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In the UK, most of us work hard and pay our taxes. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Most people, basically, intrinsically, won't fiddle. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
I'm happy I live in a society that has a safety net for the poor. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
And we generally agree that it's right, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
that a proportion of what you earn should go into a pot | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
that's there to help you, should you need it. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
But that money doesn't always find its way to the right people. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
I think lying to gain the benefit is so wrong. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
It's awful. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
If you believe in karma, it's going to come back round and get you. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
There are big changes taking place in the welfare system | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
here in the UK. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
And now it's more important than ever that the right help | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
gets to the right people. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
This is the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Coming up - the scroungers that are out to beat the system. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
A removals man moving more than just furniture, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
as he tries to avoid paying his dues | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
after inheriting a large sum of money. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
It seemed quite apparent from the very first moment | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
that I read the papers and examined all the documents, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
that he'd set out to totally ignore all requests for payment. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
And those who rightly deserve a helping hand - | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
an ex-police officer who's reluctant to ask for help | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
when he gets struck down by two life-threatening diseases | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and faces financial insecurity. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
It's the not knowing that's the biggest thing. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
I was so worried. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
When you lose a parent it can be a difficult and confusing time. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
There's a lot of paperwork to handle and also, of course, the funeral. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Now, an inheritance doesn't provide any consolation | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
but it can give you a bit of a financial cushion through that time. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
Depending on your circumstances, it can also be something | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
you're duty-bound to let the authorities know about. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
50-year-old Michael Sheehy knows what it's like. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
A self-employed removals man from Paignton in Devon, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
he lost his father in June 2008. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
But six months later, after probate was granted, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
he received a sizeable inheritance - £114,000. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
Any comfort this money had provided came to an end, though, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
as less than two years later he found himself in the red. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
With an involuntary bankruptcy order | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
and debts to various creditors of over £58,000. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
Must have been one hell of a party. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
So, how did this all happen? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
How did Sheehy get into so much debt so quickly? | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
Part of the money he owed was connected | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
to his £114,000 inheritance. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
When someone dies, the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
automatically get details of the will. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
They discovered that Sheehy Senior had been overpaid pension credits | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
by almost £23,000. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
That's not to say that Sheehy Senior had deliberately defrauded anyone, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
it was just something that only came to light after he died. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
So, Sheehy didn't just inherit money, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
he also inherited an associated debt. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
But even if he chose to pay off the DWP, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
he'd still be left with tens of thousands of pounds to enjoy. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Sheehy didn't want to give up any of his money, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
as along with the DWP, he also owed the taxman. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
As a self-employed removals man, he was responsible for paying | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
the tax on any income he earned from his business. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
But he wasn't. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
In total, he owed nearly £31,000. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
And he wasn't great at paying utility bills | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
when they came in either. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
Added to his debt was an extra £4,000 he owed to a bank | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
and water company. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
With the associated inheritance debt of £23,000, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Sheehy was a whopping £58,000 in the red. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
Even so, with his inheritance, simple maths still leaves him flush | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
and more than able to pay his debts. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
But Sheehy ignored all demands from his creditors for payment. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
They were left with no choice | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
and in August 2010 he was declared bankrupt. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
Carol Butler is an official receiver from the Insolvency Service | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
based in Exeter, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
and she was responsible for handling his case. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
If you become bankrupt then you lose all your assets, on the whole. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
There are various exceptions. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
We might allow them their vehicle if they need it for work. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
But they do lose any assets they have and we may look to see if they can | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
make contributions throughout their bankruptcy | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
towards their creditors, out of their income. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
So it is quite a stringent regime. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
Having been forced into bankruptcy, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
he was now required to surrender any assets he had to pay his dues. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
We knew where he was, we had his address. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
So we knew our letters were reaching him. We had a telephone number. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
It wasn't that we had to track him down, he was just not cooperating. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
Nothing we were asking Mr Sheehy to do was to unreasonable, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
and therefore he has a duty to provide us with the information. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
Carol and her team could only speculate as to why | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
he was ignoring them. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
All they knew for certain is that he'd inherited | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
over £100,000 less than two years earlier. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
If someone gets a lot of money and then doesn't pay their creditors when | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
they were clearly in a position to do so, then that flags it up immediately | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
as misconduct, and something that we ought to do something about, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
not just try and recover what monies we can | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
but also take action to be a deterrent | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
so that other people are not tempted to do the same sort of thing | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
because they think they can get away with it. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
So what if a bankrupt tries to dodge their debts? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Well, then it's the responsibility of John Pearson, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
one of 40 investigators from the Government's | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Business, Innovation & Skills Department to prosecute. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
It's our job to gather evidence when allegations of criminal offences | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
are identified to the organisation. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
Put simply, quite often the offences revolve around people | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
who are have debt, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
want to declare themselves bankrupt to get rid of that debt, and yet | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
they have some assets of one kind or another, whether it be | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
a property or money in the bank, and they want to keep that as well. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
And clearly that's neither fair or right, because these people will | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
have creditors, and the idea is that those creditors should get | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
some money back. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
Sheehy failed to attend three separate interviews that Carol | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
and her team had set up for him. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
It had been a frustrating few weeks but, at last, a breakthrough. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
We finally managed to get hold of him in October | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
but he still wasn't really cooperating. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
It was a brief amount of information on the telephone about his assets | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
and his business, but it was a very limited amount of information. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
He arranged to come in for interview but then didn't turn up. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
Sheehy was dead set on avoiding the authorities. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Find out later if they can get him to cough up before he has time | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
to spend all his inheritance. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
It seemed quite apparent from the very first moment | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
that I read the papers and examined all the documents that he'd set out | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
to totally ignore all requests for payment from any Crown department. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
In the first place, he had no intention of letting the Revenue | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
know what he was actually earning and filling in his tax forms, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
like everyone else has to do, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
which leaves us all paying that little bit extra. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
For now, it's goodbye to the scroungers | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
who are dodging their dues, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
and hello to those who we call our saints - | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
the people who do everything to make sure that those in desperate | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
need of help, who are too proud or simply don't know how to help | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
themselves, get what they deserve. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Nobody likes being ill or going to hospital. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
But there are certain illnesses and diseases with which the very | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
name itself can strike fear into you. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Imagine being diagnosed with not just one but two of those. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:47 | |
This is exactly what happened to former police officer Mike Peak. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
He retired in 1998 after spending 30 years in the force, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
but just nine years later began to find it increasingly hard | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
to recover from day-to-day tasks like gardening. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
He went for tests and was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
I went through a range of emotions... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
..ranging from, "Why me? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
"What have I done to deserve this?" | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
My feelings were one of frustration as much as anything else because | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
I wasn't able to do activities or things that I was able to do before. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
Mike's wife Sandra lived through it with him. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
With Parkinson's, you have to initiate all the movements. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
Your brain has to tell your body to do the movements, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
so walking isn't so easy. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
The one he continued to do of his old things was cycling, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
but not to the same extent. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
This was particularly hard on an active man like Mike | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
who had participated in sport all his life. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
I've come to his Nottinghamshire home to find out more. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
-So, Mike, how has life changed for you? -Well, I used to... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Since I retired from the police force, I had my own gardening | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
and odd-job business, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
and I wasn't able to do the jobs so I had to sort of fold the business up | 0:10:01 | 0:10:07 | |
because I just physically couldn't do the work any more. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
And what did that do for your state of mind? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
I'm quite a determined sort of character. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
And I... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
set about doing things that I could do. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
And the specialist said to me, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
"The best thing you could do is to be as active as you possibly can." | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
And so that was sort of a green light to me, if you like, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
to be as active as I possibly can. So I started doing Pilates, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
hydrospin, keep fit, because I've always been very active. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
No longer able to work in his gardening business, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Mike and Sandra instead focused on trying to | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
enjoy their retirement, albeit with less money coming in. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
We didn't allow Parkinson's to affect our life more. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:58 | |
We decided we would adapt. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
We've kept up all our social life. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
And that is why he does very little housework and gardening, so that his | 0:11:02 | 0:11:08 | |
strength can be used on our social life, because it's more important. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
Mike was coping as well as he could with Parkinson's. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Then they noticed something else was wrong. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Michael had got a patch on his shoulder | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
and a strange lump on his ear. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
It was like a bead at the top of his ear but it got bigger and then | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
it began to be a real problem, and I was sure they were both sinister. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
So I asked him to go to our GP | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and get it checked out. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
Sandra and Mike's biggest fear was realised | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
when, after biopsies were taken, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
they were told that Mike had cancer. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
"Cancer" is a very emotive word. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
And it conjures up all sorts of emotions, all bad. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:59 | |
With a lack of knowledge, you imagine all sorts of different things. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Despite Mike facing Parkinson's head on, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
this news completely threw them off course. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
When he got the realisation that he'd got cancer... | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
..he was a very frightened man. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
As was I. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
We didn't want to tell people close to us. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
It's too scary a thought to sort of say to people, like, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
"Am I going to die?" | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Because you think, "Am I going to die?" But being a typical man, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
he tried to hide it. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Living with cancer presents constant challenges, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
not just emotionally but financially as well. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
But rather than face it, Mike just wanted to ignore it. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
I think when people are first diagnosed with cancer, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
their initial reaction is normally shock. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
They'll then often go into a period of grieving, actually. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
They'll be grieving for the loss of a life that they had before, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
the diagnosis and a loss of themselves. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
It also affects not only themselves but their family as well. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Mike was presented with some stark options | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
if he was to give himself the very best chance of survival, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
and it would change the Mike he saw in the mirror. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
They carried out the operation for partial amputation of my left ear. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
So I had, like, half an ear. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
Lower half, top half being missing. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
It looked quite strange. To me, in my eyes, anyway. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
But the tests said that they had got all the tumour and as far as I | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
was concerned, at that stage, the job was finished and everything was OK. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
Mike and Sandra went back to enjoying their retirement, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
albeit having to make allowances for Mike's Parkinson's | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
until, just two years later, once again, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
their world was turned upside down. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I was sat at Trent Bridge with my son watching the Test match. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
I found the lump in my neck behind what was left of my ear. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
I really started to get worried. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
So I went to the dermatologist nurse, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
got her to have a look at it and it was her, then, that referred me | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
to the specialists, and so it escalated from there. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
The cancer had returned but Sandra and Mike had an excruciating | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
seven-week wait to find out just how far it had spread. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
When you understand what it is that you have to deal with, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
you find a way to deal with that. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
But during those weeks waiting for the scan results, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
you didn't know what you were dealing with. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Didn't know what we were dealing with. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Your mind wanders all over the place. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
During that seven weeks I didn't know | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
whether I was riddled with it, whether it was localised or anything. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
It was a very, very traumatic and very worrying time. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
And you're also trying to plan for the future and trying to | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
understand what that future holds for yourself and for Sandra. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
You don't know what the future is. You don't know if there is a future. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
It was very scary indeed, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
because my brain said he must be absolutely riddled. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
We were in such fear that we were beginning to lose it. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:14 | |
We didn't feel that we could dump this on our children | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
and on, like, his mum, and we were trying to hold it all together. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:25 | |
But it built up and built up. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
We were thinking the worst and it was just getting on top of us. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:33 | |
I was so worried. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:34 | |
I went to tears. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
Mike and Sandra had no idea what the future held and the financial | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
uncertainty of how they would afford any major changes they needed to make. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
They turned to a cancer care centre in Nottingham and Kate Martin, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
a cancer support specialist. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
Here at Maggie's we offer a programme of support | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
to anyone affected by cancer. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
When Mike and Sandra came to the centre, they were | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
obviously very concerned for their future, for Mike's future, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
and very uncertain about what was going on. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Mike was quite withdrawn, he was obviously very anxious | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
and I think he was finding it quite difficult to cope. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
Sandra, on the other hand, seemed a little bit more upbeat | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
but I think she was just probably trying to be strong for Mike. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
This lady came and took us... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
..to a quiet room. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
Talked to us. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Gently... | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
And we began...to come down. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
She obviously could see that... | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
We needed help. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
And just talked to us and went through it. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
It was clear that Mike and Sandra desperately needed | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
the support that the centre offered | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
and I've come to meet Kate and find out more about what they do here. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
This doesn't feel like a hospital or any kind of medical centre | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
that I've ever been to. Is that part of the idea? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Building design is a fundamental part of the Maggie's programme. It's very, very non-institutional | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
and I think that puts people at ease immediately. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
It means that they can relax in an environment that is very close | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
to the hospital, but not the hospital. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
So when Mike walked through the doors here, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
you know, you have a chap who seems very strong in many ways, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:31 | |
but he's been given repeated difficult hands to deal with, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
one after the other. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
And finally, he's got something he doesn't know how he can deal with. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
How do you start to approach that yourself? | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Really, I think a lot of people that come through the door | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
are very uncertain of the future. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
That's something that's common with everyone. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
No matter what your diagnosis is, there's an element of uncertainty | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
with any cancer diagnosis, and whether that cancer will recur. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Mike's fears at the time were obviously very real, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
about whether the cancer had spread, and along with Sandra, his wife, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
we were sitting around the table chatting and Chris, our benefits advisor, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
also started talking to them, and through that conversation he realised that they hadn't | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
actually claimed any benefits at that time. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
And so he suggested that they well may be eligible for the Disability Living Allowance. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
With the financial help of the Disability Living Allowance | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
they were entitled to, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
and a mobility car to make hospital visits easier, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
the pressure on the couple was beginning to lift. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
A few weeks after having found the centre, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
doctors finally gave Mike the news | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
he'd been so desperately waiting for. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Thankfully, his cancer was localised, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
and treatable with surgery and radiotherapy. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
It was going to be a tough recovery | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
but Kate was there for Mike throughout the treatment. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
He started to get quite poorly. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
He lost a lot of weight and he became quite ill | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and very, very thin, and we were all quite worried for him. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
He really struggled to eat and we would try and get food down him, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
and he'd manage it and then he would be sick. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
He lost a total of four stone... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
over that period of time. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
I mean, the weight just dropped off him. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
During the gruelling weeks of radiotherapy treatment, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
the centre became their haven, somewhere they could turn to. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
Tell me how everything changed for you since you first came here. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Well... | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
I can't explain it, really. We didn't expect them | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
to help us in the way they did. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
And it just is a release of tension because I didn't feel we could | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
load it onto Michael's mum, our son, our daughter, and even our friends, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
whereas you come here and you let these poor souls get the lot. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
After having surgery to remove the lump and completing | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
his course of radiotherapy, Mike's future is now looking brighter. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
Your journey with cancer, where are you now on that road? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
I believe I'm out the tunnel at the other end. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
I saw the oncologist a couple of weeks ago, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
who said that she could find nothing to give cause for concern. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
-But you can never completely close the door? -No. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
-It doesn't work like that. -No, you can never completely close the door, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
there's always the chance it will return. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
But the worst is over, things are as good as they can be. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
You and Sandra have an amazing partnership, really. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
We actually... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
I've got nothing but praise for her. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
She has stood by me all the way through. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
So where are you at right now? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
I'm determined Michael will not end up in a nursing home. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
I've worked in a nursing home, it was good, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
but I want him home with me into our old age. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Life is very precious. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
And... | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
And life's for living. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
And I'm going to love it. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
It's time to leave our saints | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
and return to the greedy world of our money-hungry scroungers. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
Despite inheriting £114,000 in 2009, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
Michael Sheehy, "a man with a van" from Devon, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
was forced to go bankrupt just 19 months later | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
for owing £58,000 to the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
and the tax man. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
So, had he really lost all his money in such a short period of time? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Carol Butler from the Insolvency Service suspected | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
that he wasn't playing by the bankruptcy rules and, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
after months of trying, she finally tracked him down. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
He did tell us he had a bank account, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
but couldn't provide us with the details. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
It's very difficult to say what his motivation was, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
other than that he was not going to tell us about this money that he had. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
It is difficult to see that there could be | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
any other motivation for not telling us. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Sheehy wasn't playing by the rules of insolvency that bankrupts should, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
so Carol was left with little choice. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Because we weren't getting cooperation, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
we sought his public examination at court | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
in January 2011. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Sheehy now had no option but to show up with his bank account details. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
He'd inherited over £100,000, a sum that most people can only dream of. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:31 | |
So, they were hoping the account would show that BUT... | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
What we discovered was that, at the time of the bankruptcy order, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
there had been quite a considerable sum of money in the bank account, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
but in between the order being made | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
and getting what was left, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
some monies had been withdrawn. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
In fact, he'd actually withdrawn money | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
on the day following the bankruptcy order. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
We did manage to recover about £26,000. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
26K. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
That is less than half of what he owed | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
and less than half his inheritance. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
But finally, the Insolvency Service had the evidence they needed | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
to show that he'd been flouting the bankruptcy laws. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
After giving Carol the run-around for months, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
forcing her to drag him to court, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
she discovered, from his £114,000 inheritance, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
£88,000 had gone walkabouts while his creditors were still owed money. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
This was now a criminal investigation, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
and John Pearson, an investigation officer | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
from the Department of Business, Innovation & Skills, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
was handed the case. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
We're there to investigate and find the truth. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Most people are law-abiding citizens | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
and we only get referred a small number of the cases | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
that the Insolvency Service deal with - | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
the people that need to be dealt with properly | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
and need to get their just desserts. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
And John was on board to make sure that Sheehy got his comeuppance. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
By the time that he actually handed over that that bankbook, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
the vast majority had disappeared | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
and there still wasn't enough in there then to pay off all his debts. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
They recovered £26,000 from Sheehy's account. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
But he still owed a further 32,000. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
To suggest it's a victimless crime | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
because it's the Crown that's lost is totally and utterly wrong. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
It's because those assets are lost to the Crown | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
that other people end up paying a little bit more tax - | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
the Treasury have to deal with it in one way or another. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Sheehy had clearly spent, or hidden, the remaining 32 grand. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
But could they track it down? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
He was withdrawing it in fairly regular amounts. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
They were generally for £500. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
Sometimes two days at a time. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
He might go on a Tuesday and back again on a Thursday. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
You have to ask yourself where that money went. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Where indeed? | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
He got his inheritance of over £100,000 in January 2009, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
but by the time Carol obtained his bank statements, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
there were just £26,000 left. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
When you consider the amount of the original inheritance, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
which would have paid all his creditors, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
I think most members of the public WOULD find that quite shocking | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
and not acceptable behaviour. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
John was dead set on finding the £32,000 still owed | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
to the public purse. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
He sought witness statements from the HMRC, the DWP and Carol | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
to show, without doubt, that Sheehy had flouted the bankruptcy laws. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
He then contacted Sheehy | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
and invited him for an interview under caution | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
in an attempt to find out where this money had gone. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Rather surprisingly, I have to say, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
I received a reply quite promptly saying that he would attend | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
the interview at Exeter and would be interviewed under caution. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I say "surprisingly" because I knew, of course, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
that he'd failed consistently | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
to have anything to do with all the other public departments | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
and ignored the letters. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
But as I drove to Exeter that day to interview him, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
I did consider whether I would be going on a bit of a false journey | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and whether he'd, in fact, turn up, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
because on a number of occasions, he'd made appointments, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
said he was going to turn up for the Insolvency Service, and never did. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Astonishingly, Sheehy DID turn up this time. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Was John close to finally tracking down the missing money? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Having arrived, he then told me, quite clearly, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
that he'd come along to the interview | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
but he had no intention of giving me any information whatsoever. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
So, Sheehy was back to his old tricks again. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Tight-lipped and tight-pursed. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
This time, though, there was no hiding place - | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
John already had enough incriminating evidence against him. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
The lawyers did decide the evidence was clear | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
and sufficient enough to prosecute, that it was in the public interest. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Clearly, where at all possible, we were also trying | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
to make people realise that people who commit these offences | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
will be tracked down, will be prosecuted | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
and possibly will go to prison. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
Sheehy was committed for trial by jury at Exeter Crown Court | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
in January 2013, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
a mere four years since he'd inherited over £100,000. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
He stood accused of three counts | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
of removing money totalling £37,600 | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
from his accounts and one count of failing to disclose these funds. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
Sheehy pleaded guilty to all four counts | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
and was sentenced to 12 months in prison. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
What a sorry tale. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
If only Sheehy had paid off that debt | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
when he'd inherited the money, then he would have been all right | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
and still had nearly half to himself. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
As it was... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
Well, once the DWP and the HMRC get their teeth into you, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
they are unlikely to let go. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
He may have the rest of that money hidden away somewhere in a suitcase, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
ready to spend once again in shops and restaurants, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
but for the next 12 months at least, he's on a strict diet of porridge. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 |