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We asked YOU to tell us who has left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands by post, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
e-mail, even stopping us on the streets. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
The message could not be clearer. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
They're in it for what they can get, not to provide a service. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
I didn't sleep. It upset me so much that I didn't sleep. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
You've told us with money tighter than ever, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
you need to be sure every pound you spend is worth it. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
How do I get me money back? I just think I'm entitled to it. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
a simple mistake or a catch in the small print, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
we'll find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Keep asking the questions, keep... Go to the top if you have to. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
Your stories. Your money. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Hello and a very warm welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
the series that battles on your behalf | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
to find out exactly why, after handing over your cash, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
you may end up with nothing like you expected. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Or indeed, as with some of the people we'll be hearing from today, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
you may end up with a big fat zero, nothing at all. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
That's because when you sign up to a deal that doesn't materialise, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
it's very often because you've been persuaded to do so | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
by either very convincing advertisements | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
or smooth-talking salesmen. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
Now, of course, companies depend on both of those things | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
to boost their profits, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
but in the situations you've been telling us about, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
too often, those profits can mean your loss. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
It's not always easy to tell whether something's a bargain or bogus, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
which is why among our cases today | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
are people who've lost hundreds, even thousands, of pounds | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
because of promises that haven't come true. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
But the good news is, we've got some excellent advice | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
to stop the same thing happening to you. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
On today's programme... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
new ways scamsters can con you out of your cash | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
and one of them has cost this family hundreds of pounds. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
but I'm also having to cover the cost that we have lost | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
through applying for this loan. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
The promises of guaranteed cash prizes | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
dropping through your letter box - but do they ever pay out? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
This is a cheque for £20,500 | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
and if it's lies or deceit, it's fraud. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
And our experts pop up in one of Britain's biggest shopping centres | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
to solve more of your problems face-to-face. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Anyone who cold-calls has to make sure they don't call people | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
who are on this list, so that is definitely the thing to do. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Now if you're someone who thinks | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
that you're just too savvy to be taken in by a scam, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
well, don't be so sure. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Because here's one that's not only fiendishly clever | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
but is very much on the rise. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
In fact, in the first four months of this year, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
thieves managed to snaffle the same amount of money from it | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
as they did in the whole of 2011 - | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
a cool £750,000, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
three quarters of a million quid. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
So pay attention to how they do it | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
because remember, the next person they target could very well be you. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Now it's important to try and stay ahead | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
of crooks and conmen who employ cunning tactics | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
to come up with ways to get their hands on your cash. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Some scams may start with a simple phone call, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
as cake-maker Fiona Keen discovered back in January. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
'I was phoned on the Sunday night about 9pm' | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
by someone called Alex from a 24-hour fraud team | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
who seemed to know all my details - my name, my phone number, my address, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
and he said I'd been a victim of a Section 24 fraud, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
my Barclaycard had been, um, cloned and all my cards had been cloned. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Claiming to be from Barclaycard, the man calling himself Alex | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
told Fiona that her details were already being used | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
to buy things like petrol and mobile phone credit | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
and to prove that it wasn't her racking up the cash, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
he needed to send a courier round to collect her cards. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
I immediately said, "I'm not handing my cards over to you," | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and he said no, no, no it was a new system, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
that if they put the cards through a machine and it could be proved | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
that I hadn't used the cards in the places where there'd been activity, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
then I would definitely get the money back. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
The caller warned that if Fiona didn't cooperate, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
it was unlikely that she'd ever get the money back. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
But she refused to hand over her cards. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
And that is when things got really sneaky. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
When I was becoming suspicious, Alex asked me | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
to phone the customer care number on the back of my Barclaycard | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
to verify that it was a genuine fraud. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
I put the phone down to Alex | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
and picked up the phone and I didn't listen for a dial tone | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
and then I phoned the customer care line on the back of Barclaycard | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
and I got through to a person and, you know, explained what happened. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He said, "I'm just going to put you through to the fraud team," | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and immediately I got through to this Alex. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Although the whole situation felt quite strange, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
I was quite relieved to be put through to Barclaycard | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
from the number I'd called on the back of the card. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
But Fiona wasn't speaking to Barclaycard at all. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Unbeknown to her, when she'd hung up the phone to this so-called Alex, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
he hadn't disconnected his end of the call, and was still on the line. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
So Fiona wasn't talking to a genuine fraud department. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
In fact, there's no such thing as Section 24 fraud. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
And whoever he really was - | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
Alex certainly didn't work for Barclaycard. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
But his phone trick had won Fiona over | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
and he kept her on the line until the courier arrived. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
He asked me to wrap the cards in tissue paper | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and to put it in an envelope | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
and to write "NW1" and then a code number. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
30 minutes into the call, a man arrived, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
ready to collect all six of Fiona's bank cards. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
I have to say, it did look a little bit shifty. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
When I was handing over the cards, I was shaking | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
because I was giving away my personal things | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
and it's just not something that I would normally do. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
The courier left, supposedly taking the cards across London | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
to where they could be checked and a block put on them. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
And Alex said he needed Fiona to stay on the line until they arrived. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
I kept asking, "Can I put the phone down now?" And he said, "No, no, no." | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
He said to me, "He's just going through security now," | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
to make it sound fairly professional, that it was a police organisation. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
He eventually got through | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
and that's when he asked me to read out the PIN numbers | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
so he could block them. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
Now eating out of the fraudsters' hands, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Fiona proceeded to give them the PIN codes for five of her cards | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
and she was relieved when Alex said | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
they could prove that she hadn't used them | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and she'd be getting all her money back - if she unplugged her phone. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
He said to me, "We need your line in order to wire the money back to you," | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
and that he would tell me when to put the line back. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
By this time, it was almost 11pm | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
and after being on the phone for two hours to Alex, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
who Fiona still believed was from Barclaycard's fraud team, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
she followed his instructions and disconnected her landline. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
I felt quite suspicious. I've never been asked to undo my phone line | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
and I do realise now it was so people couldn't contact me. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
So as arranged, the fraudster rang Fiona again the next day | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
on her mobile, to update her | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
on the progress supposedly being made with her case. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
He had been keeping in contact with me | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
on my mobile phone at various times of day, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
just to tell me how things were going and he said that they had the CCTV, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
they had the pictures of the people who had been frauding my cards. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
He was being very chatting and charming, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
and even though I had doubts at the back of my mind, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I just kept saying to myself, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
"Oh, you're being silly, because they're sorting it out for you." | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
And he did say to me, "You won't need to contact your bank, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
"I'm dealing with that for you as well." | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
The reassuring calls to Fiona's mobile continued. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
But when they stopped, she reconnected her landline | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
and that is when she was horrified to realise she'd been scammed. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
I found all the messages on the phone | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
that people had been trying to contact me, and the banks, M&S, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
to tell me... I actually felt sick. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
To have your cards actually taken from your own home is unbelievable | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
and it's really quite shocking how smooth that happened. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
Fiona discovered that the fraudsters | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
had quickly made full use of her cards. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
I can see that they were spending as soon as Sunday, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
so they got straight onto it | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
and for the next two days, they were spending in large amounts. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
400, 500, and then into the thousands. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
The total amount they've spent on this particular card is £7,000. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
In fact, they maxed out my card. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
In total, the fraudsters spent £15,000. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Luckily, Barclaycard provide customers with a fraud guarantee | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
so they won't lose out, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
and as Fiona could prove that she'd been a victim of fraud, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
she got her money back within a week. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Barclaycard told us that they're aware of this scam, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
but would never, ever call asking for personal details | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
or requiring cards to be returned | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
and anyone who receives a request like that should end the call. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Meanwhile, although Fiona has her money back, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
she's now on a security register | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and will have to go through enhanced checks | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
when trying to get credit in the future. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I couldn't believe that it happened to me | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
because I'm not the sort of person to give my cards away. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
The whole of this experience has really shaken me up, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
but I'm very relieved to have all my money back. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
It is an extremely sophisticated scam. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Well, fabulous news, of course, that Fiona has got her money back. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
But someone somewhere has still done very well out of that scam. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
So Neil Aitken from the Payments Council is here | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
with advice on how to make sure, in similar situations, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
that you can protect yourself and, of course, your money. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
You might find that you're cold-called at home | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
by someone posing either as someone from your bank or from the police. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
They might have a bit of personal information about you. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
They might know who you bank with. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
but they will reveal themselves to be fraudsters | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
by the extra information they ask for, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
that your bank or the police would never request from you. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
The thing to really watch out for | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
is if they try and persuade you | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
to enter your PIN. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
That could be reading it out over the phone | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
or entering it into the telephone keypad. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Your PIN is completely personal to you. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
No-one from your bank will ever request it. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
The scam develops and they tell you | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
they're going to send round a courier to pick up your cards. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
Again, this should set alarm bells ringing immediately. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Your bank or the police | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
will never, ever send someone round | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
to pick up your card. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
If this does happen, it means you know you are talking to a fraudster. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
They will try and win your trust | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
by saying, "Call us back on the number on the back of your card." | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
What they will actually do is keep the phone line open at their end. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
They might even play the noise of a dial tone down the phone | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
to persuade you that when you call back, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
you're speaking to the real deal. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Take a minute. You don't need to call back immediately. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
If you've got a mobile phone, call back on that, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
on the advertised number you have | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
and then you can be sure you're getting through to the right people. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
If you think you've been a victim of this fraud, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
contact the police straightaway, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
then speak to your bank immediately. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Report your cards lost and stolen. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
No-one who's an innocent victim of fraud | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
will ever lose out financially. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Now, unfortunately, there's always someone out there | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
who is prepared to do absolutely anything | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
to part you from your hard-earned cash | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
and they're always on the lookout | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
for new ways in which they can do it. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
So you can bet that whenever some bright spark comes up with an idea | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
that's supposed to make our lives easier, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
someone else is immediately going to find a way | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
to turn that to their advantage. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
And judging from the e-mails and the letters you've sent us this year, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
that is exactly what seems to be happening with Ukash vouchers - | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
a very simple but increasingly popular way to make payments. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
But the scamsters are using them to rip you off | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
and here is how they're doing it. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
For Louise Beard and her soldier husband Lee, every penny counts. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
One step, two steps tickles everywhere! | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
Lee is often posted abroad, and while he's away, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
running the family finances falls on Louise's shoulders. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
Recently, that meant sorting out the final repayments on their car. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
They'd bought it on a deal | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
where the biggest monthly payment was saved until last... | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
One, two, three, up! | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
..so a bill for almost £6,000 was looming. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
We'd bought a car on finance in 2009 | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
and it's due to finish | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
while my husband's away in Afghan, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
so I was looking online to see if I could get a loan that way. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
After she entered her details on a website, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Louise was delighted to get a call offering her a £15,000 loan. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:57 | |
Hoping that this was the answer to her financial worries, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
she checked out the credentials of the company, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
who called themselves Citi Financial. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
I checked the Financial Services Authority number | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
and the licence number, and it all looked legit | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
so I went ahead with the £15,000 loan. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
As well as that research, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
she was sent an official-looking e-mail confirming her application. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
So Louise was happy that this company was genuine. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
So when this so-called "Citi Financial" got back in touch | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
asking for a £215 fee to process her application, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
she wasn't worried. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
I just had to pay a small processing fee by Ukash voucher | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
and they also gave me the address of a local shop | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
to go and collect the voucher from, which I was happy to do | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
because I knew that other loan companies ask for a processing fee. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
Ukash vouchers are pre-paid shopping vouchers | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
that you can purchase at shops across the country. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
You buy a voucher for the amount that you want, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
then use the unique number printed on it to spend the money. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
It's a quick and easy process, very similar to using cash | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
because once you've handed over the number, that's the money spent | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and there's no way of getting it back. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
I went into the local shop. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:13 | |
I purchased the voucher which had the voucher number on the receipt, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
I then come out the shop, phoned up the company, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
gave them the voucher number and the expiry date. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Little did Louise know that the company was not | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
who they said they were. But now they had her hooked... | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
Would you like some fish food? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
..and it was time to reel her in. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
An hour later, they called Louise again - suddenly changing the deal. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
They said my earnings weren't high enough, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
so I would need to purchase another Ukash voucher | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
to prove that I could pay the monthly instalments | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
and I couldn't afford to lose the money that I'd already put down, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
so I went and got the next voucher. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Determined to get the loan sorted, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Louise dashed to the shop to buy a second voucher - | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
this time for £300, enough to cover the extra fee of £299. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
She then called the company, gave them the voucher number... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
But shortly afterwards, they rang her back. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
'I was then told they couldn't use the voucher | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
'because it had to be for £299 only' | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
and I would need to go and purchase one for 299 | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
but I could still use the £300 one | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
to pay my bills, my gas, my electric, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
so I thought, "Well, that's OK," cos I needed to pay them. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
So Louise went out and bought a third voucher, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
for the exact amount of £299. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
By now, she'd handed over more than £800. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
And alarm bells started ringing | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
when someone from the company rang her back yet again | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
asking for more. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
He said to me that the money was all ready to go into my account | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
but I would need to pay a soft electronic transfer | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
which I would get back as soon as I'd done it | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
but I would need to pay another lot of money. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I then realised something wasn't right | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
and I told him, I said to him, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
"Let's just forget about the application and refund my money." | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
He then told me he couldn't do that, and hung up the phone. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
I was gutted, I didn't know how to tell my husband... | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
It was awful, I was devastated with it. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
And that devastation only got worse. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Because although the company had led Louise to believe | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
that they would not be cashing in the second voucher for £300, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
they already had. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
They ended up cashing every voucher, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
which worked out about £815 in total. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
'I don't even earn that in a month.' | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
'When she told me, I was obviously really gutted. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
'I thought, like, it's quite a lot of money to just lose in one go.' | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
You can only check everything you know about | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
and obviously, these guys are working around that | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
and doing a really good job at what they do, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
which is to con money out of normal people. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
Desperate to get their money back, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Louise has tried calling the company on the number that they gave her. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
There's no reply. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
It's just ringing like it always does. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
There is a genuine company with a similar name | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
to the one that the scamsters used. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Based in the City of London, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
it's called CitiFinancial Europe plc, part of the Citibank Group. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
They no longer even offer loans | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and now have a warning on their website about companies | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
using names or reference numbers that are similar to theirs | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
to scam you out of money. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
They advise anyone offered a loan in this way to contact the police. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
And whoever the scamsters really were, they were able to | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
exploit the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to trick Louise | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
out of over £800 - money she could not afford to lose. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
I'm angry with it because I was hoping to have it a bit easier | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
when he's in Afghan, but it hasn't, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
it's put a lot more pressure on me | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
because I'm not only having to cover the cost for the loan, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
but I'm also having to cover the cost that we have lost | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
through applying for this loan. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Well, later in the programme we're going to be hearing more about | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
situations where Ukash payments have been targeted by scamsters. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
And we'll also going to be talking to the company behind the scheme | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
to see what they've done to make it safe. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the mail shots that promise | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
a life-changing sum of money, so what's the catch? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
But how likely is it that your money will ever arrive? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
My advice to anybody that gets it is don't even look at it, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
just stick it in the bin. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
Rip-Off Britain is on the road again. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
For one weekend only, we've set up our very own pop-up shop. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
We're hoping we can solve as many of your problems as possible, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
face-to-face. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
And we've a team of experts on hand to answer questions | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
and offer detailed help and advice. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
The rising cost of car insurance, pensions and petrol prices - | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
just some of the issues you've been keen to got off your chests | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
in our special Gripe Box. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
But there's one particular gripe | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
that quite a few of you wanted to share. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
The thing that really annoys me is cold calling on the telephones. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
As far as I'm concerned I'm supposed to be ex-directory | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
and nobody's supposed to have my number. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
They'll ring until they get an answer, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
It's just annoying, very annoying. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Absolutely fed up with them. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
Even up to nine o'clock at night. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Everybody trying to sell you something one way or another. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
It sounds as though those unwanted sales calls | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
are a real bugbear for many of you. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
So our colleagues from BBC Skillswise have put together | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
some tips on how best to deal with them. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
We can save you over £10 a month. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
With an actress playing the part of a salesperson, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
they've come up with a cold-call challenge | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
to put consumers - including us - to the test. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
What are you calling yourselves again? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Hello? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
-Hello, is that Mrs Jones? -Yes. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
How are you today, Mrs Jones? I hope you've been making | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
the most of this lovely weather we've been having. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
You're going to sell me something, aren't you? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Well, I have got a fantastic offer to make you, Mrs Jones. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
No, no don't. Let me stop you right there. Thank you so much. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I'm really not interested, but thank you so much for your call. Bye! | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
And that's how I do it. Just get rid of them! | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
Fantastic. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
But what - if anything - | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
can you do to stop receiving cold-calls in the first place? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Clifford March popped in to find out. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
-Cold calls. -Yeah. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
We went ex-directory to stop this | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
but we've been getting hundreds upon hundreds of cold calls. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
There is quite an easy solution. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
There's the Telephone Preference Service | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
which is free to register for. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
You literally give them your telephone number | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
and you fill it in online or you can give them a call and speak to them. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
It takes two to three minutes to do | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
and then that will stop all nuisance calls. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
Anyone who cold calls has to make sure that they don't call | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
people on this list so that's what to do | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
and that should solve your problem for you. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Well, that's absolutely fantastic, Dominic, thank you very much indeed. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
The Telephone Preference Service isn't foolproof, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
but it's the essential starting point for stopping unwanted calls. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Hopefully now it'll stop and, um, I can't believe how easy it was. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:36 | |
We all make mistakes and big companies are no exception. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
It's what they do or don't do to put those mistakes right | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
that can leave you feeling ripped-off, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
so you need to know what your rights are and where to go | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
if you don't feel you've been treated fairly. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
We've put together a free booklet of practical tips and advice. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
You can download it from our website... | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
Or to receive a copy in the post, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
send an A5 stamped and self-addressed envelope | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Now if you're really being honest, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
which one of us hasn't at some stage dreamt of what we'd do | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
if we won that small fortune in cash? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
So imagine how you'd feel if you suddenly received | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
a letter in the post saying that you'd won thousands of pounds. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Not that you stood a chance of winning it, but that already, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
the money was definitely yours. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Now you'd probably think it was all too good to be true, but then again, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
when it's all there, written in black and white, you might also | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
hope for the best and just wait for your windfall to arrive. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Alan Dowling received a letter just like that. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
So was Lady Luck truly on his side? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
And if not, what was really going on? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
On average, every household receives 377 pieces of junk mail | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
through its letterbox each year. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
And it can be very hard to decide what is junk | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
and what is a genuine offer or promise. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
A dilemma faced by Alan Downing last year | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
when he started getting letters | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
saying that he'd won huge cash prizes. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
"With the confirmation of the amount, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
"we hereby confirm that the amount of this cheque is £15,500." | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
We go £15,500, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
£15,500, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
£15,500, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
£15,500, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
and £20,500! | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
If all this did come to me | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
I would be one of the richest men in Manchester. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
The letters came from a mail order company called Star Shopping, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
which has a PO Box address in Dublin. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
They also sent Alan their catalogue of products. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
On reading it, the products in it didn't really interest me | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
in the first place. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
But then I started thinking, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
well, they've told me I've won 20,500 here. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
More than that, they guaranteed it! So with such a clear promise, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
well, 72-year-old Alan just couldn't resist replying. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
When I saw the documents, I thought well, we can all do | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
with 20-and-a-half grand for doing nothing. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
I was quite wary that it was going to be a scam | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
but I thought I'll continue it because it'll only cost me a stamp, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
and, well, you never know - | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
somebody might be silly enough at the other end | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
to actually make a cheque out for me. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Star Shopping quickly wrote back. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Not with a cheque, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
but with an assurance that if he ordered | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
something from the catalogue, the money would be sent "right away". | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
The catalogue said I didn't have to buy anything | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
but if I did, it would speed it up. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
So Alan placed an order. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
I got the goods. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Got this plastic squeegee thing on a piece of plastic, but no cheque. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
And funnily enough, there still hasn't been... | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
although over the next six months, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
Alan received a further 25 letters insisting that the money | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
was still waiting for him at Star Shopping's headquarters. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
And all he had to do to get it was order more. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
£20,500 this one! | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
"Mr Downing, this is the best day of your life." | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
But I thought that was my wedding day! | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
"You are the one and only lucky, winning beneficiary | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
"of the big bank cheque for £20,500." | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
They don't give up with this! | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
But I'm afraid Alan has given up on ever receiving his prize. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
Still at least he didn't waste too much money. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Unlike John Cooper from Bournemouth. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
He received the same letters from Star Shopping | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
and indeed from other mail order companies, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
some of which appear to be connected. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
He was also told that as soon as he ordered from the catalogues, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
his five figure prize would be on its way. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
I've probably placed about 16 to 18 orders with Star | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
and, with the other mail order firms, probably about another ten. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
Generally speaking I suppose the orders would come | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
to about £15 to £20 each time. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
They're mainly small domestic items - | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
bottles of fluid for cleaning | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
plastic windows and chairs, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
some crystals for putting down drains to unblock them. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Nothing very exciting. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
When John contacted Star Shopping to see where his winner's cheque was, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
three of the company directors assured him in writing | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
that it would be sent to him shortly. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
All three of them had signed a document confirming | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
that I had won that money | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
so I was just waiting for the cheque to come through the post, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
but of course I'm still waiting. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
Now believing his winnings were on their way, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
John spent £350 on Star Shopping products alone. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
He also spent almost £200 on goods from the other catalogues, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:03 | |
because they too promised that he'd won big cash prizes. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
There's probably about | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
300 different pamphlets, envelopes and letters all of which are | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
clearly pointing out that a massive prize has been won by myself. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:20 | |
This is a cheque for £20,500, it is not a discount voucher, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
but a real first prize bank cheque. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
That's just one indication. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
I was the only person getting the prize. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
I mean, I wouldn't have expected that to be true, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
but when somebody makes a statement like that in business, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
under contract, and firms make that contract, they must stand by it. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
And if it's lies or deceit, it's fraud. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Now you may also have received catalogues like these. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
Many of them have addresses in either the Netherlands or Belgium. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
And several of them have links to a Belgian mail order company | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
called D Duchesne SA - a business that the Office of Fair Trading | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
has taken action against in the past, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
all as part of an ongoing battle about these kinds of prize draws. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
But I'm afraid that hasn't stopped the same sort of misleading letters | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
being sent to countless households across the UK. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
We contacted all the companies who'd written to John to ask why | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
neither he nor anyone else we've heard from | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
has ever received the prize they were supposedly guaranteed. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
Not one of them has replied. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
John still can't believe they're able to make such big claims | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
without delivering on their promises. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Perhaps a person listening to this might say, well, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
he was naive. I would never fall for that. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
But my view is that firms should not be able | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
to make these sort of offers. They should be heavily penalised. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
They made these false promises and kept on repeating the promises | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
when they were complete lies. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
And Alan has some words of wisdom | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
for anyone who receives a letter like this | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
suggesting they've won a cash prize. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
My advice to anybody that gets it is | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
don't even look at it, just stick it in the bin or return to sender | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
because you're not going to get it. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
If you've ever been tempted by a deal | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
or a promise that's not what it seems, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
or is just too good to be true, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
well, here's how to resist it. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
The first thing is that if someone calls at your house | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
and tries to sell you something, don't feel under pressure. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
It's quite likely | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
the sales man or woman will be under pressure themselves | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
because they will have sales targets to meet. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
But that's their problem and not yours so take your time and only buy | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
something if you want to buy it and you want to buy it there and then. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
If not, just say no. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
If you buy something at home or at your office, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
so basically away from the normal place where the company | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
does its business, you have some fairly good rights. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
You have the right to cancel within seven days, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
and that seven days starts from when you were given the information about | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
your cancellation rights which may not be when you actually sign up. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
If you are getting plagued by lots of doorstep sellers, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
you might want to consider setting up a no cold-calling zone. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
It is something your local trading standards | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
and the police can organise for you. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
But it's not an automatic right. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
Normally there has to be a certain number of older or vulnerable people | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
living in your area. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
If you're fed up with junk mail coming through your letter box, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
then I suggest you sign up with a mailing preference scheme. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
That means that companies you don't have any business with | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
won't be able to send you junk mail. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
You will still get some marketing information from companies | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
like your bank or energy supplier. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
Signing up for the mailing preference scheme | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
won't necessarily mean that you stop getting those dodgy letters | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
saying you have won a lottery you've never entered, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
or you've won a prize competition. Generally these offers are dodgy | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
so don't even open the envelope - shred it or get rid of it. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
If you reply to one of these companies, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
you could find your name's put on what's called a suckers list, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
meaning your details will be traded with other would-be fraudsters. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
Now earlier in the programme, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
we heard how an increasingly popular form of payment | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
can be exploited by companies determined to rip you off. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
Ukash vouchers, as they're called, are a perfectly legitimate | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
and apparently easy way of paying for things. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
But in some parts of the country, Trading Standards officers | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
are warning of scams which mean you could end up out of pocket. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
So could it be that Ukash vouchers are just too simple to use? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
In May, Karen McCracken from Nottinghamshire was thrilled | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
when she received a call from a withheld number, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
claiming she'd won some money. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
They phoned up about half-past ten in the morning, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
saying that I'd won this £10,000, and it was from Royal Mail. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
It was quite exciting to be fair, I must admit. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
But to claim it, they asked her for a £50 admin fee | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
which she'd have to pay using a Ukash voucher. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Well, I said I would have to speak to my husband about it | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and he turned round and said, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
"You don't need your husband's permission for this." | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
I said, "Well, I think I do, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
"cos I haven't got that kind of money to give you anyway." | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
And he says, "Oh well, I'll phone you back on Monday." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
He did call back on the Monday morning, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
still falsely claiming to be from the Royal Mail. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
But when Karen declined the offer, he became aggressive, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
insisting they must have that admin fee | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
whether she wanted her prize or not! | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
They just kept saying that I would need a solicitor | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
and he went, "I'm going to send the police round to your door | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
"to get this money because you're breaking the law not giving me it." | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
And it got me scared to be honest. When I come off the phone, I cried. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:01 | |
Karen didn't fall for what the man was saying, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
but only because the previous year, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
she'd been targeted in a similar way. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
She'd again been told that to claim a £10,000 cash prize, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
she'd have to pay an admin fee. And that time, she'd done it. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
They told me I needed a Ukash voucher | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
and even told me where the shop was, what street it was on and stuff | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
and I never heard of them before. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
The woman on the phone said that she'd call back once Karen had | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
bought the Ukash voucher, to get the unique code number printed on it. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
So I went and got the £50 UK voucher | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
and then they said that that would be it, I would get the cheque. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Karen had just unwittingly handed over £50 she'd never see again. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
The woman who'd called her | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
was using the simplicity of Ukash vouchers to scam her. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
But Karen only realised that when her winnings failed to arrive. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
The cheque never come after Christmas cos we thought, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Christmas time it'd be lovely, be able to get the kids something nice. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
But it never come. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
Ukash is a convenient way of paying online at websites | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
if you don't have a bank account, or debit or credit cards. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
But once you've handed over the serial number, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
the payment is completely untraceable. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
It's as if you'd used cash and unlike using a credit or debit card, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
you have absolutely no protection. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
As Karen's learned the hard way. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
And then I went well we've lost £50, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and it was my last £50 out the bank to be fair, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
because we didn't get paid till the week after. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
After the second incident, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
she reported the calls to the police | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
and to Nottinghamshire Trading Standards who issued a warning | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
about the scam. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
Well, these kind of cold-callers are particularly difficult | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
because of the aggression that's used. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
They're possibly targeting people who haven't got the facility | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
to use credit cards and debit cards so readily. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Ukash vouchers are a brilliant idea, they work in a lot of circumstances. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
But you do need to remember that, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
when you give that number over, it's effectively handing the cash over. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
Across the UK, whether it's on the phone, or online, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Ukash vouchers are being exploited by crooks in all sorts of ways. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
In London, conmen have claimed to be police needing a fee paid | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
with Ukash to remove illegal content from PCs. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
In Dunbartonshire, targets have been told they're entitled to money | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
from unclaimed insurance policies. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
And in Gloucestershire, a recent scam was more elaborate still. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
A woman reported handing £600 worth of Ukash vouchers to a man | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
who'd first rung to say that she was entitled | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
to £4,000 worth of mis-sold PPI, then turned up at her house | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
with very convincing forms for her to sign. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
So it looks as if the only way to avoid being stung like Karen | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
is to make sure you only give a Ukash code | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
to someone you're sure is legitimate. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Otherwise whatever yarn you're being spun, chances are, it's a con. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
They're actually picking on people that need the money, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
and they're vulnerable anyway so they're going to take the money. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
Very nasty people, very nasty people. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
So, are Ukash doing enough to keep consumers safe? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Let's see what the company's chief executive, David Hunter, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
has to say about the way that the system is being abused. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
David, I have to confess that I had never heard of Ukash, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
so shall we start by you explaining exactly what Ukash is. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
So Ukash is designed to be a safe and simple way for people | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
to spend cash on the internet via our voucher system. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
People can go, typically to their corner shop | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
or anywhere they might get a mobile top up, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
present your cash and ask for a Ukash voucher in return | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
with a unique 19-digit code which represents that value. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:02 | |
So a bit like an electronic bank note. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
You're swapping a physical bank note for an electronic bank note. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
So if you take a case like the one that we're dealing with here, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
what went wrong with that? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Because I'm sure you're going to tell me | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
your system's meant to be watertight with the code number, and so on. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Well, of course. I mean in fact, actually, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
we know of not one single breach of, or somebody guessing a number | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
and spending it as their own, because there are | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
so many billions of permutations, and each number is unique. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
I think what happened in this case was that she was contacted | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
by a cold-caller who was literally trying to scam | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
or extract money from her and other people, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
and they'd asked her to go to a local shop to get Ukash for them | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
and she was asked to tell them the unique number over the telephone, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:55 | |
which, I must say, is just the same as | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
giving real cash away at your front door. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
You use the word 'scam' | 0:39:02 | 0:39:03 | |
and obviously this is one case, but I presume there are others. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
What other means do you know of | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
where people are getting round your system, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
or rather using Ukash as a way of getting money out of people? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Scams exist and always have done, always will do, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
and they'll often move to other means of executing that scam. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:24 | |
And I think what's happened here is that as Ukash has become more | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
popular and is more available and convenient for people to buy, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
these criminals are exploiting the fact that people can be | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
convinced to use the product in a way it's not designed to be used | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
against our strict terms of use, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
against the alerts we put on the vouchers saying please do not give | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
details away to anybody, only use it participating in Ukash websites. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
So this has been exploited. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
So David, what's the key advice that you would give people to make sure | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
that they don't get taken for a ride and don't have their money taken? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
I think it's really important that people recognise this is like cash. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
That number is the security of their value. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Please don't give that to anybody over the phone or by email | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
unless you want them to have the value. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
It's the same as you giving them a bank note of that value. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
Please only use participating websites. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
You can see a full list of those sites on the Ukash.com, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
and please take the warnings that you see on the voucher. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Treat like cash, don't give it to anybody else. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
If you do feel that you might've been compromised | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
or if you've given the voucher to somebody, contact us immediately. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
Because if you contact us immediately | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
-and the voucher's not spent, we can block it for you. -David, thank you. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Thank you. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
more of your stories. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
Confused over your bills? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
Trying to wade through never ending small print? | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
We should read it but it's not in plain English. It's not... | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
It should be simple, you know, ABC, very basic stuff. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
You get home, you get your bill and it's like £70, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
when it's meant to be £35. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
And it's just basically, you get ripped off, don't you? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own and want to share the | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
mistakes that you've made with us, so that others don't do the same. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
We paid them good money to act in our best interest, they didn't. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
Or send us an email... | 0:41:41 | 0:41:42 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
Well, fortunately most businesses, thank goodness, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
don't actually set out to deliberately fleece you. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
But there will always be a minority determined to do exactly that. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
So while it seems, unfortunately, unlikely | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
that everyone that we've met today is ever going to get their money back, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
we hope at least by sharing their stories with you, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
we've given you an idea of some things you need to watch out for. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
In particular, be extra careful before agreeing to any promise | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
that comes right out of the blue, whether it's in the post, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
or online or on the phone. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Don't be rushed or pressurised into making a decision straight away. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Do take your time to do some research | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
just in case someone is trying to rip you off. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
Well, with that excellent advice, that's all we've got time for today. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
Thanks for joining us and please do keep sending us your stories. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
We'll be back to investigate more of them soon, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
but in the meantime, from all of us here, bye-bye. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
ALL: Goodbye. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:49 | |
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