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I'm Michelle Ackley. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
My parents both grew up on council estates | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
and as a family, we understand the difference social housing can make | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
to people's lives. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
Millions of families across the UK are struggling to find affordable housing. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
So this is my front room and my bedroom together. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Many are living in temporary or overcrowded conditions, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
desperate for somewhere decent to live. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
This is our room where we sleep and this is what we've got at the minute. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
We can't really call it our home. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
But some social housing tenants are abusing the system, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
holding on to properties they no longer need. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
When somebody applies for housing, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
you expect them to live in the property and when they don't, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
it does start to take the mickey. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Or even worse, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
making a small fortune by illegally subletting them. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
He was charging beyond £1,500 a month. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
He exploited this completely to his advantage. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
So I'm with housing investigators cracking down on tenancy cheats... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-What a waste. -If you want to commit tenancy fraud, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
don't bother coming here. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
..reclaiming properties... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I need to speak to you, please. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
They've seen an opportunity and they think they're not going to get caught. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..and giving them to families in genuine need. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
That's how a council house should be. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
It should be loved and looked after. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
This is Council House Crackdown. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Today, we discover how this woman swindled thousands of pounds from | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
the public purse by illegally subletting her council property. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
So she's had 19 different people living within that property. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
Yeah, well our suspicion at that point was 19 people have had some kind of | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
credit activity there, so it's very suspicious. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
Investigators uncover the truth behind a man who said he | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
lived in cramped conditions but in fact had a portfolio of not one, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
not two, not three, but four houses. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
It's very clear. He's made a false statement here and had a perfect | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
opportunity to say, "Look, hang on. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:01 | |
"I shouldn't be taking this tenancy and depriving someone else." | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
I mean, the audacity of the person is unbelievable, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
to be honest with you. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
And in east London, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
housing officers finally take back a property that's fallen into complete | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
disrepair while the tenant was living elsewhere. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
It certainly doesn't look like it's been decorated or lived in for a long, long time. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:21 | |
What a waste. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
According to research, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
nearly 100,000 social housing properties are being unlawfully sublet | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
and in a time of unprecedented demand, and so many people desperate for somewhere to live, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:42 | |
most agree this constitutes a drain on a precious | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
resource that we can ill afford. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
This two-bedroom flat in Kilburn was one of those properties being | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
illegally sublet. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
66-year-old fraudster Ingrid Schultz should have been living there | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
but Brent Council discovered that instead she was making thousands of | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
pounds by illegally subletting the property. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I've joined Dave Verma, head of the fraud team | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
that uncovered her deception. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
So, Dave, tell me a bit more about this area of London. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
So it's very up and coming. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
This is north-west six, so it's very sought after. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
The house prices are escalating at a rate of knots round here. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Outside London, the average monthly rent is less than £900. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
But in the capital it's over 1,500, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
so there's an acute demand for affordable social housing. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
So let's talk about Ingrid Schultz. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
When did she first get a property with Brent Council? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
That was in January 2003. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
Everything seemed absolutely in order and there were no suspicions | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
for many years. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
But in 2015, 12 years later, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
Brent Council received an anonymous tip-off that Ingrid Schultz was no | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
longer living here. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
So off the back of that tip off, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
you paid an unannounced visit to this property, is that right? | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Yes, the wrong person opened the door. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
So there was a lady who opened the door and she seemed to be quite evasive | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
and was saying that the genuine tenant, Ingrid Schultz, was away. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Friends, family members can, you know, can open doors. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
What was it about it that made you think, "Hold on a minute"? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
She didn't come across quite right. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
She definitely seemed to be hiding something. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
Off the back of that, some more detailed intelligence checks were done. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
The Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act gives council fraud teams | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
the powers to access someone's bank details, as well as their | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
credit history, their utility bills, and even their phone records | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
if they believe a property is being illegally sublet. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
Brent Council's fraud team quickly discovered through credit checks | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
that Ingrid Schultz was linked to a second address, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
six miles away in the borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
So where was she really living? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
In Brent or Hammersmith? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
What did you do next? | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
We felt confident to work in partnership with | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
Hammersmith and Fulham to organise joint visits, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
whereby we'd visit simultaneously this address in Brent and also that | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
one in Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
A double door knock, basically, isn't it? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
That's the bottom line, yeah. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
So you knock on the door of this property | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
where Ingrid is supposed to be living at the same time as | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
the property you suspect that she is actually living at. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
We can get an immediate snapshot view as to what the reality of the | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
matters are and we can speak to whoever we find at both properties to get | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
their view on why they are living where they're living and what the real situation is. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
So would they find Ingrid Schultz at her social housing | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
property in Brent, or at the other flat in Hammersmith? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
-What did you find? -Ingrid Schultz was actually residing, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
or appeared to be actually residing, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
at the Hammersmith and Fulham address. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
The fraud team's double door knock had caught her at the second address, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
but she claimed to have a legitimate reason for being there. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
When pressed, she was telling us that one reason she was often in | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
Hammersmith and Fulham was to look after her cats. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
She had four cats and she was telling us that they lived there because it | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
was a ground-floor property. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:10 | |
What did you think when she told you that? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Surely you thought, "The game's up, Ingrid"? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Yeah, it just doesn't hold together, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
it's not logical and we knew she was trying to fob us off. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
Ingrid Schultz's assertion that her cats had to live in Hammersmith | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
while she lived six miles away in Brent might have seemed ridiculous, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
but the investigators had to treat her claims seriously. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
In this instance, she was so adamant that she was actually residing in | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
Brent that we thought we'd give her the benefit of the doubt and arrange a | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
visit here to see her in this property. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
So a few days later, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
the fraud team visited Ingrid Schultz at her social housing flat in Brent, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
which she claimed was still her permanent address. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
She had created the facade that she was living here, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
but it was very strange because she was in the front room with a double bed in the front room. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
-So she was saying that she was living in the front room in a double bed. -Yeah. -Why? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
She said she didn't like the rear of the property for some reason | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and that she preferred to be in the front room. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
To me, honestly, it sounds quite comical, like, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
what was your reaction when she said that? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
It made us feel even more suspicious. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
What are you thinking that the actual situation is? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
It appeared very much to us that this premises had been sublet in its | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
entirety and that the different rooms had been made into bedrooms | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
that could be let out. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
It was a two-bedroom flat complete with a living room, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
so Ingrid Schultz had three rooms she could rent out separately, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
all while living in another borough a few miles away. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
She seemed to be very industrious in maximising the rental potential from | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
the social housing we'd awarded her. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Later, the full extent of Ingrid Schultz's deception is revealed. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
So she's had 19 different people living within that property? | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Yeah, well, our suspicion at that point was 19 people have had | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
some kind of credit activity there, so it's very suspicious. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
Our next case involves fraudster Kandappillai Jenopan, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
who claimed to be living in overcrowded conditions with his family. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
After a nine-year wait, he was allocated a council flat. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
But what Mr Jenopan didn't mention was that since applying for his council flat, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
he'd been busy building up an impressive property portfolio 180 | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
miles north in Scunthorpe. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
Where he owned this three-bedroomed detached property, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
this two-bed terrace, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
this three-bed terraced house... | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Oh, and also this three-bedroom detached property. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Very nice, too. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
Greenwich, south-east London. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
In this highly sought after borough, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
there are over 16,000 people waiting to be housed, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
while around 250 new applicants join the queue every month. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
So it's vital for the council to tackle those tenancy cheats. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
Kandappillai Jenopan registered for council housing in the year 2000. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
After a nine-year wait, he was finally allocated this one-bed flat. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
Surprisingly, after only three years, out of the blue, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
he handed in the keys and gave the property back. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
After waiting so long, this sudden change of heart aroused suspicions, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
so the Royal Borough of Greenwich fraud team ran some financial checks. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
And we found fairly instantly that he had links to Scunthorpe area. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
We also found that he had business links to Scunthorpe in the fact that | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
he owned a franchise, or ran a franchise, of petrol garages in that area. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
What we had to do was look at Mr Jenopan's original application. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
That was a long time ago, in 2000. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
And this is what he wrote. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
"I have been living with my brother. It's a one-bedroom flat. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
"He's got married and I am sleeping visiting hall. It is uncomfortable | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
"for me and them. Also I am going college. It's affecting my studies | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
"as well." | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
So basically he's saying he's overcrowded. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
When he accepted his council property, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Mr Jenopan had to sign a tenancy agreement stating that his situation hadn't changed. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
Here's the tenancy here. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
This is important because this is a date when on 7th May 2009, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
he signed this form to say that he didn't have anywhere else to live | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
and that he had no changes to his circumstances. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
I mean, nine years have elapsed since he put his housing application in, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
so people's circumstances do change. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
In May 2009, he declared to us that his circumstances were still the same, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
that he had no other accommodation to live in, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
that he was still living with his relatives in the property in Greenwich, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
but we found that wasn't true. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
The fraud team knew about his connections | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
to the Scunthorpe area, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
so they decided to contact North Lincolnshire Council to see what | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
information they held on Mr Jenopan. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Most councils do talk to each other. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
We would send, quite routinely, a Data Protection Act inquiry | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
to another council and they would normally respond | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
pretty quickly back. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
In North Lincolnshire, Hannah Leigh Watson is the fraud investigator who | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
dealt with the case. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
-Hi, there! -Hi, nice to meet you. -Lovely to meet you, I'm Michelle. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
-Hi, this way. -Thanks. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Back in July last year, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
we were contacted by an investigator at the Royal Greenwich regarding | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
information we held on Mr Jenopan. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
How did you kind of track down the details? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
What kind of things do you need to go through in order to build up the evidence? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
We checked through all the council records we held, which was using council tax documentation, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
and if he had ever claimed any housing benefits or council tax reduction at a point. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
We also used our electoral roll, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
just to see who was registered where. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
So the council tax records showed that Mr Jenopan was in fact living up here, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
as well as having the council property down south. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
It turned out he had four properties in this authority, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
which he was renting out to other people. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Oh, my gosh. So at the time when he was allocated a council property | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
down in Greenwich, he had four properties up here in Scunthorpe. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
-I mean, that is pretty damning, isn't it? -It is, yes. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
It proves that working and sharing information works. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
That if we contact each other and help each other out, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
we can get to the bottom of these investigations. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
People will commit fraud all over the country. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
It just proves that eventually they will get caught out. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
North Lincolnshire Council records proved beyond doubt that he had amassed | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
a varied portfolio of properties in the area | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
and that he was also living in one of them. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
I've been in the council 20 years now and in the last few years, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
there's so much more sharing with data than there was ever before. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
And it's through the sharing of information that you find out more about people. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
I mean, in this case, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
North Lincolnshire helped us because they were unable to confirm to us | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
that Mr Jenopan had been living up there. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
North Lincolnshire Council had concrete evidence that Mr Jenopan and his wife | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
had been living in the area since May 2010, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
precisely the time he was supposed to be living in his council flat | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
180 miles away in Greenwich. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Indeed, it wasn't just a record, it was something that he had physically | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
rung up about himself and they had | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
a record of that, to say that he was living up there. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Within a year of having his property, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
evidence certainly suggested that Mr Jenopan hadn't moved into our address at all. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
If he did ever live out our address in Greenwich, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
he was only there for a year. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
It's very clear he's made a false statement here, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
he already owned four houses and had a perfect opportunity to say, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
"Look, hang on, I shouldn't be taking this tenancy and depriving someone else, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
"I don't want it because I've got four other places to go and live in." | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
I mean, the audacity of the person is unbelievable, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
to be honest with you. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
Before accepting a social housing property, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
tenants have to tell the council of any change in circumstance that may | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
affect their housing application, such as getting married, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
having children or becoming a property owner. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
In this case, the tenant had been lying about his circumstances | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
and there was more. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
There was many names on the address. Don't forget, this is a one-bedroom flat. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
You'd only normally expect to see one person registered for council tax there. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
But there were several on the credit checks, which was implying that he had rented it out. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
Later, the investigators confront the fraudster. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
The evidence was conclusive. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
I think he realised that. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
There was no way he was going to escape a summons from us for a prosecution. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
If you're a tenant and you no longer need your social housing property, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
you're supposed to notify the council and hand the keys back. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Failure to do so is not only a breach of tenancy, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
it's also depriving other individuals and families on the waiting list | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
who need somewhere to live. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
As part of a crackdown on tenancy fraud, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Havering Council in east London recently offered a £500 reward | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
to anyone providing a tip-off leading to a property being recovered. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
In the last 18 months, 35 properties have been reclaimed. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Some have been fraud cases, but others have involved breaches of tenancy. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Our next case involves a two-bedroom council house that was abandoned and | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
may have been lying empty for years. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
It was awful. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
I mean, there was still a broken window at the back that had never been fixed. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
The garden was so overgrown that you really couldn't see into it | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
and I think the neighbours were concerned there could be rats. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
Lorraine Van Dam is a housing officer at Havering Council. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
The house is on her patch. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
And according to neighbours, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
the tenant hasn't been seen living at the house for years. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
We got a tip-off from an anonymous letter, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
stating one, that the garden was overgrown and two, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
that this particular person was living with a sibling | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
in another local address. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
It states that the gentleman who lives in the address we're going | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
to go to has been living with his sibling at one of our other properties, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
one of our other properties, for at least three years. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
He only visits this property a couple of times a week | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
to pick up mail. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
The anonymous person said, "I don't think it is right that he has | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
"got away with this for three years." | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
"It would be the right thing to do to investigate this matter." | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
This letter is obviously somebody | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
who really cares about this community | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
and really sees the unjust of this gentleman | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
and the way he's abusing his tenancy. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
You can see the dirt and everything and that's been like that for ages. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
And the boarding there. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
It's annoying because, at the end of the day, if someone was living there, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
there's no reason this property should be in this state. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Lorraine tried to contact the tenant by letter and by calling round, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
but she couldn't get a response, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
which only reinforced her belief that he was no longer residing at the house. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
This, together with the neglect of the property, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
was a serious breach of his tenancy agreement. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
So she referred the case to Havering Council's fraud team. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Former police officer Dave Gill took on the case. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Whilst my main duty is to investigate fraud, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
it's always done with that social aspect in mind | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
that this is a property that could and should be being used | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
for a family in genuine, real need. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Dave delved into the two-bedroom property's tenancy history | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
and found the man had moved there in the '70s with his mother. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
In 2010, his elderly mother had assigned the tenancy to him. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
This is known as succession. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
One of the fundamental rules of succession is that you must have | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
been residing in the property for 12 months. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
As part of his investigation, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
Dave examined the repair history and utility bills of the house. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
He soon discovered that there had been little activity at the property since 2013. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
So we asked this tenant to come in and we put all the evidence that we'd gathered to him. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
It was to give that tenant their opportunity to give us | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
an account of what had happened, really, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
to explain their circumstances and why we'd ended up in this situation. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
The tenant came in for questioning. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
When he was talking, it was obvious that he wasn't living there. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
He explained that him and his sibling wanted to live | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
somewhere else, outside the borough. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
So I just served him with a Notice to Quit, there and then. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
But he refused to give the property back and today, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
Havering Council plan to evict him. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
The Notice to Quit, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
asking the tenant to vacate the property within 28 days, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
expired around three or four months ago now. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
So today really is it. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
There's no more delays or any other part of the process that we need to | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
go through or complete. We will be getting the property back today. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
I received a telephone call yesterday | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
saying that he hadn't cleared all his property out. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
So, I said well, do as best you can and what he said, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
he was going to stay there last night to try and move some of the bits. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
At 12 o'clock we shall carry out the eviction and we'll see what's | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
left in the property. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
But at the last minute, the eviction is called off. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
The tenant relents and hands in the keys. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
He's decided to relinquish the tenancy. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
It was initially an eviction but then the tenant has now given the keys | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
back to us, so the property is back in our possession. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
So now, for the first time in years, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
the council can have access to this valuable social housing. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
But there's a problem. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
He's taken the Yale lock, I think. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
I don't think I've been given that. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
He hasn't given back all the keys. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
The only thing I could see is if we could have access to the back | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
because I've got a back door key. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
Lorraine doesn't give up that easily. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
She heads round the back to try and gain entry through the rear garden. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
But she can't believe the site that greets her. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I don't think we're going to get access, somehow. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
The state of the back garden is... | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
Well, indescribable. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
It's in a disgusting state. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
The garden is so overgrown that the back door is completely inaccessible. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
I'm just going to take pictures. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
It's obvious I'm not going to get into the property today from | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
the back garden, so we're going to have to try and arrange access another day. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
But, as you can see, this is unbelievable. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Later, Lorraine finally gets inside the house and is shocked by what she finds. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
Wow. One very unloved house, I think. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
Back in Brent, we heard how the council's fraud team had become suspicious | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
that Ingrid Shultz was actually living in Hammersmith whilst illegally | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
subletting her social housing flat. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
It appeared very much to us that this premises had been sublet in its | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
entirety and that the different rooms had been made into bedrooms that could be let out. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:41 | |
But when questioned, Ingrid Schultz denied everything. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
She was telling us that one reason she was often in Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
was to look after her cat. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Dave Verma and his counter-fraud team have recovered 60 properties in | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
the last 12 months. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
I'm not sure people realise that we have professional teams of | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
investigators who are very highly trained, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
who are not going to be fobbed off, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
who are going to be very tenacious and try to get | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
to the bottom of things and try and do the right thing for the public purse. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
And that's exactly what they did. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Utilising the law to forensically examine the financial activities at | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
Ingrid Schultz's flat. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
So in order to confirm your suspicions of Ingrid Schultz, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
-you obviously needed that solid body of evidence. -Sure. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
This first piece of paperwork here shows, indeed, that Ingrid Schultz | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
is at the property and she's got various credit going on there, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
various activity, as we'd expect. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
However, on the second page... | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
This is quite surprising. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
This shows no less than 19 different people having some sort of credit | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
activity at the property. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
-19? -Yes. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
So she's had 19 different people living within that property. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Yeah, well, our suspicion at that point was 19 people have had some | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
kind of credit activity there. So it's very suspicious. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Oh, my gosh. And then if you couple that with her bank account details, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
what did that help to confirm? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Well, when we used our powers under the Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
to actually get her bank statements in, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
these very quickly indicated that there was a problem. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Because right here on the first page we've got the word rent, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
paid in, and then an amount. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
It's incredibly clear. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
Pretty clear. Moving through the bank statement, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
that kind of activity is replicated on various pages. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
-Yeah. -So here we have the word rent and again, 520... | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
-Yeah. -And here, Kilburn rent, which is clearly our property. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
It's very specific, isn't it? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
And then again, 520. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:45 | |
With two bedrooms and a mattress in the living room, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
Ingrid Schultz could have been renting out all three rooms. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
At £520 per room per month, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
she could have been taking in over £1,500 a month. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
And how much was she paying the council? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
On average, that was £150 per week. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
That means a potential profit of over £900 a month from illegally | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
subletting her Brent flat. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
So she was making a tidy profit from this, wasn't she? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
She was, because at any given time, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
she was renting between two and sometimes three rooms in the property. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
That is amazing. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
And when you're grabbing all this evidence together and clearly this | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
is a property that could go to someone in genuine need, what are you thinking? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
Well, someone's making a profit. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
A very good one at that. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
The bank statements also revealed exactly how she was running her sublet scam. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
From the bank statements, we got a very good clue and that led us to a | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
prominent website where people advertise rooms. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
So she was advertising your council property for private rent. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
-Yeah. -Let's have a look at the information. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
-So, what's this one? -Gorgeous double room, flat-share in Brondesbury. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
And here we have £145 per week. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
It's telling us it's 5-10 minutes' walk from Brondesbury station. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
The availability is now, minimum term three months, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
maximum term none. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
So it would look to anybody as if it was a genuine room offer. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:20 | |
This woman was just coining in money, wasn't she? | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
Well, there's a significant opportunity to make illegal profit, yes. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
And she really cashed it in. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Ingrid Schultz pleaded guilty to subletting her social housing property in | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Kilburn and making an unlawful profit of over £10,000. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
On the 16th of February 2017, she appeared for sentencing. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
And Dave Verma was at court to witness the outcome. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
So, we take this very seriously at Brent Council and we spend quite | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
considerable resources to investigate these matters and bring | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
the perpetrators to justice. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
The maximum penalty for this offence is a two-year jail sentence or a hefty fine. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:02 | |
I've been working in criminal investigations for some 25 years now. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
It always pleases me when justice is served. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
The judge deliberated over the amount of profit she made and he came to a decision. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
And Ingrid Schultz has just been sentenced to 12 months, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
suspended for two years, which I think's a very good result, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
bearing in mind all the circumstances of the case. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
She'll also have to pay back over £10,000 in unlawful profit and | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
£5,000 in costs. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
It is days like this that makes our job as fraud investigators well | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
worthwhile. Many, many hours go into investigating cases like this, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
preparing evidence bundles, presenting them at court, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
being cross-examined and, yes, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
it's moments like this that make it all worthwhile when we can hopefully | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
send out a very strong message that we take this seriously and are here | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
for the community to eradicate housing fraud. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Earlier, we heard how Mr Jenopan was supposed to be living in a one-bed | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
council flat in Greenwich, when in reality, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
he'd built up a small property empire 180 miles north in Scunthorpe. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
Mr Jenopan owned four houses in total. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
He lived in one with his family and the other three properties he rented out. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
After months of analysis, Greenwich council's fraud team, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
including investigator Karen Evans, had built up their case. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
They headed north and called Mr Jenopan in for a formal interview | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
at North Lincolnshire Council offices. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
It's not necessarily an arrestable offence that has been committed, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
so it's not like a police interview under caution. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
You know, you invite somebody in for interview, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
they have no obligation to attend or not. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
So you try as best you can to get them in for interview and that's | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
exactly what we did. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
Mr Jenopan did attend the interview and Karen was able to | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
put the fraud team's findings to him. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
After showing him the evidence that we had, all the land registries, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
all of the, erm, or some of the mortgage applications, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
proof of him registering himself as liable for council tax at those | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
properties sometimes, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
proof of him renting them out to various tenants over the years, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
the evidence was conclusive. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
I think he realised that. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
Mr Jenopan admitted owning four properties, but claimed he was renting them out | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
and not actually living in any of them. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
Mr Jenopan's quite a successful businessman, from what we know. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
He has numerous franchises in Scunthorpe. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
And he was employing people that he would put into his houses | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
in Scunthorpe and occasionally popping back to London. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
That was his story. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
I think he was playing on the naivete side of things but I think he most | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
probably was aware that if he was to stick to that story, that he didn't | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
realise he should tell us about the property ownership, that if | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
he maintained that he lived at the property with us, that maybe the case would go away. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
But that clearly wasn't the case. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Our evidence we had on this case was overwhelming and there was no way he | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
was going to escape a summons from us for a prosecution. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
The evidence provided by North Lincolnshire Council was all the proof that | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
Nigel and the team needed. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
Ultimately, he had deprived someone in genuine need for a period of | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
three years of a very nice flat in the Greenwich area. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
A nice one-bedroomed that someone else could have had. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
It was just a no-brainer really that there was no other way than a | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
prosecution for Mr Jenopan. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
In October 2016, Mr Jenopan pleaded guilty to two offences | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
under the Fraud Act. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
The matter was passed to Crown Court for sentencing. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
To admit his guilt at court proved our case that he had been living in | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Scunthorpe almost the whole period of time. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Two months later, Mr Jenopan received a 20-month prison sentence, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
suspended for two years, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
120 hours of community service and he was ordered to compensate the | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
council for their financial losses. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
A total of more than £29,000. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
How that's worked out is for the three years that Mr Jenopan | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
deprived us of the use of our property, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
we've had to house somebody else in a one-bedroom property | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
at a temporary accommodation cost, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
so we calculate the amount of money that he's defrauded from us | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
in that respect and cost us and the judge awarded us £29,000. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
He told him that by Christmas, only a month's time, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
he had to pay £10,000 to us. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
And then the remainder's being paid now by £650 per month. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
I mean, to see somebody be ordered to pay back money to us is great | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
satisfaction from the council's point of view. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
Not only can we then use that money back for the homeless people in the | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
borough, and maybe to rehouse people in temporary accommodation to offset | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
some of our very high costs that we pay, but the good thing is, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
it would be a real lesson to Mr Jenopan. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
A two-year suspended sentence for some people would be, well, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
I got away with it. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
But to actually have to pay £29,000, to me, isn't getting away with it. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
That's a lot of money that anybody would have to find. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
And I'm sure that hurt him. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
Mr Jenopan's one-bedroom council flat has now been re-let. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
But across the UK, the housing crisis is continuing to bite. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
I'd be very upset if I knew that people were lying to get ahead on | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
the property ladder. It's not fair. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
You know, I think we all should have a fair chance | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
at accessing these things. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
And when people are taking it away from others, it's not right. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
I'm not on social housing myself but I know people that | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
are and I know how hard it is to get social housing. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
I know there's people been on the list for about five, six years, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
who are still waiting now. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
And it doesn't look like it's showing any signs of kind of easing up or anything like that at all. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
If you've not got that stress and you know you've got your housing, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
the house, I think, is probably the most important thing in your life. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
If you've got a house, you've got a home, and I think the home is the thing. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
You've got a house, you've got a home. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Earlier, Havering Council were investigating an anonymous tip-off that one | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
of their two-bedroom social housing properties had been abandoned and | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
fallen into disrepair. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
It was initially an eviction but then the tenant has now given the keys back to us. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:15 | |
So the property is back in our possession. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Now, Lorraine is finally hoping to gain access to the property. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
The tenant moved out years ago but hadn't told anyone. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
A serious breach of his tenancy. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
We're expecting to see what condition the property's in. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
Because we have to do a quick turnaround so it can be re-let. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
Although, having said that, it doesn't look like the property's been... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
Had any of the decent works installed, so it will need a new kitchen, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
new bathroom, before we can let it out to a tenant. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
With the average waiting time for social housing property in Havering | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
being well over two years, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
housing officer Lorraine is keen to get the property back into use as | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
quickly as possible. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
Looking at the front garden, there's been no work done there for quite some time. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
When someone moves into a social housing property, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
they become responsible for maintaining all parts of the home, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
including both front and back gardens. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
Wow. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
The floors and carpets are coated in layers of dust, grease and grime. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
Certainly doesn't look like it's been decorated or lived in for years. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Tenants must keep their social housing in a decent state. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
Failure to do so is a further breach of tenancy. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
The back garden is so overgrown and it certainly hasn't been cut back for years. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
I really don't want to open the door. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I fear what might run in the house. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
It smells damp, it smells stale. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
Very, very untidy. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
Well, dirty. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Have a look at the kitchen. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
It's certainly of a very, very old standard. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
It certainly hasn't had a new kitchen since probably when the property was built. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:29 | |
We're going to be charged quite a bit to get this cleared. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
Lifting all the carpets. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
The whole house has got to be decorated. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
It's vital that the council get this property into a fit state as quickly | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
as possible so a new family can move in. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Right, I'm entering one of the two bedrooms, which... | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
..as you can see, it hasn't been lived in for quite some time. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
The decoration is ancient. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Bus pass there dated 4th December 1989. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
It's just so unused and so... | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
What a waste. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
Under the terms of his tenancy, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
this tenant should have notified the council if he was going to be away | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
from his property for over 28 days. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Failure to do so is unauthorised abandonment. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
The property is going to take a long time, longer than normal, to turn around. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
To get this habitable. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Here is the bathroom. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
Once again, it shows that it hasn't been used for quite some time. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
As you can see by the... | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
..cleanliness of the bath. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
That obviously hasn't been used for quite a while. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
The fact that he wasn't living in it is irrelevant. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
The decoration, he should have still maintained decoration while he was still living in the | 0:36:14 | 0:36:20 | |
property, as he claims he's been out of the property for a couple of years. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
I'm sorry, this is evidence that he's been out of the property for many more years. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:32 | |
One very unloved house, I think. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
Can't believe what a waste. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
What a waste this is. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Due to the level of neglect, it will take many weeks | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
and many thousands of pounds to get this property | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
back to a liveable state and rented out to a family who genuinely need it. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
Since 2014 in the East End of London, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Tower Hamlets Council has successfully recovered 28 properties as a result | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
of fraud-related investigations. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Are you going to go back on the slide? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
Amy Sictorness and her daughter Lucia were on the social housing waiting list | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
for three years and applied for more than 200 properties before finally | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
getting a two-bedroom flat. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
KNOCKING | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
-Nearly there. -Yeah. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Hi, Amy, nice to meet you. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
-This is Lucia. -Hi, Lucia. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
-Say hello. -Hi. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
So, what have we got here then? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
So, this is my two-bedroom flat. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
In here, this is the living room. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
It's nice and bright and big, isn't it? | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
It is a really nice size. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
So, tell me about your situation before you moved into this property. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
-Where were you living? -I was just living over the road with my mum in | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
another two-bedroom flat, my mum and my twin sister. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
And, obviously, me and my twin, we shared a room. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
Amy desperately needed a place of her own, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
but she had no choice but to wait. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Just one room, you've got the baby's cot in there, obviously, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
mine and my sister's bed, all the baby's stuff. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
It's funny, because one little person just takes up so much room. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
It's mad. It's very overcrowded and I think it must have been very stressful for my sister as well. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
A privately rented two-bedroom flat in this area can cost over £2,200 | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
per month, well beyond Amy's price range. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Reluctantly, she turned to the council for help. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
I went down to the council and put my name on their housing list. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
And I was bidding for about three, four years. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
Three or four years? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
Yeah, I bid on over 200 places before I got to view this one. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
Did you lose heart at any point? | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
I did get to view some properties and that, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
but obviously people was always in front of me. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
And obviously they accepted it. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
And every time I'd feel gutted. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:06 | |
I'd be the third person that gets refusal on it | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
and I'd get to go and view the property and you just stand there | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
thinking, "Please don't accept it, please don't accept it, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
"so I can have it." And then I'd walk home, I'd ring my mum and I'd cry. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
I'd be like, "I didn't get it again." | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
For Amy's mum Julie, it was also crucial that her daughter | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
and granddaughter were able to live close by. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
How would you have felt if, you know, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Amy had been given a property or offered a property that wasn't so close to you? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
That, actually, would have upset me because, you know, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
we've always been close | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
and from when Lucia was born, they was living with me, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
so I've got to see her first, you know, steps kind of thing, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
and then for her to have sort of moved out, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
I would have been concerned about her because, you know, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
I'm on hand if anything happens. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
You know, I'm always sort of, I can be, you know, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
I can be there in five minutes kind of thing. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
If she was living out of the borough with no family, you know, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
what would she do? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
What would she do being on her own? | 0:40:01 | 0:40:02 | |
But in November 2015, Tower Hamlets Council held an amnesty to encourage tenancy cheats to hand | 0:40:04 | 0:40:10 | |
back keys without consequence or risk of court action. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
They got back properties worth £13 million. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
Amy's was one of the first flats they recovered. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
I couldn't have been happier, especially just when it said a two-bedroom as well. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
I thought all my Christmases had come at once. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
The fact that I did get it just shows me that there is hope | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
because there's a lot of people that's in the same situation that I was | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
and obviously losing hope and that sort of thing is horrible, so, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
just fingers crossed they carry on with what they're doing and other | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
people do get offered properties like this as well. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
When Amy got the letter for this property, how did you feel? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
Could not believe it. Really excited. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Really, you know, never wanted her to leave home kind of thing, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
but so excited that she had got her own home and the fact that it was so close. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
We already knew this estate because my sister had lived at the block at the end, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
my great nan had lived on this estate when it first opened, so, you know, five minutes from me. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
It was really exciting that she was getting her own home and, sort of, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
starting off on her own kind of thing, you know, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
creating her own sort of new little life with her little family. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
Amy's family have been in the area for generations | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
and bringing up a young child, it's important for her to have a support | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
network close by. But this isn't always possible. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
The number of homeless families being relocated outside London has | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
increased fivefold in the last decade. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
And now you've got your own place, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
what difference has this place made to your life? | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
Well, obviously, it's just over the road from my mum, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
I've got a lot of support, it's just over the road from my mum's sister. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
I've always grown up in Bethnal Green. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
My mum, even like my nan and my grandad, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
their nans and grandads, we've all been born and bred in Bethnal Green. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
So, it's all we know, so if I would have had to have moved out, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
I would have been lost. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
So, that's why this area, in terms of finding a suitable council property, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
-is so important to you? -Yeah, definitely. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
Even when Lucia goes to nursery, my mum will be able to help | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
because obviously then I'll go back to work. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
And talking about work, obviously that's important to you, isn't it? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
You've got a really strong work ethic and it's important to you to show your daughter that as well. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
Yeah, definitely. I've always worked, I like working. I can't sit at home all day bored, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
do you know what I mean? I worked right up until three weeks before I | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
had Lucia. So once Lucia's two, she'll go to nursery and I'll definitely get | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
myself back into work. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
And is something that when you got this property, you were thinking, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
"Yes, now this gives me a base in order to kind of carry on | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
"with my future and, you know, think about those type of things?" | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
Yeah, definitely. When obviously, like, I started a family sort of thing, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
you do think about, obviously, once she grows up, she goes to school, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
you go out to work in the morning and that sort of thing, like, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
how am I going to do all that happily from one room in my mum's? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Do you know what I mean? It's nice to have your own house. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
It's all about growing up in a way, ain't it? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
With her family supporting her, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
Amy's looking to return to work as soon as possible. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
Amy's story shows how social housing can have a real, positive impact, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
not just on individuals, but on entire families. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
And it's stories like this that motivate housing investigators | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
as they continue in their fight to crack down on tenancy fraud. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 |