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You're lying most of the time. "Daddy's going to be there soon." | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
I've still got 22 months left. "Daddy's going to be there soon." | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
I'm lying. I can't help it. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
I don't know whether he knows I'm his dad yet. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Not having that bond really does feel horrible. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Glen Parva in Leicester, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
the biggest young offenders' institution in Britain. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
The prisoners here are five times more likely to be dads | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
than other young men their age. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Have you come to see your daddy? | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Doggy! | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
I don't want to make him cry. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
I'm missing out on too much time in my kid's life. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
I'm willing to stop, I'm willing to change, I'm willing to try. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
Aw! Nice(!) | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Daddy allowed a Quaver? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
The first time I met him, he was ten days old. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
I spend a couple of hours with him, then he's taken away from me again. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Over six months, we follow fathers on the inside | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
and their partners on the outside | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
struggling to keep together their fledgling families. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
I've been by myself for two and a half years. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
I've already told him when he gets out, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
he's got one chance and that's it. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Having a little boy feels like he's given me a bit of hope, really. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Once these few years are over, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
I can go out and be a proper dad. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
DOOR SLAMS SHUT | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:00 | |
Wakey-wakey! | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
You need to get up, son. What you doing? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
Right then, boys! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
Gaz? | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
20-year-old Michael Rowley is serving his third prison sentence | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
and knows the system well. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Today, he's helping to hand out prisoners' grocery orders. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
One of one, two of two. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
Everything you see in front of you is what people order for the week. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Their weekly shopping, innit. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
It's their weekly shop. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Food, toiletries, Lynxes, Radox. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
What one's the best? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Obviously, a Lynx. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Why obviously? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
Because Lynx is a, is a...it's a decent shower gel, innit. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
Aaarrgghh! | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Aaarrgghh! | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Michael also works in the wing's laundry room. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Everything in there is prison-issue. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
I definitely ain't wearing these trousers. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
No cuffs on the trousers either. The state of them, man! | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
I do not wear them prison-issue socks and boxers. That is a no-no. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
I am not wearing the next man's boxers. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Them boxers probably been in the jail | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
since I was not even thought of. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Today, Michael's son Rhys is getting ready to visit his dad. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
So how old is Rhys? | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
Um... | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Oh, I always forget this, man. I'm not good at this. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
He's about 17 months. 17 months. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
-So were you in the actual room when he was born? -Yeah. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
Course. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
Got to make sure I see him come out. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
First thing, he comes straight to me. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
What was that like? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
Er...I don't know. Good, innit. It was good. It was amazing. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Obviously, seeing my son being born | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
and then getting to hold him straightaway. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
What was it like seeing a woman give birth? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
It's sad. I don't know, man, I just... | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Obviously, it's natural, innit? Obviously. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
Oh, God! It's weird, though. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
It's nasty, as well, at the end, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
and you see all these things gushing out, like, ew! | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
Josie, Rhys' mum, met Michael when she was 15. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
Hiya, sweetheart. Have you come to see your daddy? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
She has spent most of their five-year relationship | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
visiting him in prison. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
How old was Rhys when you came into prison? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
About two, two and a half months. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Three, max. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
17 months already and all of that time, I've been in jail. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
'What do you feel you've missed out on?' | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Everything. The whole lot. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
I ain't never going to get the time to put him to sleep any more. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
That's all gone now for good, that is. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
And never seeing him do all his first words, trying to crawl. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:17 | |
All the funny baby stuff he's done. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
None of that. I don't get to see that ever again now. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Yay! | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
This? This? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
Give it to Daddy. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
This. Ta. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
What do you want? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
'He was 16, or just turning 16.' | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
Crouched over that railing like he was some... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
..cool man. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
I had a lot of butterflies. It was weird. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I think I saw him as a person more than anyone else would see it, like. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
People used to think, "Oh, yeah, he's a bad boy." | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
And I kind of saw his softer side. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Even though he doesn't like to admit he's got a soft side, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
he thinks he can deal with anything, but he can't. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Not really. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
I just thought he was cute. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-Wipe your mouth. -Wipe your mouth, Rhys. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Good boy. And there. And there. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
On you, on you. Do it to you. Do it to you. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
He was always talking about children. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
How many kids we're going to have. What we were going to call them. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Who it was going to look like. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
In my head, I thought, "Oh, yeah, we're going to be a family. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
"I'll be pregnant, going to get our own place together." | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Mum, dad, son. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Just a general family. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
And both be happy with each other. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
'And what actually happened?' | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
'The opposite.' | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
Is that nice, Rhys? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
What have you been doing today? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
-Servery? -Huh? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
-Servery? -Course, innit. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
'He was seeing another woman behind my back. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
'He'd had another kid with that woman.' | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
I'd just given birth when I found out... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
..what was going on. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
Um... | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
I wanted the ground to just eat me. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
-SHE WHISPERS: -Oh, man! | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
TANNOY BEEPS | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Home time. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
-Uh-oh! -Uh-oh! | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Wipe your face. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:10 | |
Come on, quickly, Rhys. Give Daddy a kiss. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
He'd been in jail for 24 months before this conviction, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
before I got pregnant with Rhys. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
I waited the whole of them 24 months... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
..for him to come out. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
To think I'd got, like, the man of my dreams and all this. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
And, like, "Ooh, yeah, I've got my perfect family, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
"I'm going to have a baby with the man that I love," and all this. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
And then it just comes crashing down, like. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
It's not even a family any more. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
There's someone else there. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
See you later. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
Rhys? | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
Say bye-bye to Daddy. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Are you in a relationship with Josie? | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Nah. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Not at the moment. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Kind of, but... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
We are, yeah, but... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Obviously, I put my own self in the situation, yeah, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
by doing what I did, messing around and that. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
It's a mess. I don't talk about it. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
I don't even think about it, I just leave it as it is. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
20-year-old Michael Yorke has recently arrived at Glen Parva. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
It's his first time in prison | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
and his girlfriend is expecting their first child. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
It's still early days for me while I've been inside, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
and I've only been in a few week and that, so... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
That's probably why it's so hard, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
cos it's so early and that. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
But... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Suppose it'll be a bit better... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Well, it's not going to get better, is it? Get easier to deal with. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
If my little boy was here, it would be all right. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
I've got all faith that it's going to end well. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
It's got to. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
Michael's baby is due next month. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
He calls his pregnant girlfriend every day. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
At the end of the day, you've still got more than two weeks left. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Yeah. Should be this week, then. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
She's sitting on, you know, like, a medicine ball? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
She's going to bounce on one of them, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
-she reckons she's going to do star jumps... -Star jumps?! | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
What else? Taking these raspberry summat tablets, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
which are supposed to help the baby come on. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
I can't wait. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
It's hard, though, doing it by herself, mate. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
-When's the due date, man? -Two weeks away, mate. Two weeks on Friday. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
-She's feeling it already? -Yeah. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
The hospital says basically it's ready to come. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
We'll see, lad. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
It's been a year since my accident. A year today. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
Been out drinking with my mates, drove home... | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
and didn't make it. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Two of my best mates lost their life, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
down to my actions and that. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
In October 2011, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Michael and three friends | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
were out clubbing on a Friday night in Leicester. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
At 6:00am, after more than 12 hours of drinking, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
Michael decided to drive them home. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
He lost control of the car, killing his two best friends. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Michael was jailed for two counts of causing death by dangerous driving, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
and sentenced to five years in prison. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
-Morning. How are you doing? -Not too bad. -Yeah? | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-OK. Do you want to go to the chapel? -Yeah. -Yeah? OK, we'll go down. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
Today is the anniversary of their deaths. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
-Did you get much sleep last night? -No. -No, I didn't think you would do. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Two people have put things on Facebook, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
"Rest in peace, Sam and Matt." | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
A few people have put on that I didn't get long enough. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Every night I'll have a dream about it - | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
losing the rear end of the car and the impact of the crash. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Trying to push myself or trying to turn my head, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
look for my car, couldn't see my car or nothing... | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Just hearing Sam crying for his brother, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and his brother just obviously saying that "I can't get to him". | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
If I could choose out of having 25, 50 years in jail, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
and not having the thoughts in my head, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
I'd choose 50 years in jail, happily. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
"Death leaves a heartache no-one can heal. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
"Love leaves a memory no-one can steal. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
"Rest in peace, Sam and Matt." | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
I'll never forgive myself for it. Never. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Oh, I loved them like brothers. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
So... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
Still hear of 'em. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
OK, baby. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
If you do go into labour tonight, yeah, good luck, baby. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
It should have been me there, shouldn't it? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Right, I love you, baby. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
Yeah, what were your first visit like? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
I met him when he was ten days old, man, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
in a family visit in a different jail. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Father Christmas were there. It was Christmas time. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
-Were it? When's your... Your little boy's 5th of December? -Yeah. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
She just kind of walked over to me with this baby, man - "Here y'are"! | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
"Have him." Didn't know how to hold him or nothing. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
Max has been in prison since before his son was born. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
At 21, he's one of the oldest and longest-serving prisoners | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
in Glen Parva. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
His son, Freddie, is now almost two. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
As soon as you have them, you're no longer number one. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
He is number one. He needs me to look after him. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
He won't make the same mistakes I made. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
That's for sure. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
I was only 17. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
I was with my mates and I started shouting at a bloke. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
That's when it all kicked off. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
I hit him to the floor and then...smashed his head to pieces. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
You couldn't see his face. I thought I'd killed him. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
I don't really want to talk about it, to be honest. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
I mean...it's horrible. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
I don't even know what it felt like at the time. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
I just remember walking off. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
Wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
Five years. Five years in prison. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Today, Max's girlfriend Becca and their son, Freddie, are making | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
the two-hour journey to prison for their weekly visit. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
He's not really old enough to understand where | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
he is actually going. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
He's been doing it since he was ten days old | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
so he doesn't know any different. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I think it's important for him to see his dad and for them | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
to have a bond. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
It's just not a very nice place to go. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
20-year-old Becca met Max when she was 17. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
He's been in prison for almost two of the three years | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
they've been together. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
The majority are all young girls coming to see their boyfriends | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
with their little babies, toddlers. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I don't agree with it, but, then again, it's not down to me. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
It's down to the mums that bring them in. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
They've got to see their dad or whatever relation. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
To me, a prison isn't somewhere a child should be brought in. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
They're irresponsible. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
I'm young myself, so I don't want to sound patronising, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-but it's kids having kids. -One-parent families, aren't they? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
They've got no contact with their dad. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
They see them once a week if they are lucky. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
You know, it's just sad. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
-Rebecca? -Yeah. -Freddie with you? -Yeah. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
'It's a pain in the arse for her, travelling up here, getting searched. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
'Going through all this crap that she doesn't need to go through. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
'Every week for the last two years.' | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
Because of me. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
-You all right? -Yup. -Has he gone to the kitchen? -Huh? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
-Has he gone into the kitchen? -No. He's in the little house. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
Just think, not this year, but the year after, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
-I'll spend your birthday with you. -I know. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
You will have missed my 18th, 19th and 21st birthdays | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
being in here. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:04 | |
-You missed my 21st and my 20th. -That's not my fault, is it? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
It's your fault. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
'We'd only been together for about seven or eight | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
'months before I got pregnant. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
'Max got sent to prison two months before Freddie was born.' | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
How did you feel? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
Worried and scared and shocked. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
Knowing that I was about to do it for two and a half years, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
all by myself. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
He looks more like me than you, doesn't he? | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
Yeah. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
Do you look more like your daddy? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I missed out going to uni like a normal 18-year-old. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
I am going to go next year, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
but I can't live in halls and have a student life like everyone else. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
I've had to put everything on hold for a few years. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
Come here. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
Love you, Freddie. Little squirt. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
-Bye-bye. -I'll speak to you tomorrow. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
-I'll ring you tomorrow. -Love you. -Love you. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Bye, bye, bye. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
I was an arsehole to do what I've done. I was 17 years old, a big man. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:34 | |
I've only got myself to blame for that. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
It makes me angry when I think about it, to be honest. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Being in here... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
I've fucked my life up, kind of thing. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
I could have gone to college. I could have done a lot of stuff. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
But I didn't. I've come to prison. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
How you are you doing, Michael? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
Do you want to give your family a call? Yeah? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Michael's baby is due in less than a week. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
His girlfriend's family have sent an urgent message for him to call. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
Hello? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
You're joking! | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Is she all right? | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
Right. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Can you see the head? Do you want me to ring you back at two? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
All right, cheers. All right. Thank you, Nicola. Give her my love. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:05 | |
All right. I'll see you later. Bye. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
She's in labour. They can see the head. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
The midwife reckons she'll be back in ten minutes. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Cheers. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
What? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
INAUDIBLE DISTANT VOICE | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Huh? My missus is in labour now, bro. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Ten minutes later, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:19 | |
officers allow Michael to call his girlfriend again. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Is he here? Yeah? Is he all right? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
Are you all right? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
I'm sorry, you know. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
When is he getting weighed? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
So are you both all right? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
Good. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
I'm glad you're happy. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
At least there is... All right. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
I love you. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
When she first answered the phone, he was about five minutes old. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
I've got a little boy now. I could hear him crying in the back. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
My family's started now. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
So... | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
I just wish I weren't here. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
I should be there for her. I should be there for both of them. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-Shut my door, please. -Has she had it yet? -Yes, she has. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
-What did she have? -A little boy. -Oh, well done. -Nice one, cheers. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
-What is it? -Crumble. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
-Crumble and custard. -Oh, no! | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
8lbs 11. Massive. I just want to see him, innit? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
There is only 22 people left. Two people are going without Bingos. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
It's the famous chocolate bar. Everybody loves a Bingo. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-Young dad Ramone works on the wing servery. -I've given too many out. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Ramone's daughter is being looked after by her grandfather, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
who has never brought her to visit. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
When my baby mum was pregnant, I was committing crime. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
When my daughter was born, I was committing crime. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
I've had a criminal record since the age of 13. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
I've been in jail 26 months. I've not got to see my daughter once. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
I blame them. I blame the baby mum and I blame her dad as well. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
But me, I blame myself really because, to the bigger picture, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
it is me. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:57 | |
They didn't put me in jail. I put myself in jail. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
I don't do nothing myself. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
I don't put any food on the table, no clothes on her back. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
Nothing like that. I'm 22 years old | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
and another man's providing for my daughter. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
It's scummy, that's what it is. It's scummy. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
-You've had three doughnuts. -I've had one. -I've had no doughnuts. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Some dads choose not to have their children visit. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Stephen hasn't seen his daughters for almost two years. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
It weren't like that anyway. I was in good relationships. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
I had a job and that. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
Obviously, things can go tits-up in an instant. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
And that's what happened both times. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
-Two? -Two girls. -How old are they? -Five and two. -I bet you miss them. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Like mad. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
When you get out, you got to make up for the time. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
I've got a lot of time to make up. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
-Do they come and visit? -No. I don't want them visiting me. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:57 | |
Not nice for them or me. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
-I phone a lot. -Where do they think you are? -Naughty holiday. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
A naughty holiday? That's a different one. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
I don't want her to know because she's at that age | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
when she'll go to school and tell everybody. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
It works. She doesn't read anything into it. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
She just says "You need to stop being naughty, Daddy." | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
-Is that what she says? -Yeah. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
"If you're not naughty, you don't have to go on naughty holiday." | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Prisoners who stay in touch with their children are less | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
likely to reoffend. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
To help maintain contact, there are special family | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
visits for prisoners like Max who have been well-behaved. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
-BABY BURPS -Oh, nice! | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
MAX LAUGHS | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Unlike regular visits, Max can play freely with Freddie | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
and doesn't have to stay seated. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
"He has knobbly knees and turned-out toes, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
"and a poisonous wart at the end of his nose." | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Prisoners can also keep in touch with their kids | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
by recording bedtime stories to be sent home. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
"Silly old owl. Doesn't he know | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
"there's no such thing as a gruffalo? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
"But who is this creature with the terrible claws | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
"and the terrible teeth in his terrible jaws?" | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
' "He has knobbly knees and turned-out toes | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
' "and a poisonous wart at the end of his nose. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
' "His eyes are orange, his tongue is black | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
' "and he has purple prickles all over his back." ' | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Did your dad ever read you stories? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
No. I don't know my dad. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
What was good about your childhood? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
I put all that behind me. I don't like thinking about it. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
It's old news now, innit. I'm away from that now already. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
Forgot about it. Don't want remember about it any more. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
Don't feel like a man. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
It's hard for me to feel sad. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Yeah... | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
It's hard for me to feel something. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
-Why? -Because I've never been shown it or felt it myself. That's why. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
Michael York is also estranged from his dad, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
who was in prison when he was growing up. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
'When he were in jail, he'd ring up on 24th August | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
'and say happy birthday and that, which is the day after my birthday. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
'Didn't even know my birthday.' | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I don't want to be nothing like my real dad. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Nothing like my biological father. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Nothing. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:44 | |
But being in here just makes me... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Just makes me feel more like him every day. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
I've done some of the things that my dad had done. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
I behave and act and think, probably, the way my dad does, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
and I look...50% like my dad. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
That's good, really, cos I don't want to be nothing like the twat. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
What kind of dad do you want to be, though? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
I don't know. I just want to be the best dad I can be. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
Michael splits visits between his two sons from different mothers. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
Today, he's with his youngest, Kai. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-'Do you remember the day that Kai was born?' -'Yep.' | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
'Obviously I had a good feeling, yeah, but I was pissed off. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Sitting in jail, not getting to see it and that, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
I jumped straight on the phone and I heard him in the background, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
screaming. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:48 | |
Another baby boy. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
-HE WHISPERS: -Boy. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
Dad of two. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
Dad of two amazing little boys. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Just what I wanted. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:04 | |
'Living in jail, it's not the way forward, do you get me? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
'I need to fix up now, and get a job. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
'Missing out too much time with my kids' life, man.' | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
Even though I said that the last time, it didn't plan out that way. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
But this time... | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
determined. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
I'll do it this time, I will. I know I will... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
Not coming back, man. Staying out there for my kids, I am. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
That's sort of all I've got stuck in my head now...is just... | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
the family. Family is what matter. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
So I'll be there for them, no matter what. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
Even if I am behind a few walls. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
I'll have my day when I get released | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
and I'll be able to do whatever... Whatever they want. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
I've got... I'll have two years of making up to do, so... | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
Well, two and a half years of making up to do, so... | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
So a lot of presents coming... the kids' way. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
SHOUTING | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
To help prepare them for life outside, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
young offenders are encouraged to take part in work or education. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
With seven months left to serve, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
Max has already passed five education courses, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
got seven training certificates and worked in ten different prison jobs. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
-And prison number? -A98-62. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
He is now the only prisoner trusted to work outside the jail, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
and has a job on a local golf course. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
All right. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
I've worked for it. If you fight the system you don't get this, do ya? | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
If you work with it, then... | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
..you get rewarded. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:09 | |
-Did you have a job on the outside, Max? -Loads of different jobs. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Apprentice tree surgeon... | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
I've worked on the bins, worked in factories, worked as a chef. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
-And what do you hope to do? -Start my own business in gardening. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
Landscape gardening, bit of tree surgeon... | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
..fingers crossed. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Max is released each morning at eight | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
and must be back behind bars by 5.15pm. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Running off and getting to be with my son, my missus, like. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
That goes through my head every day. But if I did run away... | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
..I wouldn't have my family. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
So family's at stake, really, innit? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
It's the most important thing to anyone. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
-Did you ever have a job when you were out on the outside, Michael? -Nope. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Full-time criminal. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
How come you never had a job, then, Michael? | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Cos nobody would like to employ me. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
I've done better what I've done in jail | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
than what I did on the outside, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
so I started jamming with certain people... | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
..then just started smoking... | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
drinking... | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
..and then that's it. Life went down the drain for a few years. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
And then I ended up in jail. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
And then I end up in jail again, and that's the way that I am now. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Yeah... | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
That's the front page... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
"Stabbed and left for dead." | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
"Man victim of teenage centre attack by teenage robbers. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
"This was the horrific moment an innocent reveller | 0:34:56 | 0:35:01 | |
"was stabbed by two teenage thugs who tried to rob him | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
"in the heart of Birmingham city centre." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
'Just turning about 16.' | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Obviously now I look back and think that was fucked. Do you get me? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
I'm not proud of what I done | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
but obviously I made a choice to do something | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
and, therefore, ended up here, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
therefore I'm dealing with the situation. You get me? | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Do you think you'll tell your kids one day what you did? | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
-Yeah, of course I will. -What will you tell them? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
Tell them, Daddy went jail, innit? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Daddy was a fucking little crackhead. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
Fucking about on the street like a dumb little twat. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Max has applied to spend a weekend at home with Becca and Freddie. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
Home leave can help prisoners readjust to family life. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
But it hasn't been granted at Glen Parva for more than five years. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
Max must argue his case in front of a governor. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
I want to build that bond with my son | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
because I've been in prison since he was born, before he was born, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
so I've never actually been able to tuck him into bed, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
read him a story or actually spend a full day with him, so... | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
-OK. -Just building a better bond with my son, really. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
-Brief...offence details. -Mm-hm. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Max was in the company of six other males of a similar age. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
Er, attacked a victim while journeying home. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Himself and the associate had all been drinking... | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
..and it just appears that the whole lot of them | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
have ganged up on this one gentleman. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
It makes it sound a lot worse on there, to be honest. But, erm... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
Like, come up in my face and at this point, my mate hit him. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
All three of us were scuffling and... | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
it just got out of hand, to be honest. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
-Max, you got five years... -Yeah. -..for GBH with intent. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
-So let's not try and minimise that. -Yeah. -OK? | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
And on that note, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
I'm going to ask that you disappear for a little while | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
cos we're going to talk about you. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
-OK, miss, I'll go. -OK. -Shall I put him in the holding? -Yeah. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
-Thank you very much. -All right. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
It's a period of home leave. Does he actually need it? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
He's only been in jail for two years. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
I do appreciate that he is a young man | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
and two years is an awful long time. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
I understand that but that wouldn't be, for me, a reason | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
to him let go home for the weekend. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
And he will be getting released in a handful of months | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
and will, very, very quickly be Dad. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Everything so far has all been good for Max. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
You know, he's been in charge of his own destiny, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
he's had excellent support from his offender manager | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
and from his unit staff. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
Doesn't seem to have been faced with many stressful situations. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
How would he react in that? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
I have to be 100% sure that if there was an abscond, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
that the risk to the public is nil. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
I just want to tuck my son into bed, read him a story | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
and just watch him fall asleep. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
I've wanted to do that since he was born, like. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Well, I got it. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
Max's home leave has been approved. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
With his continued record of good behaviour, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
the governor has ruled that he can be trusted. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
-Not this weekend. -'Yeah.' | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
-Next weekend. -'So, it's for definite?' -Yeah. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
-'That's good then.' -Yeah. -'Yeah.' | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
-Are you happy? -'Yeah.' | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
You'll have to get the shopping in then, won't you? | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
This will be the first time Max has spent more than just a few hours | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
with Becca and Freddie in two years. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
I am looking forward to it but I'm a bit nervous | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
-cos I don't know how it's going to be. -He hasn't been home in ages. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
No, he's not been home for two years so, yeah. It's going to be weird. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:04 | |
Well, I feel like because he has been away for so long, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
he has got a lot of making up to do so he will be doing, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-like, the cooking and stuff and cleaning and... -Helping out a lot. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
-Taking Freddie out. -And you can relax. -Yeah. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
A bit nervous, to be honest. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Nervous and happy because I get to see my son and my missus but | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
nervous that they might not be ready for me to come home, kind of thing. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Been without me for two years and it'll be a big shock to them, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
won't it, having me back? | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
She thinks of me as being that 19-year-old that will punch | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
anyone's head in for no reason, kind of thing. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
Whereas now I think about things a bit more. Grown up and that. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:51 | |
Do you think you have grown apart? | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
But I think we have both invested too much in each other to | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
just give it up though. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
How is it with you and Josie at the moment? | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
-Is it OK? -I don't know, it's a bit... -It's what? A bit messed up? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
-Same as usual. -Same as usual. OK. I won't ask any more questions then. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
I kind of know the answer to that. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
Michael Rowley is due to be released in one week's time. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
He has been called for a meeting | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
to help prepare him for life on the outside. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
-So, are you in a relationship with anybody? -No. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
-Not in a relationship. -No. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
What are your plans in relation to, you know, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
-maintaining your relationships and... -Basically, just... | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
..keeping everybody happy. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
When I get out of here, what I'm basing on, yeah, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
is just getting myself straight, yeah, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
and just, basically, just having time with my kids and that, really. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
That's what I plan on doing and that. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
To just try and get on the straight and narrow, hold my head down. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
Obviously, trying to get into work, yeah, so I can keep my head straight | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
and, obviously, it's just all about my kids | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
when I get out and nothing else, man. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
I hope they see each other, like, a lot. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I don't know. That all depends on, like, Michael, really, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
and, like, the door is open for him to see his Rhys. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
He has got to want to do it but I believe that he will anyway. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
He ain't really had a chance to be a father while he is in jail | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
and I know that it's, like, he don't like the fact that he has not | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
had that chance with Rhys | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
so I think he'll be a good father. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
'Ideally, if I could choose, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
'we would be a family cos any mum would want that for their child.' | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
What is your current situation with your relationship with him? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Different. I don't... I can't think of a word. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
It's like there is something there but it's just not. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
Like, cooling off, kind of thing. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
Or what you would class as, like, a break. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
-My little man's going nursery soon and that. -First year at school. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
You are a proper angel as well when you are younger you are proper | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
-good and when you start growing up you just... -Fade away. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
Fade away like I did. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
I wish I could go back to school. School years was good. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
-They were the days. -I wish I could go back. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
They always say that, you know. "When you leave school, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
"you are all going to be wishing that you want to go back." | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
That's what I say to my little brother. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Thinking, "No, you're mad. I'm not going back to school." | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
Now when you grow up and think, "I got no qualifications." | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
-It would have been mad funny. -Going to get a shit job. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
It would have been sick. You could have done football or something. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
If I would have stuck at school, I could have been on 2012 Olympics. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
I'm telling you one thing, I would not never be here. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:02 | |
I didn't even get no exams, do no GCSEs. That's how bad that is. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
Standard. I ain't got no GCSEs, really, except for that one. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
It's not even a proper GCSE, really, to be honest with you. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
-I done it in jail. Can't class it as a GCSE. -What is it? | 0:43:15 | 0:43:21 | |
I done Olympic lifting, fitness and balanced diets and all that. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
I got A-star in that. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
What do you hope Rhys is like? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:31 | |
-Do you want his teenage years to be different to yours? -Of course. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
No messing about. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
Obviously, he is going to do what he's going to do, you get me? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
I can't, literally, stop him, yeah, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
but obviously I'm going to try my best, like, to show him the right | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
way, like, get me, show him things that he should be doing and that. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
No committing crime, no doing drugs. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Obviously, alcohol is a minor but, obviously, anything else, no. | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
Max is about to leave the prison for his weekend release. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
You are going to be a model prisoner, right, so if you do anything | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
-wrong it will come bad back on you and on the establishment. -Yeah. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
You're not supposed to be in possession of a mobile phone. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
-But I am ringing you off a landline. -Yeah. And no driving. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
Certainly no offending and, again, we have got the, you know, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
web pages, Facebook, social networking, Twitter, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
anything like that - you are not allowed any of that. All right? | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
You do know that this is an absolute... | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
I have never done this before at Glen Parva, OK? | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
-You know this is an absolute privilege for you? -Yeah. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
-So, please, don't mess it up... -I won't. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
..and use it for the purpose that you have applied. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
-Yeah. -Well done for getting it. -Thank you very much. -Right, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
-you need to go back in this way cos you need to get searched. -Cheers. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Freddie, look. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:24 | |
Let him do it himself or he's going to rub it all over his face. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
Look, he is trying to hide from you. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
It's going everywhere now. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
He is playing hide and seek with his dinner. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Don't wipe his face. He'll have a fit. He doesn't like it. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
We'll leave that to the end, shall we? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
He has changed a nappy and he has played with him a little bit | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
but that's about it. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
What is your assessment? | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
Yeah, he's getting there. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
I've got a bit more work to do yet though. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
And you can give him the yoghurt so I can go run a bath. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
Don't get him out of the highchair until I come back down. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
Where's the Petit Filous? | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
Can you watch he doesn't choke as well? | 0:46:15 | 0:46:16 | |
-Becca. -What? Behind you. -Where's the spoons? -Where the spoons are. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:21 | |
What do you mean where the spoons are? I haven't been here. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
Get one from the washing up bit, the drying bit. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
-Pour this over his head? -No, he will freak out. He doesn't like it. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
He is scared of it so don't. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
# Da-dum... # | 0:46:49 | 0:46:50 | |
Don't scare him. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
# Da-dum. # | 0:46:52 | 0:46:53 | |
Are you going up high? | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
I love you. Take care. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
-See you soon. -Yeah, give him this one. I love you. -I love you. Bye. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
No good coming back though, is it? | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Go and get your kit off. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
Yeah, I need clothes off. You all right, mate? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
Brace yourself. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:57 | |
I gave her a cuddle and that outside the prison. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
Had a little chat with her and that. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
But then when the gate opened, I walked in and the gate shut | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
and I seen on CCTV and she's driving away, that's when it fucking hit me. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
I just thought, "Fuck." | 0:48:15 | 0:48:16 | |
It was horrible. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
It was worse than getting sent down in the first place, to be honest. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
I just miss them. I miss them already. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
As soon as that gate closed, that's it, they're cut off from me. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
You know, it's just horrible. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
She is struggling for my mistakes, kind of thing. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
She hasn't done anything bad but she is being punished as well. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
So...it's harder on her than it is on me. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
I suppose it's just reaffirmed that it's what we want | 0:48:47 | 0:48:52 | |
and we need to just wait a few more months and... | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
..then we can start properly. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
The weekend was a bit of a test run to see what is to come. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
-And does it bode well? -Yeah. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
Today Michael Rowley is being released on licence | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
after serving 15 months in prison. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
He must live with his mum and obey a strict 9pm curfew. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
I ain't even trying to come back to jail. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
That is definitely not the case. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
Who knows, you get me? Who knows? | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
I don't even know myself. You get me? I don't know myself. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
Me saying it and doing it is another thing. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
In a bit, Connor. I'll meet you outside. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
In a bit, boss. In a bit, Miss Hawley, Mr Hayes. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
All right, son, see you later. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:04 | |
Listen, about half ten, right? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
In a bit. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:09 | |
'One, obviously, the main thing is don't get caught, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
'no matter what you do. Or you just stop doing it, you get me?' | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
'I am going to try and stop. I know I can.' | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
Michael has arranged for the mother of his youngest son, Kai, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
to collect him from prison. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
His other son, Rhys, and Josie are waiting at Michael's mum's | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
house, where he has agreed to meet them before 3pm. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
Where's Daddy, Rhys? Where's Daddy? | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
Gone to Mars. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Is Daddy a pain? | 0:50:56 | 0:50:57 | |
Hmm? | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
Rhys. Shut the door. See you later. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Three hours later, Michael still hasn't turned up or called. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
Josie takes Rhys home. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
Finally, he arrives at his mum's house just before his 9pm curfew. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
It's not easy, man. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
You've just got to remember, you've got two kids. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
You've got time that's got to be shared between both of them. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
I know that. I'm going to see Rhys tomorrow. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
They come first with everything else. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
It's not you, your boys or anybody else. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
It's your probation and your kids. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
I just want a couple of days to hurry up and go past, man, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
so I stop feeling weird and that. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
Head's spinning and that and it's not even from the drink. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
When are you planning on speaking to Josie? | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
I'll phone her in a bit, man. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
I'm not even in the mood at the moment. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
I just want to chill out, like. Time is going like this. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Well, it will do, Michael. It's not like inside now. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
You have got all day but time does go quick when you have got | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
-so many things to do. -You've not even got all day when | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
everything is hitting you at 100 miles an hour. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
I kind of had a feeling in the back of my head that he wouldn't show | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
and he didn't so it proved me right | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
when really he should have proved me wrong. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
But I would have thought, at least, Rhys would have been his, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
like, first priority as well as Kai, but obviously no. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
He has got other things he feels he needs to do before seeing Rhys | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
and he is all like, "Dada? Dada?" | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
And I'm like, "Yeah, we are going to see Daddy now." | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
And he is like, "Hmm." The little actions he does. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
And, obviously, he hasn't seen his Dada so... | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
Michael did come to visit Rhys the following day. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
Three months on, he continues to see his son but on his own terms. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:01 | |
And how are you managing to divide your time, Michael, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
between your two kids? | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
It's hard still. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
Have there been times when you're supposed to come to see Rhys | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
-that you haven't managed to make it? -Mm-hm. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
Obviously, it's just fucked, isn't it? | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
Obviously, it's my fault, isn't it? | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Did you ever have the experience of your dad not turning up to see you? | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
Mm-hm. You really expect your dad to come and he don't come | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
and, obviously, you get pissed off, innit? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
-But what do you plan to do from here on in? -Try and make it better. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
He needs to figure himself out cos I truly don't believe that he | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
knows who he is or what he wants and what he wants out of life. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
And he has got two kids and he's like, "What do I do?" | 0:53:53 | 0:53:58 | |
I don't want anyone to walk all over me. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Like, it's still upsetting but you just don't think about it as much | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
cos I'm not living in it any more. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
That's not my life any more. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
'Like, this is my life. Me being happy - that's all that matters.' | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
I'm doing me. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
-Thank you. -All right, mate. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
After two years in jail, Max is being transferred to an open prison | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
where he will serve the last five months of his sentence. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:32 | |
'It feels like the next step in the chain, really, doesn't it? | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
'Being at home with my missus and my son. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
'Closer in distance and closer as in, like, being free.' | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
In a year we'll both be spending our first Christmas together | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
and I will be at uni and Freddie will be in nursery | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
and hopefully Max will be working | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
and we'll just be like a normal family. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
Michael York still has 20 months of his sentence left to serve. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
He and his girlfriend broke up | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
shortly after the birth of their child. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
I seen my son once when he were two days old. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
She's not put my name on the birth certificate. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
It's just another thing so I've got no rights to him. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
Obviously, all I can do now is just try my hardest | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
and do whatever I can for him. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
He is always in my heart, always in my mind so... | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
..nothing will ever take that away. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Nothing, no matter what he does in life... | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
..he will still be my little boy. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
Nothing is going to stop me having a relationship with my son. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
Not going to happen. My son is my son, so... | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
..that's how it's going to be. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
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