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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch.

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I've complained and complained and nobody takes any notice of me.

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In all honesty, I think it's just a way for the shops

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to make more money.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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You don't want to spend any more, but yet they're always trying

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to offer you little things extra.

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When you've lost out but no-one else is to blame

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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Rang up the company and they went, "Oh, it isn't our fault."

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So, whose fault is it?

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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We're here to find out why you're out-of-pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where

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today we're going to be trying to make sense of how things

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are supposed to work if you need to return something

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that you've bought, either because it's faulty

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or perhaps even dangerous.

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And, of course, while it should all be

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very straightforward, even big name stores and companies

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don't always make it easy.

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Or indeed get it right.

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Because there are very clear-cut rules firmly on the side

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of the consumer and while you may think that they'd be hard to argue

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with, you're constantly telling us all here in the office

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about occasions when arguing is exactly what the businesses

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involved will do.

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Well, in a classic Rip-Off Britain move, we've done our own test to see

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if some of the country's biggest and best known names would give us

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the right answer when we tried to return something faulty

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and you'll be surprised at the ones that got it wrong.

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But, don't worry. They might not be clear on our rights but we certainly

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are and by the end of the programme, you will be, too.

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Coming up...

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If you've got one of the millions of tumble dryers at risk of catching

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fire, how long should you have to wait for the company responsible

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to check if it's safe?

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I mean, I was literally horrified.

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11 months before someone could even come out and put the machine right?

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It just, to me, was totally unacceptable.

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And the high street stores getting your rights wrong.

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By that point I was just so angry because it was like

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I was being disbelieved.

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In our last series, we looked at concerns about how good

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manufacturers are at letting us know if a product we bought

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may have a fault that could be dangerous.

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And we met a woman whose tumble dryer had actually caught fire

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because she had no idea of the risk.

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Well, since then, the effectiveness of product recalls and safety

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warnings has been called into question and yet

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again, it's tumble dryers at the heart of it all.

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New figures revealed that firefighters attend almost one

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blaze a day caused by tumble dryers, which catch fire.

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Millions of households in Britain have a tumble dryer built by

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one of the biggest and best-known home appliance manufacturers

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in the world, Whirlpool.

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But last year, the group's European brands Hotpoint,

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Creda and Indesit hit the headlines when it was revealed that more

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than 5 million of their dryers could be at risk of catching fire.

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'A review discovered potential safety issues where excess fluff

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'in the dryers could catch in the heating element.'

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Investigators discovered that Whirlpool's dryers had been linked

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to at least 750 house fires since 2004.

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'This used to be the family's tumble dryer,

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'but when they saw flames coming from the back of the appliance

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'they fled the family home and ran to safety.'

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As a result, Whirlpool has launched

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the biggest safety alert in British history.

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Good afternoon, you're through to Whirlpool,

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you're speaking to Heather, how can I help?

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All 5 million dryers need to be inspected and, if they're

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found to be among those at risk, repaired.

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'Whirlpool says that customers can carry on using their dryers

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'until the modification, if needed, has been made.'

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Laura Whitley from Bristol has one of the dryers that could be

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dangerous and after discovering that, she doesn't dare

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use it until Whirlpool can confirm it's safe.

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But she's had a long wait.

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Who's this? Dada.

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Laura had been using her Hotpoint dryer for 18 months

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when she received the e-mail warning it could be dangerous.

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I'd seen a couple of news stories but I didn't know that my machine

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was a problem at all.

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And it wasn't until I had an e-mail asking me to check the serial number

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of my machine, that I realised there was a problem.

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Laura put her serial number into the Hotpoint website and it

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confirmed her dryer was among those that were potentially faulty.

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It told her she needed to arrange for an engineer

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to visit and if necessary, modify the appliance to ensure that

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fluff can't come into contact with the heating element,

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which could cause a fire.

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I was actually quite worried because I'd been using this

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machine, my son's in the house, my husband's in the house

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and you hear these horror stories of what can happen

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if the machine catches fire.

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Now, Whirlpool hasn't actually recalled these tumble dryers,

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despite suggestions from critics that it should have done.

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Instead, it's issued a safety notice and a large-scale

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modification programme, which aims to fix all the affected

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machines instead of recalling them.

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Whirlpool insists that the dryers are still safe to use

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in the meantime, but just to be absolutely sure, the company has

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told owners not to leave their dryers unattended when it's switched on

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and to check and clean the filter after every use.

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For Laura, however, any risk was enough to stop her

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using her dryer altogether.

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I definitely don't feel safe taking their advice.

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Certainly, the week all this happened there were two news stories

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where people had had their machine catch fire

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but I'm not going to wait for that to happen

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just because I put my tumble dryer on.

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Whirlpool launched a massive programme of repairs

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with 1,500 engineers sent out to check more

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than 4,000 tumble dryers everyday.

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But with 5 million to get through, that's not been a speedy process.

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So when, in December 2015, Laura called to book an appointment to see

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if her dryer was safe, she couldn't believe

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what she was told -

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the next available slot wasn't until the following November!

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I mean, I was literally horrified.

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That is such a long time to have to wait.

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11 months before someone

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can even come out and put the machine right?!

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It just, to me, was totally unacceptable.

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With her second child due in three months,

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Laura was really hoping for a quicker solution.

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She didn't want to be stuck with a dryer she couldn't be sure was safe.

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After I got over the shock of the wait time, I picked up

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the phone to try to see if there was anything I could do

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and I was told I was one of the millions of people

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that was in the same situation and I literally

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had to wait my turn.

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Dozens of Rip-Off Britain viewers have been in touch with similar

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concerns about the wait to have their appliance checked out.

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The whole procedure taking so long is ridiculous for a company who says

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customer safety comes first.

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On my second telephone conversation with a call centre, I was told

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that it wouldn't be six weeks, it would be next February '17

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and I'm not very pleased with that.

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Hotpoint customer services were not easy to contact over the phone.

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Continually left on hold.

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When they did answer, they had no idea how

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to deal with my enquiry.

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Others have e-mailed us asking if their home insurance would pay

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out if a dryer known to be at risk did cause a fire

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before it could be fixed.

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Well, we put that to the Association Of British Insurers,

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who said it wouldn't expect such a claim to be declined.

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But there's another big bone of contention among

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Whirlpool customers who've contacted us, because the company has

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come up with a solution for customers who don't want to wait

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months for an engineer to come round.

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It says they can buy a brand-new dryer, which isn't

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affected by the same fault, for ?99.

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It says that's a third of the normal price.

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But many of the people we've spoken to, Laura among them,

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don't see why they should have to pay anything to resolve a safety

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issue that isn't their fault.

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'I just don't think it's fair for Whirlpool to ask

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'us to spend more money out of our own pocket'

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for a replacement machine.

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So, Laura's resigned to waiting for the engineer's visit,

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which has at least been brought forward to September,

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though that's still almost ten months after she first booked it.

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I spent ages researching the right tumble dryer to buy and now I'm left

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with a room with a machine in it, with a machine I can't use

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and it's ridiculous.

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I look at it every day and I can't put any washing in it.

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'It's not just Whirlpool customers unhappy with the length of time

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'all this is taking to sort out.

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'The retail ombudsman Dean Dunham would also have liked to see

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'the affected dryers repaired more quickly.

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'And he thinks there should be tighter rules around how quickly

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'manufacturers are obliged to respond to safety concerns.'

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There is no law that says when there is an issue or a safety

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notice issued or a product recall

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that says how quick they have to act.

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That's a huge flaw in the law.

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It needs to be updated.

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Manufacturers like Whirlpool, when they know there's a problem,

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they should be dealing with issuing notices at a certain period of time

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and get engineers out to either uplift the goods

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or to repair them, again, within a very tight timetable.

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And what, therefore, do you think that Whirlpool should have done

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that they haven't done?

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Well, what Whirlpool should have done in this

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situation is they should have acted far quicker.

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The moment they discovered the problem, they should have put

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more staff on the situation, more staff answering phones,

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more engineers out to people's houses and dealt with it quicker.

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Whirlpool did employ hundreds of new call centre staff

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and engineers to tackle this faster

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but its efforts to contact customers were hampered by the fact

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that only around one quarter of the 5 million

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who'd brought one of the affected dryers had registered it

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with Whirlpool, leaving more than 3 million people

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that the company couldn't locate.

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That's a problem we've reported on before and it's one affecting any

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manufacturer that might need to contact customers.

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If you've bought a tumble dryer or any other electrical appliance

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you will have seen a big sticker on the front saying

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"register your warranty, call this number or send

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"us an e-mail." Most people don't do that.

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In fact, fewer than half of us typically register

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our new appliances, which you can understand makes it hard for

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manufacturers to trace us

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if they issue a recall or, as in the case of Whirlpool,

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a safety notice.

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Last year we told you about a service called

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"Register my appliance", which allows customers to do just that

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so the manufacturer can contact them if their product is recalled.

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But the Retail Ombudsman believes that still relies on customers

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taking the time to register.

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They're behind a simple idea which, if it takes off, could help put that

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right by registering appliances at the time they're bought.

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When the retailer sells you the goods, they don't tell

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the manufacturers of your details.

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That means you're completely invisible to them.

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They don't know about you.

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We've created a central register.

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We're now calling for all retailers that when they

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sell electrical goods,

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they register the person's details and the serial number and everything

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else and then when a manufacturer has a product recall,

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or safety recall, they can notify that register and in turn that

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can notify consumers.

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The register went live in June 2016 at ukrecall.org.uk and you can

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still make sure your details are on it, even if they weren't

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collected when you bought your appliance.

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There's two things you can do in that situation.

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The register does now deal with old machines,

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so you can go to the register and you can register your old machine.

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It will then pick up on any product recalls and safety notices.

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Of course the other thing you can do is look at the sticker on the front

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if it's still there and register it direct with the manufacturer.

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In the best case scenario, do both.

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And Dean has no doubt about what he believes

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the crucial benefit will be.

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This is going to save lives.

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Our own website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain has

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details of other ways you can keep track of which products

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may have been the subject of a recall or safety notice

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with links to easily searchable websites we've featured on the programme last year.

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As for Whirlpool and its tumble dryers, well, earlier this year

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with so many viewers contacting us about this, we asked the company

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if we could follow its teams working to inspect and where necessary

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modify all those 5 million tumble dryers.

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Initially, Whirlpool said yes, but later changed its mind.

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The company was, however, happy to talk to us about what it's doing

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to make sure all the affected machines are seen to as quickly

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as possible, and to address the point raised by our viewers

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that it's all simply taking too long.

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Whirlpool stressed that safety is its number one priority

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and it's working hard to speed up the whole process,

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reiterating that it's taken on hundreds of extra engineers

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and call centre staff and is continually looking into

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alternative options to help reduce waiting times.

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It says it's now contacted more than 3.6 million customers

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with at least 1.4 million of those registering for the

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free modification.

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The company apologised to Laura for her long delay but said

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it has now offered a solution she's happy with.

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And it insisted the appliances ARE safe to use while awaiting

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modification, repeating its advice that they shouldn't be left

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unattended while also recommending users...

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There's more information about how to check if your tumble dryer

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is affected on our website.

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And, of course, on Whirlpool's website, too.

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As for the Retail Ombudsman's scheme to encourage more people

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to register their appliances, Whirlpool said it welcomes such

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initiatives, but as this one hadn't been worked out in consultation with

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manufacturers, it pointed consumers to the industry approved

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"Register my appliance" scheme.

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But you can't help thinking the more ways manufacturers can track down

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customers in an emergency, the better, especially if it means

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the wait to get a problem sorted out won't stretch on for months.

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I feel really angry at the fact that I was using this machine daily

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and it could have been us, it could have been my family

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that was put at that risk and that makes me feel really angry.

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Our consumer rights when it comes to shopping were recently made

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a little bit clearer when a rewrite of the law,

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laid out in very simple

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black and white terms, said what we should and shouldn't expect

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a shop to do if we want to take something back.

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But we've discovered that some of our best known chains don't seem

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to have got the message.

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But fear not, by the end of this film you should have no doubts

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whatsoever about what exactly you're entitled to and who knows,

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you might even be able to set the shop straight, as well.

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Now, there was a time when the customer was always right,

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which isn't a bad starting point if there is a disagreement over

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something you've bought.

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But these days, things aren't always that simple.

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If you're not happy with a purchase because, let's say,

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it's faulty or damaged, the store may not always see things your way

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and knowing what your rights are and for how long you'd be entitled

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to get your money back, can baffle even the savviest of shoppers.

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I think on average it is two weeks, 14 days, I think.

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As long as you haven't worn it and you've still got your receipt

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you can take things back within a month.

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It's normally about 14 days, 28 days.

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Well, some of them were close, but none was completely right.

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The Consumer Rights Act of 2015 makes it clear that

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if an item is faulty

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or simply "not fit for purpose", that's the phrase, then return it

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with your receipt and you're legally entitled to a refund

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within a minimum of 30 days.

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Beyond that, you can still expect a repair or replacement,

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but if you want your money back it's really important to act fast.

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And while all that might sound clear-cut,

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for some of you, returning

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goods has proved anything but.

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Jane Owen from Chelmsford, for one.

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She thought that she knew what she was entitled to

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when she needed to return some trainers that she'd bought

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for her daughter Emily.

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I was really excited about getting the trainers

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because it was my birthday and I'd wanted them for ages.

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The trainers were especially important for Emily

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because she was just starting to get back on her feet after

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recovering from a very serious traffic accident.

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Go, come to me.

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That's it, do it slowly.

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The accident in 2014 left Emily hospitalised

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but after months of painful physiotherapy, in August 2015 she

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began walking again.

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Good girl, well done.

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It was an extra special present for all the hard work she'd put in

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to getting back to walking after such a long time.

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Emily's choice was these trainers from JD Sports,

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the self-proclaimed King of Trainers.

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She was thrilled to start wearing them

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but after just two outings she began to notice that something was wrong.

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She said, "Mum, they're really uncomfortable,

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"there's something sticking in the back of my leg,"

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and when I felt inside it, there was like a hard piece

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of plastic or metal sticking out into the back of her foot.

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Now, walking was hard enough for Emily

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but this problem made it too painful for her to even try.

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I can't wear them.

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I have to take them off as soon as I put them on because it hurts.

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Jane asked JD Sports for a replacement pair,

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but much to her surprise, the store told her that they needed

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to send them off for inspection first and when that was complete,

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Jane and Emily were staggered to be told that the fault

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wasn't with the shoes, but the way Emily had put them on.

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The inspection said she must have rammed her feet into them.

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I was quite angry that they'd actually come up with this

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conclusion when it wasn't physically possible for Emily to do this,

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because after Emily's accident we were still actually

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putting her shoes on for her and doing them up.

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Just really upset because I didn't have the strength to do that

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so they were saying that I'd put them on the wrong way and I didn't

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even have the strength to ram my feet in.

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When Jane objected, JD Sports agreed to inspect the shoes again

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but the eventual response was just the same.

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By that point I was just so angry because it was like I was being

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disbelieved because Emily couldn't physically do that at that time.

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JD Sports however insisted that unless an independent inspection

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of the trainers proved otherwise, it wouldn't be taking responsibility

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for the fault in the trainers.

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I just want them to admit that there was something

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wrong with the trainers, not that we'd done anything to them.

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When we got in touch with JD Sports, the store told us that it's sorry

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that Jane is unhappy with its findings

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but after a full internal review, it stands by its view that...

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However...

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It offered Emily a gift card matching the value

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of the trainers so that she can choose another pair.

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Whatever the explanation in this particular case,

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you might have hoped that taking back what was after all still

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a new pair of trainers would have been more straightforward

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and certainly one purpose of the new Consumer Rights Act

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was to make it clearer for shoppers and retailers alike

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exactly when we should and shouldn't expect a refund.

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But, the question is, have all the big stores

0:20:500:20:52

really got the message?

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Under the new rules, if an item was faulty

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when the shopper bought it, they have 30 days to take it

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back for a full refund, and six months to ask for it

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to be repaired or replaced.

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What's more, during that period, if the store doesn't believe

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the fault was present at the time of purchase, it is now up

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to them to prove that.

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But according to Peter Cartwright, who is a professor in consumer law

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at Nottingham University, even big-name retailers

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often get this wrong.

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One reason I think why consumers get confused is because shopkeepers

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and shop assistants are sometimes confused about this.

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This might be in part because the law is quite complex,

0:21:330:21:36

but it also might be because they have not had

0:21:360:21:38

the training that they need to be able to communicate effectively

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what the law is to consumers.

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# Lifting me, lifting me up

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# Just keeps lifting me... #

0:21:460:21:48

So, to test how often store staff do know their stuff,

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we've enlisted the help of this gospel choir from Leicester.

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They're going to swap the high notes...

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# ..Lifting me higher and higher

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# Higher... #

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..for the high street.

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Hi, there. Nice to see you. Hello. How are you? Good to see you.

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To see if some of the big-name stores are all singing

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from the same hymn sheet when it comes to consumer rights.

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Peter has asked members of the choir to pop into branches

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of Britain's best-known retailers and report back

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on the advice that they are given

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about getting a refund on a faulty item.

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So, what we want you to do is to go to some of the top retail stores,

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tell them that you want to return some goods that are faulty,

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and ask them clearly, "How long have I got to do that?"

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OK? Good luck with that.

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Now, a good answer from one of the stores would mention

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either the minimum 30-day limit the customer is legally entitled to,

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or refer to the shop's own policy,

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which, in some cases, might be more generous than the law requires.

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Anything less than the 30 days is incorrect.

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First stop, in the choir's home town of Leicester, Marks Spencer.

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With 914 UK stores, its staff should be up to speed

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with the ins and outs of what a customer is legally entitled to.

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So, was that the case?

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She said you can bring it back. She wants to see it.

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She can't make a decision without seeing the jumper,

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but there's a clear sign saying,

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"If you have changed your mind about something,

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"bring it back within 35 days."

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Now, it's fair enough that the assistant wouldn't commit

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without seeing the item.

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But 35 days to return a product is above and beyond

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the 30-day minimum that the law insists upon.

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Next, Next.

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A high-street giant with 500 stores in the UK and Ireland.

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Let's see what we were told in the Leicester branch.

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So, I went into Next and if the item is faulty,

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then they said it is going to be at a manager's discretion

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whether you can get the refund back.

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That's not so good.

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If it's a genuine manufacturing fault,

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it isn't up to the manager to decide.

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You have a right to a refund.

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We also spoke to staff in the Leicester branches

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of eight other high-street names.

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And between them all, we were only given the wrong advice twice.

0:24:090:24:14

But we also sent our choir to branches of the same stores

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in a different city -

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34 miles up the road in Nottingham.

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Kicking off, once again, in Marks Spencer.

0:24:210:24:25

She said, "Sometimes it's six months, sometimes it's a year."

0:24:250:24:28

So, she wasn't sure of the time.

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Also, she said dependent on the fault and where it is.

0:24:300:24:33

Well, the staff member here wasn't as sure of their facts

0:24:330:24:37

as in the last branch and didn't seem to know either the law

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or the store's own policy.

0:24:400:24:43

And we weren't given strictly accurate advice

0:24:430:24:45

in the Nottingham branch of Next either,

0:24:450:24:47

although staff did appear quite flexible in their approach.

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If it's the manufacturer's fault, there is no timescale, really.

0:24:520:24:55

It's at the manager's discretion.

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On this occasion, the shop workers of Nottingham

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weren't quite as up to scratch on consumer rights

0:25:010:25:03

as the ones in Leicester,

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because half of the shops we checked gave us the wrong advice.

0:25:050:25:09

And of the ten high-street names,

0:25:090:25:12

there were only five

0:25:120:25:13

where the staff gave us correct advice in both cities.

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Topman, Matalan, Asda, H and Debenhams,

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where, each time, we were directed to either the 30-day legal minimum

0:25:200:25:24

or their own more generous returns policy.

0:25:240:25:27

The information from the rest was mixed and sometimes,

0:25:270:25:30

I'm afraid, just plain wrong.

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Hi, guys. Hello. So how did it go today? Well, very interesting.

0:25:330:25:38

So, do you think that the shops just didn't know what your rights were?

0:25:380:25:42

I don't think they know.

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Because some was talking about it depends on a manager's discretion,

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and which manager you get to get a refund for a faulty item

0:25:480:25:51

if you haven't got a receipt,

0:25:510:25:52

so it comes down to the manager at some point.

0:25:520:25:55

But if shop staff don't always get it right,

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it's no wonder we can end up confused,

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or worse still, not getting what we are entitled to.

0:26:020:26:05

So, to get a bigger picture,

0:26:050:26:07

researchers from the Rip-off Britain team

0:26:070:26:09

also either phoned or popped into branches

0:26:090:26:11

of those same ten retailers in Liverpool,

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Manchester, and Chelmsford.

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And again, there was quite a difference in what we were told.

0:26:160:26:19

By now, in total, we'd asked the same question on refunds

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in 50 stores across the UK

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and we put the results into a table

0:26:260:26:28

to see which chains fared best overall.

0:26:280:26:31

Bottom of our list was Next,

0:26:330:26:35

with staff failing to give accurate advice

0:26:350:26:37

in any of the five stores we checked.

0:26:370:26:40

Not far behind,

0:26:400:26:41

Primark also got it wrong more often than getting it right.

0:26:410:26:45

Our results were a mixed bag at New Look and Debenhams and Tesco.

0:26:450:26:49

But the advice was more consistent at H, M, and Matalan -

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each of which was let down by just one store from the five we checked.

0:26:530:26:57

But at the top of the table were Asda and Topman,

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where we got the correct information

0:27:000:27:02

from all five of the branches we spoke to.

0:27:020:27:04

When we put our findings to the stores that,

0:27:070:27:09

on this occasion, came out worst,

0:27:090:27:11

they stressed their commitment is to making sure

0:27:110:27:13

the staff get this right.

0:27:130:27:15

Next told us it's rolling out an updated staff training module...

0:27:150:27:21

And Primark also said

0:27:210:27:23

it would be strengthening its training on this...

0:27:230:27:28

But to make sure you're armed with the right information

0:27:280:27:31

on all of this whenever you need it,

0:27:310:27:33

do go to our website...

0:27:330:27:38

And there, you'll find a handy downloadable guide,

0:27:380:27:40

spelling it all out.

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Still to come on Rip-off Britain,

0:27:490:27:51

the big name in furniture that may charge to return those faulty goods.

0:27:510:27:56

I was furious. I was upset.

0:27:560:27:59

I felt as if I was being bullied into giving them money

0:27:590:28:03

to take away a product that they'd delivered to me damaged.

0:28:030:28:08

Once again, we've taken Rip-off Britain out onto the road,

0:28:120:28:16

so that we can meet and help as many of you as we can in person.

0:28:160:28:21

I watch it occasionally. You do? I do, yeah.

0:28:210:28:24

You're my perfect man, then!

0:28:240:28:25

Our pop-up advice clinic checked into Manchester this year

0:28:250:28:29

and our team of experts was kept busier than ever before.

0:28:290:28:33

Steve Dalton came to seek personal finance whiz Sarah Pennells

0:28:330:28:36

after having trouble with an old energy supplier

0:28:360:28:39

that proved surprisingly difficult to leave behind.

0:28:390:28:43

We changed providers in March last year

0:28:430:28:45

and First Utility continued to bill us.

0:28:450:28:48

Did they confirm that they'd closed the account? Yes, they did.

0:28:480:28:51

How much, then, was the bill that you continued to get?

0:28:510:28:54

We continued to receive bills monthly, for the next nine months.

0:28:540:28:58

For how much? Hundreds of pounds.

0:28:580:29:01

?150, ?250, ?70.

0:29:010:29:03

Every one was different.

0:29:030:29:06

And what did they say when you got in touch with them again?

0:29:060:29:08

That they were looking into it, they were sorry for the inconvenience.

0:29:080:29:12

We had e-mails confirming that.

0:29:120:29:14

First Utility agreed that Steve had been billed incorrectly

0:29:140:29:17

and refunded the hundreds of pounds

0:29:170:29:19

that he quite wrongly had been asked to pay.

0:29:190:29:21

But billing errors across all energy companies

0:29:210:29:24

remain disappointingly common.

0:29:240:29:26

I can understand why you're fed up,

0:29:260:29:28

and I think it's really frustrating

0:29:280:29:30

when an energy company can't bill you correctly.

0:29:300:29:32

And I have to say that your energy supplier is not the only one

0:29:320:29:35

that's had billing problems.

0:29:350:29:38

This whole sector, large parts of it seem fairly incapable

0:29:380:29:40

of producing an accurate bill,

0:29:400:29:42

which you wouldn't think would be rocket science.

0:29:420:29:44

And a couple of companies have been hauled over the coals

0:29:440:29:46

by the regulator precisely for this.

0:29:460:29:49

And Steve's problems with First Utility weren't over yet.

0:29:490:29:52

Months later, the company was back in touch.

0:29:520:29:55

In February this year, they put us into debt management.

0:29:550:29:59

So, they sent debt collectors,

0:29:590:30:01

or they sent you a debt collector's letter.

0:30:010:30:04

Yeah, and issued a debt management order,

0:30:040:30:06

and, effectively, blackened our name.

0:30:060:30:08

Well, certainly, you don't want to have that,

0:30:080:30:10

meaning that you can't get good deals on borrowing in the future.

0:30:100:30:13

I bet you were really shocked and angered by that. I was, yeah.

0:30:130:30:16

Yeah, because you felt that you have done anything right. Yeah. Yeah.

0:30:160:30:20

Nine months after he'd closed his account,

0:30:200:30:22

the energy supplier was pursuing Steve for a final bill of ?173,

0:30:220:30:27

when as far as he was concerned, the account was all settled.

0:30:270:30:31

Worried about his credit rating and the demanding letters,

0:30:310:30:34

Steve paid up.

0:30:340:30:35

But he remains unhappy,

0:30:350:30:38

so Sarah has offered to take up his case.

0:30:380:30:40

Well, there's two things that we'll do.

0:30:400:30:43

One is I will go back to the company.

0:30:430:30:44

We'll take copies of what we need to.

0:30:440:30:46

And I'll, basically, kind of, you know,

0:30:460:30:48

be like a terrier with a bone on this one. Thank you.

0:30:480:30:51

And the other thing is,

0:30:510:30:53

I'll ask them to produce a copy of your credit record

0:30:530:30:56

to make sure that there isn't an impact on that, as well.

0:30:560:30:58

If you could do that, I'd be very grateful.

0:30:580:31:01

When Sarah did get in touch with First Utility,

0:31:010:31:04

the confusion here became clear.

0:31:040:31:06

It turns out that when Steve had closed his account,

0:31:060:31:09

he'd been given incorrect advice about his balance and what he owed.

0:31:090:31:14

The company accepts that, on this occasion, it got it wrong.

0:31:140:31:17

So, as well as refunding the money

0:31:170:31:19

that Steve hadn't known he needed to pay,

0:31:190:31:21

it's given him a goodwill gesture to make up the inconvenience

0:31:210:31:25

and apologised for the frustration that the errors caused.

0:31:250:31:28

Without Rip-off Britain's help and advice,

0:31:300:31:33

I don't think we would have ever resolved this.

0:31:330:31:36

Meanwhile, we were out and about with our experts

0:31:380:31:40

in the rest of the shopping centre...

0:31:400:31:42

You're, um...!

0:31:420:31:44

Yes, I am!

0:31:440:31:45

..to help more people brush up on their retail rights.

0:31:450:31:49

Do you reckon you know all your rights from shopping online?

0:31:490:31:52

Absolutely not. You don't.

0:31:520:31:54

Right, well, let me introduce the lady from Trading Standards,

0:31:540:31:58

Sylvia, who will tell you what your rights are.

0:31:580:32:00

When you buy from a shop, you don't have the right to return

0:32:000:32:03

something if you just change your mind.

0:32:030:32:05

But you do if you buy online.

0:32:050:32:06

So when you buy something online, generally, you've got 14 days

0:32:060:32:09

in which you can decide whether you want to keep it,

0:32:090:32:11

and if you don't, you can send it back and get your money back.

0:32:110:32:14

One thing I would say,

0:32:140:32:15

if you see a .co.uk website, what does that tell you?

0:32:150:32:18

I think it's from the UK.

0:32:190:32:21

It's a company in the UK, right? Is it? No!

0:32:210:32:23

Not necessarily.

0:32:230:32:25

That's what a lot of people think, but you can buy a .co.uk website.

0:32:250:32:29

So, just because you see it and you think it's reassuring,

0:32:290:32:32

it's a good idea to do some checks.

0:32:320:32:34

You can actually put the name into a domain searcher, such as Who.Is.

0:32:340:32:37

It'll tell you where that address is registered. Thank you very much.

0:32:370:32:41

Have you found that helpful? Yeah, really helpful.

0:32:410:32:43

Especially the .co.uk - I didn't know that. That's quite shocking.

0:32:430:32:46

As we heard earlier, the law says when you buy something

0:32:510:32:54

that's faulty, you are entitled to a refund or a replacement.

0:32:540:32:58

Now, your consumer rights really are very clear on that matter.

0:32:580:33:02

But the people in our next film were left feeling that their rights

0:33:020:33:05

really didn't matter much at all

0:33:050:33:07

to the company that sold them faulty furniture.

0:33:070:33:10

Right, let's recap our finance offer...

0:33:100:33:13

It's a big company, whose ads you've probably seen on TV.

0:33:130:33:17

Pay no deposit...

0:33:170:33:18

And it makes equally big promises about the quality of its products.

0:33:180:33:21

..A place of dovetail joints, beautiful details.

0:33:210:33:25

So, let's furnish the land!

0:33:250:33:27

It was those TV adverts that first caught Diane Perrin's eye

0:33:290:33:33

when she was looking for a new sofa for her home in Staffordshire.

0:33:330:33:37

They come across as a really friendly company

0:33:370:33:41

that is very hot on customer service,

0:33:410:33:44

that makes sure that their quality control is really high.

0:33:440:33:48

Diane didn't just want any old sofa,

0:33:480:33:50

not least because the narrow doorways in her cottage

0:33:500:33:53

make it hard to get most big furniture through the door.

0:33:530:33:56

But Oak Furnitureland sold a recliner

0:33:560:33:58

that she and her husband, Mark, couldn't resist.

0:33:580:34:01

It ticked every box that we had.

0:34:010:34:04

It was pretty to look at.

0:34:040:34:06

The upholstery was soft and very comfortable

0:34:060:34:08

and we'd never had luxury like a plug-in,

0:34:080:34:12

electric reclining sofa before.

0:34:120:34:14

It was perfect.

0:34:140:34:15

Diane and her husband were sold.

0:34:170:34:19

And they bought the sofa under the store's interest-free credit offer

0:34:190:34:23

for a total price of ?848 -

0:34:230:34:27

including insurance and delivery.

0:34:270:34:29

We were over the moon. I know it sounds ridiculous for a settee,

0:34:300:34:34

but we'd been so long without a decent sofa.

0:34:340:34:38

A week later, in May 2016, the new sofa arrived.

0:34:380:34:41

The drivers unwrapped and assembled it and a neighbour helped Diane,

0:34:410:34:45

who'd just had surgery on her hands, tidy up the packaging.

0:34:450:34:49

But it wasn't long before she spotted a problem.

0:34:490:34:52

There was a pull in the fabric,

0:34:520:34:54

which I thought they could probably come and fix,

0:34:540:34:58

but then, as I ran my hand across the fabric,

0:34:580:35:01

I noticed that there was a big dent just by the arm.

0:35:010:35:05

The dent that's in the cushion

0:35:060:35:09

is easily three inches wide

0:35:090:35:11

and it's 19 inches long, when I measured it.

0:35:110:35:14

With the delivery drivers long gone,

0:35:140:35:17

Diane picked up the phone to Oak Furnitureland.

0:35:170:35:20

I wanted to try and get it replaced

0:35:200:35:22

with one that didn't have this damage to it.

0:35:220:35:25

Diana assumed that getting a replacement

0:35:260:35:28

would be straightforward. How wrong she was!

0:35:280:35:32

The store asked her to send photos of the damage,

0:35:320:35:35

then said that, rather than replacing the item,

0:35:350:35:38

it would send someone round to repair the furniture,

0:35:380:35:41

which she wasn't happy with at all.

0:35:410:35:43

That just didn't seem fair to me.

0:35:430:35:45

That's it's a lot of money, it's a big piece of furniture,

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and if it's not arriving in pristine showroom condition,

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it should be replaced.

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Oak Furnitureland was adamant that it was under no obligation

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to replace the sofa, as the fault was only minor.

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But when Diane checked the store's terms and conditions,

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she couldn't find anything that backed up what she was being told.

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Nowhere in here does it say that we won't replace faulty goods.

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In fact, in several places,

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it says we will replace where furniture is faulty.

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Thoroughly confused, Diane called customer services again,

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demanding a replacement.

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This time, Oak Furnitureland said that she could return the sofa,

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but in doing so, she was effectively refusing a repair,

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so wouldn't get a full refund.

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Instead, she'd need to pay a ?225 cancellation charge,

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almost a third of what she paid for the sofa.

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I was furious.

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I was upset.

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I felt as if I was being bullied into giving them money

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to take away a product that they delivered to me damaged.

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The store's lengthy terms and conditions

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do state that, because all sofas are made to order,

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they are excluded from the company's seven-day money-back guarantee.

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But Diane could find no reference to facing a 30% charge

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to return faulty goods if you're not willing to accept a repair.

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And she can't see how that could be right.

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I just can't understand where this policy came from.

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And why they think... Why they set on that figure.

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Convinced that she was entitled to a full refund

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if no replacement was forthcoming, Diane refused to back down.

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And though the company did refund the money

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that she paid for the insurance and cancelled her finance agreement,

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she was then billed for the ?225 Oak Furnitureland insisted

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that she should pay.

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It's just outrageous. It's just so...

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It's just so wrong.

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And Diane is not alone in thinking that.

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In fact, you could fill several sofas with the people

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who've contacted us with similar stories.

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Jo Thomas reluctantly accepted a repair to her sideboard

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that was faulty on delivery,

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as she was told that it would not be possible

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to refund or replace it free of charge.

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Meanwhile, Jenna Slowey felt that she had no choice

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but to accept a repair to her faulty sofa,

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after, once again, being told that she would be charged to return it.

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But Diane remains convinced

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that what Oak Furnitureland has told her is wrong.

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So, to find out for sure,

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we brought her to meet Tony Shore

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from Staffordshire Trading Standards.

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Well, the law is very clear in relation to faulty goods.

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If you advise them that they are faulty,

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within that 30-day period,

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you're entitled to a refund of your money.

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So, from the point of view of the Consumer Rights Act,

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you're entitled to a full refund of your money.

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And that means that there's no costs involved for you

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as an individual at all.

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But if the Consumer Rights Act is so clear,

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saying that you are entitled to a full refund within 30 days,

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Diane can't see how Oak Furnitureland's terms and conditions

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can say that sofas are excluded from the store's seven-day guarantee.

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And Tony agrees with her.

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I felt powerless.

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Are companies like Oak Furnitureland

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allowed to write their own terms and conditions like this? No.

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Your statutory rights are there regardless of any policies

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or any documentation that the company provides.

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These are rights that you've got in law

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and nobody can take those away.

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Now, Oak Furnitureland does make clear on its website

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that its Ts and Cs are subject to your statutory rights.

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But when its terms appear to say something that's different,

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you can see why Diane is so keen to get this cleared up.

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So, Tony's advice to Diane is absolutely not to give up.

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He recommends that she writes to the company's chief executive,

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clearly stating her case, and asking for a full refund,

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quoting the crucial passage from the Consumer Rights Act,

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which, by the way, you can find on our website.

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But in the end, that wasn't needed.

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When we contacted Oak Furnitureland about Diane's case,

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it immediately and unreservedly apologised,

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agreeing that she was...

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and that, on this occasion, its...

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As such, it's repaid the money and reviewed its processes

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to enable specialist staff to work...

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It told us the other two cases we mentioned have also both

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been resolved and that, as a result...

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And though that isn't what was offered to Diane,

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whose purchase came several months after that change came in,

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the store went on to tell us

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that all its customer service team is being retrained.

0:41:070:41:10

And it made clear that its seven-day money-back guarantee

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is in addition to customer's statutory rights.

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As well as her refund,

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Oak Furnitureland sent Diane flowers and chocolates as an apology,

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and though she very much appreciates all that,

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she wants to make sure anyone else who ends up with faulty goods -

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wherever they bought them - knows exactly what they're entitled to.

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It's not just the money that I was distressed about

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and that I was angry about.

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I think they've got a lot to sort out internally.

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If you got a story you'd like us to investigate,

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then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page,

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our website...

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or e-mail.

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And, of course, you can send a letter to our postal address.

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Well, after seeing our reports today, hopefully,

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both you and the shops themselves are going to be a lot clearer

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on exactly what you are entitled to if, for whatever reason,

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you need to take something back.

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Because it would certainly seem that perhaps in the past,

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you may not always have been given the right information.

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It seems that's especially the case when it comes to that old chestnut

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of whether you should get a full refund

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or just be happy with an exchange or credit note.

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So, I have to say, it's a great relief to finally have that one

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cleared up once and for all. Now that you know your rights,

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make sure that nobody tries to bamboozle you

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by telling you anything different.

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And if you do run into problems when it comes to getting a refund,

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a replacement, or a repair for something faulty,

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why not share what happened on our Facebook page?

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I'm sure this is a topic we're going to be looking at again.

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In the meantime, keep shopping and keep taking back where necessary.

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But for now, thank you very much for joining us.

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And from all of us here, goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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