Episode 19 The Housing Enforcers


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The law says everyone has the right to a safe place to live.

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-See those flies?

-Yeah.

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But for thousands of people across Britain,

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the reality can be more hovel than home.

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This is vermin, vermin filth.

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Ohhhhh!

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It's not me! Blame the landlord!

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In the battle between tenants and landlords,

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it's local housing officers... who are on the front line.

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-We're coming in.

-No, no.

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-Police!

-Excuse me!

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'I'm Matt Allwright.'

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I'm trying to understand how the property could be

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in this condition, while rent is still coming in.

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'And I'm back on the job.

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'Once again joining the ranks of the housing enforcers.'

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It smells like pee. This is somebody's playground.

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'They are tackling problem properties...'

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It just feels like a time bomb.

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'..dealing with the consequences of nightmare neighbours...'

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-He called me a

-BLEEP!

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'..and doing their best to help those in need.'

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We can stand here and look at the very rich people looking back down.

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Hello.

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'Today, I'm caught in a dogfight

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'between a warring tenant and her landlord.'

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They've got to get rid of the dogs.

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-Did you know about the dogs when they moved in?

-No.

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-They had them after.

-BLEEP!

-This is what we get, you see.

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One man's ambitions hang in the balance.

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There's a lot of bad things in the world

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and I thought I might be able to make a change.

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I'm sure there's a lot of people who are watching this,

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their attitude would be, "Listen, mate, you're 21 years old.

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"Grow up, sort yourself out."

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And one housing officer discovers blood isn't necessarily

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thicker than water.

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-Wherever you go, I get complaints.

-Really?

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Complaints about car repairs, selling cars.

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-Is it by any chance my gran, who lives at...?

-Um...

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They say an Englishman's home is his castle,

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but if that place is rented, it's the job of housing officers

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to make sure it's a decent place to live.

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They keep an eye on landlords to make sure

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the property is up to scratch.

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And on some tenants to make sure

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they're keeping their half of the bargain.

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Sandwell is a metropolitan borough in the West Midlands of England.

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Consisting of six large towns,

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this diverse area has just over 121,000 households,

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four out of ten of which are rented.

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'As part of my ongoing training, I'm joining up with

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'Sandwell Council's Housing Standards Officer, Richard Hawkins.

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'Part of Richard's job is to look at

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'how a building affects the health of its tenants.

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'It's a tough job because it's not always straightforward

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'working out where responsibilities lie.

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'Today, we're returning to an estate

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'that both Richard and I are familiar with.'

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We've got a complaint at Trafalgar Court today.

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Not 100% happy with what I've found there.

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There's quite a few issues, but there's also

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issues with the tenants and how they're handling the house.

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-And with some animals they've got at the property.

-Right.

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So this is one of those possibly classic examples where we have

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to try and draw the line between the property and the way

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it's being kept and the tenant and their behaviour

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-and try and work out some middle ground between the two?

-Yeah.

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I've already served a notice previously

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on this property for other issues in the past.

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And rather than keep serving notices and acting independently between

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the two, I'd rather get everybody together and talk this out.

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So we're going to be looking at a flat up here today which has

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had some issues with disrepairs in it.

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The damage in the property has been

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-so extensive that the tenants have actually ripped the carpet out.

-OK.

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When I came last time, the carpet was in the hallway.

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-The carpet I can see now...

-It's just down there.

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It's just down there.

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Although there may not have necessarily been

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a breach of the law in this case,

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fly-tipping is a serious problem

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and costs local authorities across England

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around £45 million a year to clean up.

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If found guilty of the offence, an individual can be fined

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up to £50,000 and face up to

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12 months imprisonment.

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-Hello.

-Hello!

-Good morning. How are you?

-Are you all right?

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'The tenant's happy to show us around the flat,

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'but has asked that her face is not shown on camera.'

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Can you explain what's happened here? What's happened in this room?

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My landlord brought me this washing machine.

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The water is coming all around the floor and then we took up the carpet.

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So the washing machine leaked,

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-and what's happening here with the cookers?

-That's the old one.

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But we just bought this one cheaper. We use that one.

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'Claiming the landlord has failed to replace an existing faulty

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'cooker, the tenants have purchased and installed their own.

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'But without having access to professional advice,

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'have placed it in a potentially dangerous position.'

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If water gets under that, you could make this whole unit live.

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And you could be cooking away,

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you go to get some water and you could electrocute yourself.

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'Added to this, the flat also has a faulty window,

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'suffers from damp, the front door needs repairing

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'and the washing machine has caused a leak,

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'resulting in the damage to the carpet.

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'This is the responsibility of the landlord.

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'But one look around and it seems it's not just him

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'who's to blame for the state the flat's in.'

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-Are these your sofas, or did the landlord provide them?

-Landlord.

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-They are the landlord's?

-Yeah. Just...my dogs did this.

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-Your dogs have done that?

-Your dogs carried out the damage to the sofas.

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-Did you tell the landlord about that?

-He's coming.

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-He's seen all of this?

-Yeah.

-How many dogs?

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-You've got two, haven't you?

-Yeah.

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It's very cramped for two dogs on a first-floor flat.

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And obviously, I can see, the dogs have bitten the trunking.

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If your dog bites into that, it's not going to be a very happy dog.

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At the very worst, it'll kill it.

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As both tenants work during the day,

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their two dogs are left alone in the flat to their own devices.

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The landlord is here.

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It's difficult to see a way forward without him getting involved.

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I think he's just at the door now.

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-This is the landlord, Mr Hamid.

-Hi, there.

-How are you?

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-Not bad. Yourself?

-Yeah, good, thank you very much.

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When was the last time you were in this...?

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A couple of days, I think last week, when I phoned Richard.

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The state of the place had gone down.

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There was dog poo everywhere, the carpets were torn.

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We replaced it all, we done the best we could, Richard viewed it,

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the council came along, had a look. The best we could do.

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These people are not real.

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They're just taking liberties after liberties.

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I know my dogs are terrible, but I think...

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The settee's here, you can see. They're saying this is water damage.

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It's your fault, not the dogs' fault.

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They've got to get rid of the dogs.

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Did you know about the dogs when they moved in?

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No. They had them after.

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-You are a

-BLEEP! BLEEP!

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-This is what you get.

-I don't care.

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'It's a difficult case and tensions are rising.

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'So Richard tries to mediate between the two

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'and find a solution where both can be happy with the outcome.'

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Are there things you can do? Do you have friends with a larger house

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-that may be able to house your dogs in the day?

-Yeah.

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So, can you start doing that so that they're not in the house in the day?

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You only have the dogs here when you're here

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-and you can look after them.

-Yeah.

-That's a good step forward.

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Right, brilliant. OK.

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Where do we want this room to be?

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Because this should be carpeted.

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-Which it was.

-Which it was. It was fully carpeted.

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You can see the carpet outside which the dogs have torn.

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Somebody needs to dispose of that. Is it something you can do?

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-Can you get rid of that carpet away from there?

-Yeah.

-You can do that?

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-Yeah.

-OK. The issues we've got, we've got the front door

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and we've got that electric box there, OK?

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So Mr Hamid has kindly offered to resolve all those issues.

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-Are you happy with that?

-Yeah.

-Are you happy with that, Mr Hamid?

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I said to them first, I tried to negotiate, I said, "Don't worry.

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"What's happened has happened. Let's overlook it.

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"We'll get all this cleaned up and repainted free of charge."

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But they're not doing anything...

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-Move past that one. OK.

-You are a

-BLEEP!

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-Come on, guys.

-This is what we get, you see?

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(I don't know how he's doing this.

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(It's like two people who are at each other

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(and he's gradually picking apart individual bits

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(that can be resolved by one side or the other.)

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'The discussion reaches a bit of a stall, so Richard takes

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'the landlord outside and I have a go at mediating with the tenant.'

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Now, OK, maybe he knew the dogs were coming in, maybe he didn't know.

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-That's history.

-Yeah.

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OK? But I can see that a lot of this problem is caused by the dogs.

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-So that's your responsibility.

-Yeah.

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If you can do your half, then we can ask him to do his half.

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-I don't believe him.

-But Richard is now on the case.

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Just let's give him the chance to sort these things out.

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Yeah? And then YOU need to sort the dogs out.

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'Both sides eventually agreed to do their bit to bring the flat

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'back up to a decent living standard.'

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We can start again today.

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-Are you going to shake hands? Can we do that?

-I'm willing to.

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I'm sure I can do this. SHE LAUGHS

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-There we go.

-No problem. Fantastic.

-Excellent.

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'Goes to show that being a good housing officer

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'is not just about laying down the law.

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'Diplomacy was the winner here.'

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Richard, I thought that was masterly on your part.

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Because it was all getting a bit heated, wasn't it?

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Hopefully, we've managed to get control of the situation

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and try and get some responsibility from both parts.

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Because it is a 50/50 thing.

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So if we can get them in a better relationship with each other,

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everyone's a winner.

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It's all to play for.

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'But coming up, things go from bad...'

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What's causing that smell?

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'..to worse.'

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Can we just stop a sec? Is that all right?

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We're in Needham Market with Community Housing Officer

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Andrew Weavers.

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He's on his way to an address in the nearby town of Stowmarket,

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after receiving a complaint about one of his tenants.

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This is a gentleman that I've dealt with in the past at various

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addresses and lo and behold, every single address that he's been

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to, we've had complained that he's running a car repair business.

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Because it happens throughout various times of the day

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and in the evening, it causes a little bit of grief for neighbours.

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I'm just going to go and talk to him and remind him

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about his responsibilities as a council tenant.

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The rules of the council's tenancy mean that residents aren't allowed

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to run any kind of business from their home without prior consent.

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I can see there is no cars there at the moment.

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Before Andrew meets with the tenant, he wants to check

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for signs that could show that the house is being used to repair cars.

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Plenty of oil on the path.

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Cars are rocked up on the grass there,

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I would imagine at some point.

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It looks like nobody's home, but the neighbour directly opposite

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has seen Andrew arrive and wants to talk to him about the noise.

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-Do you want to have a quick chat with me?

-Come in.

-Is that all right?

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Yeah, fine.

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Obviously, had a complaint about car repairs and noise.

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-It's been going terrible.

-How has it been affecting you?

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-What was the worst incident?

-Banging and crushing and everything.

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I go to bed at eight o'clock, you see, I'm in this bedroom here.

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-I live right opposite.

-Is it causing you noise at night?

-Yep.

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To be honest, my problem is, over time,

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I have never really been able to, you know, get enough evidence

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to prove that he's running a car business.

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I have heard complaints of other people,

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but because he's my grandson... I didn't...

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Ah, it turns out there's no-one quite like Grandma

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when it comes to complaining about neighbourhood nuisance.

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I think they've had some kind of family row.

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-It's a difficult situation, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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-Because you've had a fallout...

-Yeah.

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Were you pleased, I guess, when he first moved over the road?

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Oh, I said, "It won't be too bad, you'll be able to help

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"Grandad out because he's getting older and I can't do

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"my garden like I used to, I want some work done and I will pay you."

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It started out all right.

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This isn't your average neighbourly dispute.

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While they've been talking,

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Andrew has noticed that the grandson has returned home.

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He's now even more curious to hear the other side of the story.

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ANDREW COUGHS

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-Hello, Ben?

-Yes.

-Do you remember me?

-Yes.

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I think I've dealt with you at various addresses, haven't I,

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about cars?

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-Wherever you go, I get complaints. I'm getting some more now.

-Really?

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Complaints about car repairs, selling cars.

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Is it, by any chance, my gran, who lives at number 22?

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I've had a word with your gran, but she's not the complainant,

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but when I saw it was you, alarm bells rang

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because I've dealt with you in the past.

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I've got to ask you again,

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are you running a business from your council property?

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-Unfortunately not, no.

-You do repair cars?

-I do fix my own cars.

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If there is a weekly turnover of cars

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and there's a noise nuisance, I am going to have to keep an eye on it.

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Anyone that has made a complaint, I will be asking them to fill out

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what we call incident log sheets and I'm encouraging people to

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tell me how many cars and registration numbers.

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Then I've got to look to put an evidence pack together

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and talk to you about it.

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It is a weekly turnover of cars.

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That car there is probably my third car since the beginning of January.

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It's quite... Yeah.

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I'm perfectly within my right to change my cars, you know what I mean?

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But how many times do you change them?

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-Quite a lot, because that's what I do.

-Weekly?

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I would say weekly, yeah.

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Some people might think that is a bit of a clever way...

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That is my business and not their business.

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You're almost disguising a business running from your council property.

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Even though you say it's not a business, you keep registering cars.

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-If it was a business, I'd be rich.

-It's not just your rights,

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it's everyone else's rights to a quiet and peaceful life, you know?

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If you are a nuisance to your neighbours,

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it's my job to take action against your tenancy.

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To be totally honest with you, I can let you know every car I've got

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and when I get them, if it helps you.

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It might help over the next few weeks, because that way,

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you're working with me and any complaint I get,

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I can marry them up and I can see how bad it really is

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and it just shows that we're working together.

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-So, yes, that would be really handy.

-I can do that.

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It'll come out in the wash that you're not causing a problem

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-if that's the case.

-OK.

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Sorry we've had to meet again under these circumstances.

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-Like you said, you're only doing your job.

-Indeed.

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I'm only doing mine. BOTH LAUGH

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All right, then, fella.

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It seems that Andrew has clearly stumbled upon an ongoing

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family disagreement, but that to one side,

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there are complaints that will need further investigation.

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Well, just the one car but it's his way of getting around it

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is by changing his car every week.

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Because they're his car for a period of time.

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I don't want to classify it as a business, but I would say that

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if people are making complaints, there's a reason for that.

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If he's causing a genuine nuisance, then I have to evidence it

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and that's not going to be easy because, like he says, it's a

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hobby and I've got to try and work out,

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when does a hobby become a nuisance and vice versa?

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Andrew came to deal with a noisy neighbour,

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but sometimes you end up with much more than you bargained for.

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I didn't expect to be a go-between, between a family argument. Oh, dear.

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'Back in Sandwell,

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'Housing Standards Officer Richard Hawkins is returning to the

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'scene of some masterly mediating between landlord and tenant.'

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-You are a

-BLEEP!

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This is what you get.

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(I don't know how he's doing this.)

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So we're heading back to Trafalgar Court today

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to have a look at the flat we visited last week just to see

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if any of the repairs have been carried out.

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The landlord's given me some indication that a plumber's

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been around to deal with the toilet, so hopefully, that's been resolved.

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The visit will also give him the chance to see if the tenants have

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upheld THEIR end of the bargain by cleaning up, disposing of

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the ruined carpet and making sure

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their dogs aren't left alone in the flat.

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I'm pretty confident that this should be

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resolved in an amicable way.

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But almost immediately, Richard's optimism fades.

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Right. The carpet's still here.

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It's one of the things we did ask the tenants to do.

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BARKING

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The dogs are in, so I'm hoping the tenants are in, as well.

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Otherwise, they've left the dogs again.

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On this visit, Richard can't access the property,

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so it's not clear if the dogs are in distress.

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Switched off.

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It's not great. Not great at all.

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A week later, and Richard has had complaints from the landlord

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that the workmen aren't able to access the flat

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to carry out the repairs he'd promised.

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Determined to resolve this case,

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Richard's again heading back to the flat.

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The landlord's been quite good, he sent me e-mails

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copied in from the plumber he's had out.

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So I know the landlord has made an effort to carry out repairs.

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So hopefully, we'll get in to have a look at what's been done.

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Here we are again with the same carpet out the front.

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It's been two weeks now

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since the tenants promised to remove the old carpet.

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The sight of it dumped outside the flat isn't getting any prettier.

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RICHARD KNOCKS ON DOOR

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BARKING

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-Hello.

-Hello.

-I'm here to just have a look at some of the repairs,

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see what your landlord's been up to.

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Finally, Richard's in, but almost immediately,

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there's a problem he can't ignore.

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So, that's no longer leaking?

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INDISTINCT

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OK.

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What's causing that smell?

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The smell is so bad that only two minutes after entering the flat,

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the film crew's forced to leave.

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Richard joins them outside to explain the problem.

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Wow! That was very potent.

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I think I'm just going to go and get a bit of fresh air.

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Can we just stop a sec? Is that all right?

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Whenever it's a smell from animals, animal faeces and things like that,

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it's something that really chokes the back of your throat.

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It's difficult to really operate and kind of conceal that.

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You just have to come out.

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And unfortunately, that's what we had to do today.

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When the landlord arrives,

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they try again to arrange a date for workmen to carry out repairs.

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So we can get in to get the repairs done, we've got...

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-What are the two dates?

-Sunday. Oh!

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A-huh!

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Sunday, or Monday 23rd.

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Which one would you prefer?

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-Sunday?

-Sunday, yeah.

-The Sunday. Can you make sure you let them in?

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Because if you don't, I can't help you.

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-All right.

-OK?

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And now, I must say, I'm standing here now,

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I can smell a really strong smell from the dogs.

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You'll get complaints from neighbours.

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And if that happens, the council will have to do something about it.

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-Thank you for your time.

-All right.

-Bye-bye.

-Thank you.

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RICHARD COUGHS

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Right, well, thanks for that, Mr Hamid.

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No problem at all. Thank you once again.

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-So you're going to get the repairmen out for those bits.

-Yeah.

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I understand the problems you've got with that property,

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I've seen and smelt it for myself today.

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I'm going to do what we can to help you with that and hopefully,

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we'll try and get things sorted.

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I'm happy the council can see what's going on and what the real

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issues are and they're going to do something about it.

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Because it's a health environment issue, the way they're living.

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So it's nothing to do with the landlord, we can only do so much.

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It's the way these people are living.

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It's about time the council see it's the tenants and not the landlords.

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For Richard, enough is enough.

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It's in my mind, filthy and verminous,

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which basically means it's going to be a risk to human health.

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It could be encouraging vermin, it's unhygienic.

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That's unacceptable in my mind,

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so it's something that's going to push towards a notice

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and perhaps enforcement against the tenants, unfortunately.

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Sometimes, the conditions that tenants find themselves living in

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make you really feel sorry for them.

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But in other cases, like this one,

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it's easier to see the landlord's point of view.

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He's shown real patience dealing with this property's

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disgusting condition.

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The latest report suggests the tenant has cleaned up,

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so that's good news, but they're still behind with the rent.

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So, for Mr Hamid, the situation still isn't sorted.

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For many people, the job of a housing officer is to help them

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find a home and keep it for as long as possible.

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But sometimes they find themselves going beyond the call of duty

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for those tenants who might need a bit of extra support.

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In Swale, in Kent, I'm working with Housing Options Officer

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Hannah Holdstock.

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She's been keeping an eye on

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21-year-old social housing tenant Albert for the last three years.

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'He was in care

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'until he turned 18.'

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His placement in foster care ended,

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so he had to come into us as homeless.

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So he got housed, and then that should be the end of our

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kind of involvement with him.

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But a year or so later, we found out he wasn't coping,

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he'd got into rent arrears.

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He'd...his electric had been cut off,

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he had no gas or electric.

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He wasn't paying his water bill...

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You know, he wasn't coping, and there was no support there for him,

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so we've had to sort of go back in and help him

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sort out his rent arrears, which we have now done, thankfully.

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We've managed to sort those out, which is

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the main priority for us, because it keeps the roof over his head.

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Albert's dream is to join the Army.

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He's applied once but failed the medical.

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Until it is time to reapply,

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Hannah wants to make sure he maintains his tenancy

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and can cope with all the stuff that comes with running a home.

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It is about getting him to take responsibility and remembering when he has to sign on,

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remembering when he has to pay his bills.

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You know, we can't do that for him, we have to

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help him do that for himself.

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Although he is currently on benefits,

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Albert is desperate to find a job to tide him over for the next few months.

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I'm keen to find out how his search is going.

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It is hard.

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I think I've handed my CV into every shop in Sittingbourne.

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There's only so many shops you can hand your CV into.

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HE SIGHS

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But everything is coming up dry at the minute, so...

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Yeah.

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-I just need to keep trying.

-It does feel like you are very stressed out

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and you're very negative about...

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All I've wanted to do since I was...

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..since I was a boy, was to join the Army.

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I came to realise it was a lot of... there was

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a lot of bad things in the world.

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I thought I might be able to make a change, I might be able to stop it.

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Just from joining the Army. I know I'm only one person but...

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that's why I want to join the Army.

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Everything at the moment just seems to be based around stress.

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How to relieve the stress.

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I don't even know why Hannah is helping me, to be honest.

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-Why do you think she's helping you?

-I don't know, she doesn't have to.

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And neither do any of the other girls at the council.

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None of them have to help me, they just do.

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It's a good job because judging by his chaotic pile of post,

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Albert is still having trouble organising himself.

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-Should we have a look through that?

-Yeah.

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-Has this been dealt with, all this?

-Yes, that's stuff Hannah has actually...

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-Have I gone through all that already?

-Sorted it, piled it.

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-I just need to throw it away, I'll move it.

-OK.

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'It looks like paying bills hasn't been at the top of Albert's

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'to-do list.'

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-OK, your TV licence has been cancelled.

-Yeah.

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-OK, we need to sort that out, then, don't we?

-OK.

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Have you got any of your money left?

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No, not at all.

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How is your electric?

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-What's...

-I've got about £2 on there.

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-What about your gas?

-There is no gas.

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-You still haven't got any gas?

-No.

-OK.

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Is that because... Is that a meter as well, have you got a gas meter?

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I just can't afford it.

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There's no doubt a lack of money is an issue.

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That's why Albert is so keen to find some work.

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This is all just stuff to earn a little bit of money,

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-just until I get into the Army.

-Yeah.

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I've failed a medical.

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I was 2st overweight or something.

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But I'm going to try and get another selection out of the way,

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this time next year.

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'Until then, Albert needs to keep his head above water,

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'so Hannah's help is clearly invaluable.'

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However you look at it, the job of a housing officer

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is as much about people as it is about property.

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And thanks to Hannah and the team at the council,

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I think Albert's going in the right direction.

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I'm sure there is a lot of people who are watching this.

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Their attitude would be just to say, sort yourself out.

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You know, does that approach work, ever, with somebody like Albert,

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where you just go, "Listen, mate,

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"you're 21 years old, grow up, sort yourself out."

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I don't think that works, because in a lot of cases,

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especially someone like Albert, he will just sink lower and lower.

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He's never had that opportunity to learn how to live on his own.

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He's never had, you know, he's never been able to grow to that point,

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so, how can I then just say, "You're 21, deal with it yourself"?

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Realistically, what's going to happen to Albert?

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Is he going to get on top of his bills?

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Is he going to be in a place where he can look at letters

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-falling on the mat and not fear them any more?

-I hope so.

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That's my aim, that's what I want to achieve.

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Well, a few weeks after our visit,

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it seems Albert has gone off the radar.

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I haven't actually heard from Albert since we went round there.

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I've tried to call him just to see how things are going.

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Haven't been able to get through to him.

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My role is housing, I know his rent's being paid,

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I know he's keeping a roof over his head. That's the main thing, for me.

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Unfortunately, this is sometimes what happens if people get the help

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that they need from us and then they make their way themselves after that.

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I'm sure he'll pop in.

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When something happens, when something goes wrong,

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not necessarily with rent or housing, he'll be in here

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and he'll ask for my help again and I'll do what I can.

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That's it for today.

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Join me next time on the front line with Britain's housing officers.

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