Episode 9 The Housing Enforcers


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The law says everyone has the right to a safe place to live...

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I worry about the fire risk here.

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..but for thousands of people across Britain right now,

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the reality can be more hovel than home.

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How many months ago was it we had this place cleaned?

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-The whole of that bit, though, is black with mould.

-Hello.

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In the battle between tenants and landlords...

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It's your fault, not the door's fault.

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-I don't care.

-This is what you get.

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-It's local housing officers...

-What's causing that smell?

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..who are on the front line.

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The son's come out with baseball bats and knives...

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'I'm Matt Allwright.'

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A lot of this problem is caused by the dogs.

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That's your responsibility.

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'I'm back on the job,

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'once again joining the ranks of the housing enforcers.'

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It's got that mouse smell.

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'They're tackling problem properties...'

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This feels like an accident waiting to happen.

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Dealing with the consequences of nightmare neighbours...

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So, I need to tell you that

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you're committing an offence under the Housing Act.

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..and doing their best to help those in need.

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What a good old boy.

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MAN YELLS

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Today, one council joins forces with the police...

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Show me your hands, show me your hands, keep your hands out.

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..to issue ultimatums to unruly tenants.

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-Oh, no, what now?

-It's a notice seeking possession.

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We catch up with one housing officer keeping a watchful eye on our landlords.

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You've had a few months to get this done now.

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I have been a bit busy. You've got to understand, I am running a business, as well, so...

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'I check into a bed-and-breakfast that's low on creature comforts.'

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This is rank. It doesn't feel right at all, this place.

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They say that an Englishman's home is his castle

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but if it's a rented castle,

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then it's the job of housing officers

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to make sure that it's a safe and decent place to live.

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Neighbours... everybody needs good neighbours,

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but what happens when a community is terrorised

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by tenants bent on antisocial behaviour?

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Cornwall is not what you might think.

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It isn't all ice creams and rugged coastline.

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Neighbourhood Enforcement Officer Karen Centini is investigating

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several families on a council estate who've been

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making their neighbours' lives a misery.

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The issues around the tenants have been

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ongoing drug and alcohol misuse around the property,

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antisocial behaviour...

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There's allegations of drug dealing, them being out with baseball bats

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and knives in the street, intimidating the neighbours.

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This depressing catalogue of crime

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has left other residents on the estate at breaking point,

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but many too scared to make official complaints to the council.

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-Hello.

-Hiya.

-Hello.

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At the local police station,

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Karen and fellow housing officer Donna McEvoy

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are keen to see footage of a recent police raid

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on one of the properties.

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MAN YELLS

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DOG BARKS

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-MAN:

-Show me your hands, show me your hands, keep your hands out!

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-Just show me, keep your hands out.

-WOMAN:

-Yeah, that's fine.

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I recognise the woman as one of our tenants.

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Oh, yeah, there's some cannabis down there,

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-what my partner just put there. My boyfriend did.

-OK, no problem.

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'If I stop that there,'

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I can show you a rough idea of what the house is like.

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There's the door, which has been... looks like it's been reinforced.

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It wasn't like that when you went in?

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No, it certainly wasn't like that when I went in.

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I think, looking at that, it's in probably worse condition now

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than when I originally went in.

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What, four weeks ago?

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Yeah, I've written and asked for it to be put right within 28 days.

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OK, so they've got 28 days to get all of that back to...

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Yeah, and then I have to... I will be back for another inspection.

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What do you reckon the chances are of that being put right in 28 days?

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I don't know. I don't know,

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-I shouldn't have thought so.

-Hmm, have to wait and see.

-Yeah.

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These raids didn't just capture a shocking level of squalor.

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PC Iain Madden and his colleagues

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found hard evidence of drug dealing, too.

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We recovered...

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You know, there's...there's money, a pair of digital scales...

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That was recovered at another address

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but there is a larger quantity of drugs that was recovered.

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-And they're all linked to our properties?

-Yes, they are.

-OK.

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It's not the first time these council tenants have been

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caught with drugs on the property, but this could be the final straw.

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I feel more confident now, working with the police, Donna...

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You know, it's a jigsaw.

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If we can get all of those pieces together, the evidence that we

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can present, ultimately, will give us possession of the property again.

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That evidence needs to include written statements

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from other council tenants nearby

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who've suffered because of these antisocial families.

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I've come to Cornwall to help Karen with her search for witnesses.

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You would think that people would complain about antisocial behaviour

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but actually, at the extremes of that behaviour,

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they won't want to come forward. They'll be too scared.

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-Right.

-Now, I would have thought that is one of those things

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that was going to limit you or make it difficult to do the job.

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That is a major issue with long-term, ongoing ASB

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that's not been dealt with in the past, or...

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You know, the police have been attending

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lots and lots of times, then the community lose faith.

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-SIREN WAILS

-One neighbour who has been at

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the sharp end of all this antisocial behaviour has agreed to talk to us,

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on condition of anonymity.

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-Hello, there.

-Hello.

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Erm, so tell me a little bit about

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what's been happening around this house.

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Well, they smashed my windows, they smashed my door,

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all sorts I've had here. Gangs of boys outside.

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Abuse, everything.

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And you think that's because of those properties,

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-what's going on in there?

-Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, well, they get away with it, don't they?

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They just get away with it and I'm fed up with it.

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It sounds like they...

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They're giving you a fair deal of abuse,

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-from what you're saying.

-Yeah, yeah.

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-Does it make you feel afraid to be in your home?

-Yeah, it does.

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It does, yeah. It's going to get worse and worse, isn't it?

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You know, why should I take it?

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Would you leave this place if you could?

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I don't like to, but I would, yeah.

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I'm shaking, I am.

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-Are you all right, there?

-I'm shaking cos nothing gets done.

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I'm just boiled up inside, you know?

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I'm getting too old now.

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I can't take it, I just can't take it, you know?

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Yeah.

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Talking to this tenant has made me realise

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the devastating effect aggressive and intimidating behaviour can have

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on members of a community.

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But there's still work to do if the estate is going to be

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free of its antisocial element once and for all.

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We'll find out what happens a bit later on.

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-WOMAN:

-Oh, no, what now?

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-OK, so it's a notice seeking possession.

-Oh, for what?

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-Antisocial behaviour.

-I haven't done anything!

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In Allerdale in Cumbria,

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the town of Maryport was known for its mining and shipyard.

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It even boasts a view of the Scottish hills from its harbour.

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Housing officer Dean Hodgson is on his way to meet a landlord

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who is well known in the area.

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Today I am going to visit a flat that I inspected a few months ago.

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The property is owned by Bobby,

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who is one of our larger landlords in Allerdale.

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All that block is mine.

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That block there, that's all mine as well.

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This house here is one of mine.

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'Ex-market trader Bobby has been dabbling in property investment for more than 30 years.

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'He now owns over 40 different addresses in the area.'

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He's a colourful character.

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In January, I've had two doors kicked in... Three doors kicked in.

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They're £400 a door.

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He likes to complain a little bit.

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We need to make the means of escape a little bit better, OK?

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-At my expense again.

-Well, naturally.

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We have quite a good working relationship together.

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He's just doing his job, which is fine.

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The most important thing for us is tenant safety.

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Landlords don't always think of that.

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Sometimes they think of their wallet.

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'Dean has previously issued Bobby with an improvement notice on one of his flats in the town.

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'He discovered a number of safety issues that meant it didn't comply.'

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-Hi, Bobby, how are you doing?

-All right, yeah.

-Good, good.

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-So the first item on here is to make sure the fire alarm system is working.

-Right.

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So when I was here before, it wasn't actually working properly.

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-That has been done by the electrician.

-You had it...

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Well, as you can see, we've got new stuff there

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-so that's been done.

-'Next on the list is the fire door.'

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-We've had that done.

-You had that sorted, lovely.

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So it's got a self-closer on there

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and your smoke strips and seals on there as well so that's good.

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Bobby's hoping today goes well as he's got someone waiting to take on this one-bedroom flat.

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I've got a new tenant coming in here next week

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-who's come from some other housing association, a charity for homeless people.

-Right.

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They've come and inspected the property, they're happy with it and

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I said, "I am putting heating in." He said he loves the flat.

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Well, hopefully today's visit will confirm that the property is fine to let to someone.

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'In the living room,

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'Dean had a major concern surrounding the safety of the window.'

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Because the sill height was so low,

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the risk of someone falling out was quite high.

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-I've put the cage on as you can see now.

-Fantastic.

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OK, so do you want to go through the heating system?

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The storage heaters are going to cost me about £1,000 plus fitting.

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So when's that going to be fitted?

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Because you've had a few months to get this done now.

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I have been a little bit busy, Dean.

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I am running a business as well so this isn't my priority,

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I've got some other properties that I'm getting done or getting built or whatever.

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But technically you haven't complied with an improvement notice

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so the council does have the opportunity to prosecute you

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and there could be a fine of up to £5,000.

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Obviously we'd prefer not to go down that route

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-if you can get these fitted.

-I think I'd rather do a prison sentence!

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If you can get these fitted as soon as possible,

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then I'm sure there's no need for us to go down that route.

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It's getting done next week anyway, that's no problem.

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I feel as if it's your property, not mine, do you know that?

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I'd certainly say it's been a bit more of a stick rather than the carrot on this particular job,

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but we have a good working relationship with Bobby

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and we usually manage to resolve things in the end.

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It's just one of those things.

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You've just got to bear with it and do what you've got to do

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and keep them quiet, just get on with it.

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Complying with the council's request,

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soon after, a new heating system was properly installed.

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In Cornwall, a council housing estate has been

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plagued by antisocial behaviour for years.

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-MAN YELLS

-Now, after a series of police raids

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exposed drug activity on the part of several families...

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..the council want to take decisive action.

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In a bid to strengthen their case against the families,

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Housing officers Karen and Donna have been appealing to

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residents for help, but it hasn't been easy.

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Nobody will come forward,

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they...they certainly will not go to the police.

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This'll be the third time we've done this letter drop,

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and the police have done their own individual ones but they've had

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no response whatsoever, but we have had responses, haven't we?

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We have had responses.

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But in the letter this time, I've put, basically,

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"Without your help, we can't do anything."

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You know, just to stress that we need them.

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The 150 letters that Karen and Donna are delivering are calling on people

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to come forward if they've suffered from antisocial behaviour.

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OK, you've probably received

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one of these letters before.

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It's about antisocial behaviour on the estate.

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-MAN:

-You got five minutes, or no?

-Yes, yeah.

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Eventually, someone does agree to talk, although not on camera.

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What we're trying to do at the moment is we're trying to crack down

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-on the antisocial behaviour that's going on on this estate.

-Yes.

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What we want to know really is the impact, at the moment,

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that the families are having on you.

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There's one family here, they fight amongst themselves,

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and then everyone gets involved in it,

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and because you go out and say anything, you're the bad one.

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This tenant hasn't just experienced verbal abuse,

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his property has also come under attack.

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I think overall, there's about £2,500 worth of damage.

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-Did you report that to the police?

-Yeah.

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Do you know why they did that? Why did that happen?

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Did this family think, maybe, you'd said something to the police?

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Oh, naturally, of course, yeah, yeah.

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The retaliation is why people are afraid to come forward, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I feel that management in the Housing Department

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are not strong enough in their convictions.

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No good saying this, that and the other

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and not doing anything about it.

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-Hmm.

-Believe me, we are trying our best to stamp down

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on the antisocial behaviour on this estate but, as it says in my letter,

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I need some help from the tenants.

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We can't just do it on our own.

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The job of finding tenants willing to speak out

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against their antisocial neighbours isn't an easy task.

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For now, though, the drugs raids have given the council

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enough evidence to start the ball rolling, and a few days later,

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Karen has some news.

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Because there was a positive drugs warrant at more than one

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property, we're looking to serve a notice of seeking possession

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to all of those involved.

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Hopefully, we'll let the community know that we are taking action

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against people's tenancies, and we're not going to tolerate

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behaviour such as intimidation, drug dealing,

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and violence on the estate.

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Because of all of the previous antisocial behaviour,

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the drug use, and what we know about the occupants of the property,

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we're taking the police with us.

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Dozens of incidents of antisocial behaviour have been traced back

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to the first council property.

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It's thought that the mother, the partner,

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and her adult children are involved.

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I'm serving you with a notice seeking possession...

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-Yup, OK.

-..property on grounds on grounds of antisocial behaviour.

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-There's one for you, and one for

-BLEEP.

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-Yup, right, yup, I'll get my solicitor onto it.

-OK.

-OK.

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That went quite well, at the minute, so we're going to...

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The second property's... Let's hope that goes just as well.

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This next house was also subject to a drugs raid,

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and members of the family have a long list of offences

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to their names, including violence and intimidation.

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-Is your wife in?

-BLEEP.

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Shall I knock, or...?

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-Hello.

-Hello.

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Oh, no, what now?

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OK, so it's a notice seeking possession.

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-Oh, for what?

-Antisocial behaviour.

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I haven't done anything!

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-It's all in there.

-You've got to be kidding, Donna.

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DOG BARKS OK? You need to read the notice,

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as it is... It's ongoing antisocial behaviour.

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-It details it all in there.

-That's every year with him.

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Go in and read it, OK?

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It's a notice that we may take you to court to seek possession.

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The tenants' adult son has been responsible for many

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of the incidents, with his parents claiming he's out of control.

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-MAN:

-He wants to get his own place.

-WOMAN:

-He's been trying for a year,

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but we've only just managed to sort his money out,

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been in appeal for a year.

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-DONNA:

-To be totally honest, can he sustain a tenancy?

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-MAN:

-I don't know. Only one way to find out, isn't there?

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The thing is, that if he stays there, and this behaviour continues,

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and there's more after today, we will be taking him to court.

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-WOMAN:

-He's not going to change.

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Can't kick him out on the street, can I?

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You have got choices.

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-Yeah, all right, OK...

-Bye.

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The tenant is putting most of the blame on their son,

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so they're saying, if their son leaves, things will improve,

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but it's really difficult to get them to understand

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that they do have a choice.

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He's a man and they need to choose whether to decide to kick him out

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and keep their...keep her tenancy or whether she wants to support him

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and having them risk losing their tenancy.

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Which they will end up losing their tenancy over.

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The notices are finally served, and for Karen and Donna,

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it's the culmination of months of hard work.

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We sit in the office for weeks and weeks, collating all of this,

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it takes a lot of man-hours getting all this together,

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and then that piece of paper is in the door within two minutes.

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But you know, it's quite significant,

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cos it is the first legal step, so it's quite a significant thing,

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serving notice on the property.

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It's depressing, isn't it, when you book a room online

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and then find out you've got a view of the bins.

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What if it's dirty, unsafe, overcrowded and not even a B&B?

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In 2012-2013, there were over 27 million overseas and domestic overnight visitors to London.

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And with the growth of the online B&B trade,

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homeowners are increasingly tapping into what is a lucrative market.

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It's especially true in the London Borough of Newham.

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Home to the Olympics

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and an easy ride to the tourist sites of central London,

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Newham is Greater London's second-fastest-growing borough

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and the growth of unlicensed and frankly pretty dodgy B&Bs and hostels

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in residential neighbourhoods is becoming a real problem.

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This is...

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She might look like she's booking a room for a trip away.

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Actually she's investigating some of those unregulated businesses

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in what are supposed to be ordinary private homes.

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We're looking to protect our family housing stock here

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and by renting it out and the churn of people within properties like this isn't what we want.

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We have very few of these terraced properties available for family housing, they're all being split up

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and so it's houses like this that we need to protect.

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'It's 7am and I'm on a dawn raid with Megan and her team

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'to investigate a possible B&B or short-term let.'

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It has been reported as a B&B or short-term lettings.

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We've had a couple in this area and we can see them all online.

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It's just a matter of getting into them.

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They normally have a telephone number on the door and it says, "When you arrive, call this number."

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So they don't have necessarily a receptionist or anything like that so is not really like a B&B or a hotel.

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No services provided, occasionally there is a kettle in a room.

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This is again another level of licence

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that they should be playing by to be able to provide this.

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Yeah, and you'll have no tenancy agreements, no contract necessarily,

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very little security for anyone that will come and stay there.

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-So we need to get in and have a look.

-And the turnover is pretty great.

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-What about booking? We shouldn't book.

-No, we won't be making a booking today!

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SHE KNOCKS ON DOOR

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Good morning. Sorry to disturb you.

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I'm from the council. My name is Megan.

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I'm from the planning department. Is it all right if we come in and have a look, please?

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'None of the guests here were prepared to be on camera.'

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Sorry to disturb you, sorry. How did you book this? Was it online?

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OK, fantastic. And how long are you staying for?

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Until Sunday? And when did you arrive?

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OK, so it's almost a week. OK.

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'These kind of rooms are easily bookable online by anybody.

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'Click the wrong link while looking for a cheap stay in this part of London

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'and this is where you will end up.

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'It's a case of bed, but no breakfast.'

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-So this is a really weird setup.

-Very weird.

-What's going on here?

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This is quite a usual setup at the moment.

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-Really?

-And...

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They book online and the landlord will change the property

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or it could possibly be sublet as well and they'll advertise online

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and all they'll provide is a telephone number for guests to call

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and they may ring them at night and come down and let them in

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and that will be the last they hear of it.

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They'll stay their week and then leave.

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This is, what, people coming in and doing bits of work or holidays?

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A mixture of both, to be honest. I've been to the reviews online.

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Some of them have come for business,

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some of them have come for a week trip,

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-for a weekend trip, and various reviews, most of them bad.

-But then...

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This is one of the worst properties I've seen for a hotel booking.

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-But this is a business we've got here.

-This is a business.

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This is not a home, this is a hotel/B&B/hostel sort of arrangement.

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-There doesn't seem to be anybody in charge here.

-No, there isn't, no.

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For hotels and other booking places like that,

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they have to get their own planning permission and this is not run like that.

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(This is rank. It's really...)

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(It doesn't feel right at all, this place.)

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SHE KNOCKS ON DOOR

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Good morning, sorry to disturb you.

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How long have you been staying in your room for?

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Three days? And are you here on holiday?

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As a tourist in London?

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How long are you planning on staying here?

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Moscow, OK.

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'This place seems to be in breach of so many regulations.

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'In this case, B&B must mean bad and badder.'

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This is not something we want.

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-This is someone trying to turn a fairly shonky house...

-Into a profit.

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..into a business with five rooms and nobody with overall control day and night.

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-No, no.

-Right, OK. That's an eye-opener.

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-Yes.

-Next time I book online, I will remember this place.

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-Good, bear it in mind.

-Thank you.

-No worries.

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It's not clear whether the landlord or the tenant was responsible for this bed-and-breakfast setup.

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But this place won't be making it into any tourist guides any time soon.

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I've been on dawn raids and house visits.

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Now I'm going to get a slice of life

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behind the public counter here in Stevenage.

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Of course, before anything happens,

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before any housing officers can go off in their cars to sort anything else out,

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there has to be some kind of contact,

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either a complaint or a notification

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and that all takes place in there. So today, that's where we are going.

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'This is the borough council's customer services centre,

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'operated by 23 full-time staff.

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'People come here with a range of issues

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'from rubbish collections to council tax payments and benefits.

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'A big slice of these visits are people seeking housing help and advice.

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'Right on the front line of client support is...'

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And you don't know when they come through the door

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-exactly what it is you're going to be faced with.

-That's right.

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There must be occasions when people come in and they're genuinely,

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you know, this is the first port of call when they're desperately in need.

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That's right. We only deal with the first part of it

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and then we would ring through to the relevant departments

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to somebody more trained in that area to carry it further.

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And you literally get people rocking up here with suitcases?

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Yeah, it's happened, yeah.

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'This is Catherine Heywood, here with her baby daughter, Ruby.

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'Her first problem is a bit of missing correspondence.'

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We received a letter last month.

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My partner brought it in on roughly 15th of November

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and handed it to the gentleman at the front.

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This is saying that it wasn't received. It's not the first time it's happened to me.

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No, we've had a few of these and they've gone out in error to people that have.

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'But the real issue is simple - overcrowding.'

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It was quite distressing this morning because we are stuck in a two-bedroom house

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and my boys just bounce off each other every night,

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they have different sensory needs at bedtime.

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One needs a little quiet DVD or a radio

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and the other one needs nothing but a book and I'm catering for that in one room.

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It's not easy.

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Do you have any letters proving that,

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from social workers or anything like that, just saying...

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No, it's just what we've read on the website that stated that anybody who is disabled

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is entitled to their own bedroom, and as far as I'm aware, that's for most councils.

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'Catherine and her family currently live here in a two-bedroom property.

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'The problem is they're a family of five.'

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Right, well, we've got two boys in here.

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The one that sleeps here is nine and a half,

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the one that sleeps there is seven.

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Both the boys have special needs.

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We have one with core autism and one with autism.

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They've got completely opposite sensory needs.

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In turn, them being in the room together,

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they bounce off each other other's attitudes

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and hyperness all night and they're awake very late every night.

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And it's quite difficult.

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We can't separate them, we can't make life easier for one than the other.

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They're stuck in here, there's nothing we can do.

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'It's clear Catherine is keen to have her sons' medical conditions reclassified

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'in the hope it will improve her housing priority.'

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Where do you feel you are now?

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We feel we should have been further along the housing chain than we are now.

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'However, it's not all hopeless for Catherine and her family,

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'as lettings manager Richard Mitchell explains.'

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They've been moved from band E to band C so they've got higher priority.

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Previously, they would have been further down the list.

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Now they are higher up the list.

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The new problem we're going to have with them

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is they now need a property that we have very few stock of.

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Four-bedroom homes,

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we only have maybe four or five that become available a year.

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Her wait could be months or maybe years.

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'So Catherine's case is moving forward, albeit very slowly.

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'For some tenants, coming in to the customer service centre might be an unnecessary hassle,

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'but not for Catherine.'

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A lot of stuff can be done online now,

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but you choose to come in personally and do this face-to-face.

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I prefer face-to-face because then I'm speaking to a person.

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I don't like having a chat with a computer.

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-You'd always prefer to do it this way, face-to-face with human beings.

-Yes, definitely.

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'Catherine has now been successful in her appeal

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'and is on the waiting list for a four-bedroomed house.

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'Fingers crossed it won't be too long before her family get the space they need.'

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That's it for today.

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Join me next time, when I'll be learning more about what it takes to be a front-line housing officer.

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