Episode 9 Rip Off Britain


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We asked you to tell us who's left you feeling ripped off.

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And you contacted us in your THOUSANDS.

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By post, e-mail, even stopping us on the streets.

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And the message couldn't be clearer.

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I think there's a lot of hidden information about your bills

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that should be made a lot more clear.

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I don't feel I get treated how I should be.

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You've told us, with money tighter than ever,

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you need to be sure that every pound you spend is worth it.

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How do I get my money back, cos I just think I'm entitled to it.

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So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake,

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or a catch in the small print, we'll find out why it is that

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you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Keep asking the questions, you know go to the top if you have to.

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We do get results, I mean, that's the interesting thing.

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Your stories. Your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and a huge welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the series that fights your corner, when you're feeling

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well and truly ripped off - which is especially the case with

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some of the people we're going to be hearing from today.

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And that's because of the fact that they have ended up hundreds

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of pounds out of pocket when it's absolutely not their fault.

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Now, none of us likes losing money at the best of times,

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but when it's all down to the fact that someone else has messed up,

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well, that really does make it worse, don't you think?

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Sure does, and while we all make mistakes good customer service

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is about putting those mistakes right.

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But as we'll see, too often that doesn't happen.

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And even though it's someone else who's to blame it's YOU that

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ends up paying the price.

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Coming up. How two of the biggest names on the High Street

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managed to lose almost £1,500 of one customer's money for an entire year.

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It's just draining. You have to spend so much time

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and so much effort actually having to chase money that they

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should have paid into the correct account to start with.

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The credit mix-up that's left this woman with no identity

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and chased for massive debts that she simply doesn't owe.

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There's times that I haven't slept, because it's worrying,

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you know, I just haven't known how to clear my name.

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And we open our doors to try

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and solve some of your problems on the spot.

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We declare our pop-up shop open!

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Anyone who has bought or sold a home will know that it's usually

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considered right up there with bereavement and divorce

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in terms of stress. Even if things are going well, there's a constant

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fear that it will all go wrong and fall through at the last minute.

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Which is why you rely so heavily on your solicitor to make sure

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that every last piece of information and paperwork is in place,

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so that the sale goes ahead smoothly.

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But the devil is in the detail and if some of that detail is missed

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the effect can be devastating, as this next couple found out.

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With her children grown up and having flown the nest,

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Chris and her husband decided to sell their home

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in the south of England and move back to Chris's hometown

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in Lancashire.

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We thought, "We'll go there."

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We can afford to pay cash for a nice little bungalow,

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nothing extravagant, just what suits our needs.

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So five years ago, in 2007, they put their house on the market,

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and within weeks not only had an offer on it,

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but also found themselves a bungalow to move into.

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All was going well.

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The people wanting the house were coming round,

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measuring up for curtains and carpets, like you do.

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They'd even planned where the Christmas tree was going.

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But then came the news that any house mover dreads.

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The buyers were pulling out.

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My first reaction was numb, I just couldn't take it in,

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because my husband had just given his notice in, so he had no job.

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I just felt... I was gutted.

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I just can't find the words to express how I feel.

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I felt as if I'd been dealt a great big hefty blow.

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What made it worse was the discovery that the sale had fallen through

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because of an extraordinary complication with the title deeds

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of Chris's property - one that would put off most other buyers, too!

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Because, although they'd known nothing about it till now,

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the deeds contained two clauses - the first forbidding them

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to sell the house without their next door neighbour's permission,

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and the second saying any structural changes to the home would

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have to be agreed by the neighbours as well!

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So, technically even if they wanted to knock a wall down inside the house

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they'd need to go next door to check that was OK.

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This is why the people pulled out of buying the property,

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because they weren't prepared to take the house on

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with those restrictions on, which is fair enough.

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We wouldn't have taken it on if we'd have been told about it.

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It emerged that Chris's house was built on land

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which originally belonged to next door. And when the land

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had later been divided up, the correct details weren't added to the Land Registry.

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And though that sounds like a minor detail, it's caused Chris

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a major problem and made her house extraordinarily difficult to sell.

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She couldn't understand why her solicitors hadn't picked up on

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these restrictions on the deeds when she bought the house 12 years ago.

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So she asked them.

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He admitted they're wrong, he's admitted they could've been corrected

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and they admit that basically I've been badly served.

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An opinion shared by an independent solicitor

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who we asked to look at Chris's case.

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I feel very sorry for these people.

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The firm should have picked up on this and advised them

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and dealt with it accordingly at the time when they bought the property.

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For Chris, the fact that they didn't has had far-reaching consequences.

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Not only has she paid other solicitors £1,250 in failed attempts

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to get the problem sorted, she feels she's stuck in a house

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she can't sell and can no longer afford to stay in.

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Running costs are a lot higher here in this house than they would be

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if we'd moved to where we wanted to go.

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My husband could've retired, whereas now he's forced to work.

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We feel robbed.

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Chris's former solicitors did offer to handle a future sale for her

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free of charge - and offered her £485 compensation.

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But Chris doesn't think it's nearly enough considering everything

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she's gone through.

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I couldn't believe it!

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I thought at first there was a few noughts missing.

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It's an insult.

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We contacted the solicitors in question and though they accept

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they made a mistake which they could have corrected,

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they don't believe it should have created the problems it has

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because, as far as they're concerned, it could easily have been rectified

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by the solicitors who Chris was using to sell her home.

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But when we contacted that firm of solicitors, they disagreed,

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saying that though they tried to fix all this, they couldn't.

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None of which is any help to Chris who wants the situation

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finally put right.

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Because although the restriction on her selling the house

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has now been lifted, the one saying alterations

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need to be run past the neighbours remains in place,

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leaving her feeling she's paid a high price

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for someone else's mistake.

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They're the legal profession.

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It's their job to know what all this is about, what conveyancing's about,

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what those words on those papers mean.

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We paid them good money to read that and to act in our best interest.

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They didn't.

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Now, changing the subject, here's a question for you - what's in a name?

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Well, quite a lot if you end up in the same horrendous position

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as our next viewer.

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Now many of the things that most of us just take for granted,

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even something as simple as buying a telephone, she just can't do.

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All because her name has been muddled up with somebody else's.

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Susan M Brown couldn't get a mortgage. Her store card applications were turned down.

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And even getting a mobile phone contract was impossible.

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I'm quite an independent person

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so not being able to get a mobile phone and not being able,

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you know... Even if I wanted to get a credit card, I couldn't.

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And like, the car, we've had to do that

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in my husband's name and, you know,

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it's everyday, little things that people take for granted.

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Susan had lost her identity. And it's all because of her name.

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It is very frustrating, it makes me really angry at times as well

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and I have got upset at times, there's times that I haven't slept

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because it's worrying, I just haven't known how to clear my name.

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Susan's troubles began seven years ago, when her name changed.

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I got re-married. Before that I'd been Susan Margaret Eamus

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and I married in May 2005 and became Susan Margaret Brown.

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In January 2007 I had a letter from Dorothy Perkins saying that

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I owed nearly £500 pounds.

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As she'd never even had a Dorothy Perkins store card

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this really baffled Susan, and of course she just threw the bill away.

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She assumed it was simply a one-off mistake.

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Then about a month later I had a letter from a debt collection agency

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saying that I owed nearly £15,000, which as you can imagine

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was quite a shock and, you know, a lot more money.

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So I rang them and they said, "Oh, yes, sorry we've been given

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"the wrong details, it was Experian that gave us your details,

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"you need to contact them and let them know

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"that they've made a mistake," which, you know, is what I did.

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It appears that this Susan M Brown's credit file had been muddled

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with another Susan M Brown's file.

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Experian, which is Britain's biggest credit reference company,

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worked alongside Susan to clear her file,

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and advised her to contact the other credit reference companies.

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And while at first this did seem to help the problem, I'm afraid,

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soon returned.

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At the beginning people said, "Oh, yeah,

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"sorry, we've got the wrong person, and so therefore

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"we'll take your address off file," but then it continued.

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However hard she tried, she just couldn't convince everyone

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that she was a different Susan M Brown to the one they thought.

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The problem that I faced is that the lady that owes the money,

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we share the same date of birth.

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We found 484 Susan M Browns on the Electoral Roll,

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but by sheer fluke the two that have been mixed up

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just happened to share the same birthday.

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Determined to clear her name,

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our Susan M Brown went to great lengths to prove who she was.

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There was a consumer advice guy that I went to and he advised that

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I changed my name by deed pole to Griffith-Brown, which is what I did.

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But that hasn't made any difference.

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The letters are still coming through

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and in fact people have said that it's an alias,

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it's an alias that I use and I'm trying to hide behind another name.

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I went to Citizens Advice. They just gave me a print out of things to do.

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But on there it said that I could give a notice of correction

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to Experian and Equifax which is what I did.

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I typed a letter and just said, "You've got your facts wrong."

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I've sent them photocopies of my birth certificate,

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my marriage certificate, you know, all the documents I've got,

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proving who I am and I've sent that to numerous debt collection agencies.

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And the whole sorry saga was even affecting her marriage.

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David was even doubting me, thinking that I did owe this

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amount of money and that I hadn't been honest to him

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about how much debt and everything I was in.

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So yeah, that was tough, that's a real tough thing to face.

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And the demand letters just kept on coming.

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I was threatened with either arrest or bailiffs, and then you

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start to think, "Well, actually this is not going to go away."

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There was a time when I had a solicitor who wrote to me

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and said that they were going to attach litigation

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to me and to my property.

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I've had letters saying that they're going to bankrupt me, you know,

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it's been quite a horrible journey really.

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So, 5 years down the line, still battling to prove who she is,

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Susan contacted Rip-Off Britain for help.

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On her behalf, we again got in touch with Experian,

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to find out why this problem just won't go away.

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Certainly, as far as your Experian report's concerned,

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there's no longer any confusion, there's no data on there

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about the other person.

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Of course, some of the organisations that are still looking

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for their customer might still have your details and as a result,

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you know, might still be getting in touch or even passing those

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details on to other organisations that they're working with.

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But James says that there is an organisation that might

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be able to help - the Credit Services Association, or CSA.

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They will look into any malpractice that's alleged

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against their members and they'll take that very seriously.

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If you're still being contacted and, as I say, the organisations

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aren't listening to your very clear information

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they've got the wrong person, then certainly, I'm sure the trade body

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would be, very interested to have a look at that for you.

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I now know that there is somewhere else I can go, and hopefully,

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if I report all the issues that I've had to them,

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that will be an end of this situation.

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The Credit Services Association told us they're working to resolve

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Susan's case and their members are "Sorry for any distress caused."

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They say cases that like this are uncommon but by no means unique

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and they're trying to find a permanent solution to this issue.

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It's robbed me of my identity and, you know,

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I'm seen as somebody who has bad debt and somebody not to trust

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and that's hard, that's tough to live with that.

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Well, we're keeping everything crossed that Susan's problems

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will now finally have come to an end,

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and she won't have any more of all this in the future.

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In the meantime our website

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has tips on how to check your own credit history.

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Our next case study, Len Kelundra,

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is the kind of loyal customer that most companies absolutely love.

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He's been with his phone company BT for over 30 years now,

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so you'd think that they'd want to keep hold of him at all costs.

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But his recent experience of their customer service has meant

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that his previously steady relationship with them

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is now looking just a bit shaky.

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As the ads say, "It's good to talk" and with so many friends

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and relatives abroad,

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Len Kelundra spends a lot of time on the phone catching up.

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He talks to people in Sri Lanka.

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In India. And sometimes in Malaysia.

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So what's your plan?

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So to make all of that cheaper, he took out

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BT's International Freedom Package, which for an extra £5 a month

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gave him 600 minutes to talk to his friends around the world.

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I can't afford to be without the International Freedom package

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because it will be very expensive to be in touch with my family.

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Happy with the phone tariff that he was on,

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Len wanted see how BT measured up in other areas.

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So he signed up for one of their broadband packages

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after being offered three months for free.

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BT contacted me several times boasting about their BT Infinity package

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and it's much better for the price I'd pay.

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They said I'd get a better speed and better performance.

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So Len signed up to an 18-month BT Infinity package, including

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broadband, and he thought, keeping his International Freedom add-on.

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And after being a customer for nearly 30 years,

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he expected the same reliable service that he was used to.

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I was depending on BT to provide a very good service for me

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and also they said that this will have no impact on any of my other

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services that I have.

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But it did. Len's direct debit suddenly rocketed

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from £41 to £183 per month.

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And due to ill health he didn't check his first quarterly bill

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as thoroughly as he normally would have done, so it wasn't until

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his next bill arrived three months later that he spotted the increased cost.

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I noticed that BT was charging me for the international calls

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which is supposed to be free with the International Freedom package.

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I was very stressed and worried about why this has happened.

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And no wonder.

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Over the last eight months, Len's international calls had

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cost him a total of £409, whereas normally, apart from the £5 a month

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Freedom Package fee, those same calls would have been free.

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Len rang BT to find out what was going on.

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They said when the BT Broadband Infinity package was installed

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there was a system error and they struck my International Freedom

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calls due to the system error,

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and they were charging full rate for my international calls.

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So if Len's International Freedom package had been

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removed by mistake when BT set up his broadband surely

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that would be easy enough to sort out?

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And at first it seemed that the answer was yes.

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They said they will refund the money.

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Relieved, Len sat back and waited for the money to arrive.

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And then after few weeks nothing happens, then I call again.

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And they say to hold the line for a long time and then they say,

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the problem was due to the system error and they will sort it out.

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But again Len heard nothing more and the problem wasn't sorted.

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So he rang BT back and this time he got to speak to a manager.

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He apologised and he said this is their mistake

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and they will sort it out, let me investigate the bills.

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And he asked me to hold the line,

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I was holding the line for a long time, for more than hour.

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The line got cut off.

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Infuriatingly, Len spent a lot of time over the next few days

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listening to BT's hold music.

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Over the last few months Len has made more than twenty calls

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to them to sort his problem out and twice been put on hold

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for more than an hour and then cut off.

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It keeps on going like this, the problem of contacting BT,

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it's horrendous. I wanted to scream!

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In their company report BT pledged that...

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But, that was NOT Len's experience.

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From the telephone calls I was not getting anywhere.

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So then I decided to write to BT and send an email to them.

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And almost two months since he'd first complained

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Len got a resolution - although it wasn't the one he was expecting.

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BT now said they WOULD NOT be refunding

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his international calls as he hadn't notified them of the extra charges straight away.

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It makes me very angry because I never asked them to cancel

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my International Freedom package and they never asked me

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and they never said it's been cancelled

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so I can't understand why this is my mistake.

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I feel that BT doesn't care about me

0:20:540:20:57

We put that to BT and they apologised for

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the "disruption and poor service" that Len suffered

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after they accidentally cancelled his International Freedom package.

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They've now reinstated him on it

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AND they've given him a full refund

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for the international calls

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that he was charged while he was without it.

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But Len still feels let down by the company that he's been loyal to for so long.

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I've been faithful to them for nearly 30 years.

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So I would expect the same thing from a service provider -

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to be faithful, to provide a good service to me.

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If you think that you've been left out of pocket by a mistake

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that a company has made,

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or indeed if you feel that your complaint is being ignored

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then here are just a few tips on how you can make your voice heard.

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The first thing to do is to complain directly to the company.

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So I recommend you either write to them or send an e-mail

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and keep a copy of the correspondence.

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It's important that when you complain you're very clear

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about what's gone wrong and what you want the company to do right.

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Make sure that you're calm, clear and logical

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and tell them what you want by the way of compensation

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if you want any compensation at all.

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If you're not getting anywhere

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then ask if your complaint can be referred up.

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If you're doing this in writing, say that you want it dealt with

0:22:230:22:26

by somebody who's senior in customer services.

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If you're dealing with somebody on the phone then insist

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that you're not just passed from one call centre person to the other.

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See if you can speak to a supervising manager.

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If you're sending follow-up correspondence

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to see how the company's dealing with your complaint then keep copies.

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And if you're phoning them, make sure you keep a record

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of who you spoke to,

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when you spoke to them

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and what they said.

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Most companies these days

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record their phone calls

0:22:530:22:55

and that could be useful for you

0:22:550:22:57

if there's a dispute later on about who said what.

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If you're still getting nowhere, it may be time

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to refer your complaint to one of the ombudsman.

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It's free to complain

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and the ombudsman can force companies to pay you compensation.

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Another route is using social media such as Facebook and Twitter.

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Quite a lot of companies have people monitoring

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Facebook and Twitter comments and you may find you get a speedier result

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than going down a traditional route.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain...

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How a mistake by the DVLA left this driver off the road

0:23:280:23:32

and hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

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It was extremely frustrating and very upsetting

0:23:350:23:39

because it restricted almost everything one did.

0:23:390:23:43

We've opened our very own pop-up shop

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at the Metro Centre in Gateshead...

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We declare our pop-up shop open!

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Overnight, we've transformed this space

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into a one-stop consumer advice centre.

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Hello, how are you?

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So we can try and solve some of your problems face to face.

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-Is this your good lady?

-Yes, it is.

-Hi.

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For one weekend, our team of experts is inside,

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ready to offer practical advice on a variety of consumer issues.

0:24:130:24:16

Gemma popped in to see personal finance expert, Sarah Pennels,

0:24:180:24:23

after a mistake by her bank, when she switched accounts,

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left her out of pocket.

0:24:260:24:27

-Fire away, Gemma.

-When I changed my bank account over

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and changed where my wages were going to be going,

0:24:300:24:33

they took all the direct debits out of the wrong account.

0:24:330:24:36

I was then charged by the mortgage company for a missed payment.

0:24:360:24:39

I'm worried now there's going to be something on my credit rating.

0:24:390:24:42

Well you said you've already made a complaint to the bank

0:24:420:24:45

so I think you have to wait for up to eight weeks

0:24:450:24:48

while they work out what, if anything, they're going to do,

0:24:480:24:50

and if they don't offer to pay back the £42 that they've charged you

0:24:500:24:53

then I would go and take the complaint

0:24:530:24:55

to the Financial Ombudsman Service which is free to use.

0:24:550:24:58

But I think more importantly,

0:24:580:24:59

you do need to get hold of a copy of your credit reference file,

0:24:590:25:03

just to make sure that that payment that was late

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that wasn't your fault isn't marked down there.

0:25:050:25:07

Because if it is, that could cause you some problems.

0:25:070:25:10

-Yeah.

-If you look at your credit file

0:25:100:25:12

and you see something there that you think is not just,

0:25:120:25:15

what can you do about it?

0:25:150:25:17

If you think the information isn't correct

0:25:170:25:19

then you've got the right to dispute it and basically you should contact

0:25:190:25:23

the credit reference company concerned,

0:25:230:25:25

tell them what you think is wrong and they've got 28 days

0:25:250:25:27

to either get back to you and tell you,

0:25:270:25:29

"Yes we'll remove this disputed mark, "No, we won't and here's why,"

0:25:290:25:33

or, "We need longer to look into it."

0:25:330:25:36

You know we don't care whether your consumer problem is big or small.

0:25:360:25:41

-We just like to hear about it, right?

-Absolutely right.

0:25:410:25:43

And I can tell you that our gripe box is just the place

0:25:430:25:46

to get it all off your chest.

0:25:460:25:48

I'm really annoyed about the price of fuel.

0:25:480:25:50

It's ridiculous as to how expensive it is.

0:25:500:25:53

Car insurance is an absolute disgrace.

0:25:530:25:56

I paid £2,200 for my first year's insurance

0:25:560:25:58

and that's just a total rip-off.

0:25:580:26:00

I've come to complain about the high prices that holiday companies

0:26:000:26:05

charge during the school holidays.

0:26:050:26:07

I feel that the pensioners in this country are getting ripped off.

0:26:070:26:11

But one pensioner determined not to get a raw deal is Norman.

0:26:110:26:15

Norman, it seems to me

0:26:150:26:17

that you're someone who's got an eye for a bargain

0:26:170:26:20

but it sounds as if you very nearly got caught out by an optician.

0:26:200:26:24

Tell me what happened.

0:26:240:26:26

Well my wife and I decided to go and get new spectacles.

0:26:260:26:29

We saw an advertisement for a company offering 25% discount

0:26:290:26:34

for pensioners who went in and purchased on their quiet days.

0:26:340:26:38

So the assistant chose my wife's spectacles

0:26:380:26:40

and she eventually decided on two pair.

0:26:400:26:42

So the girl immediately got the calculator out

0:26:420:26:45

and said it wouldn't be any benefit, the pensioner's discount.

0:26:450:26:49

How much the spectacles would have cost you

0:26:490:26:51

with your 25% discount "special" for pensioners

0:26:510:26:55

and how much it would have cost you if you didn't have the 25%?

0:26:550:26:58

Well If I had the 25% discount for pensioners

0:26:580:27:01

and had insisted on that, they would have cost me £215.

0:27:010:27:04

If I didn't have the pensioner's discount

0:27:050:27:07

and went in as a normal member of the public,

0:27:070:27:10

-they would have cost £198.

-Crikey!

0:27:100:27:12

It sounds very strange

0:27:140:27:15

and I'm sure it's something

0:27:150:27:17

Trading Standards would want to look at.

0:27:170:27:19

If you're being offered a discount, you shouldn't pay more

0:27:190:27:22

than the people who aren't being offered the discount.

0:27:220:27:24

This a story where it really is "Read the small print" and "Buyer beware."

0:27:240:27:28

When you feel you've had a raw deal,

0:27:320:27:33

it can be hard to know what to do or where to turn.

0:27:330:27:37

So to help you we've put together a new booklet

0:27:370:27:40

full of practical tips and advice.

0:27:400:27:42

You can download the free guide on our website.

0:27:420:27:44

Or to receive a copy in the post,

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send an A5 stamped and self-addressed envelope

0:27:500:27:52

to the address that we'll give you at the end of the programme.

0:27:520:27:55

Now, we hear a lot of examples of frustrating customer service,

0:27:590:28:03

but here's one that really takes the biscuit.

0:28:030:28:06

It all started with, as their own ads might say,

0:28:060:28:08

"Not just a mistake but an M&S mistake."

0:28:080:28:11

And it's been compounded by the people that, "Promise you extra."

0:28:110:28:15

The Halifax.

0:28:150:28:16

But in this case, the "extra" is confusion.

0:28:160:28:19

Between them, two of the best-known names on the High Street

0:28:190:28:22

have created a situation

0:28:220:28:23

that's left Natalie Harvey hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

0:28:230:28:27

And neither seems able to put things right.

0:28:270:28:30

It's money they can't afford to be without.

0:28:340:28:37

But for almost a year now, through no fault of their own,

0:28:400:28:42

Natalie Harvey and her family have been out of pocket by £1,456.

0:28:420:28:48

I literally was running backwards and forwards

0:28:500:28:52

between Marks and Spencers and Halifax,

0:28:520:28:54

with both of them saying, "I don't know where your money is."

0:28:540:28:57

I have to watch every single penny.

0:28:570:28:58

So £1,400, not having in my account,

0:28:580:29:02

is a significant amount of money for bringing up my family.

0:29:020:29:06

The trouble dates back to May 2009,

0:29:070:29:10

when Natalie cancelled her car insurance policy

0:29:100:29:12

with Marks and Spencer after an accident.

0:29:120:29:15

My car was written off.

0:29:150:29:17

So...I sent all my documentation off that I needed

0:29:170:29:21

to send to Marks and Spencers to cancel my policy

0:29:210:29:23

and as far as I was concerned my policy should have been cancelled.

0:29:230:29:27

But it wasn't and because Natalie's premiums

0:29:270:29:30

came out of an account she rarely used, she didn't notice that M&S

0:29:300:29:34

continued to debit that account for a further two years.

0:29:340:29:39

It's an account that I use purely for my son,

0:29:390:29:41

just for his birthday parties, school uniform.

0:29:410:29:44

I don't get bank statements and it's just a case of,

0:29:440:29:48

I look online every now and then to just see how much is in there really.

0:29:480:29:51

When I finally realised, I was absolutely shocked.

0:29:510:29:55

Natalie immediately contacted M&S,

0:29:550:29:57

who told her they had no record that her car was no longer in use

0:29:570:30:01

and she'd need to contact the DVLA to get the documents

0:30:010:30:04

to prove it had been written off.

0:30:040:30:06

Which she did.

0:30:060:30:08

Once they'd received the documentation,

0:30:080:30:10

they did, finally, admit that they were at fault

0:30:100:30:13

and they shouldn't have taken the payment.

0:30:130:30:16

Once M&S had the proof they needed,

0:30:160:30:18

they agreed to refund Natalie the money they'd taken in error.

0:30:180:30:21

I was over the moon.

0:30:210:30:24

I was so pleased because over the two years the total had come to £1,400.

0:30:240:30:28

What I'm going to do, count to ten, you've gotta hide

0:30:280:30:31

and I'll come and find you.

0:30:310:30:33

BUT two months went by and Natalie still hadn't received the refund.

0:30:330:30:37

So she called M&S again.

0:30:370:30:39

The good news was they insisted they HAD refunded the money.

0:30:390:30:44

But the BAD news was they couldn't confirm exactly

0:30:440:30:47

into which account they'd paid it.

0:30:470:30:48

And they couldn't give her many clues.

0:30:480:30:52

They couldn't give me the name of the card,

0:30:520:30:55

the bank detail, the branch or anything.

0:30:550:30:58

Rather than refund the money to the account they'd regularly used

0:30:580:31:02

to take Natalie's premiums, M&S said it had gone to one

0:31:020:31:05

she'd used four years ago to make a one-off payment.

0:31:050:31:08

But those last four digits were the only thing

0:31:080:31:11

they could tell her about it.

0:31:110:31:12

Marks and Spencers literally left the detective work up to me

0:31:150:31:18

to try and track down the account that it was actually relevant to.

0:31:180:31:21

So I literally had to do all the digging about myself.

0:31:210:31:26

Natalie checked all her bank accounts,

0:31:260:31:28

but the money wasn't there.

0:31:280:31:29

And when she couldn't find any card ending with those four numbers,

0:31:290:31:33

she went back to M&S.

0:31:330:31:35

Who suggested that maybe they'd sent the money to an account

0:31:350:31:39

that was now closed.

0:31:390:31:40

And if that was the case, the bank who had it would return it to them

0:31:400:31:44

but that process would take six months.

0:31:440:31:47

When they told me I had to wait six months,

0:31:470:31:50

I did think it was ridiculous.

0:31:500:31:51

But nonetheless I did wait six months and I called them back

0:31:510:31:55

for them to simply tell me that the money hadn't been returned,

0:31:550:31:59

so I must have it.

0:31:590:32:00

Natalie assured M&S that, no, she still hadn't received her money,

0:32:010:32:06

and persuaded them to investigate further.

0:32:060:32:09

It's just draining.

0:32:090:32:10

You have to spend so much time

0:32:100:32:12

and so much effort actually having to chase money

0:32:120:32:15

that they should have paid into the correct account to start with.

0:32:150:32:18

Meanwhile, Natalie had a breakthrough,

0:32:190:32:21

when she finally found the bank card

0:32:210:32:23

ending with the four digits M&S had given her.

0:32:230:32:26

It belonged to a Halifax account

0:32:260:32:28

that had been closed since December 2008.

0:32:280:32:31

But unfortunately, that wasn't the end of the matter.

0:32:310:32:35

I think last I spoke to her,

0:32:350:32:38

she listened back in to my phone calls?

0:32:380:32:40

When Natalie contacted Halifax, they couldn't find the money either.

0:32:400:32:44

They basically told me that no money had come in or out,

0:32:440:32:48

it's a closed account

0:32:480:32:50

and that the money must've been returned to Marks and Spencers.

0:32:500:32:55

Halifax said that to trace the payments,

0:32:550:32:57

they'd need some extra information.

0:32:570:32:59

So Natalie contacted M&S to get a unique code

0:33:010:33:03

called a transaction sequence number,

0:33:030:33:06

which both they AND the receiving bank would have.

0:33:060:33:08

But within a week, Halifax had some bad news.

0:33:080:33:12

The branch manager said that, "That particular account was closed

0:33:130:33:17

"and no money had come in and no money had come out"

0:33:170:33:19

and that she couldn't trace them at all.

0:33:190:33:22

Increasingly frustrated, Natalie went back to M&S

0:33:220:33:25

to say the numbers they'd given her HADN'T helped locate the money.

0:33:250:33:29

All they could do was reiterate that the money HAD been sent to Halifax.

0:33:290:33:34

With neither M&S nor Halifax able to locate her money,

0:33:350:33:39

and Natalie stuck in the middle of it all, she got in touch with us

0:33:390:33:43

to see if we could help.

0:33:430:33:46

And surprise, surprise, that's done the trick.

0:33:460:33:49

Both M&S and Halifax agree that the delay in resolving this case

0:33:490:33:53

has been "unacceptable", and that the standard of customer service

0:33:530:33:57

has been below their expectations.

0:33:570:34:01

And not only have they apologised to Natalie

0:34:010:34:03

and refunded ALL the money she's owed,

0:34:030:34:05

but they've given her compensation

0:34:050:34:07

for the inconvenience she experienced.

0:34:070:34:09

But Natalie still doesn't understand why it all took so long.

0:34:090:34:14

It is not acceptable for a refund to take a year to get back.

0:34:140:34:19

It's just absolutely ridiculous.

0:34:190:34:22

It should take... It literally should take a matter of minutes or days.

0:34:220:34:27

Now driving isn't always just about getting from A to B.

0:34:290:34:34

For some of us, it's a necessity. For others, it's a pleasure.

0:34:340:34:37

Either way, finding yourself without a licence,

0:34:370:34:40

let's face it, is a big deal.

0:34:400:34:42

And when that's because of an error that should never have happened -

0:34:420:34:46

well, you can imagine not just the inconvenience,

0:34:460:34:48

but the utter frustration.

0:34:480:34:50

So put yourself in the shoes of 83-year-old Alban

0:34:500:34:53

driven to distraction by the consequences of a careless mistake

0:34:530:34:57

that cost him, not just his independence,

0:34:570:35:00

but an awful lot of money as well.

0:35:000:35:02

Driving tests were first introduced in Britain back in 1935.

0:35:060:35:10

And since then, more than 98 million people have taken their test.

0:35:100:35:14

Amongst them, 83-year-old Alban Pearson.

0:35:170:35:20

Now to say that he enjoys driving would be an understatement.

0:35:200:35:24

He's been doing it most of his life.

0:35:250:35:27

I've been driving since 1946.

0:35:270:35:30

Prior to that, off-road in the fields with tractors.

0:35:300:35:35

Went into the forces at 21 after an apprenticeship.

0:35:350:35:38

One of activities I did there - I trained a lot of drivers.

0:35:380:35:42

I did a little competition driving both on motorcycles and cars.

0:35:420:35:47

Alban's driving skills are still very much in demand.

0:35:490:35:52

His friends rely on him, for example, for a lift to their bridge games.

0:35:520:35:57

Come wind, rain or shine - he's there, he picks us up

0:35:570:36:01

-and he's really, really good, isn't he, Margaret?

-Yes.

0:36:010:36:05

-We don't know what we'd do without him.

-Of course.

0:36:050:36:08

Alban's pride and joy - his beloved Rolls Royce.

0:36:090:36:13

A very stylish Silver Spirit.

0:36:130:36:15

And he was looking forward to a very special opportunity

0:36:150:36:18

to put it to good use.

0:36:180:36:20

The pending wedding of my grandchild,

0:36:200:36:24

we'd arranged to have me drive our Rolls,

0:36:240:36:28

which they'd looked forward to and I was going to ferry them

0:36:280:36:31

to and fro and certainly I was looking forward to that day.

0:36:310:36:35

But unfortunately, that was not to be!

0:36:370:36:39

All UK drivers over 70 have their licence reviewed every three years.

0:36:400:36:44

Now as part of that, the government licensing authority,

0:36:440:36:48

the DVLA, can also request an eye test.

0:36:480:36:52

They did that with Alban last year.

0:36:520:36:54

And when he'd been to the optician,

0:36:540:36:56

the results were sent on to the DVLA.

0:36:560:36:58

When they wrote back, Alban couldn't believe his eyes.

0:37:010:37:06

Because the DVLA were saying that following the eye test

0:37:060:37:09

they were taking away his licence.

0:37:090:37:12

Well, I was astounded really because the letter indicated that

0:37:120:37:17

I needed to be able to read a car number plate

0:37:170:37:20

at something like 20.5 metres.

0:37:200:37:22

This is something I had no problems with

0:37:220:37:24

and my eyes had been monitored for a number of years.

0:37:240:37:28

Good number of years now.

0:37:280:37:29

Baffled, Alban paid out of his own pocket

0:37:310:37:33

for ANOTHER eye test with a consultant.

0:37:330:37:36

He passed and immediately let the DVLA know.

0:37:360:37:39

It turned out that THEY had made an error

0:37:400:37:43

with Alban's first eye test and although they admitted that

0:37:430:37:46

and apologised for taking away his licence,

0:37:460:37:48

it took a full five months for him to get it back.

0:37:480:37:52

It was extremely frustrating and very upsetting

0:37:530:37:58

because it restricted almost everything one did

0:37:580:38:02

and obviously we were very upset at not getting, you know,

0:38:020:38:07

a good response from the DVLA with regard to it.

0:38:070:38:09

So through no fault of his own,

0:38:100:38:12

not only was Alban unable to do the driving at his grandson's wedding,

0:38:120:38:16

but for months the DVLA's mistake stopped him

0:38:160:38:20

from doing ANY driving whatsoever.

0:38:200:38:22

I think it's unfortunate that whoever is dealing with it

0:38:230:38:27

at the DVLA doesn't put themselves

0:38:270:38:29

into the position that I found myself in.

0:38:290:38:32

It meant that you were constricted in a way

0:38:320:38:34

that was like putting a fence round you, really.

0:38:340:38:37

The friends who relied on Alban to ferry them around

0:38:370:38:41

were also left stranded.

0:38:410:38:43

It was devastating for him, wasn't it?

0:38:430:38:46

It was stressful and I think he really felt it.

0:38:460:38:49

And there wasn't just an emotional cost.

0:38:510:38:53

Over those five months,

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Alban drove up quite a few financial losses as well.

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Including £314.70

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for car insurance he couldn't use.

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£175 for road tax.

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And £320 to hire another car for the wedding.

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And by the time he'd added up all his costs,

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including that second eye test and a solicitor's bill for legal advice,

0:39:160:39:21

Alban estimated he was out of pocket by a total of £1,500.

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So he asked the DVLA to give him that back.

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After all, THEY had made the mistake.

0:39:300:39:32

We had only asked for

0:39:320:39:35

that we considered was an absolute direct consequence

0:39:350:39:38

of the action of the DVLA and, you know,

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didn't really allow for all the trauma and the consequences

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of not being able to drive on, you know, more normal occasions.

0:39:480:39:52

But when the DVLA responded they offered Alban £700 -

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less than half of what he felt he was due.

0:39:580:40:00

For them to offer half that, again is, you know,

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some indication that they didn't understand

0:40:040:40:07

and appreciate the consequence of their actions.

0:40:070:40:10

We contacted the DVLA, and they told us they're

0:40:100:40:14

"sorry for the error that was made", but point out that they

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"Handle around 700,000 medical cases a year

0:40:170:40:20

"and mistakes are extremely rare".

0:40:200:40:23

And when mistakes DO happen, they insist they correct them

0:40:230:40:26

"As quickly as possible".

0:40:260:40:29

As for the amount of compensation- after we got in touch,

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the DVLA upped their offer to £1,000, which Alban has now accepted

0:40:330:40:38

and he's absolutely delighted to be back on the road.

0:40:380:40:42

Oh, I'm very happy to be driving again,

0:40:420:40:44

I would never want to have that same experience again

0:40:440:40:46

and certainly my good ladies that I pick up for the bridge club

0:40:460:40:50

appreciate the fact that there isn't a problem again

0:40:500:40:53

and certainly it's a big relief.

0:40:530:40:55

A big relief.

0:40:550:40:56

Here at Rip-Off Britain,

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we're always ready to investigate more of your stories.

0:41:030:41:06

Confused over your bills?

0:41:080:41:09

Trying to wade your way through never-ending small print?

0:41:090:41:12

We should read it but it's no in plain English, it's not...

0:41:120:41:15

it should be simple, you know, ABC, you know - very basic stuff.

0:41:150:41:18

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out,

0:41:180:41:21

and that "great deal" has ended up costing you money?

0:41:210:41:24

You get home, you get your bill and it's like £70,

0:41:240:41:26

when it's meant to be £35.

0:41:260:41:29

And it's just basically, you just get ripped off, don't you?

0:41:290:41:32

You might have a cautionary tale of your own

0:41:330:41:35

and want to share the mistakes you made with us,

0:41:350:41:38

so that other people don't do the same thing.

0:41:380:41:40

We paid them good money to act in our best interest, they didn't.

0:41:400:41:44

You can write to us at...

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Or you can send us an e-mail to...

0:41:560:41:58

Remember the Rip-Off team are always ready and waiting

0:42:030:42:07

to investigate your stories.

0:42:070:42:08

So as we've heard today, when you're paying for somebody

0:42:100:42:14

to do a good job on your behalf, it can be incredibly frustrating,

0:42:140:42:18

not to mention seem very unfair,

0:42:180:42:19

when it's YOU left counting the cost of THEIR mistakes.

0:42:190:42:22

And it's all the more maddening

0:42:220:42:24

when something that you'd hoped could be sorted very quickly

0:42:240:42:28

actually takes months, or maybe even longer, to sort out.

0:42:280:42:32

Now, I know it can seem a very daunting task

0:42:320:42:35

when you're taking on big companies,

0:42:350:42:37

even though YOU are completely in the right.

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But there IS help out there, so don't give up!

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And remember, if you don't get resolution,

0:42:420:42:44

or you feel you're getting a raw deal, come to us.

0:42:440:42:47

In the meantime, thanks for joining us, and until next time...

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ALL: Goodbye.

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