Episode 1 The Sheriffs Are Coming


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What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn?

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I outlined the faults in the vehicle. He rejected all those.

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A court of law backs you, but you still don't get your money.

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You can't do that. It's illegal. I didn't think they'd do it to me.

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It's time to call the sheriffs.

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We have every right to enter the premises by force, if necessary.

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We will be entering that building.

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Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers,

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who recover what a court judgement says is owed.

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The writ orders us to come here

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and seize goods to the value of this debt.

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They're the experts in getting cash that's rightfully yours.

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?1,323.

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But fighting for the underdog is not a job for the faint-hearted.

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I will back that truck through your windscreen!

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Debtors aren't pleased to see them.

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Because they hate paying up.

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Are you happy for me to leave you some paperwork? No, I'm not, go away!

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In today's programme,

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26-year-old Helen Sargent suffered a traumatic experience at work.

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I managed to break free

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and just ran out of the office as soon as I could.

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Helen won her sexual-harassment case,

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but her ex-boss never gave her the money she was awarded.

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Can the sheriffs put that right?

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Crunch day is today.

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You need to sort out what you can sort out.

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Sheriff Pete tries to track down the manager

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of a construction company which owes a former employee ?8,000.

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KNOCKING

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I can't see the guy's car that we spoke to earlier.

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And Dr Benedict Henry bought a car which was a disaster from day one.

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The dealers refused to fix it or give him his money back.

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He did inform you that he knew the law

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and he just rejected my return of the vehicle.

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The sheriffs pay them a visit and, when things get heated,

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the police race to the scene.

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Helen Sargent lives in Epsom, Surrey.

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Helen needs the help of the sheriffs after a distressing experience

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at an office where she used to work.

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In 2005, Helen started a job as a PA to a mortgage adviser.

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Initially, she got on well with her boss and everything was fine.

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He seemed quite friendly, chatty, confident.

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He seemed able to offer me a lot.

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He talked about the job prospects

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and the things that I could learn and things like that.

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But after a few weeks, Helen, who was just 20 at the time,

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sensed a change of atmosphere in the office.

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I started noticing sexual remarks and jokes and innuendos

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and they seem to be happening more frequently than when I first started.

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And it began to get uncomfortable.

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And it wasn't just talk.

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Soon after starting,

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Helen was told about a rather disturbing daily ritual.

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I was informed that the routine when we arrived

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and when we left was a kiss on the cheek.

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And so we'd have to go up to him and he's kiss us on the cheek

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when we first arrived in the morning and then when we left.

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And I remember if we tried to get away with not doing this

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and go straight to our desks,

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he would ask where his kiss this morning was.

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Two months after Helen started,

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the inappropriate behaviour reached a whole new level.

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I think I was working to about seven o'clock.

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He'd stayed in the office, as well,

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and as I got up to say goodbye and kiss him on the cheek,

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um, his hand wandered down and started groping my bottom.

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And he was holding me in an embrace I couldn't get out of,

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because he was quite a big man.

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And then I managed to break free

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and just ran out of the office as soon as I could.

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The situation began to impact on Helen's health

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to the point where she started having panic attacks

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and suffering from depression.

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I wasn't sleeping, eating, wasn't really going out at the weekends

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and I turned into a nervous wreck.

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After six miserable months, Helen handed in her notice.

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Finally, she found strength to tell her partner Chris,

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and her parents, what had been going on.

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As soon as I told my family,

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I felt cushioned, like a huge relief that everyone knew

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and that they were there for me.

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They looked after me for the next couple of months.

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They got me better again.

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My mum and Chris, my husband, are responsible, um...

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Sorry.

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SHE SOBS

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I just, um, don't know what I would have done without them.

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After weeks of soul searching,

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Helen decided to take her former boss to an employment tribunal.

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I wanted to get justice for what had happened

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and make him realise that it wasn't acceptable.

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Just stop him from doing it in the future to anyone else.

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Helen won her employment tribunal case and was awarded compensation.

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The amount I was awarded was ?38,000

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and that was a combination of injury to feelings,

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which is to do with how it affected me and the stress it caused

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and the panic attacks and ongoing depression that had come from it.

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And, also, loss of earnings for the fact I couldn't go back

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to full-time employment and I'd also lost a fairly good job

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and been forced out of working there,

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and they took that into account, as well.

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But the tribunal just makes the award, it doesn't enforce it.

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And Helen's ex-boss refused to pay up.

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After four years of trying to get her money, Helen had little option.

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She transferred her award to the High Court, got a writ

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and asked the sheriffs to execute it.

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It's 6.30am and High Court enforcement officers Lawrence Grix

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and Kevin McNally are on their way to the home of Helen's former boss.

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Enforcement officers, who are also known as sheriffs,

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do a job that dates back to Saxon times.

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Because of interest and court costs,

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the figure owed by Helen's ex-boss is now ?44,000.

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It's a large sum but Lawrence and Kev have discovered

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he owns a valuable Harley-Davidson motorbike.

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We've done a check on it. It is still registered to him.

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It is clear of finance

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and we're hoping to find that there when we arrive.

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If we do, we'll immobilise it straight away.

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With something like that, a motorbike, a car,

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they can easily be driven away

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if you don't secure them as soon as you see it.

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And then we'll give him a knock and see what he's got to say for himself

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and see what sort of payment he's going to make.

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Lawrence and Kev have arrived.

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They can't see the Harley out front, so they get out and search on foot.

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Lawrence has spotted an alley down the side of the house.

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Kev doubts it's wide enough for a Harley.

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It's hardly wide enough for a Lawrence.

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He's never going to get a motorbike down there, dipstick.

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Get a mountain bike down there.

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With no sign of the Harley, there's nothing else for it,

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it's time to wake up Helen's former boss.

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If he isn't in, Helen won't be getting her money today.

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Unlike with commercial properties,

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the sheriffs can't break in to debtors' houses.

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KNOCKS ON DOOR

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That's a bailiff knock.

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Definitely not a postman.

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Yeah, light's on.

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Morning. I'm looking for a Mr Alan Finch. Would that be yourself, sir?

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MAN INSIDE: No, sorry.

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No, it's me. Mr Finch? Hello there, sir.

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If you put a light on, I'll show you my identification.

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My name is Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer.

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I'm here today to reinforce the High Court writ

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against you on behalf of a Miss Helen Sargent.

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You were found liable at an employment tribunal, I believe.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah? I am here today for ?44,022.12.

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How would you like to pay, sir? Yeah! Erm, I don't know. What's...?

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Well, we need a significant payment.

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We're here effectively for the full amount,

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but I can understand you're not going to have ?44,000

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sitting in your back pocket,

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but I need to know what sort of payment you can make today

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to at least get the ball rolling.

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It's got to be something significant with this size of debt.

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You'll be lucky to get that, it's as simple as that. Significant in what?

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Well, what, you know, I'm not going to give you a figure.

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You need to tell me what you can pay.

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A couple of hundred pounds I could do.

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That's not even going to scratch the surface.

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44,000. I haven't got 44,000. I can appreciate that.

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A couple of hundred is getting absolutely nowhere.

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You need to raise at least the value of your goods within

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the property, or we will remove them instead.

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I rent a room here. You rent a room here? Yes. You can see, look.

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Come in here and have a look.

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Yeah, locks on everybody's doors, yeah.

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So you're upstairs, are you? Yes.

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It's bad news.

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Rather than living in a house full of removable goods,

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Helen's former boss lives in a rented upstairs flat.

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Is there not somewhere you can borrow the money from?

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We can take someone else's card or something? 44,000, I can't...

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No, but, for a significant amount. No.

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Can I have today to sort the...?

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No, sir, we're here now. We will seize goods now.

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You know where I am. With respect, sir, this goes back a couple of years

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and you've not paid any of it.

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So, when judgment was made against you at the tribunal,

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you just thought, "Unless somebody chases me, I can forget it, then."

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No, but... You know. Since I walked away on that day, I've had no...

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It has been two years, Sir, you've not attempted to pay anything,

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so we are certainly not going to go away and come back.

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You know, crunch day is today,

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so you need to go and sort out what you can sort out.

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If the sheriffs do fail to get Helen any money,

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she will only have to pay the initial ?60 court fee.

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At this point, our camera operator was asked not to enter the building.

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Negotiations continue behind closed doors.

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After an hour, Kev emerges

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and gets the chip-and-pin machine out of the car.

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Perhaps things are looking up for Helen.

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Half an hour later, Kev and Lawrence re-emerge.

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But what is the result?

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It turns out the property is just rented out as rooms

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and all he's got is a room on the first floor, no real assets,

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he had a flat screen TV.

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An Apple laptop and an iPhone were about the major assets.

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He had some model railway carriages,

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which potentially have some value in them to somebody,

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but really there was nothing there to seize.

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No sign of the Harley-Davidson,

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although he has got Harley memorabilia all over the place,

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so we believe he's still got the Harley.

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So, in the end, we've settled for ?1,000,

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which is all he could come up with today.

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He didn't even want to part with that, and,

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to be fair, when you've got no leverage of any goods,

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?1,000 was pretty good, really,

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because the stuff in there would have raised probably 150 quid at auction.

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So we've achieved more than we would have done

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by seizing what few assets he had got.

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But we still need to find the Harley-Davidson.

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Personally, what I would do in this situation, because I drive

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through this way on a regular basis to and from work,

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is make a slight detour to come down this road

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and see if the thing's ever outside his house. I'll carry my lock,

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I carry a copy of the writ with me and, if I see it here,

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I'll immobilise it and give him a knock

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and, if necessary, take it away.

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Lawrence also got Helen's boss to sign paperwork

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which gives him access all areas if he does need to come back.

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We can re-enter the premises at any time

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to make sure the things we've seized are still there,

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because they are supposed to remain on the premises.

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If we need to, we can break in,

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that's what the agreement empowers us to do,

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because the goods we seized are no longer his property, technically.

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They now belong to the court. So if we need to do that, we will do that.

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But, for now, Lawrence and Kev will have to settle for ?1,000.

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Just another 43,000 to go before Helen gets what she is owed.

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Kev and Lawrence travelling to the next early-morning job

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at a builder's home in Norfolk.

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They've tried visiting him three times before,

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but he's never been in.

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The amount he owes one of his suppliers now totals ?8,500.

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Everybody deserves to be paid for the services

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they provided or the materials they provided.

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If they're a small business,

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a debt like this could have them on the edge.

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So it's not for us to judge. Somebody owes the money we collect it.

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They've arrived at the builder's house.

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I'm sure I haven't seen that Jeep before. Wasn't there, was it?

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The sheriffs usually go for a stealthy approach.

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But Kev's got different ideas.

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CAR HORN TOOTS

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KEV SNIGGERS What are you beeping at me for?

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Seeing a different car on the drive has raised Lawrence's hopes

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he'll finally meet the builder in person.

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And there's another clue that the builder is back from holiday.

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Post been collected from last time. KNOCKS ON DOOR

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Even if the builder is home, he may take some rousing at 7am.

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There's a newspaper in there. Unless it's a local rag,

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if you have a newspaper delivered,

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you're normally in to read it, aren't you?

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If necessary, Lawrence could get a tow truck

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to remove the builder's car,

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but first he needs to prove it belongs to the business.

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Oh, look, it must be his vehicle.

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Federation of Master Builders thing in the window.

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This wasn't here last time, this Jeep. No.

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Kev's just seen signs of life inside.

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There you go.

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Somebody here, is there?

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Hello, sir. Hello.

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I'm looking for a Clive Brown, would that be yourself?

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I'll show you some ID, sir.

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Mr Grix, I'm an enforcement officer.

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We're here to execute a High Court writ.

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You owe the sum in total of ?8,563.41.

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If you can't pay that in full today,

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we're here to remove goods to clear the debt.

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We've left paperwork before and had no response from you.

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I haven't seen any paperwork, because I haven't been here.

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I've been abroad. And when did you get back, sir?

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On 7th October. Right.

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7th October? Yes.

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We were here not that long ago.

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We left mail in your box there,

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which can't be opened by anybody who hasn't got a key,

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so you have the letter, sir.

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If I have, I've had it.

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Right. I've put in for a winding-up order, anyhow.

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We've been at the courts... Yeah. ..to go bankrupt.

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Have you got paperwork, sir? They're still sorting it out.

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Have you paid your ?500 to make yourself bankrupt?

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My accountant paid it, should have done.

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Right, have you got proof of that? Not here, no.

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Right, has your accountant got proof of it? I should hope so. Yes.

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Have you got a fax machine here?

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Yes. Is he able to fax it over to you? I can speak to him at 10.

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He gets in at 10, does he? That's going to be a bit too late.

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If we've got no proof of that then, basically,

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we're looking to remove that vehicle today to clear the debt. Yeah?

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Yeah. Or, can I give you a cheque? Don't take cheques, sir.

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Cleared funds. But we don't take cheques.

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Cards, we do credit cards, debit cards, we do cash.

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You can do a bank transfer online.

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I can pay you some on a card,

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but I haven't got a card that would take it all.

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I can pay you some on the card and...

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How much can you pay on the card, sir?

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Um, ?3,000.

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Right, have you got another card you can pay the rest on, or anything?

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How much...? When you say you're going to give us a cheque

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you were going to give us a cheque for the full amount? Well...

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The builder asks for the camera to stay outside

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while he negotiates with the sheriffs.

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His offer goes up to 5, then ?7,000.

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And, finally, the full amount, 8,500.

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But he says he needs two hours to source the funds.

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Kev gets the debit-card machine

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and Lawrence breaks some bad news about overtime charges.

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Unfortunately, we charge ?181.50 an hour waiting time.

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You get the first hour.

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We were here at dead on seven so you get to 8 o'clock free.

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If it goes to quarter past, I'll cut you some slack,

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if we get near the next hour, nine o'clock,

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then I will be charging the hour's waiting time.

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We'll try and do our best for you.

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The builder rapidly finds the funds.

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That's it. OK.

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It's mission accomplished.

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Here is your one, Mr Brown.

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OK, Mr Brown, thank you.

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Lawrence and Kev's persistence

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paid dividends for the builder's supplier owed the money.

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Take care.

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Initially, he offered 3,500. We pushed and then he offered five,

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we pushed some more.

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I asked him to show me what he had in the account.

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He had 7,000 in basically a brand-new account, so we took that

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and he offered the a card for his old account for the balance.

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So it's paid in full.

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Without any drama at all.

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But he didn't want his vehicle to go.

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That was our leverage, the vehicle sitting on the drive.

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Successful job, fourth time lucky. We don't give up.

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If we know somebody's there, we'll come back and back and back and back

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until we get what we want.

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8am and sheriff Pete Spencer is on his way

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to Southern UK Road Services in Manchester.

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The company owes ?8,000 to Lesley McGowan-Stonier,

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a former employee unfairly dismissed after being signed off sick.

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She took the company to a tribunal and they settled out of court.

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But the company still hasn't paid Lesley,

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so she got a High Court writ for the cash.

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For Pete and his colleagues, business is booming.

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There seems to been that much debt around,

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or people trying not to pay things,

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and it's generally the innocent people, really,

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that haven't done anything wrong that are owed the money

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and a lot of companies out there

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are trying to get away from not paying what's owed.

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Pete's arrived, but the business is all closed up.

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Sheriffs are allowed to scale fences

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and climb walls to get into commercial properties if necessary.

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But, understandably, Pete doesn't fancy that here.

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On the plus side, there are vans in the car park.

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If they belong to the business, he could remove them

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to help clear the debt.

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This potentially could be one of theirs,

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so I'll see if I can get a reg number off this.

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There's nobody about.

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We'll hang around for 15 or 20 minutes, just in case

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they do start at nine o'clock,

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we've got a couple of reg numbers of vehicles on the compounds,

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so we'll levy them

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and leave a levy sheet

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and we'll get the office to HPR and DVLA-check them

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as well, to see if they come back to them and they're finance free.

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Things are looking up. Someone's arrived.

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Hi, good morning. Hello.

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Southern UK Road Services Ltd?

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I'm an enforcement officer enforcing a High Court writ today. Right.

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That's my identification. Yeah.

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It's regarding the claim of Lesley McGowan-Stonier

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against, obviously, this company that we're visiting.

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?7,873.75. Right. We're looking for payment today.

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Or we potentially could be removing vehicles.

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There is a colleague of mine who is supposed to be dealing with this.

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He's not in at the moment. What time will he be in, do you know?

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Probably a bit after 10, but what I'll do is, um...

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Do you want to try getting him on the phone

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and see if you can give you information regarding it?

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It might be another option. Can you give me five minutes? Fine, yes.

0:22:030:22:07

A quick question. I've taken the vehicles as staff vehicles

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and I've listed them,

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but there's no point with them being staff vehicles.

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We've got the other vehicles up here, anyway.

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I just thought then I'd chat to him to get myself in the yard,

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so now we can list some more vehicles.

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The guy you need to talk to, I've just spoken to him,

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he's on his way in but he won't be in until later.

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OK, do you know what time?

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I think it's going to be something like between 10 and 10.30.

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If you come back a bit later, I'll talk to him. 10 o'clock? Right, OK.

0:22:370:22:41

That's fine. Somebody will be here about ten-ish. OK.

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Cheers, thank you. Sorry about that.

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I'm not trying to be evasive.

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No, that's fine. No problem, we'll pop back about ten-ish.

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10am is an hour away. Pete will have to bide his time.

0:22:500:22:55

Dr Benedict Henry is a psychologist in London,

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who needs the help of the High Court enforcement officers

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after a car purchase went wrong.

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This is the car, which I bought from Car Club London.

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It hasn't worked at all for a number of months. They are aware of that.

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The Audi A3 cost Ben over ?4,000,

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but it broke down within days of him buying it.

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An Audi garage said it needed over ?2,000 of repairs.

0:23:280:23:32

Ben took it back to where he bought it from.

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I outlined the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights,

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but he rejected all those.

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I outlined the faults in the vehicle. Again, he rejected those.

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I was left with no reasonable resolution to the problem

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at that point.

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He did inform me he knew the law, and that's a quote.

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He said, "I know the law with regards to car dealing."

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He'd been doing it for three or four years, he said.

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And he just rejected my return of the vehicle to his premises.

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Ben was convinced the dealer was in the wrong.

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He studied consumer law on the internet

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and went to the County Court to try to get his money back.

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To be honest, I wasn't that hopeful, because I assumed they wouldn't pay.

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Because they'd stopped any correspondence with me.

0:24:170:24:20

They avoided accepting any responsibility for things

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and they hadn't dealt with me in a professional manner at all.

0:24:240:24:28

I assumed that things probably wouldn't go in my favour.

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But Ben did get judgment in his favour in the court case.

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However, that wasn't the end of the story.

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Even though the verdict went Ben's way,

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the car dealer still didn't give him his money back.

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So Ben went to the High Court to get a writ.

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Now, sheriffs Kev and Lawrence

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are on their way to the car dealership in London to execute it.

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If the dealers don't play ball, the officers will remove cars,

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auction them, and give the proceeds to Ben.

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We're looking for just under ?5,500.

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If the company is still there, it is a limited company,

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that they will have sufficient stock to warrant them paying us.

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But you never know.

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It could have changed to another company.

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It could be different people there altogether.

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We won't know until we get there.

0:25:240:25:25

But I'm hoping that the actual defendant company

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will still be there and I have plenty of stock on the forecourt.

0:25:290:25:31

The sheriffs need to track down the owner of the dealership.

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That's easier said than done.

0:25:370:25:39

The office is deserted.

0:25:390:25:41

So they try phoning him.

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My name is Mr Grix.

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I'm an enforcement...

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Grix. G-R-I-X.

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I'm an enforcement officer

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and I'm here today to execute a High Court writ.

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I'm here... Execute a High Court writ.

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I'm here today to seize your stock on the forecourt

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to clear a debt of ?5,567.09.

0:26:030:26:07

Your vehicles are going to be seized

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and, if necessary, removed to cover the debt.

0:26:100:26:12

Any vehicles on the forecourt that will cover the debt.

0:26:140:26:17

You've sold the business to someone else. They've opened a new company.

0:26:180:26:22

Right.

0:26:220:26:23

They're in the process of opening it?

0:26:230:26:26

They're in the process of opening it?

0:26:260:26:28

Right, so they're not trading yet?

0:26:280:26:31

Right, so all these vehicles here are your responsibility, sir.

0:26:320:26:36

All these vehicles here are your responsibility, aren't they?

0:26:360:26:39

You are alleging that these are customers vehicles, OK?

0:26:390:26:45

So, presumably, if the new company is not trading yet,

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you're still trading.

0:26:480:26:49

So you're selling these vehicles on behalf of the customers?

0:26:490:26:53

So you need to come down with your paperwork to verify that, sir.

0:26:530:26:56

Yes, we're going to wait here, yes.

0:26:570:26:59

You need to do that as soon as possible, sir.

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OK. Bye-bye.

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For Lawrence, past experience proves

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he has to move quick in this kind of scenario.

0:27:070:27:10

You can only hit once with a car dealer. Because the stock will go.

0:27:100:27:15

It just won't be here.

0:27:150:27:16

Someone has arrived to talk to the High Court enforcement officers.

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He says he is the owner's brother.

0:27:210:27:23

My name is Mr Grix.

0:27:230:27:25

I'm an enforcement officer.

0:27:250:27:27

I'm here to execute a High Court writ on behalf of Dr Benedict Henry

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against Car Club London Ltd

0:27:320:27:34

and I'm here today to seize goods to the value of ?5,567.09.

0:27:340:27:39

The only way to prevent that happening is to pay in full, sir.

0:27:390:27:42

OK. We have been speaking to the solicitor. Yeah?

0:27:420:27:45

I can give you the solicitor's phone number.

0:27:450:27:47

I don't wish to speak to the solicitor.

0:27:470:27:49

Speak to the court about it. Right.

0:27:490:27:51

I just called her, she is out for lunch. Right.

0:27:510:27:54

I don't need to speak to the solicitor, sir.

0:27:560:27:58

I have a High Court writ.

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Which orders me, it orders me to come here

0:27:590:28:03

and seize goods to the value of this debt. I've got a right.

0:28:030:28:06

Yeah. I've got a right, like, to stop this.

0:28:060:28:10

Yeah, legally, our solicitor is going to speak to the court.

0:28:100:28:13

We have a live writ and we are here today to seize goods

0:28:130:28:17

to clear the debt. Whatever your solicitor is doing,

0:28:170:28:20

speaking to the courts, there is a High Court writ active.

0:28:200:28:22

This is live now. Which is why we're here.

0:28:220:28:25

Your brother just told me none of the vehicles here belong to the company.

0:28:250:28:29

They belong to third parties.

0:28:290:28:31

You're selling them on behalf of private individuals,

0:28:310:28:33

which I find very hard to believe.

0:28:330:28:35

He also told me the business is no longer running,

0:28:350:28:38

it's been sold to another company.

0:28:380:28:41

It's not sold yet. We are actually selling it.

0:28:410:28:44

That's not what your brother told me. It might be misunderstood.

0:28:440:28:47

Maybe you misheard it.

0:28:470:28:50

But he said we haven't sold it yet.

0:28:500:28:53

It's not been sold yet.

0:28:530:28:55

We are the owners. Yeah, he's here, he's on his way.

0:28:550:28:58

That's cool if he's here, but there is a writ.

0:28:580:29:00

These vehicles belong to Car Club London?

0:29:000:29:02

You're selling them yourselves?

0:29:020:29:04

You're not selling them on behalf of the parties are you? I don't know.

0:29:040:29:07

You don't know? You work together, but you don't know. He's the owner.

0:29:070:29:11

The man may not be the owner, but he's sure he knows

0:29:120:29:15

what the owner's going to say when he arrives.

0:29:150:29:18

He's not giving no money. You can't even seize the cars, you can't.

0:29:180:29:21

Why's that? It's his premises.

0:29:210:29:25

We have a live writ.

0:29:250:29:27

You understand the writ is the end of the system?

0:29:270:29:30

Yeah, but, we didn't know that.

0:29:300:29:32

This case is proving far from straightforward.

0:29:320:29:34

It doesn't look like they are going to be willing to pay very easily.

0:29:340:29:38

They seem to be arguing the toss, that it's still with solicitors,

0:29:380:29:41

which it's not, so we'll see what happens.

0:29:410:29:44

But I don't think payment's going to be forthcoming on this one,

0:29:440:29:47

but there are assets here.

0:29:470:29:49

Half an hour later, the owner arrives.

0:29:510:29:54

My solicitor has already contacted the court. With a view to what?

0:29:540:29:58

With, obviously, whatever the situation, he's dealing with it.

0:29:580:30:02

The writ is still live and enforceable.

0:30:020:30:04

We can enforce this writ today, now.

0:30:040:30:07

Just because your solicitor has written to the court, or whatever,

0:30:070:30:11

it doesn't stop our action today.

0:30:110:30:13

The writ is live.

0:30:130:30:14

The writ orders us to come here and seize goods

0:30:140:30:18

to the value of this debt.

0:30:180:30:19

The case is under process, anyway.

0:30:190:30:21

So you're adamant you're not going to pay?

0:30:210:30:24

Sorry? No. We're not. Right.

0:30:240:30:25

OK, I'm going to call the trucks to get some of these vehicles removed.

0:30:250:30:30

Hello, it's Lawrence, who's that?

0:30:300:30:32

I need Cathy to order me, I would say, three tow trucks

0:30:320:30:36

to take vehicles away from this forecourt.

0:30:360:30:38

Yeah.

0:30:380:30:40

The tow trucks should arrive within the hour.

0:30:400:30:43

The brother threatens to call 999.

0:30:430:30:45

If it makes you happier, call the police. OK?

0:30:450:30:48

We like the police.

0:30:480:30:50

I'm surprised they've gone for that option.

0:30:510:30:54

I am. I think they're foolish, but there you go.

0:30:540:30:56

The brother's a proper barrack-room lawyer.

0:30:560:30:59

I know this, I know that, and he actually knows...

0:30:590:31:03

not a lot.

0:31:030:31:04

So with the tow trucks and the local police on their way,

0:31:040:31:08

the stand-off in Southall continues.

0:31:080:31:10

Back in Manchester, Pete returns to the construction company

0:31:180:31:21

for his 10 o'clock appointment

0:31:210:31:23

with the consultant who's dealing with the debt.

0:31:230:31:26

I've got some more vans coming back in.

0:31:260:31:29

I'll quickly get that reg number.

0:31:310:31:33

Another one to add to the list.

0:31:330:31:35

I'll pop back in here and see what's happening.

0:31:360:31:40

HE KNOCKS AT DOOR

0:31:400:31:42

HE KNOCKS AT DOOR

0:31:470:31:50

I can't see the guy's car that we spoke to earlier.

0:31:500:31:54

He's probably done one. I'll give him a quick call.

0:31:550:31:59

There's no answer from the mobile.

0:31:590:32:03

Just when Pete was starting to think he'd been duped,

0:32:040:32:08

the manager returns.

0:32:080:32:09

And he has news.

0:32:090:32:11

Hiya. You OK? Yeah. I'm going to deal with it. OK?

0:32:110:32:16

Um, now I've been speaking to Steve

0:32:160:32:20

and he's dealing with it with lawyers.

0:32:200:32:22

Right. He said serve the papers. Yeah. Whilst we are trying to deal

0:32:220:32:27

with the lawyers right now and to get this sorted,

0:32:270:32:29

and we are going to get it sorted one way or another.

0:32:290:32:33

So if you serve the papers on me we will resolve this.

0:32:330:32:36

What is he trying to resolve as such? A payment. A payment? Yeah.

0:32:360:32:40

Now, he's trying to do a deal based on the fact that the company

0:32:400:32:43

doesn't have any money at the moment. We have limited funds.

0:32:430:32:46

So he's trying to arrange either a payment plan, or a lump sum,

0:32:460:32:50

but that is in his hands.

0:32:500:32:51

That can be done through me. We take an initial payment.

0:32:510:32:54

We can sort a payment plan out.

0:32:540:32:56

He's not here, he's dealing with the lawyers.

0:32:560:32:58

If you give me your contact details.

0:32:580:32:59

It's all on the paperwork. Fantastic.

0:32:590:33:02

What I've done is list the vehicles in the yard, that I explained before.

0:33:020:33:05

We're not removing them, but we have levied them to protect the debt.

0:33:050:33:09

As you'll find out, they do not belong to our company.

0:33:090:33:12

The traffic-light trailers and generators,

0:33:120:33:14

have you got evidence of who owns those?

0:33:140:33:17

There'll be something somewhere but I don't have that right now,

0:33:170:33:20

but we can forward any information to you.

0:33:200:33:22

Have you got anything on site you can show us

0:33:220:33:25

to prove who owns what, that I've levied?

0:33:250:33:28

I wouldn't know where to start to look for it.

0:33:280:33:30

We can get some information to you in the next few days,

0:33:300:33:33

if that's acceptable.

0:33:330:33:35

That's fine. OK.

0:33:350:33:36

By listing the trucks,

0:33:380:33:39

Pete has increased the pressure on the business to pay the debt soon.

0:33:390:33:43

Can you read that, it's a walking possession agreement,

0:33:450:33:48

which means we will not move any goods today. All right.

0:33:480:33:51

The businessman has just five days to find the paperwork Pete is after.

0:33:510:33:55

If he can't establish his business doesn't own the vehicles,

0:33:550:33:59

Pete can remove them to settle the debt.

0:33:590:34:02

He said he can't put his hands on paperwork at the moment

0:34:020:34:04

to prove what belongs to them and what doesn't belong to them.

0:34:040:34:07

But there are enough goods there that could possibly be in their name,

0:34:070:34:12

so we would look to remove those if they don't make a payment.

0:34:120:34:16

And if they don't make a payment, Pete will be back,

0:34:160:34:19

and, next time, he'll have his tow trucks with him.

0:34:190:34:22

We asked Southern UK Road Services to comment.

0:34:240:34:28

They say they are a caring and nurturing business.

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We will return to this story later in the series.

0:34:310:34:35

At his home in London, Dr Ben wakes to find out how the sheriffs

0:34:410:34:44

are faring at the car dealership that sold him a faulty car.

0:34:440:34:49

The owner of the dealership has spoken to his solicitor again

0:34:510:34:54

and is trying to buy more time.

0:34:540:34:55

We need seven days,

0:34:570:34:59

yeah, for, obviously, a solicitor to get the letters back from the court.

0:34:590:35:03

And, obviously, we'll take it from there. No.

0:35:050:35:08

Why is that, because, obviously...? Because we have a live writ.

0:35:090:35:13

Let me just... You have to give notice. No, we don't.

0:35:130:35:15

You can't just come straight in. No, we don't.

0:35:150:35:18

You can't take the cars. Yes, we can. No, my friend. Yes, we can.

0:35:180:35:22

What I'm saying is we need seven days' notice so the solicitor

0:35:220:35:24

gets a letter back from the court, as well.

0:35:240:35:26

Obviously, they're going to set aside, anyway,

0:35:260:35:29

because we weren't present at the judgment

0:35:290:35:32

plus we didn't get the post.

0:35:320:35:33

So the court has to, obviously, consider all the circumstances

0:35:330:35:37

and then... Right. ..take it from there.

0:35:370:35:41

Everything you've said is correct,

0:35:410:35:43

other than the fact that you don't get seven days,

0:35:430:35:45

you don't get any time.

0:35:450:35:46

We're here with a live writ, as I've said to you.

0:35:460:35:50

The only way to prevent further action today is to pay.

0:35:500:35:53

I can't make the payment today. If I could, I would have.

0:35:530:35:56

The stuff's going to go, then.

0:35:560:35:57

With the dispute going nowhere, the local constabulary enters the fray

0:35:590:36:02

and Lawrence uses the opportunity

0:36:020:36:05

to tell the car dealer his overtime is building up.

0:36:050:36:09

We got here at 1:15

0:36:090:36:11

and we charge ?181.50 plus VAT per hour waiting time.

0:36:110:36:16

So you're now on two hours' waiting time,

0:36:160:36:19

so you've got another ?363 plus VAT. What time?

0:36:190:36:23

1:15.

0:36:230:36:24

I just spoke to my solicitor.

0:36:240:36:27

BROTHER: What we are doing is we can pay you some sort of money now.

0:36:270:36:30

It needs to be all of it. Sorry? It needs to be all of it.

0:36:300:36:33

It needs to be all of it? The full amount.

0:36:330:36:36

The reason being we are ordered here to remove, to seize goods

0:36:360:36:39

to the value of what's on the paperwork.

0:36:390:36:42

As far as the sheriffs are concerned, it's all or nothing

0:36:420:36:45

and they have strict rules about the form of payment, too.

0:36:450:36:49

OK, we'll give you the money. I'll get my cheque book.

0:36:490:36:52

We don't take cheques.

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A company cheque? Don't take cheques.

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So? Cleared funds. KEV: Debit card, credit card.

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Bank transfer, credit card, debit card. Any amount of cards.

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BROTHER: You expect someone to keep 5,000 in their pocket?

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It's a company cheque. We don't take checks.

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Where does it say that that you can't accept cheques?

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"Payment must be made to this office only..." Blah, blah, blah.

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"Cash, banker's draft,

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"building society cheque..." which isn't a cheque,

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it's equal to a banker's draft from a building society,

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"or credit or debit cards."

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We do not take cheques.

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If you can write a cheque, you can pay by debit card.

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We've got a chip-and-pin machine.

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And we can put it through.

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INDISTINCT SPEECH

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I'll just work out exactly how much it is for you.

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If my calculator's got enough digits!

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Because a cheque will go ba-doing, doing, doing.

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That will be the end of that.

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How are you paying? Card.

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Card?

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Debit or credit? Debit.

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I've got the key, I'll get it. Right. The amount is now ?6,056.69.

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Do you want to make a receipt first? No. A receipt first?!

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I'm going to pay you.

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You'll get a receipt after it's been paid.

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Do you mind if we stand in here, out of the rain?

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Cheers. Otherwise the paperwork will get wet

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and I won't be able to write on it.

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At last, three hours after they arrived,

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Lawrence and Kev achieve their objective.

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OK. I will now issue you a receipt.

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Just take that.

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Dr Ben will get his money.

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All that remains is the paperwork

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and Lawrence doesn't want to hang about.

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You get a copy of that, which is the additional expenses form.

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You get that, which is the first part of a notice of seizure.

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You get that, which is the second part of the notice.

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You get that, which is the inventory that goes with the notice.

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It's job done.

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Lovely. Thank you very much indeed. Thanks, guys.

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OK. We're going. Thank you very much.

0:39:060:39:08

Lawrence's ten-year experience as a sheriff helped him

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stay one step ahead of the car dealers.

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They all know this and know that. That's the problem you have.

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If people just listened to you and you could tell them actually

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how it is, and they took it in and understood it, you'd be all right.

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But when they've got half a dozen people advising them different things

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and none of them really know what's going on,

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it just makes it very awkward and the water gets very muddied.

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With their mission accomplished, Lawrence and Kev return to base.

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Dr Ben is about to find out what happened

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when the sheriffs visited the car dealers.

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They received payment of ?6,061.69 paid by debit card.

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End of report.

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So that looks like I've got my money back. Very happy.

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Very happy that I went with the sheriffs.

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Just very happy it's been resolved, actually and, yeah,

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hopefully, I've learned a lesson

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and, hopefully, these guys have, as well.

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"Debtor attitude - uncooperative.

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"Police in attendance."

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That's brilliant. That's a good end. Great stuff.

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It's now a month since Pete went to Southern UK Road services.

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After his visit, they made a repayment proposal

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to the former employee owed money, but it was rejected.

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Soon, Pete will be back and, this time, he won't leave empty-handed.

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In addition to the cash retrieved by Lawrence and Kev,

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Dr Ben also managed to reclaim over ?600

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in insurance and servicing costs,

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which he forgot to put through the courts.

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He hasn't bought a new car yet, but, next time,

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he's going to be more careful where he buys it.

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And it's now two months since Helen Sargent's former boss

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was visited by the High Court enforcement officers.

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Lawrence and Kev are trying to negotiate a monthly payment plan

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that Helen is happy with.

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At the moment, he is offering to pay the debt over a 15-year period.

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Helen is determined to wait as long as it takes.

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I'm not going to stop until the debt's been paid.

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It was ordered for a reason

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and he shouldn't be able to get away with it.

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It's not over until he's paid up in full.

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