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One of the things that makes this country great

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is that when we find someone in genuine need we help them out.

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A much-needed handout when times are tough.

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It's a terrible experience, it's like hitting a brick wall.

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But whenever there's cash on offer,

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you'll always find someone who wants to steal it.

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She would not have been entitled to

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any benefits or any public service financial help at all.

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Those who cheat the system often get what's coming to them.

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She went to prison there and then

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and when she was sentenced, the judge was very critical of her actions.

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This is the world of Saints And Scroungers.

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Saints And Scroungers highlights the worthy and the greedy people

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who are using and abusing our welfare state system.

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On one hand, there are people with legitimate needs

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and, on the other, fraudsters, bent on ripping off the taxpayer.

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It's a war that's fought every day across the UK.

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Fraud investigators bringing the cheats to justice

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and saints fighting to make sure

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people facing a struggle get what they deserve.

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Coming up on today's show...

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A mysterious jobseeker

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who's been illegally claiming benefits for over a decade.

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When she stood up in the dock,

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this was the first time that she identified herself.

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And we meet an entrepreneur

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who finds help to get back to work after a series of personal setbacks.

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If the scheme didn't exist, they would rely on

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the benefit and welfare system to support themselves.

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There are plenty of people here in the chilly UK

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who would love to live somewhere nice and warm overseas,

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the Caribbean or Spain,

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somewhere with sun, sea and sand.

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But then there are many people overseas

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who'd quite like to live here,

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because we've got jobs, a health system, education...

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Oh, yeah!

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And benefits!

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Meet one woman who, when she arrived in the UK,

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did more than most to get the very best out of our welfare system.

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This person goes by the name of Collette Williams.

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She was apparently struggling

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to find work and had to rely on the state for help.

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According to her records, she was born and bred in southeast London,

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but when she moved to the southwest of the city,

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what appeared to be a straightforward benefit claim

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turned out to be anything but.

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I've come to Croydon Council to find out a bit more about her claim.

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Fraud investigator Graham Clark was part of the team

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that dealt with her case.

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Who was Collette Williams?

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Tell me a little bit about her, her background, where she came from.

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Well, Collette Williams is somebody,

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as far as we know, that was born in the UK,

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in the Lewisham area of London

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and has lived in London all her life.

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And she came to find herself in Croydon?

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She did, yes. She first came to our notice

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when she moved from the Lambeth area,

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rented a house in the Thornton Heath district of the borough,

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and put in a claim for housing benefit for that address.

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She'd also been in receipt of Jobseeker's Allowance,

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housing and council tax benefit from, as far back as we can make out, 2002.

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And that claim was made on the basis

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of her being a single person and unemployed.

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So for you to be sure that Collette

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was receiving these benefits legitimately,

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what would you need from her?

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Well, first of all, we would need some form of identity,

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and it would be the usual type,

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sort of either birth certificate or a passport.

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Collette sent us in her birth certificate,

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which we had no reason to suspect was dodgy in any way.

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We also had a tenancy agreement from her landlord with a request

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for the housing benefit to be paid into the landlord's account.

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The fraud team at Croydon Council

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didn't think there was anything wrong

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with Collette's housing benefit claim.

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But after their colleagues in the Department for Work and Pensions

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advised them about their investigation into her claim

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for Jobseeker's Allowance, that soon changed.

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Mark Simpson was the lead investigator in the case.

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We work a lot with other Government departments

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and local authorities to uncover the full extent of frauds.

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We would normally find if a person is committing a benefit fraud,

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they often have committed frauds

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against other Government departments or the local authorities.

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And the fraud that Mark was investigating

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would have a direct impact on the benefits that Croydon

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had been giving Collette.

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We received an anonymous call on the National Benefit Fraud Hotline

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which suggested

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that Collette Williams was in fact not Collette Williams,

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that the real Collette Williams had been resident

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in the United States of America since at least 1992.

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Hold on a minute!

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If Collette Williams had been living abroad since '92,

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who'd been claiming her benefits for the last ten years?

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The investigating team was looking at a case that potentially

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included frauds against both the Department for Work and Pensions

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and Croydon Council.

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So it was going to take some fairly joined-up investigating

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to work out what had really been going on.

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When we receive an allegation, obviously,

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we do some basic checks internally.

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If that throws up any questions that need to be answered

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then we obviously would make further inquiries

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with other Government departments.

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What we wanted to establish was

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what was the identity of Collette Williams.

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We had only been presented with a birth certificate

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and medical certificate

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during the period of her benefit claim,

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so our first lines of thoughts were, does she have a UK passport?

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Mark carried out checks to establish

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if a Collette Williams with the same date of birth

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as the Collette Williams claiming benefit in South London

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had in fact left the country.

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We made inquiries with the Identity and Passport Service

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into Collette Williams

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to find out whether any passports had been issued to her in the UK.

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The Identity and Passport Service said that

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there'd been no UK-issued passports,

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but when we made inquiries with them again

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with regards to passports that had been issued overseas,

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a passport had been issued in the name Collette Williams in Washington

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in the United States of America,

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using a birth certificate which was identical to the birth certificate

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that had been supplied to the department

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for Collette Williams to claim benefit.

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Collette Williams was in America.

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How could her birth certificate be used to claim benefits over here?

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It's starting to sound a bit dodgy.

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The intelligence that had been established

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by the Identity and Passport Service

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obviously threw up a problem about who the real Collette Williams was.

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The Foreign and Commonwealth Office

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and the consulate people in the United States of America

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were able to tell us...

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were able to provide us with a copy of the documents actually issued

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to Collette Williams, a copy of her passport application

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and a copy of the photo that was used for the passport.

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With contact details and a picture of the Collette Williams in America,

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investigators decided to call her to find out what she knew

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about her birth certificate being used to make the benefit claims.

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She told us that she had moved from the UK at a very early age

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and had lived in America for a number of years.

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She couldn't get hold of any details of her birth

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or a copy of her birth certificate,

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so therefore she had to contact the consulate

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in the United States of America

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to obtain a copy of her birth certificate.

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Her original birth certificate had gone missing.

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Well, that explains how it could have fallen into the wrong hands.

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The fraud team now believed

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the Collette Williams in America was the genuine person

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who the Department for Work and Pensions

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and officials in Croydon Council

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thought they were giving benefits to.

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So if the real Collette Williams was thousands of miles away,

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who exactly had been claiming benefits every two weeks

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in Thornton Heath?

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It was time to investigate the impostor

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who may have been ripping off the taxpayer for nearly a decade.

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We didn't have any photographic evidence

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of the Collette Williams who lived in the UK,

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so we decided to set up some covert surveillance

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in the Job Centre when she signed on,

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just purely her signing on at the Job Centre,

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and she had a short discussion with the benefit advisor

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and then left the office.

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During the surveillance, investigators noticed

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that the suspect spoke with a heavy Jamaican accent,

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which was suspicious

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because the details they had about Collette Williams on file

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showed that she was a Londoner.

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So this woman didn't look like Collette Williams or sound like her.

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Mark and his team had seen enough to step up the investigation.

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When we got the photographs from the surveillance,

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it was felt that we had enough evidence

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to have the UK Collette Williams arrested

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and interviewed to establish who she actually was.

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And it was an arrest that had to be carefully planned.

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It was decided to arrest Collette Williams in this country

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when she next signed on at the Job Centre

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as part of her Jobseeker's Agreement.

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We were unable to arrest her at the Job Centre,

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but she was seen walking along the street towards her home address

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following her visit to the Job Centre,

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and she was arrested then by the police.

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When she was approached by the police,

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she identified herself as Collette Williams.

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Well, if she'd been pretending to be someone for the past ten years,

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it could be quite hard to break a habit.

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But who was this person?

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Now she was under arrest, the investigators planned to find out.

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During the course of the interview,

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she answered, "No comment," to any of the questions.

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Following on from the arrest, we did not know who this woman was.

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For now, though, it's farewell to the shakers and fakers

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and hello to the people we call our saints,

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those in society that assist others who are in real need

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but who are too proud or often don't know how to claim

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what they're entitled to.

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When life takes an unexpected turn,

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it doesn't just destroy the plans that you have for the future,

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but very often all the hard work that you've put in in the past.

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That's why, when tragedy strikes,

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you can need some help to get back on track.

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Richard Offor and his partner Helen

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had been living together for over 20 years

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and carefully planned their future

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to make sure they'd got exactly what they wanted

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as they approached middle age.

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I realised many years ago when I was a teenager

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that people spend their lives chasing money,

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but they don't have a quality of life.

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I decided to have the lifestyle and the quality of life,

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so I effectively semi-retired at 30.

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The couple took a big step towards fulfilling their ambitions

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when they moved to Wales

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and started up a horticultural business.

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The change gave them a better quality of life

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and allowed Richard more time to indulge in his passion.

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Paragliding is something that takes up quite a bit of time.

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You can be up all day if the weather conditions allow.

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You have total freedom, it's like being a bird.

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Richard is a very experienced paraglider,

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but when he went flying in the French Alps in June 2009,

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he had an accident that would change his life for ever.

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Decided I was going to go down, land in the valley.

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Suddenly I went and looked for some lift, and I got a lot of lift,

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went back up 3,500, 4,000 feet,

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went to land and suddenly I lost about 500 feet very quickly.

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I actually got ground rush before I hit the ground.

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Richard had hit the ground at 40mph

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and sustained life-threatening injuries on impact.

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All the time, I wasn't really aware what was going on

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because I suffered a lot of trauma.

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I knew I was in trouble because I couldn't move my legs properly.

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I got a phone call, it must have been about 1.45 in the afternoon,

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saying he's had a bad accident.

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I didn't know exactly what state he was in.

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I knew he was alive, but I didn't know the state of his injury.

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I was taken to hospital in Annecy for basic assessment, they X-rayed me.

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They looked at the X-rays,

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which showed my spinal cord had an S shape in it

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and my vertebra L1 was shattered.

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Richard's future now lay in the hands of surgeons,

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but it was going to take a minor miracle to repair the damage.

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They operated on me,

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but I still the following day couldn't move my legs, really.

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Richard's accident left him paralysed from the waist down.

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As he lay recovering in hospital, it was Helen

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that had to help him cope with the worst possible prognosis.

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When he returned to the UK and was admitted to Oswestry,

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he was told that he probably wouldn't walk again...

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and he'd be in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

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As Richard struggled to come to terms with the thought

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of spending the rest of his life without being able to walk again,

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he also had to endure a very painful recovery.

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I'd had rods put in my back to fix it, stabilise it,

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and that's over five vertebrae.

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I had to be turned every four hours to avoid getting bedsores.

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I couldn't get up, I couldn't really clean myself,

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I couldn't even sit up, I was lying down all the time.

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I had to eat lying down, horizontal.

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I had to have six weeks of that, bed rest.

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While Richard was in hospital,

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Helen was left to take care of their horticultural business on her own,

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and, despite her best efforts, it went downhill fast.

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We kept roughly around 25,000, 30,000 plants in pots

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and containers on site, and typically it took

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between four and six hours a day to water all that lot,

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because we have to hand-water.

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It was decided to sacrifice the stock,

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we didn't have the resources or the money

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to pay people to come in and water.

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We estimate that we lost £30,000,

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but at retail it was more like a quarter of a million.

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We thought... what are we going to do?

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The couple had painstakingly built up their business from scratch

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and now it was looking like all that hard work was for nothing.

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When Richard did finally leave hospital,

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the future was looking bleak in more ways than one.

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I was discharged with the prospect

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of probably no further recovery at the time.

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Faced with the challenge of living with a disability,

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Richard had to adapt to what his body could and couldn't do.

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Within a few weeks, I was sent to meet my local physiotherapist.

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She gave me an exercise regime which I did 25 hours a week,

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and I got better, I improved.

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And in the new year, he made some startling progress.

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I started being able to take a few steps, still holding on to things...

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And he said, "Oh, come and have a look at this,"

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and he was staggering around, holding on to the work surfaces.

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And that's how it's progressed ever since.

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Richard was making exceptional progress,

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but financially, the couple were in a dire situation.

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The business was making huge losses,

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and they had to get used to the idea of living on benefits.

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When I came out of hospital,

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I automatically got Disability Living Allowance.

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Disability Living Allowance is there

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to help you meet extra costs when you come out,

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when you're looking after yourself,

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so I qualified for the higher rate of mobility,

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and because I could dress myself and wash myself effectively,

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I just got the lower rate of care.

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And it's not a lot, but it's just helpful.

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Richard also received Employment Support Allowance

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in addition to Disability Living Allowance,

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but he was determined not to live on benefits.

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What he wanted was help to get back to work,

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so he could get his business back on track.

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I was determined to go back to work, cos I'm a worker. I can't sit around.

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And it looked like a Government scheme

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that assists people with disabilities

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to get back into the workplace might be able to offer him support.

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Andrew Legg manages a team of advisors

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who assess applications from disabled people for help.

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Access To Work support

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can range from simple solutions,

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such as a piece of specialist equipment

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or software that would enable a customer to carry on working,

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to ongoing support such as help with travel costs to work

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if a customer would have difficulty getting to and from work.

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The scheme teamed Richard up with an advisor

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to assess the kind of help that he would need

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to get back into work.

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They looked around the nursery, they saw we'd concreted it all,

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but it was too rough for a wheelchair.

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The first thing we looked at

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is how Richard would be able to get round his land.

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In order to do that, he'd need to have the surface re-laid.

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We provided Richard with a discretionary grant

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that enabled him to go ahead and get that work done.

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It cost £37,500 to resurface the roads across the nursery,

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and this was a massive help for Richard,

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but in order for him to achieve his goal

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and get back to full-time employment,

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he was going to need more assistance from the Government scheme.

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When Richard's advisor realised

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that he was committed to returning to full-time work,

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he recommended a grant

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that would help him buy a very special bit of kit.

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Before he had his accident,

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he was able to manually lift and carry the things into the tunnels,

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so what we looked at doing

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was providing him with a miniature forklift truck

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that could fit into the tunnels

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and allow him to still take things in and out of the tunnels.

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The small forklift that cost £7,000

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made a huge difference to what Richard could do around the nursery.

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If I want a bag of compost, I just go and get the pallet.

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The help that Richard got from Access To Work

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enabled him to turn around his business

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and get it to start running productively again.

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We were able to actually do the following plant season.

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Helen had to do nearly all the work.

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I could sit there at a table and put the soil in pots

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and pot the plants up.

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We did all right.

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He wasn't able to use all of his land because of his disability,

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but after speaking to his Access To Work advisor,

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they came up with a plan.

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There's an area of Richard's land

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where he grows other items that's rough terrain,

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that couldn't be re-laid.

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So we looked at providing a grant

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for him to be able to purchase an all-terrain utility vehicle

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to allow him to get to those areas of his land as well.

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It's like a quad bike, but with a cab on it and a bit bigger.

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The purchase of the all-terrain vehicle,

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which cost just over £11,000,

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was the final piece of the jigsaw

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that allowed Richard to get back to work full-time.

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Without Access To Work,

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it would have been, if not impossible, very difficult

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for me to have gone back to work.

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Richard still faces a struggle to get his business back on track,

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but it is reassuring to know that

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if you're landed with a disability that affects your work,

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you can get help to make sure that you can earn an honest crust.

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Great stuff! Now it's scrounger time again!

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The fraud team at the Department for Work and Pensions has discovered

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that someone's been using UK citizen Collette Williams' name

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to claim benefits while she is living

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over 3,500 miles away in America.

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It's an investigation where the Government fraud team

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has to join forces with their local authority partners in Croydon

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in order to crack the case.

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It was only when we got that phone call from DWP

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that we gave them the information that they required.

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Once we realised there was an issue

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with the housing and council tax benefit claim,

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I put a stop to those payments going out.

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Mark and his team

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had successfully arrested the person posing as Collette Williams,

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but they still didn't know her real identity.

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And when they took the suspect

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back to her address to search her property,

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they were faced with another problem.

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When the police arrived at the property,

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there was another female at the property at the time

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who said at the time that she was the niece of Collette Williams,

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but when the two ladies were asked

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for identity documents with photographs,

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they could not provide any documents whatsoever.

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Hang on! So now Collette Williams has got a niece.

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Where did she come from?

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The investigators now had two mysterious women on their hands,

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with no ID to prove who they were.

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They needed some clues to identify the pair

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and they found them in the most unlikely of places.

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During the course of the search,

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some greeting cards and birthday cards, etc, were found

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in the name of Annie or Annette.

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We also found a birth certificate

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of a child with the surname Harrison hidden underneath the bed.

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So not Collette Williams's missing birth certificate,

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but one with the surname Harrison. It wasn't much,

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but the two new names that had popped up in the search

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were enough to give Mark and his team something to follow up.

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In this type of investigation against Collette Williams,

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it's often like a jigsaw puzzle

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that you need several pieces to fit together

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to complete the full picture.

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Following the arrest of the person reporting to be Collette Williams,

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she was taken back to a police station

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and interviewed by officers of the Department for Work and Pensions.

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During the course of the interview,

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she answered, "No comment," to any of the questions,

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to all of the questions, she said, "No comment."

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Therefore we were unable to establish anything from that interview.

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OK. The investigators may not have been successful

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in getting an admission of guilt during the interview,

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but the background checks into the two names that had surfaced

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did get a result.

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We decided to make some inquiries

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with the UK Border Agency as regards to an Annette Harrison.

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UKBA told us that they had an application

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from an Annette Harrison in 2002

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for settlement in the UK.

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And, in fact, she was a Jamaican citizen.

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UKBA supplied us with a photograph of the Annette Harrison

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and this matched the identity of the lady that we had arrested

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and subsequently interviewed.

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Annette Harrison was an illegal immigrant,

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and the investigators also discovered

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that the other young woman

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who said she was Collette Williams' niece

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was in fact Annette's daughter.

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How had they managed to get away with living a lie for so long?

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So who was Annette Harrison?

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Well, Annette Harrison, it turns out,

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was somebody who had come over with her daughter from Jamaica

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some time ago, just on a visitor's visa...

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which would normally only have been for six months,

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but had stayed in the country and had gone under the radar

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of the benefits authorities, the UK Border Agency...

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and then obviously she had then decided

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to assume the identity of Collette.

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Annette had no claims, had no entitlement to benefit whatsoever -

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because she was a Jamaican national

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and only over here on a visitor's visa,

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she would not have been entitled to any benefits

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or any public service financial help at all.

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Mark's fraud team at the Department for Work and Pensions

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took the lead in putting the case together against Harrison,

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and at the trial, they were pleased when she came clean.

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At court, she had been charged with five counts of false representation.

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When she stood up in the dock

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and she was asked for her identity by the clerk,

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this was the first time

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that she identified herself as Annette Harrison.

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She pleaded guilty to all five charges.

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Annette Harrison was sentenced to 16 months' imprisonment.

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And at the end of her sentence, the UK Border Agency

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will look to have her deported back to Jamaica.

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It was a good result for the fraud teams,

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but the scam had cost the taxpayers serious money.

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During the ten years of her benefit claim,

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Annette Harrison had fraudulently claimed over £47,000 of benefits.

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The real Collette Williams, who still lives in the US,

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had no idea that someone had stolen her identity

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to claim benefits,

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but thanks to the teamwork in the investigation,

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Annette Harrison has been stopped from ripping off

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the British taxpayer any further in her name.

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Wherever possible we will always look to work with other agencies,

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in particular the DWP,

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because you can then share the intelligence

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that each organisation has got

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to get to an end result a lot quicker.

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Annette thought she could cheat our benefits system

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and get away with it.

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The net result is that after she's served her sentence,

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she'll be deported.

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Unfortunately, none of this really does anything

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to mend the reputation of the real Collette Williams,

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who is completely innocent.

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