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Every year, billions of pounds of our taxes are spent on those in genuine need of financial help. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
-'This money provides a lifeline for people who deserve our support.' -Everything's crumbling around me. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
But unfortunately, about a billion goes on lining the pockets | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
of those who aren't entitled to it. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
This is just pure greed and nothing else. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
'But if you're trying to cheat the system, you're being watched.' | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
We knew where to look straightaway. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
'Saints And Scroungers shines a light on the good and the not so good | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
'in Britain's welfare system. On one side, you have those who need a hand up, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:03 | |
'and on the other, those who just want a hand-out. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
'It's a battle that's being fought every day, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
'investigators fighting to bring fraudsters to justice | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
'and saints fighting to make sure people in need get what they're entitled to.' | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Coming up on today's show - a housing benefit cheat | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
tries to rip off taxpayers with over a decade of deceit. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that Jackie Crane's partner | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
was living with her at the claim address. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
And a family man gets a hand to turn his life around | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
after suddenly losing his sight. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
My life now... | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
..million times better. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
The great thing about the welfare system | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
is that there's a pot of money there for you | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
if things go wrong unexpectedly, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
like a relationship breaking down, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
finding yourself as a single mum with no income | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
to support you and your family. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
That's the situation one mother from Croydon found herself in. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Jackie Crane was raising her daughter alone, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
and struggled to pay the bills, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
so she turned to the local council for help | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
in the form of housing and council tax benefit. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
She filled out the forms, as anyone claiming benefits has to do, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
and asked for help paying the rent on her flat. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
Why shouldn't she? Thousands of people just like her | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
do exactly the same. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Her claim was successful, and over the next ten years, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
she received living costs and allowances | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
stretching into the tens of thousands. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
But in 2009, out of the blue, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
the Department of Work and Pensions received an anonymous phone call | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
suggesting things might not be quite as they seem. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
The precise details, along with a mountain of paperwork, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
landed on the desk of anti-fraud officer Gail Campbell. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
It all took place in Croydon, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
so that's where I've come to find out what was going on. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
So a lot of your leads, | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
your ideas about who you should be investigating, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
come from tip-offs from the public. How does that work? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
Well, anybody can phone a fraud hotline | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
and they can report whatever they see or whatever they think they see. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Presumably, you can't just look at that as fact. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
What's going through your mind when you look at one of the these tip-offs? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Well, of course, it's not fact until it's been proven in any way, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
so we would look at the allegation and break it down. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
Tell me what you saw when you first saw this tip-off about Jackie. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
What we received on this lady was that she lives with her partner. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
A description was given of the lady and her partner. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
So just to be clear, the tip-off claimed that | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Jackie wasn't a single mum and that she was living with a man. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
While living with someone isn't a crime, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
if you're claiming to be single and get benefits because of your status, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
it's quite a different story. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
What's the problem with that, from a benefits point of view? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
From a benefits point of view, if he is living at that address, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
he needs to be declared, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
because his income needs to be taken into consideration. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-So it's not just a case of investigating her activity? -No. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
We need to investigate the partner's activity, as well, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
and find out as much information as we can | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
that brings him back to Jackie Crane's address. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
Or on the off-chance that he does have an address of his own, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
that we can be satisfied that that is exactly where he lives. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
So to find out whether she's been doing something wrong, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
-you need to find out what he's been doing. -Yeah, basically. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
With both Jackie and her alleged live-in fella to investigate, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Gail knew that the first task | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
was to go back through ten years of paperwork | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
with a fine-toothed comb. Sorry about that, Gail. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Jackie Crane had been claiming housing benefit | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
from that address since 1999. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
So, basically, from the first week | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
that she was given the tenancy to the property. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
She continued to claim benefit based on the lone parent income support | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
and there was never any breaks in her claim. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
Over ten application forms and three visits, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Jackie Crane's always declared herself to be a single person. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
So, if Jackie's the one signing the benefit forms, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
she's the one who'll face the music | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
if it's discovered that anything a little bit dodgy is going on. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
But, so far, all we know is | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
she's been claiming she's a single mum for over ten years. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
And she could well have been. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Who's to say that this tip-off that she's living with a man is true? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Gail's got to give her the benefit of the doubt, excuse the pun. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
As she's claiming to be on her own, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
it made sense to start by looking up details of her children. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
As soon as Gail got her mitts on the records, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
something leapt out at her. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
We looked at the birth certificates of both the children, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and both birth certificates showed the same father | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
and that he had declared on the birth certificate | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
that he lived at the same address as Jackie Crane. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Hmm. Now, the first thing that's a bit odd about this | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
is that Jackie only ever told the council she had one child. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Maybe she forgot about the other one. Not only that, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
it seems the kids' dad claims he's living with them all. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Now, that's definitely not what she told the council. And guess what. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
The name of the dad, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
well, it matches that given by the anonymous caller. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
So it looks like someone is either mixed up | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
or Jackie's been a bit flexible with the truth. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
Time for Gail to dig a little bit deeper | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
to find out if Dad was definitely living there full-time. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
The employer only held one address for the partner | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and that was the Effingham Road address, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
the same address that the benefit was being claimed on. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
It showed that he declared that as his home address | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
from October 1999. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
OK, but even if he's living there, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
they could still be entitled to benefits, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
unless he's bringing in a healthy wage to the family. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
The information in relation to his wages | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
showed that he was earning quite a substantial salary. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Well, if this were true, then Jackie would be committing a blatant fraud, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
one which costs the public purse a whopping £1 billion a year. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
It could still be the case that Dad isn't actually living there, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
but just registered there for some reason. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
One way to tell is to look at his bank records, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
and find out where he goes shopping. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
When we looked at Jackie Crane's partner's bank statements, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
we could see that he'd made a lot of transactions on Mitcham Road in Croydon, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
and Mitcham Road is really close to the claim address in Effingham Road. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
A-ha. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
And he was going into the local shops, which are here, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
and using the ATM machine, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
but he was also making purchases in the shops, as well. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
All the evidence is now pointing to the fact that Jackie is living with, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
or at least near, her man. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
And it wasn't long before the investigation | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
revealed something else. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
All his personal correspondences were to be addressed | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
through the claim address at Effingham Road. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
That included his bank statements, his employment details, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
his payslips, anything to do with any finances, any loans. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:15 | |
Virtually everything that he had was registered back to Jackie Crane's address. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
It's not looking good for Jackie. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that Jackie Crane's partner was living with her at the claim address. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
If Gail needed any more convincing she was hot on the tail of a benefit cheat, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
back in the office, her years of investigative experience uncovered | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
a suspicious gym membership payment | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
coming out of Jackie's other half's bank account. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
She wasted no time in giving them a call. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
They provided us with information that showed that | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
that membership belonged to Jackie Crane | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
and that the partner was paying that | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
through his own bank account as a direct debit. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Now, I'm no Sherlock, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
but birth certificate, bank account, employment records, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
all listing one man at one address which also happens to be | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
the same address as a single mum living on benefits. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
You do start to wonder if that tip-off had some substance. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Gail and the fraud investigations team thought the same, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
so they invited Jackie in to see what she had to say for herself. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
At the first interview under caution, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
the allegation was put to Jackie Crane | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
that she had been living at the claim address | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
with her partner and that her partner worked. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
She denied that allegation and was quite taken aback by it. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
She did say that she had an on-off relationship | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
with the person that we mentioned at the interview, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
but that he didn't live with her. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
It seemed Jackie had an answer for everything. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
And you know what? It all sounded very plausible. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
But can Gail put the case to bed? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Was this like the crowning glory? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Well, I did get a bit excited, I have to say. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
'Or will Jackie's stonewalling prove too much to handle?' | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
She didn't have much to say in response to that, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
but she made a few faces. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
'OK, now it's farewell to our fraudsters, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
'and hello to the people that we call saints, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
'those in society who help others in genuine need, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
'but who are sometimes too proud | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
'or don't even know how to claim what's rightfully theirs.' | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
If you're sighted, it can be very easy to take for granted | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
all the things you can see, whether it's a beautiful garden | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
or the faces of your own children. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
But imagine one morning if you woke up | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
and all of that had gone. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
The shutters, overnight, had come down on your world. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
'In December 2011, life for 42-year-old Michael Haley | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
'and his family changed forever.' | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I just woke up one morning and I just couldn't see. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
I couldn't make out anything. Nothing at all. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
He just stood in the kitchen and said, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
"I just can't see." | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
'It all began in the summer of 2011 when Michael started to notice | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
'that the sight in one of his eyes wasn't as good as it used to be.' | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
It was actually the vision in my left eye didn't feel right. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
It just slowly got worse and worse and worse. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
'It wasn't long before it began to affect Michael's ability | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
'to do his job as a support worker for a local charity.' | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I was doing a lot of travelling about, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
travelling to different areas in the northeast, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
supporting profoundly deaf people, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
whether it's to support them shopping, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
doing a bit of life skills with them, like cooking. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
And then I started having problems with light during the night. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
It was very painful. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
'Michael's vision got so bad, he had no choice but to go on sick leave, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
'desperately hoping that his sight would improve.' | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
'On Boxing Day, 2011, he woke up and was completely unable to see.' | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
'This footage is the last time Michael saw his daughter. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
'And even then, he could only make out vague shapes.' | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
The main thing was not seeing my daughter and my wife, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
physically not seeing them again. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Cos it was like someone had just cut a line and that was it. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
And it was really...really horrible. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
It was like a hole, really, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
that we just fell in this hole | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
and we're trying to get back out. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
'Michael was immediately admitted to hospital, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
'where the doctors desperately tried to find out the cause.' | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
They did absolutely loads of tests and then they came back to say that my eyes were absolutely normal. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
His brain is seeing the information and his mind is ignoring it. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Consequently, he's not aware of it, so he's attentionally blind. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
I asked him the question, I said, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
"Is there any guarantees that he may get some sight back?" | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
No guarantees whatsoever. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
'Just when Michael needed it most, along came someone who could help. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
'He was visited in hospital by a lady from Action For Blind People.' | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
We're a charity that provides practical and emotional support | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
for people who are blind and partially-sighted. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Will I ever work? Will I be on benefits? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
At the time, I didn't know. It was really scary times. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
When we first met him, he obviously was lost | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
and he was wondering what was out there for him now. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
You didn't know whether you would have enough money | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
to feed the family, basically. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Pay the bills, pay the rent. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
It was critical we worked with Michael to ensure that | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
him and his family were financially secure | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
that they could plan, they could budget, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
and they knew what was coming in, what was going out. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
As Michael had effectively been made redundant, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
he was entitled to a payment from his old job. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
Charlotte worked with them to make sure that Michael got | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
what he was owed. But he knew that wasn't going to last him long. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
I was quite worried. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
Are we going to have enough money to buy nappies for her at the time? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Stuff like that. Just things like that. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
How are we going to live day-to-day? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
'Charlotte needed to ensure when Michael's cash ran out, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
'she'd sorted him out with money he was due from the government | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
'to help him cope with his blindness and carry him through till he could get another job.' | 0:14:27 | 0:14:33 | |
Having the money, the physical money that they knew they could go to the shop | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
and buy what they needed, that they could feed their little girl, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
that they could pay the bills, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
you know, they're not thinking, "Can we put the heating on today?" | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
'Charlotte's worked wonders for the family, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
'helping Michael with his job and a smooth transition onto benefits | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
'to keep a roof over his young family's head. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
'It wasn't the only aspect of his life that needed to change.' | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
He's always been independent. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
And always wanted to do for other people. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:07 | |
'Being able to get round by himself | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
'was one of the things that was most important to Michael, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
'so the charity arranged for stick training sessions | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
'with local charity My Guide helper, Bob Nunn.' | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
We identify routes into the community, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
that are going to be helpful to them. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
And, erm, we help them to learn those routes, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
with the intention that they'll be able to do it themselves in the end. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
The consequence of that, it'll give him much more independence. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
'Michael is determined not to be a burden on others, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
'and, after six long months, all his hard work has paid off.' | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
Once I'd done my training with the cane, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
it opened up my life. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
It's like an extension of your arm. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
He's now well able to go to the pub himself. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
And it gives him an opportunity to spend a bit of time on his own. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
'It's taken the whole family pulling together. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
'Even his three-year-old daughter has been helping out Dad where she can.' | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
-What colour is it, Faye? -White. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
I'm no longer thinking, you know, I'm not going to see her, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
but I can feel her, I can feel how curly her hair is. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
You know, I've got a rough idea in my head of what she looks like. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
'With help from Action For Blind People, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
'Michael is now taking steps towards reaching his ultimate dream, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
'getting back to work. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
'And he's doing this by learning how to use computers designed specifically for blind people.' | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
I'm striving to get back into work. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
And nothing's going to stop me if I can help it. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
'No-one should have to go through what Michael's been through, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
'but, with help, he and his family now know there's a way forward.' | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
I can't put in words, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
it's absolutely amazing the job that they do. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
They're invaluable, the information and the support that you get off them | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
is absolutely invaluable. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Michael and his family have really picked themselves up after a challenging time. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
And with the help and support they've received, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
he can now look forward to a more independent and brighter future. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
'Now it's back to our scroungers, where the spotlight of suspicion | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
'has fallen on a single mother living in Croydon.' | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
This particular case was referred to us | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
through the Department for Work and Pensions. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
And they had received an anonymous referral | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
that suggested that Jackie Crane | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
had a partner living with her and that he worked. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
'If true, this would mean that Jackie Crane had been fraudulently claiming benefits | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
'that were based on the fact she was a single mother living on her own for the last ten years. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
There was absolutely no doubt in my mind | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
that Jackie Crane's partner was living with her at the claim address. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
'Gail brought Jackie in for an interview under caution, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
'and asked her why her man was regularly using the cash point | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
'and shop just round the corner from where she lived | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
'if he wasn't living there.' | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
She responded to this assumption by saying that, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
of course he would be using the shops close to the claim address | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
because he visited her and the children most nights. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
'OK. Being a caring dad and regularly seeing your kids, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
'well, that's a good thing, right? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
'But if he wasn't living there, instead only visiting most nights, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
'then why had he told both his bank and his boss that he was living at that address?' | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
She gave us an excuse that she allowed him to use her address, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
and, in fact, all of his payslips | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
and any correspondence relating to the employment would've been sent to her address, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
because it was an address that he could trust. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
She did suggest that he still lived at his mother's address, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
which wasn't too far away from the claim address, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
but it was far enough. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
'It's an explanation that's quite plausible, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
'but Gail's gut instinct was still telling her | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
'she was hot on the heels of a cunning benefit fraudster. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
'So she decided to have a little chat with Jackie's boyfriend's mum.' | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
Well, she came for her interview | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
and she answered the questions we had in relation to her son. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
And what she told us was that her son had not lived with her | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and in fact he left the house when he was 18 years old. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
'But, hold on, Jackie clearly stated under caution that he lived with his mother. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
'With cracks beginning to emerge in the story, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
'it was time for Gail to get Jackie back in for further questioning.' | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
The second interview was a brief recap of what she'd said previously. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
We then made her aware that we'd spoken to her partner's mother | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
and that we had a written statement from the mother. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
The mother had denied that he had lived with her | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
throughout the years that Jackie and he had been a couple. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
She didn't have much to say in response to that, but she made a few faces. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
-'Jackie's lips might be sealed...' -No comment. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
'..but with Gail convinced she was concealing the truth, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
'she turned up the heat.' | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Have a look at that and tell me what you think. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
'And eventually Jackie began to crack.' | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Different to what she said at the first interview | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
was that he did contribute towards the food for the family. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
And he would take them shopping for food | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
and he would pay for that. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
That was slightly different to what she said at the first interview, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
where she said that he didn't contribute at all to the household, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
that she paid the bills for everything. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
'The evidence was too much for Jackie. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
'Confronted with a comprehensive paper trail of the couple's finances | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
'and statements from witnesses, she back-tracked even further.' | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
She made that quite clear, that he would stay, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
he would stay occasionally and for no more than three nights a week. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Jackie Crane never made any enquiries | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
to find out whether or not she needed to declare the partner, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
even though he was only there for supposedly three days a week. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
'Gail was convinced she had her on the ropes. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
'But Jackie still wasn't backing down. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
'The investigation had hit a bit of a stalemate.' | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
-So you've interviewed under caution three times. -Yes. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
But at that stage, things still aren't feeling right for you. You've still got suspicions. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
Yeah. It's, erm, a situation | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
where we've got Jackie Crane telling us one thing | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
and her partner's mother telling us a different version. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
So we still don't know where he lives 100 percent, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
we've had nothing to prove evidentially | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
that he could be at another address. Everything that we had | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
pointed to him living at Jackie Crane's address. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
You've got to decide at some point whether you've got a clear-enough picture, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
-enough evidence to take it to a court, to a jury, for them to decide on this. -Yeah. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
'Despite Jackie not 'fessing up, Gail was still confident she'd crack the case. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
'But with all the benefit claims in Jackie's name, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
'Gail had no charges to pin on the partner. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
'She raced ahead and summoned Jackie Crane to court... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
'..for a total of 13 counts of making false statements | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
'in order to claim housing and council tax benefit | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
'to the tune of around 47 grand.' | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
That must be quite nerve-racking for you. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Because, I mean, you spent a lot of time working on these investigations | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
and then to get to the stage where you can finally take some action, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
you've got to get your soldiers lined up, haven't you? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Well, you have to be sure of your facts | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
and base it purely on facts. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
You can't make your personal thoughts come into what you prepare for court. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
So it's purely based on evidence | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
and what you produce as part of your evidence to the court, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
and to any jury, should it need to go to trial. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
So you've got to put all your suspicions and prejudices and all of that stuff to one side | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
and just look at the facts that you've got. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
'Despite all her hard work and meticulous investigation, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
'Gail was about to have the wind taken out of her sails. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
'When the case got to the Magistrates' Court, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
'they decided the fraud was so serious it was passed up the ladder to Crown Court, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
'which meant a bit of a wait before the case could be heard.' | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
It must be hugely frustrating, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
because you've got everything sorted out | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and the system is pushing you further back and back | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
to actually when we discover the truth and justice is served. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
That's right. And also, you have to bear in mind | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
that when you do give your evidence, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
her barrister looks at the delays | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
and tries to make it look like | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
the delays have been caused unfairly to her. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
And they do play on that a little bit. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
So it's always good to get your matter in court and dealt with very quickly. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
'With the potential for the case to slip away, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
'Gail knew that anxious months lay ahead. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
'Rather than resting on her laurels, she continued hunting for further proof, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
'when she discovered Jackie Crane had a public profile on a social network site. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:03 | |
'A rookie mistake, as not only could it be read by anyone, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
'but what Jackie had written was about to land her right in it.' | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
On her Facebook page, she'd made some declarations | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
that her and her long-term boyfriend had split up. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:19 | |
And there were two comments on there | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
that made me wonder what had been going on, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
and she'd changed her status to single, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
which was another indication that something dramatic had happened. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
'But Gail didn't stop there. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
'She decided to check bank statements for the now ex-boyfriend | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
'to see if there were any changes to his spending patterns around the time of the break-up. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
'Was she about to find the evidence she needed | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'to finally put this case to bed?' | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
He, within a month, told his employer, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
he's told his bank, he's opened a new bank account, he's taken a tenancy, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
he now pays his way outside the borough. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
-So he'd moved out. -He'd gone. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
But he was in before, which is the crucial bit. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Well, yeah, this was the first time that I had ever seen | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
anything that indicated a change in circumstances | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
in relation to her and him being a couple. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
-Was this like the crowning glory? -Well, I did get a bit excited. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
I have to say, I did get a bit excited. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
'I'll say. With the new evidence and the other stuff Gail had uncovered, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
'surely now Jackie Crane wouldn't have a leg to stand on?' | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
When Jackie Crane gave her evidence at court, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
again, she maintained that her partner had never lived with her. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
'Despite a witness statement from a friend corroborating Jackie's story, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
'it didn't take the jury long to bring in their verdict.' | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
It was quite evident that the jury didn't believe a word that she said, because they found her guilty... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
..unanimously. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
'So Gail had been right all along. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
'And her hard work and perseverance paid off in the end. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
'After a decade of defrauding the system, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
'Jackie Crane was found guilty of conning Croydon Council | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
'out of over £47,000 in housing and council tax benefits. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
'And on top of that, she was also found guilty | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
'of cheating the Department of Work and Pensions out of just shy of 21 grand in income support payments. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
'For that lot, she was given 16 months behind bars.' | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
So how did you feel then when that verdict came through? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
It's job satisfaction at the end of something when the jury agree | 0:26:29 | 0:26:36 | |
and somebody is rightfully punished for what they've done. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Her status update was one of the things | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
that finally nailed this scheming mum. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Well, here's a new status update for Jackie Crane. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
-HE TYPES -Currently detained at Her Majesty's pleasure. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 |