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They DVLA, you cannot win. The Xbox, you cannot play. Tesco, it can't | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
count. Plus Aviva, Ryanair, Barclays and Love Film? You will | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
not like their sales matters. It is Watchdog, the programme you cannot | :00:20. | :00:30. | |
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Hello, good evening, welcome to Watchdog live as usual from | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
Television Centre. Tonight, the DVLA threatening drivers with | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
penalties and bailiffs. Want to appeal? You will be looking. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
expression was, I'm sorry, we have given you a fixed penalty, pay up | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
or else. I felt as if I had been ripped off. Also, Microsoft says it | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
is infallible, so why is it making a pig's ear of the Xbox Live | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
service? Motorola claims this smartphone is life-proof. Tell that | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
to owners whose handsets have smashed. And Love Film are signing | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
you up to move the rental deals, they need to change the script. | :01:23. | :01:31. | |
Here is a film I love, Royal Navy. It has a great influence on my work. | :01:31. | :01:41. | |
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If you do try to convince people that pipes are full of scales, | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
don't be surprised if you find some down there along with fines and | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
bills. We are swimming with the big fish tonight, First Active Drainage | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
Limited. We have put the bait on the hook, will they buy it? | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
First, the DVLA issuing penalties, threatening drivers are bailiffs. | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
Fine if they have broken the rules, what if they haven't? Last year we | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
showed how the DVLA tried to prosecute motorists to get their | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
cars off the road even when the owners had sent the correct | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
paperwork to skip road tax. They hoped a court ruling would change | :02:22. | :02:30. | |
things. It hasn't. This is a statutory off-road notice | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
that drivers must send to the DVLA if they are not planning to use | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
their vehicles after their annual road tax is due. Trouble is, when | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
some drivers send it off, they still get into trouble. They wrote | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
back basically and said, no, you are guilty of not checking up to | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
see that we had your copy, and you are fined �80. If the DVLA does not | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
acknowledge receipt of the form, they insist it is your | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
responsibility to contact them and chase it up, even if it is the DVLA | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
who have lost it. Madness, according to this motor cyclist. | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
told them I had sent it on time, I sent it in August, but they did not | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
believe me. They basically called me a liar. The DVLA threatened | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
Duncan with a penalty and he said he would see them in court, where a | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
judge ruled he was in the right. He said the DVLA had no statutory | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
power requiring anyone to contact them should they not receive an | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
acknowledgement letter. So, if a judge has declared it is not your | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
responsibility to chase up the DVLA for its own mistakes, why are we | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
still getting complaints? Put simply, the DVLA has ignored the | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
judge's comments. In response to a Watchdog Freedom of Information | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
request they told us they have issued over three-quarters of a | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
million late licence penalties since April last year. Asked if | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
they had changed any procedures in light of the Duncan judgment, the | :04:04. | :04:12. | |
answer was short, no. The trouble with Duncan's case was it was | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
decided in the county court. They do not set any precedent. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Presumably the DVLA believe that because the law has not changed, | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
they should not change procedure. The issue is that procedure was | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
wrong in the first phase was stopped despite that, the DVLA | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
continues to pursue drivers with figure and was recently given new | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
powers to chase them for unpaid insurance as well as tax. Should it | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
take on this responsibility before it as a iron out problems with its | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
existing role? -- before it has ironed out problems. This man sent | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
out his form last year but seven months later received an 80 pound | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
penalty. I felt I had no option but to pay it, with a threatening | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
letter from the bailiff company stating that if I did not pay the | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
�80, all that would happen is the cost would increase. Paul is | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
adamant he did nothing wrong. If the form was lost, he says it is | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
the DVLA's fault. But, like many drivers, he found it is a case of | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
his word against theirs. Has anything changed since we last | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
reported on this? The DVLA did promise Watchdog that they would | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
start sending out additional reminders to give motorists further | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
opportunity to avoid penalties. That, at least, should have helped. | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
But not according to Stephen, who received his first reminder last | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
October. I decided to be a fair weather motor cyclist, so I | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
declared it off road and put my motorcycle away and thought it was | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
done and dusted. Three months later, the DVLA wrote again. Not with a | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
second reminder, but and 80 pound penalty for not sending his form. | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
knew what I had posted it. I categorically, 100% sent it. I got, | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
it has got to be a mistake. It has got to be a mistake. The DVLA | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
offered Stephen the chance to appeal. He did but without success. | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
The expression was, I'm sorry, we have given you a fixed penalty, | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
paid up or else. I felt as if I had been ripped off. The DVLA to have a | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
procedure to deal with such disputes. Anyone unhappy with their | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
penalty notices may have their appeal heard by an independent | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
complaints assessor. But who decides whether the complaint | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
should be referred to them? None other than the chief executive of | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
the DVLA. DVLA complaints procedure seems to lack any transparency | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
whatsoever. The steps are laid out on the website, so far, so good, | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
but it is not clear as to what they investigate at each stage. If you | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
are lucky enough to have had the chief executive look at your | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
complaint, the answer is still, by and large, no, you are in the wrong | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
and the DVLA are the judge, jury, they are even the executioner. | :07:13. | :07:20. | |
DVLA have told us that since July 2010 they have received 2224 | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
complaints from drivers who have had issues taxing or declaring | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
their cars off road. 42 of those people ask for their case to be | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
referred to the independent complaints assessor. How many did | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
they pass on? Just nine. Less than a quarter. John Williams had his | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
appeal heard by the independent complaints assessor. I felt quite | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
resolute in the way I was dealing with things, and I felt, maybe | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
naively, that if you have not done anything wrong than the outcome | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
will be in your favour. But any hope that the assessor would find | :07:57. | :08:04. | |
in his favour was misplaced. He sided with the DVLA. | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
Independent Complaints SSS sounds great, a guide that will get to | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
grips with it and sort it out, but his hands are tied. He can only | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
look at administration, unreasonable delays. He cannot look | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
at policy, a cannot investigate whether my form arrived or not. | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
assessor did criticise the DVLA's procedures and recommended John's | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
penalty should be dropped. letter I then had from the DVLA was | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
extremely insulting, effectively saying, we have not done anything | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
wrong, but more because of what they have said, we will let you off | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
on this occasion, but if you do it again we will have you next time. | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
Court judgments going against them and numerous law-abiding motorists | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
being penalised. Surely now the DVLA must listen and change the | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
system? Victoria Derbyshire reporting. With | :08:59. | :09:08. | |
me now, David Evans from the DVLA. You are still using male? -- and | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
losing mail. The law on taxing your vehicle is clear, you have to tax | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
it or declare it off the road. 4 million people a year managed to | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
tell us they have sold a vehicle, 80% online, without problem. It is | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
the best way to do it. And you are still forgetting to remind people? | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
Week issue 34 million reminders to people in the months leading up to | :09:32. | :09:39. | |
when they have to tax. But you have forgotten? No, after the event we | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
issued 4.000.002nd reminders since the gk -- chief executive sat here. | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
Let's not run away with figures. Supposing you have told the DVLA | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
that your car is coming off-road, sent in your form, but have not | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
done anything when they do not acknowledge it. You have not told | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
them, as you say here, you have got to let them know that you have not | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
received acknowledgement? If I have got the notification... Supposing | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
you have done the right thing, cent in the form, and the next thing you | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
know you have and �80 penalty? next thing you would have, if we | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
have not got you would have a reminder. Supposing you suddenly | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
got, as one of our people did, and �80 penalty? Get in touch and we | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
will make sure we have sent both reminders. Some of these people, | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
you get in touch or pay it because you are frightened of the �1,000, | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
the next one. We would make sure we sent but reminders to use. You have | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
just seen the evidence that you have not. We check the address you | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
are living at before anything else. You have just seen people who say | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
they have sent in their form, law abiding citizens, never been to | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
jail, you have sent in your form and now have to pay and �80 fine. | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
What next? 4 million people get this right. Never mind that, it has | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
not worked for these people! encourage people to do this online, | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
take any risk out of the latter getting to you. But they cannot | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
appeal! Supposing it is you and you have to pay �80 even though you | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
cent in the form, can you appeal? You at the DVLA decide whether it | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
can go to an independent assessor. We do a lot of work on it before it | :11:31. | :11:38. | |
gets to that point. But it is not working. We expect to resolve as | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
many complaints as we can and we resolve the vast majority. You are | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
expecting people to be the giving of your mistakes when you are not | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
the giving of theirs. We do a lot of work to discover what has gone | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
wrong -- you are not forgiving. David Evans, thank you. | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
If you want to declare your car off-road, the DVLA say the easiest | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
way is to do it online. Details are on the screen. Or you can call. | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
That way you get immediate acknowledgement that your | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
notification has been received. If you would like to comment on | :12:15. | :12:25. | |
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this or any of tonight's stories, Coming up, enjoying Downton Abbey? | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
Hope the Aviva adverts are not spoiling it. And Love Film are | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
signing up campaigners -- signing up customers, getting their lines | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
wrong. Big corporations, so remote from | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
their customers. Your local family firm on the other hand, much more | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
in touch, they are on your doorstep, part of the community. It is | :12:53. | :13:03. | |
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According to a recent survey we are more likely to trust a company if | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
it is a long-established and based nearby. So say hello to your ideal | :13:18. | :13:27. | |
firm of promise. -- plumbers. are a family run business. | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
local. Our customers live within a 300 yard radius. No need to | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
advertise, all word of mouth. We don't even have a phone. We just | :13:37. | :13:47. | |
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shout. That is Mrs Jones. Come on. We have not use the van for years. | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
You see, local and family man, apparently just like First Active | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
Drainage Limited, not to be confused with others with similar | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
names. They claim to have been around since the 70s, odd since the | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
company was incorporated in 2009. They also claim to be local to | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
north London, handy for Daphne, who had a blocked drain at home in | :14:10. | :14:20. | |
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Islington. Where are your drains? Just up here. | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
Water was coming out? It was. was it that made you go with this | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
company? They said it was local, I wanted somebody there quickly. It | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
was supposed to be a family company, established 35 years, I thought | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
they would be reliable and they said they could clear the drains | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
fast was stopped they said they charge �22.50 for the first half- | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
an-hour, rising if they had to use power equipment. Daphne agreed, | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
expecting a bill around �100. Bad move. The guy came round with his | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
homes, I left them to it, and later he came to the back door and | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
presented me with a bill for �540. I was furious. I said, this is | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
ridiculous, I know what the going rate is, you are cowboys. He got | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
his boss on the phone and said, -- and Assad, I will put this on | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
Twitter at which point he hung up on a. The power of Twitter is such | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
that the threat of it... I have never used that before. I don't | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
even know what Twitter is! Daphne sent him packing with less than | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
half the amount he asked for. Now, it is back aboard the drain a train. | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
Come with me, First Active Drainage Limited have plenty of other | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
customers to cheat him plenty of places because, while claiming to | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
be local to not London, they say they are local to other areas, too. | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
Gillingham in Dorset, home to this I hoped the page and I saw the | :16:00. | :16:07. | |
number on there, so I thought it must be local. A drain they share | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
with their neighbours became blocked. A workman, named Ryan, | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
spent three days washing out the gunk with a power hose. He dug up a | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
neighbour's patio, supposedly to replace a section of pipe. But did | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
he? We put a camera down to find out. Phil Brook will take a look. | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
Any evidence of that at all? No. actually paid here for something | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
that just hasn't been done. That's correct, yeah. And none just paid, | :16:37. | :16:45. | |
paid through the nose. The Buds settled on a charge of nearly �2, | :16:45. | :16:53. | |
00 -- � 2,600. What's that like going round asking your neighbours | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
for money? Hell. It was not good at all. Do you think that he actually | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
replaced this pipe? I don't know. I can't prove it. The only way to | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
find out is by digging down, I suppose. Well, we've had our man | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
stick his camera down your drains. We can say categorically that the | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
pipe hasn't been replaced. They've charged you for work that hasn't | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
been done. I'm not quite sure you've really grasped what's gone | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
on here. No, I don't think we have. It's affected us mentally and | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
physically. We've lost weight both of us, at least a stone. In all | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
their dealings with First Active Drainage Limited, the couple only | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
ever spoke to Ryan. When the final bill arrived it came with a letter | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
signed by a James Francis. There's a name worth remembering. Time to | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
serve the sewage all the way back to Dan. | :17:43. | :17:52. | |
A local company? Local is as local does. Doesn't mean anything mate. | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
We've got complaints right across the south of England, from Weymouth | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
in Dorset from west cliff on sea in Essex. I bet you have got nothing | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
from Watford. No, we haven't. We have got to go to Watford now. Why? | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
Because they claim to be local there too. Here is a house in | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
Watford with a pigeon, cameras, an actor and an expert with an | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
interest in mucking things up. Drain diva Bryan is creating a | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
blockage with compost and loo paper. Two days later it's caused a build | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
up. Time to call in First Active Drainage Limited. We charge 47.50 | :18:28. | :18:38. | |
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per half an hour for Labour. In the event we have to use 59.50 for high | :18:39. | :18:46. | |
pressure equipment. Do you think they'll get it out. Take a wild | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
guess. We'll tell you if you're right in about 15 minutes, which is | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
when we're expecting them to turn up. Remember, they only have to | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
unblock a drain, like our man here. They only need a rod with a plunger | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
at the end. It should only take 25 seconds. So simple, anyone can do | :19:03. | :19:13. | |
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Well, almost anyone. By the way kids, don't go down drains, it's | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
flipping horrible. That goes for you too Anni. | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
Next Microsoft and the Xbox, the biggest selling games console in | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
the UK last year. It allows users to download new games and play | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
online against friends. But a growing number are discovering | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
Microsoft has banned them permanently. Why? It won't tell you. | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
Appealing the decision? Impossible. The reaction? Outrage. | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
35 million users worldwide. Players the length and breadth of Britain. | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
Xbox live is a great way of testing your skills and keeping in touch | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
with your mates. To be able to connect with friends and play | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
together, without needing to go to each other's houses, which isn't | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
always possible, when you do live in a rural area, it's a life line. | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
A life line that suddenly snapped. Over the last few weeks scores of | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
users have told us they've been cut off. Their consoles prevented from | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
connecting to others online. Microsoft says they violated their | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
terms of use, no further explanation given and no appeal | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
possible. When I turned on my Xbox and found it was banned, I felt | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
really upset and annoyed. We were accused of tampering or doing | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
something wrong with the account or violating their terms. When I spoke | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
to Microsoft there was no doubt in their mind that it was my son at | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
fault and as a result it wasn't necessary for an appeals system | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
because they weren't wrong. I just couldn't believe the arrogance and | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
the fact this they would not move on their point of view. The bans | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
have been issued by Microsoft's mysterious enforcement team whose | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
job is to stop Xbox users from breaking the rules like tampering | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
with the console, committing online fraud or repeatedly breaching the | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
terms of use. All the users who contacted us, insist they've done | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
none of these things? Fplgts I knew I didn't do anything. They wouldn't | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
tell me when, why or what I had done. Microsoft were adamant that | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
they could not be at all the. is Microsoft saying to customers? | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
Posing as the parent of a user, whose console had been disconnected, | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
we called customer services three times. Each time they were quick to | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
blame us for the ban. Trust me, there has to be some reason. Maybe | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
can you talk to your son. Maybe there's something you didn't know. | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
As for trying to prove our innocence, no chance. Unfortunately | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
there's no way to appeal it. The only thing once it's been banned, | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
that means the console's kind of dead, so to say. You can only buy a | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
new console if you want to play online again, OK? No, not OK. Any | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
other suggestions. The worst case scenario you will buy him a new | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
console for Christmas or something like that. What if there was the | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
faintest possibility that, you know, Microsoft itself might have got it | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
wrong? I can assure you, Sir, we have lots of calls about bans. In 1 | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
hundred% of the cases the ban team is meticulous and always right. | :22:11. | :22:20. | |
Come again? They're always right. So now we know. Microsoft is | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
infallible. Who'd have thought it. If you're a customer, you will have | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
been given that impression. We were less sure. We called them again, | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
this time as watchdog. And? turns out, they were wrong, after | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
all. Fabulous! Yes just three hours after our call, Microsoft put up | :22:38. | :22:48. | |
:22:48. | :22:49. | ||
They have reversed some of the bans and gave affected users three | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
months free Xbox live sup skripgs, plus 1600 Microsoft points around � | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
25 in compensation. Good job team. | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
Sadly, that's come too late for those users like Maxine, and her | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
11-year-old son James, who went out and bought a replacement Xbox to | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
get around the ban. We have two identical Xbox consoles and it was | :23:11. | :23:20. | |
a waste of money, basically. It was also too late for Jo, Stuart -- Jo | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
Stuart Matthews and her son. decided to go out and buy another | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
console because they said they wouldn't reverse -- reverse the ban. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
I wasn't prepared to give them any more money. So we decided to buy a | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
PlayStation, which cost �170. received an e-mail from Microsoft | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
admitting their mistake. The ban was being lifted and their console | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
reconnected. I was really angry because all along they've told us | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
they didn't make mistakes and it was something Ben had done, which | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
had caused a lot of tension in the family. I wouldn't have bought the | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
console if it wasn't for their advice, so I think they should pay | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
for it. What are Microsoft going to do? Fplgts not much. They say the | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
advice from customer services was to buy a new Xbox not another brand | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
of console. So she won't be compensated. Those would bought a | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
new Xbox 360 before September 23 will be reimbursed for the price of | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
the new console as long as they can provide proof-of-purchase. The bans | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
were issued between August 29 and September 9. They deeply regret any | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
inconvenience this may have caused. Anyone affected should call their | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
support line. Next Love Film, the movie sup | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
skripgs service owned by Amazon, delivering DVDs to the doors of 1.7 | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
million members, but it wants more people to sign up. Sales reps are | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
operating in shopping centres, offering free trials, discount | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
vouchers and unlimited DVDs. Too good to be true? | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
It's Sunday and that means one thing, settling down with my latest | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
delivery from Love Film. Perfect! The movie phenomenon | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
everyone's talking about. They were dreamers looking for Britain's | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
largest range of film, then came Love Film. | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
With over 70,000 tight tolz choose from, including movies exclusively | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
streamed as part of your sup skripgs. Sounds unmissable, but | :25:19. | :25:27. | |
what about the reviews? First one courtesy of chick flick fan Lexi, a | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
sales rep offered her a free trial for 30 days. What does that | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
involve? You get three movies for �5. You don't pay for the first 30 | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
days and then after that �5 goes off your account every month. The | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
rep asked me for bank card details but they assured me it would be | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
charged after the first 30 days. checking her bank statement she saw | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
that Love Film had charged her almost immediately. She demanded an | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
answer. They told me that wasn't the deal it was three months for | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
the price of one so �5.99 had been charged to my account. I wasn't on | :26:03. | :26:11. | |
a 30-day free trial. I feel misled. After several e-mails Lexi got a | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
refund, a relationship that started well but ended messily. | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
Never mind, this is a double feature, so how about something for | :26:18. | :26:27. | |
the boys? Action thriller fan Ryan signed up to Love Film in April. | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
The rep told us we had 14 days to cancel. Most weekends I bought | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
movies any way. I thought I could go home and cancel if I wanted to. | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
He told me there was a link to cancel online. When he tried to | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
cancel online he couldn't. The web page directed him to a telephone | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
number. Spoke to customer service. He said there's no point in | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
cancelling, money's been taken and I wouldn't have a refund. I | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
realised I'd been missold this deal and there wasn't 14 days' cooling | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
off period. They had taken the money from my account the day that | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
they signed me up. After a call, and several e-mails, Ryan was also | :27:07. | :27:14. | |
refunded. But watchdog has received dozens of complaints about sales | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
practices and heard from more than 40 with cancellation problems. We | :27:18. | :27:28. | |
:27:28. | :27:28. | ||
need to see what's going on. Oh, a spy film. Looks interesting. | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
This Autumn, Watchdog presents Love Film sales reps the movie you | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
cannot afford to miss. Two researchers coming to shopping | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
centres near you. Is that the best you can do, Chris? | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
Yeah! Charming. We spoke to six repz at four | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
different shopping centres around the country. All tried to sinus up | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
to a 21 day free trial or three months for the price of one. There | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
were first rate performances on the sales pitch. What's to think about? | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
Do you have to ring your boyfriend and see if he's got a pair? This | :28:09. | :28:19. | |
:28:19. | :28:20. | ||
represent got his lines wrong? it easy to cancel? Go onto my | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
account and click cancel. Sounds convincing enough. I'm on the "my | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
account" section of the website. I'm going to try to cancel, by | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
clicking here. When I get through it says, that I have to call a | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
telephone number. So it's not like cancelling | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
Facebook then. But don't worry as according to the reps you're not | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
tied into anything. We don't bind you into anything. It's not a | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
contract? It's not a contract. contract? Wrong again, a Love Film | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
subscription is a legally binding contract, but every rep we spoke to | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
told us it waents. Now a contract comes with terms and conditions, | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
did any of the reps mention those? Not one. Had they even read them | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
themselves?. They won't charge me automatically? No, no. Untrue. At | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
the end of an interductery offer Love Film will begin billing unless | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
you cancel the account. At least there's the DVDs to look forward to, | :29:22. | :29:30. | |
how many would we get? The best offer is �5.99 for three months. | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
many as you want? Actually it's four a movement And what else? | :29:35. | :29:42. | |
get a �40 wine voucher. Great, if it was true. What we got was a �15 | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
supermarket voucher and notd quite the same ring to it. It seems to me | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
the sales reps have been overselling services by putting | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
information in a very misleading way and leaving out very important | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
information. Doing that is potentially a breach of the | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
consumer protection from unFairtradeing regulations 2008. | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
Thank you Mark. Your review comes eight months | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
after Love Film had this TV ad banned. Can you have movies | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
streamed straight to your internet enabled TV. For implying streaming | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
was part of a free trial offer when it wasn't. So a misleading ad and | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
now misleading sales rep. What's Love Film's response to the | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
critics? Do we have a result? In response to our report, Love | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
Film have now suspended face-to- face selling by third party agency | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
involved. That will remain in effect will they review the sign up, | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
cancellation and training processes. They apologise to those who have | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
had a bad experience and ask anyone who's concerned at the way | :30:42. | :30:48. | |
membership was sold to them to contact this free phone number 0800, | :30:48. | :30:58. | |
:30:58. | :31:02. | ||
Still to come: Dodgy offers from Tesco caught on cameras and the | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
Defy smartphone. Life-proof, says Motorola, so how does it explain | :31:05. | :31:11. | |
this? Back to First Active Drainage | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
Limited. Described in this north London directory as a local family | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
firm, it is also described as such in this Bristol directory. The same | :31:20. | :31:27. | |
with Brighton and Southend. In fact, we found their advert in 42 Local | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
Directories with each one saying they are based in that particular | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
area. So are they omnipresent? Can they transcend time and space? His | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
human cloning now a reality? There is a place for such fundamental | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
questions, and it is called the Watford. | :31:46. | :31:54. | |
It is also where we have set up a house with regulation old lady, | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
regulation expert and a drain with a simple blockage. All it needs is | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
a quick plunge, but First Active Drainage contractor Paul is | :32:03. | :32:10. | |
quitting already for extra machinery. Will I need any jets? | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
it is blocked out the front, you generally well. Will he not even | :32:14. | :32:20. | |
try a simple rot? On top of �47.50 for every half-an-hour of labour, | :32:20. | :32:27. | |
he will charge for using his own power jet. It makes it over �100 | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
for half an hour's work, which is rather excessive. You don't expect | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
this sort of thing from a local family run business, do you? But it | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
isn't, it is based nowhere near here. How will he explain that? | :32:41. | :32:50. | |
Paul? The offices are bounce out. thought it was local? -- the | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
offices are down south. My family, we have been working like relatives, | :32:59. | :33:09. | |
:33:09. | :33:12. | ||
Wake up, because you are in time for the Rogue Traders drain | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
clearing race. It does not get more exciting than this. On the left, | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
our man fell, on the right First Active Drainage's Paul with an | :33:22. | :33:30. | |
hourly rate of �214. Two drains, the same type of blockage. Phil and | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
Paul have their equipment in, having a good feel around. Phil is | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
pumping hard, making his what do the work. Paul's hose is looking | :33:40. | :33:46. | |
limp. And Phil has come first. There widow. Who writes this felt? | :33:46. | :33:53. | |
The blockage gone in 25 pulsating seconds. Any news on the run up? | :33:53. | :34:01. | |
What is he up to? -- the runner up. It looks like he is purposefully | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
wasting time. He is not doing anything. He should have easily | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
finished this job by now and left the property. 32 minutes after | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
arriving, Paul clears the drain, but he can still smell something. | :34:14. | :34:23. | |
Many. It is totally scaled up, it needs a d scale. I really need that | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
turns if you don't, this will back up again. He does not know what | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
scale they have got because he has not put a camera in. We have, and | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
we can say there is no scaling problem present. No concern to Paul, | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
who spends two hours and four minutes on the job. And that will | :34:41. | :34:51. | |
:34:51. | :34:52. | ||
be... �465.23. And then I have got VAT on top of that? It is money For | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
Auld road for the government, 20%. He is blaming the government. This | :34:58. | :35:05. | |
Bill should have been �57, he has charged �558.27. This position is | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
not down to the coalition. What have we found out? It is clear | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
First Active Drainage Limited employed a similar job stretching | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
techniques whether in Islington, Gillingham or Watford. And then the | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
family thing. We have family in between... Even after this tortured | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
explanation, it is not clear who runs the company and whether it is | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
a family concern. It is a family, what is their name? I don't know | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
yet -- if it is a family. On paper, the director is Joseph Ashford, but | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
the guy dealing with the complaints is James Francis. Where are they | :35:43. | :35:52. | |
based? On the invoice, Southampton. How about this, we call them out | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
again in Southampton. We might get a family member, who knows? | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
We need an old lady, a very smiley one, plus a house with secret | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
cameras, you can see what is going on, and we need to lift the lid on | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
this drain and put in our usual mix to create a blockage. Leave it to | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
set for one day and like a teenage boy's internet access, it is | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
temporarily blocked. The water has built up and we have created a | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
blockage. There is a relief, nothing worse than an unrealistic | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
blockage. Time to call First Active Drainage Limited again. Who will | :36:32. | :36:39. | |
they send? It will probably be the wry end. The same that visited the | :36:39. | :36:47. | |
Rob and Liz! Will charge 22 pity pounds -- �22.54 half-an-hour and | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
if we used high-pressure equipment, an additional �59.90. Half the | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
price of Watford, why would that be? Hold on, that is why. There is | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
two of them. I am worried we will end up paying for two people to do | :37:04. | :37:11. | |
the work of one. Two people charging �22.50 each comes to �45 | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
for half-an-hour, virtually the same rate as Watford. And they have | :37:14. | :37:24. | |
the same stretching technique, too. There is no need for the jet, that | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
can be clear with a plunger in less than a minute. So we will pay �59 | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
each half an hour for a power jet we do not need. But are we any | :37:33. | :37:42. | |
closer to the family? Are you part of the family? Yes, my dad started | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
off the company. His son has just taken over because he has got older | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
now, so my older brother has taken over. So his dad's son is his | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
brother? Why didn't he say that in the first place? Just like last | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
time it takes around half an hour to clear the drain and once again | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
they are keen to grow this job by saying the drain needs more work. | :38:06. | :38:13. | |
What we will do, when the line has been full of sewerage, it builds up | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
scale in the pipe. If we don't clean it, the next lot will stick | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
to it. He has seen the water ago, he knows that the drain is clear. | :38:24. | :38:32. | |
There is no justification for jetting that train. He has done, at | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
most, five or six feet. We are paying for work he has not done, | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
but worse, paying for work that did not need to be done. Come in. | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
their rates, clearing the drain should have cost �27 but when they | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
add the cost of the jet, the extra man and the necessary work that was | :38:50. | :38:59. | |
not carried out, it is... �239 a team. But he is not finished, he | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
recommends Our Lady recommends -- replaces the manhole at the end of | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
the drive for �975! Would you recommend he has that done, is it a | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
necessity? We always do it. The man whole does not need to be replaced, | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
but he leads thinking we will call him back to do the work. And, do | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
you know what? I think we might. I and when we do we will have a | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
little surprise for him. It is the least we can do after he reeled us | :39:30. | :39:36. | |
in with his bail. If you have kept track of his costs, rates and VAT, | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
then congratulations, you know your maths. Maybe you can help us out | :39:40. | :39:49. | |
:39:50. | :40:22. | ||
Just a few photographs you have sent in since last week's story | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
about a journalist who said he was ordered to stop noting down dodgy | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
multi-buy offers at Tesco. Tesco told us it was not company policy | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
and customers were free to write -- to take photos and write notes and | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
you have taken them up on the. None of those offers add up and | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
when they make a mistake, the multi-buys always cost more, never | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
less. Sometimes buying in bulk costs exactly the same, like this | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
one just in. Cheese and bacon potato skins, one for two pounds 50, | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
two for a fiver! Test goes say they have invested �500 million to help | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
customers save money -- Tesco say. Tens of millions of shelf edge | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
labels I invest also errors can occur but they are rare and they | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
work hard to keep them to a minimum. By a calculator, Tesco. | :41:16. | :41:23. | |
The Motorola Defy, a smart phone advertised and life-proof -- | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
advertised as life-proof. As a hugely successful TV star, I | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
work hard and I play hard. I expect my mobile phone to do the same. | :41:34. | :41:40. | |
Based on a television advertisement, the Motorola Defy is the phone for | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
me. The Motorola advert, lots of beautiful people, dropped my phone, | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
it seems OK. They are jumping in the swimming hall! The phone is | :41:51. | :41:57. | |
getting wet, it does not seem to matter. Who are we kidding? Not | :41:57. | :42:05. | |
many people live like that. This is the sort of party I get invited to. | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
If Motorola are prepared to sell us an exaggerated version of life, are | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
they also selling exaggerated claims about the Defy? According to | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
the advert this phone can survive a night on the tiles, but can it | :42:19. | :42:28. | |
:42:29. | :42:37. | ||
survive the more mundane things of Sadly for some Defy owners, their | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
phones were not as life-proof as the adverts make out. I was walking | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
down the road, and I went to crouch down, my phone slipped out of my | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
pocket and landed on its side and smashed the screen. I called | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
Motorola and they advised me it was not their liability and I need to | :42:57. | :43:04. | |
pay to get it fixed. I only had the phone for two months. His brand new | :43:04. | :43:10. | |
Defy was unusable after eight weeks, but Sam's smashed after eight weeks. | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
Mike Soper was only half a metre off the floor, but they said it | :43:14. | :43:21. | |
would cost �60 to repair the friend. I said, you are advertising a life- | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
proof phone, they show it dropping on to a dance floor, which would be | :43:26. | :43:33. | |
harder. So, six weeks was Sam. How long did Donna's life-proof phone | :43:33. | :43:39. | |
last? We had it for three weeks, we selected it having seen the advert | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
on television. It was accidentally dropped and the screen it smashed | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
completely. She took it back to the store and they were completely | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
shocked at the state of it because they had representatives from | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
Motorola banging the phone against a desk to show how sturdy they were, | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
and they suggested we contact Motorola. I felt the advert was | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
misleading and would they not at least cover the cost of repair? | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
They said no to everything. One of the strange things about the advert | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
is it claims to be scratch resistant. But the video footage in | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
the advert shows it being dropped prove, not just on any carpet put | :44:21. | :44:29. | |
on hard stone, and that is unusual because these claims contradict. | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
The adverts made a bold claims, but so does Motorola's head of | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
marketing. Here he is boasting the phone's designed to combat against | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
their lead -- daily wear and tear. But when you write to Motorola to | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
complain, their customer-service representatives do not seem so | :44:48. | :44:58. | |
:44:58. | :45:01. | ||
We are having mixed messages from Motorola. On one hand they say it | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
is life-proof and on the other, mealie dust group, water-resistant | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
and scratch resistant. -- near lead dust proof. It comes down to how | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
you live your life. The Motorola Defy is tougher than some phones on | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
the market but not as tough as other to offer phones on the market. | :45:23. | :45:30. | |
It has some sturdy fit to us like - - features, like a rubber bag, and | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
it is made from the same toughened glass as other smart friends, so | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
there is nothing unique. Some of our viewers have had screens | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
shatter after just a couple of weeks. They lead pretty normal | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
lives. What should Motorola do? you are going to try to sell a | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
phone as tougher than other phones, they should offer a better service, | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
better customer support, that matches up to the life-proof claim | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
they are making. We know that smartphones will not always be able | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
to handle everything life throws at them, but as Motorola are selling | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
the Defy at life-proof, shouldn't they offer help when their brand | :46:12. | :46:22. | |
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Lovely message. Tough o night. Motorola have apologised to the | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
customers featured and to anyone else experiencing similar problems. | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
Contact details for the company are available on our website. They | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
stand by the claims in the marketing campaign and say specific | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
drop, water tests were performed. These concluded that the chance of | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
a drop resulting in a crack screen was one in a thousand. They say | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
four million hand sets have been sold worldwide and reported | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
incidents of cracked screens represent less than 1% of all Defy | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
users in the UK. Thanks to everyone who has been in touch about that | :46:55. | :47:03. | |
story. Here's a few more: Planning to get the new Ryanair card to | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
avoid booking fees? Careful before using it to buy anything else. The | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
airline says anyone paying for flights with the new cash passport | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
will be exempt from the fees, all other passengers have to pay that's | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
�6 per person per flight. Now it's emerged if you use it for goods and | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
service as broad, it will cost you 5.75% of each transaction. There's | :47:24. | :47:30. | |
a �2 fee for with drauling from ATMs and �2.50 inactivity fee if | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
you don't use the card for six months. The airline says it's free | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
to purchase and top up, making it one of the most competitive prepaid | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
cards available. And it's free to use on Ryanair dotcom. Where else | :47:43. | :47:51. | |
would you book a Ryanair flight? Barclays, putting customers' needs | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
first according to their strategy and business model. Britain's most | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
complained about bank, according to the Financial Services Authority. | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
New figures show it received 250,000 complaints in the first | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
half of this year with more than half of those upheld. In second | :48:04. | :48:14. | |
position, Lloyds TSB. With 180,000 complaints. And in third, Santander | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
with 168,000. It's the second year in a row that Barclays has topped | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
the complaints table, although the number is down on 2010. Chief | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
executive Antony Jenkins says the bank apologises for its mistakes | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
and corrects them quickly. He says, delivering excellent service is | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
their goal every single day. So it's a pity they're getting 1,300 | :48:36. | :48:44. | |
complaints every single day. Downton Abbey unexpected events, | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
dramatic twists, hardship and suffering and that's before the | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
programme starts. Fans of the ITV series have flooded the internet | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
complaining about the sponsorship ads from insurance giant Aviva, the | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
ones that run before and after each episode lots of times in the breaks. | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
They tell the story of a motorist who's been involved in a nasty | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
accident and then loses his job. Depressing, say angry viewers. The | :49:08. | :49:13. | |
ads are ruining our enjoyment. They've put us off aveefya. There's | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
even been a complaint to the TV regulator Ofcom. Aviva says it's | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
considered the content of the films carefully and as the story builds | :49:21. | :49:27. | |
in the coming weeks viewers will see a positive outcome. Perhaps the | :49:27. | :49:35. | |
actors another one who gets to have his way with lady Mary? | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
Of course he will, because that actor is clearly a biker. | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
Time for our final visit to First Active Drainage Limited now. Not to | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
be confused with companies of a similar names. | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
Exactly. They claim to clear your drains fast, when they don't. They | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
claim to be local, when they're not. And they claim to be a family firm, | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
a fact we've yet to establish. So, First Active Drainage Limited, who | :50:00. | :50:08. | |
do you think are you? Well we know who at least one of them is the man | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
who deals with complaints. Here's his signature, James Francis. | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
I've heard of him. You mentioned him earlier. Correct. We've done | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
some digging around and found out that his full name is James Francis | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
Dean. What do you think of that, James Dean? James Dean? No, never | :50:28. | :50:37. | |
heard of anyone with that name. Really? OK, he's obviously not the | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
live fast, die young James Dean, but he does drive a Porsche. And | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
he's got a reputation as a bad boy. He's previously been banned by the | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
Financial Services Authority from running mortgage companies, after | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
failing to prevent his business from being used to perpetrate | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
financial crime. As has his father Peter Francis Dean, who was fined | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
�17,500 for the same offence and he just happens to own this building. | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
It's an office in Bournemouth, to which we tracked First Active | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
Drainage Limited. Finally, a family connection. And it seems, a company | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
big fish. Before we get to that, I need to deal with a little fish, | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
remember Ryan, who stung the Buds and who came out to us in | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
Southampton? This Ryan. It's full up with muck. What we're going to | :51:23. | :51:32. | |
have to do is jet it. Oh, right. They build up scale in the pipe. | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
Scales, oh, there's an idea. So Ryan from First Active Drainage | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
Limited is about to turn up. When he turns up he's going to look down | :51:39. | :51:45. | |
the drain and when he looks down the drain, he's going to see this. | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
Hello Ryan, I'm a brown trout. If that doesn't put the willies up him, | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
I'm not sure what will. So they've just pulled up. Tom is playing the | :51:55. | :52:03. | |
householder and I'm on stand by. Ryan, how are you doing? Yeah, good. | :52:03. | :52:13. | |
:52:13. | :52:14. | ||
Is it blocked again? A few times since. Cue talking fish. Hello Ryan, | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
I'm a brown trout. I've been released into the wild. What the | :52:19. | :52:29. | |
:52:29. | :52:36. | ||
Talking fish. Hello Ryan, BBC rogue traders, good to see you, when I | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
look down a drain, all I see is things I'd rather not see. When you | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
look down, you see hundreds or thousands of pounds waiting to be | :52:45. | :52:49. | |
taken from people for jobs which don't need doing and actually you | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
don't end up doing. That's right isn't it, Ryan? That's what First | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
Active Drainage Limited do. That's what you do. You take money off | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
people for jobs that you don't end up doing and didn't need doing in | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
the first place. Are you going to move mate? Thousands of pounds you | :53:02. | :53:12. | |
:53:12. | :53:15. | ||
take. Those people can't afford it either. And now for the big fish. I | :53:15. | :53:21. | |
need to catch up with either Josef Ashford or the man we've seen | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
running things James Francis Dean. It's 7.40, we're in a van, in the | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
car park of a fitness centre, somewhere near Bournemouth. James | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
Francis Dean is inside there. There are conflicting reports at the | :53:37. | :53:43. | |
moment. He may be doing dumbbell presses or doing a bosu crunch, we | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
just don't know wha. Should happen in a short while, is he exits the | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
fitness centre and we ask him questions like, how can First | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
Active Drainage Limited be local in over 40 different telephone | :53:57. | :54:00. | |
directors -- directories? That and many other important questions. | :54:00. | :54:07. | |
That's what we're waiting for. Hello James. How are you doing? | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
Where's the Porsche, that's the first thing we're worried B you | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
seem to have gone with a van today. The Porsche, is that gone? You'll | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
understand when you say you're being local in over 40 different | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
telephone directories it's difficult for people to understand | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
where you're from. I think you need to take it up with the owner of the | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
business. Yeah there's the owner and the guy who runs it. You're | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
going to tell me it's Jo. That's right. I'm the manager. You're the | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
guy who writes the letters. You're the guy who answers the phone. | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
You're the guy who runs the business. No, not correct. You are | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
the guy who will be aware, or you should be, that your guys are going | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
out, failing to use rods, which is the cheapest and easiest way to | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
do... I think erm... What we do is end up paying hundreds of pounds a | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
time for teen idgeers to put a hose down a drain, when there's a | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
cheaper and quicker way of doing it. I think maybe you should highlight | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
those facts to me and maybe you should take it up to the owner of | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
the business. We'd love to meet Joe and we can talk through these | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
problems, because you know, it seems to us that you are the one | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
running the business. James Francis Dean continues to deny running the | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
show, but doesn't seem to be able to take us to anyone else who does. | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
You will be aware of the complaints that come into you for overcharging, | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
massive overcharging. Would you like to see a list of the | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
complaints that have been dealt with or are you picking out a | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
hatful and then trying to make me look bad on television, which is | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
what you're doing. Now you've sprung it on me. You're sending out | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
guys... That's a false accusation. Can you move your arm please now. | :55:47. | :55:52. | |
You're sending out guys... Move your arm. Are you going to leave | :55:52. | :55:58. | |
now snfrplts I'm depoing leave now. -- I'm going to leave now. That's | :55:58. | :56:05. | |
James Francis Dean of First Active Drainage Limited, based in | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
Bournemouth, just so we're clear, not anywhere else, as far as we're | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
aware. James Francis Dean, also known as James Francis and also | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
known as James Dean, one would think. Today a rebel without a | :56:17. | :56:24. | |
Porsche. We have heard from Josef Ashford. | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
He did confirm he's the managing director. He says his father | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
started the business 35 years ago, building up a good reputation in | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
Bournemouth, Southampton and the New Forest. It's since become a | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
limited company. It has operatives in every area in which they | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
advertise. He says he and his father have been sick, limiting | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
their involvement. But he confirmed that James Francis Dean has | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
managerial responsibilities and that Peter Francis Dean owns the | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
building from which they operate. Work that out. I'll make James | :56:55. | :57:00. | |
Francis the latest pin up in our rogue gallery. | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
Time for texts and e-mails. Loads of you getting in touch about the | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
DVLA, saying you didn't get any reminders about those SORN forms. | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
You just received a penalty. Unhappy Love Film customers too, | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
including father bill Haymaker, a priest, who took up the supposedly | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
free offer, but was charged and then told there would be no refund. | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
A man of the cloth. You don't do that. Here's another great Tesco | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
offer, Cadbury's Roses the price was �10, now it's �10.40. Thank you | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
Tesco. Brilliant. Keep sending us your stories and tippoffs. Visit | :57:36. | :57:43. | |
the website. Click where it says "your story" or if you wish, write | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
to us. The address is on your screens now. | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
Coming up next week, Lloyds TSB, saga, if you're insured with them, | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
you may with in for a shock. Hot point, sales of this fridge freezer | :57:57. | :58:04. | |
went with a bang. Very appropriate. And British airways to fly, to | :58:04. | :58:08. |