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I've had an interesting life.

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Coal miner,

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forklift truck driver,

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bricklayer,

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factory production line worker,

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fireman.

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I've lived rough on the streets of London and Paris.

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But now I've got a new job.

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As a Queen's Counsel barrister,

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I know the law inside out.

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I've prosecuted and defended

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some of the UK's most serious criminals,

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but the life I've led means I know the world can be a tough place.

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At some points, we've all felt ripped off,

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cheated or conned.

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It's frustrating, costly and stressful.

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But I know consumers can fight back and get justice.

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I'm not here to represent anyone.

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But what I want is to empower you

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to use the law to get what you are owed.

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'Today I'll be helping a mother who believed she was misled

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'into wasting £1,500 on a worthless modelling portfolio.'

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-It's two tacky pieces of paper.

-Exactly.

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With names and e-mail addresses on.

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But first a narrow-boater whose dreams of a new life

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on the waterway were shattered.

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I was told to leave the marina immediately.

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I'm going to help both of these women

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work out how they've been cheated

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and show them how they can use the law

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to get back what they're owed.

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There are 2,000 miles of canals and rivers in the UK

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used by over 34,000 boats.

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And the proud owner of one of them is Sue Williams.

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She is a civil engineer from Surrey and she loves narrow boats.

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Narrow-boating is a way of life.

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It's the independence.

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You just choose where you want to live and how you want to live it.

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When circumstances changed in her personal life,

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Sue decided to make a whole new start.

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She sold her house in Surrey

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and used the money to buy her very own narrow boat, My Lady.

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It was going to be a big step, but I like challenges.

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Sue's plan was to live aboard her boat full-time,

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so she needed to find a permanent mooring to give her a base.

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Fully equipped marinas offer mains water, electricity

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and wi-fi broadband.

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But there's a shortage of good moorings,

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and many of the best marinas have a long waiting list.

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So Sue was thrilled when she found an ad for a brand-new

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state-of-the-art marina called Barby Moorings Ltd.

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There was going to be a restaurant, cafe, shop, chandlery.

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And I thought, "This will work out well."

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Sue is a keen gardener, and when she read that

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there would be bank-side moorings with garden plots available

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it made the marina look even more attractive.

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The site was still being developed, so she paid £400-deposit

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to secure her place for when it was done.

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And, as her plot was to have a garden,

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she put all her garden furniture into storage.

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But, as the months went past, the project was continually delayed.

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Eventually, Sue was promised

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the marina would be ready by the autumn of 2011.

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Full of hope and anticipation,

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she set out on the 100-mile trip to move her boat to its new home.

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At every stage, she was reassured by the marina owner

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that everything would be finished in time for her arrival.

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But, when she finally arrived, Sue's heart sank.

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The marina was like a minefield.

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It was just steel coming out of the ground.

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I had nothing.

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Sue now realised that the facilities promised

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on the Barby Moorings website just weren't there.

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I just thought, "God! What have I done?!"

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SHE LAUGHS

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"What have I done?"

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The next morning, Sue went to complain to site owner Tony McMaster.

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She was in for her second shock.

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He said, "Get out of my marina!"

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And he wouldn't say anything else, just, "Get out, get out."

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Came round the table and physically intimidated me

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out of the door.

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Because there were no facilities and she'd been evicted,

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Sue's new life at Barby Moorings was over.

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She was now homeless with nowhere to moor her boat.

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It still upsets me.

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This was a new start for me, literally.

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You know, my whole future went in just that one thing he said -

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"Get out!"

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Sue has now found a new berth for My Lady

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on another marina, but she wants Barby Moorings

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to refund her all the money she spent moving her boat.

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Sue clearly feels she was misled by the advertising of Barby Moorings

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and, as the facilities that were promised weren't there,

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it's not difficult to see her point.

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In law, if a company makes you promises,

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they should keep to them or face the consequences.

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I'll be seeing Sue later to help her with her case.

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Brighton, home to mother and daughter Nicki and Jan Koutris.

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My name's Nicki, I'm 20.

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My mum's called Jan.

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Nicki's my first-born.

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We go out together sometimes.

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We go shopping together and coffee together.

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When Nicki was on the lookout for work,

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she came across a website called Candi Models.

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They said they had experts in modelling

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who could help you become a model.

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Nicki followed the instructions on the site

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and sent Candi Models a photograph of herself.

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She was soon called back with some good news.

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They phoned me one morning.

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They said I was stunning, very photogenic,

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and they said I had been selected

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out of about 700 people.

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They wanted me to go up to London.

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Nicki and Jan were invited to an address in North London

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for a test shoot at a company called Mint Brown Studios.

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We were seen quite quickly.

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Nicki was made up and she worked very well with the photographer.

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He kept saying I was doing really well,

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giving me really good feedback.

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After the shoot, Nicki and Jan

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were shown the photos by a female member of staff.

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She said, "I'm pleased to tell you you've passed."

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I was just so shocked that they thought I could be a model.

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She made me believe that I stood out from the rest

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and that I had a really good chance of becoming a big model.

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And then came the shock.

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Jan was told that if Nicki wanted to be a model

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she'd need to pay for an extensive portfolio of photographs.

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I hadn't gone with the intention of buying anything.

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They offered Jan a portfolio,

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an online version they called a "webfolio"

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and a £400-list of modelling agencies.

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Making a total of £1,800.

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My heart sank. I had so much anxiety,

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I was thinking, "This is a lot of money, my mum can't afford it."

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It was what the sales assistant said next

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that led Jan to make a decision.

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What she actually said that sold it to me...

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was that the minimum amount of money that you can make

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per assignment is £1,000.

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And we gasped.

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I was thinking that

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the money that my mum was going to pay out for all these photos

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and portfolio and everything, I could earn back easily

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with just a couple of photo shoots.

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That's what sold it to me. On the spot, like that.

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And I fell for it.

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Nicki soon started to apply to the agents on the list

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her mother had bought.

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One of the first agents she contacted

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called her in for a chat to look at Nicki's photos.

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And he looked at them, at the photographs,

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and he said,

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"You've been to Mint Brown Studios, Candi Models."

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And he said, basically, we've been scammed.

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My stomach sank.

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He said that he would have preferred for me

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to have taken some snapshots at home and just sent those photos.

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I feel embarrassed

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that I've allowed myself to be taken in like this.

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They lied to us, and to our faces

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to get all this money out of us, and it's just worthless.

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Jan is so unhappy she wants her money back.

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The reason I want every single penny

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from Candi Models/Mint Brown

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it's because it's based on a lie.

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And I don't want to give a penny of my money

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to something that's a complete scam.

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Jan is clearly upset that she's been persuaded to buy something

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based on the promises of the salesperson

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that she now feels were misleading.

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If she wants to get her money back she may need to prove that,

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and later I'll be there to help her.

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Back now to Sue Williams,

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who spent most of her savings moving her narrow boat to a new marina

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she thought had a whole host of mod cons.

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Only it didn't.

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Sue feels she was made promises by the owner that were misleading

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and now wants her money back.

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I need to know more about what Sue thought

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she was getting for her money.

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'I'm hoping that, with my advice and help,

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'Sue can resolve this problem for herself,

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'and maybe get some money back.'

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-Sue, Gary Bell.

-Hi, Gary.

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This is what they call a narrow boat, then, is it?

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Shall we go on board and get out of the wind, Gary?

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-Do you think I'll fit on that, Sue?

-Mind your head.

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It's not my height I'm worried about, Sue, it's my width.

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You'll be fine, breathe in.

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This is lovely, Sue, isn't it?

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-Yup.

-There's plenty of height.

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-Yes, it's not too bad.

-You have a nice little galley here.

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-I have.

-Just like any other kitchen.

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'Before I get carried away

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'and talk myself into moving on to a narrow boat,

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'I think I should find out for myself exactly

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'what happened to Sue at Barby Moorings.'

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So you decided you were going to sell your house...

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-Yup.

-..and buy a boat.

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-Yup.

-And live on the boat?

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-Yup.

-With all the freedom that entails?

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Yes.

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And you looked for a perfect place to moor your boat.

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-I did.

-And it was cheaper to live in the Midlands

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-than it was in London.

-Yup.

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So you found this place in Barby

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-that promised the Earth and more.

-Yes.

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'Sue has kept copies of the original advertising leaflets

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'put out by Barby Moorings,

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'and it certainly looks like a blissful place to live.'

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-Was there a laundrette?

-No.

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-Were there showers?

-No.

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-Was there pump-out?

-Just about.

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-Diesel?

-Yes.

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-Wired internet?

-No.

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-Wired Freeview TV?

-No.

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-Electrical power?

-12 hours a day.

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-So not quite as described?

-No.

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So, presumably, you had a word with Mr McMaster about the fact

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that the facilities were far less than had been promised?

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I didn't even get an apology, nothing.

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-Nothing from him at all?

-No, all he wanted was his money.

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After she was evicted from the marina,

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Sue received a letter from the owner, Tony McMaster,

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claiming he'd been forced to evict her

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because she'd breached his terms and conditions

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during their argument in his office.

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"On the afternoon of the 11th November,

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"at the office of the company,

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"within the bounds of the company property,

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"your use of offensive language, threatening behaviour..."

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which is misspelt,

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"..and attempted physical violence towards an officer of the company

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"constitutes a serious, irremediable breach of licence.

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"The company terminates the license forthwith,

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"and you are required to remove the vessel

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"from the marina immediately."

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I'm very surprised, Sue.

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I mean, I've met you today, and you seem as nice as pie, but...

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-SHE LAUGHS

-..to know that your physical violence,

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your threatening behaviour, your offensive language...

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-There's clearly a dark side to you(!)

-Yeah!

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SHE LAUGHS

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'Joking aside, Sue denies that she acted in this way.

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'She says she is now seriously out of pocket

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'and wants to claim back all the costs she's incurred in the move.

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'The main elements of the claim are

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'£400 for the deposit,

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'£300 for the fuel to bring her boat to Barby,

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'and there is also £1,496 for the storage of garden equipment

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'that Sue planned to use on the bank side plot

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'once she was settled in.

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'In total, she's claiming £2,648 -

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'well within the small claims limit.'

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'Sue has already sent numerous letters

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'requesting a refund from Barby Moorings, and got nowhere.'

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I think the important thing is to write him a letter before action,

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explaining to him what it is that you're claiming off him.

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-Yeah.

-And explaining that you will go to court

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if he doesn't pay up within 14 days.

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'The first step on the road to getting her money back

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'is to notify Barby Moorings that she means business.

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'Then, set a deadline and give them every chance to pay up.

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'This is something that every claimant must do.'

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'Sue's letter needs to clearly explain

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'why and what she is claiming,

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'and how she's calculated these figures.'

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'With any luck, Tony McMaster will read this

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'and pay Sue Williams what she believes he has cost her.'

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'I'll be back to see Sue when the deadline is up.'

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Jan Koutris thought she was investing in a modelling portfolio

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to start her daughter's career on the advice of Candi Models.

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Only she soon discovered that

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the portfolio she'd been sold by Mint Brown Studios

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wasn't what any modelling agency was looking for.

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Before I go to meet Jan, I need to do some research

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into whether there's a link between Candi Models and Mint Brown Studios.

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A good place to start is to find out if they share any directors.

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Here's Candi Models, incorporated on the 20th of May, 2011,

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registered at an address in Henley-on-Thames.

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Next, Mint Brown Studios.

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Well, surprise, surprise.

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It was incorporated on the same date, registered at the same address

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in Henley-on-Thames by the same director, Nicholas Wood.

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So, Candi Models and Mint Brown Studios

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are both run by the same person,

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and operate out of the same converted North London warehouse.

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I think I'd better go and see Jan.

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By approaching this from a lawyer's perspective,

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I may be able to help Jan prove that she was misled

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and, therefore, she is entitled to get her money back.

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-Hi, Jan.

-Hello.

-Gary Bell.

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How many pictures have you got?

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We were told we needed 200 for a portfolio.

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Is that right?

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So you spend all this money on these very nice photographs

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of your very beautiful daughter,

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but they're utterly pointless to launch her as a model.

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Absolutely. Yeah.

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You don't need hundreds of photographs.

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You don't even need 50 photographs for a portfolio to be a model.

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All I needed, really, was a few photographs taken at home.

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So, in terms of launching a modelling career for Nicki,

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the portfolio, the web folio, the photographs,

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-and the list of modelling agencies is worthless?

-Worthless.

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So these magic beans are not going to grow into a beanstalk?

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Unfortunately, no.

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'Jan wants a complete refund.

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'That's £50 for the refundable deposit,

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'£400 for the list of modelling agencies,

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'and £1,350 for the portfolio,

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'making a total of £1,800.

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'I need to help Jan work out how she can get it.'

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Right, let's have a look at the paperwork and see what caused

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-you to pay £1,800 to Mint Brown Studios, London.

-OK.

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There isn't really much paperwork,

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but what Jan does have is quite revealing.

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This is an exclusive list of modelling agencies

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-that she was going to sell you for £400.

-Yeah.

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It's two tatty pieces of paper.

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-Exactly.

-With names and...

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And this is the information that Mint Brown Studios gave you

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when you booked to go up for the day, is that right?

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-Yes, it was, yeah.

-Well, let's have a look at what that says, then.

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-It's what they sent to us after paying the initial £50.

-Wonderful.

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"Thank you for choosing Candi Models to help

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"start your career in the modelling world.

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But the amazing opportunity is only given

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to a handful of successful candidates that have passed

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their selection process.

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So you thought that was an audition

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to see whether or not Nicki was going to be a model?

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Absolutely. 100%.

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-With Candi Models?

-Yes.

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The thing that sold it to me, the one thing,

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all the time I was thinking, "I can't afford it, can't afford it."

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And then, all of a sudden, she came up with another thing,

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a sales ploy, the minimum that you can earn per casting is £1,000.

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I thought, "A couple of castings, three castings,

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-"I'll get my money back, and then she'll..."

-You're in profit.

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Yeah, exactly. And that's what sold it to me.

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You know what they say, if it sounds too good to be true...

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-It probably isn't!

-It probably isn't.

-And it wasn't.

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'This is the key to her claim -

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'Jan thought her daughter Nicki was being auditioned

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'for a lucrative job as a model,

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'not just out to buy some nice pictures,

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'and the paperwork has given me an insight

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'into what is actually going on here.'

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The £400 model agency list that you're given,

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and the £1,350 that you paid for the photographs

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is all paid to Mint Brown.

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Who was the booking fee paid to? Do you know?

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That was paid to Mint Brown.

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-So, even the £50 booking fee was paid to Mint Brown?

-Yeah.

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Candi Models is the trap that Mint Brown sets

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to entice young girls to come with their parents

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-and cough up.

-Absolutely.

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I'm now convinced that Jan has a good case to ask for her refund,

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because she was misled by the salesperson

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and the product she bought isn't fit for purpose.

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First step is for Jan to simply call

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and ask one last time for her money back.

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I always think it's a good idea to ask in person -

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that is, if you can get through.

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It's busy. User busy.

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So, you've tried to call them now about ten times,

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-and every time the phone's busy.

-Yes.

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Can't get through.

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So, what we have to do is to write to them

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-what we call a letter before action.

-OK.

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'Because Jan can't contact them by phone,

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'her only option is a letter before action.

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'It will be the first the studio know of her wanting a refund.

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'She must say who she is and what she spent.

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'She must also explain why she feels she was mis-sold the product,

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'mentioning the promise of "£1,000 per casting".

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'Lastly, she must say that she wants a refund within 14 days.

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'If this goes to court, a letter giving a deadline is vital.'

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Writing this letter is the first step

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along the road to getting this money back,

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but it may mean that you have to go to court eventually to get it.

0:20:540:20:57

Jan paid £1,800 for what, in effect, is a useless portfolio.

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She wants Mint Brown to pay the money back, and so do I.

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My name is Gary Bell, and as a QC I spend most of my working life

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dealing with major court cases.

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But I haven't always been a barrister.

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I've known some tough times,

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and now I want to use my knowledge of the law to help others.

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I want to show you how you can use the courts to recover your money.

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Sue Williams thought she was moving her narrow boat to Barby Moorings,

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a newly built marina advertised as having the latest facilities.

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Only, when she got there, it wasn't.

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So far, I've helped Sue draft a letter asking for all

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the costs involved in her pointless move to be paid back.

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Sue told me she first read about Barby Moorings on a leaflet,

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but they also have a website.

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It looks great.

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There's the bank-side mooring where Sue was going to create her garden.

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Here's a list of facilities that were promised.

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When Sue originally saw the website,

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it said the facilities were there already,

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so she was happy to pay her deposit.

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The website has clearly changed.

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Whenever a company changes its advertising,

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it's worth checking to see if this is because

0:22:260:22:29

they've been investigated by the Advertising Standards Authority.

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Here's their website.

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And, yes, there's an adjudication about the facilities

0:22:360:22:39

advertised by Barby Moorings.

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Someone, apart from Sue Williams, complained.

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The ASA agreed and told Barby Moorings to amend their website

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and only claim for what was actually available,

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and that's exactly what they've done.

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So, Barby Moorings were falsely advertising their facilities,

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which will be useful to Sue in her claim -

0:23:010:23:03

it shows that other people have also complained about Barby Moorings.

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Sue wasn't the only person taken in by their broken promises.

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This is the 61-foot narrow boat Vital Spark.

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And her skipper, Frank Watts.

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I bought it soon after my wife died.

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I got it as a bare shell and over the following years

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I fitted it out completely to the state it is today.

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Frank was looking for a marina in the Midlands,

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and when he found Barby Moorings it was just what he wanted.

0:23:380:23:41

Frank moved Vital Spark up to the marina,

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and that's when the trouble started.

0:23:460:23:49

The first surprise to me

0:23:520:23:54

was that the electricity was only available for 12 hours a day.

0:23:540:23:59

Frank was then told by the owners that he must move his boat

0:24:010:24:04

to another part of the marina.

0:24:040:24:06

I found myself in an...

0:24:070:24:09

I don't quite know how to describe it,

0:24:090:24:11

it was just a pond of water and no moor.

0:24:110:24:15

I couldn't get on and off of the boat easily.

0:24:150:24:18

When I used the length of staging that they provided

0:24:180:24:23

it damaged the boat. I was extremely unhappy with it.

0:24:230:24:27

It simply was not what I was either expecting,

0:24:270:24:31

what I had paid for, or where I was prepared to leave my boat

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which represents a fair investment for me.

0:24:360:24:38

Frank left Barby Moorings and wrote to ask for a refund.

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He got a response to his second letter, but not with a refund.

0:24:440:24:49

A further bill from him for an additional £250,

0:24:490:24:53

because I hadn't given my 13 weeks notice to him.

0:24:530:24:57

Frank has now resorted to court action to recover his money.

0:24:590:25:02

I'm sad because...

0:25:040:25:06

it was so unnecessary.

0:25:060:25:08

Unlike Frank, when Sue left Barby Moorings

0:25:110:25:13

she ended up in an argument with Tony McMaster.

0:25:130:25:16

But I think it's important to be dispassionate

0:25:160:25:19

about who said what to who, even if things did get a little heated.

0:25:190:25:22

When Dave Gartland and his partner, Liz, heard about Barby Moorings,

0:25:240:25:28

they thought they'd found just the type of mooring they were looking for.

0:25:280:25:31

We had explained to Tony McMaster

0:25:330:25:35

that we had very specific needs from the marina.

0:25:350:25:38

The reason being, I'm a bilateral amputee,

0:25:380:25:41

so I've lost both my legs, and Tony McMaster assured us

0:25:410:25:44

that the pontoons that he was building

0:25:440:25:46

were going to be wider than the average,

0:25:460:25:49

they would fit our requirements exactly.

0:25:490:25:52

This was great news for Dave.

0:25:530:25:55

The new marina would cater perfectly for his special needs,

0:25:550:25:58

but when he got there he discovered that the promises were false.

0:25:580:26:02

There was no pontoon that had been described to us that would be

0:26:050:26:09

suitable for me with my disability to get on and off the boat.

0:26:090:26:12

Instead, we were put on a bank-side mooring that actually was only

0:26:120:26:16

a very small pontoon fore and aft on the boat with nothing in the middle.

0:26:160:26:21

A big gap of about six foot between the boats,

0:26:210:26:24

so I couldn't even get access to the side doors.

0:26:240:26:27

When Dave e-mailed Tony McMaster,

0:26:290:26:31

he replied, telling him to remove his boat from the marina.

0:26:310:26:34

When he went back to get it, he was presented with yet another bill.

0:26:340:26:38

When I said, "I'm sorry, I'm not paying it,"

0:26:390:26:42

he became very, very aggressive.

0:26:420:26:44

He made an aggressive move towards my partner.

0:26:440:26:46

He had to be restrained with a hand across his chest by his partner.

0:26:460:26:52

It was just the sheer threat of violence in his voice.

0:26:520:26:57

Dave and his partner were clearly very upset,

0:27:010:27:03

and it does chime with Sue's story.

0:27:030:27:05

But, as a QC, I see allegations of threatening behaviour

0:27:050:27:08

every day in the criminal courts.

0:27:080:27:10

I think in the civil courts it can get in the way of the real issues.

0:27:100:27:13

My advice to Sue is to focus on her claim for money

0:27:130:27:16

and not get sidetracked.

0:27:160:27:18

I believe Sue has a straightforward case.

0:27:210:27:24

The facilities at Barby were far from what was promised

0:27:240:27:27

and we can show that the ASA ruled that the website was misleading.

0:27:270:27:31

Sue's done everything she can to reclaim her money.

0:27:330:27:36

She wrote to him and heard nothing,

0:27:360:27:38

and now the deadline she gave him to pay up has passed.

0:27:380:27:41

I think the only course of action left for Sue now is to go to court.

0:27:410:27:45

To start Sue's claim, she simply needs to fill in a form.

0:27:460:27:49

I've already downloaded and printed a copy for Sue,

0:27:490:27:52

but she could fill it in online

0:27:520:27:54

or get one at her local court or Citizen's Advice Bureau.

0:27:540:27:57

Well, Sue, this is your claim, so, if you can fill it in.

0:27:580:28:01

First you put your name, now, that's "Sue Williams".

0:28:010:28:04

See, I'm helping you every step of the way(!)

0:28:060:28:08

And next are the defendants.

0:28:090:28:11

Shall I put Barby or McMaster?

0:28:110:28:14

Did you have a contract with McMaster or with Barby?

0:28:140:28:16

-Barby.

-Barby Moorings Ltd.

0:28:160:28:18

Next is the claim itself.

0:28:200:28:22

In Sue's case, the key points are that none of the promised

0:28:220:28:25

facilities were available and that she was unfairly evicted.

0:28:250:28:28

And we make sure that we show that he breached

0:28:310:28:33

-the contract by unreasonably throwing you off the site.

-OK.

0:28:330:28:36

Once the value of the claim and all the key dates

0:28:360:28:39

and events are added, the form can be sent in to the court.

0:28:390:28:42

There is a small fee to pay, but it's added to the claim as a cost.

0:28:420:28:46

Right, Sue, let's get this thing posted

0:28:460:28:48

-and then we can get your money back.

-Okey-doke.

0:28:480:28:51

Once Sue's claim is received by the court,

0:28:520:28:54

they will notify Tony McMaster.

0:28:540:28:56

-So, Sue, this has been a very sad episode of your life.

-Yes, it has.

0:28:580:29:02

And, hopefully, in posting this, it will be the first step

0:29:020:29:05

-in bringing this sorry episode to an end.

-Yeah, I hope so.

0:29:050:29:08

There we are, Mr McMaster.

0:29:110:29:13

Tony McMaster promised Sue a state-of-the-art marina.

0:29:130:29:17

He kept promising that things were going to be done

0:29:170:29:20

within the next few weeks, and they never aware.

0:29:200:29:22

If he doesn't pay up the money that Sue's lost

0:29:220:29:24

as a result of believing in his promises,

0:29:240:29:27

the next person he's going to have to convince is a judge.

0:29:270:29:31

The court has received Sue's papers and she's now heard back

0:29:330:29:37

that Tony McMaster has not only replied, he's filed a defence.

0:29:370:29:41

Sue's also got a decision to make.

0:29:460:29:48

The court system offers the chance for mediation

0:29:480:29:51

rather than going straight to a hearing in front of a judge.

0:29:510:29:54

This is a free service where both sides can negotiate the claim,

0:29:570:30:01

through a third-party impartial mediator provided by the court,

0:30:010:30:05

hopefully finding a solution that is acceptable to both sides

0:30:050:30:09

without a hearing in front of a judge.

0:30:090:30:11

Any lawyer will tell you that court should always be the last resort.

0:30:140:30:18

If Sue does choose mediation,

0:30:180:30:20

let's hope Tony McMaster agrees to it, as well.

0:30:200:30:22

SHUTTER SNAPS

0:30:260:30:29

I'm back on the case of the mum who believes

0:30:290:30:31

she was ripped off by a photo studio.

0:30:310:30:34

She thought her daughter was being auditioned by Candi Models,

0:30:340:30:37

when in fact she was being sold a modelling portfolio

0:30:370:30:40

by Mint Brown Studios.

0:30:400:30:42

Jan Koutris has written to them asking for her money back.

0:30:420:30:46

We know Mint Brown Studios and Candi Models share the same director,

0:30:490:30:52

and that they use the Candi Models website to drum up custom,

0:30:520:30:56

but if Jan and Nicki had done a quick search online,

0:30:560:31:00

they'd have discovered the word "scam" in two clicks.

0:31:000:31:03

And it hasn't taken me long to find other people

0:31:050:31:08

who are very unhappy at the way Candi Models have treated them.

0:31:080:31:11

Lilly Krupa is a 20-year-old student from Poland.

0:31:140:31:18

Lilly sent her photo to Candi Models, and when they replied saying

0:31:230:31:26

she'd been selected for an audition, she thought she'd hit the jackpot.

0:31:260:31:31

On the phone, the Candi Models rep told Lilly that

0:31:310:31:34

if her test shoot was successful it would be free.

0:31:340:31:37

After the shoot at the Mint Brown Studios, Lilly was told

0:31:370:31:41

she'd passed, so she was very surprised

0:31:410:31:43

when they dropped the bombshell of the price list.

0:31:430:31:47

I said, "I can't afford it."

0:31:470:31:49

He said, "What did you think? What did you think?

0:31:490:31:51

"How much money have you got for today?

0:31:510:31:53

How much money did you bring with you?

0:31:530:31:55

"What did you think - it was going to be free?"

0:31:550:31:57

And this is when I said, "Yes, I did. That's what I was told on the phone."

0:31:570:32:01

This is when his attitude towards me completely changed.

0:32:020:32:06

He became aggressive.

0:32:060:32:08

But I said, "Yeah, I can pay £200 today. Is it all right?"

0:32:090:32:13

And he said, "No."

0:32:130:32:15

Lilly agreed to pay £300 now

0:32:150:32:16

and the rest when she received the photographs.

0:32:160:32:20

When she got home, she told her friend what had happened.

0:32:200:32:23

I googled Candi Models

0:32:230:32:25

and the first thing that came up was "Candi Models scam".

0:32:250:32:29

When I found out, I was just a mess.

0:32:330:32:36

Lilly has no intention of paying any more money,

0:32:380:32:41

so she hasn't received her portfolio from Candi Models.

0:32:410:32:45

She spent £350 on absolutely nothing.

0:32:450:32:50

As a student, £300 is a lot of money for me.

0:32:500:32:54

It's really not very difficult to find other people

0:32:590:33:01

who feel they've been duped into spending money pointlessly

0:33:010:33:04

with Mint Brown Studios.

0:33:040:33:06

When 17-year-old Candida and her mum, Jennifer,

0:33:070:33:10

went to the Candi Models test shoot, they were both thrilled to be

0:33:100:33:14

told that Candida had successfully passed the modelling audition.

0:33:140:33:18

I was very happy, actually.

0:33:200:33:21

I thought, "This is the beginning of some career for my daughter."

0:33:210:33:24

And I just encouraged her.

0:33:240:33:26

After the photo shoot, Candida was told

0:33:280:33:30

if she wanted to start a career she would need a portfolio.

0:33:300:33:34

A £3,000 portfolio.

0:33:340:33:37

"Oh, I don't have that much money," I told them.

0:33:410:33:44

"So, how much do you have in your account?" he asked.

0:33:460:33:49

And I told him, like, "I've got some £200 or £300. That's it."

0:33:490:33:53

The salesman said he'd take the entire contents of Jennifer's

0:33:550:33:58

bank account as a down payment, and the rest could be paid

0:33:580:34:02

in instalments by signing a credit agreement.

0:34:020:34:05

There was no way we were getting out of it. We were...

0:34:050:34:08

We had to buy some pictures.

0:34:080:34:10

Once Candida and her mother had left the studios, they realised

0:34:120:34:16

they'd been pressured into buying something that they didn't want.

0:34:160:34:19

I was made to feel very awkward and very horrible.

0:34:220:34:25

Despite paying £250,

0:34:260:34:28

they still haven't received a single photograph.

0:34:280:34:31

Just like Jan and her daughter,

0:34:310:34:33

they thought they were going to an audition at Candi Models,

0:34:330:34:36

but ended up paying for photos from Mint Brown Studios.

0:34:360:34:39

Consumer law is very clear on mis-selling.

0:34:440:34:47

You can't make false claims about what a product can do,

0:34:470:34:50

and that includes modelling portfolios.

0:34:500:34:52

Jan was told that the portfolio she bought for her daughter was worthless.

0:34:520:34:56

I'm a lawyer - I don't take anything for granted.

0:34:560:34:59

I need to check for myself,

0:34:590:35:01

so I've arranged for the portfolio to be looked at by an expert.

0:35:010:35:05

What we need is one of Britain's leading fashion photographers.

0:35:050:35:08

I'm Perou, I'm a photographer and director.

0:35:170:35:19

I take photographs of the most beautiful, famous,

0:35:190:35:22

rich, successful people, and others, around the world.

0:35:220:35:25

These are photos that you might see a photographer shooting

0:35:290:35:33

in a high street shop.

0:35:330:35:34

They look a little bit dated, if anything.

0:35:360:35:38

They're very kind of '80s in the aesthetic.

0:35:380:35:41

The pictures that we choose models from

0:35:430:35:45

when they're first starting out are generally just Polaroids.

0:35:450:35:49

No make-up, no hair, no fancy pictures in portfolios

0:35:490:35:53

or unfancy pictures in portfolios, but they're just straight snaps.

0:35:530:35:57

For me, it's not about the money or the quality of the photographs -

0:35:590:36:03

it's this false advertising, this idea that with these photographs,

0:36:030:36:08

and if you spend this money you will then get work as a model.

0:36:080:36:12

It's definitely not going to happen.

0:36:120:36:13

It's very, very hard and it's incredibly competitive.

0:36:150:36:18

I see these girls as vulnerable, in terms of they want to be models,

0:36:180:36:23

somebody's said to them they're pretty, they should do modelling...

0:36:230:36:26

To be told that if you buy a portfolio you will get

0:36:260:36:30

modelling work is complete lies.

0:36:300:36:32

It's now 14 days since Jan sent the letter before action,

0:36:350:36:38

and Jan tells me she's heard nothing.

0:36:380:36:41

So we've only got one option left.

0:36:420:36:45

-It's the only way you can get the money back.

-I know.

0:36:450:36:47

'Jan is the claimant and, as all her payments were

0:36:480:36:51

'to Mint Brown Studios, they will be the defendant.'

0:36:510:36:54

We've set the brief details of claim out here,

0:36:540:36:56

so that the judge can see very quickly what the case is all about.

0:36:560:37:00

'Jan needs to detail what she is claiming

0:37:000:37:02

'and why she is claiming it.'

0:37:020:37:04

In this case, you bought a webfolio, some photographs

0:37:060:37:09

and a model list, for a grand total of £1,800,

0:37:090:37:13

because you understood from them that almost the moment

0:37:130:37:17

that you paid the money

0:37:170:37:18

your daughter would be on £1,000 a day as a model.

0:37:180:37:21

'Next is a breakdown of the value of her claim.

0:37:210:37:24

'£50 deposit, £1,350 for photographs,

0:37:240:37:28

'and £400 for the two sheets of A4 paper

0:37:280:37:31

'with a list of modelling agencies on them.'

0:37:310:37:34

Now, you appreciate that if you sue them for the £400,

0:37:340:37:38

they are then entitled to have the exclusive list back?

0:37:380:37:42

SHE LAUGHS

0:37:420:37:44

-I'm sure I can arrange that.

-So you won't have it any more.

0:37:450:37:50

You won't be able to look into it, and...

0:37:500:37:52

Can you do without it?

0:37:520:37:54

-I can do without it.

-Right.

0:37:540:37:55

'I wonder if Mint Brown Studios will be laughing

0:37:570:38:00

'when they receive notification from the court.'

0:38:000:38:02

Right, there's the postbox.

0:38:040:38:05

'This is Jan's claim, so she needs to post it.'

0:38:050:38:08

-Let's get this thing posted.

-OK.

0:38:080:38:11

A very brave thing that you're doing here, Jan.

0:38:120:38:14

I know, but it's scary.

0:38:140:38:16

-I don't suppose they get that many court summonses.

-No.

0:38:160:38:20

But if they're not going to pay you, it's the only option we've got.

0:38:200:38:23

-Absolutely.

-Right, do you want to post it, then?

-Yes, please.

0:38:230:38:27

Everything I've discovered about this so-called modelling agency

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leads me to believe they'll treat Jan's claim the same way

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they deal with all complaints - they'll simply ignore it.

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Let's see if they can ignore a court summons.

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Meanwhile, narrow-boat owner Sue Williams is seeking

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to recover the costs of moving her boat to an unfinished marina.

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Sue's also asked for the court to be dealt with

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by the court mediation service.

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I've heard back from Sue, and Tony McMaster has agreed.

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The mediation will be done over the phone.

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A trained mediator will ring both parties to see if they can reach

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a settlement which is agreeable to both of them.

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I can't speak for Sue in this mediation,

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but I can get her ready and build her confidence for that call.

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So, Sue, what's been happening since I last saw you?

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Oh! I don't know where to start.

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I don't know how to get in there.

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-The same way I have.

-I'll have a go.

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'I have a feeling Sue's a little worried.

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'I want to settle her nerves.'

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So, Gary, what's your best advice?

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Answer the questions, be honest,

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-answer them all truthfully.

-Yes.

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Don't ramble on. Because I know you've got the capacity

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to do that a bit, Sue.

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But don't be too short.

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Don't be like my kids are when I ask them how they are -

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"Fine."

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'Mediation is all about negotiating.

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'I think Sue's very capable of getting her point across.'

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-You're quite happy to speak for yourself, aren't you?

-Yes, I am.

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I'm just worried about having mental blocks and silly things.

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Right, you mustn't be nervous about this at all, Sue.

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-OK.

-It's not the Spanish Inquisition.

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'Sue just needs to make sure she's properly prepared,

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'by having all her paperwork organised.'

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It's not that worrying.

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You just go in there, you tell the truth,

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you answer the questions that you're asked.

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'Let's hope Sue follows my plan

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'and gets Tony McMaster to see things her way.'

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Sue is claiming from Tony McMaster of Barby Moorings

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£400 for her deposit,

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£300 for the fuel to bring her boat to Barby Moorings,

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and £1,496 for the storage of garden equipment,

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along with some other expenses.

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'The court mediation service is designed to be impartial.

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'It's also confidential, and the rules are very strict.

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'After she's made the call,

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'I meet up with Sue to find out how it went.'

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So, tell us about the mediation process today, Sue.

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The time flew, actually.

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The time flew, even though you're sitting waiting for phone calls.

0:41:090:41:12

-Right.

-It's actually on and off. They'll talk to you,

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the line cuts, and they go back to the other...

0:41:150:41:18

-Right, and then they come back to you?

-Yes.

0:41:180:41:20

You've got to listen to everything she says,

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even if you want to say, "No..." You've got to listen.

0:41:230:41:25

-Now, mediation is confidential.

-That's right.

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And you're not allowed to tell us, in fact, what offers were made,

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what counter offers you made,

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but how do you feel about the settlement?

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I'm very happy with it.

0:41:360:41:38

-Are you glad it's all over?

-Yes.

0:41:380:41:40

That's the best thing I've ever done.

0:41:400:41:42

Under the rules, Sue can't tell us the exact details of the settlement,

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but two things are clear -

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Sue is very happy with what's been offered,

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and the case is settled.

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We asked Barby Moorings to explain what had happened.

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They didn't reply.

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There have also been some developments in our second case.

0:42:000:42:03

Back in Brighton, Jan Koutris wanted a full refund to cover the cost of

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her daughter's modelling portfolio that she argued was worthless.

0:42:070:42:11

Jan's claim was £50 deposit,

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£400 for a list of modelling agencies on two sheets A4 paper,

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and £1,350 for the portfolio.

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Jan received a letter from the court saying that the deadline

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for a response from Mint Brown Studios had passed.

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I was quite surprised when I phoned the court and they said

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that they had actually put in a defence but it was too late,

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which made me smile, because these are the type of people,

0:42:410:42:44

I think, that just think, "Oh, she won't take it any further."

0:42:440:42:48

Because Mint Brown Studios missed the deadline for defending

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their claim, judgment has been entered in Jan's favour,

0:42:510:42:54

meaning that she's won her case.

0:42:540:42:56

We asked Mint Brown Studios AND Candi Models for a comment,

0:42:560:42:59

but neither of them bothered to reply.

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If Mint Brown Studios don't pay up, Jan can start the process

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of getting her money back by passing the claim on for enforcement.

0:43:060:43:09

I would say it's well worth following it through.

0:43:110:43:14

I will feel proud of myself that I've actually taken them

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to court and actually stood up against them.

0:43:170:43:19

That is what this is all about.

0:43:210:43:23

Jan and Sue stood up for themselves and have both been successful

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by using the power of the courts to resolve their problems.

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Jan won her case,

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and Sue used mediation to get a negotiated settlement

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she was very happy with.

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Going to court isn't easy,

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and I don't think it's something that should be taken lightly,

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but sometimes you have no other choice.

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The courts are there for us all,

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to give everyone a chance to stand up for their rights.

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Sue and Jan certainly did.

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