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Hello and welcome to Watchdog Daily. We are with you live for the next

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45 minutes, taking on the companies big and small whose service, value

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and promises don't always measure up. This morning: Vodafone, Orange,

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T-Mobile - changing their mobile tariffs and failing to warn their

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customers. Have you added up all the extra

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charges you are paying for? The price tag looks cheap but don't be

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tempted. This is a problem product. Anybody using this is going to put

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themselves at risk of electrocution. First, mobile phones. Vodafone,

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Three, T-Mobile and Orange have all angered customers by raising the

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cost of tariffs that people were told were fixed but clauses in the

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smallprint of their contracts allow them to do this. Now the industry

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regulator is investigating to see whether they are treating customers

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fairly. So while we wait for the results, we carried out an

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investigation of our own. There are more than 80 million

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mobiles throughout the UK. Half of which are on contracts lasting up

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to 24 months. These contracts are often fixed which means customers

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can't cancel without paying a penalty. The companies can do

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almost anything they like. smallprint allows most of the

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companies to put the charges up or down, not just by inflation. Some

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of them do limit to inflation. There is wide freedom to alter

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those charges. Once you agree to those terms and conditions, you

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can't cancel without some penalty. In fact, all providers, apart from

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O2, have increased pay monthly tariffs for customers on fixed

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contracts in the last year. This woman signed up to a 24-month

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contract with Vodafone in 2011. 14 months into it, Vodafone put up the

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price. On 27th September I got a text from Vodafone advising me that

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the line rental would be increasing monthly from 1st November. I was

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surprised to have that. I presumed I was in a fixed-rate contract for

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the 24-month period. I know I can't break the contracts. I went on to

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the web and I had a look at how much it was going to go up. It was

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only 60p, but it is not about the money, it is about the fact they

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are putting the price up. I can't do anything about that. She was one

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of ten million Vodafone customers to receive such a text. Some just a

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month after taking out long-term supposedly fixed contracts. The

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company says they are allowed to do this as it is in the terms and

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conditions. Are these conditions always spelled out to customers?

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feel angry. No-one said to me, "Do you realise any time within this

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contract period, we can put the price up providing it is only

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within a specific range?" None of that was mentioned. At no stage did

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anybody say, "You need to refer to our terms and conditions." If the

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company has the right to change the price and there is no policy in

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place that they are not going to use that right, the customer should

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be told a price is fixed but it might go up. If that is left out,

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it is misleading. Just as most providers have been increasing

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prices, we have been hearing about them reducing benefits. These

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companies often use incentives or add-ons to persuade new customers

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to sign up or existing ones to stay loyal. Now, these incentives can

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range from free broadband to text message bundles. If you are tempted,

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beware. Just because they offer them at the start of the contract

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doesn't mean they will be available all the way through. David

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McWilliam is a cruise ship pianist, a job that takes him abroad for

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weeks at a time. So when he was shopping around for a mobile

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contract, Vodafone's data traveller package was the clincher. I signed

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up to Vodafone for the data traveller product which meant that

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for �10 a month while abroad I could keep in touch with home,

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through e-mails, contact family. I teach piano in the UK as well so it

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means I can - pupils may need to contact me. Just one month after

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David took out his 12-month contract, Vodafone removed the

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package. Now they have a product called Euro Traveller. For �3 a day

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you get access to your home price plan. The package now includes

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calls and texts but for David, it works out more expensive because

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the �10 he previously paid for a whole month of internet use now

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buys him four days. Because I'm away a lot, what used to cost me

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�10 a month now comes to �90 a month. Had I known, I don't think I

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would have signed up with Vodafone. There were lots of other providers

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offering equivalent UK minutes, some even better amount of UK

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minutes and a larger amount of data. Meanwhile, Orange pressed ahead

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with plans to withdraw its free broadband offer.

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Some were told that would be the case for life, but in August they

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were informed their broadband could only continue if they signed up to

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an Orange landline rental. The deal is �14 a month. I

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currently pay �9.19 for my line rental. And if I don't sign up with

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that, they will cut me off. Richard was nine months into a 24-month

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contract when the change was announced. He is adamant he wasn't

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warned this might happen when he renewed his contract. I checked

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with the sales person in the shop that the Orange broadband was still

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included in the offer to which he said, "Yes, your broadband won't be

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affected if you sign up now." I would not have signed the contract

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with Orange if I had not got the broadband deal. The companies have

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argued that their terms and conditions allow them to change

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fixed charges or remove incentives. Shouldn't they warn customers that

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they have this power before signing them up? For a consumer who signs

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up and the questions they are asking, it clearly indicates they

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are signing up because of that service. Rani is here. What do the

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companies say? Firstly, Orange told us free broadband for life wasn't a

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term used to promote its free broadband offer. It is looking into

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the circumstances surrounding the screen-grab image shown in our film.

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It says it still offers free home blord band to customers, but they

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are -- broadband to customers, but they are now required to switch to

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Orange home rental. As for Vodafone, it says the Data Traveller Price

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Plan that David McWilliams signed up for wasn't suitable for

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customers. However, the old plan is still available for people

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travelling outside of Europe. the companies' smallprint may allow

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them to change the terms of your contracts, but they should tell you

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they have the right to do that when you sign up. Are they doing so?

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That is a question for our Mystery Over the course of one day, we sent

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our undercover team to two branches of five leading mobile phone

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providers. Posing as potential customers, they enquired about the

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cost of a 24-month fixed tariff pay monthly contract. But the crucial

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question was this. It stays the same for 24 months. How did they

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respond? O2. They might not have increased their tariffs recently,

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but would they tell us they had the power to do so. This assistant told

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us a drop in VAT might lead to a decrease in monthly charges. We

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weren't warned about the contract clause stating that O2 reserved the

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right to increase those charges at any time. In a second branch, we

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were assured the price would remain fixed. Is that going to be the same

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for 24 months? It is the same. both branches, the staff gave no

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indication the company would change the price even though it is able to.

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Did T-Mobile do any better? Is that going to stay the same?

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necessarily. A similar clause also states that the price per month can

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go up at any time. This first branch didn't mention it and the

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second one didn't either. Would that stay at �26 a month? Next

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Three? The �29 a month one, does that stay at �29 a month for 24

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months does it? Yes. When we visited two branches of Orange, it

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was the same story. And so finally to Vodafone. Remember, they had

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just increased their prices. So surely they would tell us what

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their smallprint allows us to do? How long is the contract? 24 months.

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Is that �29 month the same for 24 months? If you stay on the same

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tariff. Both branches failed to refer us to the key contract clause

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despite us asking the question. Ten branches all failing to give us

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sufficient information. If a customer goes in and says they want

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to sign up on the basis of a fixed price contract, not to be told that

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the term can be altered and leaving the customer with the impression

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the price will be fixed is missing out a material piece of information

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and that is a breach of the consumer protection legislation.

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The reporters were told the price would stay the same. They were

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specifically not told the price could or would be raised. If the

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prices were then raised, that is misleading. As well as being able

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to raise prices, the companies have the power to remove those add-ons

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that they use to tempt us into buying contracts. But you guessed

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it. They didn't tell us about this either. Not one of them. For a

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consumer who signs up and the questions they are asking are

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clearly indicating they are signing up because of that service, not to

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be the service can be taken away is is a breach of consumer legislation

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because you are missing out an important piece of information. The

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fact that you have got ten cases where there's incomplete

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information being given seems to be evidence of some sort of systematic

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problem. That is something Trading Standards might want to look at. It

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is something Ofcom might want to look at as well. Ofcom is also

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investigating whether the mobile companies are treating customers

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fairly. EE, which represents Orange and T-Mobile, told us it looks

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forward to working with them. It adds that it is working to improve

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transparency for customers at the point-of-sale. As does Vodafone and

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Three which says it welcomes Ofcom's efforts to give consumers

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greater clarity about what price changes are acceptable.

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As for the recent price rises, Vodafone says it is to cover rising

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business costs and it always gives customers notice. Three says it is

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the first price rise in nine years and is in line with inflation.

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Finally, O2. It says it hasn't increased any monthly contract

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prices in mid-term. That might explain why the topic wasn't front

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of mind for the staff we spoke to. It's sorry we weren't given the

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information in the two O2 stores we visited and it will be reminding

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stores that prices and additional services can always be subject to

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change. If you would like to comment on this, we would love to

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hear from you. Our address is Watchdog Daily. To text us it is

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our address and hashtag are on your screens now.

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Now, if you were watching yesterday, you will have seen our report about

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food product packaging. The viewer who complained about the amount of

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Wheat Crunchies she found in this pack. Now, at the end of the report,

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we mistakenly named the manufacturer of Wheat Crunchies as

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Dairy Crest. We would like to point out that the snack is in fact made

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by United Biscuits. Last week, we saw the Consumer Cops

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clamping down on the sale of fake designer goods. Today, we join

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their colleagues in Cardiff. Here is Rhodri Owen.

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Yes, we are talking about counterfeit cosmetics, fake medical

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products and dodgy electrical goods. It is a booming industry but one

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that is rife with dangers. Ensuring that all the goods on sale are

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legitimate and safe is a massive task for teams in Cardiff and in

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Bristol. We have on the frontline to see how they are tackling the

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problem head-on. It is.30am in Cardiff. In this city, there are

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some 11,000 businesses selling to the public. Today, Trading

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Standards officers have one of them in their sights. A company trading

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electrical goods over the internet. Are they breaching the trademark?

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Yes. We will have a list of what we are going to take and what we are

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going to leave. Sarah Smith began the investigation weeks ago. It

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started with a tip-off from colleagues in Devon that a retailer

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on their patch might be selling fake or dangerous products. Today

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we are looking at the more unusual products which are electronic dance

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mats that go with game consoles and travel adapters. Officers have

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already bought goods from the trader that can be sent off for

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analysis. This has established they are fake or potentially dangerous,

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like this dance mat. One of the test reports - this is for a games

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console dance mat. It goes into whether the wiring is OK, whether

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there is any potential electric shock hazards, which is one of the

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problems identified with this product. With consumers at possible

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risk, the investigation takes on a new urgency. The officers head to

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the trader's warehouse to confiscate his stock. The only

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information we have currently is that we know he imports items

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directly from China and then proceeds to sell them on eBay. The

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public are potentially in danger which is why when we have found out

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the test results, we want to ensure the integrity of the supply chain.

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One of the things we will be looking to do is get a product

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recall in place for any of these products that may have been sold

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over eBay. Across the Severn a similar operation is unfolding.

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Police and Trading Standards officers have been tracking another

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suspect trader in Bristol. Today, they are ready to act. We have

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received some intelligence from the British music industry regarding

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illegal copies of DVD. We have a warrant that we will hand over to

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the persons at that address. If there is any need for an arrest, we

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will make the call to the police officers. The Trading Standards

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team believe the suspect is running an illegal DVD copying operation

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from his home address. We have gone through a few meetings with the

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police to assess the risks because we don't know whether he is a

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violent person, we don't know what sort of person we are going to meet.

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If we knock at the door, he is not answering, and we suspect there is

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somebody in the premises, the police have the power to bash the

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door. With police back-up in place, she serves the warrant. I'm a

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Trading Standards officer with Bristol City Council. We are here

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to inspect your premises. We have had some intelligence about films

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and DVDs. Although the suspect isn't at home, his wife lets them

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in without objection. And once inside, she and her team realise

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they have uncovered a major counterfeiting operation. 4,000

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discs containing music, movies and games. All illegally copied and all

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stored in one living room. Later, our cameras follow the Consumer

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Cops as they confront the owner of all those goods. Before that, has

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your council tax been frozen this year? Chances are it has as

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hundreds of local authorities have kept council tax unchanged, some

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for the third year running. That doesn't necessarily mean you are

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better off. Many of them have been clawing money back by racking up

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their fees on everything from parking, to school dinners, to the

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cost of burial plots. As authorities find ever-increasing

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ways to make up for lost income, we ask how much is your council

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actually costing you? Did you know nearly one in five councils has got

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rid of its pest control service? And that some of those who do still

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provide one now charge more for it? Yes, if you are in Gloucester and

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you have a rat problem, calling out the council's pest controllers will

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set you back �40 for the first visit when it used to be free. What

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about the fact that nearly a third of all councils now charge for

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collecting green waste including Wokingham in Berkshire, one of the

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latest to start asking you to pay? The cost there, �60 a year. As for

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you drivers, some councils have raised their parking charges by as

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much as 400%. Well, there might be a good reason for that. Councils

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are not going to be putting up posters in front of town halls,

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saying they are putting charges up. They are not going to want to do

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that. But I think people will notice the charges. At least we can

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choose whether to drive or call out pest control. But some other

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increased charges are harder to avoid, like those for social care

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services, such as Meals on Wheels and transport to day-care centres.

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So why are we having to put up with it? The Government is holding down

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council tax so it can only go up by typically 1-2% a year at most. The

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Government is also cutting the grants that it gives to councils

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substantially so with those two major income sources frozen or

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falling, then either councils have to cut services, or they will need

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to put up the fees and charges where they can. In Sefton another

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charge could be about to rise significantly. The council is due

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to vote on whether to increase the cost of burials and cremations by

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more than 20%. That means from next April, it could cost the bereaved

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�900 to buy a plot from the council. I feel it's just disgraceful that

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Sefton are targeting bereaved families. Some parts of my local

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area, there are people who are particularly finding it difficult

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to cope with the day-to-day living costs. They can't plan for a

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funeral. The fees went up by a large percentage last year as well.

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I don't think it is appropriate. The bereavement services from

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Sefton Council should be a service, not a profit-making business.

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Government has cut its grants to local authorities and wants council

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tax freezes to continue. It says councils should save money through

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greater efficiency. But if they don't manage to do that, it looks

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like the public will have to continue making up the financial

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shortfall with even more increased charges. Joining me now is the

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councillor from the Local Government Association. Is that

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what is going to happen? Residents will have to make up this shortfall

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for years to come? It is for local councils to make local choices.

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They know best what they need to do to balance their budgets. It is a

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mixture of raising revenue and reducing costs and councils are

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doing that. A lot of the services being hit are essential services -

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Meals on Wheels, things that people can't do without? Councils have to

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provide many services, safeguarding children, filling in potholes for

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instance. There is a choice. The Government have reduced funding to

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local governments by 20 to 28%. We are freezing council tax. And there

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is local choices on how you balance the books. Is it fair that some of

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these services - essential ones - things that people can't do without

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- the elderly, people who are least able to pay, they are being hit,

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the cost of a meal going up by �1.50. It is a lot? I think it is

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important to point out these meals are still subsidised. Some councils

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are cutting those subsidies? Absolutely. They are not making

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profits out of these services. They are taking choices on how much

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subsidy they can put to certain services and then invest in others.

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It is about a balance locally. Local councils know best what works

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for their area. They put the choices to the electorate. It is

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turning into a postcode lottery, isn't it? You call it postcode

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lottery. Localism in action, local councils taking the decisions. Yes,

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they are tough decisions. But decisions locally which they think

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will be best for their communities. Make more efficiencies. Is that not

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possible to save people all this extra cost? Absolutely. Councils

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are doing it. Already, we have saved - councils have saved �1.4

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billion in staff costs across-the- board. You can only go so far with

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efficiencies without cutting services. It is people who provide

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services. They are the main cost for councils. If you haven't got

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people, you haven't got a service. Thank you.

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Let's see what the councils mentioned in our report have to say

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about those price hikes. Thank you. Gloucester City Council

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told us its pest control charges are the result of having to

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introduce significant cuts. Over the past three years, it's had to

:24:02.:24:07.

achieve �6 million worth of savings and further reductions are

:24:07.:24:11.

anticipated next year. As for Wokingham, it told us it is the

:24:11.:24:15.

worst funded local authority in England. It says a large majority

:24:15.:24:18.

of residents support its green ways collection scheme which has enabled

:24:18.:24:24.

it to maintain essential services. Finally, Sefton Council says the

:24:24.:24:27.

increase in cremation costs will be discussed tomorrow. No decisions

:24:27.:24:34.

have been made, but to balance next year's budget it must find �43.7

:24:34.:24:39.

million on top of �64 million already saved. It says it offers a

:24:39.:24:42.

valuable and supportive service to bereaved families and that

:24:42.:24:47.

cremation and burial fees make up only a small percentage of the

:24:47.:24:51.

average funeral cost. Earlier, we featured two undercover

:24:51.:24:55.

operations both designed to seize counterfeit goods being sold over

:24:55.:24:58.

the internet. Consumer Cops in Cardiff are on the trail of

:24:58.:25:02.

dangerous electrical products and in Bristol, they have uncovered a

:25:02.:25:06.

treasure-trove of fake films, music and games with a street value

:25:07.:25:12.

totalling more than �30,000 and the officers are about to confront the

:25:12.:25:16.

trader. Let's join Rhodri again. The trader

:25:16.:25:19.

wasn't around when the officers entered his home. As they started

:25:20.:25:29.
:25:30.:25:33.

removing the confiscated goods, he makes an appearance. No comment.

:25:34.:25:37.

Although initially untalkative, the trader soon begins giving the team

:25:37.:25:42.

information they are looking for. He seems to have admitted the fact

:25:42.:25:49.

that we have sort of caught him out. And he's told us where the other

:25:49.:25:54.

copies, illegal copies are stored in the loft. I think this is just

:25:54.:26:00.

about a quarter of what we think we have got in there. This is one

:26:00.:26:05.

section, one wall. We have got four walls and the middle bits as well!

:26:05.:26:15.
:26:15.:26:15.

These are films, X borks, Wi, games, -- Xbox, Wi, games. We also have a

:26:15.:26:21.

couple of monitors. We have DVD writers. There are still a hold lot

:26:21.:26:30.

of other copies in there. So yeah, it will take some time. In fact, it

:26:30.:26:34.

takes five hours with officers having to send for more cars in

:26:34.:26:39.

which to fit the sheer volume of counterfeits. Some 4,500 products

:26:39.:26:45.

in all. We have a van, don't we, an office van? We are trying the

:26:45.:26:49.

organise that. Following this operation, the dealer has been

:26:49.:26:52.

invited in for an interview and investigations are still ongoing.

:26:52.:26:58.

It was one of Colette's biggest counterfeit seizures. You expect a

:26:58.:27:02.

domestic premises to have probably a computer, DVD writer, which you

:27:02.:27:11.

have to take away. To see this many copies ready and we have got

:27:11.:27:14.

evidence of him having put an address, the different customers

:27:14.:27:19.

that are waiting for these discs, which we have also seized. There's

:27:19.:27:22.

a lot of people don't know that Trading Standards are concerned

:27:22.:27:27.

about things like this that are going on and it is to protect the

:27:27.:27:32.

community. I think it does send out a message that we are out there and

:27:32.:27:37.

we will find you. Back in Cardiff, the Trading Standards team are on

:27:37.:27:40.

their way to a warehouse they believe contains fake and dangerous

:27:41.:27:45.

goods. As they arrive, the trader is there to meet them. We have had

:27:45.:27:51.

the results back now. Unfortunately, they fail the relevant safety tests.

:27:51.:27:57.

All of them? I wanted to go through that with you. Before I run this

:27:57.:28:04.

business, I called Trading Standards. I asked my staff...

:28:04.:28:07.

owner seems to think the officers are there to provide free business

:28:08.:28:11.

advice. That is not their immediate concern. We can certainly help you

:28:11.:28:17.

with that. What we have to sort out today, we are aware now that some

:28:17.:28:21.

products that we sampled from you have failed safety tests. That is

:28:21.:28:26.

the priority number one. Today, is about resolving this situation.

:28:26.:28:32.

About potentially unsafe products. OK. Upstairs, they see the scale of

:28:32.:28:36.

the trader's operation. The warehouse contains the dangerous

:28:36.:28:41.

dance mats and adapters as well as other branded products the officers

:28:41.:28:47.

think might be fake. I believe this will breach trademarks in terms of

:28:47.:28:53.

Nintendo and Wii. These six or seven items, I will be taking as

:28:53.:29:02.

well today. Where have these come from? This one I think I bought

:29:02.:29:06.

from... I'm worried that this is breaching Microsoft again. We will

:29:06.:29:12.

also test this as well for safety. Despite the findings, the owner

:29:12.:29:16.

protests his innocence claiming that much of his stock has been

:29:16.:29:23.

inherited. I don't know what's wrong about me, because I just take

:29:23.:29:28.

this business from other people a few months ago. I want to make

:29:28.:29:32.

everything OK, but I still have problems. It is hard for me to

:29:32.:29:36.

understand what is wrong. By the end of the day, the officers

:29:36.:29:43.

have seized 600 items. But this operation is not over yet.

:29:43.:29:46.

owner was co-operative and helpful with us. He identified to us where

:29:46.:29:52.

the stock was. He got it out so we could process it and bag it and

:29:52.:29:55.

remove it. I think it's been very successful. We have come here and

:29:55.:29:59.

achieved what we wanted to do. We have removed the unsafe products

:29:59.:30:04.

from the market and we will do further checks. We will find out

:30:04.:30:09.

what happens later. Now an update on Monday's story about Persimmon

:30:09.:30:13.

Homes. Lots of new homebuyers have been in touch but we have heard

:30:13.:30:17.

from a group of owners all from one particular estate in Sussex. For

:30:18.:30:21.

years, they have been battling to get a water feature fixed. The

:30:21.:30:26.

delay has been bad enough, but now Persimmon wants them to pay.

:30:26.:30:30.

This is the water feature the residents were expecting. The most

:30:30.:30:37.

fantastic water feature of its kind. This is the one they got. It is

:30:38.:30:43.

just not good enough. I have lived here since 2004. This water feature

:30:43.:30:51.

has no water in it! This is rain water. It is an eyesore. It looks

:30:51.:30:56.

like this for most of the year. When it is up and running, it lasts

:30:56.:31:00.

for a month and the lights blow. The fountains stop working. To

:31:00.:31:05.

change the lights, you have to drain the water down. It goes on

:31:05.:31:11.

and on. The residents all have to look at this. When the homes were

:31:11.:31:17.

built in 2002, the residents agreed to sign up to a yearly service

:31:17.:31:21.

charge for the fountain. Due to some maintenance issues, they were

:31:21.:31:26.

never asked to pay. In 2006, Persimmon took over the development.

:31:26.:31:31.

Six years on, they say it is time for the residents to start shelling

:31:31.:31:36.

out. We are happy to pay. We all bought our houses knowing that. We

:31:36.:31:41.

want to pay for a water feature that has water in it and works for

:31:41.:31:46.

a period of time. We all bought in to a water feature that was

:31:46.:31:52.

supposed to enhance our property and our living here. This doesn't

:31:52.:31:58.

do that. Persimmon have given all 369 homeowners a deadline to sign a

:31:58.:32:01.

new agreement. And take over responsibility for the feature.

:32:01.:32:05.

With so many problems, they have been unable to say exactly how much

:32:05.:32:10.

it will cost to fix the fountain and keep it running. We think it is

:32:10.:32:14.

grossly unfair, the situation they are putting us into. We would have

:32:14.:32:19.

expected from a developer of that size to have a moral obligation to

:32:19.:32:23.

hand something over to the residents that was functioning,

:32:23.:32:28.

looked nice, that worked. And to ask us to take responsibility for

:32:28.:32:33.

and to pay for, this as it is now, it is shocking. Well Persimmon say

:32:33.:32:37.

that apart from occasional drainage, their records show the water

:32:37.:32:41.

feature had been in continuous use until the end of last year. A leak

:32:41.:32:45.

meant that it had to be drained for repair work. It wasn't refilled

:32:45.:32:50.

because of a local water ban. And the need for further maintenance.

:32:50.:32:53.

Persimmon say they have agreed to deposit funds for the recoating.

:32:53.:32:59.

They say they provided residents with certified accounts for the

:32:59.:33:03.

period of March 2011 to April 2012. They have undertaken an independent

:33:03.:33:07.

survey of the feature and say it will be in working order before

:33:07.:33:11.

being passed to residents' control. In the weeks leading up to

:33:11.:33:14.

Christmas, many shoppers will be tempted to sign up for storecards,

:33:14.:33:19.

especially those offering discounts on presents you may be buying. But

:33:20.:33:24.

beware. The cost of using one of these cards could wipe out any of

:33:24.:33:34.
:33:34.:33:44.

your initial findings. Let's hear Storecards. Also available online.

:33:44.:33:50.

They work a bit like a credit card. But can come with added extras such

:33:50.:33:55.

as 10% off your shop, or a voucher to spend, or invitations to special

:33:55.:34:00.

events in the store. What's the catch? Well, just like a credit

:34:00.:34:10.
:34:10.:34:11.

card, you are charged interest. What is known as the APR. It is an

:34:11.:34:18.

interest rate thing. Annual something repayment. I don't know.

:34:18.:34:23.

Percentage repayment? Annual Percentage Rate. Yes, APR stands

:34:23.:34:26.

for Annual Percentage Rate. It essentially indicates the price at

:34:26.:34:30.

which you can borrow money and allows you to compare the true cost

:34:30.:34:38.

of different forms of credit. For a typical storecard, the APR might be

:34:38.:34:42.

29.9%. Compare that to a typical credit card rate of 17% and it is

:34:42.:34:48.

almost double so using a storecard could prove an expensive way of

:34:48.:34:52.

shopping. How much more expensive? Let's do the maths. If I were to

:34:53.:34:58.

buy this outfit straightaway, with cash or a debit card, it would cost

:34:58.:35:02.

me �200, the price on the label. But perhaps I would be offered a

:35:02.:35:07.

storecard with various incentives, maybe I could get a discount of 10%.

:35:07.:35:15.

10% is �20. So with that discount I could obtain this for �180. A nice

:35:15.:35:19.

saving. The problem is I now have to start paying it back. This is

:35:19.:35:24.

where it could get expensive. The first month's interest is almost �4.

:35:24.:35:28.

If I make the minimum payment each month, and in the first month I

:35:28.:35:37.

have to pay off only �5.77. But continuing to make the minimum

:35:37.:35:39.

payment, it will take me five-and- a-half years to clear everything

:35:39.:35:46.

because of the monthly added interest and in total, I would pay

:35:46.:35:52.

�345. That is �145 more than the original cash price of �200. It

:35:52.:35:56.

doesn't take long to wipe out any special deals of discounts you

:35:56.:36:04.

might get when you sign up for a storecard. There is a way to beat

:36:04.:36:06.

interest rates and use the storecards to your advantage.

:36:06.:36:11.

Suppose you get a 10% discount on a cash price of �200 and pay it off

:36:11.:36:17.

in equal instalments each month. If you pay it off in eight months or

:36:17.:36:21.

less, then you will pay less than �200. If you spread it over nine

:36:21.:36:26.

months or more, you will pay more than the cash price of �200. And

:36:26.:36:32.

the longer you spread it, the more it costs. Of course, each retailer

:36:32.:36:36.

may offer a different discount so it is always worth checking the

:36:36.:36:40.

smallprint. If no discount is offered, and you don't pay off the

:36:40.:36:44.

full amount each month, just like with the credit card, then you will

:36:44.:36:50.

end up paying more. Dr John Haigh. He knows his stuff.

:36:50.:36:54.

If you want more information on comparing interest rates between

:36:54.:37:02.

different types of credit cards, visit bbc.co.uk/watchdog. Now, it

:37:02.:37:10.

is time for today's last visit to South Wales. We followed the

:37:10.:37:16.

Consumer Cops. Those goods were not only fake, but they were also

:37:16.:37:20.

dangerous. How much of a risk did they pose to unsuspecting buyers?

:37:21.:37:25.

Here is Rhodri. The officers in Cardiff confiscated

:37:25.:37:31.

600 items from this warehouse. But it was certain electrical goods,

:37:31.:37:38.

like this fake PS3 charger that gave the most cause for concern.

:37:38.:37:42.

This is a typical product that we have seized. It is a two-pin flat

:37:42.:37:49.

plug and not a conventional UK plug. If someone tried to force that in,

:37:49.:37:55.

it could have repercussions for electrical shock and injury.

:37:55.:38:01.

PS3 charger is sent to this lab for thorough safety tests along with a

:38:01.:38:10.

fake PSP adapter and Xbox slim adapter. We are looking for

:38:10.:38:14.

protection against electric shocks. This is protecting users and people

:38:14.:38:20.

that come into contact with this to make sure they remain safe.

:38:20.:38:25.

Compliance Service Manager Richard begins by carrying out an

:38:25.:38:28.

electrical strength test. We will use these two probes here. On our

:38:28.:38:38.
:38:38.:38:43.

screen, it will tell us the applied voltage and the leakage current.

:38:43.:38:53.
:38:53.:38:55.

The first test is on a counterfeit X borks 360 -- Xbox 360 slim

:38:55.:38:59.

adapter. We have a genuine test failure. Once the adapter is taken

:38:59.:39:03.

apart, more problems become apparent. Like this one with a

:39:03.:39:08.

circuit board. It is difficult to say whether there would be an

:39:08.:39:11.

electrocution risk with this. The design is not in accordance with

:39:11.:39:18.

the standard. It is very deficient. I wouldn't want to be using this.

:39:18.:39:24.

The next product to be tested is a counterfeit PSP adapter. We have a

:39:24.:39:32.

leakage current well above two. We have a failed condition on there.

:39:32.:39:37.

There may be some insulation problems inside. The conclusion is

:39:37.:39:41.

alarming when he does examine the interior. This is a problem product.

:39:41.:39:45.

There is insufficient isolation in the transformer, there is

:39:45.:39:49.

insufficient design on the circuit board. Anybody using this will put

:39:49.:39:56.

themselves at an increased risk of electrocution. He also went on to

:39:56.:40:03.

test a fake charger. It meant all three products failed their safety

:40:03.:40:08.

tests. The fact that they are on the market is a particular worry

:40:08.:40:13.

for us. The other worry is the enforcement authorities do a

:40:13.:40:16.

fantastic job, but this could be the tip of the iceberg. Nobody

:40:17.:40:20.

should be subjected to a risk of electrocution when they go to use a

:40:20.:40:26.

product like this. You should be able to use it safely. Joining me

:40:26.:40:33.

now is Sarah Smith from Cardiff Trading Standards. The risk of

:40:33.:40:38.

electrocution is terrifying. Is there an update on the trader

:40:38.:40:42.

selling the goods we just saw? are awaiting a bit more information.

:40:42.:40:47.

What we want to know is perhaps how widespread the supply of any of

:40:47.:40:51.

those products have gone and that may have a bearing on the decision

:40:51.:40:56.

we then choose to take with him in terms of enforcement action.

:40:56.:40:59.

must stress the products we are talking about are counterfeit. We

:40:59.:41:02.

are not talking about those produced by legitimate

:41:02.:41:07.

manufacturers and sold by reputable shops or on reputable websites?

:41:07.:41:12.

That is quite correct. Quite often, these products come in from abroad

:41:12.:41:19.

and outside of Europe. And they generally tend to be counterfeit

:41:19.:41:23.

products taken off more well nen brands. What is the -- Well-known

:41:23.:41:28.

brands. What is the best way for consumers to know they are buying

:41:28.:41:32.

legitimate goods? Look at where it is coming from. That will perhaps

:41:32.:41:36.

be more of an indication that it might not comply with UK or

:41:36.:41:41.

European legislation. The price as well. When they are cheap, that is

:41:41.:41:48.

an indication that they might not be that safe. Other things - look

:41:48.:41:52.

at the packaging, look at the language that is on there. There

:41:52.:41:55.

are some really good examples here that would perhaps tell you it

:41:56.:42:02.

might not be up to scratch. This one here says "attention, do not

:42:02.:42:09.

place adapter into hot, humid or under straight sunshine" -

:42:09.:42:12.

meaningless and there are spelling mistakes as well. That will give

:42:12.:42:17.

you a good idea that it is not all that it seems to be. Thank you very

:42:17.:42:19.

much. Be careful what you buy. Lots of

:42:20.:42:27.

talking points today. Which of our stories has got you going?

:42:27.:42:30.

It is the one about mobile companies raising tariffs for

:42:30.:42:34.

people on fixed contracts. Now, Laura says, "I can't believe these

:42:34.:42:39.

companies with increase their charges when it suits them. I was

:42:39.:42:42.

not notified beforehand." Brad says, "Raising charges without warning

:42:42.:42:49.

customers when they sign up should be illegal." Peter, "If your

:42:49.:42:54.

contract is altered, you should be able to cancel without charge."

:42:54.:42:57.

Lots of you also unhappy about councils raising their charges as

:42:57.:43:00.

well. Thank you so much. More tomorrow.

:43:00.:43:08.

That is all we have time for today. Tomorrow, buying from John Lewis,

:43:08.:43:15.

Curry's or Argos, you better know your rights as those stores don't.

:43:15.:43:19.

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