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What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
I outlined the faults in the vehicle. He rejected all those. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
A court of law backs you, but you still don't get your money. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
You can't do that. It's illegal. I didn't think they'd do it to me. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
It's time to call the sheriffs. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We have every right to enter the premises by force, if necessary. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
We will be entering that building. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
who recover what a court judgement says is owed. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
The writ orders us to come here | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
and seize goods to the value of this debt. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
They're the experts in getting cash that's rightfully yours. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
?1,323. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
But fighting for the underdog is not a job for the faint-hearted. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
I will back that truck through your windscreen! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Debtors aren't pleased to see them. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Because they hate paying up. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Are you happy for me to leave you some paperwork? No, I'm not, go away! | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
In today's programme, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
26-year-old Helen Sargent suffered a traumatic experience at work. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
I managed to break free | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
and just ran out of the office as soon as I could. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Helen won her sexual-harassment case, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
but her ex-boss never gave her the money she was awarded. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Can the sheriffs put that right? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Crunch day is today. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
You need to sort out what you can sort out. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Sheriff Pete tries to track down the manager | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
of a construction company which owes a former employee ?8,000. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
KNOCKING | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
I can't see the guy's car that we spoke to earlier. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
And Dr Benedict Henry bought a car which was a disaster from day one. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
The dealers refused to fix it or give him his money back. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
He did inform you that he knew the law | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
and he just rejected my return of the vehicle. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
The sheriffs pay them a visit and, when things get heated, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
the police race to the scene. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
Helen Sargent lives in Epsom, Surrey. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Helen needs the help of the sheriffs after a distressing experience | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
at an office where she used to work. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
In 2005, Helen started a job as a PA to a mortgage adviser. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:29 | |
Initially, she got on well with her boss and everything was fine. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
He seemed quite friendly, chatty, confident. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
He seemed able to offer me a lot. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
He talked about the job prospects | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
and the things that I could learn and things like that. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
But after a few weeks, Helen, who was just 20 at the time, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
sensed a change of atmosphere in the office. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
I started noticing sexual remarks and jokes and innuendos | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
and they seem to be happening more frequently than when I first started. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
And it began to get uncomfortable. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
And it wasn't just talk. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
Soon after starting, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Helen was told about a rather disturbing daily ritual. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
I was informed that the routine when we arrived | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
and when we left was a kiss on the cheek. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
And so we'd have to go up to him and he's kiss us on the cheek | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
when we first arrived in the morning and then when we left. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
And I remember if we tried to get away with not doing this | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
and go straight to our desks, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
he would ask where his kiss this morning was. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Two months after Helen started, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
the inappropriate behaviour reached a whole new level. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
I think I was working to about seven o'clock. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
He'd stayed in the office, as well, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
and as I got up to say goodbye and kiss him on the cheek, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
um, his hand wandered down and started groping my bottom. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
And he was holding me in an embrace I couldn't get out of, | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
because he was quite a big man. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
And then I managed to break free | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
and just ran out of the office as soon as I could. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
The situation began to impact on Helen's health | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
to the point where she started having panic attacks | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
and suffering from depression. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
I wasn't sleeping, eating, wasn't really going out at the weekends | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and I turned into a nervous wreck. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
After six miserable months, Helen handed in her notice. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Finally, she found strength to tell her partner Chris, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
and her parents, what had been going on. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
As soon as I told my family, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
I felt cushioned, like a huge relief that everyone knew | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
and that they were there for me. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
They looked after me for the next couple of months. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
They got me better again. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
My mum and Chris, my husband, are responsible, um... | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Sorry. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
I just, um, don't know what I would have done without them. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
After weeks of soul searching, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Helen decided to take her former boss to an employment tribunal. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
I wanted to get justice for what had happened | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
and make him realise that it wasn't acceptable. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Just stop him from doing it in the future to anyone else. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Helen won her employment tribunal case and was awarded compensation. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
The amount I was awarded was ?38,000 | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
and that was a combination of injury to feelings, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
which is to do with how it affected me and the stress it caused | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
and the panic attacks and ongoing depression that had come from it. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
And, also, loss of earnings for the fact I couldn't go back | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
to full-time employment and I'd also lost a fairly good job | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
and been forced out of working there, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
and they took that into account, as well. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
But the tribunal just makes the award, it doesn't enforce it. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
And Helen's ex-boss refused to pay up. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
After four years of trying to get her money, Helen had little option. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:24 | |
She transferred her award to the High Court, got a writ | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
and asked the sheriffs to execute it. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
It's 6.30am and High Court enforcement officers Lawrence Grix | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
and Kevin McNally are on their way to the home of Helen's former boss. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
Enforcement officers, who are also known as sheriffs, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
do a job that dates back to Saxon times. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Because of interest and court costs, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
the figure owed by Helen's ex-boss is now ?44,000. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
It's a large sum but Lawrence and Kev have discovered | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
he owns a valuable Harley-Davidson motorbike. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
We've done a check on it. It is still registered to him. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
It is clear of finance | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
and we're hoping to find that there when we arrive. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
If we do, we'll immobilise it straight away. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
With something like that, a motorbike, a car, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
they can easily be driven away | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
if you don't secure them as soon as you see it. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
And then we'll give him a knock and see what he's got to say for himself | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
and see what sort of payment he's going to make. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
Lawrence and Kev have arrived. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
They can't see the Harley out front, so they get out and search on foot. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Lawrence has spotted an alley down the side of the house. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Kev doubts it's wide enough for a Harley. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
It's hardly wide enough for a Lawrence. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
He's never going to get a motorbike down there, dipstick. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
Get a mountain bike down there. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
With no sign of the Harley, there's nothing else for it, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
it's time to wake up Helen's former boss. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
If he isn't in, Helen won't be getting her money today. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
Unlike with commercial properties, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
the sheriffs can't break in to debtors' houses. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
KNOCKS ON DOOR | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
That's a bailiff knock. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Definitely not a postman. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
Yeah, light's on. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
Morning. I'm looking for a Mr Alan Finch. Would that be yourself, sir? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
MAN INSIDE: No, sorry. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
No, it's me. Mr Finch? Hello there, sir. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
If you put a light on, I'll show you my identification. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
My name is Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
I'm here today to reinforce the High Court writ | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
against you on behalf of a Miss Helen Sargent. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
You were found liable at an employment tribunal, I believe. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah? I am here today for ?44,022.12. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
How would you like to pay, sir? Yeah! Erm, I don't know. What's...? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
Well, we need a significant payment. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
We're here effectively for the full amount, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
but I can understand you're not going to have ?44,000 | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
sitting in your back pocket, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
but I need to know what sort of payment you can make today | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
to at least get the ball rolling. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
It's got to be something significant with this size of debt. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
You'll be lucky to get that, it's as simple as that. Significant in what? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Well, what, you know, I'm not going to give you a figure. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
You need to tell me what you can pay. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
A couple of hundred pounds I could do. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
That's not even going to scratch the surface. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
44,000. I haven't got 44,000. I can appreciate that. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
A couple of hundred is getting absolutely nowhere. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
You need to raise at least the value of your goods within | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
the property, or we will remove them instead. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I rent a room here. You rent a room here? Yes. You can see, look. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
Come in here and have a look. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Yeah, locks on everybody's doors, yeah. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
So you're upstairs, are you? Yes. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
It's bad news. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
Rather than living in a house full of removable goods, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
Helen's former boss lives in a rented upstairs flat. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Is there not somewhere you can borrow the money from? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
We can take someone else's card or something? 44,000, I can't... | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
No, but, for a significant amount. No. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Can I have today to sort the...? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
No, sir, we're here now. We will seize goods now. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
You know where I am. With respect, sir, this goes back a couple of years | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
and you've not paid any of it. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
So, when judgment was made against you at the tribunal, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
you just thought, "Unless somebody chases me, I can forget it, then." | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
No, but... You know. Since I walked away on that day, I've had no... | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
It has been two years, Sir, you've not attempted to pay anything, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
so we are certainly not going to go away and come back. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
You know, crunch day is today, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
so you need to go and sort out what you can sort out. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
If the sheriffs do fail to get Helen any money, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
she will only have to pay the initial ?60 court fee. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
At this point, our camera operator was asked not to enter the building. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
Negotiations continue behind closed doors. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
After an hour, Kev emerges | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
and gets the chip-and-pin machine out of the car. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Perhaps things are looking up for Helen. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Half an hour later, Kev and Lawrence re-emerge. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
But what is the result? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
It turns out the property is just rented out as rooms | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
and all he's got is a room on the first floor, no real assets, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
he had a flat screen TV. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
An Apple laptop and an iPhone were about the major assets. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
He had some model railway carriages, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
which potentially have some value in them to somebody, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
but really there was nothing there to seize. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
No sign of the Harley-Davidson, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
although he has got Harley memorabilia all over the place, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
so we believe he's still got the Harley. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
So, in the end, we've settled for ?1,000, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
which is all he could come up with today. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
He didn't even want to part with that, and, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
to be fair, when you've got no leverage of any goods, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
?1,000 was pretty good, really, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
because the stuff in there would have raised probably 150 quid at auction. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
So we've achieved more than we would have done | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
by seizing what few assets he had got. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
But we still need to find the Harley-Davidson. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
Personally, what I would do in this situation, because I drive | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
through this way on a regular basis to and from work, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
is make a slight detour to come down this road | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
and see if the thing's ever outside his house. I'll carry my lock, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
I carry a copy of the writ with me and, if I see it here, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
I'll immobilise it and give him a knock | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
and, if necessary, take it away. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Lawrence also got Helen's boss to sign paperwork | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
which gives him access all areas if he does need to come back. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
We can re-enter the premises at any time | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
to make sure the things we've seized are still there, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
because they are supposed to remain on the premises. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
If we need to, we can break in, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
that's what the agreement empowers us to do, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
because the goods we seized are no longer his property, technically. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
They now belong to the court. So if we need to do that, we will do that. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
But, for now, Lawrence and Kev will have to settle for ?1,000. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Just another 43,000 to go before Helen gets what she is owed. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
Kev and Lawrence travelling to the next early-morning job | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
at a builder's home in Norfolk. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
They've tried visiting him three times before, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
but he's never been in. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
The amount he owes one of his suppliers now totals ?8,500. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
Everybody deserves to be paid for the services | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
they provided or the materials they provided. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
If they're a small business, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
a debt like this could have them on the edge. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
So it's not for us to judge. Somebody owes the money we collect it. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
They've arrived at the builder's house. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I'm sure I haven't seen that Jeep before. Wasn't there, was it? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
The sheriffs usually go for a stealthy approach. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
But Kev's got different ideas. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
CAR HORN TOOTS | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
KEV SNIGGERS What are you beeping at me for? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
Seeing a different car on the drive has raised Lawrence's hopes | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
he'll finally meet the builder in person. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
And there's another clue that the builder is back from holiday. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Post been collected from last time. KNOCKS ON DOOR | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Even if the builder is home, he may take some rousing at 7am. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
There's a newspaper in there. Unless it's a local rag, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
if you have a newspaper delivered, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
you're normally in to read it, aren't you? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
If necessary, Lawrence could get a tow truck | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
to remove the builder's car, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
but first he needs to prove it belongs to the business. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Oh, look, it must be his vehicle. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Federation of Master Builders thing in the window. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
This wasn't here last time, this Jeep. No. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Kev's just seen signs of life inside. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
There you go. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
Somebody here, is there? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Hello, sir. Hello. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:57 | |
I'm looking for a Clive Brown, would that be yourself? | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
I'll show you some ID, sir. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Mr Grix, I'm an enforcement officer. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
We're here to execute a High Court writ. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
You owe the sum in total of ?8,563.41. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
If you can't pay that in full today, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
we're here to remove goods to clear the debt. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
We've left paperwork before and had no response from you. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
I haven't seen any paperwork, because I haven't been here. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
I've been abroad. And when did you get back, sir? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
On 7th October. Right. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
7th October? Yes. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
We were here not that long ago. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
We left mail in your box there, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
which can't be opened by anybody who hasn't got a key, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
so you have the letter, sir. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
If I have, I've had it. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
Right. I've put in for a winding-up order, anyhow. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
We've been at the courts... Yeah. ..to go bankrupt. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Have you got paperwork, sir? They're still sorting it out. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Have you paid your ?500 to make yourself bankrupt? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
My accountant paid it, should have done. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Right, have you got proof of that? Not here, no. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
Right, has your accountant got proof of it? I should hope so. Yes. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Have you got a fax machine here? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Yes. Is he able to fax it over to you? I can speak to him at 10. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
He gets in at 10, does he? That's going to be a bit too late. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
If we've got no proof of that then, basically, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
we're looking to remove that vehicle today to clear the debt. Yeah? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
Yeah. Or, can I give you a cheque? Don't take cheques, sir. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Cleared funds. But we don't take cheques. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Cards, we do credit cards, debit cards, we do cash. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
You can do a bank transfer online. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I can pay you some on a card, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
but I haven't got a card that would take it all. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I can pay you some on the card and... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
How much can you pay on the card, sir? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Um, ?3,000. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Right, have you got another card you can pay the rest on, or anything? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
How much...? When you say you're going to give us a cheque | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
you were going to give us a cheque for the full amount? Well... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
The builder asks for the camera to stay outside | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
while he negotiates with the sheriffs. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
His offer goes up to 5, then ?7,000. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
And, finally, the full amount, 8,500. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
But he says he needs two hours to source the funds. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Kev gets the debit-card machine | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
and Lawrence breaks some bad news about overtime charges. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Unfortunately, we charge ?181.50 an hour waiting time. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
You get the first hour. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
We were here at dead on seven so you get to 8 o'clock free. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
If it goes to quarter past, I'll cut you some slack, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
if we get near the next hour, nine o'clock, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
then I will be charging the hour's waiting time. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
We'll try and do our best for you. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
The builder rapidly finds the funds. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
That's it. OK. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
It's mission accomplished. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Here is your one, Mr Brown. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
OK, Mr Brown, thank you. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Lawrence and Kev's persistence | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
paid dividends for the builder's supplier owed the money. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Take care. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
Initially, he offered 3,500. We pushed and then he offered five, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
we pushed some more. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:02 | |
I asked him to show me what he had in the account. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
He had 7,000 in basically a brand-new account, so we took that | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and he offered the a card for his old account for the balance. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
So it's paid in full. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
Without any drama at all. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
But he didn't want his vehicle to go. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
That was our leverage, the vehicle sitting on the drive. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
Successful job, fourth time lucky. We don't give up. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
If we know somebody's there, we'll come back and back and back and back | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
until we get what we want. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
8am and sheriff Pete Spencer is on his way | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
to Southern UK Road Services in Manchester. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
The company owes ?8,000 to Lesley McGowan-Stonier, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
a former employee unfairly dismissed after being signed off sick. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
She took the company to a tribunal and they settled out of court. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
But the company still hasn't paid Lesley, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
so she got a High Court writ for the cash. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
For Pete and his colleagues, business is booming. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
There seems to been that much debt around, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
or people trying not to pay things, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
and it's generally the innocent people, really, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
that haven't done anything wrong that are owed the money | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and a lot of companies out there | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
are trying to get away from not paying what's owed. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
Pete's arrived, but the business is all closed up. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Sheriffs are allowed to scale fences | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
and climb walls to get into commercial properties if necessary. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
But, understandably, Pete doesn't fancy that here. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
On the plus side, there are vans in the car park. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
If they belong to the business, he could remove them | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
to help clear the debt. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
This potentially could be one of theirs, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
so I'll see if I can get a reg number off this. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
There's nobody about. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
We'll hang around for 15 or 20 minutes, just in case | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
they do start at nine o'clock, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
we've got a couple of reg numbers of vehicles on the compounds, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
so we'll levy them | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
and leave a levy sheet | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
and we'll get the office to HPR and DVLA-check them | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
as well, to see if they come back to them and they're finance free. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
Things are looking up. Someone's arrived. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Hi, good morning. Hello. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
Southern UK Road Services Ltd? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I'm an enforcement officer enforcing a High Court writ today. Right. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
That's my identification. Yeah. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
It's regarding the claim of Lesley McGowan-Stonier | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
against, obviously, this company that we're visiting. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
?7,873.75. Right. We're looking for payment today. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
Or we potentially could be removing vehicles. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
There is a colleague of mine who is supposed to be dealing with this. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
He's not in at the moment. What time will he be in, do you know? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
Probably a bit after 10, but what I'll do is, um... | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Do you want to try getting him on the phone | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
and see if you can give you information regarding it? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
It might be another option. Can you give me five minutes? Fine, yes. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
A quick question. I've taken the vehicles as staff vehicles | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
and I've listed them, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
but there's no point with them being staff vehicles. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
We've got the other vehicles up here, anyway. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
I just thought then I'd chat to him to get myself in the yard, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
so now we can list some more vehicles. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
The guy you need to talk to, I've just spoken to him, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
he's on his way in but he won't be in until later. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
OK, do you know what time? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
I think it's going to be something like between 10 and 10.30. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
If you come back a bit later, I'll talk to him. 10 o'clock? Right, OK. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
That's fine. Somebody will be here about ten-ish. OK. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Cheers, thank you. Sorry about that. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
I'm not trying to be evasive. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
No, that's fine. No problem, we'll pop back about ten-ish. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
10am is an hour away. Pete will have to bide his time. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
Dr Benedict Henry is a psychologist in London, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
who needs the help of the High Court enforcement officers | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
after a car purchase went wrong. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
This is the car, which I bought from Car Club London. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
It hasn't worked at all for a number of months. They are aware of that. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
The Audi A3 cost Ben over ?4,000, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
but it broke down within days of him buying it. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
An Audi garage said it needed over ?2,000 of repairs. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Ben took it back to where he bought it from. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
I outlined the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
but he rejected all those. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
I outlined the faults in the vehicle. Again, he rejected those. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
I was left with no reasonable resolution to the problem | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
at that point. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
He did inform me he knew the law, and that's a quote. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
He said, "I know the law with regards to car dealing." | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
He'd been doing it for three or four years, he said. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
And he just rejected my return of the vehicle to his premises. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
Ben was convinced the dealer was in the wrong. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
He studied consumer law on the internet | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
and went to the County Court to try to get his money back. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
To be honest, I wasn't that hopeful, because I assumed they wouldn't pay. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
Because they'd stopped any correspondence with me. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
They avoided accepting any responsibility for things | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
and they hadn't dealt with me in a professional manner at all. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
I assumed that things probably wouldn't go in my favour. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
But Ben did get judgment in his favour in the court case. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
However, that wasn't the end of the story. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Even though the verdict went Ben's way, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
the car dealer still didn't give him his money back. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
So Ben went to the High Court to get a writ. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Now, sheriffs Kev and Lawrence | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
are on their way to the car dealership in London to execute it. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
If the dealers don't play ball, the officers will remove cars, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
auction them, and give the proceeds to Ben. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
We're looking for just under ?5,500. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
If the company is still there, it is a limited company, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
that they will have sufficient stock to warrant them paying us. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
But you never know. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
It could have changed to another company. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
It could be different people there altogether. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
We won't know until we get there. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
But I'm hoping that the actual defendant company | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
will still be there and I have plenty of stock on the forecourt. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
The sheriffs need to track down the owner of the dealership. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
That's easier said than done. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
The office is deserted. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
So they try phoning him. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
My name is Mr Grix. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
I'm an enforcement... | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Grix. G-R-I-X. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
I'm an enforcement officer | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
and I'm here today to execute a High Court writ. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
I'm here... Execute a High Court writ. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
I'm here today to seize your stock on the forecourt | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
to clear a debt of ?5,567.09. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Your vehicles are going to be seized | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
and, if necessary, removed to cover the debt. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Any vehicles on the forecourt that will cover the debt. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
You've sold the business to someone else. They've opened a new company. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Right. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
They're in the process of opening it? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
They're in the process of opening it? | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
Right, so they're not trading yet? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Right, so all these vehicles here are your responsibility, sir. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
All these vehicles here are your responsibility, aren't they? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
You are alleging that these are customers vehicles, OK? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
So, presumably, if the new company is not trading yet, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
you're still trading. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
So you're selling these vehicles on behalf of the customers? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
So you need to come down with your paperwork to verify that, sir. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
Yes, we're going to wait here, yes. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
You need to do that as soon as possible, sir. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
OK. Bye-bye. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
For Lawrence, past experience proves | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
he has to move quick in this kind of scenario. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
You can only hit once with a car dealer. Because the stock will go. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
It just won't be here. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
Someone has arrived to talk to the High Court enforcement officers. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
He says he is the owner's brother. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
My name is Mr Grix. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I'm an enforcement officer. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
I'm here to execute a High Court writ on behalf of Dr Benedict Henry | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
against Car Club London Ltd | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
and I'm here today to seize goods to the value of ?5,567.09. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
The only way to prevent that happening is to pay in full, sir. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
OK. We have been speaking to the solicitor. Yeah? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
I can give you the solicitor's phone number. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
I don't wish to speak to the solicitor. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Speak to the court about it. Right. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I just called her, she is out for lunch. Right. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
I don't need to speak to the solicitor, sir. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
I have a High Court writ. | 0:27:58 | 0:27:59 | |
Which orders me, it orders me to come here | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
and seize goods to the value of this debt. I've got a right. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
Yeah. I've got a right, like, to stop this. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
Yeah, legally, our solicitor is going to speak to the court. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
We have a live writ and we are here today to seize goods | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
to clear the debt. Whatever your solicitor is doing, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
speaking to the courts, there is a High Court writ active. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
This is live now. Which is why we're here. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Your brother just told me none of the vehicles here belong to the company. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
They belong to third parties. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
You're selling them on behalf of private individuals, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
which I find very hard to believe. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
He also told me the business is no longer running, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
it's been sold to another company. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
It's not sold yet. We are actually selling it. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
That's not what your brother told me. It might be misunderstood. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Maybe you misheard it. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
But he said we haven't sold it yet. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
It's not been sold yet. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
We are the owners. Yeah, he's here, he's on his way. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
That's cool if he's here, but there is a writ. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
These vehicles belong to Car Club London? | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
You're selling them yourselves? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
You're not selling them on behalf of the parties are you? I don't know. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
You don't know? You work together, but you don't know. He's the owner. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
The man may not be the owner, but he's sure he knows | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
what the owner's going to say when he arrives. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
He's not giving no money. You can't even seize the cars, you can't. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Why's that? It's his premises. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
We have a live writ. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
You understand the writ is the end of the system? | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
Yeah, but, we didn't know that. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
This case is proving far from straightforward. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
It doesn't look like they are going to be willing to pay very easily. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
They seem to be arguing the toss, that it's still with solicitors, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
which it's not, so we'll see what happens. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
But I don't think payment's going to be forthcoming on this one, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
but there are assets here. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Half an hour later, the owner arrives. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
My solicitor has already contacted the court. With a view to what? | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
With, obviously, whatever the situation, he's dealing with it. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
The writ is still live and enforceable. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
We can enforce this writ today, now. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Just because your solicitor has written to the court, or whatever, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
it doesn't stop our action today. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
The writ is live. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
The writ orders us to come here and seize goods | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
to the value of this debt. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
The case is under process, anyway. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
So you're adamant you're not going to pay? | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Sorry? No. We're not. Right. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
OK, I'm going to call the trucks to get some of these vehicles removed. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
Hello, it's Lawrence, who's that? | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
I need Cathy to order me, I would say, three tow trucks | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
to take vehicles away from this forecourt. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
The tow trucks should arrive within the hour. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
The brother threatens to call 999. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
If it makes you happier, call the police. OK? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
We like the police. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
I'm surprised they've gone for that option. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
I am. I think they're foolish, but there you go. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
The brother's a proper barrack-room lawyer. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
I know this, I know that, and he actually knows... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
not a lot. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
So with the tow trucks and the local police on their way, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
the stand-off in Southall continues. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
Back in Manchester, Pete returns to the construction company | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
for his 10 o'clock appointment | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
with the consultant who's dealing with the debt. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
I've got some more vans coming back in. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
I'll quickly get that reg number. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Another one to add to the list. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
I'll pop back in here and see what's happening. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
HE KNOCKS AT DOOR | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
HE KNOCKS AT DOOR | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
I can't see the guy's car that we spoke to earlier. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
He's probably done one. I'll give him a quick call. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
There's no answer from the mobile. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
Just when Pete was starting to think he'd been duped, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
the manager returns. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
And he has news. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Hiya. You OK? Yeah. I'm going to deal with it. OK? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
Um, now I've been speaking to Steve | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
and he's dealing with it with lawyers. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
Right. He said serve the papers. Yeah. Whilst we are trying to deal | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
with the lawyers right now and to get this sorted, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
and we are going to get it sorted one way or another. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
So if you serve the papers on me we will resolve this. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
What is he trying to resolve as such? A payment. A payment? Yeah. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
Now, he's trying to do a deal based on the fact that the company | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
doesn't have any money at the moment. We have limited funds. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
So he's trying to arrange either a payment plan, or a lump sum, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
but that is in his hands. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:51 | |
That can be done through me. We take an initial payment. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
We can sort a payment plan out. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
He's not here, he's dealing with the lawyers. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
If you give me your contact details. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
It's all on the paperwork. Fantastic. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
What I've done is list the vehicles in the yard, that I explained before. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
We're not removing them, but we have levied them to protect the debt. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
As you'll find out, they do not belong to our company. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
The traffic-light trailers and generators, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
have you got evidence of who owns those? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
There'll be something somewhere but I don't have that right now, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
but we can forward any information to you. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Have you got anything on site you can show us | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
to prove who owns what, that I've levied? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
I wouldn't know where to start to look for it. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
We can get some information to you in the next few days, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
if that's acceptable. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
That's fine. OK. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
By listing the trucks, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
Pete has increased the pressure on the business to pay the debt soon. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
Can you read that, it's a walking possession agreement, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
which means we will not move any goods today. All right. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
The businessman has just five days to find the paperwork Pete is after. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
If he can't establish his business doesn't own the vehicles, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
Pete can remove them to settle the debt. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
He said he can't put his hands on paperwork at the moment | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
to prove what belongs to them and what doesn't belong to them. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
But there are enough goods there that could possibly be in their name, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
so we would look to remove those if they don't make a payment. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
And if they don't make a payment, Pete will be back, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
and, next time, he'll have his tow trucks with him. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
We asked Southern UK Road Services to comment. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
They say they are a caring and nurturing business. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
We will return to this story later in the series. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
At his home in London, Dr Ben wakes to find out how the sheriffs | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
are faring at the car dealership that sold him a faulty car. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
The owner of the dealership has spoken to his solicitor again | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
and is trying to buy more time. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:55 | |
We need seven days, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
yeah, for, obviously, a solicitor to get the letters back from the court. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
And, obviously, we'll take it from there. No. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
Why is that, because, obviously...? Because we have a live writ. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Let me just... You have to give notice. No, we don't. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
You can't just come straight in. No, we don't. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
You can't take the cars. Yes, we can. No, my friend. Yes, we can. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
What I'm saying is we need seven days' notice so the solicitor | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
gets a letter back from the court, as well. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
Obviously, they're going to set aside, anyway, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
because we weren't present at the judgment | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
plus we didn't get the post. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:33 | |
So the court has to, obviously, consider all the circumstances | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
and then... Right. ..take it from there. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Everything you've said is correct, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
other than the fact that you don't get seven days, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
you don't get any time. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
We're here with a live writ, as I've said to you. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
The only way to prevent further action today is to pay. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
I can't make the payment today. If I could, I would have. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
The stuff's going to go, then. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
With the dispute going nowhere, the local constabulary enters the fray | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
and Lawrence uses the opportunity | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
to tell the car dealer his overtime is building up. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
We got here at 1:15 | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
and we charge ?181.50 plus VAT per hour waiting time. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
So you're now on two hours' waiting time, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
so you've got another ?363 plus VAT. What time? | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
1:15. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
I just spoke to my solicitor. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
BROTHER: What we are doing is we can pay you some sort of money now. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
It needs to be all of it. Sorry? It needs to be all of it. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
It needs to be all of it? The full amount. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
The reason being we are ordered here to remove, to seize goods | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
to the value of what's on the paperwork. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
As far as the sheriffs are concerned, it's all or nothing | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
and they have strict rules about the form of payment, too. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
OK, we'll give you the money. I'll get my cheque book. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
We don't take cheques. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
A company cheque? Don't take cheques. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
So? Cleared funds. KEV: Debit card, credit card. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Bank transfer, credit card, debit card. Any amount of cards. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
BROTHER: You expect someone to keep 5,000 in their pocket? | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
It's a company cheque. We don't take checks. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Where does it say that that you can't accept cheques? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
"Payment must be made to this office only..." Blah, blah, blah. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
"Cash, banker's draft, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
"building society cheque..." which isn't a cheque, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
it's equal to a banker's draft from a building society, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
"or credit or debit cards." | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
We do not take cheques. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
If you can write a cheque, you can pay by debit card. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
We've got a chip-and-pin machine. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
And we can put it through. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
INDISTINCT SPEECH | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
I'll just work out exactly how much it is for you. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
If my calculator's got enough digits! | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
Because a cheque will go ba-doing, doing, doing. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
That will be the end of that. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
How are you paying? Card. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:02 | |
Card? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Debit or credit? Debit. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
I've got the key, I'll get it. Right. The amount is now ?6,056.69. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
Do you want to make a receipt first? No. A receipt first?! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
I'm going to pay you. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
You'll get a receipt after it's been paid. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Do you mind if we stand in here, out of the rain? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
Cheers. Otherwise the paperwork will get wet | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
and I won't be able to write on it. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
At last, three hours after they arrived, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Lawrence and Kev achieve their objective. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
OK. I will now issue you a receipt. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Just take that. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
Dr Ben will get his money. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
All that remains is the paperwork | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
and Lawrence doesn't want to hang about. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
You get a copy of that, which is the additional expenses form. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
You get that, which is the first part of a notice of seizure. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
You get that, which is the second part of the notice. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
You get that, which is the inventory that goes with the notice. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
It's job done. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
Lovely. Thank you very much indeed. Thanks, guys. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
OK. We're going. Thank you very much. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Lawrence's ten-year experience as a sheriff helped him | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
stay one step ahead of the car dealers. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
They all know this and know that. That's the problem you have. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
If people just listened to you and you could tell them actually | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
how it is, and they took it in and understood it, you'd be all right. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
But when they've got half a dozen people advising them different things | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
and none of them really know what's going on, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
it just makes it very awkward and the water gets very muddied. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
With their mission accomplished, Lawrence and Kev return to base. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:42 | |
Dr Ben is about to find out what happened | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
when the sheriffs visited the car dealers. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
They received payment of ?6,061.69 paid by debit card. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
End of report. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
So that looks like I've got my money back. Very happy. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Very happy that I went with the sheriffs. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
Just very happy it's been resolved, actually and, yeah, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
hopefully, I've learned a lesson | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
and, hopefully, these guys have, as well. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
"Debtor attitude - uncooperative. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
"Police in attendance." | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
That's brilliant. That's a good end. Great stuff. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
It's now a month since Pete went to Southern UK Road services. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
After his visit, they made a repayment proposal | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
to the former employee owed money, but it was rejected. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Soon, Pete will be back and, this time, he won't leave empty-handed. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
In addition to the cash retrieved by Lawrence and Kev, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
Dr Ben also managed to reclaim over ?600 | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
in insurance and servicing costs, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
which he forgot to put through the courts. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
He hasn't bought a new car yet, but, next time, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
he's going to be more careful where he buys it. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
And it's now two months since Helen Sargent's former boss | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
was visited by the High Court enforcement officers. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Lawrence and Kev are trying to negotiate a monthly payment plan | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
that Helen is happy with. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
At the moment, he is offering to pay the debt over a 15-year period. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
Helen is determined to wait as long as it takes. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I'm not going to stop until the debt's been paid. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
It was ordered for a reason | 0:41:31 | 0:41:32 | |
and he shouldn't be able to get away with it. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
It's not over until he's paid up in full. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
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