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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch.

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If you're paying for good service

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you expect a good service and a good product whatever it may be.

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At the end of the day, we expect value for money.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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The wool's being pulled over our eyes.

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I don't think we get a fair price.

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I think they should always put the customer first.

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And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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-And no-one could sort that out for you over ten years?

-No-one has.

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So whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake, we're here

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to find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money.

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This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where, as ever,

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we're armed with the very best advice to make sure

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that you don't end up losing your hard-earned cash,

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and particularly not to any of the fraudsters

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coming up in the programme

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with ever more audacious ways to trick you out of your money.

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Today we're going to be exposing some of the very latest scams

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you've told us about.

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All the ones we're going to be looking at are very different,

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but they do have one thing in common - a really plausible story

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to draw you in but which turns out to be a complete pack of lies.

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Usually, of course, the truth sadly comes way too late, which is why

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the people who've contacted us have ended up being taken in,

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but what's truly frightening about some of their stories

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is that the situations in which they find themselves could

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very easily happen to you as well, so today we've got

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everything you need to know to avoid being caught out in the same way.

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Coming up, the elaborate con

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that saw this woman tricked into thinking she was working

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for the police, pursuing the very fraudsters who were after her cash.

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I mean, as silly as it sounds, I'm quite into the undercover,

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because he used that term so many times -

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"Now, don't forget you're working undercover."

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Which sounds ridiculous, but...

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I was being reeled in.

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And thinking of replacing your wheels?

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How scammers exploit the most trusted names

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to trick you out of your savings.

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I started to feel panicked. "I can't have just lost £7,000."

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Well, I guess that these days most of us know to be very suspicious

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if we get a phone call out of the blue from somebody

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who wants to discuss our finances,

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which is why the people who are behind such calls continue

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to come up with ever more inventive ways just to keep you on the line.

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And when it comes to scam phone calls, well,

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the fraudsters making those have unfortunately become

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especially ingenious at making their lies appear totally believable.

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Over the past couple of years we've reported several times

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on scams that rely on fraudsters keeping open the phone line

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when you think that it's been hung up.

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But now there's a new twist -

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one that's leaving a lot of people out of pocket.

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I never cease to be amazed at the really convincing stories

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that criminals come up with

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to ensure that they can part us from our hard-earned cash, and really,

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if it wasn't for women like the person that I'm about to meet,

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who are prepared to share their experiences with us,

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we wouldn't be able to be on our guard

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and ensure that exactly the same thing does not happen to us.

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-Valerie?

-Hello!

-Hi, I'm Angela.

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-Good to see you.

-Come in.

-Thank you.

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-Come in.

-Thanks.

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'Valerie is a very busy professional.'

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What a lovely, spacious kitchen you've got here.

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'And she's long been aware

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'of the ways in which scammers can target us in our own homes.'

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I'd look on the internet because that gives you up-to-date scams

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and just generally speaking to people and just general awareness.

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So Valerie was immediately on her guard when in June of 2015

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she received, out of the blue,

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exactly the sort of phone call that would set her alarm bells ringing.

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The man on the end of the line claimed to be a police officer.

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This guy is saying that he's a serious fraud officer

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and they were working with the bank and that...

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could I confirm whether I'd been in London the previous day

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because an amount of £1,200 had been taken out, spent at the Apple Store?

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So I said, "No, no, I wasn't in London, that's absolutely not me."

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And he said, "Well, you will need to phone your bank

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"and get your card stopped,"

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so I immediately thought, "I've heard about this on your programme

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"and that they stay connected," so I said, "Yes, OK".

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-So you immediately thought this might be a scam?

-Yes, yes, I did.

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Valerie had seen our previous reports on so-called vishing cases,

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where scammers cold-call homes,

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typically pretending to be from your bank, warning

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of suspicious activity on your card.

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In order to trick you into thinking they are genuine, they'll suggest

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that you call them back,

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usually by ringing the number on the back of your card,

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but if you don't wait the recommended five or so minutes

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after putting the phone down,

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the phone line to the scammer doesn't disconnect,

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meaning when you think you're making a new call to your bank, you're not.

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You're actually discussing your personal account details

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with the same scammers who made the original call.

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Knowing this, Valerie did not immediately call her bank,

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but the so-called police officer was one step ahead and rang HER back.

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He said, "Have you phoned your bank yet?"

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So I said, "No, I haven't,"

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and I said, "By the way, I need your police ID number and your name."

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He gave me that.

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So Valerie's next call was to check him out with the police,

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but that was when she made an unfortunate but crucial mistake

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because this time, in the heat of the moment,

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she didn't hang up long enough for the line to clear,

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so when Valerie dialled 999,

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the scammers were still on the line, and of course,

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they reassured her that she had been talking to a bona fide officer.

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"It's perfectly OK to speak to him,

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"he is the fraud squad, Charing Cross."

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Now satisfied that the original caller was, as he said,

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a police officer, Valerie next called her bank, Barclays, to say

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that her account had apparently been involved in fraudulent activity.

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But again, she didn't wait long enough before dialling out.

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And you were convinced at that point you were talking to Barclays?

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Yes. Yes, I was.

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But she wasn't. The person supposedly at the bank told Valerie

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that to be in a stronger position to get her money back,

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she'd need to help the police with their inquiries,

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and shortly afterwards, the so-called DC Daniel Roberts rang

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again with the first stage of his plan to get her to do exactly that.

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First, he wanted her to move money from her savings

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to the more easily accessible current account.

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He asked me to go and look up my internet banking.

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He's not giving me a second, and then he's asking about my other accounts.

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I said, "Well, I have an ISA account."

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He said, "Well, can you transfer that into your current account?"

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"But why would I want to do that?" He says, "Well, we do need you

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"to use your money today but it will be totally safe."

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And that is when things got really audacious.

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Valerie unwittingly found herself at the centre of an extraordinary con

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that sounds like something

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straight out of the pages of a crime thriller,

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because rather than simply try and talk her into handing over her cash,

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over the next five hours and throughout dozens of phone calls,

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now mainly on her mobile, the scammers persuaded Valerie

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that she was taking part in an undercover police operation

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to trap a whole gang of crooks that they said

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were using her card details to shop at Selfridges in London.

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I did put myself in a very vulnerable situation

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but I wasn't thinking that at the time.

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And though she thought that being asked to transfer her own money

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between accounts was rather odd,

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she assumed that it must be an essential part of the police's plan

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to bring down the very criminal gang

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that she was being told had attempted to scam her bank account.

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He's on the phone again immediately.

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He's then telling me that this gang are working in London

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and that several elderly people had really lost a lot of money and that

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almost £500,000 had been scammed.

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Realising that he had hooked her,

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the scammer moved on to the next phase of his plan.

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At that point he said, "We need you to make a purchase in London."

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But you need a second to process that thought and he wasn't giving me that.

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-So he was railroading you with information...

-Yes.

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-..with questions...

-Yes, yes.

-..all of the time,

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-not giving you time to stop and think.

-Not giving me a minute.

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Valerie was being asked to transfer £33,000 of her savings

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into her current account.

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She was told that the money would help at the crucial moment

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when the criminal gang would be caught in the act,

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but because it was such a large sum of money,

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Valerie had to go physically to her bank to transfer it in person.

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The crook even had the gall to caution her to be careful

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because somebody in her own bank

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could be working with the criminal gang that she was being asked

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to help to bring down.

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He said, "Don't forget, somebody in the bank is in cahoots with this.

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"If somebody asks you what you're going to do with the money,

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"you need to have an answer,"

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he said, "and I want you to observe the bankers there."

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During all of this, still posing as the police,

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the scammers were constantly on the phone, chasing her progress.

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After transferring the money to her current account,

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they convinced Valerie to take a taxi and travel over an hour

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to Selfridges in London.

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She was told that the gang was about to try and use her card details

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to purchase a Rolex watch, so she needed to be there at the same time

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to prove to the sales staff

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that the other person was using her card fraudulently.

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By now, Valerie was tired, worried and upset,

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but she was determined to see it through.

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Were you sort of quite excited at this point?

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Well, I'm thinking we're going to get them.

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I mean, as silly as it sounds, I'm quite into the undercover,

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because he used that term so many times -

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"Now, don't forget you're working undercover."

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Which sounds ridiculous, but...

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I was being reeled in.

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You can find out later how the drama unfolded, and how the true nature

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of the scam was revealed, as Valerie arrived at Selfridges.

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I was feeling very vulnerable, very frightened, because

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I'm in the store, I'm in London, my family don't know where I am.

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And we hear from the police how people across the UK are

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falling victim to scams like this, and the effect that can have.

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Absolutely devastating, the loss of considerable amounts of money,

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and in some cases I've known, it's people's life savings.

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As you know, buying a car isn't always easy,

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and it certainly isn't always cheap either.

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Forking out for new wheels,

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which many Brits do every five years or so,

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is right up there amongst the biggest purchases we'll ever make,

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even if we're buying second-hand.

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And while that old stereotype of the dodgy used-car salesman

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is increasingly a thing of the past,

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I'm afraid that doesn't mean you won't still get caught out,

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because an increasing number of cars are now bought and sold online,

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which makes the internet a particularly fruitful hunting ground

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for the scammers determined to get their hands on your money,

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and here's a very common way they go about it.

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Car-buying scams cost British consumers

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around £3 million every year,

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and for many of the people who are tricked out of their cash,

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there's a particularly bitter sting in the tail.

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They've lost out after responding to ads on websites

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of some of the best-known and most reputable names in the business.

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Like other people who got in touch with us, Essex-based Kayleigh Beard

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and her husband Daniel fell foul of a fraudulent ad -

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in their case, one which was published on the AutoTrader website.

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They wanted to expand their childcare business

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and needed a new van.

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I put my all into my business. We offer whatever the families need.

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It's interesting, no two days are the same,

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lots of fun, lots of laughter.

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Hayley offers a service where they pick up and drop off children

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during the school runs, so to help their new business grow,

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they wanted to upgrade their current seven-seater vehicle

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to a bigger nine-seater, with room to accommodate more children, and

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one of the first places the couple thought of looking was AutoTrader.

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I've trusted AutoTrader, it's been going for years,

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whether it be for looking for a vehicle

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or adverts to have some work done on a vehicle, it's great.

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The couple found what, to them, seemed to be just what they needed,

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a blue VW Transporter van which was being sold by a company for £6,995,

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which seemed to be a fair price.

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The vehicle looked great. It was exactly what we were after.

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So following the instructions on AutoTrader,

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Kayleigh set about contacting the seller via e-mail.

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We started e-mailing to and from for several weeks,

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we asked all the right questions,

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what you're meant to ask about a vehicle.

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The couple did ask to see the van, but were told that they couldn't

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because it was still in use in the seller's travel company

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and the owner was away on business.

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Having already sold their old van, they were eager to secure

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the replacement, so Kayleigh bit the bullet and agreed to buy it.

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We received what seemed to be an invoice from PayPal

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and there was a note on it saying,

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"Due to the high value of the transaction,

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"can you do it as a bank transfer?"

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Which seemed feasible.

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The invoice looked like it was genuinely sent from PayPal.

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The layout, the wording and the logos all gave that impression,

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so the couple were happy to pay almost £7,000

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into the Barclays bank account that was printed on the invoice.

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However, on closer inspection of the e-mail,

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it asked for payments through a bank transfer,

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something that PayPal would never ask you to do.

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In fact, you would only ever receive an e-mail from PayPal

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if the money was going into a PayPal account,

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but unfortunately, Kayleigh and Daniel only realised that too late,

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immediately after their payment had gone through.

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Kayleigh began to fear that

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this hadn't been the genuine PayPal site after all.

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I started to feel panicked.

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"I can't have just lost £7,000."

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Hoping for reassurance, Kayleigh got in touch with PayPal,

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but they only confirmed

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what she was dreading - that the invoice had in fact been fake.

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Kayleigh then contacted her own bank, HSBC,

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but was horrified to discover that not only had she been scammed,

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but because she had willingly transferred the money herself,

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there was nothing the bank could do to help her.

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Kayleigh really had lost £7,000 to a scammer.

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They said, "No, it's gone, there's nothing you can do about it.

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"You might as well have handed them cash."

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Desperate, Kayleigh even tried contacting the seller again

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to find out exactly what was going on, but to no avail.

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Next she tried writing to the seller's bank, Barclays,

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in the hope that they might help her get her money back,

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but the offer Barclays made was not what she was expecting.

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We received a letter from the bank

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where the fraudulent account was based, offering us £50.95

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with terms and conditions of acceptance

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that we were not allowed to open our mouth about it to anybody

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and that we couldn't pursue our £7,000.

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The couple turned the offer down.

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And now, without a van and nearly £7,000 out of pocket,

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the couple had to take out a £6,500 loan to buy a replacement van.

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I think the person that would do something like this to somebody

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probably don't even care what they're doing to people

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as long as they're getting money.

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Now, someone else who was caught out the same way

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is 18-year-old Leicester college student Akshay Limbachia.

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After working two part-time jobs, including nights,

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he finally managed to save up enough cash to buy his first ever car.

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And he soon found just what he wanted

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on the classified website Gumtree.

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The car I found had good mileage on the clock.

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It was a reasonable age.

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Akshay contacted the seller, asking to see the car,

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a 2004 VW Golf priced at £1,150,

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but the seller told him that that wasn't possible

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and instead offered delivery of the car to Akshay's house.

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Akshay too was sent an authentic-looking invoice

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carrying the PayPal logo

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and requesting a payment of £1,150

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by bank transfer to a Barclays account.

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And unfortunately, he transferred the cash.

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I contacted them the next day,

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asking how long it would take to get delivery from them,

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but I didn't get no reply and the account was deleted straight away.

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Realising his mistake, Akshay called PayPal,

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at which point he too realised that

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he'd effectively just handed his money over to the scammers.

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He and Kayleigh have learned too late

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that just because an ad is on a trusted website, it doesn't mean

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that the ad itself is trustworthy.

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Both AutoTrader and Gumtree,

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the sites where the ads they'd responded to were placed,

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told us they work very hard to combat fraud,

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but they emphasise that consumers should always make sure

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that they see a vehicle before handing over any cash.

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PayPal also assured us

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it goes to great lengths to keep its customers safe.

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And the three companies supplied a number of simple precautions

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and security tips to stop you being scammed,

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all of which you can find on our website...

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We also got in touch with Barclays,

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where the fraudulent accounts in both cases were held.

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It told us that it had acted swiftly

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to investigate and close the account in both cases

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once inappropriate activity was reported.

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But Barclays had some great news for Kayleigh.

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After we got in touch, it reviewed her case and acknowledged

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that the bank could have acted sooner in closing the account,

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so they have refunded Kayleigh in full

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and given her £250 compensation.

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As for Akshay, although Barclays did look again at his case,

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it told us that, unfortunately, by the time the fraud was reported,

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all the money had been withdrawn from the account,

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so sadly he won't be seeing a single penny.

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And with thousands of people every year falling prey to these

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types of scams, it's more crucial than ever that we truly understand

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the risks involved whenever we pay for anything using a bank transfer.

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And that advice is reiterated by cybersecurity expert David Emm.

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If in an e-mail or any other form

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somebody is asking you to give up confidential information

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like your bank details, like your credit card,

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like passwords, that should immediately be a red flag.

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The PayPals and the eBays of this world are not going to ask you

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just to give out information, particularly via e-mail.

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All of that is great advice, but sadly too late for Akshay.

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I just hope that people can learn from what happened to me

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and try and not make the same mistake that I did.

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Still to come on Rip-Off Britain,

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the jobseekers caught out by a recruitment business

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that can leave you hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

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The cost was about £212 and it just totally shocked me.

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I was really, really, really upset.

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Once again, we're ready to open up our Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop.

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Now, this time, we've come to one of the busiest shopping centres,

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right in the heart of Nottingham.

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For two days only, we've brought our team of experts out on the road

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so that we can give advice face-to-face.

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And it's absolutely free,

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because we've got a terrific team here that are ready

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to give you the tools and all the information you need

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to ensure that the next time you hand over your hard-earned cash,

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you won't be ripped off.

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Faye Lord and her dad, Mick, came to see finance expert Sarah Pennells

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after being caught out by a scammer advertising on eBay.

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They'd bought a voucher for a big-name holiday company,

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but had become suspicious

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after seeing another very similar listing from the same seller.

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Do you mind if I ask, how much did you bid for this card,

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this holiday voucher?

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-It was, erm, £1,850.

-Wow!

-So, obviously...

-Almost £2,000.

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It was a massive amount of money to us.

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We decided something wasn't quite right and we thought,

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"This is a lot of money.

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"The best thing to do would be to cancel this transaction

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"and ask for a refund."

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The seller agreed to a full refund, but the money never arrived.

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So Faye turned to eBay, who gave the seller a deadline to either

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pay up or send proof that the voucher had been delivered.

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And the day before that time was up,

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the seller sent an e-mail claiming the voucher had been sent,

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providing a tracking number which they said proved it.

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A day later, we saw this tracking number had been signed for

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-when we checked it online.

-So, in other words...

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We'd not received anything at all.

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No card through the door for mis-delivery or anything.

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And no way of tracing whoever

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-it might have been who'd had the item?

-No. No.

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And so the plot thickened

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when they called at their local sorting office to find out

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what had gone on.

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We said, "Look, allegedly, this item's been sent to us,

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"but we've not received anything. How can this happen?"

0:22:420:22:45

And we provided them with the tracking number.

0:22:450:22:47

They said, "Oh, this rings a bell with us, actually.

0:22:470:22:49

"We know about this." A gentleman had come in and said,

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"Ooh, I've got a special delivery item.

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"I'm not expecting anything. This is all very strange."

0:22:540:22:58

But he handed over the card nevertheless.

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And all there was inside it was a piece of paper that said,

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"Your gift card is enclosed."

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But there was nothing else inside it.

0:23:040:23:06

It seems rather than sending the voucher,

0:23:060:23:09

the seller has simply sent an empty envelope by recorded delivery

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to a random address in Nottingham,

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and they'd done so deliberately,

0:23:140:23:16

knowing that they could then demonstrate

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proof of posting and delivery.

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As a result, eBay told Faye they couldn't refund her money,

0:23:200:23:24

leaving her nearly £2,000 out of pocket.

0:23:240:23:27

The auction site just keeps saying, "The seller's provided evidence

0:23:270:23:31

"that the item's been delivered to you."

0:23:310:23:33

Which is just not true.

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I mean, really, it's down to the online site to reimburse you,

0:23:350:23:38

because you have undoubtedly been the victim of fraud.

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And they have a procedure which says very clearly the terms and conditions

0:23:410:23:45

you have to meet in order to be covered by it, which you meet.

0:23:450:23:48

It wasn't delivered to your address and it wasn't signed in your name.

0:23:480:23:51

It wasn't even addressed to you.

0:23:510:23:53

The company's quite adamant you haven't got a case. I disagree.

0:23:530:23:57

Erm... I mean, I think this might be one that we need to get involved in.

0:23:570:24:00

-Mention the name Rip-Off Britain and see...

-Mention the name.

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Give them a bit of a shake and just see whether it changes their mind,

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because I can't see how they are saying you haven't got a case.

0:24:070:24:10

Immediately after filming, Sarah contacted eBay herself

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and the company conducted an investigation

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using specialist teams in both the US and Europe.

0:24:170:24:20

They concluded that Faye had been the victim of a sophisticated

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fraudster and have now refunded her the full amount,

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so a great result.

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In the heart of the shopping centre, many of you came to our Gripe Corner

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to let off steam about all sorts of subjects that really wind you up.

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Something that really annoys me

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is when you go into a supermarket

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and you only mean to buy one or two things,

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but you get bombarded with a load of offers where things are

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buy-one-get-one-free or three-for-the-price-of-two,

0:24:480:24:50

and you end up buying about ten more things

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than you actually needed in the first place.

0:24:520:24:54

I hate being put on hold.

0:24:540:24:56

Whenever I phone a company to complain, they always leave me

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30 to 40 minutes and never offer to phone me back.

0:24:590:25:02

It's my phone bill. It's my money they're wasting.

0:25:020:25:04

It's just not on.

0:25:040:25:05

Earlier in the programme,

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we heard the astonishing story of a very elaborate new scam

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in which the people behind it will try

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and trick someone into believing they are going to be working

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undercover for the police in a rather sophisticated sting

0:25:200:25:24

to try and catch the fraudsters.

0:25:240:25:26

I met a woman called Valerie who had been involved in exactly this scam

0:25:260:25:31

and she had been persuaded to move all of her savings

0:25:310:25:34

into her current account and then take a taxi into London

0:25:340:25:38

to help the so-called police catch the fraudsters in the act.

0:25:380:25:42

Over a period of around five hours, a barrage of phone calls,

0:25:450:25:48

supposedly from the police, had convinced Valerie

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that her bank account was the target of fraudsters,

0:25:510:25:54

who she could now help to bring to justice.

0:25:540:25:56

After transferring £33,000 into her current account,

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Valerie was instructed to catch a taxi to Selfridges' flagship store,

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where the final act of the drama was to play out.

0:26:040:26:07

The cab arrives, I go out there, get in the cab

0:26:080:26:11

and no sooner sit down than the phone goes, the mobile.

0:26:110:26:14

So he said, "Are you in the cab?"

0:26:140:26:15

I said, "Yes, I'm in the cab and I'm on my way to London."

0:26:150:26:19

Well, that phone, he kept ringing and ringing and ringing.

0:26:190:26:22

"Where are you now? How long now?"

0:26:220:26:24

After nearly two hours of frantic phone calls,

0:26:250:26:28

the taxi eventually dropped Valerie outside the famous department store.

0:26:280:26:33

It was only then that Valerie suddenly began to worry

0:26:330:26:35

that she could be out of her depth.

0:26:350:26:37

I had said to him, "Hang on a minute.

0:26:370:26:39

"Am I safe doing this? You know, if you're putting me

0:26:390:26:43

"in a situation where I'm going where you know criminals are,

0:26:430:26:46

"how safe am I?"

0:26:460:26:48

"No," he said. "I'm going to have two plain-clothes police officers.

0:26:480:26:51

"They'll be with you all the way. You'll be absolutely safe."

0:26:510:26:55

As Valerie takes me through what happened next,

0:26:550:26:58

the extraordinary ingenuity of the scammers becomes clear.

0:26:580:27:02

She was told that the criminal gang was about to buy a Rolex watch

0:27:020:27:06

using her card details,

0:27:060:27:08

but by purchasing one at the same time with her real card,

0:27:080:27:12

she'd be able to prove they were crooks.

0:27:120:27:13

So, Valerie, you're at the Rolex watch counter in Selfridges.

0:27:130:27:18

What happened?

0:27:180:27:19

At this stage, I was feeling very vulnerable, very frightened,

0:27:190:27:23

because I'm in the store. I'm in London.

0:27:230:27:26

My family don't know where I am.

0:27:260:27:28

The only person that I'm in contact with is this guy

0:27:280:27:31

that I totally believed was a police officer.

0:27:310:27:33

-And he's still on the phone?

-He's still on the phone.

0:27:330:27:36

He directs me. He says, "Now, I want you to go to the watch department."

0:27:360:27:39

And I said, "I'm starting to feel really wobbly and faint."

0:27:390:27:42

And he said, "Go, go, go!

0:27:420:27:44

"They've just taken another £30,000 out of somebody's account.

0:27:440:27:48

"We've got to get them. We're going to get them today. Go!"

0:27:480:27:51

The scammer remained on the phone the whole time.

0:27:510:27:55

The assistant asked me, "Can I help you?"

0:27:550:27:57

And I said, "I'm looking to buy a Rolex."

0:27:570:27:59

And she said, "Do you know what one?"

0:27:590:28:00

So I said, "No, I'm not sure."

0:28:000:28:02

But he's able to hear me and I said, "Well, just a minute then,

0:28:020:28:07

"I'll ask him, cos it's for a friend."

0:28:070:28:09

And then he gives me a number of a Rolex

0:28:090:28:11

and I relay it to the assistant

0:28:110:28:13

and she said, "Oh, yes, it's this one here."

0:28:130:28:16

And he's now saying in my phone, "You're doing really well, Valerie.

0:28:160:28:20

"It's all going to be over soon. Purchase. Make the purchase."

0:28:200:28:23

And you were buying a watch that was valued at...?

0:28:230:28:26

£13,000.

0:28:260:28:27

-That's a bit scary in itself, isn't it?

-Well, it is.

0:28:280:28:32

It's probably my only opportunity to go and buy a Rolex for £13,000.

0:28:320:28:36

But luckily for Valerie,

0:28:380:28:39

the Selfridges staff could sense that she was on edge

0:28:390:28:42

and what's more, they'd been warned about these kinds of scams

0:28:420:28:46

involving expensive purchases in department stores just like theirs.

0:28:460:28:50

What was there in your demeanour, do you think,

0:28:510:28:53

that made them think that there was something not quite right?

0:28:530:28:57

Because I didn't know what I was buying.

0:28:570:28:59

And also, I'm on the phone to somebody.

0:28:590:29:01

You know, I'm asking them which one it is that they want,

0:29:010:29:04

which is ridiculous.

0:29:040:29:05

If I was buying a present, I'd either be selecting

0:29:050:29:08

what I liked or I'd go there knowing what I was going to buy.

0:29:080:29:13

Fortunately, the vigilance of the store's staff paid off

0:29:130:29:17

and they intervened to stop the purchase

0:29:170:29:19

before the scam could escalate any further.

0:29:190:29:21

As for Valerie, she was understandably confused

0:29:210:29:24

and unsure who she could trust.

0:29:240:29:26

Then I'm aware of two guys coming into the store.

0:29:260:29:30

And one of them leans over and...

0:29:300:29:33

He said something about fraud. So I thought, "Ah, this is my two guys

0:29:330:29:39

"under plain clothes and they're the ones that are looking after me."

0:29:390:29:44

And he said, "You're involved in a scam."

0:29:440:29:47

-What's going through your head now?

-I don't know.

0:29:470:29:49

I'm sat there now and I don't know who's the baddie, who's the goodie.

0:29:490:29:53

I just absolutely do not know who's who now.

0:29:530:29:57

And at that point, then, I did break down for a minute.

0:29:570:30:00

Eventually, genuine police officers turned up

0:30:030:30:06

and took a very distressed Valerie home.

0:30:060:30:08

They were also looking into similar cases -

0:30:080:30:11

all of which produced the same perplexing question.

0:30:110:30:15

Why would crooks want someone like Valerie

0:30:150:30:18

to buy an expensive item,

0:30:180:30:20

like a Rolex watch,

0:30:200:30:22

in the first place?

0:30:220:30:23

DCI Anthony Archibald was the real police officer

0:30:260:30:29

who took charge of the investigation

0:30:290:30:31

dubbed "Operation: Edisto."

0:30:310:30:33

As he explains, the purpose of this scam

0:30:330:30:35

wasn't to secure Valerie's card details,

0:30:350:30:38

but to persuade her to use them herself

0:30:380:30:40

on a high-end purchase

0:30:400:30:41

that the crooks would, ultimately,

0:30:410:30:43

find a way to get hold of

0:30:430:30:45

and then sell on.

0:30:450:30:47

What was the point of this scam?

0:30:470:30:49

The ultimate goal for the criminal is that the high-value watch

0:30:490:30:52

would then get sent out of the country

0:30:520:30:54

and sell it for a considerable amount of money.

0:30:540:30:56

So, there's a huge profit for

0:30:560:30:57

what was just a couple of hours' work for a criminal.

0:30:570:31:00

If Valerie's purchase had gone ahead,

0:31:000:31:02

the man on the phone would most likely have given her

0:31:020:31:04

instructions on what to do with the watch next -

0:31:040:31:07

which, inevitably, would have meant handing it over to the gang,

0:31:070:31:11

supposedly as police evidence, and losing all her money.

0:31:110:31:14

As it was, she had a lucky escape

0:31:140:31:16

but others aren't so fortunate.

0:31:160:31:18

You must have seen many instances

0:31:180:31:20

where people have become the victims of scams.

0:31:200:31:22

What sort of effect does it have on them, do you think?

0:31:220:31:25

Absolutely devastating for some people.

0:31:250:31:27

The loss of considerable amounts of money and,

0:31:270:31:30

in some cases,

0:31:300:31:32

people's life savings.

0:31:320:31:34

They are mainly retired professional people

0:31:340:31:36

who have fallen for a very clever scam

0:31:360:31:39

and they get quite embarrassed

0:31:390:31:41

and I can fully understand how Valerie, or other victims,

0:31:410:31:46

are taken in by this.

0:31:460:31:48

It wouldn't happen. The police would not put those demands on someone.

0:31:480:31:51

Variations of this scam have seen people persuaded

0:31:510:31:54

to buy other high-value goods,

0:31:540:31:56

including expensive clothes,

0:31:560:31:58

supposedly to help with the police operation.

0:31:580:32:00

And because they've all been bought

0:32:000:32:02

using the customer's genuine details,

0:32:020:32:04

rather than stolen ones,

0:32:040:32:05

the criminals leave little footprint

0:32:050:32:07

and, if all goes to plan,

0:32:070:32:09

they can simply melt away with the purchases

0:32:090:32:11

with no real hope of them ever being brought to justice.

0:32:110:32:14

Has it done a lot of permanent damage

0:32:140:32:17

and hurt to you, do you think?

0:32:170:32:19

There's a lot of anger in me still.

0:32:200:32:23

I was lucky. All he took from me was a day of my time -

0:32:230:32:26

but other people, they've taken your life savings,

0:32:260:32:29

they've taken your life away

0:32:290:32:31

and I'm very angry about that.

0:32:310:32:33

That's why I'm prepared to speak up about it.

0:32:330:32:36

Now, in the world of job hunting,

0:32:430:32:44

competition can be fierce

0:32:440:32:46

and you might have to send your CV out to endless job sites,

0:32:460:32:49

agencies and recruiters

0:32:490:32:51

before you strike lucky.

0:32:510:32:53

But a word of warning,

0:32:530:32:54

not every company offering work is genuine

0:32:540:32:57

and their ads may not be for a real job.

0:32:570:33:00

Indeed, instead of trying to help you get more money with a new job,

0:33:000:33:03

they might simply be trying to trick you out of

0:33:030:33:05

whatever money you've got right now.

0:33:050:33:07

They've not yet met, but these two women have something in common.

0:33:100:33:14

They're among the more than one and a half million people

0:33:140:33:16

who've used recruitment consultancy

0:33:160:33:19

in the last year...

0:33:190:33:20

..and for both Hristina Chowdhry and Halle Fadeyi

0:33:210:33:24

their job search came with an unexpected and very costly catch.

0:33:240:33:28

The cost is about £212 and it just totally shocked me.

0:33:290:33:33

I was petrified, thinking,

0:33:330:33:35

"Oh, no, all the bills that I've got."

0:33:350:33:37

In the past few years, both Hristina and Halle

0:33:390:33:41

have had periods of unemployment,

0:33:410:33:43

spending hours job hunting with little success.

0:33:430:33:47

It was a very stressful time,

0:33:470:33:49

simply because you keep on applying all day long

0:33:490:33:52

and then, in the end, there is no result.

0:33:520:33:55

When I was searching for jobs,

0:33:550:33:56

and I was unemployed,

0:33:560:33:58

I felt very frustrated,

0:33:580:33:59

very distraught...

0:33:590:34:00

So, both were delighted when they were approached

0:34:020:34:04

with the news of potential work by a company called...

0:34:040:34:07

Now based in Devon and

0:34:100:34:11

not to be confused with any companies with a similar name.

0:34:110:34:14

For Hristina, it was just the news she had been hoping for.

0:34:140:34:18

It was a very difficult period

0:34:190:34:20

because I'm a single mum

0:34:200:34:22

and I am looking after my two kids.

0:34:220:34:24

Not having a job,

0:34:240:34:26

it was a strain on myself financially

0:34:260:34:29

because I need to pay the rent,

0:34:290:34:31

I need to pay the bills and look after the kids.

0:34:310:34:33

Hristina wasn't sure how the company had found her CV,

0:34:340:34:38

but the supposed job as a PA

0:34:380:34:40

with multiple language skills

0:34:400:34:42

sounded perfect and it came with a good salary.

0:34:420:34:45

I thought, "Great, I'll go for this,"

0:34:460:34:48

and I got excited thinking...

0:34:480:34:50

I felt confident because it's very easy to go for something

0:34:500:34:53

that feels like it matches you like a mirror.

0:34:530:34:56

Hristina responded straight away

0:34:580:35:00

and the recruitment firm quickly e-mailed back

0:35:000:35:02

with an appointment for a telephone interview.

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Meanwhile, on the other side of London,

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Halle had been approached by Total Recruitment Consultancy Ltd

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about an apparent marketing position.

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When they first contacted me,

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obviously, as anyone else would feel,

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you feel, "Oh, wow, there is hope out there and I can find a job."

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She too swiftly had a telephone interview arranged

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and, at the appointed time,

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rang the number she had been given in the recruitment company's e-mail.

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When Halle finally put the phone down,

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after what she thought was a two-hour job interview,

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she felt really positive.

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Rather than it being just an interview,

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it felt like it was a conversation I was having with a friend.

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At the end of the call, I thought,

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"OK, I think this is good

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"because we was on the phone for a long time."

0:35:450:35:48

So, it was a positive phone call.

0:35:480:35:50

But when Hristina rang for her supposed job interview,

0:35:530:35:57

the overfamiliar tone

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and the attitude of the person at the other end of the phone

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started to ring alarm bells.

0:36:010:36:03

They seemed unready for the phone call,

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and the way he spoke, it wasn't professional at all.

0:36:060:36:09

So, towards the end, I was more than sure that something is wrong.

0:36:090:36:12

I don't think that it's a genuine phone call that I made.

0:36:120:36:15

Hristina's suspicions were soon to be confirmed,

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but Halle, on the other hand, was convinced

0:36:200:36:22

that her phone interview had been a success

0:36:220:36:24

and that the job was in the bag.

0:36:240:36:26

When I hung up the phone

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I just automatically thought I might get a job soon,

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I won't have any money problems,

0:36:300:36:32

I would feel more positive.

0:36:320:36:34

That's how they made me feel.

0:36:340:36:36

Halle was sent an e-mail

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confirming she'd made it onto the books of the recruitment consultancy

0:36:380:36:42

but, after that, neither women ever heard

0:36:420:36:44

from Total Recruitment Consultancy again -

0:36:440:36:47

but that wasn't their only concern.

0:36:470:36:49

When Halle received her phone bill the following month,

0:36:490:36:52

she could hardly believe her eyes

0:36:520:36:54

when she saw how much that two-hour phone interview had cost.

0:36:540:36:58

The call was £212

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and it just made me feel so shocked.

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I felt really let down.

0:37:020:37:04

But Hristina, who was immediately suspicious after her phone call,

0:37:050:37:09

found out the truth about her interview

0:37:090:37:11

straight after she checked with her phone provider

0:37:110:37:13

and discovered her call had clocked up a hefty £75.89.

0:37:130:37:19

I was really, really, really upset.

0:37:190:37:22

I've got two kids and,

0:37:220:37:24

obviously, I need to pay the bills,

0:37:240:37:25

to pay the rent and everything.

0:37:250:37:27

It was a fortune at the time.

0:37:270:37:29

Both job opportunities had been entirely bogus

0:37:300:37:34

and the huge costs were because Hristina and Halle

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had each been lured into calling an "09" premium rate number -

0:37:370:37:41

costing around £1.44 a minute.

0:37:410:37:43

Although it was unclear from the firm's website,

0:37:430:37:46

and unbeknown, at this stage, to the two women,

0:37:460:37:48

the company doesn't actually offer any jobs at all.

0:37:480:37:51

It provides only job training and advice.

0:37:510:37:54

They want you to call them

0:37:540:37:56

so that you can do the interview.

0:37:560:37:58

They sound in their initial e-mail

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that they already know who you are

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and what you're looking for,

0:38:030:38:05

and they have found the bingo job for you.

0:38:050:38:07

The original e-mail, sent to both women,

0:38:090:38:11

did say, in the small print, that there might be extra charges

0:38:110:38:14

for the training telephone interview

0:38:140:38:16

and that there was no guarantee of a job,

0:38:160:38:19

but Hristina and Halle both say that was far from the impression

0:38:190:38:22

they were given.

0:38:220:38:23

Although the women both remember that there was a brief recorded message

0:38:240:38:28

at the start of the phone call mentioning additional charges,

0:38:280:38:32

they say that no specific cost was stated

0:38:320:38:34

and nor was it made clear that they were calling a premium rate number.

0:38:340:38:39

The guidelines around premium rate numbers are very clear.

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For example, the cost of the call must be shown in close proximity

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to the premium rate number itself in any literature

0:38:470:38:50

and the purpose of the number

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must be clearly set out too

0:38:520:38:54

without being in any way misleading.

0:38:540:38:56

So, just how did this recruitment firm manage to get away with it?

0:38:560:39:01

Keith Rosser is the chairman of Safer Jobs.

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These days, it is possible to be able to mask

0:39:040:39:06

a premium rate phone number.

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So, often jobseekers won't actually know that they are calling

0:39:080:39:11

a premium rate number.

0:39:110:39:12

It's absolutely not standard practice that a legitimate,

0:39:120:39:16

reputable recruiter would contact a jobseeker

0:39:160:39:19

and ask a jobseeker to call a premium rate number

0:39:190:39:23

for an interview.

0:39:230:39:25

Desperate to get their money back,

0:39:250:39:26

the women did all they could to recover the cash,

0:39:260:39:29

including contacting BT, the police

0:39:290:39:32

and the regulator PhonepayPlus.

0:39:320:39:34

I remember spending the whole day on the phone

0:39:350:39:38

reporting the case, being told,

0:39:380:39:40

"It's your word against them. It has to be investigated.

0:39:400:39:43

"You have to pay the bill first."

0:39:430:39:45

Halle, too, reported the case to the authorities

0:39:460:39:49

and their persistence paid off.

0:39:490:39:51

Complaints from both women were submitted as evidence to a tribunal

0:39:510:39:55

investigating Total Recruitment Consultancy.

0:39:550:39:58

The company was found to be in serious breach

0:39:580:40:00

of the rules and regulations

0:40:000:40:02

and the owners were ordered to refund customers.

0:40:020:40:05

But for Halle, there was a final sting in the tail.

0:40:050:40:08

I received a cheque, finally,

0:40:090:40:11

so, obviously, that made me feel like, "This is finally over."

0:40:110:40:14

However...

0:40:150:40:17

the cheque bounced back.

0:40:170:40:18

We tried to contact Total Recruitment Consultancy

0:40:200:40:23

but they didn't respond to our letters or e-mails.

0:40:230:40:26

Although this particular company's website is no longer active,

0:40:260:40:30

it seems recruitment scams like this one

0:40:300:40:33

are a growing problem.

0:40:330:40:35

Anybody can be targeted with a job scam

0:40:350:40:37

just by having a profile

0:40:370:40:39

or CV out there, online.

0:40:390:40:41

So, if you're looking for work,

0:40:430:40:44

Keith has some sound advice to help you steer clear of the scammers.

0:40:440:40:49

Don't phone the organisation for the interview, but have them phone you.

0:40:490:40:53

Check it is a genuine job.

0:40:530:40:55

Never part with money.

0:40:550:40:57

Never do everything online.

0:40:570:40:59

Choose reputable recruiters.

0:40:590:41:01

'But there has at least been some good news for Hristina and Halle.

0:41:030:41:07

'Both have now landed full-time, permanent jobs.'

0:41:070:41:10

Here at Rip-Off Britain, we're always ready to investigate

0:41:170:41:19

more of your stories.

0:41:190:41:21

Confused over your bills

0:41:210:41:23

or feel you're paying well over the odds?

0:41:230:41:25

It is too small and it's done on purpose

0:41:250:41:28

so that you can't actually read it.

0:41:280:41:30

People will look at it and they'll say,

0:41:300:41:31

"I can't be bothered reading that."

0:41:310:41:33

Unsure what to do when you discover you've lost out

0:41:330:41:36

and that great deal has ended up costing you money?

0:41:360:41:40

People are buying into this. I did.

0:41:400:41:42

Are they going to be as awkward with them as they were with me?

0:41:420:41:45

You might have a cautionary tale of your own

0:41:450:41:47

and want to share the mistakes you made with us

0:41:470:41:50

so that other people don't do the same thing.

0:41:500:41:52

Just fobbed off completely

0:41:520:41:54

and, you know, very disappointed.

0:41:540:41:56

You can write to us at...

0:41:560:41:58

Or you can send us an e-mail to...

0:42:050:42:07

The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting

0:42:110:42:13

to investigate your stories.

0:42:130:42:16

Time and time again,

0:42:180:42:20

we hear from people who say that they would never fall for scams

0:42:200:42:23

like the really nasty ones that we've been hearing about today -

0:42:230:42:26

but I'm afraid the reality is that,

0:42:260:42:28

whether the yarn that you're spun

0:42:280:42:29

involves a potential job offer,

0:42:290:42:31

fake e-mails or even the claim that

0:42:310:42:34

you're going to be working undercover for the police,

0:42:340:42:37

there is a scam out there to catch everyone,

0:42:370:42:40

with more cynical and inventive ones cropping up all the time.

0:42:400:42:43

And it doesn't really matter whether you lose a small amount

0:42:430:42:46

or an absolute fortune,

0:42:460:42:48

the effects of the worst scams

0:42:480:42:50

can leave you picking up the pieces for months or even years afterwards,

0:42:500:42:54

which is why we're so grateful that all the people we met today

0:42:540:42:56

have been prepared to share their stories with us.

0:42:560:42:59

And quite extraordinary stories they've been.

0:42:590:43:02

But, you know, it's only because they have told us their experiences

0:43:020:43:05

that the rest of us know exactly what to watch out for.

0:43:050:43:07

So that, if we're targeted the same way,

0:43:070:43:09

we don't end up handing over any money.

0:43:090:43:12

At this point in the programme is

0:43:120:43:13

where we have to leave it, I'm afraid,

0:43:130:43:15

but do please tell us about any new scams that you've come across.

0:43:150:43:18

But in the meantime, thank you very much for joining us in the programme

0:43:180:43:22

-and until next time, from all of us, bye-bye.

-Bye-bye.

-Bye.

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