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Energy giant E.ON tells watchdog, we are entitled to make hundreds of

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millions a year. Sports Direct Online adding items to your basket.

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Barclays, Lloyds, Natwest and the rest, does it pay to switch? Plus,

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Flora, Thames Water and Asda. It's Watchdog, the programme you cannot

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afford to miss. Hello and good evening. Welcome to

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Watchdog, we are live, as usual, for the next 60 minutes. Tonight, energy

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companies. Last week, the first of the Big Six increased its bills, the

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rest will follow. Even though E.ON wouldn't admit it to us. SSE have

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announced an 8% rise, are you about to announce one? You know I can't

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talk about that. Also tonight: Sports Direct, received this

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magazine when you bought online? Presumed it was a gift? Check your

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invoice. Plus, HSBC, Santander, TSB, all begging us to switch banks and

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join them. Is it worth it? Undercover inside Britain's biggest

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limousine hire brokers. It's idea of customer service? Lying, pressure

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selling and breaking the law. All the sorts of things that tonight's

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Rogue might want to warn you against on his website. Paul Hinton is his

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name. His company replaces concrete gutters with plastic ones. If his

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website is giving advice, presumably, his testimonals should

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be brilliant. Let us hear one. I have dwoen gone through different

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emotions, anger and despair and a determination that I will do

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everything I can to bring him to task. We can understand her

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frustration. Look what a mess his workmen made of our roof. When we

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went to complain, it's fair to say that Paul Hinton didn't appreciate

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our feedback. Watch me try to get a foot, not to mention a shoulder, in

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the door later on. First, the energy companies. The amount of gas and

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electricity we are using is going down, while fuel bills are going up.

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SSE, the first of the Big Six, announced a rise of 8. 2% in

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November. Meaning, an SSE customer's bill will now be on average ?1400 a

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year. The other five are expected to follow. Three-and-a-half million

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families are unable to heat their homes. Here is one viewer's story.

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My name is Lorna, I'm a single mum of three children. I'm a, woing mum.

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I work in the tower Hamlet school kitchens as a dinner lady. It's a

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tight budget. By the time I have done my rent, shopping, school

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dinners, travel, gas and electric it's hard to budget for. I have

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noticed over the past two years how the energy has risen for myself. At

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one point, about a year ago, I was putting ?10 to ?15 a week on my

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electric, I'm now at ?25 a week. I'm terrified about the energy bills

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being risen. My budget won't change. I have to find extra money from

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somewhere to put on the electric and gas. That will be a struggle. It's

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been very tight and I have had to go without gas. Last winter we were

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sitting here and my gas ran out and I didn't get pay until the next day.

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We got quilts and sat on the TV. Outside the windows we could see

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HSBC and Canary Wharf and my youngest said, "we should go there

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because it's warm." I felt bad, he made the point that buildings over

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there have heating on and we haven't. I'm working, I'm trying to

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do my best, I still can't provide the basic needs that my children

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need. To me, that's heartbreaking. As cases like Lorna's become more

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typical, profits for the Big Six keep increasing. Take E.ON. It has

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four-and-a-half million customers. Its profits have doubled in three

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years. This year globally it's expected to reach two billion. I put

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your questions to E.ON Director of Strategy and Regulations, Sara

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Vaughn. How can you justify your company's profit margins when people

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are afraid to put the heating on? Our profit margin is less than 5%.

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What we are trying to do is to earn a fair profit. We are a business. We

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have employees. We have to ensure that we are able to stay in

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business. The important thing about people who are scared to put their

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heating on is that they are get get in conle tact with us. We do care

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about them and want to work with them. There are a number of things

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we can do to help, in terms of advice, of insulation, of talking to

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them about whether there any benefits to which they are entitled

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that they are not claiming or actually, through our trust fund, to

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help them actually buy appliances and to move on in that way. You are

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not going to pay their electricity bills? We want to do all they can to

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help them to pay their own electricity bills. Not much you are

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offering really? We would not want any elderly person to be sitting at

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home and be worried about paying their bill. There are, all over the

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country, there are? There are elderly people worried about their

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bills and putting their heating on? We will do what we can to help. For

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a company that is so concerned to help the elderly, why have you taken

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away their stay warm allowance? It was not compliant with Ofgem's

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proposed retail market review rules. Didn't order you to take away the

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stay warm offer, did th No, they didn't. I'm absolutely not saying

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that. It was our decision against the background of a tariff that was

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not compliant. We didn't see a way we could make it compliant. Why do

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you not put prices down when wholesale prices go down, but put

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them up when the wholesale prices go up? The way that we buy our energy

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is always in advance. It may be up to 18 months or two years, the point

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behind that is that we are not seeing the falls and rises directly

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impacting on prices. There is a lag usually until that works through.

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People aren't terribly convinced by that. Even Ofgem says the problem is

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a lack of transparency on behalf of the energy companies? It's a quite

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complicated industry. If you look at the bill and if you look at what

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makes up the bill, less than 20% of the bill is within our control.

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Wholesale costs, transmission and distribution costs, all of the

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Government programmes, all of those are out of our control. Viewer says,

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why do energy companies all follow each other when they put prices up?

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We are all buying wholesale electricity in the same market and

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wholesale gas in the same market. We have transmission and distribution

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costs coming through. We are quite similar businesses in terms of our

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costs. What consumers think is you are all in this together making a

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huge profit for yourselves? I wouldn't say that we make a... Our

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profit is anything other than fair. We made less than 5% on our supply

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business last year. That really feels to me like a fair profit. Why

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do you put up your prices in the winter when we need more energy and

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not in the summer when we don't? If you looked at when price increases

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have come through you would find they were quite evenly spaced

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throughout the year. Last year alone we made a price promise to our

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customers, throughout 2012, that we wouldn't put our prices up. So when

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we did finally put them up, that was towards the end of February. Really,

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we were coming out of winter by then. Why do the energy companies

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make those people who have to pay their gas and electric on card

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meters pay the highest tariff? That's all about the infrastructure

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that supports PPMs, pre-payment meters. What we are looking forward

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to is when we move into smart meters. There will be no distinction

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between the card Meyers -- payers and the other payers. SSE announced

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an 8% rise, are you about to announce one? You know I can't talk

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about that. This viewer would like to know, in the future, the cost of

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improved energy efficiency should lower the supply? Yes. So will you

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be making up for that by charging more? We have been working for a

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number of years on trying to encourage our customers to use less

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energy. It is quite, sort of, counter intuitive. Really, it's

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about we want to change the relationship with our customers so

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they feel that we are on their side and working with them to reduce

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their energy use to make sure that they use no more than they need.

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Energy UK, which represents you, is suggesting that our lights might go

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out in the winter? That is not something that we have said. We have

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raised concerns around the uncertainty that the move that Mr

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Miliband has proposed might bring about. We absolutely haven't been -

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So no lights out this winter? We don't know. You are one of the Big

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Six, shouldn't you know whether the lights will stay on? The margin of

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security has reduced. I cannot see that the lights would be allowed to

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go out this winter. No. So no lights out this winter? No lights out. Very

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much. Thank you. Next week we will hear from another of the Big Six,

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SSE, Energy Secretary, Davey has urged consumers to switch providers

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in pursuit of cheaper bills. At the moment very few people do. Why? Do

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you shop around for your energy? No. You will get it cheap are for six

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months then they put theirs up. No, I don't really. I can't really be

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bothered. 12 months and then I will swap. I will get better by by

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swapping. Shop around? No. No? Utility bills are high. Shopping

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around for the sake of saving ?15 a year maybe ?30 a year, it's hardly

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worth it. Is he right? Is it worth it? Is it possible to get a

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significant saving if you switch? A full report next week. The In the

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meantime, if you have a story you would like us to investigate get in

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touch: Coming up. Sports Direct Online,

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beware of the items it drops into your basket. We like to keep up with

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the times. I have recently joined Friends Reunited and just got a

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mobile phone. Look. Built-in camera. Yeah! We also try to stay abreast of

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the latest developments in the world of Rogues, it never stands still.

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They are looking for new opportunities to exploit. New

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territories to grab. It's like the Wild West out there.

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Welcome to cowboy Street, 84Cowboy Street. It may look like an ordinary

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house in an ordinary street, it's not. It's in Cheshire, Kent or

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somewhere, it hes -- it is full of cowboys. There they are. The reason

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that these cowboys love 87 Cowboy Street is because, look, it's got

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concrete gutters. No, stop, stop! I hate this setup. It's ridiculous. Go

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on. I don't approve of that use of the world "cowboy" either. Here's

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why. Because I love cowboys, at least the old-style western home on

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the range type. I don't want them to be associated with someone like Paul

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Hinton. The boss of a number of companies past and present that

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specialise in removing costly to maintain concrete gutters. His

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current firm, Finlock Solutions limited, goes to pains to warn you

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off cowboys how does his own track record stack up? In 2011 he set up

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Roof Guard Solutions Limited. He continues to own half the company.

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In April 2012 he quoted a job for Kay Perkins. She paid ?2,100 to have

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her old concrete gutters cut off. They were replaced with PVC, like

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this. As soon as they finished she noticed some serious problems.

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The gutters themselves, all the joints, every joint, leaked, where

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they joined at the front and the back. There were insufficient

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brackets to support the weight of the gutter and the water so the

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water poured over the side. The fall of the gutter was incorrect so it

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ran backwards rather than forwards to go down the downspout. The

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pointing, where they had put the fascia board on, that hasn't been

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done, so there was damp coming in. This is not just cosmetic, but it

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sounds like it could actually affect the structure of your house

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long-term. Yes, it is caused damage internally, because it still leaks.

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It was just a shoddy job from start to finish and I'm still having

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problems one year later. As well as damaging her house, the company also

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managed to damage one neighbour's fans, and the other's caravan during

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the job. Eventually, the neighbours received compensation but, despite

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saying they would fix their problems, no one ever came round and

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she didn't receive a penny back. So I took them to court. The court

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found in my favour, but I've never received the money, because they

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dissolve the company. How did it leave you feeling, this whole

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experience? I've gone to different emotions, anger, discussed, despair,

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and then a determination that I will do everything I can to bring him to

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task that discussed. OK. In summer 2012, the company ceased trading.

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Around the same time, Paul Hinton set up Finlock Solutions of Worcs,

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offering the same services. As another customer found, but offered

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the exact same problems. After paying ?2330, they ended up with

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leaks and poor finishing. The work was eventually ratified by Finlock

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Solutions, six months later, but refused to provide any compensation

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for the damage caused. And it doesn't end there. Paul Hinton was

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involved in another company. Tudor Home Improvement Ltd offering the

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same work which shut down leaving two County Court judgements are

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unpaid. With all this ammunition, it's time to saddle up and dried. To

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the big country. -- saddle up and ride. Leamington spa. We have hired

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a ranch and fitted it out with cameras. These gutters have sprung a

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leak. This is TV magic, so we call out a Finlock Solutions salesman who

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quotes 3575 to take down the concrete gutters, but somehow we get

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it down to ?2502. Two weeks later, the boys come round, arriving early,

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a good start, and they waste absolutely no time in setting up and

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springing into action. What is that? This is not a sparkling

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beverage break. He is not using safety equipment. Truthfully,

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ladies, did you ever realise the concrete gutters could be this

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exciting? Hot stuff. So, stick that in your

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vocabulary, Finlock. A word meaning a system of concrete guttering,

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popular in the 1950s and 60s. And Finlock Solutions are about to

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become a byword for bodges and boggling blunders. Get your

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thesaurus out. In a little while. Next Sports Direct. The UK's largest

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sporting retailer. Shop with them online? Be careful. We can reveal

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the company uses an underhand practice to get you to pay for

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products you had no intention of buying. Giles Long reports.

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When you go shopping, you don't keep looking at what's in your basket

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because it's just full of things that you put in there. Right? All

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right, mate. I mean, you don't expect new items are just be dropped

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in there by somebody else, do you? What's this? But that's exactly what

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happened to Wendy Graham, when she shopped online with Sports Direct. I

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ordered some items for my son, tracksuit top and bottom is, and I

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noticed there was an additional item on there, only when I put the

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invoice by the side of my desk. After the password been delivered.

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And I happened to glance over at unnoticed it wasn't two items but

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three on the invoice. The third item was this. Sports Direct's

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promotional magazine costing ?1 a copy. Whether it's a good read is

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irrelevant because Wendy wasn't aware she had ordered it. I haven't

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selected the eye to myself. I was a little bit surprised to see it on

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the invoice. And the fact I had been charged for it. Admittedly, it was

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only a pound but it's the principle of it, and it's made me feel like I

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never want to order anything from Sports Direct again. So how did

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Wendy" magazine in her purchases? Here is what happens when you order

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something from Sports Direct. I'm going to choose this holdall. I will

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click to go through to the checkout and here you can see that holdall

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I've ordered and just below that is a magazine and a mug for ?1. I

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didn't order that. This happens every time you make a transaction,

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whenever you buy something, Sports Direct will add this magazine or

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this mug, sometimes both come at the checkout for an extra pound. Unless

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you go back to another part of the site and remove these items, before

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you buy, you will be charged for them. Dozens of you have been in

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touch to say it's only when you're Sports Direct goods have arrived

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that you find out about these extra costs. And chances are it's quite a

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money spinner. When you consider they generate 15% of its ?1.5

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billion business online. And they are not the only ones doing this.

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Take National Express, buy tickets on their site and they tick this box

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for you because they assume you want to pay an extra ?1 for travel

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insurance. Want to buy a credit with sky TV? -- Skype. They assume you

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want to pop up automatically with credit when you run low. And by

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certain flights from Monarch and the opportunity to pay for extra seats

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and luggage. At the moment, the letter of the law on the practice of

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opting you into extra purchases is a bit of a grey area. But industry

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experts say it isn't playing fair. This practice of pre-ticked boxes

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and hiding important information goes against the basic principles of

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contract law, which have been around forever a hundred years. Both

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parties need to be fully aware of what they are agreeing to, what is

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the product, what is the price? This tactic is all the more sneaky when

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you look at how websites are designed. We use a piece of kit

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called an eye tracker, which allows us to essentially see through the

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eyes of our users, so we can see what they're looking at and

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understand a bit better about their behaviour. I have come to our

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website design consultant to contest how different website influence

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decision-making. The red dot on the screen shows where I am focusing and

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eye movements are tracked and stored as I start to order things from the

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sites we know opted into extra purchases. First, the results for

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Skype and my eyes are actually drawn to the pre-ticked box, helping me

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make an informed decision about the automatic recharging operation. When

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he shows in my results for Monarch, I can see how I could miss optional

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items. We can see on the baggage, where you are prepaying for

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baggage, you definitely notice that because your eyes focused on it for

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a little bit longer, whereas for pre-booking your seat, you skimmed

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over it. Where the National Express, . -- with National Express... You

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didn't focus on the box. It hidden away at the top. And with Sports

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Direct? You can see as I was looking through the descriptions,

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essentially, I'm confused. There's so much information on the page to

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take in before I get to the items I'm actually paying for, I could

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easily have missed the cost for the magazine and the mug. The design of

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the website has a massive impact on the way you explore the website. You

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can basically be directed to a certain pathway through a website

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and Connor Dunbar to missing 70 things. I could end up with boxes

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checked that I didn't have any say whether I'd checked them or not? And

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end up with more than you expect that the end of it. Companies are

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opting you into purchases and possibly designing their websites in

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a way which makes them hard to spot. Hardly seems right, does it? The

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authorities agree. Next year, new law comes into effect which will

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explicitly make it illegal for companies to add goods and services

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to your account by default when shopping online. That will mean

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sites like ACPO couple will no longer be able to automatically add

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things to your basket or sign you up for things by ticking boxes on your

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behalf -- Sports Direct. Quite a few responses to get through. Sports

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Direct are unapologetic. They say they have simplified the process of

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removing the magazine from the online basket. They feel it is clear

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when it has been added and that it's also clear how customers can remove

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it if they don't want it. They also say they are aware other retailers

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adopt the same approach which presumably makes it all right!

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National Express believe their online booking process is clear,

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with optional insurance details displayed prominently at the top of

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the screen. They say they are committed to customer choice and

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this is why they offer travel insurance and other optional extras

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when you book a ticket online. Skype told us that they enable

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auto-recharge in order to ensure that users do not run out of credit

:24:59.:25:02.

during a call. There are no additional costs and auto-recharge

:25:03.:25:05.

can easily be disabled in the account settings at any time.

:25:06.:25:11.

Monarch declined to comment. Next. How long have you been with your

:25:12.:25:17.

bank? Research shows we stay with the same bank for a staggering 26

:25:18.:25:25.

years. Statistically speaking, you're more likely to get divorced

:25:26.:25:30.

than switch your bank account. Lengthy waits until completion,

:25:31.:25:33.

mountains of paperwork, and the risk of missing a payment, put people

:25:34.:25:39.

off. But last month the law changed all that. Bring more competition to

:25:40.:25:46.

high-street banking. In the past, switching bank accounts seemed to be

:25:47.:25:52.

quite a slow process. But now there is the guarantee. You can't have

:25:53.:25:57.

missed the adverts guaranteeing you can switch your current account

:25:58.:26:00.

along with your direct debits and standing orders. In just seven

:26:01.:26:04.

working days. The banks are falling over themselves to tempt you to join

:26:05.:26:08.

them but is it enough? Will we change the habit of a lifetime and

:26:09.:26:13.

break-up with our banks? Joining me now, personal finance analyst, Sarah

:26:14.:26:20.

Pennells. Is it worth switching? There are three groups of people who

:26:21.:26:25.

are to switching for. If you're always in credit but your existing

:26:26.:26:27.

bank doesn't pay you interest also on the other hand, if you always go

:26:28.:26:31.

overdrawn get charged a lot and lastly if your just unhappy with the

:26:32.:26:35.

service or getting. What if you look at another bank and then a few

:26:36.:26:40.

months later they have changed their tune and they are not offering the

:26:41.:26:43.

deal they did when you joined? That is possible with some of them. With

:26:44.:26:48.

some banks, the offers will last 12 months and then you may have to look

:26:49.:26:51.

again. There's no guarantee how long it will last so I would say look

:26:52.:26:55.

overall at what the bank is offering and don't just move for one thing

:26:56.:26:59.

because you don't want to have bad service because you've switched

:27:00.:27:01.

roadies and interest rate. Is there really a big variation of interest

:27:02.:27:07.

rates between the banks? There is, in terms of what they're offering if

:27:08.:27:11.

you're in credit and what they charge if you go overdrawn and even

:27:12.:27:14.

within the banks they will have at least three accounts paying

:27:15.:27:17.

different rates and charging different amounts. What will worry

:27:18.:27:21.

people is that mistakes will be made along the way, the mortgage will be

:27:22.:27:23.

paid, standing orders will get muddled up. The good thing about the

:27:24.:27:29.

seven-day switching isn't so much the time, but the fact that the bank

:27:30.:27:33.

or building society you move too has responsibilities to get it right,

:27:34.:27:36.

and if there was a mistake made, even if it's not their fault, they

:27:37.:27:39.

have too sorted out and, if necessary, they have to pay your

:27:40.:27:44.

overdraft charges. Is there any category of saver or user of banks

:27:45.:27:49.

who shouldn't switch? Well, if you're basically happy with your

:27:50.:27:51.

bank but say they done one thing which is annoyed you, I mean, it's

:27:52.:27:55.

quite good for you to say, I'm thinking of moving because that can

:27:56.:27:59.

focus their minds complaining can't. If you're applying from mortgage and

:28:00.:28:04.

had a lot of change in your life, switched jobs, moved house, your

:28:05.:28:08.

score could be affected negatively if you also switch banks, so maybe

:28:09.:28:11.

wait until after you got your mortgage. Are you suggesting you can

:28:12.:28:16.

trade a bit with your bank and they might do a special deal for you? In

:28:17.:28:21.

some cases. Certainly, when it comes to things like overdraft charges, I

:28:22.:28:25.

know people who have managed to get them wiped out, not so much if they

:28:26.:28:29.

don't offer interest on your credit, if you're in credit, because that is

:28:30.:28:33.

something which is standard. It's a very competitive market now and they

:28:34.:28:38.

know that. Do we have any idea of a reputation of various banks? There's

:28:39.:28:43.

a number of organisations that look at this and also have their own

:28:44.:28:50.

awards so they have a ratings service. There is definitely worth

:28:51.:28:53.

checking out the service because you don't want to move to a bank which

:28:54.:28:57.

has terrible service because we do tend to change banks quite

:28:58.:29:01.

infrequently. Can you name any banks which are good or bad? Any

:29:02.:29:06.

announcements due on them? The ones which seem to come out well on the

:29:07.:29:10.

service is first direct and smile. Some figures published today of

:29:11.:29:15.

complaints against banks against the regulator, and Barclays Bank top

:29:16.:29:21.

that league. OK. Are they bigger than the others? They would say of

:29:22.:29:25.

course, they have a lot of customers and that's why. I do think, looking

:29:26.:29:29.

at those complaints data, could be part of the data if you're willing

:29:30.:29:32.

to switch. Sarah Pennells, thanks very much for joining us. If you

:29:33.:29:35.

want more information about how to switch, go to the website. Still to

:29:36.:29:42.

come, Limo Broker limited. So why does its training manual instruct

:29:43.:29:53.

staff to lie to customers? Back to Finlock Solutions Ltd of

:29:54.:30:00.

Worcestershire, not to be confused can -- with companies of a similar

:30:01.:30:04.

name. You never know, there may be one. We have hired them. They

:30:05.:30:10.

stripped to the waist and fired up an angle grinder. What could

:30:11.:30:18.

possibly go wrong? Their first job is to take off the old concrete

:30:19.:30:23.

guttering. To see how they get on with the job we have brought in the

:30:24.:30:28.

sheriff to watch them at work, sheriff Barry Cross. The fastest gun

:30:29.:30:35.

in the West Midlands. That is probably the last cowboy reference

:30:36.:30:41.

we will make. Here is our lead tradesman, Tony. He is using a low

:30:42.:30:45.

level platform. I think that is a good thing. Safety seems to slip

:30:46.:30:51.

when they move onto ladders. I wonder what Barry makes of this and

:30:52.:30:59.

this, and then this? Look how that ladder is against the wall. It's far

:31:00.:31:04.

too wide. It's only the friction between the foot of the ladder and

:31:05.:31:08.

the ground keeping it in place. It needs to be at an angle. Yeah, I

:31:09.:31:13.

didn't think he'd like it. Now, the trader needs to remove this section

:31:14.:31:17.

of concrete from the wall. It's not an easy task. Rather than move that

:31:18.:31:28.

low level platform round, he has another

:31:29.:31:29.

despite advising him not to because it is a terrible idea, he goes ahead

:31:30.:31:36.

anyway using either the window sill or the neighbour's fence, or uneven

:31:37.:31:42.

chunks of concrete he's just cut off to lift him up a bit. Watch out for

:31:43.:31:48.

the tomatoes! He is gutting off concrete directly above his head. As

:31:49.:31:53.

Oscar wild once nearly said, he may be working on the gutter, but he

:31:54.:31:59.

could soon be seeing stars. So hazardous. I can see about five

:32:00.:32:03.

different ways that he could end up doing himself a mischief here? Yes.

:32:04.:32:09.

You have to have a hard hat. You have to have safety boots. It's

:32:10.:32:13.

concrete dust. It can be toxic. You have to be looking at a dust mask,

:32:14.:32:18.

minimum, whilst you're working in that kind of environment. With the

:32:19.:32:22.

last of the concrete off, they move on to attaching the new fascias and

:32:23.:32:27.

plastic guttering. Here is Tony again. No doubt he will be showing

:32:28.:32:31.

them how it is supposed to be done. Then again, maybe he won't. Keep an

:32:32.:32:35.

eye on the guttering in his hand when this happens.

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OK, let us watch that back, shall we? The bucket buckles. The

:32:41.:32:49.

guttering hits him smack on the head. It's clearly not Tony's fault

:32:50.:32:53.

that this happened. We need to blame it on the bucket. Yeah, that's it.

:32:54.:32:59.

He's kicked the bucket that thank goodness only in a physical rather

:33:00.:33:04.

than a metaphorcle sense. Yes. Whilst the boys are busy at work I

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check out their website. Lo and behold it makes for an interesting

:33:09.:33:12.

read. For instance, there is a stay out of trouble checklist. It is

:33:13.:33:17.

true, on their website they have included a handy things to check

:33:18.:33:22.

guide. It's there to help you to avoid un trades person peoples. For

:33:23.:33:29.

instance, if the company address is a home address, for example, 87

:33:30.:33:38.

Cowboy Street, that's what it says! Yeah! Then you know it's a small

:33:39.:33:42.

company or a one-man band. It's all here. The site warns against hiring

:33:43.:33:48.

companies with a residential address. We don't think there is

:33:49.:33:51.

anything wrong with that, guess what, it their own registered

:33:52.:33:57.

company address is a home address in Worcestershire. They list a number

:33:58.:34:03.

of impressive business addresses on their website. We went to Hampshire,

:34:04.:34:09.

Birmingham to check them out. It turns them -- it turns out they

:34:10.:34:13.

weren't at any of them. It's a great start. Another top finlock tip is to

:34:14.:34:24.

see the company's certificate. Surely, Tony will have one to hand.

:34:25.:34:30.

Have you public liability insurance? Have you a certificate? Fantastic.

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They do have insurance, but their workers don't carry it with them.

:34:36.:34:39.

Let us check back in on the bungalow.

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We are not adverse to nicknames on Rogue Traders. I have insisted that

:34:44.:34:56.

the team call me the Big Cahoona. Just to remind you, that is our

:34:57.:35:02.

leads tradesman calling himself that. They seem to be in quite a

:35:03.:35:06.

rush. They wouldn't be in such a rush that

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they would cut corners would they though, surely? The area he has been

:35:23.:35:26.

told to make look good is this tricky corner. One of the most

:35:27.:35:30.

important tasks of the job is to make sure the lower part of the roof

:35:31.:35:33.

is secured and waterproof. What they should have done is taken that

:35:34.:35:38.

corner tile off and used plastic underlay all the way round before

:35:39.:35:42.

putting the tile back. He opts for a different method. If you went to a o

:35:43.:35:46.

I boys' school you will recognise it. He is giving it a wedgy! He's

:35:47.:35:52.

pulling... He is pulling the underlay from the other side of the

:35:53.:35:56.

roof to try and cover the corner. Almost trying to pull your skirt

:35:57.:36:00.

down over your knees. It's not working. Obviously, I'm not looking

:36:01.:36:05.

at it with expert eyes, that to me looks like a pig's ear. So after a

:36:06.:36:13.

day-and-a-half of solid sawing, ut cutting and drilling with the new

:36:14.:36:17.

guttering just about in place and the house more or less clean they

:36:18.:36:21.

head off, still in such a rush they drive off with the van door open.

:36:22.:36:26.

Fair to say, from what he has seen, Barry is really not impressed. It's

:36:27.:36:31.

an appalling job. This doesn't come up even to the most basic standards

:36:32.:36:35.

of other rogue traders we have seen in the past. They are putting

:36:36.:36:40.

themselves at risk and putting the property at risk. It's a total bodge

:36:41.:36:50.

job. It turns out it is worse than anyone could have predicted. Look.

:36:51.:36:53.

The weather is about to change and rain is on the way. Oh, yes, storm

:36:54.:37:00.

clouds are gathering. Will our guttering last the first night? What

:37:01.:37:05.

do you think? We will get right up boss Paul Hinton's downpipe in about

:37:06.:37:12.

10 minutes. Limo Broker Ltd, Britain's largest limousine hire

:37:13.:37:16.

company it acts as a go between. Dpraul from anywhere in the country

:37:17.:37:20.

it book as vehicle from a local firm on your behalf. Wedding, birth days,

:37:21.:37:24.

red carpet events, it guarantees an occasion to remember. So why do we

:37:25.:37:32.

keep receiving complaints? Watchdog has been in touch, they have told me

:37:33.:37:39.

a limo is coming to collect me. This never happens. A limo for me on

:37:40.:37:44.

Watchdog. It must be something special, Oscars, Emmies, I don't

:37:45.:37:48.

know, I'm really looking forward to it. -- Emmys. # I see, it's work,

:37:49.:38:01.

isn't it? I think I've misunderstood the whole invitation. We are going

:38:02.:38:08.

to be investigating the complaints we have had about Limo Broker

:38:09.:38:13.

limited. They are part of Transport Broker Group Limited based in

:38:14.:38:17.

Cardiff. They do coaches and hire cars. They say they offer the best

:38:18.:38:21.

hire deals anywhere in the UK. You call them, tell them what limo you

:38:22.:38:26.

want and for an arrangement fee they do you will a the leg work. Unlike

:38:27.:38:30.

my limo today, the the ones they book for you is sometimes wrong. The

:38:31.:38:35.

wrong vehicle, the wrong colour, the wrong time. That is if they actually

:38:36.:38:39.

turn up. From what we have been hearing, that's by no means

:38:40.:38:46.

guaranteed. Time for our first stop. Gemma's boyfriend, Matthew, used the

:38:47.:38:50.

company to arrange a surprise for her 21st birthday. My boyfriend had

:38:51.:38:55.

booked a limo to pick us up from the bar we were at and take us to

:38:56.:39:01.

London. All of our friends had come down. Everyone got dressed up and

:39:02.:39:07.

made the effort to come out. Matthew paid Limo Broker ?84 arrangement

:39:08.:39:13.

fee. The company left his plans for Gemma's special night in tatters. We

:39:14.:39:18.

waited two hours in the rain. He never turned up. Absolutely

:39:19.:39:23.

devastated I can imagine? Disappointment was completely

:39:24.:39:27.

overwhelming. Then the night was ruined. Gemma got her money back,

:39:28.:39:32.

she never got an apology, hardly behaviour you would expect from a

:39:33.:39:36.

firm that describes itself as the country's most trusted limo hire

:39:37.:39:40.

company. Time for another pickup, this time to meet Helen and Paul,

:39:41.:39:45.

they hired from Limo Broker for the most special event of their

:39:46.:39:49.

daughter's life, her wedding day. Thank you for joining us. Gemma has

:39:50.:39:54.

been telling me about her problems with Limo Brokers, what happened to

:39:55.:39:59.

you? I booked a Bentley, it was niceance and big, the car was to be

:40:00.:40:06.

decorated with ribbon and bows, that special moment between father and

:40:07.:40:11.

daughter. What did they promise you? A uniformed driver and to arrive

:40:12.:40:14.

before 1.00pm to take my daughter and myself to the hotel at 1.30pm.

:40:15.:40:20.

The limo didn't turn up on time. They hired a local taxi to get to

:40:21.:40:23.

the church. That meant their daughter was late for her own

:40:24.:40:28.

wedding. That moment of driving to the wedding venue with your daughter

:40:29.:40:32.

is a special moment for a father and daughter. Was it ruined that moment

:40:33.:40:37.

for you? Oh, absolutely. Yes. That's a moment you can never get back

:40:38.:40:42.

again. Consider did turn up. It was clear the driver had no idea about

:40:43.:40:47.

the occasion he had been hired for. Wrong car, wrong driver. The car

:40:48.:40:51.

wasn't decorated decorated properly. Had anies on, a black T-shirt, no

:40:52.:40:57.

ribbon on the car. They got their deposit of ?174 back. It was little

:40:58.:41:02.

consolation for the damage done on their daughter's big day. Will find

:41:03.:41:07.

out what has been going on. We sent team member Anna into the parent

:41:08.:41:11.

company Transport Broker Group Limited to train as a call handler.

:41:12.:41:16.

It becomes clear that the company is far more concerned about making

:41:17.:41:20.

sales than it is about ensuring bookings are being made correctly.

:41:21.:41:29.

Anna was taut to use techniques and I have spoke to Margaret Griffiths.

:41:30.:41:36.

She was in charge of HR -- this was the man in charge of HR and

:41:37.:41:38.

training. This is head of HR and Training

:41:39.:41:57.

giving us this advice? Horrendous. It's reasonable to assume as head of

:41:58.:42:00.

training every single person he trains will use these techniques. It

:42:01.:42:06.

was proved on the first day when this was handed to her, the

:42:07.:42:10.

company's training manual. This is called the Sales Staff Cheat Sheet.

:42:11.:42:16.

That doesn't bode well, does it? It doesn't, does it. Below are some

:42:17.:42:24.

para phrases that should always be incorporated into the conversation

:42:25.:42:27.

with the customers. I can hold the price for a couple of hours, after

:42:28.:42:30.

that the price will go up. I feel under pressure and I'm reading this?

:42:31.:42:35.

Absolutely. It's about putting pressure on the consumer. Can I pop

:42:36.:42:43.

you on hold. It says in brac etc, leave the customer on hold for a

:42:44.:42:47.

little bit longer than number making them fear a little bit more. I can't

:42:48.:42:52.

believe I'm reading this in black-and-white? Those statements

:42:53.:42:57.

are illegal. The purpose of which is to ramp up the pressure on a

:42:58.:43:00.

consumer and force them into a decision that they might not

:43:01.:43:04.

otherwise make. Here is the former head of HR and training again. He is

:43:05.:43:08.

in mid conversation taking a phone booking when he makes this gesture

:43:09.:43:15.

about the person he is speaking to. That is as bad as it gets?

:43:16.:43:21.

Unacceptable. It's showing total disdain and disrespect for the

:43:22.:43:24.

consumer. Anna was also told: in just four days inside the

:43:25.:43:42.

company, Anna uncovered illegal pressure sales tactics, saw senior

:43:43.:43:46.

staff disrespecting paying customers and found out it was considered

:43:47.:43:51.

acceptable to lie about bookings. In hindsight it's no wonder that Gemma,

:43:52.:43:56.

Paul and Helen had such unpleasant experiences booking through Limo

:43:57.:43:59.

Broker. What do you make of this company? They seem to be absolutely

:44:00.:44:03.

without morals. Their behaviour is immoral. It is there purely and

:44:04.:44:07.

simply to take advantage of consumers. Some of what we have been

:44:08.:44:14.

saying is almost certainly illegally. Limo mow broker limited

:44:15.:44:19.

would like to personally apologise to Paul, Helen and Gemma for any

:44:20.:44:23.

inconvenience they caused. They would like to offer all of them a

:44:24.:44:27.

free hire on a date of their choice as a gesture of goodwill. They say

:44:28.:44:33.

in recent weeks they have made severe alterations to staffing and

:44:34.:44:36.

procedures inside the company. They have God rit of the training manual

:44:37.:44:41.

encouraging staff to lie and have appointed a new HR manager with 25

:44:42.:44:46.

years' experience to improve customer standards. Are we seeing

:44:47.:44:51.

improvements? I booked a limousine to celebrate my wedding anniversary.

:44:52.:44:57.

It had to be there by 2.00pm, a stretch limo and white. I ordered

:44:58.:45:01.

pink ribbons on the front. I'm that kind of guy. Why pink ribbons? I

:45:02.:45:06.

have no idea. That is what I wanted. This is what turned up.

:45:07.:45:13.

It is nearly two o'clock and the car has arrived so my wife will be

:45:14.:45:19.

really pleased. It is a stretch limo, however, it is not white and I

:45:20.:45:23.

wanted white, and I can't see any pink ribbons. 6.5 out of ten. I know

:45:24.:45:30.

it sounds harsh, but if you're going to get married,

:45:31.:46:06.

quickly, we've had complaints from people who say they have been misled

:46:07.:46:08.

when applying for a driving licence online. Tonight we'll try and clear

:46:09.:46:13.

up the confusion. Applying for a licence costs ?50 direct from the

:46:14.:46:16.

DVLA. Type 'Renew Driver's Licence' into a search engine and you'll find

:46:17.:46:19.

numerous options. But be careful, because many of these are actually

:46:20.:46:22.

what's known as check and send services. They want ?50 too. But all

:46:23.:46:26.

they'll do is fill out the application forms for you. And as

:46:27.:46:29.

16-year-old viewer Connor Dunbar found out, that means you still have

:46:30.:46:34.

to pay the DVLA fee on top. I know that my first step was to apply for

:46:35.:46:40.

my provisional licence. I went up on the website, the first thing that

:46:41.:46:45.

came up on Google. It said click here to apply for your driver 's

:46:46.:46:50.

license so I filled up my details, paid ?50, essentially, all the

:46:51.:46:54.

website did was fill out a form which I could have done myself. I've

:46:55.:46:59.

ended up paying ?50 twice, once for getting the form, and once for the

:47:00.:47:02.

actual driving licence. It's ridiculously frustrating how they

:47:03.:47:06.

can get away with that. So, very simply, if you are happy to fill out

:47:07.:47:10.

the application forms yourself, and only want to pay the ?50 once, you

:47:11.:47:14.

should go to www.gov.uk and search for DVLA. Alternatively, you can

:47:15.:47:17.

pick up a hard copy at the Post Office. Thanks for getting in touch

:47:18.:47:22.

with those stories. Here is a few more. Cambridge. It's in

:47:23.:47:37.

Cambridgeshire in England. Right? It appears ASDA aren't so sure.

:47:38.:47:40.

Customers in their Cambridge Beehive Centre branch were baffled yesterday

:47:41.:47:43.

when the stores unveiled these new signs in the fruit and veg aisles.

:47:44.:47:46.

They are written in both English and Welsh, despite the store being over

:47:47.:47:50.

200 miles away from the border. So is this a new ASDA programme to

:47:51.:47:53.

improve Anglo-Welsh relations? No. The supermarket say there was a mix

:47:54.:47:57.

up in the printers, and they had no choice but to put the signs up

:47:58.:48:01.

whilst they wait for the correct ones. Personally, I like this idea.

:48:02.:48:06.

You pick up a new language why you're doing your shopping.

:48:07.:48:10.

HE SPEAKS WELSH. What a tasty apple.

:48:11.:48:16.

Many apologies to Wales. Two adverts for Flora Pro-Active spread have

:48:17.:48:24.

been banned because the manufacturers couldn't back up

:48:25.:48:27.

claims they were making about the products' health benefits. The ads

:48:28.:48:30.

both ended with the assertion that 'no other food lowers cholesterol

:48:31.:48:33.

more'. But when this was challenged by viewers, makers Unilever said

:48:34.:48:36.

they hadn't ever meant to suggest the product was the best at lowering

:48:37.:48:39.

cholesterol. Just that no other foods or ingredients could do it

:48:40.:48:42.

better than them. In other words, they were all joint best. Confusing,

:48:43.:48:45.

isn't it? Unfortunately for Flora, the Advertising Standards Authority

:48:46.:48:48.

said the ads made an unauthrised health claim. And as a result, they

:48:49.:48:56.

must not be broadcast again. So Flora can lower your cholesterol,

:48:57.:48:59.

just not any better than anything else. Not a very catchy, that, is

:49:00.:49:09.

it? Water regulator Ofwat today announced it's refusing to allow

:49:10.:49:12.

Thames Water to raise its prices by 8%. Despite increased profits,

:49:13.:49:15.

Thames Water argues it needs more money. First for extra investment to

:49:16.:49:18.

cover the cost of a new super sewer under the Thames. And because it

:49:19.:49:23.

says, due to the economy, some customers are failing to pay their

:49:24.:49:29.

bills. However. Ofwat challenged the proposal on the grounds that Thames

:49:30.:49:32.

Water hasn't adequately maintained parts of its network. And has

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underspent on its sewage investment programmes. This morning Ofwat said

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they had looked at the evidence provided by the company and didn't

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believe the increase was justified. Good work, Ofwat! Maybe you could

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give some lessons to OFGEM. Time's up for Finlock Solutions now,

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the company which offers to get rid of unsightly and unreliable concrete

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guttering and replace it with unsightly and unreliable plastic

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guttering. Just how unreliable? Well, Mother Nature has something to

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say about that. The very day after Finlock Solutions finish the work on

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the house, it rained and this happened. The roof leaked and

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leaked. We brought Barry round a few days later for a bit of show and

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tell. I'm guessing that wasn't there before we had the work done?

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Certainly not, it's a direct result of their action on this job. What

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have they done? Quite honestly, you won't believe this, they have left a

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tile pushed back and now the rain has poured through. Wasn't that just

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a case of putting the pile back into place? That takes seconds to do. 30

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seconds, and that would have prevented that from happening. If

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this is weeks, you're talking about a serious problem. Yes, it would've

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destroyed the ceiling. They are unbelievable. Many more for me?

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Plenty more. In fact, this house is now as leaky as San Marino's back

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four. The gutters leak. Gaps of being left behind the windows and

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the facias which, you've guessed it, could now leak. Remember the

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corner which just had to look good? Aside from the obvious, to protect

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doesn't reach the corner and the waterproof underlay definitely

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shouldn't be screwed on, leaving this leaking. The windowsills been

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scratched by falling concrete. Look at the tomatoes. Well, at least they

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are not leaking. In your lifetime experience in the building trade,

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what do you make of this job? This needs to be taken down and we need

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to start again. And the reason for that is that we need to make sure

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the weathering behind the guttering is sufficient to prevent any water

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getting into the house. It was a barge from start to finish. When we

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complained to Finlock Solutions, they offered to come and look at the

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problems but, as they wanted to send round Tony who bodged it in the

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first place, we didn't want to take the risk, so we got a reputable

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trader to replace everything and repair the damage, costing us more

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than the original job itself. From the work we have seen, it's clear

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Finlock Solutions where the problem and it's a problem that needs a

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concrete conclusion. We need answers but firstly, we need an address.

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Remember, they are not the ones they list on their website. We eventually

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managed to track them down to their real office in Kidderminster in the

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West Midlands. Kidderminster is lovely, as this 80s Betamax footage

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shows. Seriously, is that the best footage we could get? Right,

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anyway, enough of that. It's showdown time. No pistols required.

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My weapons, a camera crew and a dam fine shape. This is actually my own

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and this is not a proper. I'm wearing it because we are about to

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meet the Mayor of Cowboy Street, Paul Hinton, and it's a matter of

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waiting until he turns up. We don't have too wait long. It is Paul

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Hinton, very much at home on his range. Hello, BBC Rogue Traders.

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This must be 87 Cowboy St, then? 87 Cowboy St? On your website, that's

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what you call the residents of fly by night roofing solutions providers

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like yourself. That's the residential address. That's what he

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put on the website, isn't it? And what we found from the job that you

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did for us, was that, actually, the work you do is appalling. The work

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that Finlock Solutions carries out is appalling, it's dreadful,

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that Finlock Solutions carries out it was completed, the first rain

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that we had committed leaked through the roof afterwards, causing damage.

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Have you spoken to the service team? We are speaking to you now because

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the evidence we have seen is that when customers try to get back in

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touch with you, you end up leaving them out of pocket, you have County

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Court judgements. We don't have any of those? You do for the previous

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company you were the boss of. I retired as a director. And what you

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did, you actually dissolve back company. You dissolve back company.

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Do you remember? Once you dissolve the company, voluntarily, the

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insurers who offers no longer valid. Unfortunately, it's only if you go

:55:20.:55:23.

bankrupt or are liquidated. You dissolves involuntarily and that

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means insurers isn't worth anything. You leave your customers in the

:55:28.:55:31.

lurch, in the same way that we got a job that didn't work. We now have to

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spend more than the value of the job trying to put that roof right. Do

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you understand what I'm saying? That's why you are the king of

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Cowboy Street, so are you going to pay back Kay Perkins, who you owe

:55:45.:55:51.

from your previous company? It's not my company. You think you can escape

:55:52.:55:54.

your responsibilities? You can't, because we know what your next

:55:55.:56:00.

company is going to be called. Does it sound like we have done research?

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We know all about you and when you come up with another company, we

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will be there to check it out as well.

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I also spotted Tony. Tony, you have got to be careful on jobs. You are

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going to hurt yourself. OK? You have got to look after yourself otherwise

:56:19.:56:22.

you're not going to be able to work again and that goes for all of the

:56:23.:56:25.

guys who are looking after, as well. We want the money back. Any other

:56:26.:56:30.

customers that come forward, we want their money back. It's going to

:56:31.:56:34.

happen, isn't it, Paul? You're going to pay as the money back? So that is

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Paul Hinton from Finlock Solutions. And that felt like high noon.

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Paul Hinton says he's extremely disappointed with the job his

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workers did at our property and is upset that we didn't allow him or

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his men to rectify the work they carried out. He's supplied us with

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over 150 signed letters he says are from satisfied customers and

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promises he does everything possible to resolve complaints when he gets

:57:15.:57:17.

them. He says that he's happy to discuss repairs and compensation for

:57:18.:57:21.

our work as long as it hasn't been tampered with. I'm afraid it's a bit

:57:22.:57:25.

late for that, Paul. It was so bad we had to take it all down for fear

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of damaging the house. However we have put up this. Your face on our

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