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What makes this country great is that we give money to people who genuinely need it. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
The problem is that wherever there's money, there are people who want to steal it. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints and Scroungers! | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Saints and Scroungers is about busting the benefit thieves | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
who steal millions every year from you and me - the taxpayer. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
Thankfully, all over the country, crack fraud investigators are pulling out all the stops | 0:00:43 | 0:00:49 | |
to track down cheats and put an end to their scams. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Coming up on today's programme... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
We're going to show you how an old lady got busted | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
for a housing benefit scam that lasted for more than 20 years! | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
It's just not the behaviour you expect from 81-year-olds. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
From the scroungers ripping off the system, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
to the saints who deserve every penny. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
We meet Jim Swift, who was desperate for help | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
when his wife was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
The biggest fear was that I wouldn't be able to afford | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
to pay the bills if I couldn't manage to care for my wife at home. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:32 | |
First today, the story of one old lady and her 20-year scam. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
Ah, retirement. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
After more than four decades of hard graft, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
it's time to start enjoying your golden years. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Relax, put your feet up, take it easy, enjoy the finer things in life. Thank you... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:54 | |
But what if that wasn't enough? | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
What if you wanted more? | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
How far would you go to get it? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Meet 81-year-old Ellen Lynch. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
She may look like a sweet old lady, but don't be fooled! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
She's spent more than two decades lying to different councils, while claiming £70,000 in benefits. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
She's been living out her golden years in a £700,000 property in Tunbridge Wells, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
while you and me pay for her two-bed weekend pad in Central London! | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
Fraud officers believe that, despite the innocent facade, Lynch is a calculating fraudster. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
She sounded like you'd expect an 81-year-old to sound. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
A...a nice elderly lady. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Um...maybe I'll be looking at elderly people in a different light from now on. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
It's July 2007, and 81-year-old Lynch is out for a walk | 0:02:51 | 0:02:57 | |
near her Lambeth flat. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:58 | |
She's recognized in the community, but rarely given a second glance. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
I seen her walking along the street. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
She looks really lonely, when she's coming back from shopping. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
But that's... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
that's how she always looked. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
She just looks like an ordinary, old-ish lady, you know? | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
An ordinary lady who could be missing out on Government cash. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Lynch has been claiming Housing Benefit | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
and Council Tax Benefit on her Lambeth flat since 1984, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:35 | |
but for some reason she wasn't receiving her state pension, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
something that most people of retirement age are entitled to. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
It is unusual for someone of Ellen Lynch's age not to have a pension, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
and one of the things we wanted to make sure | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
was that she was getting all the money and help she was entitled to. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
So the council, believing they were going to help | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
a sweet old lady in need, paid Ellen Lynch a visit. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
'Initially, we went along that this was an elderly lady,' | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
and a mistake had been made on her claim. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
In order to get her signed up for state pension, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
they simply needed to get some identification. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
'To verify all this, we'd be looking for things like birth certificates' | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
marriage certificates, passports, that type of thing. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Lynch doesn't have any ID in the house | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
and claims not to know where she was born, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
brought up, or even whether she has brothers or sisters! | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
'The investigators certainly had the impression that this wasn't' | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
an innocent, confused, elderly lady. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
'She answered the questions, knew why the questions were being asked,' | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
just didn't answer truthfully. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
'I don't think the investigator totally believed her.' | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
The suspicious answers are like a red rag to a bull for the Lambeth fraud team | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
and they decide to dig deeper. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Entering Mrs Lynch's details into the Land Registry throws out a surprising result. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:11 | |
There was an Ellen Lynch of a similar date of birth claiming benefits in Tunbridge Wells. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:17 | |
Tunbridge Wells? The epitome of middle England? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
The place regularly voted one of the best places in the country to live? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
What could a lady living in social housing in Lambeth have to do with Tunbridge Wells? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
Kathy contacts Richard Powell, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
her benefits team counterpart in the area, to make sure | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
that Lambeth's Ellen Lynch is the same person. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
We were able to advise Lambeth that we were certainly dealing with the same individual. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
And that was based on the physical description of the lady, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and also on confirmation of her signature on various documents | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
that had been exchanged between the two authorities. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
And that isn't the last surprising bit of news. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
The Ellen Lynch in Tunbridge Wells was claiming council tax benefit for a four-bedroom property in the area. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:06 | |
That's council tax benefit currently worth over £1,600 a year on a £700,000 house! | 0:06:06 | 0:06:13 | |
Richard and his team really are disgusted - and with good reason. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
We as officers had a clear suspicion that we were dealing with the same Ellen Lynch in both circumstances, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:25 | |
claiming housing benefit in London and Council Tax Benefit on a separate property, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:32 | |
not declared one to the other, here in Tunbridge Wells. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
So the picture is finally clear. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Ellen Lynch spends most of the week in her £700,000 house in Tunbridge Wells, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
but when she fancies a trip into town, she jumps on the train | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
and stays at her London flat! | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
Her scam is the fact that she's not told either Lambeth | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
or Tunbridge Wells council about the other property | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and fraudulently claims benefits on both, totalling nearly 70,000. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
It's just not the behaviour you expect from 81-year-olds. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:11 | |
Later in the show, we find out what happens when investigators bring Ellen Lynch in for questioning. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
Next, it's goodbye to the benefits scroungers | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
and hello to the people who actually deserve Government help. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Some people don't claim because they don't know they're entitled to something, | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
but it's some people's mission to shine a light on the cash available for those genuinely in need! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:51 | |
We call them the Saints. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
A blissful marriage, two wonderful daughters, 30 years in the job he loved. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
Jim Swift was really looking forward to his retirement. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
But life had other plans. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
Jim and Jan Swift live together at home in Bolton. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
But in 2002, Jan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
an event that, within just a few years, would leave Jim at rock bottom. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
I've come to meet Jim to find out more. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
How did you two meet? | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
We met at the first school I started teaching at. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Jan was already there, it took me a couple of months to get to know her and we started going out. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
-Our first date we travelled some 242 miles. -Wow! | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-That was our first date. -Where did you go? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
We went to Trentham Gardens, Alton Towers | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
and on the way home, Jan said, "I wouldn't mind having fish and chips on the seafront in Blackpool." | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
So, that's where we went. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
The couple were married in the summer of 1969 | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
and settled into a happy life living and working together. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
The pair had two daughters, Helen and Claire. Things couldn't be better. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:09 | |
Until Jan became ill six years ago, we had an idyllic life. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Things were pretty rosy. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
But Jim and Jan weren't going to have | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
the happy retirement they had dreamt of. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
-CHURCH BELLS PEAL -Noisy, isn't it? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Things were great, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
heading to retirement, looking forward to that. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
-In 1996, we went on holiday to Italy. -Right. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
It was on the holiday in Italy that I first noticed something wrong. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
We'd had a fantastic day in Venice. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
The following evening, we went out for meal. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Jan suddenly said, "Where did we go yesterday?" | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
That sounds silly, but even in those early stages | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
I knew something was wrong, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
because of the utter fear in her eyes. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
She really couldn't remember this fantastic day we'd had. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
But we got back to England, things seemed pretty much the same and so I put it to the back of my mind. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:05 | |
But over the next couple of years, Jan gradually became more and more forgetful. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
Jan stopped paying bills. I would open the cupboards and find 12 tins of tuna, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:19 | |
because Jan couldn't remember if we needed any tuna and kept on buying it. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
So there were indicators like that | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
which led me to go to the doctor and he referred me to a psychiatrist. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
The psychiatrist sent Jan for a scan. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
When the brain scan came back and I was told she had a perfectly normal brain, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:40 | |
I told Jan what had been going on. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Her reply was that she was glad that I hadn't told her | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
because she wouldn't have wanted to know the worst. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
But by 2002, it was clear to Jim | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
that he could no longer ignore the symptoms. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Things didn't get any better | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
and so she was sent for a further brain scan in Manchester. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
The results of that showed that she did in fact have Alzheimer's, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
and because she had indicated she didn't want to know the worst, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:15 | |
then since that time I haven't told her, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
so to this day, she's not aware that she has dementia. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
-That's your family, isn't it, yes? Your sister. -I don't know. -Deborah. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
Oh, Deborah! Of course, of course. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Today, even some of the most significant moments of their lives have disappeared from her memory. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:39 | |
What's that? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
-What's this? -You tell it. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
That's you and I on our wedding day. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
Over the years, things disappeared, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
such as being able to write her own name, being able to deal with money. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
She is no longer aware of where the toilet is. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
She will ask, "Where's the toilet? Where's the bedroom?" | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
Which means, although she spent | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
a lot of her teaching career teaching nursery and infant children, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
her mental capacity is now less than theirs. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Jim had to retire early, leaving him with a seriously depleted pension | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
and he spent nearly all his savings caring for Jan, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
making adaptations to the house and making her life as good as possible. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
Financially, things were starting to get a bit worrying. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
I was going through my savings, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
and also I didn't realise how I was being affected. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
-Clean your teeth? -Me? -Yeah. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Jim really wants to care for Jan at home, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
so he converted the garage into a downstairs bedroom with walk-in shower. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
But as she got worse, Jim was terrified he'd made the wrong decision. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
The biggest fear was that I wouldn't be able to afford | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
to pay the bills, if I couldn't manage to care for my wife at home. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
Having coped for years on his own, Jim was emotionally and financially drained. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
He was determined never to abandon Jan, but his biggest fear was that | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
he wouldn't have the means to fulfil his promise. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
But his life is about to change for the better. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Through his local hospital, he is put in contact with Paula Smith, an Admiral Nurse. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:45 | |
Admiral Nurses are specialist nurses who work with the carers of people with dementia, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
and Paula knows just how tough it can be caring for someone with Alzheimer's. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
-Hi, Paula. -Hi, Jim. -Do you want to come in? -Thanks very much. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
He was referred to us as he was finding it difficult coming to terms with Jan's diagnosis | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
and the changes that he was seeing in her. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
How have things been going since I last saw you? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Having found someone who fully understands what he is going through | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
means Jim no longer has to cope on his own. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Providing 24-hour care for somebody with Alzheimer's is really difficult | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
because you literally provide 24-hour care with no break. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Jim is a very devoted husband, he wants to enhance Jan's quality of life. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:34 | |
He's made a conscious decision that he wants to provide the care for Jan | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
within their own home for as long as he is physically able. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
Reluctant at first to admit that he couldn't just soldier on, Paula helps Jim to understand | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
that his health is every bit as vital as Jan's. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
It's important to support carers of people with Alzheimer's, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
because the carer is best placed to provide the level of support | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
that the person with the diagnosis needs. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
-That's your first one - one more coming up. -Ooh! | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Paula gives me the chance to let off steam and to talk to someone about Jan's condition. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:12 | |
To talk to someone who's visited patients with the same sort of behaviour makes it easier to talk. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:19 | |
-Conversation can be great healer for a lot of things, can't it? -It can, yes. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Sometimes things that she does really frustrate you, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
and then the guilt kicks in and you get annoyed | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
and then you're guilty, because you know that your wife isn't doing it deliberately. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
For instance, she will go to the toilet and have reams of toilet paper in her pocket. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
She'll wander round with a cushion in her hand, she follows me everywhere. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
It can be frustrating, with the best will in the world. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
But Paula has done more that just listen. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
She tells Jim that he could claim benefits that would help him look after Jan at home. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
We looked at what benefits he was in receipt of | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
and we then looked at what his entitlement was and what Jan's entitlement was. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
We consequently applied for those benefits. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
What sort of care and allowances did they advise you to get? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
The Carer's Allowance, for myself, and the Disability Living Allowance for Jan, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
which is comprised of two components - care and mobility. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Give me an idea of how much money that gives you a month and what that enables you to do. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
Altogether, I get several hundred pounds a month. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
With that money I'm able to pay for carers | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
to come in and look after Jan, I'm able to pay for her respite care. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Thanks to Paula's support and the various benefits, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Jim now gets a break two days a week when Jan goes to respite care. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
-What is respite? -Respite gives me a chance to recharge my batteries. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
I'm exhausted most of the time. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Originally, I thought because I was younger | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
that I'd be stronger and more able to cope, but you aren't. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
This is a disease that would wear down an Olympic athlete, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
because it's looking after two people now, 24 hours a day. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
So respite gives me a chance to do something for myself. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Jim now has the chance to get away from things, if only for a short time. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
He loves nothing more than taking a stroll out into the hills near his home, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
something that without respite care he was unable to do. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Jan is the love of my life, but I do need, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
for my benefit, and for Jan's, to come out here, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
to get away from the situation, to enjoy the scenery, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
because I cannot do the job 24/7 and keep my sanity, without a break. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:46 | |
You can forget, albeit temporarily, the problems you have. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
And for a short while, I suppose you could say I'm at peace, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
away from the dreadful situation that my wife is in. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
When I first sent her into respite, I felt as if I'd betrayed her, abandoned her | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
because I was sending her into an environment where she could well be unhappy. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
But I do realise now it's vital for carers to have breaks. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
How are things now, six years down the line? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
Jan recently has entered what I think is the last stage, she's started to get aggressive. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
She tells me I'm stupid, nasty, horrible, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
which is difficult to take, but I realise it's not the real Jan. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
I'm now living with somebody who used to be my wife, but is fast disappearing. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
This is a disease that strips away every vestige of humanity bit by bit. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
Lots of people have difficulties in their life, what would you say to do? | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
There are benefits out there, I feel some should be increased. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
But in the first instance, you are at loss. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
You don't know who to turn to, who to speak to. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Perhaps the Citizens Advice Bureau or the Admiral Nurse Service that cares for people with dementia. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:10 | |
But they are there to help you and you really will need that. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
For the future, Jim, what's your hopes? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
I have long ago given up hope that there will be a cure for Alzheimer's. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:23 | |
So my intention is to keep Jan at home as long as possible, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
in fact, right through her illness if I'm strong enough to do so. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
To send Jan away, even if I visited her every day, would seem like abandoning her. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
I know Jan is being taken care of today, this is your day of rest and recuperation, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
-so I want to say thanks for me tea and I'm going to love you and leave you. Take care. -Bye. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
I am so pleased that Jim is now getting help he needs, which allows him | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
to take care of wife and ensures he can take a well-earned break. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
Jan means everything to me. If I can make her happy as possible, then I will have done my job. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:10 | |
Since 1984, Ellen Lynch has been living in a housing association flat in Lambeth | 0:20:18 | 0:20:24 | |
and claiming housing benefit and council tax on that property | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
while at the same time claiming further benefits on her four bedroom house in Tunbridge Wells. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:36 | |
It's a double scam - ripping off two councils. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
Alex Wrigley runs a housing association scheme | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
providing a vital service for the locals. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
It can be frustrating when dealing with abuses of social housing, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
not only for me as a social landlord trying to put people in the right properties, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:58 | |
but especially for people on the waiting list | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
who have been waiting for years for the right property to become available. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
On this estate, we have 270 properties and very rarely do they become free. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
And with waiting times up to a year, when they do become free the competition is staggering. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
75% of the people we put in come from Lambeth council's waiting list. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
That waiting list stands in the thousands. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
It's certainly not for people who own properties in the Home Counties worth £700,000. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
For neighbour Trevor, the callous way in which Lynch had played the system | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
for so many years was particularly galling. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
I feel really upset about it, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
because a lot of people haven't got nowhere to go, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
sleeping on the street and that, and then you told me what's going on. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
I just think it's diabolical, really, know what I mean? | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Luckily Kathy Bateman, from Lambeth's Benefits Investigation Team, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
is hard on the trail of this devious octogenarian. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
We were more than happy that we were dealing with a multiple claim, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
and it was time to call Mrs Lynch in for a formal interview. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
And we arranged for our Tunbridge Wells colleagues to take part | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
in that interview, where they could also formally identify her | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
as the person they had been to see. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
The purpose of these interviews is to establish the true facts, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
and to give people the opportunity to offer some form of explanation for the discrepancies we've got. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:53 | |
Ellen Lynch was unable to do that to any degree of satisfaction. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:59 | |
She was firstly presented with evidence of the way she had submitted claims | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
for housing benefit at Lambeth over many years, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
year by year not acknowledging - and there is a specific question that asks for this information - | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
that she had ownership of a property elsewhere, i.e. in Tunbridge Wells. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
Don't be fooled by the sweet old lady act. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
The investigators are convinced she knows exactly what's going on. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
The best argument that she could come up with was that she didn't believe | 0:24:35 | 0:24:42 | |
owning a house in Tunbridge Wells would have any impact on her claim in Lambeth. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
She felt the rented property in London was just somewhere she happened to be, it was rented, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
and she distinguished between a rented property that was a convenience | 0:25:07 | 0:25:13 | |
and what she called her home in Tunbridge Wells, which was her purchased property, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
and she argued that because one was in Kent and one was in London, there was no relationship between them | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
and claims she made in relation to the two properties should therefore be completely separate. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
That's a bit difficult to believe. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
We were fairly forthright with her, saying that she was being dishonest at that stage | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
in seeking to deny she had these two identities, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and that she was seeking to live two separate lives, as far as the councils were concerned. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:47 | |
We were satisfied at that point that an offence had been committed | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
and that Ellen Lynch knew exactly what she'd been doing. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
Over the course of more than 16 years, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Ellen Lynch has defrauded the taxpayer to the tune of £70,000. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
It's the 16th May 2008 and Ellen Lynch appears before the Inner London Crown Court. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
In the face of overwhelming evidence against her, she drops the facade. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
By the time that Ellen Lynch had got to the Inner London Crown Court, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
she'd stopped playing the innocent old lady and decided to plead guilty. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
Ellen Lynch is found guilty on three counts of False Accounting, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
and ordered to repay more than £63,000 in Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit to Lambeth, | 0:26:56 | 0:27:03 | |
plus a further £7,000 in Council Tax Benefit to Tunbridge Wells. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
She's also made to pay £2,000 in costs to Lambeth. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
And to ensure the message is heard loud and clear, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
the judge imposes a £50,000 fine, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
which has to be paid within 28 days or it's 18 months in jail. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:25 | |
I think Ellen knew that she'd done something wrong. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
We heard that everyday she attended the crown court, she had with her a little bag | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
that had a nightdress and toothbrush inside. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
Maybe she thought she was going to prison. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
And for investigator Kathy, Lynch was to provide one final surprise. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:49 | |
She'd paid off, in full, all the money she'd fraudulently obtained. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
She managed to do that in a one-off payment in excess of £70,000, | 0:27:53 | 0:28:00 | |
which, given that Ellen Lynch told us | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
she'd never worked a day in her life, that's quite an achievement. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
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