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If you're owed money but aren't getting paid, it's time to call the sheriffs. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I'm Mr Grix. My colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
I'm here to issue a High Court writ. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:09 | |
I've got to do what I'm instructed to by the courts. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
They're enforcement agents of the High Court, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
and if a court's ruled in your favour, they're on your side. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
If the debtor doesn't want to pay... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You currently owe £9,461.80. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
..the law says that the sheriffs can get you what you're owed. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
If you don't come to the door, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
we have to remove the vehicle off the drive. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
You're allowed a week to pay in full before it gets sold at auction. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Whether it's a small company... | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
Can I speak to the person in charge, please? | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
..or a household name... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
We're here to see someone from G4S. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
..if they owe you money, the sheriffs get it paid. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
I'm not going anywhere. You get him to come here. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
We'll not be waiting around like that. It needs to be done now. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Just collected 42 grand. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
Coming up... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
things get tense at a car dealer's in east London. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
-Move. -Oi, oi, oi, oi, oi. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
You think you can come in here and start bullying people. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
I'll get my pals here and we'll see who's going to bully who. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
But can sheriff Ken Warby get them to pay the five grand they owe? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
The value of the goods is here. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
Did I not warn you earlier that this would happen? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
In Leeds, Michael Redmond's house | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
was left exposed to the elements after an insulation job | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
was abandoned halfway through. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It leaked, it were draughty, it were an eyesore. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Sheriff Chris Pearson pays a visit but can the company take the heat? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Is the boss in, mate? Can you get him on the phone for me? | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
When the boss of a bag manufacturer refuses to pay, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Lawrence has to take extreme measures. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Is anybody here capable of backing up the computers? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Because I will start unplugging them. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
And dental hygienist Paula Ball didn't get paid | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
while working for G4S... | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
It is a huge company. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Why didn't they just pay? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
..so Lawrence and Kev visit one of Britain's biggest security firms. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
But can they get her money? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
We have a High Court writ so we don't have to take any notice | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
of your security protocol, I'm afraid. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
It's a chilly winter's morning in London | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
and enforcement agent Ken Warby | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
is working his patch in the north of the city. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
His first job today is | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
to pay a visit to a car dealership in Walthamstow. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
We're going to a place called BD Trade Sale Limited and it is an | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
individual that has taken them to court for just over four grand. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
BD Trade Sales Limited were taken to court by Mr Tarsem Kainth. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
He bought a second-hand car, which broke down on the way home, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
and was refused a refund. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
The company didn't defend the case so Mr Kainth won a default judgment | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
but he's never been paid. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Now, including fees, the debt's just over £5,000. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Ken knows that collecting money from car dealerships can be tricky. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:51 | |
Different people owning different vehicles in the yard. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Paperwork has to be got out and proof has to be shown. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
There's usually an argument there somewhere. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
What he doesn't know is that today's argument is going to involve not one | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
but two car dealerships. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Blue Diamond Garages, that could be the one. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
No. BD Trade Sales is different. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
-Thank you, bye. -Hello. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
-Hello. -BD Trade Sales Limited. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I'm here regarding a High Court writ of control | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
against BD Trade Sales from a Mr Tarsem Kainth. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:34 | |
Why have you got the camera? The camera can move away. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
The man asks our camera to leave the forecourt before telling Ken | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
that the case against the company is in dispute. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
It's to be set aside, is it? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Is it? Have you got any paperwork I can see? | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
Thank you. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
The man says the judgment against BD Trade Sales has already | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
been overturned by the courts. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
But when he shows Ken the paperwork, it instead seems to show | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
their application for a set aside hasn't yet been successful. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
But then he comes up with a different reason not to pay - | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
it's not his company. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
This debt is against BD Trade Sales | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
and he is the MD of a company called Blue Diamond. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
Blue Diamond is a different garage just down the road, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
but there's a reason why its boss is manning the BD Trade Sales office. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
They're brothers, and one owes the other one a debt. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
The man says that because his brother owes him money, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
he's given him all the cars on the BD Trade Sales forecourt, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
so now they belong to Blue Diamond Garages Limited. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
That would mean Ken can't remove them. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
But he is not just going to take his word for it. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Unless they can provide money transfer proof that each vehicle | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
on this site was sold from | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
the defendant company to the brother's company, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
then we can remove the vehicles. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
Inside, the man does manage to provide invoices which appear | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
to back up his story but, for Ken, it is still not enough. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Because there are no actual bank transfers | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
and no solicitor's undertaking for one company to satisfy | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
the debt to another company, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
also that's not around, so it all looks a little bit iffy. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
The man in the office has now got hold of his brother on the phone, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
so Ken talks to him to try to clarify the situation. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
You are the MD of BD Trade Sales Limited, are you? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
My instructions are to remove a vehicle or two from here | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
to cover this debt. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:41 | |
The boss doesn't want to pay. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
He too is claiming the cars on the forecourt belong to Blue Diamond, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
but Ken disagrees. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Because we don't have anything in concrete, from a solicitor | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
for example, saying that this is a bona fide debt and it needs to | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
be paid in a certain way, we can remove vehicles. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Yeah, no, I understand that, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
but on the basis of you saying you owe him loads of money and him | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
saying the same, that isn't good enough - | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
we have to have it properly documented. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It's not good enough, mate. It's not good enough. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
Unfortunately you've got a stance there, I've got a stance as well | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and unfortunately we are at an impasse. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
I'll just make the phone call, get a transporter on its way down here, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
and obviously you do what you've got to do, my friend, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
and I've got to do what I'm instructed to by the courts. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
Yeah, you just said that. Thank you very much. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Cheers for speaking to me. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
True to his word, Ken makes a call to book a tow truck to remove cars. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
If I need you in E17, how long? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
That's all right. I might need it, I might not. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
The truck's now on standby and Ken warns the man | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
that if he has to call it then there'll be extra charges. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
It seems to have the desired effect as the man now says he'll try | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
to get some money together on his brother's behalf. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
But not all of it. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
He does have the means to pay, I'm sure he does. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
He's saying, "I can pay part and part at the end of this month," | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
but considering the value of the vehicles here, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
we're only after around five grand, I want payment in one go. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
If it was a football match, it's like a 1-1 draw at the moment. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Going into half-time, it's like 1-1 but I know we'll come out stronger | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
in the second half and get full payment and win the game. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
Later in the programme... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
-Move that camera for me. -..it all kicks off at BD Trade Sales... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Why are you coming in here and start bullying the man? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
What are you doing that for? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
..and we find out whether Ken can get the money owed. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
-Did I not warn you earlier that this would happen? -No. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
The police would turn up, the transporter would turn up, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
it would be like a scene of Beadle's About, and here we are. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
If you've been ripped off | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
and the person or company responsible refuses to pay you back, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
the first step is to make a claim in the County Court. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
It's simple to do this online, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
for a small fee depending on the size of the claim. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
The court will review the evidence and, if it finds in your favour, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
the debtor will be ordered to pay up. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
If they don't, then, for a further £60, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
the High Court will grant a writ | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
authorising the sheriffs to act on your behalf. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
If they're successful, you get all your money back. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Central London, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
and enforcement agents Lawrence Grix and Kev McNally are battling their | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
way through the morning traffic. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
They've got a High Court writ | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
against one of the country's biggest security firms. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
We're actually going to G4S, we're going to their main building. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Obviously famous for providing the security for the Olympics. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
Often, smaller debts can be missed by large corporations, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
but that's not an excuse the sheriffs will accept | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
and G4S owes £1,100 to a contractor. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Dental hygienist that did work for them in a prison in East Yorkshire. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
She did five sessions and hasn't been paid for them. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
Open really wide. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
That dental hygienist is Paula Ball. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
For nine years, she worked regular sessions | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
in the Wolds Prison near Hull, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
where G4S had the contract to provide health care. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
It was work which Paula loved. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
It was very, very rewarding. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Most of the patients hadn't seen a dentist for many years. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
Their teeth were not in the best condition. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
They were very, very pleased at seeing a hygienist. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
It changed my perception of prison life, to be quite honest. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
But when G4S lost the contract, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
the new health-care providers didn't want to hire a hygienist, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
so the work dried up. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
To make matters worse, G4S never paid Paula for her final sessions. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
This became beyond a joke. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Money from March still hadn't been paid by July. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Paula was owed nearly £1,400 | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
and, despite repeatedly chasing up the payments, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
the money never arrived. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I sent e-mails, I spoke to people on the phone. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Difficult to speak to people on the phone | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
cos you get a different person each time. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Whether I just got lost in the system I don't know. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Paula had assumed that if she persisted, then, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
sooner or later, G4S would pay up | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
but, as the months went by, her patience ran out. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
She began to realise the only way she was going to get paid was if she | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
took some kind of legal action. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I think I just got the bit between my teeth | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
that this really was unfair. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
I still have bills to pay, like everybody else. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
It was quite scary taking on a company as big as them. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
So I was talking to a friend one evening and she said, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
"Oh, you should try Money Claims Online." | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Money Claims Online is a government website that allows consumers | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
to lodge their case with the County Court. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Paula filed her claim against G4S | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
and, while the company initially said they'd defend it, they didn't. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
Paula was awarded a judgment in her favour, ordering | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
the company to settle the debt. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
I then thought that they would pay up... | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
..but they didn't. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
I really couldn't believe it. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
I thought, "What on earth are they playing at?" | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
This is a huge company! | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
It's just unbelievable. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Just when Paula had given up hope, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
she received an e-mail out of the blue from G4S | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
to say they'd made a payment of £825. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
They never explained why it was less than what she was owed | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
and Paula didn't appear to have received it. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
They said they'd paid it, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
and there was no record of it going into my account. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
And then they discovered they'd tried to pay it into the wrong | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
account, an account that doesn't exist. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Eventually, they did pay £825 into my bank account. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
Whether it was to shut me up or to stop the process I don't know. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
Paula's still been left hundreds of pounds out of pocket | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
and, having had to fight to get this far, she's not about to give up. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
I have worked for that money and I've earned it | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
so I will go after the remaining balance. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
And, left with no other alternative, that means turning to the sheriffs. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
I can think of no other way of retrieving the money. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
I'm a bit at a loss and this is the last hope. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
It's now up to them to see what they can do. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
In the capital, Lawrence and Kev are on their way to see G4S. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
They're confident of getting paid... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
though they are expecting that the sheer size of the company | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
might complicate matters. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
Just getting them to recognise the claimant and find the claimant in | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
their system is normally half the battle with big companies like this. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Another challenge is parking in Central London. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
This time Lawrence thinks he's got lucky, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
but he might be getting ideas above his station. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Diplomatic cars only? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
That's handy. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
The G4S office is in a shared block and the first challenge for Lawrence | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
and Kev will be getting past reception. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Morning. My name is Mr Grix. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
My colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
We're here to see somebody from G4S. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
Grix. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
We're not meeting with anybody, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
we're here to execute a High Court writ against G4S. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
-Are they on floor five, yeah? -We'll just go up. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
But the reception staff have other ideas. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
No, we just go up. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
We have a High Court writ so we don't have to take any notice of | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
your security protocol, I'm afraid. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
If you want to phone them | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
and your phone call gets through before we do, that's fair enough. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
Lawrence and Kev have got past the security firm's security with ease. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
Upstairs, and it's reception number two. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Morning. My name is Mr Grix. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
My colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
We've got a High Court writ to execute against G4S, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
so I'd imagine we need to speak to someone either in your accounts | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
or your legal department, please. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
The sheriffs are asked to wait while staff make inquiries. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
This is about the biggest security company in the country, isn't it? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-Yeah, turnover of nearly seven billion. -That's a few quid. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
So, they should be able to cover the £1,100 they owe today, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
provided they can find the right person to deal with that. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Hello. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
No. We've just got G4S. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
We haven't got a division specifically. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
As Lawrence predicted, no-one seems quite sure who the right person is | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
to deal with the sheriffs' unannounced arrival, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
let alone finding details of the claimant. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
But, within a few minutes, someone more senior arrives. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Oh, hello. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
Our cameraman's told to leave the building | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
while Lawrence and Kev stay inside, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
trying to persuade G4S to pay Paula's missing wages. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
An hour and a half later, they emerge. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
I don't think they actually managed to find out what it was about. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
They're such a big organisation with so many different branches | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
and so many subcontractors, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
they didn't actually bother to try and find our claimant on the system. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
Basically, they just went away and arranged the transfer | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
and they're going to look into where it went wrong later on and | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
kick the appropriate person up the posterior, probably. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
Bit boring sitting there for sort of the best part of two hours waiting | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
for somebody to manage to do a bank transfer, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
but a success is a success. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
The sheriffs have been paid in full | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
and, back in Yorkshire, Paula Ball is delighted. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
I would like to thank the sheriffs. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
They've done a very good job. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
Very relieved that it's all over now | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
and that the money's actually in my bank account. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
And I would like to say to people, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
don't be intimidated by doing something like this | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
and taking on a large company. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
It can work out and you can get your money back. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
G4S told us that they... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
..for her services. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
The company has been making... | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
However, they say the... | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
Sheriff Ken Warby is at a car dealer's in Walthamstow | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
where he's chasing a debt of £5,000. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
BD Trade Sales Ltd sold a car to Tarsem Kainth | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
and, when it broke down, didn't give him a refund. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Ken is dealing with the director's brother, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
who says he's trying to raise the money. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
But after a lot of waiting around, Ken has run out of patience. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
I've just been kept waiting and fed a load of rubbish at the moment. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
Saying, "Give me five minutes, give me five minutes, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
"I need to make a few phone calls." | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
Nothing's happened. Going to phone the office now, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
organise a transporter to come down, remove one or two of these vehicles. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
As Ken gets ready to make the call, the director's brother | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
makes a last-ditch attempt to put on the brakes. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Sorry, mate. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
Mate... | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
But Ken's heard enough of this argument already. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Hello, Wayne? It's Ken Warby. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Look, I need a transporter down in Walthamstow. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
If you could get down here as soon as possible. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
About 40 minutes. Nice one, mate. Appreciate it. Cheers. Bye. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
All the stalling has cost the debtor dearly. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
The fees sheriffs charge are set by the Government | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
and, now that the transporter is on its way, the final bill has shot up. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
£5,075 to a... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
a whopping £6,700... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
..and counting. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
But no sooner than the call is made, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
the boss's brother says a friend is on his way with the cash. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
It is the larger amount now, unfortunately. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
I've called the transport, mate. It's on its way. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Just left the yard. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
Mate, it's not. It's been, like, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
an hour and a half since that first five minutes. Do you remember? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
I did warn you. I had a coffee, we chatted, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
still nothing happened. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
The five minutes became an hour and a half. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Enough's enough. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
Yeah... That's not enough now. It needs to be the full amount. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
It makes no difference. As soon as I tell the office, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
"They're not paying and I need a transporter," these fees go on. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
No. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
The man said a friend was coming and, sure enough, one soon turns up, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
only it doesn't look like this guy's in the mood to hand over any cash. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
-Move your camera from here. -I'm on the street. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
-Move your camera from here! Move! -Oi, oi, oi, oi, oi, pal! | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Think you can come in here and start bullying people? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
I'll get my people here right now. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
-BLEEP -come here and try and bully the man? | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
-Huh? -I'm not trying to bully him. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
-You came here to bully the man. -I'm not trying to bully anybody. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
-Get my -BLEEP -pals here. Move that camera from here. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Move that camera from here. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
I'm on the public street. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
I'm on the public street! | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Move away from my premises. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
Ken has seen enough. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
Police, please. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Someone has been physically threatening. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
He's just suddenly come into the car yard. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
I would like someone here to prevent a breach of the peace. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
I think they knew I was on the phone to the police and they've sort of | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
disappeared so I'm in the car yard on my own at the moment. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
But not for long, as the men soon return. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Move that camera away from me. Move that camera away from me. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Yeah, that's it. Good boy. Yes, sir(!) | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Why are you coming in here and starting bullying the man? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
What are you doing that for? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
I'll get my pals here and we'll see who's going to bully who. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
If that's the way you want to do it. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:16 | |
Has this gentleman just told you I was bullying him? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Well, that's the approach. You've come along, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
"Oh, we're going to do that, we're going to remove cars..." | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-Come on, mate. -Can I just ask who you are? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
-Khan, Mr Khan. -Mr Khan. -Mr Khan. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
And what involvement...? | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Listen, forget that. Forget that involvement. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Tell him to switch that camera off or he'll be in a lot of trouble. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
-Listen. -Tell him to switch that camera off. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
If you want, I can go talk to him personally. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Mate, switch that off or I'll take that off you. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
-I will take that off you. -Mate, you won't be doing that. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
No, no, no, don't tell me that. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Just as the situation is spiralling out of control, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
the police arrive | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
and Mr Khan makes himself scarce. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
Meanwhile, the director's father has also arrived | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
and he's brought cash. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
OK. OK. I understand what you're saying. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
The father is willing to pay his son's original bill, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
but not the extra fees | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
which were added when the transporter was called. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
But, as far as Ken's concerned, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
this is a situation entirely of their own making. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
I did explain to this person loads of times that | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
if I had to call the transporter, a lot of fees go on there. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
-Yeah. -I was patient over two hours but, in the end, enough's enough, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I've called the transporter, a load of fees have gone on there. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
I can't reverse that. Did I not warn you earlier this would happen? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
-No. -The police would turn up, the transporter would turn up, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
it'd be like a scene out of Beadle's About, and here we are. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-You're happy to settle it? -The full amount? -The full amount? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
The father isn't budging. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
OK. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:49 | |
He is not willing to accept that, that is what he's saying. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
But it will be here soon | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
and you've got sufficient goods in the yard to cover the debt. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
But the son still thinks these cars can't be taken | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
and, now with the police in attendance, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
he's hoping he can convince them of his side of the story. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
You've got a High Court writ for BD Trade Sales? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
-Yes. -But these cars, they belong to me. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
They belong to Blue Diamond Garages. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
That's what I was trying to explain to you and you weren't listening. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
I hear what you're saying and so does this gentleman, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
but what happens is he has been issued with a court writ | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
-for these premises. -For BD Trade Sales. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
OK. I hear what you're saying, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
but these cars are here on this premises, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
you've got a big sign up there. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
If you've got 6,600 and whatever it is then I would suggest you pay it. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
Then you can go to court. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
If it is proved in your favour, you will get reimbursed. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
If you choose not to pay it back today, these guys can take the cars. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:52 | |
With the policewoman delivering the final verdict, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
father and son realise the game is up. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
-What are we at? -6-7-0-8. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Just shy of seven grand... | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
is what we said earlier on we needed to avoid. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
The father reluctantly agrees to pay | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
and hands over the full total in cash. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
At the same time, the transporter arrives and is sent on its way. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
They think it's all over - it is now. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Well, I did tell you earlier on, it was like 1-1 at half-time, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
but, erm... | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
-2-1 to the sheriffs. -Much to the father's disapproval. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
This is a very unfair system here | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
because the case is still in the court but, nevertheless, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
to finish this matter off, I didn't want any aggravation with no-one, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
I paid the sheriffs. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Now we will claim it back. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
The case never went back to court | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
and Tarsem Kainth has got back the money he was rightfully owed. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Sheriff Chris Pearson is chasing a debt owed by a businessman | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
specialising in green home improvements. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
We're in Leeds. Today, we're off to see a Mr James Khan. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
It's a sum of £1,587 owed for, which I believe is insulation, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:20 | |
which was either incorrectly fitted or it wasn't fitted at all. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
Mr Khan runs a company called the Green Deal Warehouse. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
It sold the insulation to pensioner Michael Redmond, who lives in the | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
Cookridge area of Leeds, a place where, to stay warm, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
you need all the help you can get. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
We're one of the highest points in Leeds. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
We get a lot of fog, get a lot of wind. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
It's horrendous up here when winter comes. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
We can have snow up here when you can go a mile down the road | 0:24:45 | 0:24:51 | |
and people are walking around in T-shirts. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
It is so cold in winter. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
And it's not just the elements which the residents have to contend with. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
Much of the post-war housing here | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
is poorly insulated and can't easily be improved. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Houses are solid wall. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
There is no cavity, so you can't put insulation inside. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
Which is where a special type of insulation | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
called thermal cladding comes in. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
It involves adding a whole new shell to the outside of the house. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
It's like wrapping your house in a rather large blanket. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
Hoping to keep his house warm and cut down his bills, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Michael decided to buy thermal cladding from local company | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
the Green Deal Warehouse. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
We had a choice of two firms that we could have gone with and | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
we just decided to go with the first telephone number, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
which happened to be Green Deal. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Now we wish we hadn't. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
The job meant also replacing his doors and windows, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
and the work got off to a good start, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
but the progress would prove to be short-lived. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
We had paid £1,000 deposit. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
They came out within a week to fit the new windows and doors. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
They said, "We're coming back to do the insulation, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
"the scaffolding and everything within the next fortnight," | 0:26:07 | 0:26:13 | |
and that was the last time we saw Green Deal Warehouse... | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
..for five months. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
And it wasn't for lack of trying. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Michael called time and again | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
to try and arrange for the main work to begin. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
They kept telling us that | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
the scaffolding was going to be coming next week. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Never came. Ring up again. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
"Coming in another week's time." | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
Never came. And it went on and on. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
In the meantime, the windows and doors had been left half-finished. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
So, far from keeping the heat in, the house was colder than ever. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
You could actually look through the window frames, not the glass, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
out into the street cos there were rather large holes | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
and a lot of expanding foam. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
It leaked if it rained. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
It were draughty. It were an eyesore. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
After months of phone calls and missed appointments, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
Michael finally had enough | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
and made one last call to the boss of Green Deal Warehouse, James Khan. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
I said, "I'm cancelling it," | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
and straightaway, Mr Khan says, "You'll not get your deposit back." | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
I says, "I'm not going to argue with you. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
"I'll see you in court," and put the phone down on him. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
I think Mr Khan thought I was joking. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
But after spending £1,000 | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and five months exposed to the elements, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
this was no laughing matter. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Michael got another company to complete the work | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
and took the Green Deal Warehouse to the County Court. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
Although Mr Khan did offer a defence, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
he missed the hearing and judgment was found against him. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
He was ordered to pay Michael back his deposit plus costs... | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
not that it seemed to make any difference. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
He just wouldn't pay. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Never saw a penny. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
He just... | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
totally ignored it. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Which left Michael with few options other than to turn to the sheriffs, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
something which he had no qualms about doing. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
It's the right thing to do, and I'm not... | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
I'm not that type of person... | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
..what's going to sit back and let him get away with it. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
Sheriff Chris Pearson is on his way to the Green Deal Warehouse | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
to try and get Michael his money back. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
And, as a fellow northerner, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
he has every sympathy with Michael's insulation nightmare. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
Where I live, it's on the coast. It's not too bad. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Come to the hilly districts, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:49 | |
you can get the snow up to two to three feet deep. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
It can get a bit cold as well, to say the least, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
so if you're looking to get your property, your home insulated, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
it's got to be done correctly, I would say. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
As Chris arrives, the business is open | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
and production seems to be in full swing. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
But is Mr Khan here? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Hello, mate. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
Hello? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
Is the boss in, mate, please? | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Just up here? Cheers. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
Is Mr Khan in, please? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
Can you get him on the phone for me? From the High Court. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Can you get him on the phone for us, mate? | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
Upstairs in the office, Chris explains the purpose of his visit. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
There's been a writ issued looking to seize company assets. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
It's not for a great deal of money. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I'm sure he'll resolve it straightaway. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
The staff offer to contact the boss, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
but they don't want our camera in the office. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Could you all just go downstairs five minutes? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
-Absolutely. I'll wait down here. -Cheers for that. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
But once downstairs, our cameraman's asked to leave altogether. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
Chris remains inside to negotiate | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
and soon emerges to fill us in on what's going on. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
The actual debtor himself is not there. Apparently he's away on | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
holiday but they are trying to get in touch with him at the minute. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
So hopefully, within a couple of minutes, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
we'll get in touch with him and get this paid. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Until they can get hold of him, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
there's no guarantee he'll agree to pay up. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
But if he doesn't, Chris is confident | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
he's got plenty to fall back on. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Forklifts, windows, cars - there's all sorts in there. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
Hopefully they'll pay, but if they don't | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
there seems to be more than enough to cover the debt. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Back inside, the staff manage to make contact with Mr Khan abroad and | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
break the news that a High Court sheriff is on the doorstep. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Mr Khan says that the case is still in dispute, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
but Chris explains that he's got a High Court writ | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
and so the debt to Mr Redmond needs to be paid now. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
Soon enough, Chris is heading back to his car. So what's the news? | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
Mr Khan was away on holiday but we managed to contact him by phone | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
and he's agreed to pay the full amount. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:03 | |
It's a textbook job for the sheriffs. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
That was one of the better ones. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
Yeah, if they could all go like that, it would be fantastic. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
Unfortunately, they don't. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:11 | |
Michael Redmond will now get his lost deposit back. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
We've received a cheque for the total of £1,246.73. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:22 | |
I think they've done a superb job for us. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
The Green Deal Warehouse told us... | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
..in processing the applications. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Mr Redmond was offered a number of start dates, which he... | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
The company says it was unable to attend the court hearing | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
due to work commitments and the reason they didn't pay the debt | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
is that they never received the letter from the court. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
In the capital, Lawrence and Kev | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
are heading into the heart of the West End. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
They're on their way to a job | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
that's going to turn out to be trickier than expected. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
We're in the middle of town today, going into Soho. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
We're actually going to Soho Restaurants Limited | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
and it is a restaurant we're going to. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
They owe £5,259 for cleaning services that have been | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
provided to the restaurant that haven't been paid for. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
To recover the money it's owed, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
the cleaning company has taken the restaurant to court | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
and won a default judgment | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
when the case wasn't defended. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
The sheriffs are eager to try and get it paid | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
and the snail-paced traffic en route to the job is trying their patience. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
Absolutely abysmal. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
I detest driving in Central London. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
Eventually, they pull into the right road. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
-Parking suspended. -Can't park here. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-It's that one on the corner. -Oh, yeah, I'll just wait here. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
Cos we're not getting a ticket as well as sitting in traffic all day. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
The company they're looking for is based at a restaurant | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
called Maison Touareg. Lawrence makes his introductions. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
-Hello there. -Hi. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:03 | |
I'll show you some ID. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
My name's Mr Grix. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
Are you the boss at all? | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Are you able to get him on the phone? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I'm here with a High Court writ. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
I'll explain it to your boss on the phone. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
Moments later, the staff member returns with the phone | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
and Lawrence gets straight to the point. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Hello, sir. I'm here today with a High Court writ | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
against Soho Restaurants Limited. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
I'm ordered to take control of goods to the value of £5,259.59. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:35 | |
But he's not expecting the boss's response. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Right... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
The boss says he owes thousands for unpaid business rates. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Another debt collection company has already executed a writ and taken | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
control of all the goods here. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
It would be one of the more inventive excuses Lawrence has heard | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
if it's not true, but he needs to make sure. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
Right. Have you got a copy of that here? | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
As it stands at the moment, unless I see copies of this paperwork, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
then I'm going to take control of the goods. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
The man says it's obvious he can't pay. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Lawrence isn't so sure. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
If you're telling me you can't pay today, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
that's what you're telling me, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
but it's not obvious to me that you can't pay today. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
If the goods have already been taken into control by someone else, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Lawrence can't touch them. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
That means he won't have much leverage to get the debt paid, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
and he might have to walk out empty-handed. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
While the staff member goes to see if he can find the paperwork, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Lawrence makes some inquiries of his own. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
I'm going to make a phone call. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
The world of High Court enforcement is a small one, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
and Lawrence knows just about everyone in the business. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
All right, Dave. How are you? I was just phoning | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
cos I think I'm on your... Well, I am on your patch. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
The other agent confirms | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
his company's already been to the restaurant, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
just as the staff member brings through the paperwork. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
Lawrence can only hope they've left something valuable off the list. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
Right, OK. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:01 | |
It basically lists everything that's in here. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
All the tables, chairs, cookers, fridges - everything, really. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
So nothing left for me, unfortunately, on this occasion. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
Lawrence gets back on the phone to the restaurant's boss. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Right, I've seen all the paperwork, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
so what I'll do, I'll leave paperwork here | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
with the amount that's owing | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
and contact details for me and an e-mail address for the office. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
He's hoping that the boss | 0:35:25 | 0:35:26 | |
will come to an arrangement to pay at least something... | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Give me a buzz with how much you want to pay. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
..but he's not optimistic... | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
Thank you. Bye-bye. There you go. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
..and with good reason. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
The outstanding debt on the other one for business rates | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
is enormous compared to ours, so obviously he's paying that off. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
He wants to pay ours off so I've left paperwork there | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
and he said he'll give me a ring later today | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
with what he proposes to pay. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Unfortunately, with no goods to take control of, your hands are tied. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
The restaurant boss didn't enter into a payment agreement | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
later that day and, to date, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
the debt with the cleaning company has not been settled. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
Sheriffs are now officially known as High Court enforcement agents | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
and they'll collect the money you're owed. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
My job is to collect in full or remove goods. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
They've got more powers of entry than bailiffs... | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
We don't have to take any notice of your security protocol, I'm afraid. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
..and there's no limit on the size of the debts they can pursue. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
£1.6 million. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Every year, sheriffs enforce more than 70,000 writs | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
across England and Wales | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
and recover more than £75 million. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I'm here today to take control of goods to the value of £41,086. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
We have to insist on full payment. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Their fees are set by the Government, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
which debtors have to pay on top of what they already owe. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Thank you very much. See you later. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
If the sheriffs can't recover any of your money, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
there's a fee of £75 plus VAT. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
Many of the sheriffs' cases arise from the sale of second-hand cars | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
and, just outside Stockport, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
sheriff Alan Pennington is about to enforce a typical case | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
against a company called Cheadle Car Sales Limited. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
The premises we're going to is on a retail estate. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
I'm not really sure who I'm going to meet, what assets they've got. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
Cheadle Car Sales was taken to the County Court by a customer | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
who had bought a car they weren't happy with. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
They won the case and the company was ordered | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
to give them a refund plus costs. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Eight weeks later, it still hasn't. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
So now, with a High Court writ in his hand, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Alan is going to try to get the customer's money back. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Cheadle Car Sales, here we are. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
Hello, fellas. Hello. I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
I'm here to issue a High Court writ. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Is there anyone I can speak to? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
-Is that camera on? Going on telly, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
At the sight of Alan and our camera, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
the boss of Cheadle Car Sales, Mr Cawley, makes an appearance. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
Yeah, what's it about? | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
Can I come and have a chat with you in the office? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Yeah, without the camera, yeah. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Our camera's asked to leave | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
and, while Alan talks to Mr Cawley in his office, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
the staff of Cheadle Car Sales start to show us a bit of cheek. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
In fact, a lot of it. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Inside the garage, the boss is refusing to pay... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
unless, that is, a certain condition is met, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
as Alan explains to his office. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Basically, he wants to know what vehicle it is | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
and he's not going to pay until he gets that vehicle back. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
I told him, "I'm not here to give you your vehicle back, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
"I'm here to issue a High Court writ." | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
Anticipating a standoff, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Alan tells the office he might need some backup. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
There's about eight of them here and, unless the police arrived, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
I don't really want to get involved unless the police are here. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
OK, thanks a lot. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
All right, cheers. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
And while the boss leaves to run an errand, Alan mulls over his options. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
He's only going to pay if the car's returned. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
He's going to come back and then we'll go through | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
the process of either having to call the police to assist me... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
..and a low-loader to take vehicles away, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:35 | |
so we'll find out in the next 10 or 15 minutes | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
when the gentleman comes back. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
But when Mr Cawley returns, he hasn't changed his stance. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
He now says he offered to fix the customer's car | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
when it first went wrong and he still wants the vehicle returned | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
as a point of principle before he'll pay a penny. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
As this isn't covered by the court order, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
he's got no right to demand this | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
but, as it could be a way of avoiding an ugly showdown, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Alan thinks it's worth a shot and gets the claimant on the phone. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:09 | |
He's happy to pay out the full amount of money on the claim | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
if the car comes back. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
What do you think? | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
The claimant says the car is undriveable and won't return it | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
but, as it's currently abandoned on their driveway, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
they're willing for it to be picked up at the garage's expense. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
All right. No problem. Thanks. Bye-bye. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
Alan heads in to tell Mr Cawley that's the best he can do. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
All right, do you want to come...? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
He'll either have to pay his debt | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
and collect the claimant's vehicle himself | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
or else lose another car from his forecourt. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
It has the desired effect. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Mr Cawley agrees to the deal but, yet again, there's a catch. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
His partner is in hospital and she has the bank details and apparently | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
runs the admin side of the business. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
So he can't pay today and is asking Alan to come back tomorrow. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
It sounds like another excuse but, given the situation, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
Alan thinks, on this occasion, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:11 | |
it's worth giving him the benefit of the doubt. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
The gentleman is happy to pay. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
I didn't see the point of any further confrontation | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
so we've agreed to meet and, if that's the case tomorrow, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
all will be well and done and the case will be closed. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
Leaving without payment today might look like another bum deal | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
from the garage, but Alan's pragmatism pays off. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
The following morning, Mr Cawley settled in full as promised. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
The car was picked up from the customer | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
and they got their money back. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
This morning, sheriffs Tommy Coyle and Craig Wild | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
are in the Black Country. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
We're off to West Bromwich this morning with regards to | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
two employment tribunal cases against the same company. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
The company itself is Enable UK Midlands Limited. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
The director of the company is an Amjad Mahmood. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
One is for £5,100 and the other one is for £11,700. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
Enable UK Midlands Limited provides supported living services for | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
the disabled and elderly. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
In 2015, the Care Quality Commission | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
described its services as "not always safe" | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
and the leadership as "inadequate". | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
Now, two former staff members have won employment tribunal cases | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
for breaches of contract and unpaid wages. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Today, the sheriffs are instructed | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
to collect a total of nearly £17,000. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
Whatever amount we collect today, we will split the money equally | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
to each case so they will both get a share | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
and hopefully also an arrangement in place to pay the rest off for them. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
The job is the same with two writs as with one | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
and the first step, as always, is to find the boss. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
-Hello. -Hi. -I'm trying to get in contact with Enable UK Limited. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
-Can I help you? Take a seat. -In the waiting room? OK. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
They said can we just wait in the waiting room for a minute. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
A bit of courtesy, we will do that. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
But once we've explained the situation to them, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
they need to pay it or we'll carry on and do our job, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
which is take control of goods. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:33 | |
After a minute's wait, a man comes in to talk to them. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Hello, sir. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
You what, sorry? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
Is Amjad about? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
My name is Mr Wild. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
We're here today with two High Court writs | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
for employment tribunal liabilities. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
The total outstanding is £16,962.03. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
Well, we're not leaving until we're paid. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
That's the order from the court. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
We can do you some account details to pay now, if you want them. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
Speak to Amjad first and I'll have a chat with him. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
-They ain't got the money. -They ain't got the money, no. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
Although happy to wait if it looks like they're going to get paid, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
Craig's patience isn't going to last long. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
I think his attitude was that | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
we're going to leave some letters and walk away, but we don't, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
not when it gets to this stage. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
We have the power and the authority to walk around this premises | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
and that's what we'll be doing. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
The man comes back, but he's not been able to get through | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
to the director Amjad Mahmood. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
Well, we'll come up anyway | 0:44:48 | 0:44:49 | |
cos we need to see where you're trading from. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
No, we're not going to sit here. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:55 | |
Where are you trading from, office-wise? | 0:44:58 | 0:44:59 | |
-We'll come and have a look, cos obviously... -We can. -We can, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
we have the authority to do so. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
I've shown you my identification. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
I've showed you mine and I can show you it again. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
-We're not waiting here now. -We can't wait here, sir. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
While Craig investigates what's upstairs, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
Tommy heads into the office. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Before he can do anything, however, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
our camera attracts the attention of the men present. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
I'm going to go outside, OK? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
We leave and continue filming from the road. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Inside, staff tell Craig and Tommy | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
that they haven't seen Amjad Mahmood for three weeks | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
and that there are three other companies in the building who, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
between them, own all the goods. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Sheriffs are entitled to carry out | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
a diligent search for information pertaining to their writ | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
and, as they hunt through paperwork in the office, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Craig and Tommy discover that not only is Mr Mahmood director | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
of at least one of the other companies in the building, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
but they also find a document listing many of the office goods | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
as the property of Enable UK Midlands Limited. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Tommy comes out to fill us in. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:14 | |
Yeah, it got a bit heated initially inside the building. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
There's four separate companies operating within there, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
all claiming not to know the director of our company, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
which we started to find out is not true. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
We started finding more and more paperwork of our company. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Obviously got them a bit irate. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:32 | |
They started to realise we're not just going to go away. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
With Tommy confident at least some of the goods belong to the company | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
on their writ, the staff in the office were out of options. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
So, the game's more or less up at this point. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
The more of that information we gather, you see them breaking down | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
and they've come to a deal, which is they're going to pay 6,900. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
We're going to do a controlled goods agreement until the rest of | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
the balance is paid on both orders. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
Tommy heads back inside with the card machine | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
and he and Craig take payment. It's not long before they're back. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
We've got a part payment today of £6,900 | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
which brought the balance down to £10,000 exactly. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
As time went by, we just kept finding more and more information | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
sort of contradicting what they were telling us. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
They just ended up looking a bit silly in the end and I think | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
they realised that and we got the result we did. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
They haven't seen Amjad since Christmas. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
They don't know where he is, he's uncontactable and, ultimately, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Mr Amjad has got 48 hours to get in contact with our office, | 0:47:25 | 0:47:29 | |
otherwise we'll be back to obviously execute and complete the execution | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
of the court order. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
Following the sheriffs' visit, Enable UK Midlands Limited | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
entered into a payment plan to clear the outstanding balance. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
Further money was received. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
However, two months later, the company was wound up, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
leaving its debt to its former workers part paid. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
It's half past 12 and, on the orders of the court, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Lawrence and Kev are on their way to collect another unpaid debt. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
We're in London, we're going up to NW10. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
We're going to go and find Supreme London Limited. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
They owe £13,869, so a big debt on this one. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
The address on the writ | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
leads them to a trading estate. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
Is it in here? Is this where we're going? | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
Yeah. In here, 11 and 12, Supreme. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
There's a sign on the wall but no clue as to what goes on inside. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
For Lawrence, forewarned is forearmed and he checks the file. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
"Involved in the sale of textiles, clothing, fur, footwear | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
"and leather goods, manufacture, importing and distribution | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
"of eco-friendly bags." It's not my bag. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
The unit door is locked. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
Lawrence rings the bell. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
Hello? Supreme London Limited? | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
My name is Mr Grix. My colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
We need to speak to somebody about a High Court writ. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
OK. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:11 | |
The sheriffs are asked to wait. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
Lawrence has already got a feeling about this job. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
Always suspicious of businesses that don't have an open door. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
He might be right, as five minutes later, no-one's let them in. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
Becoming of the opinion that there's nobody rushing down to see us. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
Lawrence doesn't take kindly to being made to hang around. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
He's got the Supreme London office phone number in the file. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:40 | |
Good afternoon. My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
I've just buzzed up outside about five minutes ago | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
and spoke to a young man, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
who I believe was going to try and contact somebody. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
Somebody needs to come to the door and speak to me now | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
because I have the power to force entry to commercial premises. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
I know somebody's in there. If nobody comes out and speaks to me, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
I will be getting a locksmith and I will affect entry into the building. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
No, I won't be waiting out here that long. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
Apparently they're on the phone to directors and somebody will call me | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
in about 10 or 15 minutes, and I'm not happy about that. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
Debtors don't always know the sheriffs | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
will let themselves in if need be. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
It's a powerful bargaining tool against anyone who hopes | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
they might just go away if ignored. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
We've confirmed that the company we're looking for is here | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
and there are people from that company inside | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
and they're not coming to the door so, if necessary, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
I will call out a locksmith and we'll force entry to the building. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
This time, however, his threat seems to have fallen on deaf ears. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
Then, just when it's looking like they really might need to force | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
the door, an employee has arrived... | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
How you doing, mate? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
You all right, buddy? | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
..and Lawrence and Kev follow him in. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
They head upstairs to Supreme London's office, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
which is a vast improvement on what Kev had expected. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
Different to the outside. The outside looks pretty run-down, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
not much is going on but, yeah, it's all happening up here. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
A note pinned to the wall gives a hint of | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
why they've had so much trouble getting in the door. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
But even now he's appeared unannounced in their office, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
Lawrence is struggling to get anyone's attention. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
Sorry, who is it that's actually in charge? | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
So who's in charge? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:31 | |
Somebody must be in charge at the moment. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
None of the people present seem sure what to do. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
So there's no managers here at all? | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
Right, so who's been trying to contact the director on the phone? | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
Who did I speak to from outside on the intercom? | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
But someone does get the company director on the phone. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
Hello? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:11 | |
Lawrence is hoping that finally the message will sink in. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
I have a High Court writ of control, which orders me to come here today | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
and take control of goods to the value of £13,869.92, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:25 | |
goods that can be sold at auction to clear this debt. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
But even he doesn't seem to understand | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
the importance of the writ. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
No, I don't want to come back at all. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
I will be executing the writ today. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
The only way to prevent further action is to pay in full. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
The man doesn't want to come to the office. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
You don't have to be here to pay. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
You can log on to your bank and pay by online transfer or... | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
He doesn't want to do that either. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
OK, then. OK, I'll carry on executing the writ | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
and call some lorries. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
OK, I'll take things. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
Not going to pay. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
Having been locked outside the front door and kept waiting by the staff | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
in the office, Lawrence isn't in the mood to waste any more time, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
and gets straight on the phone. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
Can you see if Rob's available | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
with his 7.5-tonner with the tail lift, please? | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
Kev, meanwhile, is on the hunt for goods they could remove. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
Unfortunately, there's not a great deal of assets here. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
There's a lot going on in the office, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:27 | |
a lot of computers and furniture | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
but value-wise it's not particularly great. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
A removal isn't ideal, so Kev tries to make the staff realise | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
they really do mean business, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
in the hope the director will reconsider. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Everything you see will be gone, from stock to this, everything. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
Literally. I mean, the whole place will be cleaned out | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
for the amount it is. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:50 | |
Yeah. Yeah, right now. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
Lawrence adds his weight to the argument. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
Is anybody here capable of backing up the computers? | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
Because I'm going to start unplugging them | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
because we're going to have to take them | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
because your boss isn't going to pay this. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
With over 13,000 owed, they really will need to remove everything. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:13 | |
It's not the sheriffs' intent to stop a business trading | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
but sometimes there's no other option. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
If it's all the company's got... | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
and they're not willing to pay | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
then you have to take what they have got and if it shuts them down, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
it shuts them down. He was adamant he wasn't going to pay, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
so you have to do what you have to do. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
Removal of office goods is the last resort for the sheriffs | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
and the worst option for a debtor. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
On top of the low value, they're bulky and expensive to remove | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
and will cost far more to replace | 0:54:43 | 0:54:44 | |
than they will ever sell for at auction. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
Lawrence's growing pile by the doorway | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
seems to have finally had the effect he wanted. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
Yeah, so we've been told there's a director on his way down now, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
not far away. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
But this belated move doesn't put him off his stride. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
No, we're going to carry on to save time. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
He said on the phone he wasn't going to pay, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
so I'm not stopping what I'm doing just because he's turning up. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
If he turns up and deals with it properly | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
then obviously there'll be no need for us to remove. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Moments later, the director arrives. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Are you the gentleman I spoke to on the phone? | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
My name is Mr Grix. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
Where are we going to, sir? | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
Oh, right. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Lawrence is led into a meeting room | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
while our cameraman is asked to wait outside. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
The director seems to now realise that the removal of | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
the entire contents of his office really is imminent | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
and that he'll need to find some money today to prevent it. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
45 minutes later, the sheriffs reappear. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
Despite keeping him waiting, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:00 | |
the director's managed to appease Lawrence. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
As it happens, he was quite a nice chap. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
There was photos of him with David Cameron, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
Prince Charles, the Queen, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
so obviously quite a well-to-do businessman | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
who mixes in the right circles. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
He might have famous friends but he didn't have the full £13,869 | 0:56:18 | 0:56:24 | |
that the sheriffs came for. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
He did manage to pay £3,300 | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
and he's got money clearing into his account tomorrow, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
which he's going to do by Bacs over to us, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
so we'll have the balance by Friday. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
I think he'll probably do it but, either way, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
the £3,300 we got was more than the value of anything in there. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
It was fairly old computers, which go for nothing at auction, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
and, other than that, there really wasn't much at all. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
Bits and pieces of furniture, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
but it certainly wouldn't have raised £3,300 at auction, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
plus you'd have had the cost of removing it etc etc, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
so it's best today just to get a controlled goods agreement, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
get a partial payment and wait for the balance to come in on Friday. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
In the end, it's a good result in difficult circumstances. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
Supreme London Limited later cleared the balance | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
and the claimant has got their money back. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 |