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Saint And Scroungers puts the spotlight on benefit thieves.

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People who steal millions from the British taxpayer.

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We also search out the saints.

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People who help put unclaimed cash into the hands of those who really need it.

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Saints And Scroungers is all about busting benefit thieves who steal millions every year,

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and the crack teams of investigators determined to scupper their devious scams.

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We also shine a light on those who genuinely need the money and the people who help them get it.

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They are our saints. The saints get help

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and the fraudsters get their comeuppance.

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Coming up on today's show.

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The dentist who shamelessly stole £307,000 from the NHS,

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despite already earning a six-figure salary.

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-So well in excess of £400,000 he had coming in each year.

-Thereabouts, yes.

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Gordon Bennett! He was rolling in it.

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And we meet the teenager who hit rock bottom

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and struggled to turn her life around.

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They said if you breach this, we'll send you to jail

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because you're not listening

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And my heart just sunk. I thought, "I can't do time in jail."

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Working as a dentist carries with it a sort of respectability.

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You've trained hard and you are paid well

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for looking after the teeth and gums of the nation.

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Open wide, please.

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Working as a prison dentist is perhaps not the most rewarding job...

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There's a bit of tartar build-up there.

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..Unless, of course, you're getting paid for it twice by the taxpayer.

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I can see problems ahead.

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John Hudson had built a nice lifestyle for himself, his wife and three kids,

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thanks to years of hard work running a dental practice in his home time of Rochdale,

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where he catered for private and NHS patients.

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But he had another string to his bow.

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For the past ten years, he's been working

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at nearby Altcourse Prison to provide dental services for inmates.

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So far, so respectable. but imagine the shock

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when it became known that this apparently decent pillar of the community

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was suspected of cheating the NHS out of a whopping £306,961.

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That is a pretty breathtaking figure and I wanted to know

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if fraud on that scale was common in the NHS.

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So I went along to the headquarters of NHS Protect,

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the dedicated division whose job it is to tackle crime across the health service.

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Liz Wood is an anti-fraud specialist with NHS Protect.

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Her main focus is dental fraud.

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If you were to investigate a case, when would you start doing it?

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Is there a line, where over a certain amount you start investigating?

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Generally, I don't investigate anything under £100,000.

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-Wow, a lot of money.

-It's an awful lot of money.

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NHS Protect clearly deals with a lot of dental fraud every year

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but even by Liz's standards, the sums involved in the John Hudson case were huge.

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How on Earth had it all come about?

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Her Majesty's Prison Altcourse is a privately run prison.

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Who pays for dental treatment there?

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Until fairly recently, it was provided by a private company.

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This private company would employ their own dentist,

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or dentists, one of them being John Hudson, correct?

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Yes, that's true.

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So John Hudson had a contract worth a considerable amount of money with a private medical provider

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to do dental work at HMP Altcourse.

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Pauline Smith, head of anti-fraud at NHS Protect in the North West,

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takes up the story.

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It was established that Mr Hudson had held a contract

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for providing dental services at HMP Altcourse since 1998.

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He was paid on a sessional basis £400 per session,

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usually two sessions per day, two days per week.

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Hmm. A nice little earner, you might think,

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but keeping the nation's gnashers in good nick is a responsible job.

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And you would expect an experienced dentist to be well paid.

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Hmm.

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HMP Altcourse is in Liverpool, but because he was working there under a private contract,

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Hudson had no direct contact with Liverpool NHS.

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But, in 2004, the rules changed and all dentists were required to register

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with a local Primary Care Trust, so Hudson duly reported to Liverpool PCT.

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Mr Hudson was issued with his dental-contract number,

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which would allow him to commence being paid for NHS services he provided.

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As far as we were aware, Mr Hudson, however,

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continued to provide dental services under private contract.

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So as far as the authorities were concerned, everything was above board.

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But jump forward to 2008

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and a routine phone call from the prison's private medical provider

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to Liverpool Primary Care Trust reveals a very different story.

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When did you become aware something wasn't quite right with what John Hudson was doing?

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Basically, there was a new manager arrived at the prison

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and decided to check whether the amounts they were paying for lab work,

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that's dentures, bridges, crowns,

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whether they were in the right sort of area.

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Because there's a vast difference in the amounts that you can pay for lab work.

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The new manager rang up the local Primary Care Trust and said,

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"Can you give you some advice?"

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And the people in the Primary Care Trust were very surprised about this,

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because they thought they were paying for the dental treatment, rather than the prison.

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Hang on a minute, so who was paying John Hudson?

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Was it the private medical company, or was it the NHS?

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At this point, both parties were in a state of confusion.

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Both appeared to be holding contracts for the provision of dental services within HMP Altcourse.

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Clearly, there was either an error, or something was not quite right.

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But there was no denying the one figure at the centre of all this -

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John Hudson. The dentist was suspended from his duties with immediate effect

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while the NHS Protect fraud team started to investigate.

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Pauline knew that John Hudson had registered with Liverpool PCT in 2004.

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So she was able to access his records.

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The first thing we did was extracted both contracts,

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both the privately held contract and the NHS contract

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to establish any evidence of overlap

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or to identify which was accurate and which, if any, was incorrect.

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Hudson's private contract with the prison showed

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that he had started there in 1998 and was being paid around £120,000 a year.

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His NHS contract, however, didn't start until 2006.

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In 2006, Mr Hudson negotiated an NHS dental contract

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to provide dental services at HMP Altcourse with Liverpool Primary Care Trust.

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The contract was worth £136,000 per annum,

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paid monthly at £12,000 per month.

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So Hudson's NHS contract at 12 grand a month

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was worth even more than his private one at a mere 10 grand a month.

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But, how had he managed to swindle the NHS

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into giving him a contract with HMP Altcourse,

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when he was already working there in a private capacity?

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To understand how this could have happened,

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we have to go back to 2006, when the NHS changed the way it paid its dentists.

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Up to 2006, they were paid for every dental procedure they provided.

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For example, every check-up, every scale and polish

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and every filling provided.

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From 2006, the NHS paid its dentists on an annual contract.

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It seems that this change in the rules presented Hudson

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with an opportunity for fraud that he couldn't resist.

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Tell me about John Hudson.

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He applied to get a contract

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specifically to supply NHS work to the prison,

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despite the fact that he was being paid privately to provide the same work.

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On his application form there is actually a box you're supposed to tick

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to say, "I do some work privately," but that is blank.

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-This is a copy of the form.

-OK.

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-Independent, private.

-That box is not ticked.

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So the fact that he hasn't ticked the box

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means the NHS are assuming he's not doing private work?

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Yes, the NHS takes these things at face value.

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It's a prison contract, we assume he's not doing private work.

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So it was becoming clear that for the past two years,

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Hudson had been cynically ripping off the NHS to the tune of around £136,000 a year,

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while being paid £120,000 by the private medical company

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But that wasn't the half of it.

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He also had his personal practice, the other one, the dental practice.

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He had an NHS contract, which in 2010,

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was worth just under £195,000.

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Plus any private work that he did.

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-So well in excess of £400,000 he had coming in each year?

-Yes.

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Gordon Bennett! He was rolling in it.

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Later, Hudson clearly had no qualms about stealing money from the NHS

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to line his own pockets, but what would happen

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when his extravagant lifestyle caught up with him?

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When he was actually on holiday in the Caribbean,

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he said he was treating patients at the same time.

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-While he's on a beach, he's putting claims in for treatment he wasn't doing?

-That's true.

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And still to come, we meet the benefit cheat

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whose love of the golf course would be his undoing.

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That person portrayed on the claim form was not really consistent

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with somebody playing golf three or four times a week.

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Next, it's farewell to the scroungers and hello to the saints.

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The innocent men and women all over the UK in dire need of Government help.

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And the people who show them the way to claim what they deserve.

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Growing up in care can be difficult

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and a lot of people get over that hurdle.

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But, do you know, about a third of children who leave care

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end up employed and on Jobseeker's Allowance?

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19-year-old Ella Barnett went into care at 13 and spent

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the next three years going from school to school

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and from foster parent to care home.

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Life was never going to be easy for this teenager.

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I went into care between 13 and 14.

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I went a lot off the rails,

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drinking, stealing, smoking.

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I didn't think anyone cared about me, so I thought, "Why do I care?"

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Ella's clearly had the kind of childhood you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.

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I've come along to Ashford in Kent to meet her and find out how she's doing now.

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-Right. Tell me about you, Ella. 19-years-old?

-Yes.

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-You've had quite a life, though?

-Yes.

-Tell me about it.

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My mum and dad split up when I was younger.

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My mum left, my dad took care of me and my little sister.

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Tell me about the problems you remember.

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My dad not being in a stable relationship,

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-there were a lot of people coming in and out of our lives.

-Yep.

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Did you feel you weren't getting the parental love you expected?

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Yeah. Definitely.

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I just felt it was me against the world.

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-What about your sister?

-My sister, we didn't get along.

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It was just that clash. She wanted my dad, I wanted my dad.

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If she got more attention, I'd get jealous,

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if I got more attention, she'd get jealous.

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Things were made worse because Ella's father was often away from home working.

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I started misbehaving when my dad was going away.

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My dad would come home and start shouting.

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I just thought, "I don't want this."

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So I was just going out all the time, I didn't care.

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-I'd sneak out of the windows.

-Yeah.

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-How old were you?

-I was about 10, 11.

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Things were bad at home and, by now, Ella's schoolwork was suffering.

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If I did go to school, I wouldn't do my homework.

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I didn't really bother at school, I just didn't care at school any more.

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But the problems really began when Ella was 13

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and she started drinking and shoplifting.

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-Did the police get involved?

-Yeah, they did.

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I went to court I don't how many times. I lost track.

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-How young were you?

-I think was 13 when I first went.

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-Into a court?

-Yeah.

-Charged with theft?

-Yes.

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What happened?

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-I went on community service.

-Right.

-I had to do a lot of that.

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One night, Ella was involved in a fight at a party.

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The police were called and she was taken into custody.

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At the age of 13, you had spent a night in a police cell?

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Yeah.

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You had court judgments ordering you to do community service.

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-Your life is spiralling out of control?

-Yeah, definitely.

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It was at this point that Ella's father couldn't cope any more

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and Ella was put into care.

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I got to the care home and it was young children, just like myself, going through what I'm going through.

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I just wanted to go home, but I knew I couldn't.

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Yeah, it was horrible.

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-How did you actually feel, as a person?

-I felt like rubbish.

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I didn't feel like I should be honest. I hated it.

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I really hated it.

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While in care, Ella fell into bad company.

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One day, she was involved in a serious theft.

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She was put on a curfew and made to wear

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an electronic ankle bracelet for six months.

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They said, "If you breach this,

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"we will send you to jail, because you're not listening."

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My heart just sunk. I thought, "I know I can't do time in jail.

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"I won't handle it in there." So, yes, that hit me.

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Even though she had avoided prison, because she had just turned 16,

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Ella now had something she could never escape - a criminal record.

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Around this time, Ella had to leave care.

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Because she could not legally claim benefits until she was 18,

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she was given £50 a week from Social Services and a flat to live in,

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but, sadly, that didn't last long.

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I was just letting anyone stay over.

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There was a lot of fights going on.

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I was, like, "They won't kick a 16-year-old out!" But what happened?

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-They did.

-Where did you end up?

-I went to a really horrible B&B.

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There was needles everywhere.

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There was alcoholics.

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Weren't very nice people.

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'What made matters worse,

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'was that the B&B was in a strange town where she knew no-one.'

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-How long were you at the B&B for?

-Between two and three months.

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How would you describe that period in your life?

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The worst, actually, the worst point in my life, that.

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At this time, Ella had been assigned a social worker,

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but at this point, her case was taken over by Robin Nolan, of the charity Catch 22,

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who are contracted by Kent Council to run their Leaving Care services.

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Initially, when I first met Ella,

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she was distrusting of anyone at that moment in time.

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Robin come upstairs and I said,

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"If you're not going to do nothing, I don't want to know none of you."

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After a brief discussion,

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we actually agreed that she needed to move back to her hometown

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and I made an appointment with Ella to go to the

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local council office and register herself as a homeless young person,

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and used the homeless legislation to get Ella rehoused.

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He got me out in a week and I was really happy.

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Back in Ashford, Robin managed to get Ella her own flat,

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which she moved into with her boyfriend, Paul.

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By this time, she was 18,

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so Robin was also able to help apply for Jobseeker's Allowance.

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Things were definitely looking up for Ella,

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but although she was no longer in physical danger,

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she was in danger of becoming a statistic, another teenager

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leaving the care system with no job prospects and relying on benefits.

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I had nothing, no experience in anything,

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what I wanted to do, had no NVQ, nothing.

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But then, one day, Ella got a letter from the Job Centre.

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A government scheme called The Future Jobs Fund was asking

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her to attend an interview with a local authority funded charity

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called Kent Children's Fund Network or KCFN.

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They organised play activities for children in schools

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and youth clubs, all over the county.

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Didn't know who they were, nothing about them.

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What did that letter say?

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Said I had an interview so I thought I'd go to it.

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The job interview was a golden opportunity for Ella,

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but with so many young people unemployed,

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would her criminal record stand in her way?

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I thought they'd just look at the paperwork

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and go, "Not having her."

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But first, we revisit the devious world of the scrounger.

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And here's a message to those benefits thieves out there. Smile!

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You're on camera.

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They think they're clever. They think they can beat the system.

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Every year, thousands of benefit cheats get put under surveillance.

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Welcome to the undercover world of benefit fraud investigators

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and the cheats they love to catch out.

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People say you cannot beat a round of golf.

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It's a great way to relax, get some exercise, enjoy the great outdoors.

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What could be better than getting out there on a regular basis?

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Like this chap, happy as Larry, as he goes out

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and enjoys his weekly round of golf without a care in the world.

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Who would have thought such an innocent pastime

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could land someone in such big trouble?

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Because the surprising thing about this golfer, is that

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despite the fact that he plays at least once a week up, covering an

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average of four miles per round, he claims to be suffering from such

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severe rheumatoid and osteoarthritis that he can barely walk.

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In fact, 51-year-old Peter Crowder's condition

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was so bad, in 2005 he had to retire from his job as a psychiatric nurse

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and started claiming benefits worth £45 a week.

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A couple of years later, and he's back for more.

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It seems his condition worsened, so he made another claim

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and increased his weekly benefits to over £100.

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In August 2007 he made a claim for the mobility element

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of Disability Living Allowance,

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and at that time was awarded the highest rate of mobility

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allowance and his care component was increased to the highest rate,

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just based on what he said on the claim form at that time.

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Then the National Benefit Fraud Hotline received an anonymous

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tipoff saying that Peter Crowder wasn't as disabled as he claimed

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and had been spotted on a golf course.

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How can I put this? Working on his handicap?

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First and foremost we needed to see for ourselves him playing golf.

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We were able to put Mr Crowder under surveillance

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and we saw him unpacking his clubs and playing a round of golf.

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He was playing several times a week without any ailments whatsoever.

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Over a period of time, Mr Crowder played golf on 151 occasions

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over a three-year period and competed in 49 competitions.

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It sounds like Crowder never missed an opportunity to

0:21:340:21:37

practise his swing, and as a regular fixture at his local golf club,

0:21:370:21:41

he must have been out there in all weathers.

0:21:410:21:44

Now that doesn't sound like a man suffering from serious arthritis.

0:21:440:21:47

Let's go back to those claim forms and take another look.

0:21:470:21:51

The DLA claim form showed he was in constant pain

0:21:510:21:55

and couldn't get dressed without any assistance,

0:21:550:21:58

taking four, five, six minutes to climb stairs

0:21:580:22:02

and was unable to use a bath, having difficulty with his care needs.

0:22:020:22:05

He needed help getting undressed couldn't hold implements,

0:22:050:22:08

he didn't have the grip in his hands.

0:22:080:22:10

So that person that was portrayed on the claim form was not really

0:22:100:22:15

consistent with somebody who's playing golf three or four times

0:22:150:22:18

a week and gripping a golf club.

0:22:180:22:21

But that's his opinion. What does our expert think?

0:22:210:22:24

This is Mr Crowder.

0:22:240:22:26

He's just arrived at the golf club.

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He's lifted quite a heavy weight out of the boot.

0:22:280:22:32

He's pushing his golf trolley.

0:22:320:22:35

He doesn't seem to be walking with any difficulty whatsoever.

0:22:350:22:39

I'm basically looking for signs of pain

0:22:390:22:42

and stiffness which are the symptoms of arthritis.

0:22:420:22:45

He doesn't seem to be limping

0:22:450:22:48

and there seems to be no inhibition of his movements at all.

0:22:480:22:53

Playing golf requires a full range of movements

0:22:530:22:56

and if someone's got arthritis in any of those areas,

0:22:560:23:00

it can affect the way they play.

0:23:000:23:02

The DWP were now satisfied they'd got all the evidence they needed

0:23:020:23:06

and Peter Crowder was called in and interviewed under caution.

0:23:060:23:10

At first, he denied everything, but then they pulled out their proof.

0:23:100:23:14

Mr Crowder was eventually shown the footage

0:23:140:23:18

and he admitted that he should have put on the claim form that he

0:23:180:23:24

was capable of playing golf and he couldn't understand why

0:23:240:23:28

he had omitted to put that down on the claim form.

0:23:280:23:31

In a panic, Crowder then remortgaged his house in order to pay

0:23:310:23:34

back £20,000 worth of illegally obtained benefits.

0:23:340:23:38

But by then, it was too late.

0:23:380:23:41

In August 2011, Peter Crowder was convicted of failing to declare a change in his circumstances

0:23:410:23:47

and making a false statement to obtain more benefits in 2007.

0:23:470:23:52

He was sentenced to six months in jail.

0:23:520:23:55

Another scrounger banged to rights.

0:23:580:24:00

That's one golfer who is decidedly below-par.

0:24:000:24:03

Now it's back to the good guys.

0:24:070:24:09

By any standards, Ella Barnett has had a rough start in life.

0:24:090:24:13

In care at 13, by 16 she was dossing in a B&B with alcoholics and drug addicts.

0:24:130:24:18

Thanks to the prompt actions of her social worker that she was plucked to safety.

0:24:180:24:24

Soon as he said, "Right, we're going", I couldn't believe it.

0:24:240:24:27

My heart melted. I thought no-one was going to help me again.

0:24:270:24:31

-How long did it take you to pack your case?

-Two minutes, I think.

0:24:310:24:35

Back in her hometown of Ashford, things were looking up for Ella.

0:24:350:24:40

She was now in her own flat

0:24:400:24:42

and had been asked by the Job Centre to attend an interview

0:24:420:24:45

at Kent Children's Fund Network or KCFN, for short.

0:24:450:24:49

KCFN is a not-for-profit charity.

0:24:490:24:52

We deliver youth service activity,

0:24:520:24:56

working with young people that are hard to engage, and vulnerable young people.

0:24:560:25:00

A large part of KCFN's work involves organising play sessions

0:25:020:25:06

for these vulnerable kids and Garnet was looking for two assistant play workers

0:25:060:25:10

for a six-month, fully-paid contract.

0:25:100:25:13

It's an opportunity for them to progress,

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to gain the skills, to work alongside experienced play workers,

0:25:160:25:23

gain new skills and then also progress on to qualifications.

0:25:230:25:30

Although she had been identified by the Job Centre as a suitable candidate,

0:25:310:25:35

Ella was totally lacking in self-confidence

0:25:350:25:38

and felt like she didn't have a hope of getting the job.

0:25:380:25:42

I thought, "Oh, I'm not going to look for a job, cos I'm never going to get nothing."

0:25:420:25:46

My criminal record was going to affect me, like,

0:25:460:25:51

working with children.

0:25:510:25:53

I thought they was just going to look at the paperwork

0:25:530:25:55

in black and white and thought, "Not having her".

0:25:550:25:58

But encouraged by her boyfriend,

0:25:580:26:00

Ella did pluck up the courage to go along to the interview.

0:26:000:26:04

When you went along, how many other people were up for the job?

0:26:040:26:07

Um, there was five of us, I think.

0:26:070:26:10

It was a group interview.

0:26:100:26:11

-Right. How did you feel?

-Nervous. Really nervous at that point.

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I thought, I'm not going to get it, there's other people here,

0:26:150:26:19

more talent working with children, more experience...

0:26:190:26:22

Yeah, I was so nervous, Dom!

0:26:230:26:25

I didn't know nothing.

0:26:250:26:27

The interview process could appear quite daunting.

0:26:270:26:31

We want to see how that young person will engage with young people,

0:26:310:26:36

and so we set up a role-play situation

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and it's quite interesting to see some of the results from that.

0:26:400:26:44

I was doing my best that I could, I answered a lot of questions,

0:26:440:26:47

but anyone in an interview panics and thinks they're not going to

0:26:470:26:52

get the job, someone else is going to get it.

0:26:520:26:54

But at the end, I think I done really well.

0:26:540:26:57

Ella really stood out because of her big personality.

0:26:570:27:01

She came across as a young person who could engage other young people

0:27:010:27:06

and we saw potential in Ella.

0:27:060:27:10

A few days later,

0:27:100:27:12

and Ella was back at home, waiting nervously by the phone.

0:27:120:27:16

My heart was racing, I thought they were going to say the position

0:27:160:27:20

has been filled, you're not going to get it.

0:27:200:27:22

A KCFN member, he phoned me and said, "Congratulations,

0:27:220:27:27

"you've got the job" - I must have screamed down that phone!

0:27:270:27:31

Garnet had given Ella the job because she'd done so well at the interview.

0:27:310:27:35

To him, her past was just her past.

0:27:350:27:40

Although Ella had a criminal record, she had disclosed that to us,

0:27:400:27:44

and we felt that as an organisation,

0:27:440:27:48

we give every young person a chance and we didn't see that as a risk.

0:27:480:27:54

Want me to join in with you?

0:28:000:28:02

Garnet also knew that this job represented Ella's first real chance to turn her life around.

0:28:020:28:09

The good thing about the play-worker placement was that it was a paid position.

0:28:090:28:14

They got to work with skilled play-workers that had been doing it for many years

0:28:140:28:20

and they were able to gain confidence and become employable.

0:28:200:28:25

-And what's your name?

-Amber.

-Amber. I'm Ella.

-Hi, Ella.

0:28:280:28:32

The other lucky applicant was 20-year-old Sarah Lonsborough.

0:28:320:28:37

Like Ella, Sarah had been unemployed for a while.

0:28:370:28:41

Literally, it was just rejection letter after rejection letter.

0:28:410:28:44

It was really off-putting.

0:28:440:28:47

I was looking on the internet.

0:28:470:28:48

I was going into cafes and hotels handing in my CV and they were just like, "Yeah, we'll call you."

0:28:480:28:54

They never did.

0:28:540:28:55

The two girls met at the interview day and immediately got on.

0:28:550:28:59

Do you want to give it a go?

0:29:000:29:03

Instantly I clicked with her. She was amazing.

0:29:030:29:06

She just had such great ideas for play. It was just brilliant.

0:29:060:29:11

Hey!

0:29:110:29:14

So, within a year, Ella went from the pit of despair to being fully employed,

0:29:140:29:18

working at schools and youth centres all over Kent,

0:29:180:29:21

organising and participating in children's play sessions.

0:29:210:29:25

Tell me about the job. Are you just going in and helping out with kids?

0:29:250:29:29

Parents as well. We're helping with families. We go to a session, if they want to talk to us they can.

0:29:290:29:37

So is this disadvantaged families?

0:29:370:29:39

-Some.

-Some people got their own problems or children who've got problems?

-Yeah.

0:29:390:29:44

I can see why you'd be the ideal person for that

0:29:440:29:47

-because you've had that troubled background, haven't you?

-Yeah.

0:29:470:29:50

So I know what it's like. Definitely.

0:29:500:29:53

-Do you want me to help you?

-Yeah.

-Yeah? All right.

0:29:530:29:56

-Cos I'm only four.

-You're only four? That's still a big girl.

0:29:560:30:01

Ella grew tremendously, cos when she first came in,

0:30:010:30:06

she was very bright and you always knew when Ella was around.

0:30:060:30:10

But she wasn't as confident as she appeared to be.

0:30:100:30:15

She grew in confidence and was able flourish, really.

0:30:150:30:22

OK. And push your legs. Keep pushing.

0:30:220:30:26

Ella was gaining confidence by the bucketload,

0:30:260:30:29

and part of that was down to the fact that for the first time in her life,

0:30:290:30:33

she was off benefits and earning her own money.

0:30:330:30:36

That's it. Yay! Well done!

0:30:360:30:38

You are now getting a wage packet instead of Jobseeker's Allowance.

0:30:380:30:43

How did it feel when that first packet arrived?

0:30:430:30:46

It was lovely. Loved it.

0:30:460:30:48

-What did you do with it?

-I went shopping. I filled up my cupboards.

0:30:480:30:53

-Food?

-Food. The fridge was always full.

-Yep.

0:30:530:30:56

-What about some of the other things you bought?

-I bought new sofas.

0:30:560:31:00

Because I could afford a new one,

0:31:000:31:02

I gave my old one to the youth centre.

0:31:020:31:05

All right, let's go.

0:31:050:31:07

Ella was clearly in her element at KCFN.

0:31:070:31:09

Aw, you're winning!

0:31:090:31:11

But sadly, the job was only ever going to last for six months.

0:31:120:31:15

Luckily for her, that didn't mean going back to square one, because Garnet stuck by her.

0:31:150:31:23

Ella was of course upset that the work placement ended,

0:31:230:31:27

but we had an opportunity to sit down and talk about the future,

0:31:270:31:33

and one of the options we took up was that Ella do the Children And Young Person's qualification,

0:31:330:31:40

which is the equivalent to an NVQ Level 2.

0:31:400:31:44

That will give Ella the opportunity to progress onto social care qualifications,

0:31:440:31:49

which she wants to do in future.

0:31:490:31:52

I was looking forward to catching up with Ella to find out how she'd been coping

0:31:540:31:58

since her six-month contract had ended.

0:31:580:32:01

-You loved that job, didn't you?

-Yes. I knew where I stood.

0:32:050:32:08

You were off benefits as well.

0:32:080:32:10

Yeah. Getting payslips, earning my own money.

0:32:100:32:13

Paying tax.

0:32:130:32:15

Shopping. Don't forget the shopping cos I know how much you love that.

0:32:150:32:20

So now you're on a training course at NVQ Level 2.

0:32:200:32:23

At the end of it you'll be a qualified child carer?

0:32:230:32:27

No. Children and young people work force.

0:32:270:32:30

-From there where do you go?

-My social worker, Robin,

0:32:300:32:34

is trying to get me on the course to be a social worker.

0:32:340:32:37

OK. That's a much longer course, isn't it?

0:32:370:32:39

-Yeah. Three years, it's going to take.

-OK. You fancy that?

-Yeah.

0:32:390:32:42

If I train to be a social worker and I go and see a young child

0:32:420:32:46

and they're like, "You don't know what I'm going through",

0:32:460:32:49

I'll say, "I do. I've been there. I know what you're going through."

0:32:490:32:52

-You've got the T-shirt, haven't you?

-Yeah.

-You done it.

0:32:520:32:55

But you've come out of it now, that's the thing.

0:32:550:32:58

You've had another little down in the fact this job ran out after six months

0:32:580:33:02

-but you're back on the ladder again.

-Yeah.

0:33:020:33:04

-Tell me where you're going to be in five years' time.

-A social worker.

0:33:040:33:08

-Full-time, qualified, employed.

-Yeah, social worker.

-Yeah?

0:33:080:33:12

I'm going to come back and check on you in five years' time!

0:33:120:33:15

I'll make sure you will!

0:33:150:33:17

-Don't eat it!

-Why?

-Cos it's Play-Doh! You don't eat Play-Doh.

0:33:220:33:27

For the time being, Ella is back on Jobseeker's Allowance while she completes her NVQ,

0:33:270:33:33

but having got a taste of financial independence, hopefully it won't be long till she's fully employed

0:33:330:33:39

in a job that she loves and where she can make a difference.

0:33:390:33:41

Here you go, darling.

0:33:410:33:43

I am looking forward to the future. My goal is to be a social worker and I'm going to reach that goal.

0:33:430:33:49

I know it's going to take a few years,

0:33:490:33:51

and you've got to keep your head up high and it's going to be hard,

0:33:510:33:55

but you've got to stick by it.

0:33:550:33:56

If you want that in life, you've got to go for it.

0:33:560:33:58

What do you want to do, then? Football, all right. Shall we go and find a football?

0:33:580:34:02

While she's studying, Ella can do the odd play session for KCFN,

0:34:020:34:07

which means she can keep her hand in and stay in close touch with Garnet.

0:34:070:34:11

I think Ella can achieve anything she wants to. She's very driven.

0:34:120:34:18

She's got an idea of what she wants to do.

0:34:180:34:21

It's rewarding to see a young person like Ella progress and achieve.

0:34:210:34:27

It's inspiring, and as an organisation that's what we're all about.

0:34:270:34:31

Hey!

0:34:310:34:33

As a child, Ella got dealt a pretty rough hand. As a result of that,

0:34:350:34:39

she turned to crime and felt like there was no hope.

0:34:390:34:42

But it's thanks to saints like Garnet,

0:34:420:34:44

because people like him help turn lives around,

0:34:440:34:47

give people a second chance in life, and now Ella is on her way

0:34:470:34:51

to becoming one of those saints herself.

0:34:510:34:54

Back now to the world of a scrounger,

0:34:580:35:01

and the fraud investigators of NHS Protect

0:35:010:35:03

are grappling with one of the most audacious and cynical attempts

0:35:030:35:07

to defraud the NHS they had ever come across.

0:35:070:35:11

Rochdale dentist John Hudson

0:35:110:35:13

had been working under a private contract

0:35:130:35:15

at Her Majesty's Prison Altcourse near Liverpool.

0:35:150:35:18

However, Pauline Smith, anti-fraud specialist for NHS Protect in the North West,

0:35:180:35:23

had discovered that he had also managed to dupe his local Primary Care Trust

0:35:230:35:28

into giving him another contract for the same work.

0:35:280:35:32

Critically, he omitted to tick box F,

0:35:320:35:38

which would have immediately indicated to Liverpool Primary Care Trust

0:35:380:35:42

that the work he was completing at the prison was actually being paid for by the private medical provider.

0:35:420:35:50

It was time to call Hudson in for an interview to see if he could share the wisdom of this potential mix-up.

0:35:500:35:56

But getting answers out of this dentist was like pulling teeth.

0:35:560:36:00

Open wide. This may hurt a bit.

0:36:000:36:02

On the 27th of March 2009, John Hudson was asked

0:36:040:36:08

to attend the first of several interviews under caution.

0:36:080:36:11

In total Mr Hudson was interviewed on four separate occasions.

0:36:140:36:18

On each and every occasion, Mr Hudson maintained "no comment"

0:36:180:36:22

to every question put to him during the interviews.

0:36:220:36:26

The team now desperately needed to build a case that was going to stand up in court.

0:36:260:36:31

If Hudson wasn't going to co-operate,

0:36:310:36:33

then they need to look elsewhere for further proof of his wrongdoing.

0:36:330:36:37

Luckily, the evidence was there in black and white

0:36:370:36:40

in the form of the meticulous dental patient records kept by the prison,

0:36:400:36:43

which showed which prisoner had been seen where and what treatment they had received.

0:36:430:36:49

Anti-fraud specialist Liz Wood takes up the story.

0:36:490:36:52

Basically, we cross-checked all of the work

0:36:520:36:55

that he claimed to have done for NHS patients at the prison,

0:36:550:36:59

and we cross-checked that against the diaries in the prison.

0:36:590:37:04

We checked the patient record cards

0:37:040:37:07

to make sure he wasn't actually doing anything extra that could justify the claim to the NHS.

0:37:070:37:15

The team were worried that Hudson might claim that he needed the NHS contract

0:37:150:37:19

because he was seeing so many patients at the prison

0:37:190:37:22

that the money he was getting from the private medical company just didn't cover it.

0:37:220:37:26

Crucially, there was no other evidence of any appointments over and above those already paid for

0:37:260:37:32

under the terms of the private medical contract

0:37:320:37:36

that would require or justify payments to be made by the NHS.

0:37:360:37:41

But Pauline didn't stop there.

0:37:430:37:45

When they're investigating a fraud, NHS Protect are given special powers

0:37:450:37:48

to access the personal financial details of the suspected fraudster.

0:37:480:37:53

Pauline was able to comb through loads of paperwork relating to John Hudson,

0:37:530:37:58

including bank statements, credit card statements, as well as pay slips

0:37:580:38:02

from both the NHS and the private medical supplier.

0:38:020:38:06

This is a letter from Mr Hudson to the private medical provider,

0:38:060:38:14

where he's claiming for services that he has provided to the Trust

0:38:140:38:18

under his private contract.

0:38:180:38:21

Here we have an NHS payment advice that clearly shows credits

0:38:240:38:29

being made to Mr Hudson for the identical work that he's

0:38:290:38:33

already been paid for or claimed for from the private medical provider.

0:38:330:38:38

Together, these documents identify that, clearly,

0:38:390:38:43

Mr Hudson was being paid twice for one service he has provided

0:38:430:38:48

to the prison.

0:38:480:38:49

Bingo!

0:38:510:38:53

Pauline finally had the proof she needed,

0:38:530:38:55

that Hudson was lining his pockets at the expense of the old

0:38:550:38:58

and sick of Liverpool and the tax payer.

0:38:580:39:01

But it didn't stop there.

0:39:010:39:03

The evidence of his deceptions kept on piling up.

0:39:030:39:07

We even checked his credit card statements

0:39:070:39:12

and discovered that when he was on actually on holiday

0:39:120:39:14

in the Caribbean,

0:39:140:39:16

he said he was treating patients at the same time, at the prison.

0:39:160:39:20

He had the nerve to do that? While he's sunning himself,

0:39:200:39:23

he's putting claims in for treatment he wasn't doing?

0:39:230:39:26

That's true. Yes.

0:39:260:39:27

Sounds like there's a lovely paper trail of evidence.

0:39:270:39:30

There was a really good paper trail of evidence.

0:39:300:39:33

Not only was this dodgy dentist being paid twice

0:39:350:39:38

for the same job, but he was also invoicing for work

0:39:380:39:41

that was carried out while he and his family were swanning off abroad!

0:39:410:39:45

Cheek of it!

0:39:450:39:48

After months of investigation,

0:39:480:39:51

Pauline was satisfied that she had a water-tight case.

0:39:510:39:54

She had evidence that between May 2006 and July 2008,

0:39:540:39:59

Mr Hudson earned £280,000 from his private contract at HMP Altcourse.

0:39:590:40:06

For the same period,

0:40:060:40:07

he also received almost £307,000 from the NHS for the same services.

0:40:070:40:13

We were satsfied that none of the money Mr Hudson received

0:40:130:40:17

from the NHS was appropriate, because he'd already been paid

0:40:170:40:22

for the services he had provided to the prison

0:40:220:40:25

by the private medical provider.

0:40:250:40:27

It was time for John Hudson to face the music.

0:40:270:40:31

On the 4th October 2010, he was taken to court

0:40:320:40:36

and charged with 32 counts of dishonestly retaining wrongful credits

0:40:360:40:41

and two counts of fraud by false representation.

0:40:410:40:45

He had refused to cooperate with the investigation,

0:40:450:40:47

but on the day, Hudson realised that the writing was on the wall,

0:40:470:40:51

and pleaded guilty to 27 of the charges.

0:40:510:40:54

He returned to court on the 9th of November to hear his fate.

0:40:550:41:00

The judge ruled that John Hudson's fraud deserved a lengthy custodial sentence,

0:41:000:41:05

and he was sent to prison for 27 months.

0:41:050:41:09

In total, John Hudson had swindled the NHS out of £306,961.

0:41:090:41:16

For Pauline, it was a satisfactory conclusion

0:41:160:41:20

to a challenging investigation.

0:41:200:41:22

NHS Protect, overall, are very pleased with the outcome

0:41:220:41:27

in this case.

0:41:270:41:29

The NHS launched civil proceedings against Hudson

0:41:350:41:39

and got back every single penny.

0:41:390:41:41

The money was returned to Liverpool Primary Care Trust

0:41:410:41:44

to be used for its intended purpose -

0:41:440:41:46

'the care of the sick and elderly in Liverpool.

0:41:460:41:49

'And what does the future hold for Hudson?'

0:41:490:41:52

He's basically finished. He has to go before the GDC.

0:41:520:41:55

-The General Dentist Council?

-The General Dental Council.

0:41:550:41:58

-Hasn't his greed been his absolute downfall? Hasn't it?

-Undoubedly.

0:41:580:42:03

This is a man who could have earned a perfectly legitimate living,

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earning far more than most people, and he needed more.

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-Ten times more!

-Well, yes, he needed a lot more, didn't he?

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In the end, the General Dental Council did vote to suspend

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John Hudson from their dental practitioner's list.

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This dentist's days of extracting money from the public purse

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are well and truly over.

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NHS investigators fought tooth and nail to bring him to justice,

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and now he's gone from treating the inmates to being one himself.

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That's what I call karma!

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