Episode 12 Dom on the Spot


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'Never before have so many

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'on-the-spot fines been issued in Britain.

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'We're going to be following the men and women who hand out

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'over ?30 million worth of tickets every month...'

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Oops! Round here they are an absolute blight.

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I'm at 104 now.

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Wow. That is disgusting.

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Just walk away.

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'..for behaviour that's downright dangerous...'

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That was stupid for these sort of conditions, wasn't it?

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'..simply selfish...'

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Look at the mess you've created in the street.

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How is that our fault? What is he doing?

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'..or just...well, plain silly.'

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What a doughnut.

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'We'll be revealing the cost of their bad behaviour...'

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?100 fine.

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...pays ?260. Ouch.

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'..and how this could affect you.'

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Might give him a punch.

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You want to see me kick off?

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'The police are on it...'

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What the... Sir?!

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'..the parking wardens are on it...'

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They should be thanking us for being here.

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'..and I'm on it.'

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Careful, it's a 30mph limit here!

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'I'm Dom Littlewood,

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'and I'm On The Spot.'

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This time, I'm on the spot while this guy's on the phone.

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So you do realise it is a driver's license and not a Tesco Clubcard?

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It is not designed to collect as many points as humanly possible.

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They are paying the penalty for a wildlife buffet

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on the streets of Cardiff.

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That's mush. Nope.

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Mice...

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BLEEP!

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And things get hot and bothered when there are fines

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on the parking patrol.

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I'm not by your vehicle.

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How you could just be so annoyed with just my presence...

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CAR HORN HONKS

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We all know getting pulled over

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by the police is a massive inconvenience.

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Very sorry, Jay. But let me tell you -

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last year there were 180,000 casualties

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as a result of incidents of one sort or another.

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Now, some of those would have been directly as a result

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of people using mobile phones, texting, or even speeding.

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And when you think about that shocking figure,

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all of a sudden an on-the-spot penalty

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for doing something we shouldn't be doing might be the lesson we need.

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I'm in Wiltshire with traffic cop Jay Clifton.

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We're in his unmarked car patrolling the M4,

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an area which has recently seen a 38% increase in speeding crime.

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At the moment we are heading southbound on the M4 towards London.

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Sorry. You're going to make me laugh.

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You can never head south on the M4. We're east or west.

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Sorry!

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'Let me try that again.'

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At the moment we are heading east on the M4 towards London.

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Jay's sitting here, the inside lane, about 50mph.

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He's going to spot anybody who's going past in the outside lanes

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either using their phone, speeding, undertaking -

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all the naughty things they shouldn't be doing.

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'And it only takes a few seconds for Jay to spot

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'what could be a ?100 fine.'

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Mmm. That one got your attention, Jay, didn't it?

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A white vehicle went past us, almost certainly speeding.

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Jay's now gone into the outside lane

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and is doing a vehicle check on them, and monitoring their speed.

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We are at about 90mph at the moment.

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'Because we're in an unmarked car,

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'this driver has no idea he's being followed.'

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Showing about 96mph.

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Ouch. Slowing a little bit.

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Now, if they hit over 100mph,

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that can be an instant ban for someone, can't it?

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Yes, it can. At the moment I think this vehicle ahead of us

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is hovering around 96-98.

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So what we'll do, we'll take the vehicle into the services.

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Why do you follow them for a fair distance

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before pulling them immediately?

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I want to ensure that we're keeping a constant speed

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and this isn't just a quick in and out.

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We're showing that this is an ongoing thing.

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OK. So they're not just overtaking something and about to pull in?

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No. You're making sure your evidence is concrete, really.

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That's what it is. Yeah.

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'Once Jay's got watertight proof of the guy's speed,

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'it's time to bring him in.

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'Is there a fine at stake here?'

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What Jay's now doing is programming a message

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to come up on the screen at the back of the car.

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So Jay is obviously going to get in front of the vehicle,

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put the message up and say, "Follow me."

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Right, the blues have come on.

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He's indicating. He knows he's being pulled.

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Up goes the message.

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That's handy. There's a services one mile ahead.

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Just what I was aiming for.

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Is there any single excuse he could give you now

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which would justify him doing nearly 100mph?

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I have allowed people to go on their way, depending on what happens.

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But it is down to the individual.

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Unless this guy has an exceptional excuse

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for driving at nearly 100mph,

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there could be an on-the-spot fine on the way - or worse.

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Hello. I need to have a chat with you about your speed.

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Firstly I've got to point out that it's an offence

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to drive at excess speed.

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And in relation to that, you don't have to say anything,

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but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned

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something which you later rely on in court.

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And anything you do say may be given in evidence.

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It doesn't mean you're under arrest. It does mean we're going to have a chat about it.

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Do you have any points on your licence currently? No.

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'You might do soon, buddy.'

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Can you tell me what the speed limit for the motorway is?

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70? And what speed were you travelling? About 90.

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'Nearly, but not quite.'

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For quite a long period of the time that I was following you,

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your speed was between 96 and 98.

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All right. Had you gone 2mph faster, what do you think could've happened?

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Potentially lost me licence.

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Not potentially. You would be getting disqualified.

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Yeah, OK. 100mph, it's not good.

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'I've got a feeling this could be the first fine of the day.'

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Jay's just having a word to the guy

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in the back of the car at the moment.

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He registered his speed at between 96 and 98mph.

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I very quickly had a word with him before he got in.

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I said, "How do you feel about having a chat?"

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He said, "I don't know whether these points are going to affect my job or not."

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Which is something you probably should have thought about

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before doing nearly 100mph.

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'He's been caught breaking the limit.

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'So, how will he pay?'

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At that kind of speed you are putting yourself

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in a massive, massive danger.

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All it takes is for that one slight twitch of the wheel,

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for someone to pull out on you, brake in front of you,

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an animal to run in front of you in the road,

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and then you've got a problem.

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OK. Literally yesterday a woman was killed on this carriageway.

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OK. OK? Here. All right.

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So, bear it in mind, OK?

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OK, Jay has had words with the driver,

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but what's the punishment going to be?

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Is it a caution, a fine, or a court summons?

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What's it to be, Jay?

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So you do realise it is a driver's license and not a Tesco Clubcard.

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It is not designed to collect as many points as humanly possible.

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It's a ?100 fine and three penalty points.

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You were quite close to getting an on-the-spot ban, weren't you?

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Very much, yeah. What was the hurry?

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Just wanted to get home. I've been on holiday.

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So, want to get home. Is this the first time you've got points?

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Yeah. Is this the first time you've got an on-the-spot penalty?

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Yeah. How do you feel about it?

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I knew what I was doing, so it's my own fault.

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What can I say? So it's no hard feelings?

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No, no. He's just doing his job, isn't he?

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If it weren't him, it was someone else, so...

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Will it make a difference to your driving?

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Be honest with me. Yeah, I will slow down.

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Cos you do forget. It's a long journey.

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You forget. You want to get home.

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Yeah. Yeah, no, it will. It shook me up a little bit, so...

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What, doing the speed, or getting pulled?

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Getting pulled. But I shouldn't be doing it, so it's my own fault.

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Let's hope he's learnt his lesson.

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That gentleman said to me he was particularly worried about his job.

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And that's not the first time I've heard that.

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When you drive a car you've got the same problems as everybody else.

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But surely, if you're that worried about your job

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being affected by points and a penalty,

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the answer is pretty obvious, isn't it?

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Don't do it. Yeah.

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The job of keeping Britain clean and waste-free is a biggie,

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especially if you don't stick to the rules.

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The latest figures show that we produce around 27 million tons

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of household waste a year. That's an awful lot of rubbish.

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And if you don't do your bit to keep your doorstep clean,

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you could end up with an on-the-spot fine.

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I think we should recycle because the world is disappearing

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under a mountain of junk.

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If you want people to recycle, you should encourage them rather than...

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I think a fine would discourage them for not recycling.

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Yeah, I think they should be fined if they don't recycle.

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What's the point in the council issuing us all

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with different coloured bins?

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I don't believe in people being fined

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for misuse of recycling bins or whatever. There's no need for it.

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The money goes anywhere but where it should be going.

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There's enough fines in the world today.

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I think they should be fined for misusing the recycling system.

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Because it's there for a purpose and if people don't use it for purpose,

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well, yeah, they should be punished.

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In Cardiff, waste enforcement officer Steph Marnell Jones

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is on garbage patrol.

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And she's on high alert because today is bin day.

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Steph's joined by rookie waste enforcer Naomi Stediford.

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Steph's teaching Naomi how to track down recycling avoiders

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and issue them with on-the-spot fines of ?80.

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Unless, of course, she has already put the house on a warning,

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in which case it's a ?100 fine.

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What I'll do is travel all these streets today

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and any waste that's not supposed to be there, search and remove it.

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The pair are looking for wrongly bagged waste

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that binmen can't take away.

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Have a look.

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Again, full of recycling.

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But Steph isn't going through the smelly bin bags for fun.

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She has to be 100% certain where the rubbish has come from

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before she can issue a fine. 17.

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So the recycling rookie needs to know the latest waste rules.

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Recycling in green bags.

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Food waste in secure brown caddies to keep out the rats and seagulls.

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General waste in the new slim, black wheelie bins.

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And when the rules are broken, the bins overflow,

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and the local wildlife get an all-you-can-eat buffet.

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If they put the food waste in the food waste bins,

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the seagulls can't open bins.

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Yet.

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OK, Naomi, you got that?

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Anyone breaking the rules can be hit with an ?80 fine

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or ?100 if they've already had a warning.

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So, now, Naomi, it's down to the dirty work,

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and you're going to need a strong stomach.

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These are really smelly. Hah.

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Oh, it's mush! The garden's quite bad.

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Steph and Naomi have to clean up anything

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that the binmen weren't able to take because it was in the wrong bags.

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First time I've got to go through the bins today.

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You know, cos I had my training before.

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But already I can see how frustrating it is for everyone,

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having to... I was out with another loader yesterday and already...

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The minute we went round a corner there was a sofa there.

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Made a note of it. Drove down about five minutes later,

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went back, sofa was gone. So, it's like... They're going everywhere.

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People are just picking up things.

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I can still see you, Steph.

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I'll probably have creepy-crawlies all over me now.

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But it's in the leftover rubbish that they'll find their evidence,

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something that will tie the waste to a particular address.

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Which is where another essential skill

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of the trainee environmental crime officer comes in. Detective work.

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No, no evidence here.

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It's all food waste.

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Looks like Naomi's getting the hang of it.

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That's under a different name.

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But not enough for fine - yet.

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OK, Naomi, you've had a taste - or should that be smell -

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of life as a waste enforcement officer.

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Now it's time to apply those skills to a particular case.

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The area they're patrolling is full of students.

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It's nearly the end of term,

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when students usually pack up and move out.

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And now Steph and Naomi are at a property

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with a large pile of bags outside.

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I think some of them are starting to move out.

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And now...everything's going out now.

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You'd think with all those qualifications

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they'd be able to get the hang of recycling, but apparently not.

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Here's all their saucepans.

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Too lazy to wash up?

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These residents thought it would be easier

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to just chuck them in the bin,

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but they should have been recycled or at least taken to the tip.

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They've either had a clear out before they move in or they're gone,

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or they can't be bothered to wash their dishes

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and have just bought new ones.

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But is there any evidence that could lead to a fine

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hidden amongst this treasure trove?

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All these are shoes.

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Found some evidence there.

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Let's take a look at what Steph has found.

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Unsorted, unrecycled waste, dumped outside the house.

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And paperwork possibly linking the rubbish to the residents.

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OK, Steph, what's it to be?

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This is just deliberate fly-tipping, really.

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Even though it's outside their property,

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it's still, you know, dumping a lot of waste.

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Looks like six or seven bags in total there.

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You'll get a fixed penalty for that.

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Hopefully they're still at the address.

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Some of the items in there make me think that they may have moved out

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or they're starting to clear out.

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So I'll check with council tax,

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if they've got any up-to-date information.

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If the residents can be tracked down,

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then it's an ?80 fixed penalty fine.

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The first of the day.

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Really frustrating.

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They just don't care whatsoever.

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They dump it out and think somebody else can deal with it.

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And it happens every year.

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And it's time for Naomi to learn lesson number three - paperwork.

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Her own this time. Not the stuff that's been dumped on the street.

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Basically, how many bags were outside the property,

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whether we've removed the waste, which we do when we search it.

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And if we find evidence we write it down

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cos then Steph's got the pictures on her phone.

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But if there isn't any evidence,

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what I'll write is "no evidence" in there.

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The issue is not just the mess, terrible though it is.

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It's hitting Cardiff Council taxpayers

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right where it hurts - in the pocket.

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And unsurprisingly, Steph is less than impressed.

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If my children went to university

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and just had complete disregard for the neighbourhood that they lived in

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and just threw their rubbish out and didn't really care

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how it was going to be collected,

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I'd be so embarrassed to be their parents.

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But nobody teaches their kids how to put the bins out, do they?

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It should be a new thing.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Steph and Naomi now have to head back to the depot

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with a van full of unsorted waste.

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But on the way, there's just time for one last training day lesson,

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that a fineable offence can happen at any time.

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Steph has spotted a driver smoking a cigarette out of his car window.

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Is she about to issue on-the-spot fine number two?

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I'm not sure. I think that's a BMW 1 Series.

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There's no passengers.

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He can smoke, he hasn't done anything wrong yet.

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There it goes, flicked it,

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he flicked that across and it landed on the pavement.

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We're on Newport Road, outside TGI Friday's at 11.50am.

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So, what are we looking at?

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Cigarette thrown.

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And the car drives away.

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OK, Steph, what's it to be?

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So basically when I get back to the office now, I'll do a DVLA check

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and get the owner's details.

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If Steph is able to trace the driver,

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it'll mean her second fine of the day.

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This time, a fixed penalty of ?80 for littering.

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But she still has all that rubbish to dispose of.

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I've got a van load, I've got a 3.5 ton van,

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so just a little bit depressing

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that it never gets better, even though they get fixed penalties,

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they don't really care.

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I mean, you know, an ?80 fixed penalty to a household

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is quite a lot of money, cos it's usually the ratepayer paying it.

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But when it's, you know, ten students,

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they've just had a load of waste taken away for ?8 each.

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You know? I think the fines should be bigger.

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Well, hopefully, those litter louts will be brought to justice.

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It's a glorious day in Havering

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on the outskirts of London.

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Great for ice cream sellers,

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bad for traffic wardens.

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Whatever little bit of chance we do have of people

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being sort of cool with us, that kind of goes out the window.

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You tend to find in hot temperatures

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people are tending to lose their cool a lot quicker.

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They kind of just snap at the smallest things.

0:17:510:17:54

Kam Paul is the parking officer.

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Today she's tackling hot-under-the-collar car owners.

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On a hot day like this, the poor things are dehydrating,

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just like us, so it kind of takes their tolerance

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and patience down to a minus.

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It may be one of the hottest days of the year so far

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but Kam isn't cutting anyone any slack.

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Park in the wrong spot or overstay your ticket,

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then you could be hit with a ?130 on-the-spot fine.

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MUFFLED SHOUTING

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In future, you need to look,

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cos you're going to get yourself a ticket like that, sir.

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On a day like today,

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drivers facing down a fine can easily reach boiling point.

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We've got a car on the footway over there.

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I'm going to politely ask the gentleman to move

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and hopefully he won't be too fuming.

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Kam has spotted a car that's taking up a big chunk of the pavement.

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There's no getting away from that single yellow line.

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Could this be Kam's first fine of the day?

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Can't park like that.

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She's let him off. And everyone's kept their cool.

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That's a thumbs up. No abuse, no conflict, he just moved on.

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Those are the kind of drivers I don't mind.

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It's when we turn up and ask them politely to move on

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and they still don't want to move, that can be a bit annoying.

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Because then you're left with the option of giving them a ticket,

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and obviously, they're not going to be too happy about that.

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It's like people have just got nothing better to do.

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The temperature's hotting up and so are tempers.

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That's pretty normal as well. Language like that.

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You see weird things here sometimes.

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What I don't understand is, if I'm not by your vehicle,

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how you can just be so annoyed with just my presence?

0:20:040:20:07

Just looking at me?

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't get excited!

0:20:100:20:13

I'm not excited, sir.

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Have you done it? Nope. Can I put some money in? Yeah, go ahead.

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Kam's spotted a driver sleeping at the wheel, parked up, but oh, dear,

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the ticket on the windscreen has expired.

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So, Kam's options -

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a rude awakening or a ?130 on-the-spot fine.

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You're expired, boss. Was it? I'm going anyway.

0:20:410:20:43

All right, brilliant. It's another no fine.

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That's quite common as well, people will purchase a ticket,

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fall asleep in the car.

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Ticket? It's in there. Where is it?

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Now, it's the curious case of the invisible ticket.

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I've just started the ticket, that's all.

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Kam can't see it anywhere.

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I paid ?1.20.

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It's fallen down.

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With no ticket displayed, it could mean a penalty of ?130.

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That's fine, no problem. Sorry, it must have fallen down. No worries.

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We've all done it. When a gust whips the ticket from the windscreen.

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This time, no fine.

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Luckily, the driver came back in time.

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It's came up and it's fallen down, the wind probably.

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That's how it's fallen. So yeah, I was well pleased.

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I could have got a ticket.

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Most of us have probably had the odd parking ticket or three.

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And you probably think there's nothing you can do about it.

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But that's where you're wrong.

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Because firstly, you can appeal to the council that issued the ticket

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and If you don't like their decision,

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you then have the right to go to an appeal service and argue your case.

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I'm at the London Chancery exchange,

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where environment and traffic adjudications are held, and today,

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farming contracter Joe has come all the way from Surrey

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with his dad to plead his case.

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Joe, you're just about to go into the adjudication.

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How are you feeling? Not too bad at all really.

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Not too worried about it at all.

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Just got to go in and just be yourself and be honest about it.

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Joe's been stung with a ?130 fine for a traffic violation

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that he thinks is unfair.

0:22:350:22:37

OK, and what's your defence going to be?

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Well, the fact that I didn't do what they say that I did.

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It's been an ongoing process for a long time.

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I just want to get to the end of it, really. How long?

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It's taken three months or so just to get to this stage.

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What do they say you did? Turned left at...

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At a "no turn left" sign? Yeah. Presumably they must have some

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sort of evidence like camera footage or something, have they?

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They've got camera footage but it doesn't back it up. Is that your dad, is it? Yeah.

0:23:000:23:03

Hello. He's got it all here. You've come well-prepared, haven't you?

0:23:030:23:06

Yeah, you have to be, if you want to win something,

0:23:060:23:08

you've got to come prepared, haven't you?

0:23:080:23:09

How will you feel if you're not successful?

0:23:090:23:12

Um... Well, I'll feel a little bit cheated, really,

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because you know, it's not really...

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I've not done anything wrong, I just think it's, you know...

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If you don't take it this far, lots of the time,

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they just expect to get the easy ?60 off someone,

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do you know what I mean?

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And they send it back, they just end up with it back.

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Sometimes you've got to go and do a little victory for the small man

0:23:280:23:32

and just go all the way with it.

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KNOCK ON DOOR

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It's time for Joe's case to be heard.

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And he's not going down without a fight.

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You're Mr Ayres, are you? Have a seat, please.

0:23:400:23:43

His fate lies in the hands of head adjudicator Caroline Hamilton.

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What happens is the enforcement authority have submitted evidence,

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they haven't sent a representative today,

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but they do contest your appeal.

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Up to 50% of appeals are successful.

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Will Joe be one of the lucky ones or will his fine be upheld?

0:24:020:24:05

Now, the allegation that you face is that,

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on the 21st of February of this year, at 12:19,

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it says that you, as the driver,

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failed to drive in the direction shown by a blue sign.

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And they say that you turned left and then crossed the road

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in the private car park and there was no sign

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to indicate you shouldn't, you were the driver...

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There is a sign, they say, at the location,

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a white arrow on a blue sign, pointing left.

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It's a mandatory sign, telling you which direction you've got to go in.

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We can't show the CCTV footage of the incident,

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but, fortunately, Joe has a good memory of what happened.

0:24:370:24:41

So, tell me, what's happening? You're driving along...

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What's happened is it's the first time I've ever been down that road.

0:24:430:24:46

I've come down, there was no parking spaces in this car park.

0:24:460:24:48

Well, I didn't think there was.

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And Sophie said to me, "We have to go round."

0:24:500:24:53

And I said... Sorry, just pause.

0:24:530:24:55

Hang on a second, Joe.

0:24:560:24:58

You can't rush Caroline.

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It's the first time you've driven this way

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and you were looking for parking? Yeah. Right.

0:25:040:25:06

So I've gone to the car park, gone round it... Right.

0:25:060:25:09

..there's no spaces,

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so I've gone to look for another space somewhere else.

0:25:100:25:12

Right. So I've come to this junction here, seen there's no right turn,

0:25:120:25:16

seen you've got to turn left. So I proceeded left, turned right,

0:25:160:25:19

turned round and then gone back round that junction.

0:25:190:25:21

To go back into the car park?

0:25:210:25:23

No, to have a look at another car park down there.

0:25:230:25:25

There's several blocks of car parks down there.

0:25:250:25:27

Right. I understand what you're saying to me,

0:25:270:25:29

you're saying this was a one-off event

0:25:290:25:31

and that you were looking for a parking space. Yeah. Right.

0:25:310:25:34

I understand that stops people from keep going round the loop

0:25:340:25:37

or anything like that, but I haven't done that. I understand. Yeah.

0:25:370:25:40

All right. Let me just have one more look.

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It's judgement time.

0:25:470:25:49

The council says Joe ignored a "no right turn" sign

0:25:490:25:52

and made an illegal right turn.

0:25:520:25:54

Joe claims that he didn't turn right,

0:25:540:25:56

he turned into a car park on the other side of the road,

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turned around and drove off to what was then his left.

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If Caroline agrees with the council's story,

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Joe will be forced to cough up that ?130 fine.

0:26:070:26:10

I'm not sure I accept what you've told me

0:26:110:26:13

about looking for the parking space. Yeah.

0:26:130:26:15

It's not looking good.

0:26:170:26:18

Get your wallet ready, Joe.

0:26:200:26:22

But that doesn't really matter. I'm going to allow your appeal.

0:26:230:26:26

It's a great result for Joe.

0:26:270:26:30

He's been let off that ?130 fine.

0:26:300:26:33

I'm satisfied that, essentially, the mischief here was to stop motorists

0:26:340:26:38

turning at this junction in that direction at that point.

0:26:380:26:41

What you did was go off-road,

0:26:410:26:43

you've gone onto private area and you've done a three-point turn

0:26:430:26:46

and you've come back out. Yeah.

0:26:460:26:47

I'm going to allow your appeal on that basis.

0:26:490:26:52

Well, I didn't see that coming, did you?

0:26:520:26:54

All right. Thank you both for coming.

0:26:560:26:58

Thank you. That was... That was so simple!

0:26:580:27:00

Worth the trip up to London after all.

0:27:000:27:03

Fantastic. Well, yeah. But I'm still a little bit peeved

0:27:030:27:05

that I've travelled all the way from Surrey, bought a train ticket,

0:27:050:27:08

come all the way up here for her to look at it once and go,

0:27:080:27:11

"Thank you very much. You've won your case," walk out of here.

0:27:110:27:13

I'm absolutely ecstatic that I've won,

0:27:130:27:15

but I knew I was going to win anyway. We saw the evidence.

0:27:150:27:17

I've shown it to several other people and they've all seen it

0:27:170:27:20

and they all said, "You haven't contravened anything.

0:27:200:27:23

"You haven't done anything wrong." You know?

0:27:230:27:25

Don't forget, though,

0:27:250:27:27

the council think you did contravene those rules. Yeah.

0:27:270:27:30

So you were adamant you weren't and so were your mates and everyone else

0:27:300:27:34

you spoke to, but they were pretty adamant you had.

0:27:340:27:36

The bit that upsets me is that that can happen to lots of other people.

0:27:360:27:39

Lots of other people could have paid lots of money out to councils

0:27:390:27:43

over the years, to various councils...

0:27:430:27:45

..for stuff they hadn't committed.

0:27:470:27:48

But unless they pursue it, you don't know, do you?

0:27:480:27:51

Be totally honest with me, because it's over for you,

0:27:510:27:53

was there a couple of little porky pies there?

0:27:530:27:55

Did you stretch the truth? No, no. It was honestly the truth.

0:27:550:27:58

I was looking for Nando's. I turned round in that car park,

0:27:580:28:00

that private residential service road and then came out again.

0:28:000:28:03

You're obviously happy about the outcome.

0:28:030:28:04

Yeah. I'm just a bit annoyed that I've come all this way

0:28:040:28:07

and bought a train ticket to come to up to do it,

0:28:070:28:09

when I've written to them twice to ask them to cancel it,

0:28:090:28:12

and it has been a stressful process and I'm just glad it's over,

0:28:120:28:15

that's all that matters now. It's over.

0:28:150:28:16

It's actually probably cost you more money

0:28:160:28:18

to come here today and fight it. Yeah.

0:28:180:28:20

It's two lots of tickets to get here, all the time, all the effort.

0:28:200:28:24

And, yeah, we've lost. The reality is we've lost.

0:28:240:28:27

You've lost financially. Yeah.

0:28:270:28:28

You won the war but you lost the battle. Exactly.

0:28:280:28:30

But, you know, it's not about that.

0:28:300:28:32

This just proves to other people that they can have...

0:28:320:28:34

They do have a chance against these people, you know what I mean?

0:28:340:28:37

If you have a case, it is worth pursuing it.

0:28:370:28:39

A little victory sometimes is worth it.

0:28:390:28:41

Well, we all love a happy ending, so good luck to you. Cheers.

0:28:410:28:44

Thanks, Dom. Good luck. Cheers, Richard. Thanks.

0:28:440:28:46

Next, we're in the district of Pendle in Lancashire...

0:28:500:28:53

SHEEP BLEAT

0:28:530:28:56

..where the council team who protect the environment

0:28:560:28:58

are on patrol every day.

0:28:580:29:00

So where are we off to?

0:29:030:29:05

First job of the day is a skip that's apparently been emptied

0:29:050:29:10

by the skip company after a dispute over payment.

0:29:100:29:14

Um, apparently they've turned up after they've not been paid

0:29:140:29:18

and just tipped the skip onto the back street.

0:29:180:29:20

That's the story we're getting.

0:29:200:29:23

It's Environmental Crime Officers Matty Hargreaves

0:29:230:29:26

and Jeff Brown's job to clamp down on antisocial crimes

0:29:260:29:30

by issuing on-the-spot fines.

0:29:300:29:32

And, if the offence is serious enough,

0:29:320:29:35

they can issue a court summons.

0:29:350:29:36

They've taken the skip away and left the waste,

0:29:390:29:41

but we need to really speak to people,

0:29:410:29:44

see if anybody's actually seen it.

0:29:440:29:46

That's pretty awful. That's not good, is it?

0:29:460:29:48

Especially for what you'd hope would be a responsible company

0:29:480:29:52

when it comes to waste, a skip company,

0:29:520:29:54

they should know what's right and what's wrong.

0:29:540:29:56

We'll just go, we'll see what we can find.

0:29:560:29:59

Do a few door knocks, see if anybody has seen anything,

0:29:590:30:02

find out whose waste it is that's been dumped.

0:30:020:30:04

Do we know the skip company? Not yet, no.

0:30:040:30:07

That's something we need to find out.

0:30:070:30:09

The tip-off came from a local resident in the town of Colne.

0:30:090:30:13

It appears the contents of a skip had been dumped

0:30:130:30:16

in a back lane behind a house.

0:30:160:30:18

It's not only restricting access to people's houses,

0:30:180:30:22

this could be a potential fire hazard.

0:30:220:30:24

HORROR FILM STYLE MUSIC PLAYS

0:30:240:30:27

I tell you what, that's disgusting, isn't it?

0:30:270:30:30

If the culprit is caught,

0:30:300:30:31

they could get an on-the-spot penalty of up to ?400.

0:30:310:30:35

But if it's serious enough and the case goes to court,

0:30:350:30:38

they could be looking at a fine of up to ?50,000,

0:30:380:30:41

or even five years in prison.

0:30:410:30:44

Somebody's going to know whose waste it is, who's hired the skip.

0:30:440:30:48

So that's what we're here to really find out.

0:30:480:30:50

So what's the crime?

0:30:510:30:53

A massive pile of waste blocking the entire alley.

0:30:530:30:56

Just need to do some door knocking.

0:31:010:31:03

Nobody wants to talk to us today.

0:31:130:31:15

Hang on. Someone's actually in.

0:31:210:31:23

DOG BARKS

0:31:230:31:25

Hiya. I'm from the council. I believe you used to live at...

0:31:250:31:28

It's just, we're here regarding the waste in the back street.

0:31:300:31:33

The tenant claims it's her landlord who's responsible for the skip.

0:31:330:31:37

Do you know who your landlord was?

0:31:370:31:39

The skip has been on the backstreet more or less since she moved in

0:31:390:31:43

and she says it's the landlord that's dealing with the skip.

0:31:430:31:47

She's given her landlord's name.

0:31:470:31:50

But it's a step in the right direction.

0:31:500:31:53

Just need to probably knock on a few more houses,

0:31:530:31:55

see if anybody's seen anything.

0:31:550:31:57

Hiya. I'm from the council.

0:32:020:32:03

It's just regarding all the waste on the back street.

0:32:030:32:05

I'm just going to find out... No, no, no.

0:32:050:32:07

As far as I'm aware, it's...

0:32:070:32:09

Hold on, she'll tell you in a minute. There was a skip there...

0:32:090:32:12

They finally find someone who has a memory for details.

0:32:120:32:15

Did you see it happen?

0:32:170:32:19

No, I saw the van come.

0:32:190:32:20

It were... What day are we on today? Wednesday?

0:32:200:32:23

It could have been Friday last week.

0:32:230:32:26

Possibly Friday last week.

0:32:260:32:27

Possibly Friday last week, it could have been.

0:32:270:32:28

The skip were full and then, obviously,

0:32:280:32:30

they came and picked the skip up.

0:32:300:32:32

I don't know whether they left the waste or not.

0:32:320:32:33

I'm not too sure. Right. There's a big pile of waste.

0:32:330:32:35

I ain't seen it. Right, OK.

0:32:350:32:38

It seems that when the skip company wasn't paid,

0:32:380:32:42

they returned and dumped the contents of the skip

0:32:420:32:44

behind the house that had rented it.

0:32:440:32:46

So let's take a look at Matty and Jeff's case.

0:32:460:32:50

A pile of waste blocking an alleyway,

0:32:500:32:52

contacts for the landlord for the property it came from

0:32:520:32:56

and a lead for the skip hire company.

0:32:560:32:58

Could this all lead to a fine,

0:32:580:33:00

or worse?

0:33:000:33:02

So we've got a landlord that we can contact, hopefully,

0:33:020:33:05

regarding one of the addresses

0:33:050:33:06

and also a skip company who has supposedly, er...

0:33:060:33:09

..dealt with the waste.

0:33:110:33:13

But we've definitely got something to go on for now.

0:33:130:33:16

If Matty and Jeff's leads pay off,

0:33:170:33:19

somebody could be looking at a court summons,

0:33:190:33:22

which could mean up to a ?50,000 fine or up to five years' jail time.

0:33:220:33:27

Now that's a big price to pay for dumping a load of old rubbish.

0:33:270:33:31

In Crawley in Sussex,

0:33:380:33:40

partners Sam Lucas and Naveed Ur-Rehman

0:33:400:33:43

are council community wardens.

0:33:430:33:45

They're working to stamp out antisocial behaviour around the town

0:33:450:33:49

and, when they find it,

0:33:490:33:51

they'll need to ensure the culprits are dealt with.

0:33:510:33:54

We've got a call that, um...

0:33:560:33:59

there's a group of people, either they're drinking or smoking drugs.

0:33:590:34:04

It's in Goffs Park in Crawley,

0:34:040:34:06

so we're actually heading towards that place.

0:34:060:34:09

To reduce incidents of antisocial behaviour

0:34:090:34:12

in Crawley's public spaces,

0:34:120:34:14

Naveed and Sam can stop and move on anyone found drinking in public.

0:34:140:34:19

If they refuse to hand over the alcohol to us,

0:34:190:34:21

then we call the police for assistance.

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Let's see if we can go and catch them.

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Public drinking in this area is prohibited.

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But there might be more than booze at play here.

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We'll go and see what they're doing.

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They're moving now.

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But Naveed and Sam are in pursuit.

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Hello, guys. You all right?

0:34:520:34:54

We are the wardens, Crawley Council.

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Can I ask what you're doing here, sir?

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This area, basically, a lot of drinkers, people who come and drink.

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This is an area well-known to the Crawley wardens.

0:35:050:35:08

OK, people do come and do the business of drugs.

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And drugs dealing. And drugs dealing as well.

0:35:120:35:15

No alcohol here but evidence of something more worrying

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just around the corner.

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Naveed's just found an empty morphine bottle and also some foil,

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which is quite common with using drugs.

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Of course, we don't know if this group was involved in drugs

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but, with the group moved on, Naveed and Sam's patrol continues.

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Another hour, another park.

0:35:490:35:51

Sam and Naveed know some culprits take cover in the bushes.

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So that's the place. Normally, they come round, sit round over here

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but, because we are checking this area more frequently now,

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so we're having less problems now.

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So people are not coming here, so it means we're achieving our aim.

0:36:060:36:11

This group on the grass have attracted the team's attention.

0:36:140:36:17

It's the morning and they're enjoying a tipple and a smoke.

0:36:170:36:21

Hello. Hello, Mike.

0:36:210:36:24

Hello, sir. We're the wardens.

0:36:240:36:27

Crawley Council, yeah?

0:36:280:36:30

You're just having a drink, yeah?

0:36:300:36:33

Obviously they're drinking and Crawley's a non-alcoholic zone.

0:36:330:36:37

Is that your cigarette? Sorry?

0:36:370:36:39

Excuse me, is that your cigarette?

0:36:390:36:41

OK. Sorry.

0:36:410:36:42

You can't... You can't leave it on the floor, sir.

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If they refuse to pick it up,

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there could be an ?80 fine for littering on the cards.

0:36:470:36:50

Yeah, you can smoke.

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You can smoke, but once you finish, make sure it goes into the bin, OK?

0:36:510:36:55

But the littering doesn't end there.

0:36:550:36:58

There's a bottle in the bushes.

0:36:580:36:59

Is that your bottle, yeah?

0:36:590:37:02

Is this your bottle?

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And a defensive reaction.

0:37:030:37:04

This is not mine, not mine.

0:37:040:37:06

But you are drinking Coke.

0:37:060:37:08

No, no, no. This mine.

0:37:080:37:10

So let's look at what the team found.

0:37:110:37:14

Drinking alcohol in a restricted zone

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could result in action by the police.

0:37:190:37:22

If they're acting antisocial,

0:37:230:37:24

then we do take their drink from them, we can do.

0:37:240:37:27

Sam's decided to give them a warning, this time.

0:37:270:37:31

We've obviously advised them they shouldn't really be drinking,

0:37:310:37:34

but in this case, they're just having a general drink,

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so we've just told them they should really leave if they want to drink.

0:37:380:37:41

They shouldn't really be drinking here.

0:37:410:37:44

I'm in Wiltshire, on the spot with PC Jay Clifton.

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In 12 years as a traffic cop,

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he's handed out thousands of on-the-spot fines.

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Do you ever think, "This person probably can't afford this fine"?

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Or, "Perhaps I should cut them a bit of slack" or whatever?

0:38:080:38:11

Or is it very black and white to you?

0:38:110:38:13

We understand that not everyone's got a lot of money

0:38:130:38:16

and times can be hard but, at the same time,

0:38:160:38:20

if you're going to do something

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which is blatantly breaking a traffic law,

0:38:220:38:26

then you know that you're going to have to pay the consequences

0:38:260:38:29

and that is going to be,

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normally, a fixed penalty notice or going to court with a hefty fine.

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So, the rules are the rules.

0:38:340:38:36

And it's not long before Jay spots a driver breaking one right behind us.

0:38:380:38:43

The guy behind us is definitely on the phone.

0:38:430:38:45

I'm just going to pull over. Oh.

0:38:450:38:47

You can tell from there?

0:38:470:38:49

Yeah, in the van, he's coming past us now. See it?

0:38:490:38:52

'We're in an unmarked car,

0:38:520:38:54

'so this white van man is unaware his lawbreaking

0:38:540:38:57

'has been clocked by the cops.'

0:38:570:38:59

So we're going to go past him now.

0:38:590:39:01

Hello. Bang to rights. Yeah, there we go.

0:39:050:39:08

So we've got a driver on the mobile phone.

0:39:080:39:10

What we're going to do is I'm going to get him to follow me

0:39:100:39:12

into the service station up ahead.

0:39:120:39:14

He looked you right in the face and dropped it immediately, didn't he?

0:39:140:39:17

Yeah, he knows exactly what he was doing was wrong.

0:39:170:39:19

'But he might not realise he could be facing a hefty fine.'

0:39:190:39:22

He knows he's in for a ticking off.

0:39:220:39:24

Or could it be worse than a ticking off?

0:39:260:39:28

There's a ?100 on-the-spot fine for using your mobile while driving,

0:39:280:39:32

so could this guy be on the sharp end of a ticket?

0:39:320:39:36

Do you find that annoying, that people are doing that?

0:39:360:39:38

They're on a motorway, middle lane, in a van,

0:39:380:39:41

one hand on the phone, chatting away, does it rile you?

0:39:410:39:46

There's no excuse for it, there is no excuse for it.

0:39:460:39:49

As we've just said, technology today, there are hands-free kits,

0:39:490:39:53

Bluetooth kits, there's a multitude of ways

0:39:530:39:55

to be able to deal with this,

0:39:550:39:56

without having to have your hands off the steering wheel.

0:39:560:40:00

And this gentleman's about to find out the hard way.

0:40:010:40:05

Listening to Jay, does anyone else feel

0:40:050:40:07

there could be a fine on the way?

0:40:070:40:09

Hello. Hello. Do you have your licence with you?

0:40:090:40:12

No. No? OK. Is the vehicle yours?

0:40:120:40:14

It's not mine, it's my dad's. But I'm...

0:40:140:40:17

OK. I know it's obvious.

0:40:170:40:19

The reason I've stopped you is, as I've gone past,

0:40:190:40:21

I've seen you using a hand-held mobile phone.

0:40:210:40:23

I've got to point out it is an offence to drive a motor vehicle

0:40:230:40:25

whilst using a hand-held mobile phone.

0:40:250:40:27

Is there any lawful reason you can give me

0:40:270:40:29

as to why you were doing that? Um, no.

0:40:290:40:30

No? OK. Thank you for your honesty.

0:40:300:40:33

So let's look at the facts.

0:40:340:40:37

Spotted on his mobile phone, while driving on the motorway.

0:40:370:40:40

You know what? You've even got it on camera.

0:40:410:40:44

Hello!

0:40:450:40:46

What we're going to do, we're going to take a seat in my car,

0:40:460:40:49

got a bit of paperwork to fill out.

0:40:490:40:50

The way I propose to deal with this is by way of a fixed penalty notice.

0:40:500:40:53

It's a ?100 fine with three points on your licence.

0:40:530:40:56

So there it is.

0:40:560:40:57

Three points on his licence and a ?100 fine.

0:40:570:41:00

How do you feel about the outcome of what's just happened to you?

0:41:000:41:03

Um...

0:41:030:41:05

I feel very stupid, to be honest with you.

0:41:050:41:08

I've even got Bluetooth in my van.

0:41:080:41:11

Why didn't you use it? I didn't have it switched on in my phone.

0:41:110:41:13

Yeah. It's habit, isn't it?

0:41:130:41:15

Your phone goes, you...

0:41:150:41:17

..you pick it up. It's wrong, it is wrong, but it does happen.

0:41:180:41:23

Do you have any sort of animosity or anger...?

0:41:230:41:26

LAUGHING: No, cos you shouldn't be on your phone! Yeah.

0:41:260:41:28

You shouldn't be on your phone, so, no, not at all.

0:41:280:41:31

OK. So basically you've got your hands up in the air.

0:41:310:41:34

Yeah, a stupid, stupid mistake

0:41:340:41:36

and so I'm definitely going to learn from it.

0:41:360:41:38

What I'm finding, the more and more time I'm spending,

0:41:380:41:41

not just with you, but out on the road with various police forces,

0:41:410:41:46

most people are so...

0:41:460:41:49

They're sort of almost relieved that you've been so nice

0:41:500:41:53

and that they know they've done wrong,

0:41:530:41:55

and that no-one seems to have a problem with it.

0:41:550:41:57

You know, it's a case of, "Yeah, it's a fair cop."

0:41:570:42:00

I rather expected people to be a little bit more annoyed,

0:42:000:42:04

either with themselves or certainly with you guys,

0:42:040:42:06

but people know they're doing wrong and they just take it, don't they?

0:42:060:42:09

They do, and it's all about how we speak to them.

0:42:090:42:12

I expect to be spoken to the way I speak to people.

0:42:120:42:15

If I jump out and start shouting and screaming,

0:42:150:42:17

they're going to shout and scream at me,

0:42:170:42:19

but if I'm polite and courteous, they'll be exactly the same back.

0:42:190:42:22

I don't know if you saw, as we approached Shane

0:42:220:42:24

before we got him out of the vehicle,

0:42:240:42:25

he had his head in his hands on his steering wheel.

0:42:250:42:27

Yeah. So his emotional reaction happened within the car,

0:42:270:42:31

prior to him being in the car with us.

0:42:310:42:33

So there was a reaction there.

0:42:330:42:35

Expensive mistake for him, wasn't it?

0:42:350:42:37

?100, three points.

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An expensive mistake indeed.

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But if he stops using his phone when driving,

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then maybe it's been worth it.

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Thanks for watching. Join me next time for more Dom On The Spot.

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