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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
If you're paying for good service | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
you expect a good service and a good product whatever it may be. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
At the end of the day, we expect value for money. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
The wool's being pulled over our eyes. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
I don't think we get a fair price. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
I think they should always put the customer first. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
-And no-one could sort that out for you over ten years? -No-one has. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
So whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake, we're here | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
to find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where, as ever, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
we're armed with the very best advice to make sure | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
that you don't end up losing your hard-earned cash, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
and particularly not to any of the fraudsters | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
coming up in the programme | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
with ever more audacious ways to trick you out of your money. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Today we're going to be exposing some of the very latest scams | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
you've told us about. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
All the ones we're going to be looking at are very different, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
but they do have one thing in common - a really plausible story | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
to draw you in but which turns out to be a complete pack of lies. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
Usually, of course, the truth sadly comes way too late, which is why | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
the people who've contacted us have ended up being taken in, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
but what's truly frightening about some of their stories | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
is that the situations in which they find themselves could | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
very easily happen to you as well, so today we've got | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
everything you need to know to avoid being caught out in the same way. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
Coming up, the elaborate con | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
that saw this woman tricked into thinking she was working | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
for the police, pursuing the very fraudsters who were after her cash. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
I mean, as silly as it sounds, I'm quite into the undercover, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
because he used that term so many times - | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
"Now, don't forget you're working undercover." | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Which sounds ridiculous, but... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
I was being reeled in. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
And thinking of replacing your wheels? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
How scammers exploit the most trusted names | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
to trick you out of your savings. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
I started to feel panicked. "I can't have just lost £7,000." | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
Well, I guess that these days most of us know to be very suspicious | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
if we get a phone call out of the blue from somebody | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
who wants to discuss our finances, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
which is why the people who are behind such calls continue | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
to come up with ever more inventive ways just to keep you on the line. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
And when it comes to scam phone calls, well, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
the fraudsters making those have unfortunately become | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
especially ingenious at making their lies appear totally believable. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Over the past couple of years we've reported several times | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
on scams that rely on fraudsters keeping open the phone line | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
when you think that it's been hung up. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
But now there's a new twist - | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
one that's leaving a lot of people out of pocket. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
I never cease to be amazed at the really convincing stories | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
that criminals come up with | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
to ensure that they can part us from our hard-earned cash, and really, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
if it wasn't for women like the person that I'm about to meet, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
who are prepared to share their experiences with us, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
we wouldn't be able to be on our guard | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and ensure that exactly the same thing does not happen to us. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
-Valerie? -Hello! -Hi, I'm Angela. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-Good to see you. -Come in. -Thank you. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
-Come in. -Thanks. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
'Valerie is a very busy professional.' | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
What a lovely, spacious kitchen you've got here. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
'And she's long been aware | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
'of the ways in which scammers can target us in our own homes.' | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
I'd look on the internet because that gives you up-to-date scams | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
and just generally speaking to people and just general awareness. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
So Valerie was immediately on her guard when in June of 2015 | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
she received, out of the blue, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
exactly the sort of phone call that would set her alarm bells ringing. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
The man on the end of the line claimed to be a police officer. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
This guy is saying that he's a serious fraud officer | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
and they were working with the bank and that... | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
could I confirm whether I'd been in London the previous day | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
because an amount of £1,200 had been taken out, spent at the Apple Store? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
So I said, "No, no, I wasn't in London, that's absolutely not me." | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
And he said, "Well, you will need to phone your bank | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
"and get your card stopped," | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
so I immediately thought, "I've heard about this on your programme | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
"and that they stay connected," so I said, "Yes, OK". | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
-So you immediately thought this might be a scam? -Yes, yes, I did. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Valerie had seen our previous reports on so-called vishing cases, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
where scammers cold-call homes, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
typically pretending to be from your bank, warning | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
of suspicious activity on your card. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
In order to trick you into thinking they are genuine, they'll suggest | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
that you call them back, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
usually by ringing the number on the back of your card, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
but if you don't wait the recommended five or so minutes | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
after putting the phone down, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
the phone line to the scammer doesn't disconnect, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
meaning when you think you're making a new call to your bank, you're not. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
You're actually discussing your personal account details | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
with the same scammers who made the original call. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Knowing this, Valerie did not immediately call her bank, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
but the so-called police officer was one step ahead and rang HER back. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
He said, "Have you phoned your bank yet?" | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
So I said, "No, I haven't," | 0:05:51 | 0:05:52 | |
and I said, "By the way, I need your police ID number and your name." | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
He gave me that. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
So Valerie's next call was to check him out with the police, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
but that was when she made an unfortunate but crucial mistake | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
because this time, in the heat of the moment, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
she didn't hang up long enough for the line to clear, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
so when Valerie dialled 999, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
the scammers were still on the line, and of course, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
they reassured her that she had been talking to a bona fide officer. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
"It's perfectly OK to speak to him, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
"he is the fraud squad, Charing Cross." | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Now satisfied that the original caller was, as he said, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
a police officer, Valerie next called her bank, Barclays, to say | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
that her account had apparently been involved in fraudulent activity. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
But again, she didn't wait long enough before dialling out. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
And you were convinced at that point you were talking to Barclays? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Yes. Yes, I was. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
But she wasn't. The person supposedly at the bank told Valerie | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
that to be in a stronger position to get her money back, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
she'd need to help the police with their inquiries, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
and shortly afterwards, the so-called DC Daniel Roberts rang | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
again with the first stage of his plan to get her to do exactly that. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
First, he wanted her to move money from her savings | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
to the more easily accessible current account. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
He asked me to go and look up my internet banking. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
He's not giving me a second, and then he's asking about my other accounts. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
I said, "Well, I have an ISA account." | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
He said, "Well, can you transfer that into your current account?" | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
"But why would I want to do that?" He says, "Well, we do need you | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
"to use your money today but it will be totally safe." | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
And that is when things got really audacious. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Valerie unwittingly found herself at the centre of an extraordinary con | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
that sounds like something | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
straight out of the pages of a crime thriller, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
because rather than simply try and talk her into handing over her cash, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
over the next five hours and throughout dozens of phone calls, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
now mainly on her mobile, the scammers persuaded Valerie | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
that she was taking part in an undercover police operation | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
to trap a whole gang of crooks that they said | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
were using her card details to shop at Selfridges in London. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
I did put myself in a very vulnerable situation | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
but I wasn't thinking that at the time. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
And though she thought that being asked to transfer her own money | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
between accounts was rather odd, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
she assumed that it must be an essential part of the police's plan | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
to bring down the very criminal gang | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
that she was being told had attempted to scam her bank account. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
He's on the phone again immediately. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
He's then telling me that this gang are working in London | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
and that several elderly people had really lost a lot of money and that | 0:08:41 | 0:08:47 | |
almost £500,000 had been scammed. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Realising that he had hooked her, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
the scammer moved on to the next phase of his plan. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
At that point he said, "We need you to make a purchase in London." | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
But you need a second to process that thought and he wasn't giving me that. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
-So he was railroading you with information... -Yes. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
-..with questions... -Yes, yes. -..all of the time, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-not giving you time to stop and think. -Not giving me a minute. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Valerie was being asked to transfer £33,000 of her savings | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
into her current account. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
She was told that the money would help at the crucial moment | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
when the criminal gang would be caught in the act, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
but because it was such a large sum of money, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
Valerie had to go physically to her bank to transfer it in person. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
The crook even had the gall to caution her to be careful | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
because somebody in her own bank | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
could be working with the criminal gang that she was being asked | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
to help to bring down. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
He said, "Don't forget, somebody in the bank is in cahoots with this. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
"If somebody asks you what you're going to do with the money, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
"you need to have an answer," | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
he said, "and I want you to observe the bankers there." | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
During all of this, still posing as the police, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
the scammers were constantly on the phone, chasing her progress. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
After transferring the money to her current account, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
they convinced Valerie to take a taxi and travel over an hour | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
to Selfridges in London. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
She was told that the gang was about to try and use her card details | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
to purchase a Rolex watch, so she needed to be there at the same time | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
to prove to the sales staff | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
that the other person was using her card fraudulently. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
By now, Valerie was tired, worried and upset, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
but she was determined to see it through. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Were you sort of quite excited at this point? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Well, I'm thinking we're going to get them. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I mean, as silly as it sounds, I'm quite into the undercover, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
because he used that term so many times - | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
"Now, don't forget you're working undercover." | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Which sounds ridiculous, but... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
I was being reeled in. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
You can find out later how the drama unfolded, and how the true nature | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
of the scam was revealed, as Valerie arrived at Selfridges. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
I was feeling very vulnerable, very frightened, because | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
I'm in the store, I'm in London, my family don't know where I am. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
And we hear from the police how people across the UK are | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
falling victim to scams like this, and the effect that can have. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
Absolutely devastating, the loss of considerable amounts of money, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
and in some cases I've known, it's people's life savings. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
As you know, buying a car isn't always easy, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
and it certainly isn't always cheap either. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Forking out for new wheels, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
which many Brits do every five years or so, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
is right up there amongst the biggest purchases we'll ever make, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
even if we're buying second-hand. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
And while that old stereotype of the dodgy used-car salesman | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
is increasingly a thing of the past, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I'm afraid that doesn't mean you won't still get caught out, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
because an increasing number of cars are now bought and sold online, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
which makes the internet a particularly fruitful hunting ground | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
for the scammers determined to get their hands on your money, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
and here's a very common way they go about it. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
Car-buying scams cost British consumers | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
around £3 million every year, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
and for many of the people who are tricked out of their cash, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
there's a particularly bitter sting in the tail. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
They've lost out after responding to ads on websites | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
of some of the best-known and most reputable names in the business. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Like other people who got in touch with us, Essex-based Kayleigh Beard | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
and her husband Daniel fell foul of a fraudulent ad - | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
in their case, one which was published on the AutoTrader website. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
They wanted to expand their childcare business | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
and needed a new van. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
I put my all into my business. We offer whatever the families need. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
It's interesting, no two days are the same, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
lots of fun, lots of laughter. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Hayley offers a service where they pick up and drop off children | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
during the school runs, so to help their new business grow, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
they wanted to upgrade their current seven-seater vehicle | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
to a bigger nine-seater, with room to accommodate more children, and | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
one of the first places the couple thought of looking was AutoTrader. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
I've trusted AutoTrader, it's been going for years, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
whether it be for looking for a vehicle | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
or adverts to have some work done on a vehicle, it's great. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
The couple found what, to them, seemed to be just what they needed, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
a blue VW Transporter van which was being sold by a company for £6,995, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
which seemed to be a fair price. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
The vehicle looked great. It was exactly what we were after. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
So following the instructions on AutoTrader, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Kayleigh set about contacting the seller via e-mail. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
We started e-mailing to and from for several weeks, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
we asked all the right questions, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
what you're meant to ask about a vehicle. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
The couple did ask to see the van, but were told that they couldn't | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
because it was still in use in the seller's travel company | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
and the owner was away on business. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Having already sold their old van, they were eager to secure | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
the replacement, so Kayleigh bit the bullet and agreed to buy it. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
We received what seemed to be an invoice from PayPal | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
and there was a note on it saying, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
"Due to the high value of the transaction, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
"can you do it as a bank transfer?" | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
Which seemed feasible. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
The invoice looked like it was genuinely sent from PayPal. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
The layout, the wording and the logos all gave that impression, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
so the couple were happy to pay almost £7,000 | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
into the Barclays bank account that was printed on the invoice. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
However, on closer inspection of the e-mail, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
it asked for payments through a bank transfer, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
something that PayPal would never ask you to do. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
In fact, you would only ever receive an e-mail from PayPal | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
if the money was going into a PayPal account, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
but unfortunately, Kayleigh and Daniel only realised that too late, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
immediately after their payment had gone through. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Kayleigh began to fear that | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
this hadn't been the genuine PayPal site after all. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I started to feel panicked. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
"I can't have just lost £7,000." | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Hoping for reassurance, Kayleigh got in touch with PayPal, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
but they only confirmed | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
what she was dreading - that the invoice had in fact been fake. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Kayleigh then contacted her own bank, HSBC, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
but was horrified to discover that not only had she been scammed, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
but because she had willingly transferred the money herself, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
there was nothing the bank could do to help her. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
Kayleigh really had lost £7,000 to a scammer. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
They said, "No, it's gone, there's nothing you can do about it. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
"You might as well have handed them cash." | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Desperate, Kayleigh even tried contacting the seller again | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
to find out exactly what was going on, but to no avail. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
Next she tried writing to the seller's bank, Barclays, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
in the hope that they might help her get her money back, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
but the offer Barclays made was not what she was expecting. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
We received a letter from the bank | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
where the fraudulent account was based, offering us £50.95 | 0:16:06 | 0:16:13 | |
with terms and conditions of acceptance | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
that we were not allowed to open our mouth about it to anybody | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
and that we couldn't pursue our £7,000. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
The couple turned the offer down. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
And now, without a van and nearly £7,000 out of pocket, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
the couple had to take out a £6,500 loan to buy a replacement van. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
I think the person that would do something like this to somebody | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
probably don't even care what they're doing to people | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
as long as they're getting money. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Now, someone else who was caught out the same way | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
is 18-year-old Leicester college student Akshay Limbachia. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
After working two part-time jobs, including nights, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
he finally managed to save up enough cash to buy his first ever car. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
And he soon found just what he wanted | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
on the classified website Gumtree. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
The car I found had good mileage on the clock. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
It was a reasonable age. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Akshay contacted the seller, asking to see the car, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
a 2004 VW Golf priced at £1,150, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
but the seller told him that that wasn't possible | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and instead offered delivery of the car to Akshay's house. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Akshay too was sent an authentic-looking invoice | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
carrying the PayPal logo | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
and requesting a payment of £1,150 | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
by bank transfer to a Barclays account. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
And unfortunately, he transferred the cash. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
I contacted them the next day, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
asking how long it would take to get delivery from them, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
but I didn't get no reply and the account was deleted straight away. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Realising his mistake, Akshay called PayPal, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
at which point he too realised that | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
he'd effectively just handed his money over to the scammers. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
He and Kayleigh have learned too late | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
that just because an ad is on a trusted website, it doesn't mean | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
that the ad itself is trustworthy. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Both AutoTrader and Gumtree, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
the sites where the ads they'd responded to were placed, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
told us they work very hard to combat fraud, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
but they emphasise that consumers should always make sure | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
that they see a vehicle before handing over any cash. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
PayPal also assured us | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
it goes to great lengths to keep its customers safe. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
And the three companies supplied a number of simple precautions | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and security tips to stop you being scammed, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
all of which you can find on our website... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
We also got in touch with Barclays, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
where the fraudulent accounts in both cases were held. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
It told us that it had acted swiftly | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
to investigate and close the account in both cases | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
once inappropriate activity was reported. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
But Barclays had some great news for Kayleigh. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
After we got in touch, it reviewed her case and acknowledged | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
that the bank could have acted sooner in closing the account, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
so they have refunded Kayleigh in full | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
and given her £250 compensation. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
As for Akshay, although Barclays did look again at his case, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
it told us that, unfortunately, by the time the fraud was reported, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
all the money had been withdrawn from the account, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
so sadly he won't be seeing a single penny. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
And with thousands of people every year falling prey to these | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
types of scams, it's more crucial than ever that we truly understand | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
the risks involved whenever we pay for anything using a bank transfer. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
And that advice is reiterated by cybersecurity expert David Emm. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
If in an e-mail or any other form | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
somebody is asking you to give up confidential information | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
like your bank details, like your credit card, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
like passwords, that should immediately be a red flag. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
The PayPals and the eBays of this world are not going to ask you | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
just to give out information, particularly via e-mail. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
All of that is great advice, but sadly too late for Akshay. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
I just hope that people can learn from what happened to me | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
and try and not make the same mistake that I did. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
the jobseekers caught out by a recruitment business | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
that can leave you hundreds of pounds out of pocket. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
The cost was about £212 and it just totally shocked me. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
I was really, really, really upset. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Once again, we're ready to open up our Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
Now, this time, we've come to one of the busiest shopping centres, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
right in the heart of Nottingham. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
For two days only, we've brought our team of experts out on the road | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
so that we can give advice face-to-face. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
And it's absolutely free, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
because we've got a terrific team here that are ready | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
to give you the tools and all the information you need | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
to ensure that the next time you hand over your hard-earned cash, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
you won't be ripped off. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Faye Lord and her dad, Mick, came to see finance expert Sarah Pennells | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
after being caught out by a scammer advertising on eBay. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
They'd bought a voucher for a big-name holiday company, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
but had become suspicious | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
after seeing another very similar listing from the same seller. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Do you mind if I ask, how much did you bid for this card, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
this holiday voucher? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-It was, erm, £1,850. -Wow! -So, obviously... -Almost £2,000. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
It was a massive amount of money to us. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
We decided something wasn't quite right and we thought, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
"This is a lot of money. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
"The best thing to do would be to cancel this transaction | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
"and ask for a refund." | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
The seller agreed to a full refund, but the money never arrived. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
So Faye turned to eBay, who gave the seller a deadline to either | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
pay up or send proof that the voucher had been delivered. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
And the day before that time was up, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
the seller sent an e-mail claiming the voucher had been sent, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
providing a tracking number which they said proved it. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
A day later, we saw this tracking number had been signed for | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-when we checked it online. -So, in other words... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
We'd not received anything at all. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
No card through the door for mis-delivery or anything. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
And no way of tracing whoever | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
-it might have been who'd had the item? -No. No. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
And so the plot thickened | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
when they called at their local sorting office to find out | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
what had gone on. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
We said, "Look, allegedly, this item's been sent to us, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
"but we've not received anything. How can this happen?" | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
And we provided them with the tracking number. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
They said, "Oh, this rings a bell with us, actually. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
"We know about this." A gentleman had come in and said, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
"Ooh, I've got a special delivery item. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
"I'm not expecting anything. This is all very strange." | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
But he handed over the card nevertheless. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
And all there was inside it was a piece of paper that said, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
"Your gift card is enclosed." | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
But there was nothing else inside it. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
It seems rather than sending the voucher, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
the seller has simply sent an empty envelope by recorded delivery | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
to a random address in Nottingham, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
and they'd done so deliberately, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
knowing that they could then demonstrate | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
proof of posting and delivery. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
As a result, eBay told Faye they couldn't refund her money, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
leaving her nearly £2,000 out of pocket. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
The auction site just keeps saying, "The seller's provided evidence | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
"that the item's been delivered to you." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Which is just not true. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
I mean, really, it's down to the online site to reimburse you, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
because you have undoubtedly been the victim of fraud. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
And they have a procedure which says very clearly the terms and conditions | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
you have to meet in order to be covered by it, which you meet. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
It wasn't delivered to your address and it wasn't signed in your name. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
It wasn't even addressed to you. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
The company's quite adamant you haven't got a case. I disagree. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
Erm... I mean, I think this might be one that we need to get involved in. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
-Mention the name Rip-Off Britain and see... -Mention the name. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Give them a bit of a shake and just see whether it changes their mind, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
because I can't see how they are saying you haven't got a case. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Immediately after filming, Sarah contacted eBay herself | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
and the company conducted an investigation | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
using specialist teams in both the US and Europe. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
They concluded that Faye had been the victim of a sophisticated | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
fraudster and have now refunded her the full amount, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
so a great result. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
In the heart of the shopping centre, many of you came to our Gripe Corner | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
to let off steam about all sorts of subjects that really wind you up. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Something that really annoys me | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
is when you go into a supermarket | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
and you only mean to buy one or two things, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
but you get bombarded with a load of offers where things are | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
buy-one-get-one-free or three-for-the-price-of-two, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
and you end up buying about ten more things | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
than you actually needed in the first place. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
I hate being put on hold. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Whenever I phone a company to complain, they always leave me | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
30 to 40 minutes and never offer to phone me back. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
It's my phone bill. It's my money they're wasting. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
It's just not on. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
Earlier in the programme, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
we heard the astonishing story of a very elaborate new scam | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
in which the people behind it will try | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
and trick someone into believing they are going to be working | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
undercover for the police in a rather sophisticated sting | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
to try and catch the fraudsters. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
I met a woman called Valerie who had been involved in exactly this scam | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
and she had been persuaded to move all of her savings | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
into her current account and then take a taxi into London | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
to help the so-called police catch the fraudsters in the act. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Over a period of around five hours, a barrage of phone calls, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
supposedly from the police, had convinced Valerie | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
that her bank account was the target of fraudsters, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
who she could now help to bring to justice. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
After transferring £33,000 into her current account, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
Valerie was instructed to catch a taxi to Selfridges' flagship store, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
where the final act of the drama was to play out. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
The cab arrives, I go out there, get in the cab | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
and no sooner sit down than the phone goes, the mobile. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
So he said, "Are you in the cab?" | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
I said, "Yes, I'm in the cab and I'm on my way to London." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Well, that phone, he kept ringing and ringing and ringing. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
"Where are you now? How long now?" | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
After nearly two hours of frantic phone calls, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
the taxi eventually dropped Valerie outside the famous department store. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
It was only then that Valerie suddenly began to worry | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
that she could be out of her depth. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
I had said to him, "Hang on a minute. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
"Am I safe doing this? You know, if you're putting me | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
"in a situation where I'm going where you know criminals are, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
"how safe am I?" | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
"No," he said. "I'm going to have two plain-clothes police officers. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
"They'll be with you all the way. You'll be absolutely safe." | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
As Valerie takes me through what happened next, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
the extraordinary ingenuity of the scammers becomes clear. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
She was told that the criminal gang was about to buy a Rolex watch | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
using her card details, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
but by purchasing one at the same time with her real card, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
she'd be able to prove they were crooks. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
So, Valerie, you're at the Rolex watch counter in Selfridges. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
What happened? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
At this stage, I was feeling very vulnerable, very frightened, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
because I'm in the store. I'm in London. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
My family don't know where I am. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
The only person that I'm in contact with is this guy | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
that I totally believed was a police officer. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
-And he's still on the phone? -He's still on the phone. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
He directs me. He says, "Now, I want you to go to the watch department." | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
And I said, "I'm starting to feel really wobbly and faint." | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
And he said, "Go, go, go! | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
"They've just taken another £30,000 out of somebody's account. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
"We've got to get them. We're going to get them today. Go!" | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
The scammer remained on the phone the whole time. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
The assistant asked me, "Can I help you?" | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
And I said, "I'm looking to buy a Rolex." | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
And she said, "Do you know what one?" | 0:27:59 | 0:28:00 | |
So I said, "No, I'm not sure." | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
But he's able to hear me and I said, "Well, just a minute then, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
"I'll ask him, cos it's for a friend." | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
And then he gives me a number of a Rolex | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
and I relay it to the assistant | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
and she said, "Oh, yes, it's this one here." | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
And he's now saying in my phone, "You're doing really well, Valerie. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
"It's all going to be over soon. Purchase. Make the purchase." | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
And you were buying a watch that was valued at...? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
£13,000. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
-That's a bit scary in itself, isn't it? -Well, it is. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
It's probably my only opportunity to go and buy a Rolex for £13,000. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
But luckily for Valerie, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
the Selfridges staff could sense that she was on edge | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and what's more, they'd been warned about these kinds of scams | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
involving expensive purchases in department stores just like theirs. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
What was there in your demeanour, do you think, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
that made them think that there was something not quite right? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Because I didn't know what I was buying. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
And also, I'm on the phone to somebody. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
You know, I'm asking them which one it is that they want, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
which is ridiculous. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:05 | |
If I was buying a present, I'd either be selecting | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
what I liked or I'd go there knowing what I was going to buy. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
Fortunately, the vigilance of the store's staff paid off | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
and they intervened to stop the purchase | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
before the scam could escalate any further. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
As for Valerie, she was understandably confused | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
and unsure who she could trust. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
Then I'm aware of two guys coming into the store. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
And one of them leans over and... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
He said something about fraud. So I thought, "Ah, this is my two guys | 0:29:33 | 0:29:39 | |
"under plain clothes and they're the ones that are looking after me." | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
And he said, "You're involved in a scam." | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
-What's going through your head now? -I don't know. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
I'm sat there now and I don't know who's the baddie, who's the goodie. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
I just absolutely do not know who's who now. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
And at that point, then, I did break down for a minute. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
Eventually, genuine police officers turned up | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
and took a very distressed Valerie home. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
They were also looking into similar cases - | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
all of which produced the same perplexing question. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
Why would crooks want someone like Valerie | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
to buy an expensive item, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
like a Rolex watch, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
in the first place? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
DCI Anthony Archibald was the real police officer | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
who took charge of the investigation | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
dubbed "Operation: Edisto." | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
As he explains, the purpose of this scam | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
wasn't to secure Valerie's card details, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
but to persuade her to use them herself | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
on a high-end purchase | 0:30:40 | 0:30:41 | |
that the crooks would, ultimately, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
find a way to get hold of | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
and then sell on. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
What was the point of this scam? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
The ultimate goal for the criminal is that the high-value watch | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
would then get sent out of the country | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
and sell it for a considerable amount of money. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
So, there's a huge profit for | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
what was just a couple of hours' work for a criminal. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
If Valerie's purchase had gone ahead, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
the man on the phone would most likely have given her | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
instructions on what to do with the watch next - | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
which, inevitably, would have meant handing it over to the gang, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
supposedly as police evidence, and losing all her money. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
As it was, she had a lucky escape | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
but others aren't so fortunate. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
You must have seen many instances | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
where people have become the victims of scams. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
What sort of effect does it have on them, do you think? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Absolutely devastating for some people. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
The loss of considerable amounts of money and, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
in some cases, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
people's life savings. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
They are mainly retired professional people | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
who have fallen for a very clever scam | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and they get quite embarrassed | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
and I can fully understand how Valerie, or other victims, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
are taken in by this. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
It wouldn't happen. The police would not put those demands on someone. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Variations of this scam have seen people persuaded | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
to buy other high-value goods, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
including expensive clothes, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
supposedly to help with the police operation. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
And because they've all been bought | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
using the customer's genuine details, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
rather than stolen ones, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
the criminals leave little footprint | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
and, if all goes to plan, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
they can simply melt away with the purchases | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
with no real hope of them ever being brought to justice. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
Has it done a lot of permanent damage | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
and hurt to you, do you think? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
There's a lot of anger in me still. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I was lucky. All he took from me was a day of my time - | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
but other people, they've taken your life savings, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
they've taken your life away | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
and I'm very angry about that. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
That's why I'm prepared to speak up about it. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
Now, in the world of job hunting, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
competition can be fierce | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
and you might have to send your CV out to endless job sites, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
agencies and recruiters | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
before you strike lucky. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
But a word of warning, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
not every company offering work is genuine | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
and their ads may not be for a real job. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
Indeed, instead of trying to help you get more money with a new job, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
they might simply be trying to trick you out of | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
whatever money you've got right now. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
They've not yet met, but these two women have something in common. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
They're among the more than one and a half million people | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
who've used recruitment consultancy | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
in the last year... | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
..and for both Hristina Chowdhry and Halle Fadeyi | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
their job search came with an unexpected and very costly catch. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
The cost is about £212 and it just totally shocked me. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
I was petrified, thinking, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
"Oh, no, all the bills that I've got." | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
In the past few years, both Hristina and Halle | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
have had periods of unemployment, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
spending hours job hunting with little success. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
It was a very stressful time, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
simply because you keep on applying all day long | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
and then, in the end, there is no result. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
When I was searching for jobs, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
and I was unemployed, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
I felt very frustrated, | 0:33:58 | 0:33:59 | |
very distraught... | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
So, both were delighted when they were approached | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
with the news of potential work by a company called... | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Now based in Devon and | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
not to be confused with any companies with a similar name. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
For Hristina, it was just the news she had been hoping for. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
It was a very difficult period | 0:34:19 | 0:34:20 | |
because I'm a single mum | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
and I am looking after my two kids. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
Not having a job, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
it was a strain on myself financially | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
because I need to pay the rent, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
I need to pay the bills and look after the kids. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Hristina wasn't sure how the company had found her CV, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
but the supposed job as a PA | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
with multiple language skills | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
sounded perfect and it came with a good salary. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
I thought, "Great, I'll go for this," | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
and I got excited thinking... | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
I felt confident because it's very easy to go for something | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
that feels like it matches you like a mirror. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Hristina responded straight away | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
and the recruitment firm quickly e-mailed back | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
with an appointment for a telephone interview. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Meanwhile, on the other side of London, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
Halle had been approached by Total Recruitment Consultancy Ltd | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
about an apparent marketing position. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
When they first contacted me, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
obviously, as anyone else would feel, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
you feel, "Oh, wow, there is hope out there and I can find a job." | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
She too swiftly had a telephone interview arranged | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and, at the appointed time, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
rang the number she had been given in the recruitment company's e-mail. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
When Halle finally put the phone down, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
after what she thought was a two-hour job interview, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
she felt really positive. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Rather than it being just an interview, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
it felt like it was a conversation I was having with a friend. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
At the end of the call, I thought, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
"OK, I think this is good | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
"because we was on the phone for a long time." | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
So, it was a positive phone call. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
But when Hristina rang for her supposed job interview, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
the overfamiliar tone | 0:35:57 | 0:35:58 | |
and the attitude of the person at the other end of the phone | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
started to ring alarm bells. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
They seemed unready for the phone call, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
and the way he spoke, it wasn't professional at all. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
So, towards the end, I was more than sure that something is wrong. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
I don't think that it's a genuine phone call that I made. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Hristina's suspicions were soon to be confirmed, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
but Halle, on the other hand, was convinced | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
that her phone interview had been a success | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
and that the job was in the bag. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
When I hung up the phone | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
I just automatically thought I might get a job soon, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
I won't have any money problems, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I would feel more positive. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
That's how they made me feel. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Halle was sent an e-mail | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
confirming she'd made it onto the books of the recruitment consultancy | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
but, after that, neither women ever heard | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
from Total Recruitment Consultancy again - | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
but that wasn't their only concern. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
When Halle received her phone bill the following month, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
she could hardly believe her eyes | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
when she saw how much that two-hour phone interview had cost. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
The call was £212 | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
and it just made me feel so shocked. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
I felt really let down. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
But Hristina, who was immediately suspicious after her phone call, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
found out the truth about her interview | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
straight after she checked with her phone provider | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
and discovered her call had clocked up a hefty £75.89. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
I was really, really, really upset. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
I've got two kids and, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
obviously, I need to pay the bills, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
to pay the rent and everything. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
It was a fortune at the time. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
Both job opportunities had been entirely bogus | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
and the huge costs were because Hristina and Halle | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
had each been lured into calling an "09" premium rate number - | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
costing around £1.44 a minute. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
Although it was unclear from the firm's website, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
and unbeknown, at this stage, to the two women, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
the company doesn't actually offer any jobs at all. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
It provides only job training and advice. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
They want you to call them | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
so that you can do the interview. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
They sound in their initial e-mail | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
that they already know who you are | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
and what you're looking for, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
and they have found the bingo job for you. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
The original e-mail, sent to both women, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
did say, in the small print, that there might be extra charges | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
for the training telephone interview | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
and that there was no guarantee of a job, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
but Hristina and Halle both say that was far from the impression | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
they were given. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
Although the women both remember that there was a brief recorded message | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
at the start of the phone call mentioning additional charges, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
they say that no specific cost was stated | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
and nor was it made clear that they were calling a premium rate number. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
The guidelines around premium rate numbers are very clear. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
For example, the cost of the call must be shown in close proximity | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
to the premium rate number itself in any literature | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
and the purpose of the number | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
must be clearly set out too | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
without being in any way misleading. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
So, just how did this recruitment firm manage to get away with it? | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
Keith Rosser is the chairman of Safer Jobs. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
These days, it is possible to be able to mask | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
a premium rate phone number. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
So, often jobseekers won't actually know that they are calling | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
a premium rate number. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:12 | |
It's absolutely not standard practice that a legitimate, | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
reputable recruiter would contact a jobseeker | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
and ask a jobseeker to call a premium rate number | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
for an interview. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Desperate to get their money back, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
the women did all they could to recover the cash, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
including contacting BT, the police | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
and the regulator PhonepayPlus. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
I remember spending the whole day on the phone | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
reporting the case, being told, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
"It's your word against them. It has to be investigated. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
"You have to pay the bill first." | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Halle, too, reported the case to the authorities | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
and their persistence paid off. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Complaints from both women were submitted as evidence to a tribunal | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
investigating Total Recruitment Consultancy. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
The company was found to be in serious breach | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
of the rules and regulations | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
and the owners were ordered to refund customers. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
But for Halle, there was a final sting in the tail. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
I received a cheque, finally, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
so, obviously, that made me feel like, "This is finally over." | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
However... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
the cheque bounced back. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
We tried to contact Total Recruitment Consultancy | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
but they didn't respond to our letters or e-mails. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Although this particular company's website is no longer active, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
it seems recruitment scams like this one | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
are a growing problem. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Anybody can be targeted with a job scam | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
just by having a profile | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
or CV out there, online. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
So, if you're looking for work, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
Keith has some sound advice to help you steer clear of the scammers. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
Don't phone the organisation for the interview, but have them phone you. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Check it is a genuine job. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
Never part with money. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
Never do everything online. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
Choose reputable recruiters. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
'But there has at least been some good news for Hristina and Halle. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
'Both have now landed full-time, permanent jobs.' | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
more of your stories. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
Confused over your bills | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
or feel you're paying well over the odds? | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
It is too small and it's done on purpose | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
so that you can't actually read it. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
People will look at it and they'll say, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:31 | |
"I can't be bothered reading that." | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
and that great deal has ended up costing you money? | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
People are buying into this. I did. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
Are they going to be as awkward with them as they were with me? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
You might have a cautionary tale of your own | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
and want to share the mistakes you made with us | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
so that other people don't do the same thing. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
Just fobbed off completely | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
and, you know, very disappointed. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Or you can send us an e-mail to... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
to investigate your stories. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Time and time again, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
we hear from people who say that they would never fall for scams | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
like the really nasty ones that we've been hearing about today - | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
but I'm afraid the reality is that, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
whether the yarn that you're spun | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
involves a potential job offer, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
fake e-mails or even the claim that | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
you're going to be working undercover for the police, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
there is a scam out there to catch everyone, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
with more cynical and inventive ones cropping up all the time. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
And it doesn't really matter whether you lose a small amount | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
or an absolute fortune, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
the effects of the worst scams | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
can leave you picking up the pieces for months or even years afterwards, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
which is why we're so grateful that all the people we met today | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
have been prepared to share their stories with us. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
And quite extraordinary stories they've been. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
But, you know, it's only because they have told us their experiences | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
that the rest of us know exactly what to watch out for. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
So that, if we're targeted the same way, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
we don't end up handing over any money. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
At this point in the programme is | 0:43:12 | 0:43:13 | |
where we have to leave it, I'm afraid, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
but do please tell us about any new scams that you've come across. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
But in the meantime, thank you very much for joining us in the programme | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
-and until next time, from all of us, bye-bye. -Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 |