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In the UK, we're lucky to have things like transport networks, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Legal Aid and free health care. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
I'd like to think my taxes went to the NHS, elderly people. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
A lot of people wouldn't have survived at all | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
if it hadn't been for the NHS! | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
These services are mostly paid for by us, the taxpayer, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
and on the whole, we don't mind. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
What happens when someone tries to steal from the system? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
It is a criminal offence. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
You've paid your taxes, you've paid your way and people are cheating the system. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
Ridiculous! | 0:00:34 | 0:00:35 | |
With the economy as tough as it is, it's more important than ever | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
that those who nick from the system don't get away with it | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
and those who need help get it. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
This is the world of Saints & Scroungers. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
'Caught trying to fiddle the system. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
'A pair of dentists pull a fast one over their patients and the NHS.' | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
It affects everybody out there who is an NHS patient of any sort. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
This is our money and we need to stop it. It's our NHS. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
'Then we meet those who deserve the public's help. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
'We meet an autistic college leaver who's determined to better himself.' | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
To be in the workplace is like a stepping stone, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
being more independent and taking more responsibility. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Nobody likes going to the dentist. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
It can be painful, a bit scary and very expensive. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
That's why the person who's putting a drill into your mouth | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
needs to be completely trustworthy. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
< Mr Allwright! | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Here we go. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
'Meet 45-year-old Werner Muller and 64-year-old John Atkinson, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
'two experienced and successful dentists working in Leicestershire, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
'where they treated private and NHS patients. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
'So, why were both men suspended in 2013 | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
'after over 60 years of service between them? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
'Sue Frith at NHS Protect can shed some light on the relationship | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
'between dentists and the National Health Service.' | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
Explain to me how it works with the NHS and dentists. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
You don't have to be an NHS dentist to do dentistry work for the NHS. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
No, dentists have their own private practice often | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and they also can do work for the NHS, so there's a combination. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
They can just be NHS dentists, private dentists or a mixture of the two. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
What's the mechanism, then, by which they get paid? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
If they're working for the NHS, when you go to the dentist, you'll be given a document to sign | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
that indicates that you've had NHS treatment and it will be reconciled. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
'Both Muller and Atkinson carried out NHS treatment | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
'in the practice in Leicestershire. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
'The practice was run by a company called Incorporated Dental Holdings, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
'or IDH, who had a contract to carry out NHS work. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
'IDH provided Muller and Atkinson with the premises, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
'staff and technology they needed to run a business, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
'in return for a percentage of the dentists' incomes. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
'The National Health Service work proved to be lucrative. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
'Muller was on an annual £271,000 contract | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
'and Atkinson was earning £135,000 a year. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
'But suspicions were raised at IDH in 2007.' | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
IDH first realised that they might have a problem | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
when they decided to introduce a new computer software package | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
to deal with all the paperwork and patient records. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
They were rolling this out across their various practices. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
'In order to understand the new computer software, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
'the company gave all employees a two-day training course.' | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
During the course of the training, Werner Muller and John Atkinson | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
were talking quite openly about how they could circumvent the system | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
and claim for NHS work whilst also claiming for private treatment. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:10 | |
They were talking about opening two courses of treatment at the same time. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
'So, the chatterbox dentists were bragging about a potential loophole in the system | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
'which would allow them to fraudulently profit. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
'But this light-hearted banter upset the IDH training staff.' | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
They were so worried that they e-mailed senior members of the management team | 0:04:28 | 0:04:35 | |
to say, "Look, this is what happened," | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
and followed it up with a report saying, "We are really worried." | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
'Senior management and IDH took the trainers' concerns seriously | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
'and decided to audit the practice that Muller and Atkinson worked from. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
'The results suggested some dodgy dealings, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
'so they handed the case over to NHS Protect fraud investigator, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
'Liz Wood.' | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
The approach from IDH came from the very top. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
They thought that they had a problem and were extremely helpful. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
They provided us with lots of documentation. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Many of the senior management team made statements and explained exactly what they had done. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
'So, Muller and Atkinson were under investigation | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
'for stealing from the National Health Service, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
'an institution that provides free health care for the public. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
'Would trained professionals really scam our NHS?' | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
The majority are honest hard-working dentists, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
but some dentists don't apply the rules the way they should do. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
If we have some information that indicates they're not applying the rules they should do, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
then we would investigate it further. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
Would you say this is an area that is a particular concern, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
an area where NHS Protect identifies a lot of fraud taking place? | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
There are lots of dentists and most of them use the system correctly. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
Others see it as a opportunity to both charge the patient then claim it back through the NHS, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
or persuade the patient they have to have something done privately, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
rather than fill in that form and do it through the NHS. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
'At this stage of the investigation, Liz Wood still had a lot to prove.' | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
When we first get a case, we have to approach it with an open mind. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
We can't go in assuming that just because an allegation of fraud has been made, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
that somebody is automatically guilty. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
'So, the chase was on to determine | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
'exactly what Muller and Atkinson had been up to. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
'Surely, they were mucking about during the training day | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
'when they said they'd found a way to fiddle the system?' | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The first thing that we got when we were investigating | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
was a list from IDH of all of the treatment. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
We could see that there were two courses of treatment open at the same time for the same patients. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:53 | |
There would be a private course of treatment | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
and an NHS course of treatment, and that really shouldn't happen. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
'Unbelievable! Muller and Atkinson weren't bantering on the training day. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
'They HAD discovered a loophole in the computer system | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
'and it appeared they'd been exploiting it to the full.' | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
If they put private patients through the system as NHS patients, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:17 | |
that's the private patients that the NHS knows absolutely nothing about, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
if they put them through as NHS patients, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
they get credited with NHS work for private work. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
When we looked at the private course of treatment, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
frequently described as "other", so it wasn't quite so obvious | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
to people at IDH what they were doing, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
we found it would be described as just one tooth in a denture | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
or a colour on a crown. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
You bought an NHS crown and it has a private colour on it. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
You don't get a bridge with just one NHS bit to it. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
You get a bridge - a private bridge or an NHS bridge, not a bit of both. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
They made it sound like a patchwork blanket, not a dental treatment. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
'When Liz looked further into the scam, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
'it became apparent that patients were being swindled as well.' | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
The patients fell into two different groups. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
Some were convinced that they hadn't been able to have NHS work | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
or had chosen deliberately to go for private treatment, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
and were convinced that what they had received was private treatment, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
even though some of them actually got a fairly basic crown or denture. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
Others were convinced they were NHS. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
It didn't matter that they'd paid way over the NHS price. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
People believe the dentist when they say, "This is what you have to pay." | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
'Outrageous! | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
'As well as swindling the NHS, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
'the dentists were ripping off their patients, too. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
'It was time to start building the strongest case against Muller and Atkinson, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
'so the fraud team jumped on their computers.' | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
A forensic image of a computer is a copy of what is actually stored on the computer. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:02 | |
It covers everything. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
In this case, we copied the patient records. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
We copied the record of everything that had been sent to the NHS. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
We also copied all the financial records and appointment books, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
so we could see who had come in on what day at what time. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
We could see what they had paid. We could see absolutely everything. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
'And the next task was to link the information to Muller and Atkinson.' | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
The forensic image in this case was really important | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
because we could see that it was Werner Muller and John Atkinson | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
putting the information onto the computer. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
They had their own individual log-ons and it was their log-on | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
that was used to put in the private and the NHS course of treatment at the same time. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:52 | |
'So, Liz and the team could link Muller and Atkinson | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
'to the indiscretions being made on the IDH booking system. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
'We'll find out later if they grasped their opportunity to prosecute.' | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
'Time to say goodbye to the scroungers trying to pinch from the public purse | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
'and welcome those we call our saints - | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
'people who work hard and dedicate their time | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
'to ensuring that others in need of support and struggling to keep their lives on track | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
'get all the help they're entitled to.' | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
As a young person leaving school, looking for a career, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
the job market can be a tough and intimidating place. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
If you're a school-leaver with a disability, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
you can have even greater odds stacked against you. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
'20-year-old Christopher McGeady was determined to better himself, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
'despite suffering from Autistic Spectrum Disorder, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
'with which he was diagnosed at the age of five.' | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
It's a mental learning disability which affects the way a person lives | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
in terms of interaction and...a different way of lifestyle, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:04 | |
compared to a normal average person. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
'Autism is a disability that can be misunderstood.' | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
One of the key things is that autism is a hidden disability. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
People don't look any different from you and I, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
but they may really struggle in our complex social environment. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
Often that results in very high levels of anxiety and stress. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:31 | |
'People with autism often have severe learning disabilities | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
'and find interacting a challenge, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
'making fitting into mainstream society tough.' | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Only 15% of people on the autistic spectrum are in full-time employment. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:47 | |
Which, I think, is a really... sad reflection | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
when we know how many people want to get jobs | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
and just what they can bring to the workplace. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
'Christopher lives at home with his family | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
'and has been receiving Disability Living Allowance from an early age.' | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Developmental delay is one key factor of the disability. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
One of the things that I continuously need help with, even now, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
is to have more time to understand things and take things on board. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
'Christopher attended a mainstream school up to the age of ten, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
'but because of his learning difficulties, it was decided | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
'that he would benefit from going to a school that specialised in supporting autistic children.' | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
In the special school, it was relatively straightforward. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
It was done in a certain way that myself and the other pupils could learn and understand things. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
In the mainstream environment, it was quite hectic, in terms of the method of teaching. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
'Even though Christopher found mainstream education hard because of his autism, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:54 | |
'he still wanted to get some qualifications when he reached his mid teens. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
'The autistic school couldn't teach him maths at GCSE level, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
'so he started attending secondary school on a part-time basis | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
'and had to mix with other teenagers.' | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
It was quite nervous, quite daunting. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
I was determined to do really well in my studies. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
'Christopher sat his maths GCSE exam when he was 16 years old | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
'and he achieved a grade C.' | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I felt very proud after completing my maths GCSE. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
My teacher suggested that I do English at GCSE level, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
as that is also very important. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
'Regardless of his learning disabilities, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
'Christopher buckled down and studied for an English GCSE, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
'which he went on to pass at his local college.' | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
There was one of the lessons where we had to search for opportunities. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Having broadened my interest in railways when I was at school with my friends, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
I wanted to consider a lifelong career in the railway industry. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
'Having grown up in London, Christopher was interested in the Underground network, | 0:13:55 | 0:14:01 | |
'so he visited Transport For London's website.' | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
There was an article about the London Underground | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
providing a work experience scheme | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
for people with learning disabilities. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
'The Steps Into Work scheme was a multi-agency partnership. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
'Although it didn't pay a wage, the year-long process combined | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
'work experience from Transport For London, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
'tutorials relating to the transport industry from the sixth form college | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
'and the expertise of a charity called Remploy, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
'who prepare people with disabilities for work.' | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
The typical barriers | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
that the candidates coming through to Remploy might have | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
are lacking confidence. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
They might have no work experience, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
so they don't know anything about employability. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
We would teach them things around employability skills, how to look for work. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
A lot of them might not have the social skills to be able to communicate, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
so we would teach them how to be within a group environment. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
'Christopher, who was 17, was determined to apply for the scheme | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
'that would give him a taste of working in the transport industry.' | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Having attempted to apply, I discovered that I was too young | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
at the time to do it. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
I had to wait one more year before I could reapply. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
'Not one to rest on his laurels, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
'Christopher then gained a BTEC in applied sciences, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
'but just before he turned 18, he reapplied for the scheme. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
I had a phone call from the Remploy worker | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
to say that I'd been offered a place on the Steps Into Work scheme. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
I was very happy that I got it afterwards. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
'There was a time when Christopher could barely socialise. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
'The scheme was helping him to manage his autism because on the second placement, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
'he was having to deal with busy commuters on a daily basis.' | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
I think there are real challenges in mainstream workplaces | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
for people on the autistic spectrum. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Some of the difficulties that people have in social interaction | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
and in communication may put barriers in the way. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
'Christopher faced similar problems when the course started.' | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
At first, when Christopher joined us, he was lacking confidence | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
and struggled to interact within the group environment. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
One of the things we did at first was to put him into more of an administrative role | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
where it wasn't too customer-facing, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
he was able to work with other staff and develop those skills. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
We realised that there was a vast improvement in his confidence, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
so then we put him forward for a placement as a customer service assistant. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
It really did make me feel like a different person altogether. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
To be in the workplace is kind of like a stepping stone, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
in terms of being more independent and taking more responsibility. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:53 | |
'Towards the end of the year, candidates were encouraged to think about life after the scheme.' | 0:16:53 | 0:17:00 | |
I wanted to gain a lot of independence | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
and be just like a normal adult would be. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
The Steps Into Work staff found the information | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
about the First Great Western apprenticeship scheme. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
As soon as I heard about it, I took immediate interest. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
'First Great Western are one of the UK's largest train operators. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
'Adrian Barrell works as a mentor to apprentices who join the company.' | 0:17:19 | 0:17:25 | |
Every 18 months, we take on a group of young people between 16 to 18. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
They get a varied insight of the rail industry. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
They do various job tasks so they get experience of different sides | 0:17:34 | 0:17:40 | |
and hopefully come out with a job. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
'With the Steps Into Work scheme on his CV, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
'Christopher applied for the apprenticeship.' | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
A few weeks later, I got a letter from First Great Western | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
to say that my application was successful | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
and that they were going to invite me to attend an assessment day | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
and interview at Paddington Station. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
'Christopher was now going for a mainstream apprenticeship open to everybody.' | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
I felt it was a really big step forward to take. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
A lot of people with disabilities probably wouldn't be able to cope with an apprenticeship scheme | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
because it involves a lot of expectations and responsibilities. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
'Christopher's autism made interview situations daunting and difficult, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
'but thankfully, the charity was on hand to give him help.' | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
We managed to get some other advisors to come and do a mock assessment with him | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
and have him in the room and doing the interview as it would be with First Great Western. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:43 | |
Just so he had that experience of meeting somebody he doesn't know | 0:18:43 | 0:18:49 | |
and having to sell himself and his skills. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
'Having prepared for the interview and armed with a stronger CV, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
'Christopher completed his assessment day at Paddington.' | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
They said that they would let me know later on in the day | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
and I had my phone with me for the whole time. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
I was determined to wait for that phone call. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
It was a very tense moment. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
'He had a long wait - five hours before getting the call from the assessment coordinator.' | 0:19:14 | 0:19:21 | |
Hello? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
'She told me that I did very well in the assessment' | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and they would like to offer me the apprenticeship. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
I was very pleased and I said, "Yes, deal me in." | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
It was mostly his passion and his drive to want to work in that sector | 0:19:32 | 0:19:39 | |
and want to work for the company that is what sold it the most. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
They didn't care about his disability and any of that. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
They were just really blown away with him as a person. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Christopher's hard work had paid off. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
With the programme's help, he got himself an 18-month apprenticeship. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
It was a fantastic result for Christopher | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and great news for his family. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
'So, what might the future hold for Christopher?' | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
There's no limit as to where he can go from now. He's got that foot in the door. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
He has now got the skills to be able to take it as far as he wants to go. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
'Not only is Christopher working and earning in an industry he's always dreamt of, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
'he's also much more socially interactive and confident. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
I am very grateful that the Steps Into Work staff | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
have put a lot of effort to help me get to where I am now. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
I believe I've found my place in life. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
I would certainly consider staying within the railway long term. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
So, not only is Christopher well on his way to a career, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
he's also studying at the same time. There's no holding him back. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
'Time now to revisit the very small number of scroungers | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
'who are stealing from the public purse. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
'NHS Protect fraud investigator Liz Wood is pursuing... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
'These dentists worked at a practice in Leicestershire, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
'where they found a loophole in the system | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
'allowing them to combine private and NHS jobs to make more money. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
'On top of this, they were suspected of conning their patients, too.' | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
Patients were told | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
that they needed private work, that the work that they needed | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
was not available on the NHS. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
That was a lie. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Other patients were told that the work they were having was being provided by the NHS, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
but that it was going to cost way more than the NHS fee. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
And they believed their dentist. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
'Liz and her team had strong evidence implicating both dentists of fraud. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
'New information came in to suggest that time was of the essence.' | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
We had to move very quickly in the case of Werner Muller, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
because we discovered that he was about to move back to South Africa - he is South African by birth. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
'The team quickly turned around a raid of Muller's home, arrested him | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
'and confiscated his passport. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
'More documents were seized and they found copies | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
'of NHS policy on dentistry contracts, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
'which Muller had been studying.' | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
He had all this paperwork that he'd been through, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
he'd underlined it, he highlighted things. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
He'd been through every inch of every bit of paper published | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
about the contract. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
That was really significant because we could prove that he could not say | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
he didn't know what he was doing, that it was a big mistake. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
'It was enough evidence to bring in Muller for an interview. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
'He'd claimed he'd misunderstood the NHS contract | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
'and thought what he was doing was OK. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
'Throughout the interview, he stressed his innocence in English. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
'The team planned to question him six months later | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
'in April 2008, when his bail came to an end. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
'This time he wanted help in being understood.' | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
He suddenly said that he needed an Afrikaans interpreter. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
There are only two Afrikaans interpreters in the country, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
so it took us for ever to arrange the second interview properly. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
I think he asked for the Afrikaans interpreter | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
because he regretted some of the things he told us during the first interview. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
Also, having an interpreter can slow things down. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
'Meanwhile, Atkinson also claimed his innocence | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
'and said he had no idea he'd been breaking a law. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
'He was invited to a police station, where he was arrested.' | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
We were told that John Atkinson had been the person | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
behind the original scam by Werner Muller, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
that it was him that dreamt up the two courses of treatment lark. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
'Regardless of whose idea it was, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
'both Muller and Atkinson were charged with fraud.' | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
The difference between John Atkinson and Werner Muller | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
was that John Atkinson genuinely cared about doing a good job. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
He did provide high-quality restorations. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
He may have been ripping off the NHS, but he did do good dentistry. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
Whereas Werner Muller really didn't care that much | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
and was quite happy to charge an awful lot of money | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
for something that was quite cheap. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
'Both men were bailed and while the court date was scheduled, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
'NHS Protect began accounting for every piece of dodgy dentistry.' | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
Dental fraud's a bit odd in that you get lots of small amounts of money. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
The fraud in each individual patient's case might be only £60. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
What we have to do at court is roll it up into one huge charge, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
add all these things together to get the actual loss to the NHS, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
which could well run into thousands and thousands of pounds. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
'That was exactly the case with Muller and Atkinson. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
'The team calculated that over a one and a half year period, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
'Werner Muller fraudulently claimed he'd completed | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
'just over £26,000 worth of NHS dental work that he hadn't. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
'And John Atkinson, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
'well, he stole almost 21,000 from the National Health Service. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
'At Leicester Crown Court in June 2012, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
'both men pleaded not guilty to... | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
'But what would the jury say?' | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
In court, they were found guilty, both of them, of all charges. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Which was deeply satisfying! | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
'On 9 August 2012, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
'the dentists found out their punishment.' | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
They were both sentenced to... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Although the sentence is suspended, it is regarded as a term of imprisonment for legal purposes. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
They were sentenced to one year's imprisonment. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
'It was a big win for the NHS Protect team.' | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
You got a conviction and there's a sentence. Are you happy with that? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
I'm really pleased that the work the investigators did was so good | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
that they were able to get that to a court, present it to a jury | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
and get that point home that these people had defrauded the NHS. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
It's tough because it's a complicated case, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
but they did an excellent job and the people were found guilty. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
'The fraud investigators still felt the job wasn't over. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
'They take their duty very seriously.' | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
It's important to stop this and NHS Protect is there to do that, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
because this is stuff that affects real people. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
It affects ME and it affects everybody out there who's an NHS patient of any sort. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
This is our money and we need to stop it. It's our NHS. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
'The team took action and applied for a confiscation order | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
'through the Proceeds Of Crime Act. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
'NHS Protect's goal was to claw back some of Muller and Atkinson's crime-tainted cash | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
'and inject it back into the National Health Service.' | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
In terms of the money that they took, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
we have managed to get confiscation orders. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
On 3 May 2013, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Werner Muller was ordered to repay just over £26,000 within six months | 0:27:18 | 0:27:24 | |
or face a 12-month prison sentence. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
Werner Muller, unfortunately, has skipped off to South Africa, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
taking his substantial assets. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Although we're trying to get the money back, we're not 100% certain we're going to be successful. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
'How did things work out for his accomplice?' | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
John Atkinson was actually bankrupt. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
He has been bankrupted twice and he doesn't have anything. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
We got a £1 confiscation order against him, which I understand has been paid. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
'What about Muller and Atkinson as professionals? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
'Will they be putting on their masks and white coats any time soon?' | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Neither of the two men can practise as a dentist in this country. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Not private, not NHS. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
For Muller and Atkinson, it was good while it lasted, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
but for the pair of dodgy dentists, they discovered | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
if you put profits before patients, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
the NHS will want to bite back. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 |