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Meet the sheriffs. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
My name's Mr Grix. My colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
Here with a High Court order today. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
They work for the High Court, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
and if a judge says you're owed money, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
it's the sheriffs' job to go and get it. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
Hey, all the keys! | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
I'm going to be calling a locksmith. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
They can demand payment on the spot... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
What can you pay us now? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
-You're going to get the cash, are you? -Are you paying the bill? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
..or remove assets instead. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
You've got 30 minutes to make the payment. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
Then we'll start removing stuff from the building. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
You'll have a week to pay in full before it gets sold at auction. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Obstructing their work can be a criminal offence. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
-I wouldn't do that, if I were you. -Don't lie to me. -No messing. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
Every year, sheriffs in England and Wales recover unpaid debts | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
totalling more than £80 million. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Coming up... Ben Anderson's two-year-old son narrowly escaped | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
serious injury when a car drove into their vehicle. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Luckily, he slept with his legs tucked up. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
If he hadn't, they would have got crushed. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
The insurance company didn't pay out, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
and the sheriffs are in no mood to stand in line. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
We're here to execute a High Court writ. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
When a supermarket boss refuses to clear his debt, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Tracy threatens to clear his shelves. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
And there's been an order issued for us to recover this money today. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Otherwise, we will be removing goods. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Mike lays down the law to a firm of solicitors. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
No, no, no, no, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
you've just said exactly the same to my colleague, OK? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
You have got 30 minutes to make payment in full. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Susan Carolan spent thousands of pounds on a garden summerhouse. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
The first time it rained, the water just absolutely poured through. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
When the man who sold it says he can't pay her back, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Tracy and Dave get the clamp out. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
It's seven o'clock in the morning, and enforcement agents Tracy Lee | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
and Dave Steele are in Cheshire, heading to a debtor's home address. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
This morning, we're in Macclesfield, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
hoping to meet up with a Mr Richard Lovenbury. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
This debt is in relation to some faulty building works done. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
From looking at the notes, it seems to be in relation to a summerhouse | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
that the defendant's fitted for the client, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
and it seems that the client's not been happy | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
with the service provided. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
The money is owed to disabled pensioner Susan Carolan. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
She decided to have a 32-foot summerhouse built | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
at the top of her garden | 0:02:38 | 0:02:39 | |
to provide a comfortable retreat for her 92-year-old father. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
I got a few quotes, you know, from different people. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
I didn't really know anything about sheds. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
One of the people who came out to look at the job and quote for it | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
was Richard Lovenbury. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
And as far as Susan was concerned, he made a good first impression. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
Oh, I thought he was lovely. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
Very nice, very presentable as well. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
He was talking about his children, family man sort of thing, you know, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
very trustworthy. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Susan was also impressed with the quality of his work. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
He actually opened up in one of the garden centres, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
and he had buildings on display there. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Richard Lovenbury quoted | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
for the construction and painting of Susan's summerhouse. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
The total cost would be nearly £5,000. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
He said that he would give me a five-year guarantee, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
so it was all rather convincing, you know. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
The base was laid and construction of the summerhouse got underway. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
But Susan was unable to keep an eye on the work. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
I should have come up when they were putting the base down, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
but I was ill at the time. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
I am disabled. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
I have... | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
..you know, bad arthritis. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
I have trouble walking sometimes, you know, with my legs and hips. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
When Susan did finally see the summerhouse, her heart sank. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
It had been painted pink, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
not the apricot crush colour she had asked for. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
It was dreadful, the painting on it. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
It looked like pink undercoat, to be quite honest. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
I was quite shocked. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
But Susan was even more upset by flaws in the way | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
the summerhouse had been constructed. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
The base hadn't been laid properly. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
I said, "But that base is not level, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
"and the building's not level, and it's all out of sync, you know, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
"and it's leaning backwards." | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Susan could see the shed didn't line up to the fence, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
and the roof wasn't up to much either. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
The first time it rained, the water just absolutely poured through. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
And the materials were below the | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
standard she and Mr Lovenbury had agreed to. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
I'd ordered 16mm wood and only got 11mm wood. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:06 | |
It was upsetting to know that you'd been ripped off. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
It was embarrassing, really. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
It was not just my money, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
it was Dad's money as well, and it was something for him, you know, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
this disabled garden. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
She had an independent survey carried out | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
which confirmed her fears. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
The summerhouse Mr Lovenbury had supplied | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
was finished to a poor standard and wasn't fit for purpose. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
When I kept complaining, Lovenbury said, "It's not my responsibility, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
"it's the manufacturer's." | 0:05:37 | 0:05:38 | |
They said, "It's not our responsibility, it's Lovenbury." | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
So, for about a year, it just went backwards and forwards. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Eventually, she decided to take both Mr Lovenbury and the manufacturers | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
to the Small Claims Court in an attempt to get her money back. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
As proceedings got underway, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Richard Lovenbury made an admission that took Susan by surprise. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
He just stood up in court and said, "I want to admit to everything. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
"It's all my responsibility." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
The claim against the manufacturers was dropped, and Mr Lovenbury was | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
ordered to pay back the money Susan had spent on the summerhouse. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
But she still didn't receive it, so, in desperation, she transferred | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
the case up to the High Court and called in the sheriffs. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
I thought, "There's no way I can deal with him, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
"trying to get money every month." | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
So that's why I put it up to the sheriffs. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
With court costs and fees, Susan is now owed £6,168. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:48 | |
It's now down to Tracy and Dave to get Susan what she's owed. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
As they get close to Mr Lovenbury's address, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Tracy is on the lookout for one asset in particular. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
The file says Mr Lovenbury drives a BMW | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
that should be worth enough to cover the debt. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
The RBM's tidy. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
'09 plate. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
Tracy makes sure it's not going anywhere. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
I'm just going to grab this clamp to try and get this on | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
before we get a response at the door. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Dave goes to introduce himself, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
but it looks like whoever's inside has seen him coming. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
Somebody just opened the curtains and had a look, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
possibly the defendant. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
So he's up and about, so I think he's seen us, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
he knows what's going on, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
so let's see if he's going to answer the door. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
By the time Tracy's finished with the clamp, the door opens. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Good morning, it's Mr Steele from the Sheriffs Office. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Would you ask Mr Lovenbury to come to the door, please? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
It's the debtor's partner. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
Moments later, Mr Lovenbury appears in the doorway. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
-Good morning, Mr Lovenbury... -Who's the camera? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
You'd better ask the gentleman, not me. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
We're filming for a BBC One documentary series | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
-called The Sheriffs Are Coming. -Right. Can you go away? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Tracy and Dave are invited in, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
but we leave Mr Lovenbury's property and film from the road. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
Inside, the sheriffs explain they've come to collect Susan's money. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
Right, obviously, you're aware of the debt for Susan Carolan. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
What is your position of getting it settled? | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Mr Lovenbury tells Dave he's tried to set up a payment plan, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
but the sheriffs can't agree to one | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
without making sure it's a good deal for Susan. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
They need to view and assess his assets. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
The shed salesman says he's only recently back at work after a period | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
of absence, and offers to pay just £100 a month. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
But, with £6,168 outstanding, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
it would take years to clear the debt at that rate. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
The sheriffs know Susan wants her money sooner than that | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
and Tracy asks about the vehicle outside the property. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
There is a Ford car parked next to the BMW on their list | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
that apparently belongs to the debtor, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
but it's 14 years old and probably worth less at auction | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
than the cost of removing it. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
The BMW is worth considerably more, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
but his partner says it belongs to her and that it's on finance. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
She also tells Tracy the house is hers alone | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
and so are all the goods inside it. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Unfortunately, it looks like everything belongs to his partner. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
The tenancy agreement is in her name. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
We're just waiting to get the papers for the vehicle on finance. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
It's her car, and, sadly, he has | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
been out of work for quite some time. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
He's stating that there is nothing at all available today, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
and he's looking to put forward a proposal on a monthly basis. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
The tenancy agreement checks out, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
so Dave calls the office to make sure what they've been told about | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
the vehicle is correct. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
-There's no finance attached. -It's on finance, but it's not. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Well, I know it's not on finance. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-Well, why did they say it was? -It's not, is it? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
Well, yeah. It's his car, I'm telling you. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
If the car had been on finance, the sheriffs couldn't take it. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Tracy has a hunch that the reason they were told it was | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
must be that the car belongs to the debtor himself. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
We've just telephoned the office and it's showing free from finance, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
so you've lied to me there. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
I need the DVLA papers or it's going to be removed. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
For a moment, it looks like the sheriffs are going to be able | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
to take the car, sell it and pay Susan some of her money back. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
Have you found it? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
The V5 document doesn't prove ownership, but with other paperwork | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
in the woman's name, Tracy has changed her mind. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-Thank you. -Right. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
I shall go and give her this back and take the clamp off. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
So the sheriffs are now convinced it is her car, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
and that means they are left with nothing of value to take control of. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
With no leverage, it's back to a payment arrangement. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Dave is inside the house and continues to push for the best deal | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
possible for Susan. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
It's up to the client if they're going to accept any arrangement, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
so it may work for you if you can get some form of a lump sum. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
So, what can you pay today, Mr Lovenbury? Can you pay anything? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
500? 1,000? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Eventually, Mr Lovenbury comes up with £150, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
and his partner transfers another 200. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
They agree he'll continue to pay 150 a month. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
That's as much as we can push it. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
There's no assets to have any leverage with. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
It's better than nothing, and Dave plans to review the arrangement | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
after six months, with a view to increasing the payments. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
Susan's happy they've done as much as they can. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
They'll collect the money, and if he doesn't pay, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
they'll go back round and see him. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
-I think the sheriffs are really great, good guys. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Using the County Courts to try and recover money you're owed | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
isn't difficult. 1.5 million money claims are paid every year in | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
England and Wales, involving anything from faulty goods | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
or poor workmanship to unpaid invoices. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Claims can be filed online, or by post for a small fee. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Both parties in the case will be asked to submit evidence, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
and you may have to attend a court hearing. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
If you're successful, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
a County Court Judgment, or CCJ, will be issued against the debtor. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
If they still don't pay, that's when you call the sheriffs. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
High Court enforcement agents Tracy Lee and Adam Crossley | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
are in West Yorkshire in pursuit of an unpaid bill. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
We're off to a supermarket - Dong Dong Oriental Supermarket. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
It looks like it's from a supplier. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
The supermarket was taken to court | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
when it failed to pay for a delivery of goods. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
The claim wasn't contested | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
and a judgment was made in favour of the supplier. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
When they still didn't get paid, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
it was transferred to the High Court for enforcement. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Today, it's Tracy and Adam's job to get what's owed. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
We're looking to recover just over £2,000. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
Well, we're here. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Adam and Tracy head inside and there's an employee at the checkout. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Hello, could I speak to the proprietor, please? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Is the owner here? | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
Fortunately, the boss is here, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
and moments later he emerges from the back of the shop. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
-Hello. -High Court enforcement agent. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
I'm here with an unpaid debt. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
He's shown the paperwork and seems to know about the amount. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
It's for 2,129. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
What do you mean, no? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-Right. -Right. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
The cause of the dispute is no concern of Tracy's. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
She wastes no time explaining what it means | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
when sheriffs arrive at the door with a writ. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
This has been through court, and there has been an order issued | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
for us to recover this money today, otherwise we will be removing goods. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
So, are you in a position to pay this in full | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
before I start listing goods with a view to removing? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Right, if you've got a dispute, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
you're going to have to deal with it down the correct channels. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
I am not here today to dispute this with you, I'm here to enforce it. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
You can call who you want, but this needs to be paid. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
I'm going to give you 20 minutes. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
If this isn't paid, I'll start listing. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
And if Tracy does start listing items to be removed, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
the amount they owe will go up. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
At this point, the boss asks us to leave the shop, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
so we continue to film from the roadside. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
It sounds as if Tracy's message may be starting to get through. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
As it stands, there is a live writ which I'm here today | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
to enforce and collect on. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
The boss tells Tracy he will pay the debt. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Yeah, you can pay it by card. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
Adam comes outside to update us. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
I think he's contacting his wife. He's disputing it. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
We're just waiting for a credit card or a debit card to appear | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
to get it paid in full, so we'll keep you updated on that. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
Adam goes back to join Tracy, but instead of the money, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
it's the boss's wife that appears. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
She wants to see the original County Court paperwork, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
but that's not something the sheriffs were involved in. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
They've got a High Court writ and they'll execute it to the letter. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Adam reminds them that not paying up isn't in their interests. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
If it's not paid, you'll end up with another further £494 plus VAT. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
Are you refusing to pay it? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
They are, and that's not all... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
-He's going to call the police. -Right, OK, well... -All right. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
The shop's refusal to pay means the sheriffs' attention | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
turns to their assets. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
It's going to take a lot of instant noodles, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
but Tracy reluctantly starts listing goods for removal. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
-These rice ovens... -Rice cookers. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
Yeah, may have value. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
And that comes with a cost. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
The enforcement has now moved to stage two, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
which means the extra £600 Adam warned about | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
has been added to the debt. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
This has now been taken to stage two. You've incurred a further cost. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
You've refused to pay it and we've started to list goods. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Faced with escalating costs | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
and the very real prospect of losing their stock, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
the shopkeepers now agree to pay, but not the extra fees. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
Tracy's not impressed. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
The shop didn't offer anything until she was forced to escalate, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
and she's not going to back down now. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
I'm running out of patience now. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
We're going round and round and round. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
This is the stage we've got to. We're not backpedalling now. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
The figure you need to pay is that. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
We can stop there and you can pay the 2-7, or we can continue | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and it'll go up again, because I will start lifting. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
It's not Mickey Mouse this, you know. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
And with that, Dong Dong Oriental Supermarket's arguments are over. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
They pay the debt and their extra costs on a card. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
He was going to pay it at one point. His wife's come along, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
spoken to him, the next thing, they're not paying it, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
they're calling the police, questioning our authority, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
whether we should be there and we're not who we are, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
and it's gone to stage two, and then he's tried to backpedal. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
It's been a tough afternoon, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
but the sheriffs have done what they came to do. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
The shop's supplier will now get the money they're owed. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Dong Dong Oriental Supermarket told us... | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
They said... | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
..and that... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
One of the biggest challenges consumers face when they take on big | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
companies is navigating endless recorded phone messages, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
and finding the right person to talk to. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
It can be a frustrating process. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
When the sheriffs turn up to collect a debt in person, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
they've got powers that consumers don't have, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
so they can get results where we can't. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
It's midday in the capital. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
High Court enforcement agents Andy Joryeff and Adie Long | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
are on their way to the head office | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
of one of the country's largest insurance companies. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
We're there after AXA insurance company in central London. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
We're there to collect a debt of just over £1,300. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Obviously a large company. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
We don't know what we're going to be confronted with, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
but it being in the centre of London, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
I should imagine it's one of these big, huge modern places. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Sometimes the sheriffs do have to go round the houses | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
like the rest of us. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
A few problems that we'll face | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
whilst enforcing against big companies | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
is trying to locate that one person that's authorised to make payments | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
on behalf of the company. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Another problem that we'll find, as well, is security. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
They will try and stop us. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
It's their job, but we have right of entry to commercial premises. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
We'll go anywhere in the building that we please | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
whilst we search for assets. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
Wherever they go, if a debtor tries to obstruct them, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
the sheriffs have a trump card. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
We can call the police. They will be breaking the law | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
by trying to prevent us from carrying out our duty. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
We'll search the building for assets no matter what today. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Andy and Adie's writ is for an unpaid motor insurance claim owed | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
to this man - 35-year-old Ben Anderson. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Ben had been taking two-year-old son Jack to visit his grandparents. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
It's always an exciting thing for him, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and we were looking forward to a nice weekend with the family | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
who always spoil him absolute rotten, like grandparents do. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
They were stopped in traffic when a car travelling at 40mph slammed | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
into the back of them, shunting them into the car in front. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
When the car hit, it was just a massive crash. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
The whole impact squashed the car, and the backseat got pushed up | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
against the back of my seat. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
The car sustained heavy damage. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
Jack was in a child seat in the back, and the impact left it | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
squashed up against the seat in front of him. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
I was obviously in shock, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
but my first priority was to make sure | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
that Jack was OK. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
He was crying, shaking and screaming. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Nothing else in that moment mattered. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
When you see your child in such distress, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
everything else kind of goes out the window. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Jack was terrified, but had avoided being seriously hurt. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
Luckily, he slept with his legs tucked up because, if he hadn't, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:08 | |
that would've been crushed against the back of my seat. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
For him to come away without any injuries, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
it was a miracle. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
It wasn't until later that Ben realised | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
HE had been hurt in the crush. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
I sustained whiplash. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
I had extreme pain in my left shoulder. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
It would just hurt to do basic things like picking my son up, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
so that impacted me a lot | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
for a long period afterwards the accident, as well. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
The driver who hit him admitted responsibility. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
After a medical examination, their insurance company, AXA, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
agreed to pay compensation for Ben's injuries and the written-off | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
vehicle, as well as the child seat and a pushchair | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
that were ruined in the crash. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
But despite repeatedly chasing them, the money never arrived. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
This just rumbled on for months and months. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
I'd be ringing my solicitor, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
sort of, every week, like, "Have you heard anything? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
"Have we received any payment?" And every time, they were saying, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
"No, we haven't. We've been chasing them. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
"They're not getting back to us." | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Every time, AXA would say they'd been sending out the cheque | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
and it had been going to the wrong address. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
The cheque was being sent back, and then it was going to the bottom of | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
the queue of all their claims to make. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
and then they were sending it out to the wrong address again. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Ben replaced the child seat and pushchair out of his own pocket, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
but he still urgently needed a car for work. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
He couldn't wait for AXA to get round to paying up | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
and had to borrow the money. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
My dad's not a rich man either. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
He's had to take that money out of his savings. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
I really need to get this resolved so I can pay him back. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:08 | |
AXA eventually paid part of the claim, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
but with the rest still outstanding, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Ben took them to court. When they didn't offer a defence, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
the judge ordered that they finally pay up, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
but still they haven't done so. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Ben's now had the judgment upgraded to the High Court | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and got a writ for the money. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
For them to agree to pay me this money and then for it to go on | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
month after month without getting anywhere... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
I just need this weight lifted off my shoulder. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I'm really hoping that the sheriffs | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
can get this money for me. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Back in London, that's exactly what Andy and Adie are planning to do. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
They have the power to enter a debtor's premises in the execution | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
of a writ, even if those premises are gleaming glass towers | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
belonging to multinationals. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
The company's a very big company. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
We know that they're good for the money. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
They will have the assets available to us for removal if necessary. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
But before they do that, they need to find the right place. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Even for enforcement agents carrying High Court writs, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
the big city can be a confusing place. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
-Where is it? Is it down there? -It's up there on the left. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Wherever it is, it's a long way from home. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Being from a little Cornish town, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
it's something else when you actually get down into London | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
and you look at it from the ground up. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
Just the size of it. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Adie's usual patch is the Welsh valleys. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
I don't think I could live in the city. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
The thing is, you've got all this traffic. I mean... | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Crazy. Absolutely crazy. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
The gridlock. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
Give me strength today | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
-to get through... -LAUGHTER | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
..driving through London. I know how frustrating it can get! | 0:25:02 | 0:25:08 | |
Keep your hat on, man. You'll go grey before your time. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Oh, you already are. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:12 | |
-We had to bring the barnet into it! -LAUGHTER | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
They eventually manage to navigate | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
the city's labyrinthine one-way systems, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and find the address on the writ. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
AXA. There we are. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
They head into demand the payment to Ben's insurance claim. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Entering the lobby, Andy spots a man at the electronic barriers | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
who looks like security. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
All right, sir? My name's Mr Joryeff, I'm an enforcement agent, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
here to execute a High Court writ. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
-Hang on, sir. I will call the control room. -OK. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
-Excuse me! Can you stay there please, sir? -Hello, sir. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
-Can you stay there, please? -I'll stay here. Like I said... | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
-..High Court enforcement. -Let me call the control room, sir. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Yeah, not a problem. Give them a call. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
That's OK, I'm the same. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Hello, receiving? Excuse me... | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
We've just gained entry into the building. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
The security guard on the ground floor opened up the gates in order | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
to come out to speak with ourselves. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
As he came out, the gates were still open, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
so I've walked on through. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
Sheriffs have the court-given power to bypass front desks. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
There's nothing the security man can do to remove them now. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
He gets on his walkie-talkie and, moments later, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
a woman appears to speak to them. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
We're here to enforce a High Court writ of control. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
-Sorry, who are you here to see? -AXA insurance. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
OK. And has somebody been called? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
We're just getting that sorted out now, I believe. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Right. And who in AXA insurance are you here to see? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
My name's Mr Joryeff, OK? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
There's my identification, OK? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I'm here today in order to execute | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
a High Court writ of control against AXA Insurance UK PLC | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
for an outstanding debt. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:12 | |
So I need to go and talk to our legal team, which I'll go and do. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
-OK. -If you wait here, I'll go and do that now. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
The sheriffs are used to companies of this size taking a while | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
to identify claimants and finding the right person to deal with them, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
so they're happy to wait for now. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
There is to be no filming. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Our cameraman isn't welcome to wait with them, however, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
and we retreat to the road. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
Inside, security don't really want the sheriffs hovering by the lift, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
but can't persuade them to take a seat out of view. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
We will just wait inside at the barriers, OK? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
So they wait. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
I'm not going to make us wait around all day. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:57 | |
The sheriffs are entitled to carry out a diligent search | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
at a debtor's premises and start listing their assets. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
But before Andy decides to press the point and go upstairs, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
someone comes down in the lift to talk to him. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
My name's Mr Joryeff from the Sheriffs Office. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
OK, do you want to come up? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
They're taken upstairs, and with Andy going through the paperwork | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
with an AXA lawyer, Adie comes outside to update us. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
At the moment, it's being looked into, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
and it looks as if we will get payment. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Obviously, it's such a large company, they've got to look | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
into the solicitors and the reasoning behind | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
the debt hasn't been paid. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
As soon as that comes back, I'm sure we'll be paid and settled. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Adie reckons Andy's decision to bypass security | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
helped speed up the process. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
Most places, they don't understand the actual power that we have got | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
in going into buildings. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
We have got the power and we can go in and remove. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
With Andy in control upstairs, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
Adie decides to leave him to it and stay with the van. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Parking is extremely difficult and expensive in this part of London, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
so with a parking warden patrolling, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Adie decides his best bet is to keep moving. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
I'll just have to drive around the block. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
He heads off, expecting Andy to be following him downstairs | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
with payment in a minute or two. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
But, nearly an hour later, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
he's still circling and Andy is still upstairs, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
trying to get Ben Anderson the money he's owed. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Going round... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
Eventually, Andy reappears. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
Hello, sir. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
He's had to do it without Adie, but he's got the payment in full. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Fantastic result. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
The accounts department have put through the payment. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
I've checked with our accounts now. Full payment has been received. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
All £1,357. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Good timing, fantastic. We'll get in the van. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
All right, Adie? How any laps have you done? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
-I lost count after five. -LAUGHTER | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Righty-o, let's go. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:03 | |
Andy and Adie head out of London as fast as possible. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
14 days later, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:08 | |
the sheriffs were able to transfer to Ben | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
the insurance pay-out he was entitled to. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
I would like to say a massive thank you to the sheriffs. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
At last, some good news after this whole ordeal. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
As one small person against a big company, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
and it....and it's just been | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
amazing that they've gone out there | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
on my behalf and got what I was owed. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
High Court enforcement agents Tommy Coyle and John Farley | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
are in Surrey, looking for one of the country's biggest holiday firms. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Off to Gatwick today, to an industrial site, going to see | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
Thomson Airways in relation to an outstanding claim. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
The outstanding balance is £2,600. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Relatively small for a large company. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
Today, they are heading to the head office of TUI, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
the parent group of Thomson Airways. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
The debt relates to unpaid compensation owed to passengers | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
who were delayed on a flight. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
The claimant took the matter to court, and when Thomson Airways | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
didn't contest the case, a judgment was ruled in the claimant's favour. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
Any type of delay over three hours, I believe it is, you can | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
make a claim for compensation and then obviously transfer it up | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
to ourselves to enforce it. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
The rules state that passengers must be offered free meals after a delay | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
of two hours, cash compensation after three, and free accommodation | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
if they're kept overnight. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
It's been this way since 2009, but not everyone gets what they're owed, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
and collecting debts like this is regular work for the sheriffs. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
Me and John have both done lots of different airlines. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
They just don't seem to be paying them, whether it gets lost | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
with the paperwork, half the time they don't know about it | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
until we turn up, they say. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
The sheriffs may be familiar faces | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
at the head offices of some airlines, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
but today John's hoping he won't get recognised. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
I've got a holiday with Thomson. I'm going on a cruise with them. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
That'll be lovely. Just the job. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
-Hopefully they don't realise it's me and cancel my cruise. -LAUGHTER | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
As they approach the address, it doesn't look good. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
-It's here, isn't it? Is that all locked up? -Yeah. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
-Oh, you're kidding! -They've gone away. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
Where do you think they've gone? | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
The building looks completely abandoned, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
but Tommy thinks he's seen someone in the lobby. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
Maybe there's security. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
-You all right? -Hi, there, I'm looking for Thomson. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
Is this TUI Travel House? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
It was, but it isn't any more. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
TUI and Thomson have flown the nest. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
They've gone to Luton now? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
The security guard says that, although the head office | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
is no longer here, the company has another address nearby | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
and that's where he's been redirecting visitors. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
Jetset House? That's around here, yeah? | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
-Yeah. -Thank you. -Right, thanks for your time. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Any mail for Thomson Airways is also being forwarded to Jetset House, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
so Tommy thinks his and John's presence there | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
shouldn't come as a surprise. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
We have to send a notice of enforcement out, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
giving them seven days. If it's been redirected, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
they would have got that notice of enforcement | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
and we can look to enforce this writ. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
The sheriffs leave for the new address. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
They know it's not the head office, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
but they're confident that if the payments department isn't there, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
whoever is will be able to reach the right person. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
There we go. TUI Group. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
They park and head in to ask for the money. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
Hello, how are you doing? Looking for Thomson Airways, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
in relation to a High Court writ that has been issued. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
-So, maybe legal department, something like that? -Yes... | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
Reception makes a call upstairs. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
This is more of a satellite office, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
but should still be able to get our results. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
..and moments later, a man turns up to speak to them. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
Hello. Here looking for Thomson Airways, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
to collect an outstanding sum of money of £2,638. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
Almost immediately, he starts to question John's paperwork. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
Thomson Airways is not a company name. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
Thomson Airways Limited is the company name. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
And are they based here as well? Are they part of the TUI group? | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
Thomson Airways Limited is a subsidiary of TUI AG. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
The original paperwork had a mistake on it, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
and now the writ reads "Thomson Airways" | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
instead of "Thomson Airways Limited." Even so, the sheriffs are | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
still expecting the company to know about the case and to pay. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
It's probably going to be relating to a delay or something like that. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
-Yeah. -So, I mean... -Is there anyone that can get on the phone | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
and deal with this? Yeah, no problem. No problem. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
They're going to be aware of this gentleman. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
And, obviously, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
we'll be suggesting it needs to be paid today. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
When people pursue a debt through the courts, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
one of the most common mistakes is to get the name of the debtor wrong. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
In the case of companies, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
the claim must be brought against the registered name, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
as listed by Companies House. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
In this case, Tommy and John's client may have booked a holiday | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
with the business trading as Thomson Airways, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
but should have taken Thomson Airways Limited to court. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
We have a nonentity on the writ. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Moral of the story - | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
be sure who you're taking to court. Reference the name exactly. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Get it right. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Technically, TUI could refuse to pay because of the mistake on the writ, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
but the sheriffs want them to do the right thing for their passengers. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
John calls his office to get some more details, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
including flight numbers and passenger names | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
and TUI find the case on their system. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Give them all the details and... | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
Yeah. He's got onto the legal department of TUI Group. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
They know about this case, which they've admitted now. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
They're getting the right gentleman on the phone to us. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
We've gathered some more information for him - | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
reference of flight number etc, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
which makes the process a lot quicker, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
so they can obviously find out exactly what case, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
because there's probably a few of these ongoing. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
So, at this stage, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
we're just waiting for this gentleman to call us back. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Hopefully, they just want to get it paid. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Eventually, TUI agree the claimant is owed the money | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and make the payment by bank transfer. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
After a little bit of arguing and disputing what department owes it | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
and who should be dealing with it, got it resolved and paid. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
They know about the case. That's why they've got it paid today, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
so it was a good result for the claimant - | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
the claimants, in this case - | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
and a good result for ourselves. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
It took them more than two hours, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
but the sheriffs finally got the money that was owed. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
TUI Group told us they... | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
They said they... | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
If you've won a County Court judgment and haven't been paid, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
for £66, you can get the case transferred up to the High Court, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:20 | |
which will issue a writ for enforcement by the sheriffs. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
Hello? I'm an enforcement agent enforcing a High Court writ. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
I'm here just to execute the court order. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
They've got more powers than County Court bailiffs. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
We're going to force entry into the shop | 0:37:32 | 0:37:33 | |
in about the next 10-15 minutes. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
I have the right under the writ to investigate. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
If you obstruct myself or my colleague, it is a criminal offence. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
And there's no limit to the size of the debts they can pursue. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
£14 million. It's the largest job I've ever done. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
You can pay it directly into our account from Spain. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
If they're successful, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
they will recover your money and costs from the debtor... | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
Thanks. Thank you. | 0:37:58 | 0:37:59 | |
..as well as their own fees that are set by the government. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
It was that amount there until half past five. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
I don't stand here for three hours for nothing. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
If the sheriffs can't get your money, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
they'll ask you to pay a fee of £75, plus VAT. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
The sheriffs don't always need to see the debtor in person | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
or to enter their premises in order to collect a payment. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
Sometimes, their presence and a frank telephone conversation | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
is all it takes and today is one of those days. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
High Court enforcement agents Mike Perkins and Billy Evans | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
are heading out to West London. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
Today we're in sunny Hounslow. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
We're off to see a Pembridge Solicitors Limited. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
We're after just shy of £3,000. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
The money is owed to a laundry firm. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Mike's expecting the solicitors to be aware of what a High Court writ | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
means and doesn't think they'll put up much of a fight. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
Billy's the more diplomatic side of the team, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
so I'm going to let Billy play the good cop for a while, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
see if we can go that way. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
If not, then I'll just have to up the ante a little bit. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
They arrive at a large multi-occupancy office building | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
and head inside. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
They're looking for the director of Pembridge Solicitors, Mr Pem. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
Excuse me, we're looking for Pembridge Solicitors. Thank you. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
His office is on the first floor. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
But when they get there... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
..there's no-one in. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Door's locked. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Billy's got a mobile number for Mr Pem on file, so he gives him a call. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
Hello, is that Mr Pem? Sir, I'm a High Court enforcement agent. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Are you about, to come and have a chat with us? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
We're here today to enforce a High Court writ. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
The amount is £2,990.25. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
Mr Pem seems to know all about it and promptly agrees to pay. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
Perfect. Thank you very much. Bye-bye. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
He's going to do it now. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
I wish they were all this easy. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
From a phone call, just like that. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
It looks like this is going to be an easy job, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
and just a matter of waiting for the payment to go through. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
But when Mr Pem calls back, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
he hasn't paid, and he's angry that the sheriffs are outside his office. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
Right, the payment, unfortunately, hasn't been made. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
So that's why we're here. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
It's too late to argue about it. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
With the sheriffs at his doorstep, Mr Pem needs to pay up. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
But Billy's struggling to get the message across. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
If you'd made the payment, we wouldn't have attended. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
We attend in person to collect that payment in full. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
You're going round in circles, Billy. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
Again, obviously the payment wasn't made during the notice | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
of enforcement period, which is why we attended. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
The diplomatic approach isn't getting him very far. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
Just needs to make the payment, or we're going to gain entry. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
Right. I'm... | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
Mike can't contain himself any longer. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
-Want me to speak? -Give me one second, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
I'm just going to put you across to my colleague for a second. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Hello, this is Mr Perkins speaking. Is that Mr Pem? | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
OK, I'm going to... Sir, sir. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
I'm going to put it straight down on the line, OK? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
I'm not going to wrap it up in cotton wool, OK? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
The payment needs to be made in the next 30 minutes via bank transfer. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
If the payment is not made within the next 30 minutes, OK, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
I'm going to be calling a locksmith, OK, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
and we're going to be gaining entry, OK, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
where you'll incur even more charges. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
You need to make the payment on stage one | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
to stop any other further costs going on. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
Mike knows from experience that issuing an ultimatum | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
is an effective tool. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
I'm going to be putting on a timer. 30 minutes to make payment in full. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
OK? No, no, you've just said exactly the same to my colleague. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
OK? You have got 30 minutes to make payment in full. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
Thank you very much for your time. We'll speak to you in 30 minutes. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
Goodbye. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
There we go. That's the Mike way. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
One of the reasons Mike and Billy work so well as a team | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
is that they have different but complementary approaches. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
When one doesn't work, the other can take over. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Just going round in circles, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
so that's why I gave the phone to Mike - good cop, bad cop. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
And Mike obviously upped the ante a bit more. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
I've just told him he's got 30 minutes to make payment in full | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and if we don't, we'll just get a locksmith out to gain entry, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
or I'll go and speak to the ladies downstairs | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
and see if we can get a key off of them. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
But before Mike goes key hunting, Mr Pem rings back | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
with the news they were waiting for. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Apparently, he's done it. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
28 minutes and 35 seconds. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
Payment in full! | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
A quick call to the office confirms the payment has gone through. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
That's the one, thank you very much. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
-Payment in full, Mike. -Bo! | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
Thanks to Billy and Mike, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
the laundry company will now get the money it's owed. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 |