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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
I've complained and complained and nobody takes any notice of me. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
In all honesty, I think it's just a way for the shops | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
to make more money. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
You don't want to spend any more, but yet they're always trying | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
to offer you little things extra. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
When you've lost out but no-one else is to blame | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Rang up the company and they went, "Oh, it isn't our fault." | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
So, whose fault is it? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
We're here to find out why you're out-of-pocket | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
today we're going to be trying to make sense of how things | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
are supposed to work if you need to return something | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
that you've bought, either because it's faulty | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
or perhaps even dangerous. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
And, of course, while it should all be | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
very straightforward, even big name stores and companies | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
don't always make it easy. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Or indeed get it right. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
Because there are very clear-cut rules firmly on the side | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
of the consumer and while you may think that they'd be hard to argue | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
with, you're constantly telling us all here in the office | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
about occasions when arguing is exactly what the businesses | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
involved will do. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Well, in a classic Rip-Off Britain move, we've done our own test to see | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
if some of the country's biggest and best known names would give us | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
the right answer when we tried to return something faulty | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
and you'll be surprised at the ones that got it wrong. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
But, don't worry. They might not be clear on our rights but we certainly | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
are and by the end of the programme, you will be, too. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Coming up... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
If you've got one of the millions of tumble dryers at risk of catching | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
fire, how long should you have to wait for the company responsible | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
to check if it's safe? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
I mean, I was literally horrified. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
11 months before someone could even come out and put the machine right? | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
It just, to me, was totally unacceptable. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
And the high street stores getting your rights wrong. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
By that point I was just so angry because it was like | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
I was being disbelieved. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
In our last series, we looked at concerns about how good | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
manufacturers are at letting us know if a product we bought | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
may have a fault that could be dangerous. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
And we met a woman whose tumble dryer had actually caught fire | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
because she had no idea of the risk. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Well, since then, the effectiveness of product recalls and safety | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
warnings has been called into question and yet | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
again, it's tumble dryers at the heart of it all. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
New figures revealed that firefighters attend almost one | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
blaze a day caused by tumble dryers, which catch fire. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
Millions of households in Britain have a tumble dryer built by | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
one of the biggest and best-known home appliance manufacturers | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
in the world, Whirlpool. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
But last year, the group's European brands Hotpoint, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Creda and Indesit hit the headlines when it was revealed that more | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
than 5 million of their dryers could be at risk of catching fire. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
'A review discovered potential safety issues where excess fluff | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
'in the dryers could catch in the heating element.' | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Investigators discovered that Whirlpool's dryers had been linked | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
to at least 750 house fires since 2004. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
'This used to be the family's tumble dryer, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
'but when they saw flames coming from the back of the appliance | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
'they fled the family home and ran to safety.' | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
As a result, Whirlpool has launched | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
the biggest safety alert in British history. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Good afternoon, you're through to Whirlpool, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
you're speaking to Heather, how can I help? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
All 5 million dryers need to be inspected and, if they're | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
found to be among those at risk, repaired. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
'Whirlpool says that customers can carry on using their dryers | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
'until the modification, if needed, has been made.' | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
Laura Whitley from Bristol has one of the dryers that could be | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
dangerous and after discovering that, she doesn't dare | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
use it until Whirlpool can confirm it's safe. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
But she's had a long wait. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Who's this? Dada. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Laura had been using her Hotpoint dryer for 18 months | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
when she received the e-mail warning it could be dangerous. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
I'd seen a couple of news stories but I didn't know that my machine | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
was a problem at all. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
And it wasn't until I had an e-mail asking me to check the serial number | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
of my machine, that I realised there was a problem. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Laura put her serial number into the Hotpoint website and it | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
confirmed her dryer was among those that were potentially faulty. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
It told her she needed to arrange for an engineer | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
to visit and if necessary, modify the appliance to ensure that | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
fluff can't come into contact with the heating element, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
which could cause a fire. | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
I was actually quite worried because I'd been using this | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
machine, my son's in the house, my husband's in the house | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
and you hear these horror stories of what can happen | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
if the machine catches fire. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Now, Whirlpool hasn't actually recalled these tumble dryers, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
despite suggestions from critics that it should have done. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
Instead, it's issued a safety notice and a large-scale | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
modification programme, which aims to fix all the affected | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
machines instead of recalling them. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
Whirlpool insists that the dryers are still safe to use | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
in the meantime, but just to be absolutely sure, the company has | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
told owners not to leave their dryers unattended when it's switched on | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
and to check and clean the filter after every use. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
For Laura, however, any risk was enough to stop her | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
using her dryer altogether. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
I definitely don't feel safe taking their advice. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
Certainly, the week all this happened there were two news stories | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
where people had had their machine catch fire | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
but I'm not going to wait for that to happen | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
just because I put my tumble dryer on. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Whirlpool launched a massive programme of repairs | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
with 1,500 engineers sent out to check more | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
than 4,000 tumble dryers everyday. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
But with 5 million to get through, that's not been a speedy process. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
So when, in December 2015, Laura called to book an appointment to see | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
if her dryer was safe, she couldn't believe | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
what she was told - | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
the next available slot wasn't until the following November! | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
I mean, I was literally horrified. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
That is such a long time to have to wait. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
11 months before someone | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
can even come out and put the machine right?! | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
It just, to me, was totally unacceptable. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
With her second child due in three months, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Laura was really hoping for a quicker solution. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
She didn't want to be stuck with a dryer she couldn't be sure was safe. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
After I got over the shock of the wait time, I picked up | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
the phone to try to see if there was anything I could do | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and I was told I was one of the millions of people | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
that was in the same situation and I literally | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
had to wait my turn. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
Dozens of Rip-Off Britain viewers have been in touch with similar | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
concerns about the wait to have their appliance checked out. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
The whole procedure taking so long is ridiculous for a company who says | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
customer safety comes first. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
On my second telephone conversation with a call centre, I was told | 0:07:24 | 0:07:30 | |
that it wouldn't be six weeks, it would be next February '17 | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and I'm not very pleased with that. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Hotpoint customer services were not easy to contact over the phone. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
Continually left on hold. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
When they did answer, they had no idea how | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
to deal with my enquiry. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
Others have e-mailed us asking if their home insurance would pay | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
out if a dryer known to be at risk did cause a fire | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
before it could be fixed. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
Well, we put that to the Association Of British Insurers, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
who said it wouldn't expect such a claim to be declined. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
But there's another big bone of contention among | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Whirlpool customers who've contacted us, because the company has | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
come up with a solution for customers who don't want to wait | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
months for an engineer to come round. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
It says they can buy a brand-new dryer, which isn't | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
affected by the same fault, for ?99. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
It says that's a third of the normal price. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
But many of the people we've spoken to, Laura among them, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
don't see why they should have to pay anything to resolve a safety | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
issue that isn't their fault. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
'I just don't think it's fair for Whirlpool to ask | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
'us to spend more money out of our own pocket' | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
for a replacement machine. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
So, Laura's resigned to waiting for the engineer's visit, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
which has at least been brought forward to September, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
though that's still almost ten months after she first booked it. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
I spent ages researching the right tumble dryer to buy and now I'm left | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
with a room with a machine in it, with a machine I can't use | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
and it's ridiculous. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
I look at it every day and I can't put any washing in it. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
'It's not just Whirlpool customers unhappy with the length of time | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
'all this is taking to sort out. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
'The retail ombudsman Dean Dunham would also have liked to see | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
'the affected dryers repaired more quickly. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
'And he thinks there should be tighter rules around how quickly | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
'manufacturers are obliged to respond to safety concerns.' | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
There is no law that says when there is an issue or a safety | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
notice issued or a product recall | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
that says how quick they have to act. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
That's a huge flaw in the law. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
It needs to be updated. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
Manufacturers like Whirlpool, when they know there's a problem, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
they should be dealing with issuing notices at a certain period of time | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
and get engineers out to either uplift the goods | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
or to repair them, again, within a very tight timetable. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
And what, therefore, do you think that Whirlpool should have done | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
that they haven't done? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
Well, what Whirlpool should have done in this | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
situation is they should have acted far quicker. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
The moment they discovered the problem, they should have put | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
more staff on the situation, more staff answering phones, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
more engineers out to people's houses and dealt with it quicker. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
Whirlpool did employ hundreds of new call centre staff | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
and engineers to tackle this faster | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
but its efforts to contact customers were hampered by the fact | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
that only around one quarter of the 5 million | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
who'd brought one of the affected dryers had registered it | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
with Whirlpool, leaving more than 3 million people | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
that the company couldn't locate. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
That's a problem we've reported on before and it's one affecting any | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
manufacturer that might need to contact customers. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
If you've bought a tumble dryer or any other electrical appliance | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
you will have seen a big sticker on the front saying | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
"register your warranty, call this number or send | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
"us an e-mail." Most people don't do that. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
In fact, fewer than half of us typically register | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
our new appliances, which you can understand makes it hard for | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
manufacturers to trace us | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
if they issue a recall or, as in the case of Whirlpool, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
a safety notice. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Last year we told you about a service called | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
"Register my appliance", which allows customers to do just that | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
so the manufacturer can contact them if their product is recalled. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
But the Retail Ombudsman believes that still relies on customers | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
taking the time to register. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
They're behind a simple idea which, if it takes off, could help put that | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
right by registering appliances at the time they're bought. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
When the retailer sells you the goods, they don't tell | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
the manufacturers of your details. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
That means you're completely invisible to them. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
They don't know about you. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
We've created a central register. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
We're now calling for all retailers that when they | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
sell electrical goods, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
they register the person's details and the serial number and everything | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
else and then when a manufacturer has a product recall, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
or safety recall, they can notify that register and in turn that | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
can notify consumers. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
The register went live in June 2016 at ukrecall.org.uk and you can | 0:12:07 | 0:12:14 | |
still make sure your details are on it, even if they weren't | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
collected when you bought your appliance. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
There's two things you can do in that situation. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
The register does now deal with old machines, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
so you can go to the register and you can register your old machine. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
It will then pick up on any product recalls and safety notices. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Of course the other thing you can do is look at the sticker on the front | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
if it's still there and register it direct with the manufacturer. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
In the best case scenario, do both. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
And Dean has no doubt about what he believes | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
the crucial benefit will be. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
This is going to save lives. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
Our own website, bbc.co.uk/ripoffbritain has | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
details of other ways you can keep track of which products | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
may have been the subject of a recall or safety notice | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
with links to easily searchable websites we've featured on the programme last year. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
As for Whirlpool and its tumble dryers, well, earlier this year | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
with so many viewers contacting us about this, we asked the company | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
if we could follow its teams working to inspect and where necessary | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
modify all those 5 million tumble dryers. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Initially, Whirlpool said yes, but later changed its mind. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
The company was, however, happy to talk to us about what it's doing | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
to make sure all the affected machines are seen to as quickly | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
as possible, and to address the point raised by our viewers | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
that it's all simply taking too long. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Whirlpool stressed that safety is its number one priority | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
and it's working hard to speed up the whole process, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
reiterating that it's taken on hundreds of extra engineers | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
and call centre staff and is continually looking into | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
alternative options to help reduce waiting times. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
It says it's now contacted more than 3.6 million customers | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
with at least 1.4 million of those registering for the | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
free modification. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
The company apologised to Laura for her long delay but said | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
it has now offered a solution she's happy with. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
And it insisted the appliances ARE safe to use while awaiting | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
modification, repeating its advice that they shouldn't be left | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
unattended while also recommending users... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
There's more information about how to check if your tumble dryer | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
is affected on our website. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
And, of course, on Whirlpool's website, too. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
As for the Retail Ombudsman's scheme to encourage more people | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
to register their appliances, Whirlpool said it welcomes such | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
initiatives, but as this one hadn't been worked out in consultation with | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
manufacturers, it pointed consumers to the industry approved | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
"Register my appliance" scheme. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
But you can't help thinking the more ways manufacturers can track down | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
customers in an emergency, the better, especially if it means | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
the wait to get a problem sorted out won't stretch on for months. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
I feel really angry at the fact that I was using this machine daily | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
and it could have been us, it could have been my family | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
that was put at that risk and that makes me feel really angry. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Our consumer rights when it comes to shopping were recently made | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
a little bit clearer when a rewrite of the law, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
laid out in very simple | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
black and white terms, said what we should and shouldn't expect | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
a shop to do if we want to take something back. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
But we've discovered that some of our best known chains don't seem | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
to have got the message. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
But fear not, by the end of this film you should have no doubts | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
whatsoever about what exactly you're entitled to and who knows, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
you might even be able to set the shop straight, as well. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Now, there was a time when the customer was always right, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
which isn't a bad starting point if there is a disagreement over | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
something you've bought. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
But these days, things aren't always that simple. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
If you're not happy with a purchase because, let's say, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
it's faulty or damaged, the store may not always see things your way | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and knowing what your rights are and for how long you'd be entitled | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
to get your money back, can baffle even the savviest of shoppers. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
I think on average it is two weeks, 14 days, I think. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
As long as you haven't worn it and you've still got your receipt | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
you can take things back within a month. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
It's normally about 14 days, 28 days. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
Well, some of them were close, but none was completely right. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
The Consumer Rights Act of 2015 makes it clear that | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
if an item is faulty | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
or simply "not fit for purpose", that's the phrase, then return it | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
with your receipt and you're legally entitled to a refund | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
within a minimum of 30 days. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Beyond that, you can still expect a repair or replacement, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
but if you want your money back it's really important to act fast. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
And while all that might sound clear-cut, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
for some of you, returning | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
goods has proved anything but. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
Jane Owen from Chelmsford, for one. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
She thought that she knew what she was entitled to | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
when she needed to return some trainers that she'd bought | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
for her daughter Emily. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
I was really excited about getting the trainers | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
because it was my birthday and I'd wanted them for ages. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
The trainers were especially important for Emily | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
because she was just starting to get back on her feet after | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
recovering from a very serious traffic accident. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Go, come to me. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
That's it, do it slowly. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
The accident in 2014 left Emily hospitalised | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
but after months of painful physiotherapy, in August 2015 she | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
began walking again. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Good girl, well done. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
It was an extra special present for all the hard work she'd put in | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
to getting back to walking after such a long time. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
Emily's choice was these trainers from JD Sports, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
the self-proclaimed King of Trainers. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
She was thrilled to start wearing them | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
but after just two outings she began to notice that something was wrong. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
She said, "Mum, they're really uncomfortable, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
"there's something sticking in the back of my leg," | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
and when I felt inside it, there was like a hard piece | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
of plastic or metal sticking out into the back of her foot. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
Now, walking was hard enough for Emily | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
but this problem made it too painful for her to even try. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
I can't wear them. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
I have to take them off as soon as I put them on because it hurts. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
Jane asked JD Sports for a replacement pair, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
but much to her surprise, the store told her that they needed | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
to send them off for inspection first and when that was complete, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Jane and Emily were staggered to be told that the fault | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
wasn't with the shoes, but the way Emily had put them on. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
The inspection said she must have rammed her feet into them. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
I was quite angry that they'd actually come up with this | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
conclusion when it wasn't physically possible for Emily to do this, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
because after Emily's accident we were still actually | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
putting her shoes on for her and doing them up. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Just really upset because I didn't have the strength to do that | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
so they were saying that I'd put them on the wrong way and I didn't | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
even have the strength to ram my feet in. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
When Jane objected, JD Sports agreed to inspect the shoes again | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
but the eventual response was just the same. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
By that point I was just so angry because it was like I was being | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
disbelieved because Emily couldn't physically do that at that time. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
JD Sports however insisted that unless an independent inspection | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
of the trainers proved otherwise, it wouldn't be taking responsibility | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
for the fault in the trainers. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
I just want them to admit that there was something | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
wrong with the trainers, not that we'd done anything to them. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
When we got in touch with JD Sports, the store told us that it's sorry | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
that Jane is unhappy with its findings | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
but after a full internal review, it stands by its view that... | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
However... | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
It offered Emily a gift card matching the value | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
of the trainers so that she can choose another pair. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
Whatever the explanation in this particular case, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
you might have hoped that taking back what was after all still | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
a new pair of trainers would have been more straightforward | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and certainly one purpose of the new Consumer Rights Act | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
was to make it clearer for shoppers and retailers alike | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
exactly when we should and shouldn't expect a refund. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
But, the question is, have all the big stores | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
really got the message? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
Under the new rules, if an item was faulty | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
when the shopper bought it, they have 30 days to take it | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
back for a full refund, and six months to ask for it | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
to be repaired or replaced. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
What's more, during that period, if the store doesn't believe | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
the fault was present at the time of purchase, it is now up | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
to them to prove that. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
But according to Peter Cartwright, who is a professor in consumer law | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
at Nottingham University, even big-name retailers | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
often get this wrong. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
One reason I think why consumers get confused is because shopkeepers | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
and shop assistants are sometimes confused about this. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
This might be in part because the law is quite complex, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
but it also might be because they have not had | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
the training that they need to be able to communicate effectively | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
what the law is to consumers. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
# Lifting me, lifting me up | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
# Just keeps lifting me... # | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
So, to test how often store staff do know their stuff, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
we've enlisted the help of this gospel choir from Leicester. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
They're going to swap the high notes... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
# ..Lifting me higher and higher | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
# Higher... # | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
..for the high street. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Hi, there. Nice to see you. Hello. How are you? Good to see you. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
To see if some of the big-name stores are all singing | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
from the same hymn sheet when it comes to consumer rights. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Peter has asked members of the choir to pop into branches | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
of Britain's best-known retailers and report back | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
on the advice that they are given | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
about getting a refund on a faulty item. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
So, what we want you to do is to go to some of the top retail stores, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
tell them that you want to return some goods that are faulty, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
and ask them clearly, "How long have I got to do that?" | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
OK? Good luck with that. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
Now, a good answer from one of the stores would mention | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
either the minimum 30-day limit the customer is legally entitled to, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
or refer to the shop's own policy, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
which, in some cases, might be more generous than the law requires. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Anything less than the 30 days is incorrect. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
First stop, in the choir's home town of Leicester, Marks Spencer. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
With 914 UK stores, its staff should be up to speed | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
with the ins and outs of what a customer is legally entitled to. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
So, was that the case? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
She said you can bring it back. She wants to see it. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
She can't make a decision without seeing the jumper, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
but there's a clear sign saying, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
"If you have changed your mind about something, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
"bring it back within 35 days." | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Now, it's fair enough that the assistant wouldn't commit | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
without seeing the item. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
But 35 days to return a product is above and beyond | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
the 30-day minimum that the law insists upon. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Next, Next. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
A high-street giant with 500 stores in the UK and Ireland. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
Let's see what we were told in the Leicester branch. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
So, I went into Next and if the item is faulty, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
then they said it is going to be at a manager's discretion | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
whether you can get the refund back. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
That's not so good. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
If it's a genuine manufacturing fault, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
it isn't up to the manager to decide. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
You have a right to a refund. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
We also spoke to staff in the Leicester branches | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
of eight other high-street names. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
And between them all, we were only given the wrong advice twice. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
But we also sent our choir to branches of the same stores | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
in a different city - | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
34 miles up the road in Nottingham. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
Kicking off, once again, in Marks Spencer. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
She said, "Sometimes it's six months, sometimes it's a year." | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
So, she wasn't sure of the time. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Also, she said dependent on the fault and where it is. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Well, the staff member here wasn't as sure of their facts | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
as in the last branch and didn't seem to know either the law | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
or the store's own policy. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
And we weren't given strictly accurate advice | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
in the Nottingham branch of Next either, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
although staff did appear quite flexible in their approach. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
If it's the manufacturer's fault, there is no timescale, really. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
It's at the manager's discretion. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
On this occasion, the shop workers of Nottingham | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
weren't quite as up to scratch on consumer rights | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
as the ones in Leicester, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
because half of the shops we checked gave us the wrong advice. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
And of the ten high-street names, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
there were only five | 0:25:12 | 0:25:13 | |
where the staff gave us correct advice in both cities. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Topman, Matalan, Asda, H and Debenhams, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
where, each time, we were directed to either the 30-day legal minimum | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
or their own more generous returns policy. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
The information from the rest was mixed and sometimes, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
I'm afraid, just plain wrong. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
Hi, guys. Hello. So how did it go today? Well, very interesting. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
So, do you think that the shops just didn't know what your rights were? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
I don't think they know. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Because some was talking about it depends on a manager's discretion, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
and which manager you get to get a refund for a faulty item | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
if you haven't got a receipt, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
so it comes down to the manager at some point. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
But if shop staff don't always get it right, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
it's no wonder we can end up confused, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
or worse still, not getting what we are entitled to. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
So, to get a bigger picture, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
researchers from the Rip-off Britain team | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
also either phoned or popped into branches | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
of those same ten retailers in Liverpool, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Manchester, and Chelmsford. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
And again, there was quite a difference in what we were told. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
By now, in total, we'd asked the same question on refunds | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
in 50 stores across the UK | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
and we put the results into a table | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
to see which chains fared best overall. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Bottom of our list was Next, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
with staff failing to give accurate advice | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
in any of the five stores we checked. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Not far behind, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
Primark also got it wrong more often than getting it right. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
Our results were a mixed bag at New Look and Debenhams and Tesco. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
But the advice was more consistent at H, M, and Matalan - | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
each of which was let down by just one store from the five we checked. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
But at the top of the table were Asda and Topman, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
where we got the correct information | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
from all five of the branches we spoke to. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
When we put our findings to the stores that, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
on this occasion, came out worst, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
they stressed their commitment is to making sure | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
the staff get this right. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Next told us it's rolling out an updated staff training module... | 0:27:15 | 0:27:21 | |
And Primark also said | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
it would be strengthening its training on this... | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
But to make sure you're armed with the right information | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
on all of this whenever you need it, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
do go to our website... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
And there, you'll find a handy downloadable guide, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
spelling it all out. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Still to come on Rip-off Britain, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
the big name in furniture that may charge to return those faulty goods. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
I was furious. I was upset. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
I felt as if I was being bullied into giving them money | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
to take away a product that they'd delivered to me damaged. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
Once again, we've taken Rip-off Britain out onto the road, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
so that we can meet and help as many of you as we can in person. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
I watch it occasionally. You do? I do, yeah. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
You're my perfect man, then! | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
Our pop-up advice clinic checked into Manchester this year | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
and our team of experts was kept busier than ever before. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Steve Dalton came to seek personal finance whiz Sarah Pennells | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
after having trouble with an old energy supplier | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
that proved surprisingly difficult to leave behind. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
We changed providers in March last year | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
and First Utility continued to bill us. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
Did they confirm that they'd closed the account? Yes, they did. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
How much, then, was the bill that you continued to get? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
We continued to receive bills monthly, for the next nine months. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
For how much? Hundreds of pounds. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
?150, ?250, ?70. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
Every one was different. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
And what did they say when you got in touch with them again? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
That they were looking into it, they were sorry for the inconvenience. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
We had e-mails confirming that. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
First Utility agreed that Steve had been billed incorrectly | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
and refunded the hundreds of pounds | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
that he quite wrongly had been asked to pay. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
But billing errors across all energy companies | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
remain disappointingly common. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
I can understand why you're fed up, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
and I think it's really frustrating | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
when an energy company can't bill you correctly. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
And I have to say that your energy supplier is not the only one | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
that's had billing problems. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
This whole sector, large parts of it seem fairly incapable | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
of producing an accurate bill, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
which you wouldn't think would be rocket science. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
And a couple of companies have been hauled over the coals | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
by the regulator precisely for this. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
And Steve's problems with First Utility weren't over yet. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
Months later, the company was back in touch. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
In February this year, they put us into debt management. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
So, they sent debt collectors, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
or they sent you a debt collector's letter. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Yeah, and issued a debt management order, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
and, effectively, blackened our name. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Well, certainly, you don't want to have that, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
meaning that you can't get good deals on borrowing in the future. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
I bet you were really shocked and angered by that. I was, yeah. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Yeah, because you felt that you have done anything right. Yeah. Yeah. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Nine months after he'd closed his account, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
the energy supplier was pursuing Steve for a final bill of ?173, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
when as far as he was concerned, the account was all settled. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
Worried about his credit rating and the demanding letters, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Steve paid up. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:35 | |
But he remains unhappy, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
so Sarah has offered to take up his case. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Well, there's two things that we'll do. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
One is I will go back to the company. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
We'll take copies of what we need to. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
And I'll, basically, kind of, you know, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
be like a terrier with a bone on this one. Thank you. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
And the other thing is, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
I'll ask them to produce a copy of your credit record | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
to make sure that there isn't an impact on that, as well. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
If you could do that, I'd be very grateful. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
When Sarah did get in touch with First Utility, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
the confusion here became clear. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
It turns out that when Steve had closed his account, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
he'd been given incorrect advice about his balance and what he owed. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
The company accepts that, on this occasion, it got it wrong. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
So, as well as refunding the money | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
that Steve hadn't known he needed to pay, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
it's given him a goodwill gesture to make up the inconvenience | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
and apologised for the frustration that the errors caused. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Without Rip-off Britain's help and advice, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
I don't think we would have ever resolved this. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Meanwhile, we were out and about with our experts | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
in the rest of the shopping centre... | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
You're, um...! | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Yes, I am! | 0:31:44 | 0:31:45 | |
..to help more people brush up on their retail rights. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
Do you reckon you know all your rights from shopping online? | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
Absolutely not. You don't. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
Right, well, let me introduce the lady from Trading Standards, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
Sylvia, who will tell you what your rights are. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
When you buy from a shop, you don't have the right to return | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
something if you just change your mind. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
But you do if you buy online. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
So when you buy something online, generally, you've got 14 days | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
in which you can decide whether you want to keep it, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
and if you don't, you can send it back and get your money back. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
One thing I would say, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
if you see a .co.uk website, what does that tell you? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I think it's from the UK. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
It's a company in the UK, right? Is it? No! | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Not necessarily. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
That's what a lot of people think, but you can buy a .co.uk website. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
So, just because you see it and you think it's reassuring, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
it's a good idea to do some checks. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
You can actually put the name into a domain searcher, such as Who.Is. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
It'll tell you where that address is registered. Thank you very much. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
Have you found that helpful? Yeah, really helpful. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
Especially the .co.uk - I didn't know that. That's quite shocking. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
As we heard earlier, the law says when you buy something | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
that's faulty, you are entitled to a refund or a replacement. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
Now, your consumer rights really are very clear on that matter. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
But the people in our next film were left feeling that their rights | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
really didn't matter much at all | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
to the company that sold them faulty furniture. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Right, let's recap our finance offer... | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
It's a big company, whose ads you've probably seen on TV. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
Pay no deposit... | 0:33:17 | 0:33:18 | |
And it makes equally big promises about the quality of its products. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
..A place of dovetail joints, beautiful details. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
So, let's furnish the land! | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
It was those TV adverts that first caught Diane Perrin's eye | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
when she was looking for a new sofa for her home in Staffordshire. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
They come across as a really friendly company | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
that is very hot on customer service, | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
that makes sure that their quality control is really high. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
Diane didn't just want any old sofa, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
not least because the narrow doorways in her cottage | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
make it hard to get most big furniture through the door. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
But Oak Furnitureland sold a recliner | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
that she and her husband, Mark, couldn't resist. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
It ticked every box that we had. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
It was pretty to look at. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
The upholstery was soft and very comfortable | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
and we'd never had luxury like a plug-in, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
electric reclining sofa before. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
It was perfect. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:15 | |
Diane and her husband were sold. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
And they bought the sofa under the store's interest-free credit offer | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
for a total price of ?848 - | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
including insurance and delivery. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
We were over the moon. I know it sounds ridiculous for a settee, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
but we'd been so long without a decent sofa. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
A week later, in May 2016, the new sofa arrived. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
The drivers unwrapped and assembled it and a neighbour helped Diane, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
who'd just had surgery on her hands, tidy up the packaging. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
But it wasn't long before she spotted a problem. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
There was a pull in the fabric, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
which I thought they could probably come and fix, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
but then, as I ran my hand across the fabric, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
I noticed that there was a big dent just by the arm. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
The dent that's in the cushion | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
is easily three inches wide | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
and it's 19 inches long, when I measured it. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
With the delivery drivers long gone, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Diane picked up the phone to Oak Furnitureland. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
I wanted to try and get it replaced | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
with one that didn't have this damage to it. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Diana assumed that getting a replacement | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
would be straightforward. How wrong she was! | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
The store asked her to send photos of the damage, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
then said that, rather than replacing the item, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
it would send someone round to repair the furniture, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
which she wasn't happy with at all. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
That just didn't seem fair to me. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
That's it's a lot of money, it's a big piece of furniture, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
and if it's not arriving in pristine showroom condition, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
it should be replaced. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
Oak Furnitureland was adamant that it was under no obligation | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
to replace the sofa, as the fault was only minor. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
But when Diane checked the store's terms and conditions, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
she couldn't find anything that backed up what she was being told. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Nowhere in here does it say that we won't replace faulty goods. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:14 | |
In fact, in several places, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
it says we will replace where furniture is faulty. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
Thoroughly confused, Diane called customer services again, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
demanding a replacement. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
This time, Oak Furnitureland said that she could return the sofa, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
but in doing so, she was effectively refusing a repair, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
so wouldn't get a full refund. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Instead, she'd need to pay a ?225 cancellation charge, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
almost a third of what she paid for the sofa. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
I was furious. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
I was upset. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
I felt as if I was being bullied into giving them money | 0:36:51 | 0:36:56 | |
to take away a product that they delivered to me damaged. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
The store's lengthy terms and conditions | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
do state that, because all sofas are made to order, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
they are excluded from the company's seven-day money-back guarantee. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
But Diane could find no reference to facing a 30% charge | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
to return faulty goods if you're not willing to accept a repair. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
And she can't see how that could be right. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
I just can't understand where this policy came from. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
And why they think... Why they set on that figure. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
Convinced that she was entitled to a full refund | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
if no replacement was forthcoming, Diane refused to back down. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
And though the company did refund the money | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
that she paid for the insurance and cancelled her finance agreement, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
she was then billed for the ?225 Oak Furnitureland insisted | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
that she should pay. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
It's just outrageous. It's just so... | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
It's just so wrong. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
And Diane is not alone in thinking that. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
In fact, you could fill several sofas with the people | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
who've contacted us with similar stories. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Jo Thomas reluctantly accepted a repair to her sideboard | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
that was faulty on delivery, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
as she was told that it would not be possible | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
to refund or replace it free of charge. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Meanwhile, Jenna Slowey felt that she had no choice | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
but to accept a repair to her faulty sofa, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
after, once again, being told that she would be charged to return it. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
But Diane remains convinced | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
that what Oak Furnitureland has told her is wrong. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
So, to find out for sure, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
we brought her to meet Tony Shore | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
from Staffordshire Trading Standards. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
Well, the law is very clear in relation to faulty goods. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
If you advise them that they are faulty, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
within that 30-day period, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
you're entitled to a refund of your money. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
So, from the point of view of the Consumer Rights Act, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
you're entitled to a full refund of your money. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
And that means that there's no costs involved for you | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
as an individual at all. | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
But if the Consumer Rights Act is so clear, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
saying that you are entitled to a full refund within 30 days, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
Diane can't see how Oak Furnitureland's terms and conditions | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
can say that sofas are excluded from the store's seven-day guarantee. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
And Tony agrees with her. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
I felt powerless. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
Are companies like Oak Furnitureland | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
allowed to write their own terms and conditions like this? No. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
Your statutory rights are there regardless of any policies | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
or any documentation that the company provides. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
These are rights that you've got in law | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
and nobody can take those away. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Now, Oak Furnitureland does make clear on its website | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
that its Ts and Cs are subject to your statutory rights. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
But when its terms appear to say something that's different, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
you can see why Diane is so keen to get this cleared up. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
So, Tony's advice to Diane is absolutely not to give up. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
He recommends that she writes to the company's chief executive, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
clearly stating her case, and asking for a full refund, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
quoting the crucial passage from the Consumer Rights Act, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
which, by the way, you can find on our website. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
But in the end, that wasn't needed. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
When we contacted Oak Furnitureland about Diane's case, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
it immediately and unreservedly apologised, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
agreeing that she was... | 0:40:21 | 0:40:27 | |
and that, on this occasion, its... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
As such, it's repaid the money and reviewed its processes | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
to enable specialist staff to work... | 0:40:36 | 0:40:44 | |
It told us the other two cases we mentioned have also both | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
been resolved and that, as a result... | 0:40:48 | 0:40:56 | |
And though that isn't what was offered to Diane, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
whose purchase came several months after that change came in, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
the store went on to tell us | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
that all its customer service team is being retrained. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
And it made clear that its seven-day money-back guarantee | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
is in addition to customer's statutory rights. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
As well as her refund, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
Oak Furnitureland sent Diane flowers and chocolates as an apology, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
and though she very much appreciates all that, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
she wants to make sure anyone else who ends up with faulty goods - | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
wherever they bought them - knows exactly what they're entitled to. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
It's not just the money that I was distressed about | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
and that I was angry about. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
I think they've got a lot to sort out internally. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
If you got a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
our website... | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
or e-mail. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
And, of course, you can send a letter to our postal address. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
Well, after seeing our reports today, hopefully, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
both you and the shops themselves are going to be a lot clearer | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
on exactly what you are entitled to if, for whatever reason, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
you need to take something back. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
Because it would certainly seem that perhaps in the past, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
you may not always have been given the right information. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
It seems that's especially the case when it comes to that old chestnut | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
of whether you should get a full refund | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
or just be happy with an exchange or credit note. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
So, I have to say, it's a great relief to finally have that one | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
cleared up once and for all. Now that you know your rights, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
make sure that nobody tries to bamboozle you | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
by telling you anything different. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
And if you do run into problems when it comes to getting a refund, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
a replacement, or a repair for something faulty, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
why not share what happened on our Facebook page? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
I'm sure this is a topic we're going to be looking at again. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
In the meantime, keep shopping and keep taking back where necessary. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
But for now, thank you very much for joining us. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
And from all of us here, goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
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