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Behind every crime lies a hidden story -

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one that goes beyond the news headlines.

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Tomorrow, Anders Breivik will be sentenced for his attack in Norway.

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77 died, but what happened to the hundreds of survivors?

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Last month, 12 were killed at a Batman film screening in Colorado,

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but it's the ones who escaped with their lives

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who have to live with the memory.

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Once the cameras have moved on and the lights are down,

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it's those who are left who have to pick up the pieces.

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Here on Crimewatch we see hundreds of people who've been caught in the crossfire,

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but what happens in the months and years after?

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In this programme, I'm going to meet with survivors

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as they share the moments when their lives were changed in an instant.

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From the Cumbrian shootings by taxi driver Derrick Bird...

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The sight of the explosion coming from the end of the barrels.

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I remember the heat.

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White. White hot, too.

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..to the real IRA shooting of unarmed soldiers...

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RAPID GUNFIRE

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..ambushed as they collected pizza outside their barracks.

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As I put my hand up, like this,

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they shot through my hand and skimmed my head.

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I'm dead. That's what I thought.

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They'll share their journeys of recovery,

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from the New Year drive-by shooting in Birmingham almost a decade ago...

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It changed my life.

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And it changed my life forever.

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I just don't talk to anyone about it, I just keep it all inside.

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..to the murder of toddler James Bulger.

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I'll be meeting his mother to see how nearly 20 years

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of fighting for justice has shaped her life.

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I am a mum. I've got three boys there who need me.

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I will not let Thompson and Venables

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ruin what I've got in my life now because I HAVE moved on.

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This is a story about human resilience,

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our ability to fight back

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and find new opportunity in the face of loss.

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Can survivors of violent crime ever truly recover?

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Sh...

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What are you doing?

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This programme contains some strong language

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This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting

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'Good evening. The two soldiers killed in Northern Ireland

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'over the weekend have been named as Sapper Patrick Azimkar

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'and Sapper Mark Quinsey. Police investigating the murders

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'have revealed that dozens of shots were fired in the attack...'

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March 2009. Antrim, Northern Ireland.

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These soldiers were about to fly to Afghanistan.

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They'd stepped outside their barracks

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to collect a pizza delivery, a final home comfort.

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But moments after this CCTV image was recorded,

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they were attacked by the Real IRA.

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Two of them died at the scene.

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Mark is one of the survivors. He was seriously injured

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and discharged from the army on medical grounds,

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but when he returned to his hometown in South Wales

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it was the mental trauma that hit him the hardest.

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There it is.

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That blue door.

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I lived up in that top left-hand flat...

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..for about four months.

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Where I spent my darkest days.

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Mark witnessed the execution of his best friend, Pat,

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and since that day he's been battling with survivor guilt.

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After I got shot, I've put on four stone.

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You know, I've had kidney problems, stomach problems.

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I've had beards down to here, I've had...you know.

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I just lost all control of myself

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and, you know, I was just...

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Just quite scruffy, really.

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Whoever I thought weren't a nice person, I'd...you know.

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I'd take the law into my own hands, which I shouldn't have.

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-Do you think you may be felt that you shouldn't be alive?

-Yeah.

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I was walking around thinking I was like a ghost

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for the first year or two.

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I just didn't think I was...alive.

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It was such a mad experience.

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It brings so much... The physical stuff...

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The mental side of it - why did I survive? Why me?

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Why not one of the others, you know?

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After the attack, Mark started getting into fights.

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I was very afraid that night and, you know, I'm a man,

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I've never been that afraid before and it took a dent out of my manhood.

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I quite possibly wanted to prove to myself, you know,

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that I was, you know...a man, like.

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Five years I'd been in the army and I hadn't done anything,

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you know, as a soldier I just wanted to get out there

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and do what I was supposed to do.

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Just in case, for instance, you don't come home,

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you've got to pack all your boxes

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into a military box and a civilian box,

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so, like, you prepare for that.

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We were doing, sort of, letters to your loved ones,

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which wasn't to be opened unless you died.

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Obviously it was dangerous, but you'd been training so long for it

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you just wanted to get out there and get going,

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but it ended before it began, really, for me,

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but I was looking forward to it. I was.

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Mark was about to embark on his first tour of Afghanistan.

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His regiment, the 38th Royal Engineers,

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was packed down and their flight only a few hours away.

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We just thought we may as well get a final supper,

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so to speak, before we went to Afghan.

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But as Mark and his friends went to pick up the pizzas,

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they walked straight into an ambush.

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Well, I didn't actually see it - I just heard everything.

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The minute you heard that sound, what did you think it was?

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A falling tree or something like that. Because of the echo.

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RAPID GUNFIRE

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The Real IRA unleashed a hail of automatic weapon fire.

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The soldiers were cornered and unarmed.

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As Mark fell to the ground, his best friend, Pat,

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landed on top of him, taking the initial gunfire.

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I thought, "What the hell am I in?" You know? I didn't know what to do.

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I seen they were executing people on the floor.

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RAPID GUNFIRE

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I knew if I'd run I'd get killed,

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so I jumped in the car for cover

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and the guy looked inside the car - he was literally by the bonnet.

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-This is the killer?

-Yeah.

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He was by the bonnet and he just looked at me

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and when I seen his eyes... Oof.

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He just slowly, as if not a care in the world,

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walked around to the driver's side of the window,

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finished my best mate off.

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I was trying to get out the other side of the door.

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I managed to grip the other guy by his belt, pull him over

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so just his, sort of, bum was showing

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and he just shot through all the car,

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shot me four times, shot him a couple of times.

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I've been shot in the lung, I've been shot in the shoulder.

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It was as if I got hit on the head with a shovel.

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It was just constantly ringing.

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As I put my hand up like this,

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he shot through my hand and skimmed my head.

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"I'm dead." That's what I thought.

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I accepted it. It was as if... sort of, a weight had been lifted.

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I just decided, you know, to relax and then I thought -

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something came over me -

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I just thought, "Not today," type of thing and I just got up.

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At least, I was thinking, I'll die trying, innit?

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As you ran away, was there time to think about your friend?

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I glanced towards Pat just to... Just to... I don't know.

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See if he was all right, but obviously I knew I weren't all right.

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I knew the circumstances.

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It's not as if I could have just stopped, you know?

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I kind of expected - I knew - I'd seen bullet holes in him.

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If I was stood in a different way to where the first gunshots happened,

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I would have died, and say Pat or Mark was standing where I was,

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it would have given them that chance to survive, do you know what I mean?

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You know, like, Pat was my shield, type of thing.

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I know he wouldn't have wanted me to die.

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SIRENS WAIL

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PANICKED SHOUTING

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More than 60 bullets were fired that night in just over 30 seconds.

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Despite having a punctured lung and four serious gunshot wounds,

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Mark had escaped with his life.

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But it's the loss he experienced that would have the greatest effect.

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Obviously I was expecting maybe to get shot in wars,

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something like that, but, you know, it was such a mad experience.

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It still hasn't sunk in, to be honest.

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It's made me not want to die alone.

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-Yeah, it has made me... Sorry.

-It's all right.

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BABY CRIES

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All right.

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Do you want me to have him?

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One year after the shooting, Mark met Sophie

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and this year he became a dad.

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Sh...

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What are you doing?

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CRYING STOPS

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I knew you'd hit Daddy. He likes hitting me in the face.

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BABY STARTS CRYING

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Since we've had the baby we haven't had no bad dreams

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or we haven't woken up crying,

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cos, you know, he's not thinking about it, I suppose.

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He's more thinking about the baby.

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When I cry, I don't bawl my eyes out, like.

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-I just... You know, I'm upset.

-Yeah, OK.

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-OK.

-A bit teary.

-Bit teary, yeah.

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At first it was hard, because,

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-you know, because...

-I was a bit unpredictable.

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I'd just go down the shop

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-and all of a sudden I would end up drinking all night and day.

-Yeah.

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It was obviously frustrating for her.

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-You're engaged. You've got a new baby boy.

-Yeah.

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Just a few weeks old now, how's he doing?

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He's pukka.

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He's crying a bit, but that's what you expect.

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-You doing the feeds?

-Yeah.

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-I just do the day feeds.

-OK. The easy shift.

-Yeah.

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-He's lush.

-Perfect.

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When she was pregnant, I never...

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you can't get your head round having a kid, until he's actually there.

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And then you think, "Whoa!" It's a baby, I've got to look after.

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I think, when we going to give him back? But he's here for life!

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It's bad, like. This is it now.

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Which I'm happy with.

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I was thinking about going to college in September, so,

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I'm not sure yet, I'd best get a move on.

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You know, get picking a course and that.

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Pretty soon, I'll be, y'know...

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I think, it's only work that's separating me from being,

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not fully recovered, but back on...

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the right path.

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If you and I were to meet in ten years' time

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and we were to sit down, what would you like to tell me

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about your life, what would you like the next ten years to be?

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I think, in the next ten years, y'know,

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Blake would be a good kid,

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I'd be married,

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job, just like, a normal person.

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He's called Pat, middle name, after my best friend that died that night.

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It's like you lose one best friend and now I've got another.

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Circle of life.

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Family can be an inspiration.

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They can give us purpose.

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For Mark, they have helped him see a life beyond the tragedy.

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And although people respond to trauma in unique ways,

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the thing they have in common is their desire

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to get back to normal.

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'Tonight at 10.

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'12 people murdered in Cumbria'

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and 11 injured as a gunman goes...

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I remember being in the crash room

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and I remember being in some sort of neck brace, because I couldn't move

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and I remember them talking about my arm and I came round and I said,

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"I don't want to lose my hand and I don't want to lose my arm", and then I went back under again.

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They said I could keep my hand.

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It would be a living hand.

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I wouldn't be able to use it for anything.

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But it would just be there, y'know?

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And I said no,

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I'd rather it be taken off altogether.

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Two years ago, Derrick Bird,

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a taxi driver from Whitehaven,

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went on a shooting rampage.

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Without warning, he shot at random along a 52-mile corridor of West Cumbria,

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killing 12 and wounding 11.

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Among the survivors were a pub landlord and a taxi driver,

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both of them left with serious injuries

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and psychological scars.

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But what separates them is how they've responded

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and their individual struggles

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to find a new kind of normal.

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These are Terry and Harry's stories of survival.

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My life has already, to a certain degree, been shortened.

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I want time. Can you do me a favour, darling?

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Can you get that sticker of that apple? I can't get it off.

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Thank you.

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And, it's just ridding the body

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of all the nastiness.

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When Harry was shot, the blast destroyed his right hand

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and much of his arm.

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He's had microsurgery to get it working again,

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but, it's proving a slow and painful process.

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There we go. Apple peeled, cored, sliced.

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Ready to go. I decided to keep the arm.

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I had probably about 700 stitches, in me, all over.

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That was a complete rebuild there.

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That all came from here,

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the back of my legs, you know, all over,

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I've got the scars all over the place.

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It's very strange cos I got used to not having pain,

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or I had the pain, then I got used to not having the pain for,

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oh, over a year. Then, as the senses would come back,

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total pain. But perseverance is the key.

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Come on, dog.

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Harry runs a pub with his wife, Paddington.

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It's a young business which they've built up from scratch

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but since the attack, she's had to take on most of the work.

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There's been some interesting drunk moments

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where he's become another person. Slightly lively at points.

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It's just sheer hard work bearing in mind the business we're in.

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It's a hotel, it's a pub and you've got to...

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Well, we do enjoy it but if you don't enjoy it,

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the whole thing's just going to disappear.

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With two small children as well, you can't hide in a corner and cry

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cos they're not really going to appreciate that.

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That's not going to be good for them.

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You just have to make it a really...

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You just have to look forward, that's it.

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With the knowledge that it's not going to be OK today.

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I get very angry. Very angry. I have an incredibly short fuse.

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I did before, but I don't think it was this short.

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What sort of things make you angry? Is it physical frustrations?

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I still suffer a very large amount of pain.

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I have to keep active to stop that.

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If I stop being active, I get pain, and if I get pain, I get angry.

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Kids are always asking what happened to me, they're more interested.

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I told some of them that it was because I was naughty as a child.

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I didn't do what my mammy said so my arm fell off.

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I think they're behaving themselves, them kids, now.

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Despite losing his arm,

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Terry went back to work just nine months after the attack.

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I think he's brilliant.

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I actually think he's amazing because he's at work every day with one arm.

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Just rolling around in his car.

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All my mates get in his taxi and they're like,

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"Oh, my God. Just seen your dad."

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"Have you?"

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It's still sore.

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You still get phantom pain in it,

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where you think you can feel your fingers and what have you.

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Taking tablets for all that. I'm taking tablets...

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I don't know what they're for but they're certainly to stop me

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from thinking about it, some of them.

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Terry worked with Derrick Bird on the taxi rank

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and since the shooting,

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he's struggled to make sense of what happened.

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I knew Derrick very well.

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We used to go on holiday together and go out for a drink together.

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Always have a craic, you know what I mean.

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The not knowing, the not understanding

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why somebody who you thought you knew so well

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did something as awful as this, how do you cope with not knowing?

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I wasn't going to come today because I hadn't slept at all last night

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simply because of not knowing.

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It just keeps coming back to you.

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Sometimes you just don't sleep at all.

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Other times, you'll go to sleep and you won't wake up.

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It can work both ways. It's as if your brain's saying,

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"Don't wake up, you don't have to think about it,"

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you know what I mean? It's crazy.

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Tell me about the morning of that day.

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How did that day begin for you?

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It was a day that I needed to go to the bank,

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I needed to go to the Post Office.

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Two minutes before, and actually with the engine started,

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the children closed the doors of the car and said,

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"We're not coming, Dad. "We're going to stay behind."

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With his children safely at home, Harry set off for Whitehaven.

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Meanwhile, Terry had just picked up a passenger.

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It was my second call when I picked Emma up.

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She was going to the doctor's.

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The first thing I heard coming over the taxi radio was,

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"They've shot him."

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To which I thought something had happened on EastEnders

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the night before or something.

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I didn't realise it was happening in our town.

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People in Whitehaven and Egremont are being urged to stay indoors

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following reports of a shooting...

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By 10:30, Bird had already shot five people.

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Now Harry and Terry were in his path.

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There's a tunnel bridge in Seascale.

0:22:170:22:20

Could see a car coming down and I could see its taxi stripes

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and thought, can't be bothered to argue with a taxi.

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I could see a police car coming down with the lights on.

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I was going, "What the Hell's that?" I noticed Derrick's car in front.

0:22:390:22:44

I said to Emma, "What's he been up to now?"

0:22:440:22:48

Them buggers are after him for speeding or something, you know.

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He waved at me to stop.

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I do shoot, and I saw just a pair of barrels.

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As I turned round,

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there was a double-barrelled shotgun right up against my window.

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It was like a massive blowing sensation.

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It was somebody throwing a cup of salt or pellets

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or little pebbles in your face.

0:23:430:23:46

-Right.

-It was the smell. Instantly, it was the smell.

0:23:460:23:49

It was the smell of cordite. I remember the heat, white.

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White hot too.

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I was so badly covered in blood, of course,

0:23:580:24:00

the police went under the car,

0:24:000:24:02

went to the passenger side to get Emma out.

0:24:020:24:05

She was shot in the arm,

0:24:050:24:07

she got some in the side of her face as well.

0:24:070:24:10

She was covered in me mostly, you know what I mean?

0:24:100:24:14

I can't stop thinking about your children who were not sitting...

0:24:160:24:19

Trust me.

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If anything had happened to them, that would have...

0:24:220:24:26

I would never have forgiven myself, ever.

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In fact, I'm not sure if anything had happened to them,

0:24:290:24:32

I'm not sure that necessarily I would have wanted to continue.

0:24:320:24:35

I just looked down, I seen bits of my hand were missing,

0:24:370:24:43

blood absolutely pissing out everywhere.

0:24:430:24:45

Mick, he put his belt around my arm.

0:24:450:24:50

-This was a policeman?

-A tourniquet, yeah.

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He sat me down and he held my arm up above me.

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Slows the blood flow.

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I was taken into a nearby shop, put on the floor in there.

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I waited 90 minutes for the air ambulance to arrive.

0:25:050:25:08

-Which seemed like how long?

-Oh, weeks.

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Absolutely weeks, but also seconds, at the same time.

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There was a lot of blanking.

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There was a lot of thinking...

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of things.

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I never went unconscious. I did... I did want to.

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Sometimes I could feel myself going.

0:25:310:25:35

There was people passing.

0:25:350:25:37

I was trying... I had some duck eggs in the car.

0:25:370:25:41

About four dozen duck eggs in the car I had brought down

0:25:410:25:44

for someone who wanted to buy them off me.

0:25:440:25:47

I knew I wasn't going to get to them so I was telling people

0:25:470:25:50

who were passing to take the eggs out of the car.

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Don't let them go to waste, you know what I mean?

0:25:530:25:56

I do remember at one very drunken point turning around and saying,

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"Listen, guys, I can't thank anybody here enough for what they've done

0:26:020:26:05

"but please will somebody just get me a fucking ambulance."

0:26:050:26:09

It was...

0:26:090:26:11

-That's hard, that bit. Just hold on a sec.

-Sure thing.

0:26:140:26:19

-Sorry.

-No, just let me know.

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It's hard purely and simply because you don't realise

0:26:240:26:27

at the time what people are prepared to do to keep you alive.

0:26:270:26:33

You know, I was lucky I'd got my hand up in front of my head to start with.

0:26:480:26:52

End of. If I hadn't have got my hand up, I was gone. Simple as.

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Good reflexes. Should have been a goalkeeper.

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HE LAUGHS

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We're only here for as long as we're allowed to stay. Then you go.

0:27:040:27:10

Everybody's number comes up.

0:27:100:27:12

Running a pub can be a physical job,

0:27:220:27:24

so the injuries to Harry's arm are a constant reminder of the attack.

0:27:240:27:29

Can't fry an egg, can't chop a log, can't pull a pint.

0:27:290:27:34

It's as simple as that. I cannot do anything and it's...

0:27:340:27:38

But I'm here. I'm alive and I'm not complaining about that,

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but it is terribly, terribly frustrating.

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Derrick Bird committed suicide in the woods

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just a stone's throw from Harry's family home.

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His name is the Devil incarnate, as far as I'm concerned,

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and rather than swearing at the Devil, I swear at him.

0:28:040:28:07

I mean, he's my Devil.

0:28:070:28:10

But, you know what,

0:28:140:28:18

he's not here, so it's not an issue.

0:28:180:28:22

Terry and his friends used to go out on fishing trips with Derrick Bird,

0:28:280:28:32

or Birdy as he was known amongst the taxi drivers.

0:28:320:28:36

Despite having only one arm, Terry continues

0:28:360:28:39

to do the things he enjoyed, but it's not as straightforward.

0:28:390:28:44

Everything is back to front, than used by this arm,

0:28:440:28:48

whereas I'm now going to use it by my left hand.

0:28:480:28:52

Everything is upside down and back to front.

0:28:520:28:55

His friend Brian helps on the boat and since the attack,

0:28:570:29:00

insists that Terry goes out to unwind.

0:29:000:29:05

-You've got to. If you don't, you end up like Birdy.

-That's right.

0:29:050:29:10

Your head would fill up with rubbish. You've got to let it out.

0:29:100:29:15

I don't blame him for what he done.

0:29:170:29:19

On a normal day, he wouldn't have done it.

0:29:190:29:22

Just something triggered in his head and he just wasn't him again.

0:29:220:29:27

But as I say, we've all got that demon somewhere.

0:29:270:29:31

Just need something to fire it off, isn't it?

0:29:310:29:34

What do you feel about the fact he took his own life at the end?

0:29:340:29:38

Well, why didn't he do that at the start? You know?

0:29:380:29:42

That's one thing that comes to mind.

0:29:420:29:45

It's a pity he did do it at the end because now we'll never find out.

0:29:470:29:52

Maybe if he'd left a letter or something before he had done it,

0:29:530:29:57

it would have helped everybody, I think.

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But he didn't. He just took it with him.

0:30:000:30:02

For Harry, the fact that Bird is dead has made all the difference.

0:30:070:30:13

He ended his life 400 yards in that direction.

0:30:130:30:16

I've walked down there, take the dog for a walk,

0:30:160:30:19

go and walk the children, the children know where it was.

0:30:190:30:23

But they don't have to think about him

0:30:230:30:26

because I'm still here, that's number one to them.

0:30:260:30:29

Secondly, he's dead. Therefore, it's cut out.

0:30:290:30:32

Yeah, it's inside out.

0:30:320:30:34

'I'll never have to face in a court of law. I never have to see him'

0:30:340:30:38

being given a sentence that is reduced by half for good behaviour.

0:30:380:30:43

I'll never see that he's let out.

0:30:440:30:47

And my children will never have to know that person is still around.

0:30:480:30:53

And they are my inspiration.

0:30:540:30:57

And I don't want them to grow up with this sense of hatred,

0:30:570:31:02

of destructiveness, in their life.

0:31:020:31:05

And it's because of them that I will go to the length

0:31:050:31:12

that I am going to become as normal a dad as possible.

0:31:120:31:17

For them. Definitely.

0:31:170:31:19

Terry and Harry have shown incredible resilience

0:31:200:31:24

living through something most of us will never experience.

0:31:240:31:28

But actually surviving a violent crime is only the beginning

0:31:280:31:33

of the long road to recovery.

0:31:330:31:35

'Good evening.'

0:31:350:31:36

The police in Birmingham have got used to gun crime, but nothing like this.

0:31:360:31:40

In the early hours of this morning, they were called to a shooting

0:31:400:31:44

outside a party at a hairdressers' salon. They found two teenage...

0:31:440:31:49

The morning after New Year's Day 2003,

0:31:490:31:53

four girls were gunned down outside a party.

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Two of them, Charlene Ellis

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and Letisha Shakespeare, died at the scene.

0:31:580:32:01

But Charlene had a twin sister, Sophie, who was also shot.

0:32:010:32:05

And this is her story of survival.

0:32:070:32:10

"I remember having a brief conversation with one of the paramedics from the ambulance team

0:32:100:32:16

"who had brought me into hospital.

0:32:160:32:18

"She quietly told me that my sister had been shot too.

0:32:180:32:22

"And that she didn't make it. My whole body went numb.

0:32:220:32:27

"I heard her loud and clearly, but she said it to me

0:32:270:32:32

"and it did not register."

0:32:320:32:34

-Where you close?

-Very. We used to argue a lot but we were very close.

0:32:360:32:41

We would argue one minute and then talk the next.

0:32:410:32:44

I'm lucky. She's a part of me. I think about her every day.

0:32:440:32:48

I still say I'm her twin.

0:32:490:32:51

Because I am.

0:32:510:32:53

It's hard to forget about someone that you was in the womb with.

0:32:530:32:58

I can't just forget about it.

0:32:580:33:01

Nearly ten years ago,

0:33:120:33:14

a Birmingham gang plotted a drive-by shooting of their rivals.

0:33:140:33:19

The Burger Bar Boys were seeking revenge

0:33:190:33:21

for the murder of one of their members.

0:33:210:33:25

The attack would have tragic consequences.

0:33:250:33:28

I'd like to ask you just to take me through the evening.

0:33:280:33:33

-What did you get up to?

-We just were ready, excited to go,

0:33:330:33:36

had everything planned out, our clothes planned out,

0:33:360:33:40

we all had similar jackets and similar outfits.

0:33:400:33:45

We got to this party. I saw a particular person in there. He was...

0:33:450:33:49

To me, he was acting a bit weird,

0:33:500:33:53

which made me think something is not right.

0:33:530:33:58

Sophie had joined a private party at the back of a hairdressers'.

0:33:580:34:01

She had no idea

0:34:010:34:03

this was also the target location for the drive-by shooting.

0:34:030:34:06

The Burger Bar Boys were waiting for their chance to strike.

0:34:090:34:13

Rumours had spread that their rivals, the Johnson Crew,

0:34:200:34:24

would be at the party.

0:34:240:34:25

With a spotter in place, they waited for their cue.

0:34:270:34:31

Unknowingly, Sophie, Charlene and the others were about to walk into the line of fire.

0:34:330:34:38

TEXT ALERT

0:34:420:34:44

I didn't hear anything coming towards me.

0:34:500:34:55

I didn't hear like a gradual noise to say, this is happening,

0:34:550:34:59

get down on the floor. To me, it was in a blink of an eye,

0:34:590:35:02

and by the time I blinked, I was on the floor.

0:35:020:35:05

GUNFIRE

0:35:200:35:23

GUNFIRE

0:35:300:35:32

DISTANT SIRENS

0:35:390:35:41

I thought maybe everyone had a lucky escape.

0:35:410:35:45

Just thought that it was just me.

0:35:450:35:48

Bev - Sophie and Charlene's mother -

0:35:480:35:51

was fast asleep at home when the news came through.

0:35:510:35:54

I got a phone call at four o'clock in the morning.

0:35:540:35:59

When I heard "shot",

0:35:590:36:01

I thought - why would somebody want to shoot two girls?

0:36:010:36:05

When I got to the hospital, people was coming in the room

0:36:070:36:11

one by one to see me, like I was probably going to die.

0:36:110:36:15

Did any of the doctors, any of the surgeons, talk to you at the time?

0:36:150:36:19

-Did they explain to you what was happening?

-A paramedic spoke to me.

0:36:190:36:23

I must have asked her the question about Charlene.

0:36:230:36:27

I must have asked where she was. She said...

0:36:270:36:30

Something along the lines of, "It's not good news."

0:36:320:36:35

She said she was injured too and she didn't make it.

0:36:350:36:39

She told me that

0:36:390:36:41

but it was like when she told me, I didn't believe what she was saying.

0:36:410:36:44

I felt like... I didn't accept it.

0:36:440:36:47

All I could see was blood. Just blood everywhere.

0:36:470:36:50

And then I was told to go into the other room

0:36:520:36:56

to identify Charlene's body.

0:36:560:36:58

I didn't want to do that

0:36:580:37:00

because that's something I didn't ever think I would have to do.

0:37:000:37:04

Charlene and Letisha were dead, three others seriously injured.

0:37:060:37:11

During the gunfight, over 30 rounds were fired.

0:37:110:37:14

The gang had used a Mac 10 submachine gun,

0:37:140:37:17

also known as a "Spray and Pray".

0:37:170:37:20

Yet no-one from either gang was hurt.

0:37:200:37:23

You were shot four times. You had very severe injuries.

0:37:250:37:29

The surgery was successful. How was your recovery?

0:37:290:37:32

-How long were you in hospital for?

-Er...

0:37:320:37:35

I think I was in there for about four weeks in total. About four weeks.

0:37:380:37:43

And was there a point when you were in hospital that you did come to accept that your sister had died?

0:37:450:37:51

No.

0:37:510:37:53

Two years later, the case went to trial and four members

0:37:570:38:00

of the Burger Bar Boys were given life sentences, totalling 132 years.

0:38:000:38:06

But that wasn't the end for Sophie and her mother.

0:38:070:38:11

I think it was the day after the court case, a group of boys

0:38:140:38:17

came down and trashed Sophie's car and tried to put my windows in.

0:38:170:38:23

I felt fearful and scared because I'm thinking,

0:38:250:38:28

"What have I done wrong?"

0:38:280:38:31

I didn't do anything, so why are people trying to put my windows in?

0:38:310:38:35

There's been situations where I have been in church, for instance,

0:38:360:38:41

and some of the guys in there, relatives of the perpetrators,

0:38:410:38:45

saying things like, "There's the girl that got my cousin sent down."

0:38:450:38:50

And I'm thinking, "Well, I didn't do nothing."

0:38:500:38:55

For you, particularly, and what happened to your family, there were

0:38:550:38:59

very unusual circumstances, in that a half-brother of yours

0:38:590:39:02

was in the car belonging to the gang the shots were fired from.

0:39:020:39:06

That must have added an extra layer of complication to everything,

0:39:070:39:11

-I think. Would that be fair?

-Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah.

0:39:110:39:16

Just the whole story and people saying, "The brother killed the sister."

0:39:160:39:20

Things like that. It's quite disturbing, to be honest.

0:39:200:39:23

To actually think about, OK, that happened.

0:39:230:39:26

I don't like to think about it, to be honest.

0:39:260:39:30

Have you spoken to her over these past ten years

0:39:300:39:33

about her feelings about losing her twin sister?

0:39:330:39:36

Is it something you're able to discuss with her?

0:39:360:39:39

I haven't spoken to Sophie about it.

0:39:390:39:42

How she's feeling, or... No, I just haven't.

0:39:430:39:47

No. I think it's because...

0:39:470:39:50

I think it's because...

0:39:510:39:54

I haven't...

0:39:570:39:59

I don't want to...

0:39:590:40:01

I don't want Sophie to offload on me.

0:40:030:40:07

I don't think I'd be able to take her offloading on me.

0:40:070:40:10

I think it would be better if she offloaded on someone else,

0:40:100:40:14

but offloading on me, I think it's going to have...

0:40:140:40:16

..an impact on me.

0:40:190:40:22

I just don't talk to anyone about it.

0:40:220:40:25

I just...keep it all inside.

0:40:250:40:28

Maybe one day I will.

0:40:300:40:32

But I think it's a thing where I need to be ready to talk about it.

0:40:320:40:36

I don't think I am ready.

0:40:360:40:39

Losing her twin was devastating for Sophie.

0:40:420:40:45

And to this day, she hardly ever talks about what happened.

0:40:450:40:49

But over the past decade, she's continued to witness

0:40:490:40:52

the destructive impact of gang culture on others.

0:40:520:40:57

A lot of things have happened since the incident

0:40:570:41:00

where young youths have lost their lives to gun crime as well.

0:41:000:41:05

And you're thinking, look at that.

0:41:050:41:08

That person... Was that Charlene? Do you know what I mean?

0:41:080:41:13

And then... They've lost their lives.

0:41:130:41:16

You just don't know when you're going to lose your life.

0:41:160:41:20

I am wary and mindful.

0:41:200:41:22

Seeing some of the social needs in her community,

0:41:240:41:27

Sophie recently decided to start mentoring young women.

0:41:270:41:32

Her experiences give her a unique perspective.

0:41:320:41:36

I've started shadowing other mentors to try

0:41:360:41:40

and support vulnerable young girls.

0:41:400:41:43

-Right.

-You know, a lot of them are young offenders.

0:41:430:41:51

Out of school, out of education.

0:41:510:41:54

And just, like, on the streets, really.

0:41:540:41:57

-Hi, Kirk.

-How are you?

0:41:590:42:01

Retired police officer Kirk Dawes has also seen

0:42:030:42:06

the effects of gun crime in the area.

0:42:060:42:08

He is now training Sophie, giving her the skills to support others.

0:42:080:42:12

I've watched Sophie since those awful days years ago.

0:42:120:42:18

You can't buy that sort of experience

0:42:180:42:20

and to want to give it back is unusual. It is rare.

0:42:200:42:25

Sophie, I know, doesn't think in terms of retaliation and revenge,

0:42:250:42:29

but how she moves her life forward and indeed the lives of others.

0:42:290:42:32

For me, it makes me feel good to know that I'm actually getting

0:42:320:42:38

this person to look at something on a different perspective and change

0:42:380:42:42

their attitude and change their life, change the way they think.

0:42:420:42:46

So, yeah.

0:42:460:42:48

Hopefully, I will make a difference.

0:42:480:42:51

Unlike the gang which killed her sister, Sophie didn't seek revenge.

0:42:550:42:59

She decided to go after something positive

0:42:590:43:02

and become part of the support network in her area.

0:43:020:43:06

But for other people, it is the pursuit of justice

0:43:060:43:10

which gives them a sense of purpose.

0:43:100:43:12

'The One O'Clock News from the BBC.

0:43:230:43:26

'Police say the Liverpool toddler James Bulger

0:43:260:43:29

'was horrifically murdered before being hit by a train.'

0:43:290:43:33

Almost 20 years ago, James Bulger, a two-year-old,

0:43:350:43:38

was abducted from the Strand shopping centre near Liverpool.

0:43:380:43:42

The toddler was tortured in ways unimaginable by 10-year-old boys,

0:43:420:43:47

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.

0:43:470:43:49

Two days later, his disfigured body was discovered on a railway track.

0:43:500:43:55

It was a crime that stunned the nation

0:43:570:44:00

and thrust James's mother into the spotlight.

0:44:000:44:03

I came here today because I felt my son James should be represented.

0:44:050:44:10

The loss she experienced drove her to spend almost two decades campaigning for justice.

0:44:100:44:15

It's about time I started getting answers. I am sick of them closing doors in me face.

0:44:150:44:20

So how has she coped with the years of continued hope and disappointment?

0:44:200:44:25

I would like to see them tried again in a court.

0:44:250:44:28

I would like to be in the courtroom while this is being done.

0:44:280:44:32

This is Denise and her story of survival.

0:44:320:44:34

I've done the best I could to be a mum to him.

0:44:450:44:48

Nothing was going to hurt him or happen to him.

0:44:480:44:52

You don't think for one minute that,

0:44:520:44:54

within a few hours, your whole life was going to be turned upside down.

0:44:540:44:59

In the days that surrounded James's killing,

0:45:000:45:03

you not only had to deal with an unimaginable

0:45:030:45:06

amount of personal trauma, you also had to deal with

0:45:060:45:10

an almost unprecedented amount of media interest.

0:45:100:45:12

Can you try to describe to me what a typical day was like?

0:45:120:45:16

In the beginning,

0:45:160:45:17

I refused to go outside the door, I locked myself in a bedroom.

0:45:170:45:20

The only time I came out was to use the bathroom.

0:45:200:45:23

When I did venture out, I had cameras shoved in my face.

0:45:240:45:27

You're wondering why people are not leaving you alone

0:45:270:45:30

and you're wondering why you haven't got that little boy around your feet.

0:45:300:45:35

It just feels like you're living in a total nightmare.

0:45:350:45:38

You just want to grieve, you just want to be by yourself,

0:45:380:45:42

you don't want the world seeing how you're looking.

0:45:420:45:45

I felt like I was living under a black veil,

0:45:450:45:48

underneath a massive black cloud that I couldn't shift.

0:45:480:45:52

I thought, this is my life now. This is what I've got to live with,

0:45:520:45:55

if I continue to live with it.

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Denise was by then heavily pregnant with her second son Michael

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and only attended court at the end of the Thompson and Venables trial.

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My memories of the last day

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was seeing Thompson and Venables stand in front of me.

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They weren't too far.

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I think if I stood up and reached out,

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I would have been able to touch them.

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I just remember their shoulders moving, they were sniggering.

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I just thought, you find it funny,

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you took a look young person's life and you think it's hilarious.

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Thompson and Venables were sentenced to eight years in custody

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until they reached adulthood, making them

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the youngest convicted murderers in modern English history.

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I thought it was an absolute joke.

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I thought, my son's life was only worth eight years?

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I thought, they've done an adult crime,

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they should have done a lot longer sentence.

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That's why I petitioned.

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After the trial, Denise started lobbying for a longer sentence

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and launched Justice For James.

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It's time everyone started thinking about what they done.

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They took a two-year-old's life.

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They're just evil, in my eyes.

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Determined, Denise launched a petition

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and took thousands of signatures to the Home Office.

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Their minimum jail term was raised to 15 years.

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She had succeeded. For now.

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On release, I would have said, they've done the time,

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they have done time in an adult prison, there's nothing else I can do

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and I would have been living a normal life now.

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But the sentencing battle continued

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until it was put back to the original eight-year term.

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Throughout this period, Denise kept fighting.

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Was there a point where you thought, "I've just got to leave this alone"?

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-This is the justice system and I've got to get on with my life?

-No.

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No, because it was my son I was fighting for.

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No-one else was going to do it. He's not here to speak out.

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I'll do it for him. I've always said that and I'll always do it for him.

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The pressure of campaigning had affected her marriage

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and Denise split up with James's father, Ralph.

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Three years later, she married Stuart.

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Sometimes, things do get on top of me still.

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And I do take it out on Stuart. He is a good runner!

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And I run just as quick as him!

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He does have to put up with a lot and I always say to him,

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when I first met Stuart, once he realised I was James's mum,

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I said to him, "You don't have to stay.

0:48:340:48:37

"I have got to go through a lot in life. It's up to you."

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But Stuart chose to stay and we've been happy ever since.

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It's a really big thing, to say to somebody,

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if you were falling for him and he was falling for you, to have that conversation, to say I understand

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if this is too much. It must have been a big moment.

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I thought, I don't want you to go through what I've been through, just thrown in the deep end.

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I did explain to him what type of a life he would be living

0:49:010:49:05

if he married me. And he was fine by it.

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With her new husband, Denise continued to fight for justice.

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But in 2001, Thompson and Venables were released on licence,

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under a witness protection-style programme. They were also given new identities.

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The case was a hot potato. They didn't know how to handle it.

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But they've protected them the best way they can, whereas they basically told me to get on with it.

0:49:250:49:30

I do remember just before they were released, one of the judges

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turned round and said, "She's moved on and gone on to have more kids now.

0:49:330:49:38

"We need to protect these two," which really wound me up big-time.

0:49:380:49:41

I felt like standing up and screaming out in the court that day.

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I just think, it's all wrong. That's why I really hate them so much.

0:49:460:49:51

They took James's life - they took him away from me -

0:49:510:49:55

-but they're still getting the best of everything.

-In light of the terrible thing that happened to you,

0:49:550:50:01

I wondered how easy it was to give your kids freedoms, to allow them

0:50:010:50:05

-to have that independence every kid needs.

-Michael has just turned 18.

0:50:050:50:09

He is only just being allowed out now.

0:50:090:50:12

Thomas and Leon aren't allowed out unless me, Stuart or both of us are with them.

0:50:120:50:17

Michael's just left school now and he's going to be looking for a job soon.

0:50:170:50:21

I'm thinking, there's no way you're slipping through my fingers just yet. I'm keeping hold of you.

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In 2010, Venables broke the terms of this licence

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and was jailed for possessing and distributing child pornography.

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He is due for parole later this year.

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After almost 20 years of battling with the legal system,

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Denise has finally reached a turning point.

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All the fighting and campaigning, I've never got anywhere with it.

0:50:450:50:50

Once I realised I wasn't going to get that justice, I had to do something nice in his name.

0:50:500:50:54

Last year, having moved on from Justice For James, she launched

0:50:540:50:59

a charity, offering disadvantaged children a free holiday.

0:50:590:51:04

-The badge has now changed and I've got a charity badge.

-What does the badge say?

-It just says "For James".

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Everything that I do in the future is just going to be for James.

0:51:100:51:13

Just to see James's name, I know inside, it gives me a huge plus.

0:51:130:51:20

I thought, at last, I've done something in his name.

0:51:200:51:23

He's not just a memory any more. I can also see his name in gold.

0:51:230:51:26

-I wonder when you had time to grieve because...

-I never have.

0:51:280:51:33

I've never had...

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I couldn't go out because the press were there

0:51:370:51:41

and when I was inside, I had Michael to consider.

0:51:410:51:45

I think what really got me through it was after the dark days,

0:51:450:51:49

I found out I was pregnant with Michael.

0:51:490:51:51

The dark days were still there but I had something inside me that I had to live for.

0:51:510:51:56

I needed this baby and this baby needed me. I had to be there for him.

0:51:560:52:01

I didn't want anything rubbed off onto him.

0:52:010:52:05

So really, I don't think I have ever grieved.

0:52:050:52:08

I've just had to push my way through it.

0:52:080:52:11

A violent crime can be committed in seconds,

0:52:130:52:16

but its impact can be felt for generations.

0:52:160:52:20

Denise lost James in a single moment,

0:52:200:52:23

but her sense of injustice may never go away.

0:52:230:52:26

Last month in America, 12 people were killed at a Batman screening

0:52:310:52:35

when a man dressed in riot gear opened fire on the audience.

0:52:350:52:40

And in the state of Colorado, the survivors are being consulted

0:52:400:52:44

about whether or not to seek the death penalty for the accused.

0:52:440:52:48

In Norway, despite calls for a similar sentence,

0:52:480:52:52

some of those who escaped last year's attacks have already faced Anders Breivik in court.

0:52:520:52:59

And there, the death penalty is not an option.

0:52:590:53:02

I have pain in my stomach. I was really...

0:53:020:53:07

I was worrying because I hadn't seen the man

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who did this in live-action since Utoya.

0:53:110:53:16

Stine was one of around 600 that gathered on Utoya island.

0:53:160:53:21

When Breivik opened fire, she managed to swim away,

0:53:210:53:25

but many did not.

0:53:250:53:27

Like others, she's had concerns about attending the trial

0:53:270:53:31

and sharing a courtroom with the man who executed her friends.

0:53:310:53:35

So the first hour was really terrible,

0:53:350:53:39

but then it just... All the anxiety and everything just left.

0:53:390:53:45

And I found some kind of peace in seeing the man who did this

0:53:460:53:52

with handcuffs.

0:53:520:53:53

He was in the control of the court. He can't hurt me any more.

0:53:530:53:58

Bjorn was also on the island when Breivik started firing.

0:54:000:54:04

He managed to rescue two children as he fled to the mainland.

0:54:040:54:07

A natural reaction to what happened will be

0:54:090:54:12

to put the death penalty back in or torture the terrorist,

0:54:120:54:16

but I don't really think that's the way we should deal with this

0:54:160:54:22

in a democratic society.

0:54:220:54:24

The best way to get back at him is to stay true to the values we had.

0:54:240:54:27

Astrid hid behind some rocks when Breivik turned on her

0:54:270:54:31

and was there for two hours before being rescued.

0:54:310:54:34

I think it would be really good to be finished with it,

0:54:340:54:38

because then we can stop focusing on him

0:54:380:54:40

and start focusing even more on our future.

0:54:400:54:44

But, one year on, she still can't talk

0:54:440:54:47

about the things she saw that day.

0:54:470:54:49

These survivors all escaped physical injury,

0:54:500:54:53

but they continue to struggle with the horrors they witnessed

0:54:530:54:57

and the loss of so many friends.

0:54:570:54:59

My injuries are hidden, I mean, you can't see them on me.

0:55:010:55:03

And in some ways I think it's possibly easier

0:55:030:55:06

to deal with this emotionally if you have a physical scar,

0:55:060:55:10

if you have some sort of concrete mark that you were actually there and were injured.

0:55:100:55:15

A lot of people have gotten tattoos to get the physical mark

0:55:150:55:20

on themselves, that they have some relation to the terror.

0:55:200:55:24

Astrid was separated from her best friend during the shooting

0:55:260:55:29

and wasn't told she'd died for over a week.

0:55:290:55:32

You know, when you are 17 and you are speaking with your friends,

0:55:320:55:36

one of your best friends, you always have these future plans,

0:55:360:55:40

and I think it's really sad that she isn't able to be with us

0:55:400:55:44

when we are going to do those plans.

0:55:440:55:46

I really get a feeling that life isn't so sure,

0:55:460:55:51

it's not so sure that we will live till we are 80.

0:55:510:55:55

Despite the devastation, the people of Norway have shown

0:55:560:56:00

incredible strength and, like many caught in the crossfire,

0:56:000:56:04

it's friends and family that are helping them through the recovery process.

0:56:040:56:09

For me, it has been crucial to allow myself to welcome

0:56:100:56:15

the help that was offered, to realise that being strong

0:56:150:56:19

in this kind of situation is also realising that

0:56:190:56:23

you can't do it all by yourself.

0:56:230:56:25

I guess it's true that when you share your grief,

0:56:260:56:29

it doesn't become smaller, but it's easier to carry.

0:56:290:56:33

Violent crime can kill, devastate and destroy,

0:56:360:56:41

but the way survivors respond to trauma and grief varies.

0:56:410:56:46

I've met with people at different stages of recovery

0:56:460:56:50

and, although time has not always been a healer,

0:56:500:56:53

it has allowed for a change of focus.

0:56:530:56:56

What's clear is there's no defined path back to normality.

0:56:560:57:00

We live in a world where nothing is certain.

0:57:000:57:05

Everybody says, it can't happen to us, but it does happen to us, doesn't it, you know?

0:57:050:57:09

It does, no doubt about it, it does.

0:57:090:57:11

But, when faced with tragedy,

0:57:120:57:14

it's how we respond that makes all the difference.

0:57:140:57:17

This will always be with me,

0:57:170:57:20

but it will not put any boundaries on what I'm capable of doing.

0:57:200:57:25

I want to be able to use that hand, I want to be able to grip

0:57:250:57:29

a motorbike and I want to be able to twist grip the throttle.

0:57:290:57:31

That is my aim.

0:57:310:57:33

It's the people we allow into our lives that shape our future...

0:57:330:57:37

Sophie, my fiancee, she was the main reason, like,

0:57:370:57:42

cos she's a nice girl and I didn't want to be a nasty person.

0:57:420:57:46

I knew her niceness would rub off on me eventually.

0:57:460:57:51

..and the opportunities we embrace that give us hope.

0:57:510:57:54

To be able to help them want to be more positive about life

0:57:540:57:58

and not stray down the wrong road, for me, it's a good feeling.

0:57:580:58:02

Just to see James's name, you know, inside the caravan,

0:58:020:58:05

it did give me a huge buzz, because I thought, you know, at last

0:58:050:58:09

I've done something in his name, he's not just a memory any more.

0:58:090:58:12

Crime changes lives,

0:58:120:58:14

but over time we can learn to adapt and find a new kind of normal.

0:58:140:58:20

Survival is part of being human.

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It feels like what happened is an eternity ago.

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It feels like I've gone through a lot and I'm happy, like.

0:58:280:58:33

Happy with my life, at this moment in time.

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