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We asked you to tell us, "Who's left you feeling ripped off?"

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and you contacted us in your thousands by post,

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email, even stopping us on the street,

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and the message could not be clearer.

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It feels to me that I'm fighting a battle that I can't win.

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It costs a fortune, and when you actually get through you get fobbed off.

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With money tighter than ever, you need to be sure every pound you spend is worth it.

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We ploughed thousands into it and we had nowhere to turn.

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So whether it's a deliberate rip-off, a simple mistake

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or a catch in the small print,

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we'll find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money... This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain,

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the programme that when you feel you've had a raw deal, is here to find out why,

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so that with a bit of luck, we can stop the same thing happening to anyone else.

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It's not always easy to predict how exactly things will turn out

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and in most of the situations that you asked us to investigate,

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at the time you signed up or handed over your money,

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there was no reason to suspect that you would not get exactly what you paid for.

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That's definitely the case with our stories today.

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All of the people who've contacted us

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did so because their hard-earned cash just did not produce what they were expecting,

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and in some cases, it's got them absolutely nothing at all.

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We've been trying to get the answers to exactly what's been going on.

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Coming up on today's programme,

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the couple who packed everything they own into a shipping container,

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only for it to vanish into thin air.

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We don't even know where it is. I mean, it's big, it's 20-feet-long,

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it's bright green, it weighs five tonnes!

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How could you mislay something like that?

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A business opportunity supposed to earn you thousands from your own home,

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so why have some of you ended up with nothing?

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I went into it hook, line and sinker

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and, yes, I feel like I was done over.

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Plus, more unmissable advice from our annual pop-up shop,

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this time in Liverpool.

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It's bad enough when any treasured possession is misplaced,

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but it's hard to imagine just how it must feel

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to have all of your worldly goods

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seemingly disappear in one fell swoop.

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Sadly, that's the situation that one couple find themselves in

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after paying a shipping company to transport everything that they own back to the UK.

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They watched as their things, safely stored in a 20-foot-long shipping container,

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were loaded up and sent on their way.

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But that was the last they saw of them.

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With no clue as to where they've ended up,

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they've asked us to try and track them down.

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It's the stuff of nightmares -

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nearly everything you've ever owned,

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including the entire contents of your house, gone.

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There's our wedding photos, two three-piece suites,

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a large pine Welsh dresser, a pine cupboard,

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a pine shelving unit, a very large old pine tack cupboard,

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a Stoves gas cooker, a microwave, dishwasher, fridge...

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In December 2003, Mike and his wife Brenda

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packed all their worldly goods into a 20-foot shipping container.

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So, why have they no idea where it ended up?

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How do you lose something like this?

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It's 20-feet-long and weighs over five tonnes.

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If things had gone to plan,

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Mike and Brenda would now be living in Spain, near the Costa del Sol.

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It's ten years since they decided to move out there,

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with hopes of finding a plot of land on which they could build their dream home.

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We decided to embark on a new life.

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We chose a country that would offer the lifestyle we were looking for

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and also the climate, which is very important.

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We chose Spain. We moved there pretty much lock, stock and barrel

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and decided we'd take a bit of time to settle down and get used to that lifestyle

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and then we'd look for some land to build a house.

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Whilst they looked for somewhere to build their home

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the couple were renting a fully-furnished villa,

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so most of their belongings stayed locked up in their shipping container.

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Everything we treasured would be in that container, including a kitchen sink.

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It wasn't ideal being separated from all their worldly goods,

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but at least they knew where they were

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and they didn't think they'd be waiting long to build their new home.

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By this time, we'd acquired the land we loved.

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Now it was a case of waiting for the permissions to come through so we could build the house,

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and all of our possessions could come out of the container and into the house.

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But that's when their new life started to go wrong.

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Things started off really well,

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but it seemed then the authorities started to throw one problem after another at us

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and it became increasingly difficult. It just became intolerable.

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Throughout it all, their shipping container -

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with their belongings inside - was sitting in a storage facility

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and the couple made regular visits to check on it.

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But by late 2011,

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as it became clear that their plans to build a home were getting nowhere,

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the couple decided to bring their Spanish adventure to an end.

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We'd become disenchanted with the whole idea of attempting to build this house.

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The culminating factor on that was that Brenda became ill

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and so we decided to come home, come back to the UK.

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I think the stress of where we were, not being able to build our property

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and everything was falling around about us,

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we just decided we needed to come home,

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we needed to spend time with the family, find a home,

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put our nice personal items in there and live our lives.

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So that meant finding a way to get the shipping container with all their possessions

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back to the UK.

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We did a lot of research and found a UK-based company called ASTE Shipping

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who agreed to bring it back for us.

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The initial price agreed was £1,480,

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but after a few days that price actually doubled.

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Mike understood from ASTE Shipping that the reason for the price hike

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was that a specialist vehicle would be required for transporting their container.

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The plan was that it was to be collected from Torrox,

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delivered to Valencia and driven all the way to Lincolnshire.

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I was asked to pay for the collection and delivery of the container in advance,

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some £3,000.

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It did strike me as slightly odd when I received instruction from ASTE Shipping

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to pay this money into Deutsche Bank in the Czech Republic.

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But looking forward to finally being able to unpack their belongings,

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Mike transferred the money.

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A couple of days later, he watched as the shipping container was loaded onto a lorry

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and driven off into the Spanish sunset.

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It was being taken to Valencia. From then, I'm not sure of the route

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but it was due to arrive at our house nine days later.

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Little did Mike and Brenda know that this would be the last they saw of their shipping container.

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The first hint of trouble ahead was when, a few days later,

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the boss of ASTE Shipping Group said that he was having problems tracing payment,

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although Mike's bank had very quickly provided proof

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that it had gone through exactly as instructed.

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But then the Spanish company transporting their belongings

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started to query their payment from ASTE Shipping.

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Amidst the confusion, the progress of the container somehow became unclear.

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We didn't know for sure where the container was.

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Things were beginning to unravel.

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And they only got worse.

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Although ASTE Shipping Group insisted that they would sort everything out, they didn't,

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and as the days became weeks, the company's vagueness turned into a worrying silence.

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Mike and Brenda were without their possessions

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and had no idea of where the container might be.

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We don't even know where it is. I mean, it's big, it's 20-feet-long,

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it's bright green, it weighs five tonnes.

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How could you mislay something like that?

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They turned to a solicitor for help, but couldn't afford the legal bills.

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So now, almost 18 months since they last waved the container off in Torrox,

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it is still missing

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and the couple feel that the boss of ASTE Shipping, Andrew Smart,

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has simply left them to it.

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Mr Smart can't or won't tell us where the container is,

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if he knows where it is himself.

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All our worldly possessions, our life, is in that container

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and we'd like our life back.

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Mike and Brenda are now living in a rented house in Lincolnshire,

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which they've had to fill with other people's possessions.

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I feel very upset by the whole thing.

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I don't have my own home

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and I don't have my own furniture and my own belongings.

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Things that I've saved, collected and treasured

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are all gone in a container that I don't know where it is

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or if I'm ever going to get it back.

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So, can we help locate the mystery vanishing container?

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We know that Mike last saw it on January 27th, 2012.

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I was there. I saw it being loaded onto the lorry and driven away.

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I have a receipt from the driver of that lorry to prove it.

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And we know that it was bound for the shipping port of Valencia.

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So after a bit of digging, our researcher calls Mike and Brenda

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with some good... and bad news.

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"Hi, Mike. I'm just calling because we've located the container."

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-Right.

-It's actually still in Valencia.

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-"It went from Malaga to Valencia..."

-Right.

-"..and it stayed there."

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So, we now know definitely where it is, then?

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"We definitely know where it is."

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We have asked them to tell us

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roughly how much it will cost to get it back.

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-OK.

-We think it's going to be in the region of 10,000 euros

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to get this container back to the UK.

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10,000 euros?

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Oh, no!

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Although Mike had paid ASTE Shipping Group up front,

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a haulage company they booked to do the job

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insists that none of that money was passed onto them.

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They've been keeping the container in storage,

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all the time racking up extra costs.

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We haven't got 10,000 euros to spend on that,

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so I don't know what the next step is.

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We've lost the money and the container,

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because I know that Spanish company will not release that container till they've got the money.

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I know they won't release it.

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We don't have that amount of money,

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-so...

-SHE SIGHS

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..I can't see an end to this situation at all.

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Mike and Brenda don't see why they should have to spend any more money getting the container home

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when they'd already paid someone to do exactly that.

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The situation's diabolical.

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We trusted a company, a British company,

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we paid them in advance to collect this container,

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it's not a difficult job and he's made a complete mess of it.

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We tried to track down Andrew Smart, the MD of ASTE Shipping Group,

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but despite sending letters to six different postal addresses,

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five company email addresses and ringing their offices,

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we haven't had any reply.

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As for the Spanish company that has the container,

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though they won't release it without being paid,

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they are currently negotiating with Mike and Brenda

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to try and find a price that they're all happy with,

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which means that the couple hope that they can find a way to be reunited with the possessions

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that they paid ASTE Shipping Group to bring home all that time ago.

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My whole world is in that container,

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pictures of my children when they were growing up,

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items that my grandparents have given to me,

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lots of treasures, lots of memories,

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all these things that are just lost to me now.

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Many times in the past, we've highlighted companies that make a charge

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for something that, in fact, you can quite easily arrange for absolutely nothing.

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Whether they're offering to get you back mis-sold PPI,

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re-band your council tax

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or supply you with a European Health Insurance Card,

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the chances are you could easily sort the whole thing out yourself

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without having to hand over a single penny.

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Here's another one to add to your list - booking a driving test.

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You've been telling us about a company that sounds like it's offering a great deal,

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but once you've paid your fee

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you may find you get absolutely nothing back in return.

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Being able to drive means more to 18-year-old Arjun

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than most boys his age.

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It's not just about gaining independence for himself.

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It would mean he could give crucial extra support to the rest of the family

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at a time when they need it most.

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My wife had a stroke.

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She's lost vision in one eye

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and she's unable to walk, so she's in a wheelchair.

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He does a lot around the house.

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He looks after the two wee ones. He's a second father, in a way.

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It'll help my younger siblings to get out a lot more

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so we can do more activities together and have a lot more freedom,

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rather than staying in the house all the time.

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Of course, learning to drive isn't cheap.

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The average driving lesson costs £24 per hour,

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and with official figures suggesting the average learner needs at least 47 lessons,

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the total cost can soon add up.

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But Arjun knew that it would be worth it, so he worked very hard to save up.

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I've been doing a paper round for two years previously.

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That requires me to get up

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at six o'clock in the morning before school.

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That was the only income I had.

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But all the saving paid off.

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Arjun finally had enough money to start his lessons

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and it wasn't long before he was ready to take his test.

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I was learning for about 20 lessons before I had to put in for my test.

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That felt really good. I was excited about that.

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I just wanted to get it over and done with.

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Arjun looked on the internet to find out how to book his test.

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The site he came across first was called Book-Your-Driving-Test-Online.co.uk.

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The people behind it were advertising a deal that Arjun just couldn't refuse.

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For a total of £88,

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they promised to not only book him his test,

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but they'd cover the cost of free additional resits if he failed first time.

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As each new resit with the Driving Standards Agency cost £62,

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Arjun thought this would be a really good way of saving money.

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That's what really was appealing because I wanted a backup.

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I was confident in passing,

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but I was always like, "I need a backup."

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The site also looked very official,

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even including a link to the proper Driving Standards Agency website,

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even though it does state that they're neither associated or affiliated with them.

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I paid online through my debit card and I put in my details

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and they said that they would send a confirmation booking email.

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But after a few days, when no confirmation of his driving test arrived,

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Arjun began to get concerned and started emailing the company,

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asking when his test would be booked.

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With no response, Arjun then tried to phone the company to see what was going on.

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A week passed, passed the deadline for what they said,

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and still I had no reply back from them.

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I called them and all I heard was them saying, "Hello? Hello, hello?"

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and then they hung up.

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I thought, "This isn't right. This shouldn't be happening."

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If it was legitimate,

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they would've called me back or something.

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At a loss as to what to do next, Arjun contacted us

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to see if we could find out

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what had happened to his test and his money.

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It was clear from our emails that Arjun isn't our only viewer

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who's handed over cash on this website but had nothing in return.

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We decided to see what would happen if we booked our own test on the same site.

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Here's Holly.

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She's a researcher on the programme and a learner driver.

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At the time of our experiment,

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Book-Your-Driving-Test-Online.co.uk.

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was still offering the same great deal as Arjun saw -

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not just a driving test but free resits

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and now at an even cheaper price of £78.

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Holly enters in her payment details, as requested,

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and soon receives an email confirmation. Job done.

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All we have to do now is wait.

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And wait... And wait...

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Six days later and no email.

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Holly calls them,

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but we keep getting put through to an answering machine that says...

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To try and get an explanation for all of this,

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we wrote to Book-Your-Driving-Test-Online.co.uk. by post and email

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but they didn't reply,

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so it's not clear why they've taken money for tests it seems were never booked.

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There are plenty of other sites that promise to help you book your driving test,

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not all of them, of course, are bogus,

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but the advice from the Driving Standards Agency

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is that the safest way to book a driving test,

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without paying any extra costs to do it,

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is through the official Government website, GOV.UK.

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And it's through that official site that Arjun has had to rebook his test.

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The good news is, he passed first time.

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And luckily for him, he was also able to get back

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the £88 he paid to Book-Your-Driving-Test-Online.co.uk

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through his bank, using the charge-back system.

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He doesn't understand how a company

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can get away with taking money for a service they haven't delivered.

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It's left me feeling disbelief

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at how easy these companies can take your money

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and it's not really... it doesn't mean anything to them

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and they don't understand what it means to you.

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For one weekend this summer, we opened up our one-stop consumer advice shop again.

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Liverpool was the venue

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and we were inundated with people who came to talk to our experts,

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or simply to get their biggest bugbears off their chests.

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I think the customer service in mobile phone companies is pretty shoddy.

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In the streets outside,

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we ran free workshops for passing shoppers right in the heart of the city.

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For one of those, financial expert James Daley took to the stage with Angela

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to find out how many of you were saving for the future.

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First to join in was Jamie,

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soon to be married and on his stag weekend.

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-Have you planned financially for your future?

-Not really, no.

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-Have you got any kind of pension at all?

-No.

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Why not?! You're taking on the responsibility of a wife!

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I work as a contractor, so...

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-What's that got to do with it?

-I don't have a pension!

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When do you want to retire? What would be a good age - 65?

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-60.

-60! You want to retire at 60. OK.

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How much money would you like to live on every year?

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-30 grand a year, maybe.

-30 grand a year.

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You'll need to start putting £200 a month aside at least,

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probably more like three or 400 if you want to get close to that target.

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-60 is not realistic.

-You look quite pale!

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So, what about the rest of the stag party,

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were they planning for their future?

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-You've got a pension?

-I do.

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Five percent from the company and five percent from me.

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-And was that your idea or theirs?

-It's their fantastic idea!

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-You wouldn't have thought to do it?

-I'm financially savvy now.

-You are!

-You wouldn't know it, but I am!

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But the groom's dad had his own plans for the future.

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-Are you putting anything in?

-No.

-Not a bob.

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How much do you reckon you're going to get when you retire?

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I won't get enough, anyway!

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-That's my son.

-That's your son.

-He might keep me.

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James was keen to stress it's particularly important not to ignore a company pension.

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Have you got a £10 note in your pocket?

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If you give me that tenner, I'll give you this £20 note.

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Would you do that? Get your tenner out.

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James, you're giving away money?

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I'll give him this 20 if he gives me his tenner,

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as long as you put into your pension because that's what work offer you.

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You put in 10 and they put in 20 and then you've got more money in there.

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It's free money, you just don't get it now.

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You get it when you retire.

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Back inside the shop, you kept us very busy

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trying to resolve your consumer troubles.

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Cathy and Thomas called in,

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hoping we could help with a problem they'd had on their last holiday.

0:20:280:20:31

They told travel journalist Simon Calder that their cruise around the Hawaiian islands

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had been sold as a spectacular trip, with exceptional service.

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What did you lay out? Let's just get the groundwork of how much you paid.

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-£2,500 each. £5,000 in total.

-Right.

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For the most part, the trip was fantastic,

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but then at the end, the couple say things went disastrously wrong.

0:20:510:20:55

Two days before the cruise ended, they started to renovate the ship.

0:20:550:21:00

They had workmen on board, they had drilling,

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they put boards down for the cranes to lift all the machinery.

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So, it's not really the noise,

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-it's the fact that there were areas of the ship you couldn't use?

-The facilities weren't there.

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What a nightmare! It only affected the last two days of your cruise,

0:21:170:21:20

so I would say if they offered you, between you, £400,

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that would be about right.

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-Tell me how much they offered you.

-£200.

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Unhappy with this offer, Cathy sent the money back

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with a letter, asking how she could take the complaint further.

0:21:340:21:37

She was dismayed when the travel company said

0:21:370:21:40

she would have to contact the holiday organisation ABTA,

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who charge to look at such complaints.

0:21:430:21:45

They wanted us to pay out more money, £108, to go to arbitration.

0:21:450:21:50

They're absolutely right, ABTA, the arbitration service, cost £108.

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However, there is an alternative, which is a bit cheaper.

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If you go to Money Claims Online,

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it'll cost you £35, I believe, to make that claim.

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But make it clear that you are reasonable people, you just want to get something back.

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By the way, only settle for real money.

0:22:090:22:12

Don't settle for vouchers.

0:22:120:22:14

Before Cathy and Thomas left,

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Simon had one last piece of advice for anybody in a similar position.

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Don't get mad, get even! OK?

0:22:200:22:23

Don't say, "This is the worst service I've ever received,

0:22:230:22:26

"the worst holiday we've been on, and we're never, ever going to travel with you again"

0:22:260:22:30

give them a chance to make amends,

0:22:300:22:32

to give you some proper money back for your disappointment

0:22:320:22:36

and then decide where to spend it.

0:22:360:22:39

Cathy and Thomas took Simon's advice

0:22:400:22:42

and we're pleased to tell you that the holiday company did then pay up £500 in total,

0:22:420:22:48

so Cathy and Thomas are really pleased they came to see us.

0:22:480:22:52

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, the company that's taken hundreds of pounds

0:22:550:23:00

for a once-in-a-lifetime experience they haven't delivered.

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I feel really disappointed

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that the whole experience just never happened.

0:23:050:23:09

Britain's been labelled a nation of shopkeepers,

0:23:090:23:12

but these days, in the age of the internet,

0:23:120:23:15

you don't even need physical premises to run a shop.

0:23:150:23:18

You can do it all from the comfort of your own home.

0:23:180:23:20

It's the opportunities offered by that

0:23:200:23:23

that led to dozens of you signing up with a company

0:23:230:23:26

that seemed to offer the perfect package -

0:23:260:23:28

be your own boss, work from home and earn decent money into the bargain.

0:23:280:23:34

The only thing not to like, according to some of you,

0:23:340:23:37

is how things actually turned out.

0:23:370:23:40

These people thought they'd found a way to run a flexible

0:23:440:23:47

but, more importantly, profitable business from their own home.

0:23:470:23:51

After all, that's what they were promised.

0:23:510:23:54

Each of them bought a unique online shop

0:23:540:23:57

from a company called "YourOwnStore".

0:23:570:24:00

They say they were told they could earn thousands of pounds a year,

0:24:000:24:03

but that's not how things have worked out.

0:24:030:24:06

I've had it two years and I was told I would earn in excess of £25,000.

0:24:060:24:11

All I have earned is £44.96.

0:24:110:24:14

I was told I would earn £57,670.

0:24:140:24:18

I haven't made a penny yet.

0:24:180:24:20

Everyone who's contacted us about YourOwnStore

0:24:200:24:23

says the return they expected simply hasn't materialised.

0:24:230:24:26

You can see why they found the idea so appealing.

0:24:260:24:29

These online stores have none of the hassles of a shop built with bricks and mortar.

0:24:290:24:34

They don't need storage space or even physical stock.

0:24:340:24:37

Instead, the way they work is by listing goods on sale

0:24:370:24:41

at lots of other online shops on their own websites, called affiliates.

0:24:410:24:46

So if a shopper likes the look of something on your site,

0:24:460:24:48

with one click, they'll be directed to the actual retailer

0:24:480:24:52

and in return, you get paid commission.

0:24:520:24:55

It's called affiliate marketing

0:24:550:24:58

and the man behind YourOwnStore makes big promises about how effective it is.

0:24:580:25:03

Hello, I'm Jason West

0:25:030:25:05

and I'm the managing director of YourOwnStore.

0:25:050:25:07

We've made our websites very, very focused.

0:25:070:25:10

All of them are ready to make money.

0:25:100:25:13

Stephen West bought a virtual shop from YourOwnStore in April last year.

0:25:140:25:19

The store, which cost £5,400,

0:25:190:25:21

was aimed at people looking to rent a holiday home in Devon.

0:25:210:25:25

They could search available properties on his site

0:25:250:25:28

and he'd make a commission every time one was booked.

0:25:280:25:31

The package looks so clean and sharp and professional.

0:25:310:25:34

A lot of work had gone into it, or appeared to have gone into it,

0:25:340:25:38

and, yes, I plunged into it.

0:25:380:25:40

YourOwnStore made grand predictions

0:25:400:25:43

of how many customers could visit the site

0:25:430:25:46

and how much commission Stephen could earn as a result.

0:25:460:25:49

They were claiming it was likely you could make £47,000 a year.

0:25:490:25:54

I wasn't naive to think I would make £47,000 a year in the first year,

0:25:540:25:58

but I thought - I paid £5,400 for my site -

0:25:580:26:02

that I would at least be able

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to recover that outlay in, say, the first 12 months

0:26:050:26:08

and then after that, to be able to make a reasonable income.

0:26:080:26:12

But Stephen very quickly realised

0:26:120:26:14

that the site was making almost nothing at all.

0:26:140:26:17

As he tried to find out why, he claims he was surprised to discover

0:26:170:26:21

many of the cottages he was advertising weren't even available.

0:26:210:26:24

Some of the products that had been put onto my website by YourOwnStore

0:26:240:26:30

had already been booked for the forthcoming year and beyond,

0:26:300:26:33

so there was absolutely no way I was going to sell anything or make any commission

0:26:330:26:38

because there was no product to sell.

0:26:380:26:40

There was another problem, too. The success of a website like this

0:26:400:26:45

can depend on how easy it is to find on internet search engines.

0:26:450:26:49

Stephen realised that when people were looking online for holiday cottages to rent,

0:26:490:26:54

his site wasn't showing anywhere near the top of the results

0:26:540:26:57

so he'd be unlikely to make any money.

0:26:570:27:00

YourOwnStore's sales pitch

0:27:000:27:03

makes a big deal of the support they offer to their customers,

0:27:030:27:06

but for Stephen, that didn't make any difference.

0:27:060:27:10

I was constantly on the phone to them,

0:27:100:27:12

but it still didn't bring any traffic to my website,

0:27:120:27:16

it still didn't bring any sales to my website or commission.

0:27:160:27:19

It didn't matter what I did, it made no difference.

0:27:190:27:22

After a year, Stephen has made a grand total of £81.53,

0:27:220:27:28

a long way from the £47,000 a year

0:27:280:27:31

he says YourOwnStore had encouraged him to expect.

0:27:310:27:34

I wouldn't like to see anybody else go down the same route that I went through

0:27:340:27:40

and lose a lot of money as a result of it,

0:27:400:27:42

and waste an awful lot of valuable time on something that doesn't work.

0:27:420:27:47

But, unfortunately, that's exactly what has happened to plenty more of you.

0:27:470:27:52

Ying To from Ipswich hoped to give up the Chinese takeaway he's run for five years

0:27:530:27:59

and make money from behind a virtual counter.

0:27:590:28:01

So in 2011, he invested nearly £5,000 in a YourOwnStore website,

0:28:010:28:07

selling weight-loss products.

0:28:070:28:09

Ying says he was told he could potentially make up to ten times that amount in a year.

0:28:090:28:14

I thought, hopefully, if it worked,

0:28:140:28:16

I could spend more time with my family

0:28:160:28:19

and have maybe a few more holidays.

0:28:190:28:22

But Ying claims he found himself

0:28:220:28:25

having to dedicate up to eight hours a day to his website,

0:28:250:28:28

again, with very little reward.

0:28:280:28:30

And, like Stephen, he was surprised his site wasn't ranking higher on internet search engines,

0:28:300:28:36

with the result that customers were almost non-existent.

0:28:360:28:39

He, too, looked for help and went back to YourOwnStore,

0:28:390:28:42

even paying them an extra £1,341

0:28:420:28:46

for a service supposed to optimise his place in the listings.

0:28:460:28:51

They said it would take six months to get high rankings.

0:28:510:28:54

But after six months, erm, nothing's changed.

0:28:540:28:58

It was the same as the start.

0:28:580:29:01

In total, Rip-Off Britain has heard from 15 people

0:29:010:29:04

who bought sites from YourOwnStore,

0:29:040:29:06

all of whom feel they were mis-sold them by the company.

0:29:060:29:10

So, were they ever likely to make the money they were told?

0:29:100:29:13

This expert thinks not.

0:29:130:29:16

YourOwnStore seems to be selling you the opportunity to make an income

0:29:160:29:19

with very little time and very little technical knowledge.

0:29:190:29:23

But the reality is, when you're competing against much larger companies,

0:29:230:29:27

I don't see how it's possible to walk away from this nowadays

0:29:270:29:30

with anything more than pocket money.

0:29:300:29:32

Many of these unhappy customers have decided to come together to take on YourOwnStore.

0:29:340:29:39

Their battle is headed by Lionel Jouet,

0:29:390:29:42

who invested £4,900 in a photography accessory website

0:29:420:29:46

that YourOwnStore told him could earn more than £57,000.

0:29:460:29:52

I did work for six months on a full-time basis,

0:29:520:29:55

trying to create contents and get traffic into my website.

0:29:550:30:00

The company had numerous training videos,

0:30:000:30:04

which I followed all of them

0:30:040:30:06

and implemented what they said.

0:30:060:30:10

In the first six months, I've made zero commission.

0:30:100:30:13

None of the group has earned more than £100 in commission over a one-year period.

0:30:130:30:18

The group attempted to take legal action,

0:30:180:30:21

but the company denied any liability and was defending the claim.

0:30:210:30:24

Ultimately, it was struck out because the case wasn't properly prepared

0:30:240:30:28

and Lionel was ordered to pay YourOwnStore's costs.

0:30:280:30:31

He is, however, still determined to go it alone through the courts.

0:30:310:30:35

The people that made those acquisitions

0:30:350:30:39

potentially put all their savings and their life into this investment

0:30:390:30:43

and, in a sense, they lost pretty much everything.

0:30:430:30:48

I am 100 percent motivated

0:30:480:30:51

to fight for justice.

0:30:510:30:53

But YourOwnStore boss Jason West

0:30:530:30:55

rejects what these unhappy customers say. He told us...

0:30:550:31:00

..some of which are out of their control

0:31:080:31:10

and reliant on third-party companies.

0:31:100:31:13

The earnings predicted...

0:31:130:31:15

He stressed these complainants...

0:31:240:31:26

..and he disputes what Lionel says about the effort put into his site, claiming he is...

0:31:320:31:37

..and that he has shaped other complainants...

0:31:380:31:41

..resulting in many of them giving up their businesses...

0:31:430:31:46

He also claims Lionel was offered, but turned down, a full refund,

0:31:500:31:54

although Lionel insists he was offered only the chance to resell the company,

0:31:540:31:59

which he didn't want to do as the business wasn't a success.

0:31:590:32:03

But he and the other people we've spoken to

0:32:040:32:07

now bitterly regret ever buying one of the company's sites.

0:32:070:32:11

I feel that I'm a victim.

0:32:110:32:13

I feel that this company lied to people.

0:32:130:32:19

I'm so angry because it's really affected my life.

0:32:190:32:23

I went into it hook, line and sinker

0:32:230:32:26

and, yes, I-I feel like I was done over.

0:32:260:32:30

We've put together a free booklet of tips and advice

0:32:340:32:37

to help safeguard your hard-earned cash.

0:32:370:32:39

You can download it from our website...

0:32:390:32:41

For a hard copy, just send a stamped, self-addressed A5 envelope

0:32:440:32:49

to the address that we'll give you at the end.

0:32:490:32:51

You'll also find on our website

0:32:510:32:53

lots more information on the topics that we're tackling,

0:32:530:32:56

with plenty of tips on how to save money

0:32:560:32:59

and avoid being caught out.

0:32:590:33:02

I'm sure you know the feeling - you want to buy somebody a present but you can't think what.

0:33:020:33:06

Well, an increasingly popular choice of gift in recent times

0:33:060:33:09

has been not a physical present, but an experience day,

0:33:090:33:13

giving you that once-in-a-lifetime chance to try something you've always dreamt of doing,

0:33:130:33:17

such as going up in a hot-air balloon or driving a racing car round a track.

0:33:170:33:22

After buying one particular day out, quite a few of you have written to us to say

0:33:220:33:26

that the only experience you've ended up with

0:33:260:33:29

is the feeling of being totally let down.

0:33:290:33:32

The thrill of racing on a track is something that most of us only get

0:33:340:33:38

from watching the action on TV or from the crowd.

0:33:380:33:42

Many companies now offer the chance to experience it for yourself,

0:33:420:33:46

marketing an adrenaline-fuelled day out that's now a popular gift,

0:33:460:33:49

and one that gives people like Darren Carter

0:33:490:33:52

the chance to fulfil a boyhood dream.

0:33:520:33:54

Ever since I was a child, I was into my cars.

0:33:540:33:58

It's something I've always loved. I've loved speed most of my life

0:33:580:34:02

and I used to watch Formula 1 and Rallycross on TV.

0:34:020:34:06

I'd heard about a track-day experience,

0:34:060:34:09

but never got round to buying it myself, so it's something I've always wanted to do.

0:34:090:34:14

Darren was delighted when, in 2010,

0:34:140:34:17

his wife Emma bought him a driving experience

0:34:170:34:20

from a company called Livit Experiences, or Livit X for short.

0:34:200:34:25

I was out Christmas shopping

0:34:260:34:29

and I saw this big Lamborghini, and they were selling this driving experience

0:34:290:34:34

so I went and had a chat with them.

0:34:340:34:36

They were really nice to speak to and seemed very informative about the whole day.

0:34:360:34:41

For just £80, Darren would have the chance of a lifetime

0:34:410:34:45

to get behind the wheel of a supercar

0:34:450:34:47

and drive it round a track in the Midlands.

0:34:470:34:50

Emma was given a voucher for the experience, valid for the next 12 months.

0:34:500:34:54

Almost as soon as she handed it over,

0:34:540:34:56

an excited Darren set about booking a date for the following June

0:34:560:35:00

and he wanted to make sure that son Jack had a day to remember, as well.

0:35:000:35:05

I gave them a call and asked them if they could accommodate Jack,

0:35:060:35:10

possibly send him around in a Ferrari, as well,

0:35:100:35:13

as an extra present for his birthday,

0:35:130:35:17

so they agreed to do that.

0:35:170:35:19

Jack was really, really excited about this experience, too.

0:35:190:35:24

It was going to be a birthday treat for him.

0:35:240:35:27

We were going to buy the videos and, you know,

0:35:270:35:29

make a real day out for him, as well.

0:35:290:35:33

Promising "driving days tailored just for you",

0:35:330:35:36

Livit Experiences' website also declares...

0:35:360:35:38

They say, "You only live once so live the dream."

0:35:450:35:49

Sadly, a dream is all that Darren's and Jack's driving experience has turned out to be,

0:35:490:35:55

because Livit X sent the family an email with some bad news.

0:35:550:35:59

We received an email saying that that date would have to be cancelled

0:35:590:36:04

due to problems with the track.

0:36:040:36:07

Parts of the track were breaking up so it wasn't safe,

0:36:070:36:11

so they asked us to book again and give them another date.

0:36:110:36:16

We decided to book late August,

0:36:160:36:19

hoping that we'd still get the weather.

0:36:190:36:21

We were disappointed that Jack's birthday wasn't going to be incorporated into the day,

0:36:210:36:25

but we'd still take him along.

0:36:250:36:28

But luck wasn't on Darren's side.

0:36:290:36:32

Livit Experience soon contacted the family again

0:36:320:36:34

to say that they would have to cancel the second booking.

0:36:340:36:37

The family rebooked a third date for late September, 2011.

0:36:370:36:41

Ten days before that was supposed to happen - you've guessed it -

0:36:410:36:45

the company cancelled again.

0:36:450:36:48

Livit X now said it was because they were building a brand-new experience centre,

0:36:480:36:52

but Darren wasn't convinced.

0:36:520:36:56

After that, we started to doubt whether this was going to happen at all.

0:36:560:37:01

We then decided to ask for a refund

0:37:010:37:05

because they didn't deliver on what they promised.

0:37:050:37:08

That was refused, due to the fact that they said the offer was still there for another date.

0:37:080:37:14

I did then ask for another date, which they weren't forthcoming with another one.

0:37:140:37:18

Darren persisted, calling repeatedly to either book another date or get a refund,

0:37:180:37:23

but he got neither.

0:37:230:37:25

A quick look online reveals plenty of other people

0:37:250:37:28

apparently in exactly the same position.

0:37:280:37:31

All of them had booked a driving package with Livit Experiences,

0:37:310:37:34

but despite handing over the money seem no closer to actually getting behind the wheel.

0:37:340:37:40

It's now nearly three years since Emma paid for her husband's once-in-a-lifetime experience,

0:37:400:37:45

but despite repeated attempts to arrange the date,

0:37:450:37:47

they still haven't had their day out or indeed their money back.

0:37:470:37:52

Eventually, Livit Experiences stopped answering the phone

0:37:520:37:55

and all the couple got was a recorded message.

0:37:550:37:59

We got that message, too, after calling to see what would happen

0:37:590:38:02

if we tried to book a driving session with Livit Experiences.

0:38:020:38:06

"Welcome to Livit Experiences. Livit Experiences are now closed.

0:38:060:38:13

"Please contact us via our website."

0:38:130:38:16

As instructed, we went to the company's very professional-looking website,

0:38:170:38:21

which was still offering their experience days.

0:38:210:38:24

However, a week later when we tried to book one, the website was down.

0:38:240:38:28

Still posing as a customer, we emailed the company instead.

0:38:280:38:31

We then got an automatic reply saying the offices were now closed.

0:38:310:38:36

An hour later, they emailed to say they're not holding events this year.

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So next we came clean, told them we were from Rip-Off Britain

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and asked how they explained the fact that after waiting years,

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Darren and Emma still haven't had the experience they paid for.

0:38:480:38:51

Livit Experiences told us that at the time Emma bought the voucher, they were...

0:38:530:38:58

When that didn't go to plan, they extended customers' vouchers into 2012,

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planning events at a venue which they used successfully before, with...

0:39:090:39:13

They say they did hold very successful events in spring

0:39:150:39:18

but had to cancel the rest, first due to heavy rainfall,

0:39:180:39:21

that meant speeds would have to be limited and...

0:39:210:39:24

..and then because of...

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They tell us they refunded a number of customers

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and stopped functioning as a company as soon as they had cleared the backlog.

0:39:340:39:38

Although the website was only taken down later,

0:39:380:39:41

they stress the payment system had been disabled.

0:39:410:39:43

As for why Emma and Darren didn't get a refund,

0:39:430:39:46

the company say the couple appear to have slipped through the system

0:39:460:39:50

as they can't find their email records,

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but they promise that they will refund the money.

0:39:520:39:55

However, the couple still feel short-changed

0:39:550:39:57

after buying a voucher that's proved as good as useless.

0:39:570:40:00

As far as they're concerned, they've been strung along with promises

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that came to absolutely nothing.

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I feel really disappointed that the whole experience just never happened.

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You know, I feel upset for Darren and my children

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because it was going to be a full day out for them, as well.

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We were all really excited.

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Emma feels like she's let me down and it wasn't her fault at all.

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So it's just been, overall, a real bad experience with them.

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Here at Rip-Off Britain, we are always keen to hear more of your stories.

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We're particularly interested in ones to do with food for a new series next year.

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Confused by all the different labels on the supermarket shelves?

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Worried that products described as healthy

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may be nothing of the kind?

0:40:550:40:57

Whatever's worrying you about the things we put on our plates,

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you can write to us at...

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Or send us an email to...

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The Rip-Off Team is ready and waiting to investigate your stories.

0:41:170:41:22

There you have it. As you've seen in some of our stories today,

0:41:240:41:27

when you don't get what you expected for your money,

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one explanation can simply be that a company has run into trouble

0:41:300:41:34

or even gone out of business.

0:41:340:41:36

Without that crystal ball, that's not something you can necessarily see coming,

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-but there are things you can still do to protect yourself.

-There certainly are!

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As we've said before, the very best advice

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is to use a credit card when paying for goods or services,

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particularly if you're spending a lot of money.

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That way, if the very worst happens and you end up with nothing,

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at least you should be able to get your money back.

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With that word of advice, we've run out of time for today.

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We'll be back, looking into more of your stories so do keep them coming.

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Who knows, it may be yours that we investigate next time.

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Until then, from all of us on the team,

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-thanks for watching and bye-bye.

-Bye.

-Bye.

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