

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it was unlikely that she'd ever get the money back.

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But she refused to hand over her cards.

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And that is when things got really sneaky.

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When I was becoming suspicious, Alex asked me

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to phone the customer care number on the back of my Barclaycard

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to verify that it was a genuine fraud.

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I put the phone down to Alex

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and picked up the phone and I didn't listen for a dial tone

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and then I phoned the customer care line on the back of Barclaycard

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and I got through to a person and, you know, explained what happened.

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He said, "I'm just going to put you through to the fraud team,"

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and immediately I got through to this Alex.

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Although the whole situation felt quite strange,

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I was quite relieved to be put through to Barclaycard

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from the number I'd called on the back of the card.

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But Fiona wasn't speaking to Barclaycard at all.

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Unbeknown to her, when she'd hung up the phone to this so-called Alex,

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he hadn't disconnected his end of the call, and was still on the line.

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So Fiona wasn't talking to a genuine fraud department.

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In fact, there's no such thing as Section 24 fraud.

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And whoever he really was -

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Alex certainly didn't work for Barclaycard.

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But his phone trick had won Fiona over

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and he kept her on the line until the courier arrived.

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He asked me to wrap the cards in tissue paper

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and to put it in an envelope

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and to write "NW1" and then a code number.

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30 minutes into the call, a man arrived,

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ready to collect all six of Fiona's bank cards.

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I have to say, it did look a little bit shifty.

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When I was handing over the cards, I was shaking

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because I was giving away my personal things

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and it's just not something that I would normally do.

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The courier left, supposedly taking the cards across London

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to where they could be checked and a block put on them.

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And Alex said he needed Fiona to stay on the line until they arrived.

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I kept asking, "Can I put the phone down now?" And he said, "No, no, no."

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He said to me, "He's just going through security now,"

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to make it sound fairly professional, that it was a police organisation.

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He eventually got through

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and that's when he asked me to read out the PIN numbers

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so he could block them.

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Now eating out of the fraudsters' hands,

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Fiona proceeded to give them the PIN codes for five of her cards

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and she was relieved when Alex said

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they could prove that she hadn't used them

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and she'd be getting all her money back - if she unplugged her phone.

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He said to me, "We need your line in order to wire the money back to you,"

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and that he would tell me when to put the line back.

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By this time, it was almost 11pm

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and after being on the phone for two hours to Alex,

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who Fiona still believed was from Barclaycard's fraud team,

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she followed his instructions and disconnected her landline.

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I felt quite suspicious. I've never been asked to undo my phone line

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and I do realise now it was so people couldn't contact me.

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So as arranged, the fraudster rang Fiona again the next day

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on her mobile, to update her

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on the progress supposedly being made with her case.

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He had been keeping in contact with me

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on my mobile phone at various times of day,

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just to tell me how things were going and he said that they had the CCTV,

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they had the pictures of the people who had been frauding my cards.

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He was being very chatting and charming,

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and even though I had doubts at the back of my mind,

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I just kept saying to myself,

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"Oh, you're being silly, because they're sorting it out for you."

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And he did say to me, "You won't need to contact your bank,

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"I'm dealing with that for you as well."

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The reassuring calls to Fiona's mobile continued.

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But when they stopped, she reconnected her landline

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and that is when she was horrified to realise she'd been scammed.

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I found all the messages on the phone

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that people had been trying to contact me, and the banks, M&S,

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to tell me... I actually felt sick.

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To have your cards actually taken from your own home is unbelievable

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and it's really quite shocking how smooth that happened.

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Fiona discovered that the fraudsters

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had quickly made full use of her cards.

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I can see that they were spending as soon as Sunday,

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so they got straight onto it

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and for the next two days, they were spending in large amounts.

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400, 500, and then into the thousands.

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The total amount they've spent on this particular card is £7,000.

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In fact, they maxed out my card.

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In total, the fraudsters spent £15,000.

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Luckily, Barclaycard provide customers with a fraud guarantee

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so they won't lose out,

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and as Fiona could prove that she'd been a victim of fraud,

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she got her money back within a week.

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Barclaycard told us that they're aware of this scam,

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but would never, ever call asking for personal details

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or requiring cards to be returned

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and anyone who receives a request like that should end the call.

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Meanwhile, although Fiona has her money back,

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she's now on a security register

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and will have to go through enhanced checks

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when trying to get credit in the future.

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I couldn't believe that it happened to me

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because I'm not the sort of person to give my cards away.

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The whole of this experience has really shaken me up,

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but I'm very relieved to have all my money back.

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It is an extremely sophisticated scam.

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Well, fabulous news, of course, that Fiona has got her money back.

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But someone somewhere has still done very well out of that scam.

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So Neil Aitken from the Payments Council is here

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with advice on how to make sure, in similar situations,

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that you can protect yourself and, of course, your money.

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You might find that you're cold-called at home

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by someone posing either as someone from your bank or from the police.

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They might have a bit of personal information about you.

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They might know who you bank with.

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but they will reveal themselves to be fraudsters

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by the extra information they ask for,

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that your bank or the police would never request from you.

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The thing to really watch out for

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is if they try and persuade you

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to enter your PIN.

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That could be reading it out over the phone

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or entering it into the telephone keypad.

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Your PIN is completely personal to you.

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No-one from your bank will ever request it.

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The scam develops and they tell you

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they're going to send round a courier to pick up your cards.

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Again, this should set alarm bells ringing immediately.

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Your bank or the police

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will never, ever send someone round

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to pick up your card.

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If this does happen, it means you know you are talking to a fraudster.

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They will try and win your trust

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by saying, "Call us back on the number on the back of your card."

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What they will actually do is keep the phone line open at their end.

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They might even play the noise of a dial tone down the phone

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to persuade you that when you call back,

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you're speaking to the real deal.

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Take a minute. You don't need to call back immediately.

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If you've got a mobile phone, call back on that,

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on the advertised number you have

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and then you can be sure you're getting through to the right people.

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If you think you've been a victim of this fraud,

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contact the police straightaway,

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then speak to your bank immediately.

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Report your cards lost and stolen.

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No-one who's an innocent victim of fraud

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will ever lose out financially.

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Now, unfortunately, there's always someone out there

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who is prepared to do absolutely anything

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to part you from your hard-earned cash

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and they're always on the lookout

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for new ways in which they can do it.

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So you can bet that whenever some bright spark comes up with an idea

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that's supposed to make our lives easier,

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someone else is immediately going to find a way

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to turn that to their advantage.

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And judging from the e-mails and the letters you've sent us this year,

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that is exactly what seems to be happening with Ukash vouchers -

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a very simple but increasingly popular way to make payments.

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But the scamsters are using them to rip you off

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and here is how they're doing it.

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For Louise Beard and her soldier husband Lee, every penny counts.

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One step, two steps tickles everywhere!

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Lee is often posted abroad, and while he's away,

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running the family finances falls on Louise's shoulders.

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Recently, that meant sorting out the final repayments on their car.

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They'd bought it on a deal

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where the biggest monthly payment was saved until last...

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One, two, three, up!

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..so a bill for almost £6,000 was looming.

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We'd bought a car on finance in 2009

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and it's due to finish

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while my husband's away in Afghan,

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so I was looking online to see if I could get a loan that way.

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After she entered her details on a website,

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Louise was delighted to get a call offering her a £15,000 loan.

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Hoping that this was the answer to her financial worries,

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she checked out the credentials of the company,

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who called themselves Citi Financial.

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I checked the Financial Services Authority number

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and the licence number, and it all looked legit

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so I went ahead with the £15,000 loan.

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As well as that research,

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she was sent an official-looking e-mail confirming her application.

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So Louise was happy that this company was genuine.

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So when this so-called "Citi Financial" got back in touch

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asking for a £215 fee to process her application,

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she wasn't worried.

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I just had to pay a small processing fee by Ukash voucher

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and they also gave me the address of a local shop

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to go and collect the voucher from, which I was happy to do

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because I knew that other loan companies ask for a processing fee.

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Ukash vouchers are pre-paid shopping vouchers

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that you can purchase at shops across the country.

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You buy a voucher for the amount that you want,

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then use the unique number printed on it to spend the money.

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It's a quick and easy process, very similar to using cash

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because once you've handed over the number, that's the money spent

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and there's no way of getting it back.

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I went into the local shop.

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I purchased the voucher which had the voucher number on the receipt,

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I then come out the shop, phoned up the company,

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gave them the voucher number and the expiry date.

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Little did Louise know that the company was not

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who they said they were. But now they had her hooked...

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Would you like some fish food?

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..and it was time to reel her in.

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An hour later, they called Louise again - suddenly changing the deal.

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They said my earnings weren't high enough,

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so I would need to purchase another Ukash voucher

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to prove that I could pay the monthly instalments

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and I couldn't afford to lose the money that I'd already put down,

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so I went and got the next voucher.

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Determined to get the loan sorted,

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Louise dashed to the shop to buy a second voucher -

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this time for £300, enough to cover the extra fee of £299.

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She then called the company, gave them the voucher number...

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But shortly afterwards, they rang her back.

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'I was then told they couldn't use the voucher

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'because it had to be for £299 only'

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and I would need to go and purchase one for 299

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but I could still use the £300 one

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to pay my bills, my gas, my electric,

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so I thought, "Well, that's OK," cos I needed to pay them.

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So Louise went out and bought a third voucher,

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for the exact amount of £299.

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By now, she'd handed over more than £800.

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And alarm bells started ringing

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when someone from the company rang her back yet again

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asking for more.

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He said to me that the money was all ready to go into my account

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but I would need to pay a soft electronic transfer

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which I would get back as soon as I'd done it

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but I would need to pay another lot of money.

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I then realised something wasn't right

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and I told him, I said to him,

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"Let's just forget about the application and refund my money."

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He then told me he couldn't do that, and hung up the phone.

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I was gutted, I didn't know how to tell my husband...

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It was awful, I was devastated with it.

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And that devastation only got worse.

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Because although the company had led Louise to believe

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that they would not be cashing in the second voucher for £300,

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they already had.

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They ended up cashing every voucher,

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which worked out about £815 in total.

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'I don't even earn that in a month.'

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'When she told me, I was obviously really gutted.

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'I thought, like, it's quite a lot of money to just lose in one go.'

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You can only check everything you know about

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and obviously, these guys are working around that

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and doing a really good job at what they do,

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which is to con money out of normal people.

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Desperate to get their money back,

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Louise has tried calling the company on the number that they gave her.

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There's no reply.

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It's just ringing like it always does.

0:18:080:18:10

There is a genuine company with a similar name

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to the one that the scamsters used.

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Based in the City of London,

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it's called CitiFinancial Europe plc, part of the Citibank Group.

0:18:190:18:24

They no longer even offer loans

0:18:240:18:27

and now have a warning on their website about companies

0:18:270:18:30

using names or reference numbers that are similar to theirs

0:18:300:18:34

to scam you out of money.

0:18:340:18:36

They advise anyone offered a loan in this way to contact the police.

0:18:360:18:40

And whoever the scamsters really were, they were able to

0:18:400:18:44

exploit the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to trick Louise

0:18:440:18:50

out of over £800 - money she could not afford to lose.

0:18:500:18:55

I'm angry with it because I was hoping to have it a bit easier

0:18:560:19:00

when he's in Afghan, but it hasn't,

0:19:000:19:02

it's put a lot more pressure on me

0:19:020:19:04

because I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan,

0:19:040:19:07

but I'm also having to cover the cost that we have lost

0:19:070:19:10

through applying for this loan.

0:19:100:19:12

Well, later in the programme we're going to be hearing more about

0:19:120:19:16

situations where Ukash payments have been targeted by scamsters.

0:19:160:19:20

And we'll also going to be talking to the company behind the scheme

0:19:200:19:23

to see what they've done to make it safe.

0:19:230:19:25

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the mail shots that promise

0:19:250:19:30

a life-changing sum of money, so what's the catch?

0:19:300:19:32

But how likely is it that your money will ever arrive?

0:19:320:19:37

My advice to anybody that gets it is don't even look at it,

0:19:370:19:40

just stick it in the bin.

0:19:400:19:41

Rip-Off Britain is on the road again.

0:19:460:19:49

For one weekend only, we've set up our very own pop-up shop.

0:19:490:19:54

We're hoping we can solve as many of your problems as possible,

0:19:560:19:59

face-to-face.

0:19:590:20:00

And we've a team of experts on hand to answer questions

0:20:020:20:04

and offer detailed help and advice.

0:20:040:20:07

The rising cost of car insurance, pensions and petrol prices -

0:20:100:20:13

just some of the issues you've been keen to got off your chests

0:20:130:20:17

in our special Gripe Box.

0:20:170:20:19

But there's one particular gripe

0:20:190:20:21

that quite a few of you wanted to share.

0:20:210:20:24

The thing that really annoys me is cold calling on the telephones.

0:20:240:20:28

As far as I'm concerned I'm supposed to be ex-directory

0:20:280:20:30

and nobody's supposed to have my number.

0:20:300:20:32

They'll ring until they get an answer,

0:20:320:20:34

It's just annoying, very annoying.

0:20:340:20:37

Absolutely fed up with them.

0:20:370:20:39

Even up to nine o'clock at night.

0:20:390:20:41

Everybody trying to sell you something one way or another.

0:20:410:20:45

It sounds as though those unwanted sales calls

0:20:450:20:48

are a real bugbear for many of you.

0:20:480:20:51

So our colleagues from BBC Skillswise have put together

0:20:510:20:55

some tips on how best to deal with them.

0:20:550:20:58

We can save you over £10 a month.

0:20:590:21:01

With an actress playing the part of a salesperson,

0:21:010:21:03

they've come up with a cold-call challenge

0:21:030:21:07

to put consumers - including us - to the test.

0:21:070:21:09

What are you calling yourselves again?

0:21:090:21:11

Hello?

0:21:110:21:13

-Hello, is that Mrs Jones?

-Yes.

0:21:130:21:16

How are you today, Mrs Jones? I hope you've been making

0:21:160:21:18

the most of this lovely weather we've been having.

0:21:180:21:20

You're going to sell me something, aren't you?

0:21:200:21:22

Well, I have got a fantastic offer to make you, Mrs Jones.

0:21:220:21:25

No, no don't. Let me stop you right there. Thank you so much.

0:21:250:21:28

I'm really not interested, but thank you so much for your call. Bye!

0:21:280:21:31

And that's how I do it. Just get rid of them!

0:21:310:21:35

Fantastic.

0:21:350:21:37

But what - if anything -

0:21:370:21:38

can you do to stop receiving cold-calls in the first place?

0:21:380:21:41

Clifford March popped in to find out.

0:21:410:21:45

-Cold calls.

-Yeah.

0:21:450:21:46

We went ex-directory to stop this

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but we've been getting hundreds upon hundreds of cold calls.

0:21:480:21:51

There is quite an easy solution.

0:21:510:21:53

There's the Telephone Preference Service

0:21:530:21:55

which is free to register for.

0:21:550:21:58

You literally give them your telephone number

0:21:580:22:00

and you fill it in online or you can give them a call and speak to them.

0:22:000:22:04

It takes two to three minutes to do

0:22:040:22:06

and then that will stop all nuisance calls.

0:22:060:22:08

Anyone who cold calls has to make sure that they don't call

0:22:080:22:11

people on this list so that's what to do

0:22:110:22:13

and that should solve your problem for you.

0:22:130:22:15

Well, that's absolutely fantastic, Dominic, thank you very much indeed.

0:22:150:22:19

The Telephone Preference Service isn't foolproof,

0:22:210:22:24

but it's the essential starting point for stopping unwanted calls.

0:22:240:22:27

Hopefully now it'll stop and, um, I can't believe how easy it was.

0:22:290:22:36

We all make mistakes and big companies are no exception.

0:22:390:22:44

It's what they do or don't do to put those mistakes right

0:22:440:22:48

that can leave you feeling ripped-off,

0:22:480:22:49

so you need to know what your rights are and where to go

0:22:490:22:52

if you don't feel you've been treated fairly.

0:22:520:22:55

We've put together a free booklet of practical tips and advice.

0:22:550:22:58

You can download it from our website...

0:22:580:23:02

Or to receive a copy in the post,

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send an A5 stamped and self-addressed envelope

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to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme.

0:23:100:23:13

Now if you're really being honest,

0:23:150:23:17

which one of us hasn't at some stage dreamt of what we'd do

0:23:170:23:21

if we won that small fortune in cash?

0:23:210:23:23

So imagine how you'd feel if you suddenly received

0:23:230:23:26

a letter in the post saying that you'd won thousands of pounds.

0:23:260:23:30

Not that you stood a chance of winning it, but that already,

0:23:300:23:33

the money was definitely yours.

0:23:330:23:35

Now you'd probably think it was all too good to be true, but then again,

0:23:350:23:38

when it's all there, written in black and white, you might also

0:23:380:23:41

hope for the best and just wait for your windfall to arrive.

0:23:410:23:44

Alan Dowling received a letter just like that.

0:23:440:23:47

So was Lady Luck truly on his side?

0:23:470:23:50

And if not, what was really going on?

0:23:500:23:52

On average, every household receives 377 pieces of junk mail

0:23:560:24:00

through its letterbox each year.

0:24:000:24:02

And it can be very hard to decide what is junk

0:24:020:24:05

and what is a genuine offer or promise.

0:24:050:24:08

A dilemma faced by Alan Downing last year

0:24:090:24:12

when he started getting letters

0:24:120:24:14

saying that he'd won huge cash prizes.

0:24:140:24:17

"With the confirmation of the amount,

0:24:170:24:20

"we hereby confirm that the amount of this cheque is £15,500."

0:24:200:24:24

We go £15,500,

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£15,500,

0:24:260:24:29

£15,500,

0:24:290:24:31

£15,500,

0:24:310:24:35

and £20,500!

0:24:350:24:36

If all this did come to me

0:24:360:24:39

I would be one of the richest men in Manchester.

0:24:390:24:41

The letters came from a mail order company called Star Shopping,

0:24:410:24:45

which has a PO Box address in Dublin.

0:24:450:24:48

They also sent Alan their catalogue of products.

0:24:480:24:52

On reading it, the products in it didn't really interest me

0:24:520:24:55

in the first place.

0:24:550:24:57

But then I started thinking,

0:24:570:25:00

well, they've told me I've won 20,500 here.

0:25:000:25:03

More than that, they guaranteed it! So with such a clear promise,

0:25:030:25:08

well, 72-year-old Alan just couldn't resist replying.

0:25:080:25:13

When I saw the documents, I thought well, we can all do

0:25:130:25:16

with 20-and-a-half grand for doing nothing.

0:25:160:25:18

I was quite wary that it was going to be a scam

0:25:180:25:21

but I thought I'll continue it because it'll only cost me a stamp,

0:25:210:25:24

and, well, you never know -

0:25:240:25:26

somebody might be silly enough at the other end

0:25:260:25:28

to actually make a cheque out for me.

0:25:280:25:30

Star Shopping quickly wrote back.

0:25:320:25:34

Not with a cheque,

0:25:340:25:36

but with an assurance that if he ordered

0:25:360:25:38

something from the catalogue, the money would be sent "right away".

0:25:380:25:42

The catalogue said I didn't have to buy anything

0:25:420:25:45

but if I did, it would speed it up.

0:25:450:25:48

So Alan placed an order.

0:25:480:25:50

I got the goods.

0:25:500:25:53

Got this plastic squeegee thing on a piece of plastic, but no cheque.

0:25:530:25:57

And funnily enough, there still hasn't been...

0:25:570:26:02

although over the next six months,

0:26:020:26:04

Alan received a further 25 letters insisting that the money

0:26:040:26:07

was still waiting for him at Star Shopping's headquarters.

0:26:070:26:11

And all he had to do to get it was order more.

0:26:110:26:14

£20,500 this one!

0:26:140:26:16

"Mr Downing, this is the best day of your life."

0:26:160:26:20

But I thought that was my wedding day!

0:26:200:26:24

"You are the one and only lucky, winning beneficiary

0:26:240:26:28

"of the big bank cheque for £20,500."

0:26:280:26:32

They don't give up with this!

0:26:320:26:35

But I'm afraid Alan has given up on ever receiving his prize.

0:26:350:26:39

Still at least he didn't waste too much money.

0:26:390:26:43

Unlike John Cooper from Bournemouth.

0:26:430:26:45

He received the same letters from Star Shopping

0:26:450:26:48

and indeed from other mail order companies,

0:26:480:26:50

some of which appear to be connected.

0:26:500:26:52

He was also told that as soon as he ordered from the catalogues,

0:26:520:26:55

his five figure prize would be on its way.

0:26:550:26:58

I've probably placed about 16 to 18 orders with Star

0:26:580:27:04

and, with the other mail order firms, probably about another ten.

0:27:040:27:07

Generally speaking I suppose the orders would come

0:27:070:27:11

to about £15 to £20 each time.

0:27:110:27:14

They're mainly small domestic items -

0:27:140:27:18

bottles of fluid for cleaning

0:27:180:27:20

plastic windows and chairs,

0:27:200:27:24

some crystals for putting down drains to unblock them.

0:27:240:27:27

Nothing very exciting.

0:27:270:27:29

When John contacted Star Shopping to see where his winner's cheque was,

0:27:290:27:33

three of the company directors assured him in writing

0:27:330:27:36

that it would be sent to him shortly.

0:27:360:27:40

All three of them had signed a document confirming

0:27:400:27:43

that I had won that money

0:27:430:27:45

so I was just waiting for the cheque to come through the post,

0:27:450:27:49

but of course I'm still waiting.

0:27:490:27:51

Now believing his winnings were on their way,

0:27:510:27:54

John spent £350 on Star Shopping products alone.

0:27:540:27:57

He also spent almost £200 on goods from the other catalogues,

0:27:570:28:03

because they too promised that he'd won big cash prizes.

0:28:030:28:06

There's probably about

0:28:060:28:08

300 different pamphlets, envelopes and letters all of which are

0:28:080:28:14

clearly pointing out that a massive prize has been won by myself.

0:28:140:28:20

This is a cheque for £20,500, it is not a discount voucher,

0:28:200:28:24

but a real first prize bank cheque.

0:28:240:28:29

That's just one indication.

0:28:290:28:31

I was the only person getting the prize.

0:28:310:28:34

I mean, I wouldn't have expected that to be true,

0:28:340:28:36

but when somebody makes a statement like that in business,

0:28:360:28:39

under contract, and firms make that contract, they must stand by it.

0:28:390:28:45

And if it's lies or deceit, it's fraud.

0:28:450:28:49

Now you may also have received catalogues like these.

0:28:520:28:55

Many of them have addresses in either the Netherlands or Belgium.

0:28:550:28:59

And several of them have links to a Belgian mail order company

0:28:590:29:03

called D Duchesne SA - a business that the Office of Fair Trading

0:29:030:29:07

has taken action against in the past,

0:29:070:29:09

all as part of an ongoing battle about these kinds of prize draws.

0:29:090:29:13

But I'm afraid that hasn't stopped the same sort of misleading letters

0:29:130:29:17

being sent to countless households across the UK.

0:29:170:29:20

We contacted all the companies who'd written to John to ask why

0:29:200:29:24

neither he nor anyone else we've heard from

0:29:240:29:27

has ever received the prize they were supposedly guaranteed.

0:29:270:29:31

Not one of them has replied.

0:29:310:29:33

John still can't believe they're able to make such big claims

0:29:350:29:38

without delivering on their promises.

0:29:380:29:41

Perhaps a person listening to this might say, well,

0:29:410:29:45

he was naive. I would never fall for that.

0:29:450:29:49

But my view is that firms should not be able

0:29:490:29:52

to make these sort of offers. They should be heavily penalised.

0:29:520:29:57

They made these false promises and kept on repeating the promises

0:29:570:30:02

when they were complete lies.

0:30:020:30:04

And Alan has some words of wisdom

0:30:040:30:06

for anyone who receives a letter like this

0:30:060:30:09

suggesting they've won a cash prize.

0:30:090:30:11

My advice to anybody that gets it is

0:30:110:30:13

don't even look at it, just stick it in the bin or return to sender

0:30:130:30:17

because you're not going to get it.

0:30:170:30:19

If you've ever been tempted by a deal

0:30:190:30:22

or a promise that's not what it seems,

0:30:220:30:25

or is just too good to be true,

0:30:250:30:28

well, here's how to resist it.

0:30:280:30:30

The first thing is that if someone calls at your house

0:30:300:30:33

and tries to sell you something, don't feel under pressure.

0:30:330:30:35

It's quite likely

0:30:350:30:36

the sales man or woman will be under pressure themselves

0:30:360:30:40

because they will have sales targets to meet.

0:30:400:30:42

But that's their problem and not yours so take your time and only buy

0:30:420:30:46

something if you want to buy it and you want to buy it there and then.

0:30:460:30:50

If not, just say no.

0:30:500:30:52

If you buy something at home or at your office,

0:30:520:30:55

so basically away from the normal place where the company

0:30:550:30:59

does its business, you have some fairly good rights.

0:30:590:31:01

You have the right to cancel within seven days,

0:31:010:31:04

and that seven days starts from when you were given the information about

0:31:040:31:08

your cancellation rights which may not be when you actually sign up.

0:31:080:31:12

If you are getting plagued by lots of doorstep sellers,

0:31:120:31:15

you might want to consider setting up a no cold-calling zone.

0:31:150:31:19

It is something your local trading standards

0:31:190:31:21

and the police can organise for you.

0:31:210:31:23

But it's not an automatic right.

0:31:230:31:25

Normally there has to be a certain number of older or vulnerable people

0:31:250:31:28

living in your area.

0:31:280:31:30

If you're fed up with junk mail coming through your letter box,

0:31:300:31:33

then I suggest you sign up with a mailing preference scheme.

0:31:330:31:37

That means that companies you don't have any business with

0:31:370:31:40

won't be able to send you junk mail.

0:31:400:31:42

You will still get some marketing information from companies

0:31:420:31:45

like your bank or energy supplier.

0:31:450:31:48

Signing up for the mailing preference scheme

0:31:480:31:50

won't necessarily mean that you stop getting those dodgy letters

0:31:500:31:53

saying you have won a lottery you've never entered,

0:31:530:31:56

or you've won a prize competition. Generally these offers are dodgy

0:31:560:32:00

so don't even open the envelope - shred it or get rid of it.

0:32:000:32:03

If you reply to one of these companies,

0:32:030:32:05

you could find your name's put on what's called a suckers list,

0:32:050:32:08

meaning your details will be traded with other would-be fraudsters.

0:32:080:32:13

Now earlier in the programme,

0:32:150:32:17

we heard how an increasingly popular form of payment

0:32:170:32:20

can be exploited by companies determined to rip you off.

0:32:200:32:24

Ukash vouchers, as they're called, are a perfectly legitimate

0:32:240:32:28

and apparently easy way of paying for things.

0:32:280:32:31

But in some parts of the country, Trading Standards officers

0:32:310:32:34

are warning of scams which mean you could end up out of pocket.

0:32:340:32:38

So could it be that Ukash vouchers are just too simple to use?

0:32:380:32:43

In May, Karen McCracken from Nottinghamshire was thrilled

0:32:480:32:51

when she received a call from a withheld number,

0:32:510:32:55

claiming she'd won some money.

0:32:550:32:57

They phoned up about half-past ten in the morning,

0:32:570:33:00

saying that I'd won this £10,000, and it was from Royal Mail.

0:33:000:33:04

It was quite exciting to be fair, I must admit.

0:33:040:33:08

But to claim it, they asked her for a £50 admin fee

0:33:080:33:11

which she'd have to pay using a Ukash voucher.

0:33:110:33:14

Well, I said I would have to speak to my husband about it

0:33:140:33:18

and he turned round and said,

0:33:180:33:19

"You don't need your husband's permission for this."

0:33:190:33:22

I said, "Well, I think I do,

0:33:220:33:24

"cos I haven't got that kind of money to give you anyway."

0:33:240:33:27

And he says, "Oh well, I'll phone you back on Monday."

0:33:270:33:30

He did call back on the Monday morning,

0:33:300:33:34

still falsely claiming to be from the Royal Mail.

0:33:340:33:37

But when Karen declined the offer, he became aggressive,

0:33:370:33:41

insisting they must have that admin fee

0:33:410:33:43

whether she wanted her prize or not!

0:33:430:33:45

They just kept saying that I would need a solicitor

0:33:450:33:48

and he went, "I'm going to send the police round to your door

0:33:480:33:52

"to get this money because you're breaking the law not giving me it."

0:33:520:33:55

And it got me scared to be honest. When I come off the phone, I cried.

0:33:550:34:01

Karen didn't fall for what the man was saying,

0:34:010:34:05

but only because the previous year,

0:34:050:34:07

she'd been targeted in a similar way.

0:34:070:34:09

She'd again been told that to claim a £10,000 cash prize,

0:34:090:34:14

she'd have to pay an admin fee. And that time, she'd done it.

0:34:140:34:18

They told me I needed a Ukash voucher

0:34:180:34:21

and even told me where the shop was, what street it was on and stuff

0:34:210:34:26

and I never heard of them before.

0:34:260:34:28

The woman on the phone said that she'd call back once Karen had

0:34:280:34:32

bought the Ukash voucher, to get the unique code number printed on it.

0:34:320:34:36

So I went and got the £50 UK voucher

0:34:360:34:39

and then they said that that would be it, I would get the cheque.

0:34:390:34:42

Karen had just unwittingly handed over £50 she'd never see again.

0:34:420:34:47

The woman who'd called her

0:34:470:34:50

was using the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to scam her.

0:34:500:34:53

But Karen only realised that when her winnings failed to arrive.

0:34:530:34:58

The cheque never come after Christmas cos we thought,

0:34:580:35:01

Christmas time it'd be lovely, be able to get the kids something nice.

0:35:010:35:05

But it never come.

0:35:050:35:07

Ukash is a convenient way of paying online at websites

0:35:070:35:11

if you don't have a bank account, or debit or credit cards.

0:35:110:35:14

But once you've handed over the serial number,

0:35:140:35:17

the payment is completely untraceable.

0:35:170:35:20

It's as if you'd used cash and unlike using a credit or debit card,

0:35:200:35:23

you have absolutely no protection.

0:35:230:35:27

As Karen's learned the hard way.

0:35:270:35:31

And then I went well we've lost £50,

0:35:310:35:34

and it was my last £50 out the bank to be fair,

0:35:340:35:36

because we didn't get paid till the week after.

0:35:360:35:39

After the second incident,

0:35:420:35:44

she reported the calls to the police

0:35:440:35:46

and to Nottinghamshire Trading Standards who issued a warning

0:35:460:35:48

about the scam.

0:35:480:35:51

Well, these kind of cold-callers are particularly difficult

0:35:510:35:54

because of the aggression that's used.

0:35:540:35:57

They're possibly targeting people who haven't got the facility

0:35:570:36:00

to use credit cards and debit cards so readily.

0:36:000:36:03

Ukash vouchers are a brilliant idea, they work in a lot of circumstances.

0:36:030:36:07

But you do need to remember that,

0:36:070:36:09

when you give that number over, it's effectively handing the cash over.

0:36:090:36:13

Across the UK, whether it's on the phone, or online,

0:36:130:36:16

Ukash vouchers are being exploited by crooks in all sorts of ways.

0:36:160:36:20

In London, conmen have claimed to be police needing a fee paid

0:36:200:36:24

with Ukash to remove illegal content from PCs.

0:36:240:36:28

In Dunbartonshire, targets have been told they're entitled to money

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from unclaimed insurance policies.

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And in Gloucestershire, a recent scam was more elaborate still.

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A woman reported handing £600 worth of Ukash vouchers to a man

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who'd first rung to say that she was entitled

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to £4,000 worth of mis-sold PPI, then turned up at her house

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with very convincing forms for her to sign.

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So it looks as if the only way to avoid being stung like Karen

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is to make sure you only give a Ukash code

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to someone you're sure is legitimate.

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Otherwise whatever yarn you're being spun, chances are, it's a con.

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They're actually picking on people that need the money,

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and they're vulnerable anyway so they're going to take the money.

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Very nasty people, very nasty people.

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So, are Ukash doing enough to keep consumers safe?

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Let's see what the company's chief executive, David Hunter,

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has to say about the way that the system is being abused.

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David, I have to confess that I had never heard of Ukash,

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so shall we start by you explaining exactly what Ukash is.

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So Ukash is designed to be a safe and simple way for people

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to spend cash on the internet via our voucher system.

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People can go, typically to their corner shop

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or anywhere they might get a mobile top up,

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present your cash and ask for a Ukash voucher in return

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with a unique 19-digit code which represents that value.

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So a bit like an electronic bank note.

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You're swapping a physical bank note for an electronic bank note.

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So if you take a case like the one that we're dealing with here,

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what went wrong with that?

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Because I'm sure you're going to tell me

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your system's meant to be watertight with the code number, and so on.

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Well, of course. I mean in fact, actually,

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we know of not one single breach of, or somebody guessing a number

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and spending it as their own, because there are

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so many billions of permutations, and each number is unique.

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I think what happened in this case was that she was contacted

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by a cold-caller who was literally trying to scam

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or extract money from her and other people,

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and they'd asked her to go to a local shop to get Ukash for them

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and she was asked to tell them the unique number over the telephone,

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which, I must say, is just the same as

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giving real cash away at your front door.

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You use the word 'scam'

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and obviously this is one case, but I presume there are others.

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What other means do you know of

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where people are getting round your system,

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or rather using Ukash as a way of getting money out of people?

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Scams exist and always have done, always will do,

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and they'll often move to other means of executing that scam.

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And I think what's happened here is that as Ukash has become more

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popular and is more available and convenient for people to buy,

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these criminals are exploiting the fact that people can be

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convinced to use the product in a way it's not designed to be used

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against our strict terms of use,

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against the alerts we put on the vouchers saying please do not give

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details away to anybody, only use it participating in Ukash websites.

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So this has been exploited.

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So David, what's the key advice that you would give people to make sure

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that they don't get taken for a ride and don't have their money taken?

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I think it's really important that people recognise this is like cash.

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That number is the security of their value.

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Please don't give that to anybody over the phone or by email

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unless you want them to have the value.

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It's the same as you giving them a bank note of that value.

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Please only use participating websites.

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You can see a full list of those sites on the Ukash.com,

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and please take the warnings that you see on the voucher.

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Treat like cash, don't give it to anybody else.

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If you do feel that you might've been compromised

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or if you've given the voucher to somebody, contact us immediately.

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Because if you contact us immediately

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-and the voucher's not spent, we can block it for you.

-David, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate

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more of your stories.

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Confused over your bills?

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Trying to wade through never ending small print?

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We should read it but it's not in plain English. It's not...

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It should be simple, you know, ABC, very basic stuff.

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Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out,

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and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

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You get home, you get your bill and it's like £70,

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when it's meant to be £35.

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And it's just basically, you get ripped off, don't you?

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You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share the

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mistakes that you've made with us, so that others don't do the same.

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We paid them good money to act in our best interest, they didn't.

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You can write to us at...

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Or send us an email...

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The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

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Well, fortunately most businesses, thank goodness,

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don't actually set out to deliberately fleece you.

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But there will always be a minority determined to do exactly that.

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So while it seems, unfortunately, unlikely

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that everyone that we've met today is ever going to get their money back,

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we hope at least by sharing their stories with you,

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we've given you an idea of some things you need to watch out for.

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In particular, be extra careful before agreeing to any promise

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that comes right out of the blue, whether it's in the post,

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or online or on the phone.

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Don't be rushed or pressurised into making a decision straight away.

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Do take your time to do some research

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just in case someone is trying to rip you off.

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Well, with that excellent advice, that's all we've got time for today.

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Thanks for joining us and please do keep sending us your stories.

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We'll be back to investigate more of them soon,

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but in the meantime, from all of us here, bye-bye.

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ALL: Goodbye.

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