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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
You've told us about the companies that you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
It's my money and it's not right for anyone to rip you off. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
I don't understand how they get hold of my information. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
and investigate the extra charges you'd say are unfair. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
You don't get compensated, it takes a long time to get things done | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
and nobody cares. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
In the end, I told him no because I knew it was a scam. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
And when you've lost out but no-one else is to blame, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip off or a genuine mistake, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
we're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Your stories, your money, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
this is Rip Off Britain. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip Off Britain, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
the programme that's here to investigate what's gone wrong | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
if you have been left out of pocket | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
by the companies with whom you've been dealing. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Which I have to say has happened in spades with those people | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
whose stories we're going to be looking into today. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Some of them, one way or another, are down thousands of pounds, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
and all due to the actions not of themselves, but of other people. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Which, of course, absolutely should not be the case | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
when you've handed over your cash in all good faith. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
So, as we try to get to the bottom of what's gone on, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
we'll be hoping to establish which of these situations were just | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
an unfortunate mistake and which of them were deliberate. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Because, as you're about to see, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
it's pretty clear we've got examples of both. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Coming up, thousands of pounds in unpaid rent | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
and the extraordinary reason why the letting agent | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
really should have known what was going on. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Well, I was destroyed | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
because I realised that he was deliberating deceiving me. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
And car clocking. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Why when fraudsters target newer cars, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
it's easier for them to get away with it. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
Oh, I was absolutely distraught | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
and I was absolutely shocked to hear that. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
I just felt ripped off and totally scammed. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Now, here's a really shocking story | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
that's cost the woman at the heart of it | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
not just thousands of pounds, but ultimately her home. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
And none of it, by the way, through any fault of her own. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
She had a house that she needed to rent out | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
while she was working abroad. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
And, like many property owners, she was worried about what sort | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
of tenant they might end up with, so she decided to appoint | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
a letting agent to sort everything out on her behalf. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
But I'm afraid things went terribly wrong in a way | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
that she never could have expected. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
And believe me, this story has a twist that you won't see coming. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
The woman I'm about to meet lives in this rented flat in Chelmsford. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
And the reason she can't live in the house she bought in Epping | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
is every bit as extraordinary as the situations | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
she's faced in her career. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
-Imelda. -Hi! -How are you? Very nice to see you. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Imelda Salajan is a campaigner, aid worker and journalist, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
and in the past she's done work for the BBC. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
But whether she's been in former conflict zones like Bosnia | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
or training reporters in places such as Hungary and Romania, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
she's spent most of her working life overseas, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
whilst still retaining a home back in the UK. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
So how important was it for you to know that you had a base in England? | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
I bought my home because I wanted to have a family, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
and that was my whole passion, was to make sure that when | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
I did want to come back home with the family, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
that I had a home, but I, of course, had to rent it out | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
because I had a big mortgage | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
and that mortgage had to be paid through the rental. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
For years, the house Imelda owned in Epping was rented out | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
by a reliable letting agent. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
But in October 2010, she decided to switch to a different one - | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Essex Lettings, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
not to be confused with other companies of a similar name. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Its website advertised a unique and tailored service, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
led by company director Stuart Clark. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
And I had him for a year and he was fine | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
and during that year, everything went smoothly. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
I got proper papers with, you know, the tenancy agreement | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
all written up, the money went into my account every month. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
So he was an agent, and, as any letting agent should perform... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
So you're abroad and, as far as you're concerned at this stage, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
-everything's tickety-boo? -Absolutely. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
In January 2012, Stuart Clark found a new tenant for the house. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
Imelda was in Indonesia at the time, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
so she was very happy to let him do all the usual checks. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
After all, that's what she was paying for. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
So, with everything in order, the new tenant moved in later that month. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
But her rent payments seemed very unpredictable, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
and by early June, when she should have paid five months' rent, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
she actually had only paid two. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
So Imelda asked Stuart Clark what was going on. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
He said, "Oh, don't worry, she's had a bit of a problem at the office | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
"but we've had a meeting with her | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
"and she's going to definitely pay you. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
"In fact, she's just given me a cheque, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
"so I'll put that into your account now. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
"And she will put extra in for the next few months." | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
And so I was confident. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:13 | |
As promised, that payment did clear, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
and another came a month later, but the tenant didn't pay anything | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
towards the three months she'd missed. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Still in Indonesia, Imelda asked Essex Lettings to investigate, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
and again she was reassured that everything would be fine. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
But just a few weeks later, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
a neighbour passed on some unexpected news. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
It seemed Imelda's letting agent had a connection to the new tenant | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
and somehow he had neglected to mention that. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
And he knew her rather well. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
In fact, she was his wife. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
And then the bombshell dropped. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Well, yes, to discover that this was actually his wife that was | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
living in there, that it was his children and his pets. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
He was always around with his family in my home. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
-How did you react? -Well, I was destroyed because I realised | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
that he was deliberately deceiving me and that he wasn't paying me. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Imelda was 7,000 miles away and unsure what to do next. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
She decided not to reveal what she knew about who was living | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
in the house until she could get definite proof. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Instead, she repeatedly e-mailed and called Essex Lettings | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
about the unpaid rent. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
I felt very vulnerable, very weak, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
I didn't think I had a very strong chance | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
of being able to get my rent back. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
By September 2012, when Imelda came back to the UK to see her family, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:42 | |
she'd still only received rent for four out of the nine months | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
that Stuart Clark's wife had been living in her house. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
So she told the letting agent that she wanted to visit. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
He put her off, saying the tenant just wouldn't be around. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
But she was determined not to let it drop, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and so Imelda decided to visit the agency's office. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
I went with my sister who's actually a lawyer | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
and we sat in his office, we didn't tell him that we knew it was him, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
because I realised that I hadn't got any paperwork. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
He hadn't given me any tenancy agreements, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
he hadn't given me all the things | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
that he was supposed to have given me. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
In that meeting, Stuart Clark reassured Imelda that the tenant | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
was trying to pay her rent, and that leaving him to chase | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
the payments would be much easier than taking action herself. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
He kept saying to me, "Well, you know, in this country | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
"if you take something to the civil courts it takes months, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
"and, you know, even if we went now, it would take months." | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
So, he was still trying to show that she would be a good tenant | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
and that I would be wasting my money trying to get it into court. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
Following the meeting, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
Imelda e-mailed Stuart Clark asking him AGAIN to chase the tenant | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
for the unpaid rent. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
She also complained about the way Essex Lettings had managed her house | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
and told him if she didn't get answers | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
she would take legal action against the company. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
But she didn't get those answers, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
although by now she had been given the paperwork | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
that she should have seen right at the start of the tenancy. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
A month later, her tenant moved out, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
at which point Imelda discovered final demands | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and debt collection letters for unpaid utility bills | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
and council tax in the tenant's name. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
And there were even two letters addressed to Stuart Clark himself. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Now, work demands meant Imelda had to fly back to Indonesia, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
but decided that next time she was in the UK, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
she would reveal what she'd discovered to Stuart Clark. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
So, when you finally confronted him, did he deny it? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
No, he just said he wasn't prepared to discuss anything with me, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
that he had lawyers and he would be speaking to them | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
and that he had nothing to say on the issue. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
So he wouldn't discuss it at all? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
Not at all, not at all, he wouldn't, and I tried to say to him, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
"Well, what about thinking about paying me for those months? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
"Surely this is a very important time for you to resolve this problem | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
"and not let it go to court." | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
And he said, "I'm going to talk to my lawyer | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
"and I'm not going to discuss anything with you." | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
Imelda did plan to start legal action, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
but all her plans had to be put on hold, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
when, after a routine examination, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
she was diagnosed with advanced cancer. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
So she moved back to the UK for good, had two major operations | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
and she's still being treated with chemotherapy and radiotherapy. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
On top of everything else, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
having lost what she believes is more than £5,000 in unpaid rent, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
Imelda couldn't keep up the mortgage payments on the house | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
and eventually had to make the difficult decision to sell it. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
That was going to be my home, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
that was always somewhere that I would come back to, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and this was me coming back from Indonesia, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
that was my plan, to move there. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
With Essex Lettings no longer trading, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
it seems that there's little Imelda can do to try and get her money back | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
beyond attempting court action. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
When we contacted Stuart Clark, he told us that although he regrets | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
NOT telling Imelda of his relationship to her tenant, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
there are "no rules or laws" requiring him to do so. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
And in any case it "played no part in the unintentional events | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
"that occurred." | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
Events which could and do happen "with any tenant." | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
He said that he and his wife were separated at the time | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
and when she took out the tenancy, she "passed referencing checks" | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
and all procedures were followed | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
"in exactly the same way as for any other customer." | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
His wife then fell into arrears, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
but he disputes the amount of rent that Imelda says she's owed. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
And he maintains that he used the | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
"best, fastest and most cost effective way" | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
of resolving the problem for Imelda | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
in moving his wife out of the property. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
He also stressed that the tenancy agreement was between | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Imelda - the landlord - and his wife - the tenant. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Essex Lettings was simply the agent, and, as such, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
he has no liability for the terms of the agreement not being fulfilled. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
And although he says he did help cover some of the rent payments | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
from his own pocket | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
and later sorted out the outstanding bills, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
he points out that "legal redress" is still an option for Imelda | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
to try and reclaim the money. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
Imelda had chosen the agency | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
because it had a presence on her local high street, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
but now she wants to make sure anyone considering letting out a property | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
thinks very carefully about who they choose to help them do it. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
I'm very upset. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
This programme is a chance to do something positive | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
with what is a very negative thing for me. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
What's happened to me has been horrible | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
and I don't want it to happen to anybody else. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Now, some transactions are always going to feel a little bit risky, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
especially if you're buying something from a person or business | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
you don't know and you're doing it online. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Worse still if you're buying second-hand | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
and you haven't been able to check out the goods in person | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
before you hand over your money. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
So when the seller suggests that there's a way to protect your cash | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
until you're sure you're happy, it sounds like a no-brainer. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
But, sadly, it's often a scam, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
and one that could leave you thousands of pounds out of pocket. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Don and Lyn Dodson swapped their native South Africa | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
for Hampshire in 2000. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
They run a factory that makes South African meat products | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
like biltong dried meat. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
6.1 kilo. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
And with business going well, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
they decided it was about time they got round to replacing the old car | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
they'd bought just after moving to the UK. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
We were getting to an age | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
where we felt we could spoil ourselves a little | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
and get something a little bigger. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Because we love travelling around the UK, we thought that would be nice. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
The couple looked at a few local dealerships, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
but couldn't find what they wanted within their budget, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
so Lyn turned to classified website Gumtree, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
where she spotted an ad for just what they were after. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
The price was what we were looking at | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
and it seemed to be a good model and had low mileage, et cetera. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
We got a response via Gumtree's e-mail system from the seller, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
who then said that the car was available. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
He, however, was in Germany on business. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
The seller told Don that even though he wasn't in the country, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
he wanted to make sure the couple were happy with the car | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
before they paid him for it, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
and he suggested a way for that to happen, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
thanks to a safe buying scheme he said was offered | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
not by Gumtree itself, but by the company that owns it, eBay. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
Because we would be transferring the money into an eBay account, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
we could feel secure in the knowledge that the money would be held by eBay | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
until such times as the transaction had been completed. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
eBay do offer a service called Money Back Guarantee, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
formerly called eBay Buyer Protection, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
but it doesn't work in the way that Don and Lyn were told it did. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
It protects most transactions on eBay itself from fraud, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
but it doesn't apply to sites other than eBay. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Even if it did, it doesn't cover quite a number of purchases, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
including car sales. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
Unfortunately, Don and Lyn didn't see any need | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
to check what they'd been told. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Reassured that their purchase would be protected, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
they confirmed to the seller that they wanted to go ahead. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
He said, I will be contacted by eBay, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
they will send you an invoice under their buyer protection programme, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
and once you follow the directions on that invoice, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
the money will be paid into the eBay bank account | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
and would be held until such time as the transaction was complete | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
and the vehicle was received by you. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Don did receive what he presumed were official e-mails from eBay, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
just as the seller had said would happen. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
So, feeling confident everything was fine, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
the couple transferred the cash to what they believed | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
was a secure holding account. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
But Don started to get worried | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
when it became hard to pin down a delivery date. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
He said that he was busy and he was on business | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
and then after a very short period of time, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
he just didn't communicate, didn't respond any more, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
so that's when obviously it was quite clear that the car wasn't coming. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
Though obviously dismayed, Don and Lyn didn't immediately panic. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
After all, as far as they were aware, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
their money was safe in that protected account. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
But when they went back to their bank to arrange | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
for it to be transferred back to them, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
they discovered to their horror that no such account existed. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
They said that there wasn't much they could do, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
because they had just done what I had asked them to do, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
which was to transfer the money to a bank account. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Don and Lyn had fallen for a scam. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
They'd simply paid their money into a regular bank account, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
not a protected one at all, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
and there was no way they could get it back. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
It's the most awful feeling, the pit in your stomach, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
that you've lost, actually. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
We knew we'd lost £4,800 then and there, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and as much as we were hoping that we would be able to get it back, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
I think we both knew that our chances now were nil. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
You basically have to look in the mirror and say, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
"I've been stupid, I've been duped," | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
-and it's not easy to live with initially. -No, not at all. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Over the past year, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
we've received more than a dozen e-mails and letters | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
from people who've not only fallen for the same thing, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
but, like Don and Lyndsey, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
they'd been taken in on Gumtree, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
a website that's effectively an online version | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
of the classified ads in your local paper | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
and, as such, won't be able to help you if something goes wrong. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
Technology expert David McClelland says | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
when you're shopping on a classified site, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
you need to be especially cautious. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Classified services are merely there to put the buyer and the seller | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
in touch with one another. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
There's no guarantee, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
there's no facilitation of the financial transaction | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
that goes along with that, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
so, really, you're on your own at that point. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
So, if any seller you've found on Gumtree suggests a purchase | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
comes with buyer protection, you can usually assume they're lying. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
As soon as you start to scratch below the surface, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
you find that in fact it is a bogus money transfer, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
and your funds will not be safe after all | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
and it's incredibly difficult to try and recover those funds. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
Gumtree is no stranger to fraud. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
In fact, the National Fraud Intelligence Bureau | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
estimates that 249 cyber-crime reports every week | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
are linked to the site. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
Despite that, the company told us it doesn't intend to introduce | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
a buyer protection scheme like its parent, eBay. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Gumtree aren't planning on introducing buyer protection. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
That's because we're a classified site, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and it doesn't fit with our business model. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
We don't provide the protections that eBay do, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
because they're not appropriate when you are meeting face to face | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
and inspecting the item yourself. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
eBay is a very successful business in its own right | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
and if people want the service that eBay provide, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
we recommend that they use eBay. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Gumtree says the best protection when using the site | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
is to meet sellers face to face, so you'll know what you're getting. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
We always recommend that people meet face to face | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
to complete their transactions. That way, you can inspect the item. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
We don't recommend that people send money for items | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
that they haven't seen to sellers that they haven't met. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
When Don and Lyn realised what had happened, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
they asked Gumtree for help, reported the scam to the police, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and asked both their bank and the bank the money had been paid into | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
whether there was anything at all they could do to get it back. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Unfortunately, there wasn't. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
It was a very significant amount of money to us, and still is. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
I felt really ill, to the point of wanting to be sick, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
because it's just the most awful feeling. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
In hindsight, I would never do it again, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
but, in hindsight, all the warning signs were there. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
But these fraudsters are very clever. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Still to come on Rip Off Britain - | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
how hundreds of people who signed up to learn new skills | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
have ended up without what was paid for. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
The whole thing was a complete sham. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
They're taking money and they're not providing the correct training | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
and there was no comeback. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
For one weekend only, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
we opened up the doors of our Rip Off Britain pop up shop | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
in the West Midlands. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
-Hi, I'm Julia. -Nice to meet you. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Outside the shop, we had a packed schedule of workshops | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
full of tips and advice | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
on an extraordinary range of consumer subjects, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
and holiday journalist Alison Rice had some shocking facts | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
on the medical costs you could end up having to pay | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
if you have an accident abroad | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
and don't have the right travel insurance. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
To go home from Australia on a stretcher with a medical escort | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
-costs between £15,000 and £20,000. -Oh, is that all(?) | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
A sprained ankle in Greece could possibly cost you £500. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
Double check and double check that you've got the right policy | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
for your holiday and that you're well and truly covered. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
We also set up our gripe corner, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
where you came to have a good old-fashioned rant | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
about the things that get your goat. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
At the moment, I think food prices in Britain | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
are way too high and I think we're all being ripped off. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
I pay so much for my phone bill. I just think it's an absolute rip off. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I find travel insurance a massive rip off. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
I get really annoyed. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
My husband and I are over 65 | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
and, because of that, we have to pay triple what most people have to pay. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
After being a customer with the same energy company for over 50 years, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
Janet Worton was shocked when she began receiving bills | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
from an another energy company, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
saying she owed them nearly £2,000! | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Financial expert Sarah Pennells was ready | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
with some urgently needed advice. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Since 2011, we've had bills from this energy company, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
which we don't belong to. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
We have had the same energy company for 57 years | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
since we've been in the house and the last few years | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
we've been bothered by this company sending bills and, at the moment, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
we are up to £1,700 in debt for what? We have had nothing from them. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
We've been to the police about being threatened with the bailiffs. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
That didn't cure it. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
We've had this company read the meter twice | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and every time they read it - | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
"Oh, it's a different number on your meter to the one on my energy bill," | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
-so what can I do? -I have to say, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
it is not the first time I have heard a story like this, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
and I think this is something that the energy companies | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
really need to get a seriously grip on, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
cos what seems to have happened | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
is they've got a record of your meter number, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
which isn't the correct one, so they are sending bills to your address, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
but it's not actually for any energy you have been using. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
What I suggest is a couple of things. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Firstly, I suggest that you contact the energy ombudsman, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
a free-to-use complaints scheme, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
because if they think the company hasn't behaved as they should, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
they may be able to get you compensation. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
I also suggest you ring the company yourself, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and basically say, I'm not going to get off the phone | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
until you speak to somebody in the chief executive's office or | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
in their complaints resolution team. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
And make a note of the calls you've already made, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
and tell them exactly what you've done - that may work. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
You won't speak to the chief executive, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
but they quite often have a team that deals with complaints | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
where they've not been sorted out earlier. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
And those are my two suggestions, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
but I have to confess, I'm rather horrified. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
I'm really annoyed. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
You give me the details of the ombudsman, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
I'll get on to it right away. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
If you're happy, I don't mind taking your details and | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
ringing them direct myself and just seeing if I can shake | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
them up a bit and make them do something, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
because for you to try and take them on for three years, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
I just think it's a bit shocking. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
So hopefully you'll get some resolution and get it sorted out. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Hopefully. Keep everything crossed. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
For the millions of people who buy a second-hand car every year, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
one of the biggest fears has always been that it might | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
have been clocked - in other words, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
that someone has fiddled with the mileage to make it look | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
as if it hasn't travelled quite so far as it really has. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Now these days there's a simple, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
free online check that should mean it's possible to find out | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
whether or not the mileage being claimed for a vehicle is correct. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
But unfortunately, it seems there is a very big loophole with that, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
and it's one which fraudsters have been very quick to exploit. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
It's a trick that's been around for decades. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
But when the old analogue gauge in cars, the odometer, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
gave way to more hi tech digital counters, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
and even on-board computers, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
adjusting the mileage to make a vehicle more attractive | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
to buyers looked like it would become a thing of the past. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
But, as Sohail Ashraf from Dagenham discovered, it hasn't. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
Sohail was after an economical car for his commute to work. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
And after searching online, he seemed to have found a real bargain. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
It was a hybrid car priced at £7,500, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
but what really sold it to him was the vehicle's age. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
If a car is less than three years old, basically you've got | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
peace of mind - at least | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
the parts would still be covered under the manufacturer's warranty, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
so if anything goes wrong at least you can go back to the manufacturer. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Sohail contacted the seller to arrange a viewing. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
And upon seeing the car, although it was clear it needed a wash, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
he couldn't spot anything he needed to worry about. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
Apart from being dirty, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
the car looked completely all right from outside and inside. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I examined the engine as well - it started fine. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Sohail bought the car on the spot. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
But it was only when he got it home | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
and gave it a much-needed wash that he realised that the mud | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
had been hiding something - a chipped windscreen. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Believing his new car was still under warranty, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Sohail contacted the manufacturer to see if they would replace the glass. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
The response he got wasn't what he was expecting for a car that | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
was still less than three years old. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
I had a call from the manufacturer telling me that the car | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
cannot be repaired under the warranty. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
First of all, he confirmed from me, "What's the mileage?" | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
I said, "54,000 miles." | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
He said, "No, we have got a different mileage on our system." | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Sohail was stunned. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
The manufacturer's records showed the car had | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
done 126,000 miles at its last service. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
That was at least 72,000 miles more than it said on the clock. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
And the car's total mileage was so high that the warranty was now void. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
Oh, I was absolutely distraught | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
and I was absolutely shocked to hear that. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
And I said, "Oh, probably I have lost my money." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
Sohail started to delve deeper into the detail of his car's past life. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
The logbook said that the vehicle had previously been | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
owned by a company, so he wrote to them to ask for help. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
But when they replied, the bad news just got worse. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I had a reply from them stating that in March 2013 they sold | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
the car to a salvage agent, at 173,000 miles. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
And we have contacted the salvage agent which has come back to us | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
stating that they had just done some repair work to the car after that, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
and sold it to a private seller. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
It wasn't clear whether the salvage agent or the seller that | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
Sohail ultimately bought the car from had reset the mileage. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
But, either way, it meant that the car Sohail had paid £7,400 for | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
had done an incredible 100,000 miles more than what showed on the clock, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
and as a result was worth a lot less - | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
somewhere between just £3,000 and £5,000. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
So, at this stage I tried to contact the seller. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
I tried to phone him up, he won't pick up my phone calls. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
I tried to text him and he won't reply to my text. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
The second-hand car business is worth £38 billion a year, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
and a good chunk of that is made by unscrupulous sellers fiddling | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
the mileage figures so they can get the highest price they can. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
One in 20 cars in the UK has done more miles than it actually | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
says on the clock. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
But now that most cars have hi tech electronics, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
how is it possible for that to be done? | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Manufacturers introduced electronics in a big way in cars | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and the electronic mileage is displayed on the speedometer. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
And that, you would think, is more difficult to alter, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
but in practice all you have to do is access the car's computers. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
That gives villains access - they can alter the mileage with | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
a bit of kit which is frankly widely available for £150/£200. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
It's not illegal to alter the mileage on the car, and people | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
take advantage of this by selling them as mileage correction tools. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Because the excuse here is, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
"Oh, well, sometimes speedometers go wrong, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
"you might have to replace the dashboard, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
"and therefore you need to reset the mileage to what it should be." | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Frankly, this is nonsense. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
Very occasionally that will be justified, but nowhere | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
near the numbers that these adverts would lead you to suggest. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Although it's not illegal to alter the mileage of a car, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
it is against the law to sell one | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
with a mileage you know to be incorrect. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
But if you suspect a car's mileage is wrong, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
there is one potential free check that you can do. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
It's on the Government's Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency website, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
and that could catch out the clockers. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
If the car is over three years old, try looking for details | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
of the vehicle's last MOT. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
If the recorded mileage is higher than the one shown on the clock, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
alarm bells should start ringing. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Go to that website, put in the number off the MOT certificate, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
or the VIN number of the car, and check the MOT history. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
No reasonable seller will deny you access to those documents, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
so if they do, be suspicious. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
But, unfortunately, for hundreds of thousands | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
of second-hand car buyers who want a vehicle | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
which is less than three years old, that won't be the solution. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
A vehicle below that age, like Sohail's, doesn't need to | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
have had an MOT, which means its mileage can't be so easily checked. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
And that makes them especially attractive to fraudsters. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Clockers tend to target cars before they've had their first MOT, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
so they're just under three years old. Typically, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
a large company will turn over its fleet of cars | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
once every three years, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
the villains will buy those from an auction or somewhere, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
clock the car, take several tens of thousands of miles off it, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
put several thousand onto the value | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
and sell it on to the unsuspecting customer. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
It's estimated that clocked vehicles add £580 million | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
a year to the cost of second-hand cars - | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
not just because you might have paid over the odds | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
for a car that's not worth it, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
but also thanks to the extra repairs you'll face | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
as a result of the wear and tear of those additional miles. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
And Sohail has already been hit by plenty of those extra costs. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
I just felt absolutely ripped off and totally scammed. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
There are other ways to try and suss out if a car has been clocked, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
whatever its age. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
Several websites offer a vehicle data check service. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
For a fee, these sites will run a check on the documented history | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
of a car to find out if it's ever been clocked, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
as well as if it's been stolen, written-off | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
or has outstanding finance on it. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Also, an extra-careful look around the vehicle to see if its | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
condition matches its stated age and mileage is always worthwhile. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
If it's supposed to have done 30,000 miles | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
but the bonnet is covered in stone chips, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
that's a sign that it's probably done a higher mileage. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
And also, be suspicious of something | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
where it's a brand-new gleaming bonnet, you know, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
that might have been repainted to cover lots of stone chips. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
If the driver's seat seems very tired and saggy, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
it's a good sign that it's done a high mileage. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Have a look at the pedal rubbers - | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
again, do they look unduly worn for the mileage that's been stated? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
Or be suspicious if they look absolutely brand-spanking new | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
because they can be replaced. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:23 | |
Just make sure you take some pretty obvious | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
and straightforward steps without having to be an expert about cars, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
and do that before you part with any money. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
But that's advice which has come too late for Sohail, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
whose attempts to buy a car which is economical was anything but. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I had no idea at all whatsoever | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
before this that car clocking can be done. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
The whole idea was to save the money, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
and this is the opposite case. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
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In each case, big sums of money were paid in order for them | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
to get a qualification that, in some cases, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
they urgently needed to continue in their job. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
They'd signed up with a business that promised | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
the highest industry standards, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
but it's clear that is not what they got. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Cottingham, in the East Riding of Yorkshire, | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
is home to Daniel Taylor, who is a mature student at Hull University. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
He is juggling a degree in geography with his daytime | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
work in information technology. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Today I'm off to see a customer who has got a problem with a computer. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
There is not much that Daniel doesn't know about computers. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
-Hello, how are you? -Hi. -How you doing? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
But to improve his business prospects, he decided to study for | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
a National Vocational Qualification, more commonly known as an NVQ. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
I suspect it is the RAM. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
Finding a course, though, was no easy task. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
The further education sector is big business, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
with around 3,400 companies offering courses across England alone. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
It is loading fine, I have fixed the sound problem as well. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
After searching online, Daniel found exactly the course | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
he was looking for, an NVQ Assessor Certificate for IT and customer | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
services, and it was with this company based in Warwickshire. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
It is called Bright International Training Ltd, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
but trades as Bright Assessing, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
not to be confused with other companies with similar names. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
At the time, the company billed themselves as, "The UK's | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
"leading training provider." | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
Their website boasted a remarkable list of credentials and endorsements. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
There's lots of professional people standing around, doctors | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
and nurses, builders, that kind of thing. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
'I'm a good chef. But when I got laid off, it knocked my confidence. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
'And then a friend told me about Bright Assessing.' | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
They've got business awards, local and national. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
-It all looks very professional. -So, in February 2013, Daniel signed up. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:41 | |
And he quickly set to work completing the study modules | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
and sending in assignments to be marked. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
The course cost him over £1,100, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
but as an investment in his future he thought it was definitely worth it. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
There were some companies offering to do it cheaper, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
but I thought with Bright's quick turnaround | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
and all their great endorsements that they would be | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
an excellent training provider for what I needed. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Over the next few months, Daniel worked day | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
and night to fit his coursework around his day job in IT. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
But he started to get worried that Bright Assessing might not | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
be the professional organisation he believed it to be. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
There were several lost e-mails, there was a little bit of lost work, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
and the notes that were part of the evidence for my portfolio | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
were just generic standard notes that they looked like they had | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
sent out 1,000 times and just changed the names. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
So I did begin to wonder at this point that maybe there may be | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
something wrong. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Daniel continued with his course, but when all his work went missing, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
his concerns became much more serious. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
His qualification never arrived, and after months of waiting... | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
'We are sorry, the user you're calling is currently unavailable. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
'Please call again later.' | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
..I'm afraid he still couldn't get through to anyone at the company. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
At this point, I had already completed, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
but by the time we got to February this year, I had still not got | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
a certificate or any acknowledgement even that I had finished the course. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
Daniel's NVQ certificate was to be awarded by a government accredited | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
body called the Northern Council for Further Education, or NCFE. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
And as Daniel was experiencing his problems, NCFE was also hearing | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
from others that all was not as it should be with Bright Assessing. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
We first became concerned about Bright Assessing | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
when we were contacted by a number of learners. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
The learners were telling us there were issues with the teaching | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
and the service they were receiving, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
so we took that and we launched an investigation into Bright. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
The focus of the investigation | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
wasn't into courses like Daniel's, which he had paid for himself. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Instead, it concentrated on the Bright Assessing training | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
funded by the government's Back To Work scheme, which helps people | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
get qualifications to boost their chance of getting a job. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Over the last two years, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Bright Assessing has been awarded contracts for over £2 million worth | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
of taxpayers' money to be used to | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
train unemployed job-seekers in this way. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
But the NCFE's investigation raised serious concerns that things | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
were not going well. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
What we found when we conducted the investigation was that the | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
teaching quality wasn't of the standard required, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Bright had not registered many learners with us, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
so NCFE wouldn't be aware those learners were on the programme. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
We found that assessors' signatures had been falsified, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
and ultimately that certificates were being wrongly, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
but knowingly wrongly, issued. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Faced with so much evidence of apparent malpractice, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
NCFE, along with other similar bodies elsewhere in the country, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
totally withdrew their accreditation of Bright Assessing. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
This is the worst case of malpractice that we have | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
come across in seven years that I have been at NCFE. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
We fully suspended Bright and stopped working with them. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
But unfortunately, all this had serious repercussions for many of | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
the students who had already gained qualifications with Bright Assessing. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
We, throughout our investigation, have revoked 225 certificates, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
and as far as I'm concerned that is 225 too many. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
That has left a lot of people in a really terrible position | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
and we are very saddened and disappointed. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
If they come forward to NCFE and contact us, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
we will try and find the right place for them to go and try | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
and get reassessed and ultimately get their qualification. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
In total, over 1,400 students have lost out with Bright Assessing, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
and, like Daniel, they have been left in limbo. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
I have completed an accredited course at an approved centre | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
in a regulated industry, and I have been left with no money, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
no qualification. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
Daniel is now trying to go through the Small Claims Court to get | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
back the £1,100 he paid out to Bright Assessing. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
But even if he succeeds, he has lost the best part of a year | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
studying with nothing to show for it at the end. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
This kind of thing could happen again tomorrow. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
There are just no safeguards in place to ensure that people's | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
money is protected. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
When we contacted Bright Assessing, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
they rejected the criticisms made against them | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
and blamed the entire situation on what they call | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
"inconsistent and inadequate external moderation by the NCFE". | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
They point out that, prior to the damning investigation, they had | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
been rated "good" or "excellent" by the NCFE on 20 previous occasions, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
some of which were "just four months previously | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
"and for the same learners." | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
On hearing the NCFE's findings, they commissioned their own | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
independent audit, and found that there was "no endemic situation". | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
"The allegations of forgery were false," | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
and while "the quality of the Back To Work course was | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
"not as good as it could be," that was because | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
"NCFE had not properly supported Bright as a centre". | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
As to why some learners hadn't been registered, they insisted | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
there was "no rule or requirement" | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
for that to happen until students have completed their course, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
and that this had never been questioned before. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
They then went on to blame NCFE for causing a backlog in registering | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
and certificating learners, and for withdrawing certificates | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
that they are adamant were issued correctly, although they did accept | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
that some had been done wrongly thanks to "a simple admin error". | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
And they accused Daniel | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
and others of waging a campaign against the company on social media. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
Whatever has gone on, it is | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
clear an awful lot of people have seriously lost out because of it. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
But as far as the NCFE is concerned, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
if you have been thinking of starting a distance learning course to | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
improve your job prospects, none of this should put you off. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
People thinking about distance learning can be assured | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
that the system works as a whole | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
and that awarding organisations like ours are around to help | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
and support in terms of pointing them | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
in the direction of organisations that will deliver training for them. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
It is a rarity to have cases of this magnitude of malpractice. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
Even so, Daniel remains bitterly disappointed, and just can't | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
understand how a situation like this was able to happen. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
The whole thing is a complete sham. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
They are taking money and they are not providing the correct training, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
and there was no comeback. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
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more of your stories. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
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Unsure what to do when you discover you have lost out | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
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Although the fallout from the stories | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
we have heard today has been far reaching | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
and in some cases disastrous, the good news is | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
that there are still very few companies that deliberately | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
set out to make a hash of things or to mislead their customers. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Which is just as well, because if they are determined to do that, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
it can be almost impossible to spot | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
their intentions before they rip you off. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
So, in the end, if that happens, it really can feel like the odds | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
are stacked against you as you try to sort the whole thing out. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
But while you're not always able to put things right after | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
the event, we do hope that we have given you some pointers on how | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
to avoid getting caught out like this in the first place. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
I'm afraid that is where we have to leave you today. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
We will be back with more of your stories very soon | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
but until then, from all of us and the team, bye-bye. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
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