Episode 2 The Sheriffs Are Coming


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-Meet the Sheriffs.

-Let's go and introduce ourselves.

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-We're High Court Enforcement Officers.

-We're here today to execute a High Court writ.

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Their job is to get you your money back.

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It's an arrestable offence to stop me doing my job.

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If you've been ripped off and don't know where to turn...

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-I'm not waiting any more.

-I'm ordered to seize goods to clear this debt,

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which would be clearing this place out.

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..if you've been to court but still not been paid what you're owed...

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Why don't you just tell me who you are? This is an absolute crock. You need to pay this.

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..it's time to call the Sheriffs.

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-I've seized your car, sir.

-You can have a letter through the door, or we'll go through the window.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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They're Enforcement Officers of the High Court,

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and the law says...

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they're on your side.

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Just collected 42 grand.

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Coming up - fitness instructor Qamar Ahmed plunged into debt

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when the company he worked for didn't pay him for months.

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'I was behind on mortgage payments. It just became impossible to hold on to my property,'

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and it was repossessed.

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Can Sheriff Lawrence Grix weigh in and get him what he's owed?

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I'm ordered here to seize goods to clear the debt.

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I'm starting to lose patience, to be honest.

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When Lawrence and Kev visit a man with many identities...

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You could call yourself Basil Brush. We can enforce against an alias.

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..which one doesn't want them in his house?

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Don't put your hands on me!

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Yeah, what?! What?!

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And tempers fray when the Sheriffs visit a tissue factory.

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-Don't

-(BLEEP)

-touch my bloody stuff again!

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Will the Sheriffs be soft or strong as they battle to recover an unpaid debt?

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I don't want to stop your business from trading, but that's where we're at.

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It's 6.30am, and Enforcement Officers Lawrence Grix

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and Kev McNally are on the road.

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They're in Hayling Island, near Portsmouth,

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on their way to meet a man of many names.

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We've got a defendant by the name of Mr Joseph White.

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The Sheriffs have visited the address before, but the man

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living there claimed not to be Joseph White, but Joseph McVeigh.

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What's more, vehicles there belonged to a Joseph Mayday.

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Lawrence, however, believes all these Josephs are one

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and the same person, and intends to prove it so he can enforce the writ.

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He's given us the runaround a bit, but hopefully today, we've got sufficient paperwork with us,

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sufficient evidence to shut the man up, basically.

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The total due is £28,605.32.

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Lawrence and Kev are visiting on behalf of two former tenants

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who've been awarded substantial sums by the court

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after falling into dispute with landlord Joseph White over their tenancy deposit.

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Arriving at the substantial premises,

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it's looking hopeful there'll be seizable assets on site.

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No-one's up.

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It gives Lawrence plenty of time to list vehicles to potentially seize.

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There was a noise there. There's definitely someone in.

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Finally, they manage to raise someone from inside the house.

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-Hello there, sir.

-Hi.

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I'm looking for Joseph White AKA Joseph McVeigh,

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formerly known as Joseph Mayday - would that be yourself, sir?

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Who?

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Joseph White AKA Joseph McVeigh, formerly known as Joseph Mayday...

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No.

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Recognise him from the photo.

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At this point, our cameraman is asked to leave.

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The man says he IS Joseph McVeigh.

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You were formerly Joseph Mayday, is that correct?

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Did you change your name by deed poll, did you?

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Mr McVeigh confirms he WAS known as Joseph Mayday

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but denies he has ever been known as Joseph White.

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This is a problem for Lawrence, as Joseph White is the name on his writ.

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Lawrence is convinced Mr McVeigh IS Mr White,

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but he has to prove it.

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Yeah, it's you, sir, and we're here today to seize goods

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to the value of £28,605.32.

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The man says he knows nothing about the case

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and continues to insist he's not Mr White.

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Right, who owns the Nissan Navara?

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Lawrence threatens to remove the car.

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Mr McVeigh says he can't, because it belongs to his son.

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If your son doesn't live here,

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why does he leave all his vehicles here...and where's your vehicle?

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These are your vehicles, aren't they?

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They're registered in your son's name.

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Well, we require proof otherwise, sir.

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He needs to come down with proof of ownership, sir,

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or we're going to remove, OK?

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Mr McVeigh goes inside to contact his son.

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Meanwhile, Lawrence and Kev have found something interesting in the paperwork.

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Who does a "J" like that?

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That's him.

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Comparing two signatures,

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Lawrence believes the distinctive "J"s

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are a dead giveaway that they're signed by one person.

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He believes he's got his man.

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Look at that "J".

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That is you, sir. There is the "J" of J White, you have signed that.

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Yes, you have, sir.

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It's very identifiable, isn't it?

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Highly identifiable. You are also known as Joseph White.

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That's quite...that's quite an unmistakable "J".

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Even faced with Lawrence's evidence, Mr McVeigh insists

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he is not Mr White.

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But Lawrence is convinced.

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-You're known as J White, Joseph White.

-No.

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Yes, you are, sir. We can enforce against an alias.

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If you're the person... You could call yourself Basil Brush.

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If you're the person known as Basil Brush,

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then we can enforce against you or Basil Brush.

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With negotiations going nowhere, Kev decides to step things up.

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Determined to get the former tenants the money they're owed,

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he heads to the van to get the clamp for the Navara.

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Meanwhile, and much to his surprise...

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Oh, he's gone in.

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..Lawrence is invited into the house.

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Perhaps Mr McVeigh doesn't realise that once inside,

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Lawrence can get listing assets, and not even the police can remove him.

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I'm surprised he's been invited in, to be fair.

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'You've now let me into your house, so I will be clearing it out.

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'That is how it goes.'

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This is not what the man expected

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when he invited Lawrence into the house.

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He begins to take exception to Lawrence's presence.

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'We're not bouncers with a clipboard -

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'we're authorised to come here by the High Court.

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'I'm not leaving the premises, sir.

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'I'm within my rights to be here, and I will be removing goods today

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'unless you clear this debt.'

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Suddenly, tempers fray.

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'No, don't try and push me out of the house, sir.'

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With the temperature rising inside, Kev goes to Lawrence's aid.

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Come in, mate.

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Don't put your hands on me!

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Don't...don't put your hands on me!

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Don't put your hands on me!

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I've gained peaceful entry, which entitles my colleague

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and anybody else I invite in...

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With things turning nasty, the police are called.

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While they wait for them to arrive, Lawrence ramps up the pressure.

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I'll need a truck to take away a Nissan Navara.

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It's already on the file - 57 plate, Nissan Navara.

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And Lawrence's tactics have an immediate effect.

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Despite continuing to insist he's not the debtor Mr White,

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Mr McVeigh agrees to pay off some of the debt - £5,000.

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But Lawrence is holding out for more.

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I might be able to take half.

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The debt, as it stands at the moment, is not what's on there obviously,

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cos we've had lots of visits.

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With Lawrence standing firm,

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Mr McVeigh ups his payment to £7,000 of the 28,000 owed.

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With matters reaching a conclusion for today,

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the police car is cancelled.

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My colleague's in the process of taking the clamp off your van.

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That's your copy of the receipt.

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And with a part payment, it's over for today.

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Lawrence's canny detective work

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and tenacious arguing has once again come up trumps.

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As far as I'm concerned, that was a result

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because there's not a lot of evidence that Joseph McVeigh

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is or was Joseph White.

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I'm pretty sure he is,

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and the fact that he volunteered to pay some money sort of implies that.

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That will keep the wolf from the door for the time being.

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And he can take whatever legal action he needs to take,

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and obviously we'll go by whatever the court says.

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After we filmed, Joseph White AKA Joseph McVeigh...

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He and his former tenants attended court, where they...

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..in full and final settlement.

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It's early morning, and Enforcement Officers Lawrence and Kev

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are in the van again and coming into Watford.

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They're here to settle a debt with a local gym, Fitness4Less,

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whose relationship with a personal trainer hasn't...worked out.

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With a gym, I would think you'd find sufficient assets there to clear

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the debt, so we'll be looking for full payment.

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The man they're on their way to help is Qamar Ahmed, from Watford.

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His personal fitness is everything to him,

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and working out is his passion.

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But it's not just a hobby - it's also his livelihood,

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as a professional personal trainer.

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After deciding to make personal training his career seven years ago,

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Qamar took a job with a local gym, Sports Academy.

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It's the best job I've had, it was fantastic.

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But Sports Academy ran into financial problems,

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with wages paid only sporadically.

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The company was taken over by a new firm, Fitness4Less.

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They inherited the Sports Academy wage bill

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and Qamar and the other staff

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hoped they'd finally get paid what they were owed.

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Two breaths, let's go.

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But at a meeting with staff,

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the new owner had some hugely disappointing news.

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They categorically said that they're not going to pay our wages

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in front of the previous owner who had, five minutes before,

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just said that the new owners will pay us our backdated wages.

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Qamar was owed just over £4,000 in unpaid wages,

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so, together with the other disgruntled staff,

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he agreed to help bring legal action to fight their case.

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They had already made it pretty obvious

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they had no intention of paying us that money.

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So that was the only sensible thing to do.

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We had to take it through the courts,

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so we had to stick together

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and we had to take this to the tribunal.

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When the judge heard the case,

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he ruled that when the business was sold,

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the new owner should take on the responsibility

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for the previous company's unpaid debts,

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including backdated wages.

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It was vindication for Qamar.

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Justice.

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Justice has been done. Absolutely.

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It was a great feeling.

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But getting the money he was owed wasn't quite as simple as that.

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Fitness4Less began to settle with Sports Academy's former employees,

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but a signed agreement for Qamar wasn't forthcoming.

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A lot of my colleagues at this point started to get paid off.

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I was still being positive, I was thinking,

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OK, maybe they're going through reverse alphabetical order

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and I'm going to get paid right at the end.

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So I was waiting and waiting and waiting

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and that money just did not come through.

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The stress of the legal fight

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and failure to pay him the money he was owed

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took its toll on Qamar.

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He was diagnosed with acute depression

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and signed off work.

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That was the beginning of my dark path

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that I had to go down. I found myself alone,

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I found myself often spending days

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with the curtains shut...

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and I just didn't want to be seen by anyone, really.

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Without his unpaid wages,

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Qamar's financial situation went from bad to worse.

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Eventually, it cost him his home.

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That's where I used to live.

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As soon as I stopped getting paid by Fitness4Less

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I was behind on mortgage payments.

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It just became impossible to hold on to my property

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and it was repossessed.

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I've been put up by good friends

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and they've helped me through a lot.

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Finally, a few months after the tribunal hearings,

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Qamar received a part payment from Fitness4Less.

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He was promised the rest would follow, but it didn't,

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so he went back to the employment tribunal.

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I'm very stubborn. There was no way I was going to give up on that, no way.

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No way.

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Fitness4Less didn't attend the latest tribunal hearing,

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and a judgment was issued in Qamar's favour.

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But, despite this, Qamar still hasn't been paid.

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So now it's up to Lawrence and Kev

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to get Qamar the money and the closure he so desperately wants.

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Back in Watford, Lawrence and Kev

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have finally found a place to park up.

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So we can't stop here, though.

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With a deep-seated fear of traffic wardens,

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Lawrence leaves Kev with the van -

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this is going to be one writ

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he'll have to enforce alone.

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He's stayed with the van

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because it's got clamping signs and tow-away signs and things.

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Hello there. My name's Mr Grix.

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I'm an Enforcement Officer.

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I'm here to execute a High Court writ against Fitness4Less Watford Ltd.

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Basically I'm ordered here by the court today

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to seize goods to the value of £5,399.58

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with a view to selling them at public auction

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to clear this debt.

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Yeah. Qamar Ahmed.

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While the manager gets on the phone to his superiors,

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Lawrence gets to work making notes on equipment.

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If need be, he could seize and remove machinery

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to pay off the debt.

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Right, I'm ordered here, as I say, to seize goods to clear the debt -

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it can be prevented by full payment.

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So your manager,

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your director, whoever...

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The manager runs off to call his boss again

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while Lawrence tries to work out which exercise machine is which.

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Handily, it's all labelled up with what it is!

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The manager is back,

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and this time he's got a message for Lawrence.

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His boss says the Sheriffs can't take a thing.

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No.

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No.

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Unfortunately, it's a line Lawrence has heard many times before.

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I'll draw your attention to that bit.

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"You are now commanded to seize in execution

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"the goods chattels and other property of the defendant."

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It doesn't order us to give notice,

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it orders us to seize the goods to be sold at auction.

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The manager gets back on the phone,

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but he's soon back to update Lawrence.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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If he normally starts at ten and he's sorting out his private life

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then that's entirely down to him.

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Yeah, I think we're going to get paid in full.

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It's looking promising,

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but Lawrence knows better

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than to count his pennies until they're firmly in his hand.

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Having agreed to wait, it seems he might not even need to -

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the gym manager is back with good news.

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Oh, right.

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He's doing the transfer, is he?

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All Lawrence needs to do

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is wait to see that the funds have come through

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and it's job done.

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Can you just keep your eye on the bank account for me?

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Half an hour later,

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Lawrence is still waiting for payment.

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We, meanwhile, are asked to stop filming.

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I'm starting to lose patience, to be honest.

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Nearly an hour after he was explicitly told

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that the money had been transferred,

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Lawrence gets a call from the account manager

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who is only now making the payment

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and wants the account details - again.

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I'm now charging the waiting time, OK?

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So there's another £217.80

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to add to that bill.

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That's what mucking about is.

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Being told that a payment's being made

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two hours before it is.

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With Lawrence beginning to flex his muscles,

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Fitness4Less are beginning to feel the burn.

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They decide to cut their losses and pay up.

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This time, the money does go through.

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Payment at last.

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But despite his success,

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Lawrence is still feeling the frustration of his visit.

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I could have been gone from there probably two hours before I was,

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so in the end I did charge them an hour's waiting time.

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Let's get out of here.

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And, most importantly,

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they can report back

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that Qamar will finally receive the money that's due to him.

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I'm very happy, and I'd like to say thank you to them.

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I think I made the right choice, for sure.

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With that money, I'm going to set up my own personal training business

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and I'm going to make a difference in my life

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and I'm going to make a difference in the lives of my clients as well.

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Fitness4Less told us

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that when they took over the Sports Academy gym

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they did not know about unpaid staff wages

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and that legal advice they were given at the time

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indicated they should not be responsible.

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They believe they made all reasonable effort

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to get Qamar his money,

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including writing him a cheque for him to collect from them.

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They said, however,

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that despite numerous efforts to get in touch with Qamar

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they were unable to reach him

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and that he left them no forwarding contact details.

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Qamar's unpaid wage bill

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is just one of 70,000 High Court writs

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enforced by Sheriffs in England and Wales every year.

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We're Enforcement Officers.

0:18:520:18:55

We've got a High Court writ to attend here today.

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We're higher than a bailiff.

0:18:570:18:58

Sheriffs have more power than County Court bailiffs,

0:18:590:19:02

and obstructing them in their work is a criminal offence.

0:19:020:19:05

You've now trapped us in here,

0:19:050:19:06

we're going to need to call the police.

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A High Court writ costs £60.

0:19:090:19:11

If the Sheriffs are successful, that's it.

0:19:110:19:14

If they're unsuccessful, the only cost is a £60 admin fee.

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We've removed one vehicle, we've seized all the other vehicles.

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It was £6,900 there.

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Paid it straightaway, so it's all good.

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Enforcement officers Craig Wilde and Tom Coyle

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are on their way to help a business customer

0:19:390:19:42

recover a substantial unpaid debt.

0:19:420:19:44

We're off to Wolverhampton today.

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The defendant in this case that we're going to see

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is Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd.

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It's £10,750.19.

0:19:520:19:56

Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd had some machinery installed,

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but still haven't paid the supplier.

0:20:020:20:04

This is Tom's second visit

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he was here a couple of weeks ago,

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when Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd

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promised they would pay the debt.

0:20:100:20:12

He ended up doing a part payment of £2,500 on the day.

0:20:120:20:17

But this is one of the Sheriffs' more complex cases.

0:20:170:20:21

There are two companies trading here.

0:20:210:20:23

Tom found it confusing last time,

0:20:230:20:26

and it's about to get even more so.

0:20:260:20:28

Tom runs for the open door to gain access to the building.

0:20:330:20:36

Hello?

0:20:370:20:38

Now he's in, he can't be thrown out.

0:20:380:20:41

Mr Patel about?

0:20:410:20:42

Tom met company boss Mr Patel when he was here before.

0:20:440:20:48

Do you want to talk in there? Yeah, no problem.

0:20:480:20:50

What's the situation?

0:20:500:20:52

Yeah, yeah, no problem.

0:20:550:20:57

While Tom waits for word from the accountant,

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Craig is looking for seizable property.

0:21:010:21:04

The big warehouses are locked

0:21:040:21:06

and in the open one, there's not much of value.

0:21:060:21:09

There's just a bit of tissue paper here that is worth some money,

0:21:100:21:13

clearly not £10,000.

0:21:130:21:16

I'll go and help Tom now.

0:21:160:21:18

With word back from the accountant, there's a problem -

0:21:190:21:22

Mr Patel now says the company trading here is AP Paper & Tissue,

0:21:220:21:27

which is what the signs on the building say.

0:21:270:21:29

He claims that the company on Tom's writ,

0:21:290:21:32

Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd,

0:21:320:21:34

is in administration.

0:21:340:21:35

If Alliance Paper & Tissue IS in administration,

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or all of the assets are owned by another company,

0:21:490:21:52

it's bad news for Craig and Tom.

0:21:520:21:54

Craig checks with Companies House, the official register of companies.

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There is a company called Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd,

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and it is trading.

0:22:020:22:04

The company that's going into administration

0:22:040:22:06

is nothing to do with their company.

0:22:060:22:08

Our company is still operating and trading

0:22:080:22:10

and you've liquidated the old company.

0:22:100:22:12

It now appears that the original company named on the writ

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had its name changed

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and was then put into administration.

0:22:170:22:19

Another company with the same director, Ghanshyam Patel,

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was later renamed Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd.

0:22:230:22:26

So when Craig searched on the company name,

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it appeared to be trading.

0:22:290:22:31

Mr Patel gets his accountant on the line again

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to try to explain.

0:22:350:22:37

I've got the Sheriff here,

0:22:370:22:39

do you want to speak to him?

0:22:390:22:40

It's a High Court writ of fi fa

0:22:400:22:43

for Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd.

0:22:430:22:46

The accountant again says Alliance Paper & Tissue

0:22:460:22:49

is in administration.

0:22:490:22:51

Craig's research shows it's alive and well.

0:22:510:22:54

As a company called Alliance Paper Paper & Tissue

0:22:540:22:57

is still in business,

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the Sheriffs will continue to list goods for seizure

0:22:580:23:02

and, if necessary, Mr Patel can contest the seizure in court.

0:23:020:23:05

Well, we're going to carry on, unfortunately.

0:23:110:23:13

As Craig digs up more evidence,

0:23:150:23:17

tempers fray in the tissue factory.

0:23:170:23:19

If you start stopping me doing my job,

0:23:200:23:22

that is an criminal offence

0:23:220:23:24

and I'll have you arrested for that.

0:23:240:23:25

-What?

-No need to get violent, is there?

0:23:250:23:27

We'll come back to Wolverhampton later

0:23:270:23:29

to see if the Sheriffs can get the debt paid.

0:23:290:23:31

This morning, Sheriffs Marc Newton and Tony Smith

0:23:420:23:46

are heading down the M4 into Wales.

0:23:460:23:48

We're going to the National Engine Centre in...

0:23:490:23:53

Cardiff.

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Total amount outstanding is £4,164.83.

0:23:550:23:59

The Sheriffs are on their way

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to help David Conway and his wife Dorothy

0:24:030:24:05

from Billingham, in Teesside.

0:24:050:24:07

He's been retired for the past 20 years

0:24:070:24:10

and now loves to spend his spare time flying.

0:24:100:24:12

This is me hangar,

0:24:140:24:16

these are pride and joys.

0:24:160:24:18

Noddy's my best.

0:24:180:24:20

Yeah. The planes are part of my life.

0:24:200:24:23

They're very important to me.

0:24:230:24:25

If I didn't have the planes,

0:24:250:24:27

I would be just sat watching television all day.

0:24:270:24:30

I've crashed dozens and dozens.

0:24:300:24:33

This is my latest.

0:24:330:24:35

I'm known as Crasher Conway

0:24:350:24:37

because I've had so many crashes.

0:24:370:24:39

As his enthusiasm for his hobby has grown,

0:24:390:24:41

so has the size of his planes.

0:24:410:24:44

If David wanted to keep his hobby on the straight and level

0:24:440:24:47

he needed to buy a car to transport the planes in.

0:24:470:24:50

He decided the perfect vehicle was a Renault Grand Espace.

0:24:500:24:54

At the National Engine Centre in Cardiff,

0:24:550:24:57

David thought he had found the car he so desperately needed.

0:24:570:25:01

I'd seen the car online.

0:25:010:25:04

The car was in good condition,

0:25:040:25:06

one previous owner, and I really wanted this car,

0:25:060:25:09

I didn't want any other car.

0:25:090:25:10

So I got on the train and went and got it.

0:25:100:25:13

It was an exhausting 600-mile round trip from Billingham to Cardiff,

0:25:130:25:17

but David really wanted the car.

0:25:170:25:19

When he arrived at National Engine Centre,

0:25:190:25:22

David wanted to try the Espace.

0:25:220:25:24

He was allowed to take it for a brief test drive.

0:25:240:25:27

I thought it was a nice car,

0:25:270:25:29

so I went ahead and bought it.

0:25:290:25:32

The Renault Espace cost David £2,500,

0:25:320:25:36

all the savings he and his wife had.

0:25:360:25:38

But it was only four miles down the road

0:25:380:25:41

when disaster struck.

0:25:410:25:43

The car started losing power

0:25:430:25:45

and eventually it stopped.

0:25:450:25:47

Stranded with a barely working car

0:25:470:25:50

somewhere in Cardiff,

0:25:500:25:52

David didn't know where to turn.

0:25:520:25:55

Fortunately, he was able to get the car back to the garage

0:25:550:25:58

and he asked for a refund.

0:25:580:26:00

But the garage said if he wanted one,

0:26:000:26:03

he'd have to leave the car in Cardiff

0:26:030:26:05

and wait till Monday when appropriate staff could process it.

0:26:050:26:09

I couldn't leave the car there and leave me money there.

0:26:100:26:14

So I had to bring the car back.

0:26:140:26:16

With no refund,

0:26:160:26:18

David realised he would have to nurse the car 300 miles back home.

0:26:180:26:23

It took me over seven hours to drive back home

0:26:230:26:26

and it really was horrendous.

0:26:260:26:28

Desperate to find out what was wrong,

0:26:290:26:31

David took the car to a local garage.

0:26:310:26:34

They diagnosed the problem as a dodgy engine control unit

0:26:340:26:37

and a faulty valve in the exhaust system.

0:26:370:26:40

They couldn't give me an exact price,

0:26:400:26:42

but they said it could go into thousands.

0:26:420:26:45

David immediately contacted the National Engine Centre

0:26:450:26:49

hoping for a quick resolution, but none could be agreed.

0:26:490:26:54

It left him with the undrivable Espace grounded outside his home,

0:26:540:26:58

constantly reminding him of the ordeal.

0:26:580:27:01

It's put so much pressure and stress on my wife and I.

0:27:010:27:06

David was left with no option

0:27:080:27:09

but to take National Engine Centre to court. They failed to show up,

0:27:090:27:13

and a judgment was issued in David's favour.

0:27:130:27:16

The garage applied to have the case set aside

0:27:160:27:19

but once again were absent, and again David won the case.

0:27:190:27:23

Despite victory, David still hasn't received a penny.

0:27:230:27:26

I feel so annoyed that he's, he's got away with it.

0:27:280:27:31

With nobody left to help, it's now down to the Sheriffs to

0:27:330:27:37

answer David's distress signal.

0:27:370:27:39

Tony and Marc have found National Engine Centre.

0:27:490:27:53

There it is, there.

0:27:530:27:55

Quite big, isn't it?

0:27:550:27:56

They head in to try and get David the money he's owed.

0:27:580:28:01

-Hiya, mate.

-Morning.

-It's about the High Court writ that's been

0:28:020:28:05

issued by a David Knox Conway.

0:28:050:28:07

The claimant sent us out to collect the money.

0:28:070:28:09

-Can I speak to my boss?

-Yeah, no worries. We'll wait here.

0:28:090:28:13

While the man heads off to get his boss,

0:28:130:28:15

Marc is already getting a bad feeling about this job.

0:28:150:28:18

I said, "Is that the National Engine Centre?" He said, "Yeah," and then he said he don't work here.

0:28:180:28:23

-You are after me?

-National Engine Centre.

-National Engine Centre.

0:28:230:28:26

Can I have a look?

0:28:260:28:27

-It's not us, mate, see you later.

-Who's that? Who is it then?

0:28:270:28:31

That's not us.

0:28:310:28:33

Well, it says National Engine Centre up there.

0:28:330:28:35

-Yeah. What does it say on the end?

-It says "Ltd".

-Yeah.

0:28:350:28:39

The man claims that the name on the writ, National Engine Centre, isn't here.

0:28:390:28:44

The company trading at these premises is Nat Engine Centre Ltd.

0:28:440:28:48

Cheery-bye.

0:28:480:28:49

After a less than warm welcome, our camera is asked to leave.

0:28:490:28:54

The conversation carries on in the office,

0:28:540:28:56

where the man, Mr Peter Anderson, denies being the company director

0:28:560:29:00

of National Engine Centre, or Nat Engine Centre Ltd.

0:29:000:29:03

But he refuses to find any proof.

0:29:030:29:06

The more info you can show us, the better it is.

0:29:060:29:08

You got your Companies House certificate?

0:29:080:29:10

Why would you not do that if it's nothing to do with you?

0:29:100:29:12

You're moaning we're here and then you're not willing to help out.

0:29:120:29:15

It doesn't take long for Marc to find evidence contradicting the man's story.

0:29:150:29:20

You just had a delivery for the National Engine Centre.

0:29:200:29:22

That box there. The one that says "National Engine Centre" on top.

0:29:220:29:25

If you don't show us proof, we're going to start seizing goods.

0:29:250:29:28

Then things start to rev up at the Engine Centre.

0:29:290:29:32

Get up, get everyone out the garage.

0:29:320:29:35

I want these guys to leave, they won't go.

0:29:350:29:37

Yeah, yeah, they're going to be in breach of the peace now.

0:29:370:29:40

But it seems his staff aren't quite as keen to go toe to toe

0:29:400:29:44

with the Sheriffs as he thought.

0:29:440:29:45

So he calls the police instead.

0:29:450:29:47

He's actually being quite awkward at the moment.

0:29:470:29:50

Unfortunately, he's not cooperating at all.

0:29:500:29:53

He's called the police and said there's been a breach of the peace, which there hasn't, really,

0:29:530:29:57

but we're just waiting for them to arrive now.

0:29:570:30:00

20 minutes later, the police arrive.

0:30:010:30:04

With Mr Anderson talking to the police, Marc and Tony take stock.

0:30:040:30:09

The police are telling him he needs to pay or else we're going to start

0:30:090:30:14

removing the goods, so that's where we are, we're just waiting to see

0:30:140:30:17

what happens, whether we can budge him into getting to pay some money.

0:30:170:30:21

It looks like the only way the Sheriffs will get

0:30:210:30:24

David his money is by seizing goods.

0:30:240:30:27

Marc's been looking at what's available, and phones

0:30:270:30:29

the office to tell them about the substantial stock of engines.

0:30:290:30:33

This is loads of engines, I mean, loads.

0:30:330:30:35

When I say loads, I mean loads.

0:30:350:30:37

There's loads of them out there. There's hundreds of them.

0:30:370:30:40

How did National Engine Centre Ltd gain all them engines?

0:30:420:30:45

They didn't just turn up one day with all them engines, did they, and put them in there?

0:30:450:30:49

They came from somewhere.

0:30:490:30:51

With the argument stalling, Marc offers the man an ultimatum -

0:30:510:30:54

provide receipts for each and every engine, pay the debt,

0:30:540:30:58

or say goodbye to the whole lot.

0:30:580:31:01

Every single thing that's in that workshop,

0:31:010:31:03

I need a receipt for, in the name of Nat Engine Centre Ltd.

0:31:030:31:07

Right, the situation is, my colleague is now on the phone.

0:31:070:31:10

Tony's ordering up a truck. It's going to be a big one.

0:31:100:31:14

Seven-and-a-half tonne will probably be enough,

0:31:140:31:17

but then you're going to need a forklift,

0:31:170:31:18

because he ain't going to let you use his forklift, tell you that now.

0:31:180:31:21

He's the most difficult person I've met.

0:31:210:31:23

If you pay now, it will be that price,

0:31:230:31:25

but I'm telling you, it will go up, and it will go up by thousands.

0:31:250:31:28

But with the tow truck on its way and his engines about to

0:31:280:31:31

leave the premises, Mr Anderson has a sudden change of heart.

0:31:310:31:36

-Marc...

-What, money?

-Yeah.

0:31:360:31:40

Though Mr Anderson isn't admitting who owns the engines,

0:31:400:31:43

he IS offering to pay. But he's not offering enough.

0:31:430:31:46

-All right, what about half of it then?

-Meet us halfway.

-Two grand.

0:31:460:31:49

-Come on, come on.

-You Welsh boys have all got loads of money.

0:31:490:31:52

Finally, the Sheriffs win the battle of wills

0:31:540:31:56

and head back to the office for payment.

0:31:560:31:59

Take that, that's just to say he's paid us £1,250 in cash there.

0:31:590:32:04

Cheers, thank you. Bye-bye.

0:32:040:32:06

Let's go, get out of Wales.

0:32:080:32:10

Mr Anderson has paid £1,250 today,

0:32:120:32:15

and promises to put a payment plan in place to cover the rest.

0:32:150:32:19

Not as great as we wanted, but we've got £1,250 in cash off him here,

0:32:190:32:24

so it's a start.

0:32:240:32:26

But despite Tony and Marc's efforts, Mr Anderson failed to submit

0:32:260:32:30

a payment proposal for the outstanding amount.

0:32:300:32:33

Three weeks later, the Sheriffs returned

0:32:330:32:36

and collected the balance of £3,744.

0:32:360:32:41

David Conway is on cloud nine.

0:32:430:32:45

The money has enabled him to settle his debt

0:32:470:32:50

and buy the car of his dreams - another Renault Grand Espace.

0:32:500:32:54

The Sheriffs have come along and really done the business.

0:32:540:32:58

Yeah, over the moon.

0:32:580:32:59

The National Engine Centre told us

0:33:010:33:03

they had offered David a refund the day he visited

0:33:030:33:06

and it was his decision to instead have them repair the car

0:33:060:33:09

and drive it home.

0:33:090:33:11

They said they'd later sent him a replacement part

0:33:110:33:14

and offered to pay for a local garage to fix the problems.

0:33:140:33:18

They'd also again offered him a refund if he returned the car.

0:33:180:33:23

They said it was Mr Conway's decision to turn down these options

0:33:230:33:26

and instead pursue court action.

0:33:260:33:29

They said they had tried to contest the case

0:33:290:33:32

but that the court had lost papers.

0:33:320:33:34

They said, following the Sheriffs' enforcement,

0:33:340:33:37

they'd again offered to pay the balance

0:33:370:33:39

if the car was returned to them -

0:33:390:33:41

an offer they say Mr Conway chose to reject.

0:33:410:33:44

At the paper company in Wolverhampton,

0:33:530:33:55

the management claims the company on Tom's writ is in administration,

0:33:550:33:59

and doesn't have to pay.

0:33:590:34:01

But while searching for goods to seize, Craig has found invoices

0:34:010:34:05

that seem to prove Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd

0:34:050:34:08

HAS been trading here.

0:34:080:34:10

That date, still taking orders as of this date.

0:34:100:34:14

-The day after... You are.

-This is all scrap. It's off to bin.

0:34:150:34:18

It's not scrap, sir, that's the 30th August,

0:34:180:34:20

the day after you're saying this company goes into administration.

0:34:200:34:23

-Listen to me...

-This company has never gone into administration, sir.

0:34:230:34:26

-Listen to me.

-He will call you back now, won't he?

0:34:260:34:29

-Leave my personal things.

-Now we're digging, aren't we?

0:34:290:34:31

-What?

-No need to get violent, is there?

0:34:310:34:33

-Now I've found you out...

-Don't you

-BLEEP

-touch my bloody stuff again.

0:34:330:34:36

Now I've found you out, we're going to carry on.

0:34:360:34:40

-Do you understand?

-I do understand.

-That's right.

-What do you understand?

0:34:400:34:43

-I understand fully the situation, sir.

-Yeah.

0:34:430:34:47

-Old paperwork is it?

-Yeah, yeah. There you are.

0:34:470:34:49

Rip it up, that's fine. I'll find some more here, to be fair.

0:34:490:34:53

Oh, we'll carry on. Not a problem at all.

0:34:530:34:56

Mr Patel, that was the issue which I was explaining to you.

0:34:560:34:59

-There's paperwork everywhere.

-Listen to me...

-I've listened to you.

0:34:590:35:04

Why... Make a big deal about it? It's a High Court order.

0:35:040:35:07

It's not a case of making a big deal about it, sir.

0:35:070:35:09

-Here we go again, look.

-Leave that stuff. Don't touch so many... Listen.

0:35:090:35:12

-It's called diligent search, sir.

-Oh, "diligent search"?

0:35:120:35:15

This is none of your bloody paperwork. Don't touch it.

0:35:150:35:18

If you start stopping me doing my job, that is a criminal offence

0:35:180:35:22

-and I will have you arrested for that.

-Right.

0:35:220:35:24

You tell him, tell him, whose is this? AP, isn't it?

0:35:240:35:28

While Mr Patel argues with the Sheriffs,

0:35:280:35:31

their HQ has been in touch.

0:35:310:35:33

The administrator has sent through documents

0:35:330:35:35

about the company name change and administration.

0:35:350:35:38

But as Craig has found paperwork that seems to show

0:35:380:35:41

Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd still taking orders,

0:35:410:35:44

HQ says the evidence isn't completely convincing.

0:35:440:35:48

The office have told us to crack on.

0:35:480:35:50

It would appear that they changed their name the day that Tom was here

0:35:500:35:53

so in absence of the proof of the goods belonging to the third party,

0:35:530:35:57

our instructions are from the office to carry on

0:35:570:36:00

and start unplugging everything, just to push it that extra further.

0:36:000:36:03

Do you need the computers? Do you need to back them up or anything?

0:36:030:36:06

I've said to the girls.

0:36:060:36:08

You need to do that very quickly,

0:36:100:36:11

because we need to start unplugging them.

0:36:110:36:14

As Tom prepares to take possession of the company's computers,

0:36:140:36:17

Craig has used his detective skills

0:36:170:36:20

to get into one of the big locked warehouses.

0:36:200:36:23

If you look on the keypad you can see which buttons are pretty worn.

0:36:230:36:26

I let myself in and as soon as I got in, yeah, they were a bit upset.

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While arguments continue about who owns it,

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Craig seizes the stock and machinery in the warehouse.

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The problem we've got with these, you know,

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I'm not a paper tissue guy.

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I use plenty of it to be fair, but...

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Over in the office, Tom is seizing the office equipment.

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Interesting day at work, isn't it?

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To keep up the pressure,

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Craig organises the trucks with the office.

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Marc, I've got quite a large-scale removal on,

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if you're available for it.

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With the greatest respect,

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the only way forward is payment at the moment.

0:37:150:37:17

I don't want to stop your business from trading,

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but that's where we're at.

0:37:190:37:21

You're talking at least 50%.

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At least 50%, which is at least £5,000.

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They won't entertain anything less than that.

0:37:300:37:33

Having taken stock of the Sheriffs' position,

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Mr Patel has agreed to find some money, and make a payment.

0:37:350:37:39

Craig discusses terms with the accountant.

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5,000 today and he needs to put his proposal in.

0:37:430:37:46

OK.

0:37:460:37:47

Can I just borrow that calculator?

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-THEY CHUCKLE

-How much, about five grand?

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One of the employees heads down to the local bank,

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and makes a cash transfer for £5,000.

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-Thank you very much, Mr Patel.

-All right, no hard feelings.

-Take care.

0:38:020:38:05

No problem. Bye-bye now.

0:38:050:38:07

They've dismantled everything here, now we've got to put it all back.

0:38:070:38:10

We've paid some money out, £5,000,

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which we're going to claim back now and in the meantime,

0:38:130:38:17

they've earned their fee, really.

0:38:170:38:19

We'll resolve these issues behind the scenes

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and I'm sure we'll get it back. And...yeah, we'll just move on.

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The naming of the companies was confusing.

0:38:290:38:32

The original Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd went into administration.

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Shortly after, another company was given the same name,

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Alliance Paper & Tissue Ltd at the same registered address.

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Exactly which company owns the assets

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and whether it was in administration the day of the Sheriffs' visit

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is due to be dealt with in court at a future hearing.

0:38:500:38:53

Mr Patel told us he thought the Sheriffs had interfered

0:38:550:38:58

with his business unnecessarily, but even he seems to agree

0:38:580:39:02

they did their job well.

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At the end of the day, they always win, that's what I say.

0:39:040:39:08

They're in the business to win, all the time.

0:39:080:39:11

And they've done their job today.

0:39:110:39:13

The gentleman got a bit irate at one point

0:39:130:39:15

when it was going to removal stage.

0:39:150:39:17

But I think it's a good resolution, all round, to be fair.

0:39:170:39:20

Apart from leaving with the gentleman's calculator,

0:39:200:39:23

which I did by accident! So we'll have to try and get that back

0:39:230:39:26

in the post to him.

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The Sheriffs' work isn't all about collecting debts

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from small businesses.

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We're High Court Enforcement Officers.

0:39:420:39:45

Sometimes they're tasked with taking on

0:39:450:39:47

some of the biggest corporate names in the UK.

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And this afternoon, Lawrence and Kev are on just such a case.

0:39:510:39:55

We're on our way to Luton at the moment, to Thomson Airways.

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It's to do with a delayed flight and the total due

0:40:000:40:04

is £1,727.82.

0:40:040:40:07

This passenger's case - and soon to be thousands more like it -

0:40:120:40:16

have come about due to a recent European Court of Justice ruling.

0:40:160:40:20

If your flight is delayed for more than three hours

0:40:200:40:23

without an adequate reason why, you can demand compensation

0:40:230:40:27

from the airline at fault. It's opening the floodgates

0:40:270:40:31

for passengers to get back what they deserve.

0:40:310:40:34

-That's their logo, isn't it? Is it that top one?

-I believe so, yeah.

0:40:340:40:39

Thomson is part of the TUI Travel Group,

0:40:390:40:41

which in 2012 made £490 million in operating profit.

0:40:410:40:46

Will they be able to rustle up the £1,700 they need

0:40:460:40:49

to pay off this debt?

0:40:490:40:51

Hello there, I'm looking for somebody from Thomson's Airways

0:40:510:40:54

who can deal with a High Court writ.

0:40:540:40:56

Reception goes off to find someone more senior to deal with the issue.

0:40:560:41:00

How will Thomson's big brass react to having two Enforcement Officers

0:41:000:41:04

on site, with a High Court writ in hand?

0:41:040:41:07

Hello there. Oh, you're from legal, are you? I'll show you some ID.

0:41:070:41:11

Right, pop in.

0:41:110:41:13

At this point, our cameraman is asked to leave the building.

0:41:140:41:18

The firm's legal team get looking into the case.

0:41:180:41:20

While they do that, Kev gets on with listing goods he can seize

0:41:200:41:25

and remove if necessary to pay off the debt.

0:41:250:41:27

'I'm making an inventory of your goods because

0:41:270:41:30

'we're here to seize goods, so I'm seizing them at the moment.

0:41:300:41:32

'I'll write a list of inventory of all the goods.

0:41:320:41:35

'Yeah, I'm not going to sit down for a minute, thanks.'

0:41:350:41:39

'It's basically flight delays,

0:41:390:41:42

'because a CCJ was issued which still hasn't been paid

0:41:420:41:46

'so he's used his rights to transfer it up to the High Court for enforcement purposes.'

0:41:460:41:51

Kev comes out to fill us in on what's going on inside.

0:41:530:41:56

There's obviously lots and lots of office space in there.

0:41:560:41:59

Hundreds of computers, desks, sofas, tables and such forth.

0:41:590:42:02

Televisions all round the place. We'll take the full inventory

0:42:020:42:05

of the place and they're just sorting out payment at the moment.

0:42:050:42:09

Faced with Lawrence and Kev and a High Court writ,

0:42:100:42:13

Thomson agree to pay, there and then, in full.

0:42:130:42:16

Lawrence and Kev emerge with the money in the bank

0:42:170:42:20

and a smile on their faces.

0:42:200:42:22

It was a good outcome in the end.

0:42:220:42:23

We got paid in full on a credit card...as we expected to, really.

0:42:230:42:27

It wasn't a vast amount of money, £1,700.

0:42:270:42:31

A company like Thomson's can easily afford that.

0:42:310:42:35

It's good news for the Sheriffs, but much more importantly,

0:42:350:42:38

for the passenger who brought the claim and who'll finally get

0:42:380:42:41

the money they're owed paid in full and in good time.

0:42:410:42:45

Thomson Airways told us

0:42:460:42:47

they would like to apologise to the customer for the delay in paying

0:42:470:42:51

the compensation awarded.

0:42:510:42:53

They said they operate a fair and thorough process to deal with

0:42:530:42:56

EU delay claims in line with the regulation.

0:42:560:42:59

They said on this occasion, an administration error

0:42:590:43:02

meant that the payment was not processed,

0:43:020:43:04

but that it had now been made.

0:43:040:43:06

They said they'd like to reassure customers that they are committed

0:43:060:43:09

to maintaining on-time performance across their flying programme.

0:43:090:43:13

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