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This is BBC One. We are now returning to the newsroom. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Disaster struck suddenly this morning | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
at the small Welsh coal-mining village of Aberfan | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
near Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
On the morning of the 21st October, 1966, in the village of Aberfan | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
in South Wales, 116 children and 28 adults lost their lives. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
At 20 minutes past nine this morning, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
a huge coal tip bearing some 40-odd thousand tonnes of coal moved. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
Thousands upon thousands of tonnes of piled up coal waste, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
soaked by rain, suddenly slumped down in an oozing mass | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
on the Pantglas Junior School and a row of nearby houses. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Several classrooms were completely buried | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
under a mound of rubble 50-60 feet high. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
The mix of rage and grief brought demands for urgent answers. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:50 | |
How did it happen? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
And who was to blame? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Within a few weeks, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
as people struggled to take in the enormity of what had happened, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
an official inquiry was established and started to take evidence. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
But would the truth emerge? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Would the families of Aberfan get the answers they sought? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
Would this shattered community get the justice it deserved? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
The justice we did not have, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
and, for everything that came to us after that was good, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
we had to fight for. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
What would a child make of it? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
What happened here at Aberfan was one of the biggest disasters | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
in the modern history of Wales and, indeed, the United Kingdom. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
For 76 days, the tribunal questioned and challenged | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and investigated and, within months, had presented its conclusions. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
It was just the start of a long, angry, bitter campaign, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
a fight for justice. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
Aberfan, a small village in the valleys of South Wales, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
is surrounded by green hills today, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
as it was in the days before coal-mining came | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
and changed everything in the 19th century. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
50 years ago, the landscape was very different. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
There were dark mountains of coal waste, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
in seven enormous tips that towered over the village. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
On 21st of October, 1966, the history of Aberfan changed forever | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
when one of those tips came crashing down. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
In five decades of remembrance, the focus, quite rightly, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
has been on the immense loss that was suffered on that day, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
and the lasting pain that it caused. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
But 50 years on, the people of Aberfan are surely entitled | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
to revisit some of the toughest questions of all. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Could this disaster have been prevented? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Who was principally to blame? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
And why did it take so long to get at the truth, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
and to get a sense of justice? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
The disaster brought an army of rescuers and reporters | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
to the village, but one man was notably absent. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Lord Robens, Alf Robens, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
the chairman of the National Coal Board, the NCB. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
That was the state-owned body which ran the coal industry. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
He was nowhere to be seen. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Within minutes of the disaster, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
there were hundreds of local miners and workers on the scene. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
The tips above Aberfan contained waste | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
from the local colliery Merthyr Vale, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
one of over 1,000 mines taken into public ownership | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
when the National Coal Board had been created in 1947. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
The NCB's boss, Lord Robens, was due to be installed | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
as Chancellor of the University of Surrey on the day of the disaster. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
And he would not be diverted from travelling to Guildford | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
to perform his duties in cap and gown. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
I am not an engineer. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
I am not a person who could take charge of rescue operations, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
so I dispatched the best man in my industry, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
that is the chief mining engineer, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
to ensure that everything possible is done in a physical way | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
to rescue people. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
In fact, it would take Lord Robens the best part of two days | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
to make the journey to Aberfan to see the chaos with his own eyes. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
When he arrived in Aberfan, and the rescue operation was turning into | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
an operation to recover bodies, Lord Robens was busy giving interviews | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
to the press and media, and he was asked a very direct question. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
Was it possible to know that the tip had been dangerous | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
before the disaster? His answer was very clear. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
He said it was impossible to know | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
that there was a spring in the heart of this tip, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
"turning the mountain to slush" - his words. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
And that was the broad answer that he gave to lots of journalists. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
What has happened here is that there has been an underground spring, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
which has now been uncovered. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
We have our normal procedures for ensuring that pits are safe, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
but I'm bound to say that we have no procedure that tells us | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
that there is a spring deep down under a mountain, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
because that spring must've been covered up 30, 40, or 50 years ago | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
when the first debris was put upon it. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
That claim, that no-one knew about the springs on the mountain, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
was met with utter disbelief among many local people. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Mr Owens, yesterday, it was announced that these springs | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
-had just been discovered. Is this news to you? -No. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
No, there have always been springs. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
I've jumped over them all my life up... Well, I'm 56 years old now. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
There were lots of claims that the disaster at Aberfan | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
was unforeseeable - there had been no warning signs. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Well, let's be polite and say that that wasn't true. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Let's take one example, one of several. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
In January of 1965, two mothers of children at Pantglas School | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
presented a petition to the headmistress. Why? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Well, they were fed up with the flooding. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
This area that we see today was flooded frequently. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
They'd bring the children down this road, across the way, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and up to the school, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
which was just beyond where the community centre is today. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
The drains were frequently blocked by the slurry that kept coming | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
down the mountainside from that Number 7 Tip. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Those mothers knew there was a problem. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
It wasn't just inconvenient, it was dangerous. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Tragically, no-one listened to them. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Quite a lot of people were complaining to the headmistress | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
and there was one lady in Aberfan Road, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
who was a teacher for years, and she was always telling | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
the council that something was going to happen one day, but... | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
her warnings were ignored. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
What we were concerned with was the water coming down from the tip | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
that was flooding the main road. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
It was that which prompted us to protest about it. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
So what happened to that petition? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Well, within days, it was presented by the headmistress | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
to the local authority, and then nothing happened. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Both mothers would go on to lose a child in the disaster. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
The headmistress lost her life in the disaster. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
And, in many ways, the image of the three women | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
is a powerful symbol of the missed opportunities at Aberfan. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
There was another. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
In January of 1964, local councillor Gwyneth Williams had warned | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
that, if the tip moved, the entire school would be threatened. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Another warning ignored. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
She brought it up at every meeting she went to, as any other business. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
But she would bring it up. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
And there was very little notice taken of it, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
of her complaint. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
A few days after the disaster, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
there was growing public unease about these disregarded warnings. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
But the government of the day did take some prompt action. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
The weekend after the disaster, the Labour government | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
under Harold Wilson announced an official inquiry. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Now, the choice of chairman | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
would be crucial to the credibility of the inquiry. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
There were people here already wondering | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
whether the full truth would come out. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
The choice of chairman was a very interesting one. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
A senior judge, a Welsh man, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
and someone who knew this area very well. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Well, I should hate to think that anybody would connect me | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
with any whitewashing exercise. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
I should decline to have anything to do with an inquiry | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
which was motivated by considerations of whitewashing. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
You have to visit this school in Mountain Ash, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
which is just across the mountain from Aberfan, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
to get a real sense of the presence and the strength of character | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
of this man - Edmund Davies. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
This is the bronze bust that he unveiled | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
while he was working on the inquiry. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Yes, he was one of the most famous judges of the time. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
He handed down those tough sentences to the Great Train Robbers. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
But he was also a son of the valleys. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
He knew these mining communities intimately. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
And, for all of those reasons, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
he was the perfect choice to chair the tribunal. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Edmund Davies was only too aware of the intense emotions at Aberfan. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
There had been an eruption of anger at the Coroner's Court | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
before the inquiry had started, with shouts of "murderers", | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
and a demand from one father that the words, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
"Buried alive by the National Coal Board" | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
be written on his child's death certificate. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
All the parents were traumatised, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:47 | |
but at least we knew something was going on to find out | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
what caused the disaster, and that's all we were concerned about - | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
that they would find out the cause. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
The families were concerned that it was going to be | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
a fight to get the whole truth. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
A fight against the National Coal Board, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
one of the biggest employers in South Wales, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
which also did business with many Welsh lawyers. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
So the families of Aberfan looked beyond Wales | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
for a barrister with no links to the National Coal Board. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Desmond Ackner, at that time, was one of the leading, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
if not THE leading, common law silk in the country, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and he had a particular reputation | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
as an extremely able and fearless cross-examiner. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
Ackner has said that he regarded his whole task as an attempt | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
to push the blame up, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
while the National Coal Board was attempting to push it down. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
He was quite clear that | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
the strategy of the Coal Board was to blame - the guys who were | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
actually tipping the slurry on top of Tip Number 7. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Ackner wanted to do, of course, the exact reverse, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
and to ensure that blame lay no lower than the middle management, | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
and, ideally, that it should be pushed up as high as possible. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
The tribunal employed Tasker Watkins QC to be its counsel. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
He would be the one calling and questioning witnesses. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
The inquiry's task was daunting in scale, and fraught with difficulty. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
The main suspect was the Coal Board. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Many of those giving evidence were tip and colliery workers | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
who lived locally. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
The inquiry took evidence, not in Aberfan, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
but here in Merthyr Tydfil, at the technical college. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
The building's changed a bit today. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
And it was a remarkable achievement, because the inquiry got underway | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
just over a month after the disaster happened. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
And, in those early stages, the media scrutiny was intense, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
and no wonder, because the name of Aberfan | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
was resonating throughout the world. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
There were four points which the inquiry would be looking into. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
First of all, what happened at Aberfan? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Why did it happen? Need it have happened? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Was it a calamity | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
which no reasonable foresight could have presented, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
or was it caused by blameworthy conduct | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
on the part of some person or organisation? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Over five months, the tribunal would hear 2½ million words of evidence. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
There were no cameras allowed inside to record what went on, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
so, for the first time in half a century, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
the words of key witnesses have been brought to life. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
On the opening day, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
the tribunal heard a terrible catalogue of failure. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
The natural springs on the mountain were to be seen clearly on maps, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
and the many disregarded warnings were listed. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
It seemed to be an open-and-shut case. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
But when the counsel for the Coal Board got to his feet, Philip Wien, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
it soon became apparent that this wasn't going to be straightforward. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
May it please Your Lordship, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
the National Coal Board is gravely anxious, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
and certainly as anxious as anyone, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
to establish beyond question the cause of the disaster, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and to learn the lessons that can be learned | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
from what happened at Aberfan. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
The board's view is that the disaster was due | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
to a coincidence of a set of geological factors, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
each of which in itself is not exceptional, but which | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
collectively created a particular critical geological environment. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
The prime cause of the disaster is therefore geological. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
At the very beginning, the Coal Board's case repeated the claim made | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
by Lord Robens, that the disaster could not have been foreseen. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
But their case then changed. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
Their new argument was that | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
the special geology of Aberfan had been to blame. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
There was a growing unease that the National Coal Board | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
was doing its best to hide the truth. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
The early days of the inquiry were taken up hearing evidence | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
from eyewitnesses, describing what had happened on the day itself. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
But then they moved on to question some of those who had been working | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
on Tip Number 7 in the years before the disaster. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
And the most senior of them was the charge hand, Leslie Davies, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
and he was questioned by the counsel to the inquiry, Tasker Watkins, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
who wanted to know how much of a focus there'd been on tip safety. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
Has anybody in the last nine years, Mr Davies, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
ever asked you for your views about the safety of Tip Number 7? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Nobody, sir. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
Has anybody ever asked you to make a report | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
on the safety of Tip Number 7? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
No, sir. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
Can you remember if the tip went over streams or springs? | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
Did you actually notice a spring a spring upon the land over | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
-which the tip spread? -Yes, sir. -Was that where the children had a pond? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
Yes, sir. They had a pond there. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
And did small children bathe and paddle in the pond? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Had anybody ever warned you that it was dangerous to tip over a spring? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Nobody ever warned me, sir. My own experience, I knew | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
it was dangerous to tip over any water. That's common sense, sir. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
Then I must ask you why you went on tipping over streams and a spring? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
That had nothing at all to do with me, sir. I just take orders. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
I'm just a working charge hand, I'm not an official at the colliery. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
On Merthyr mountain today, there is very little evidence | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
of what was here 50 years ago, apart from this kind of landscaping | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
that took place when they cleared the tips. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Half a century ago, it was dangerous to be up here. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Indeed, three years before the disaster of '66, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
there was another slide above Aberfan. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
It didn't quite reach the village, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
but Desmond Ackner wanted to know what action had been taken them. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
Despite the slip in 1963, there have been no changes in the instructions | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
-which you were expected to carry out? -No, sir. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Did anyone ever tell you you should stop tipping at Tip Number 7 | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
after the 1963 slide? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
-No, sir. -You continued to carry out your daily work of superintending | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
-and assisting with the tipping at the top of tip seven? -Yes, sir. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Filling up the hole which had emptied itself out into the valley? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
-Yes, sir. -Tipping on the same face as had itself failed? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
In his second day of evidence, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
a National Coal Board charge hand, Leslie Davies, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
said that he and other workmen covered up, with Tip Number 7, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
streams and a mountain spring. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
In the three months before the disaster, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Tip Number 7 had sunk more than at any time in his experience. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
The on-the-ground people thought, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
"Oh, well, it's dropped a bit. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
"That means there's more space at the top to continue | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
"to tip colliery rubbish, and so it's a blessing in disguise." | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
They completely failed to see the correct signs, and then, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
as part of the Coal Board cover-up at the tribunal, um, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
witnesses spent time denying that the 1963 slide had even happened. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
Two days later, and after some more devastating evidence | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
from members of the tip gang about the existence of a stream | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
or spring on the mountain, the chairman, Edmund Davies, intervened. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
With such overwhelming evidence that the existence of water | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
was common knowledge among the mining community, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Philip Wien was asked a direct question. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
I'm going to get this quite clear before this tribunal continues. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
Is it, or is it not accepted by the National Coal Board, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
that the land upon which material was tipped in the course of | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
forming Tip Number 7 was land which, to the eye of the beholder, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
contained active watercourses, or an active watercourse? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
May I say that it is not my position | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
for the Coal Board to concede anything before a tribunal which is | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
enquiring into these matters. We seek to elicit the truth. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
And this tribunal, as I understand it, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
does not approach matters on the basis of concessions by anybody. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
There are no admissions that can be made, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and no concessions can be made. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
The Coal Board's clear statement that they were not going to admit | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
any kind of responsibility for the disaster | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
infuriated many of the families. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
We will adjourn now. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
The Christmas break brought one chapter to an end | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
and, in the New Year, the Coal Board's middle and senior management | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
would be cross examined, but in that winter of 1966, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
the board managed to create MORE tension with the local community. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
So what happened to all those people who'd lost their homes? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Well, some of them were settled in this field just below me here. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
The National Coal Board installed 37 caravans down there. And guess what? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Within weeks, they'd presented the local authority with | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
a bill for the rental of those caravans. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
And on top of that, they insisted that the caravans be insured | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
and that they be returned in the original condition. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
In other words, another financial burden for the local authority, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
which was already overstretched. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
One local councillor said it proved that the NCB was | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
a hard and heartless organisation. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
The decision was eventually overturned, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
but once again, people were questioning | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
whether the Coal Board was behaving in an honourable way. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
Mrs Davies, what's your first reaction | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
on moving into the caravans here? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
It's wet, you know, the rain must be coming in and, er... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
we're just finding nothing, nothing to, er, to use. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
After the Christmas break, the tribunal reconvened and started | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
to take evidence from more senior workers at the National Coal Board, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
not just the men working on the tips. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
And the first of those was Vivian Thomas. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
He was the mechanical engineer at Merthyr Vale colliery. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
He was responsible for the coal tips | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
and, questioned by the Coal Board Council, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
would he maintain the NCB claim that no water was visible | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
when the location for Tip Number 7 was chosen? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
At that time, what was the water that you were aware of? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
As far as I can recollect, sir, there was water coming out of | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
the end of Tip 2 and water coming out of the slide of Tip 4, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
just lower down, where we were going to tip, opposite Number 2. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Was that water, at the time, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
in the way of anything that was proposed to tip on Tip 7? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
-No, sir. -How can you answer that question? How can you say that? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
Earlier, you told us there had been no decision | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
as to how far the tipping of Tip Number 7 was to go. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
Well, as far as I was concerned, Tip 7 could go to the boundary. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
-COULD go to the boundary? -Yes, sir. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Yes, and suppose it went to the boundary, are you saying that | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-it would go over none of the water of which you are speaking? -No. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
I don't think so, sir. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Thomas's evidence was vital to the NCB's claim | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
that the disaster had been unforeseeable. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
But it contradicted earlier evidence about the presence of water | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
where Tip Number 7 was created. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Deciding the truth of this matter was one of the biggest challenges | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
for the tribunal, and Thomas faced days of questioning. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
The office occupied by Vivian Thomas was based here. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
This is the site of the old Merthyr Vale colliery. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
We're at the bottom end of the Taff Valley. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Now, there was a tram system, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
which took the coal waste away from the colliery, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
over the river and then high onto the mountainsides opposite, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
and the tips would then tower over the valley. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
In many ways, the tips themselves seemed rather distant | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
from the day-to-day life of the colliery itself. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
Vivian Thomas had little knowledge of the workings of the tips, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
and it would seem he had very little contact or guidance from local | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
and National Coal Board managers. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Did anyone have a discussion with you | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
about your responsibility for these tips? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Not as far as the tips, sir, but as far as the mechanical side, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
-it was my responsibility. -Yes, but did anyone come - | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
The manager? The group mechanical engineer? - | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
come to you and explain your duties | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
-in relation to the responsibilities for the tips? -No, sir. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Were you provided, in that office, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
-with any ordnance survey map of the mountain? -No, sir. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Until this inquiry began, had you ever studied | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
-an ordnance survey map of the mountain? -No, sir. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Do you think it would have been any good had you had one? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
I think I can read an ordnance survey map. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
-It tell things to you, does it? -Yes, sir. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
So that, if you HAD been provided with one, for instance, you could've | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
identified from that the situation of streams upon the mountain? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
The evidence was conclusive - | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Vivian Thomas had received no guidance from senior management | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
and the warnings from previous tip slides had been ignored. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
One event in 1939, only a few miles from Aberfan, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
proved that these slides were not isolated incidents. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
At one time, these valleys of South Wales | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
were dotted with towering coal tips. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
And the one behind me, on the outskirts of Cilfynydd, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
in December, '39, slid 400 metres into the valley below. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
It caused huge damage. It's still difficult to believe | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
that no-one was killed or injured when it happened. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
180,000 tonnes of waste thundering down into the valley below. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
It even changed the course of the River Taff. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Damage on a huge scale! | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
And the mine owners, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
because the mines were privately owned then, were terrified. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
So they issued new guidelines for tipping safely. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
And they included those guidelines in a memo. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
And that memo was called the Powell Memo. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
And, when the National Coal Board came into existence in 1947, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
that memo was passed on to them. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
If the advice in the Powell Memo had been carried out by the Coal Board | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
when it was created, then Aberfan would never have happened. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
The memo laid down strict rules about not tipping over water, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
the dangers of tipping on steep hillsides and even gave | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
maximum heights for tips on land such as that found in Aberfan. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
The Powell Memo now took centrestage at the Aberfan Tribunal. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
A senior NCB official in the local area, David Lewis Roberts, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
had responsibility for the tips at Aberfan and the neighbouring mines. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Roberts knew of the Powell Memo and the dangers of tip slides, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
after seeing the damage at Cilfynydd with his own eyes. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
You could see, without any difficulty, could you, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
that the colliery waste had gone from the tip | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
a very considerable distance, right across the road, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
through the canal, down into the River Taff, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
where it destroyed the course of the river at that point? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
Yes, sir, that's correct. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
From that time onwards, Mr Roberts, you needed no instruction | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
in the effect of a slide from a colliery tip, did you? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
No, sir. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
Roberts had not only witnessed the Cilfynydd slide, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
but he was also aware of a far more recent incident. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
We're a few miles from Cilfynydd. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
We're on the road that leads up to the Rhondda valleys | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and we have one of the last pit wheels in South Wales. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
This is Ty Mawr and this is where, on 29th of March 1965, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:40 | |
some 18 months before the Aberfan disaster, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
that there was another incident which rang alarm bells. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
A load of waste came off the coal tip, causing a lot of damage | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
on the railway line, on the road, on the river. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Had it happened at a different time of day, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
people would've been killed and there was also the alarming prospect | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
that the slurry could've gone down the mine shaft. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
So, the divisional chief engineer decided to react, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
and he remembered that a memo had been written some years ago, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
after the Cilfynydd incident, and he went in search of the Powell Memo. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
So, what happened to that document? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Well, it was sent out to all the engineers in the area, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
with an instruction that the senior coal board engineers should | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
cooperate with their colleagues, check on the safety of the tips | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
and then report back as soon as possible. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
In Aberfan, that work fell to David Lewis Roberts | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
and his civil engineer colleague, Robert Exley. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
The trouble is that neither man followed the instructions. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
Roberts produced a very superficial report. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
Exley did even less. They didn't cooperate with each other. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
It was, to put it very mildly, an inadequate response. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Tasker Watkins, counsel for the tribunal, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
questioned Roberts about the way he'd reacted to the Powell Memo. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Will you look at Bundle 4, please? | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Where Mr Powell, the divisional chief engineer stated, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
"I should be pleased, therefore, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
"if you would arrange with your colleagues | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
"for a detailed examination of every tip." | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
"With your colleagues." | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
Why did you not carry out the terms of that letter? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
In as much as Mr Exley had a copy of this letter, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
I understood that he would do a separate and independent report, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
as well as I would. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Why did you not get in touch with him | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
and say, "Here is the Powell letter. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
"We have got to get together"? Why did you not? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
I took it the other way round, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
that he would make an independent report and Mr Powell would have | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
two reports - one from me and one from him. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Mr Tasker Watkins, with a civil engineer and a mechanical engineer, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
unless you're going to have joint report | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
or have some joint discussion, how are you going to avoid | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
the possibility of returning two different types of report? | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
You follow what My Lord has said, do you not, Mr Roberts? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
Two different reports might have gone into Mr Powell, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
had you not got together about it. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
That would be thoroughly undesirable, would it not? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
I don't know. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
I don't know what was at the back of Mr Powell's mind, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
whether he would want it that way or not. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Mr Tasker Watkins, again, you will return to the phrase, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
"If you would arrange with your colleagues." | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Yes, My lord. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
What arrangements had you made with your colleagues, Mr Roberts? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:42 | |
None, sir. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
Then do you now agree that | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
you ignored one of the most important parts of that letter? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
I ignored a part of the letter, yes, sir. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
Roberts had written his brief report without consulting his colleague. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
Exley, on the other hand, hadn't produced a report at all. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
'Most people who were brought to the stand seemed to...' | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
think it was somebody else's fault. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
Not theirs at all. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:14 | |
'But the judge, thank goodness, did not believe them.' | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
On the third day of Roberts' evidence, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
it still wasn't clear why he hadn't approached his colleague, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
Robert Exley, a trained civil engineer with a superior knowledge | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
of soil mechanics and all the technicalities involved. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Why hadn't he asked him to work with him on the tip inspection? | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
Once again, Edmund Davies, the tribunal chair, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
was forced to intervene. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
You and Mr Exley were on quite good times, were you? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
-Reasonably good terms, I'd say, My Lord. -We must not mince matters. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
When you say "reasonable", why do you qualify it in that way? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
We would talk together, but we'd fall out quite a lot | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
on various jobs that were being done. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Yes, each member of the tribunal | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
has had that in the back of his mind in the past two days. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
There was some kind of estranged relations between you and Mr Exley? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
I wouldn't like to emphasise too much on that, but... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
I would say yes, My Lord. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
A clash of personalities was responsible | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
for a completely inadequate response to the Powell Memo, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
and another missed opportunity to spot the menace at Aberfan. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
'I went to the tribunal,' | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
and it just happened to be Sharon's birthday, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
the little girl that I lost in the disaster. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
And what I heard there was very difficult for me to accept. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
One of the engineers, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
he didn't seem to realise his dreadful part in this. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
And when I heard what he had to say... | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
..it made me feel sick. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
There was this man who had caused so much damage to people in Aberfan. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
It takes a man to admit when he's wrong... | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
..and I thought he was less of a man. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
There is another revealing dimensional | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
to David Roberts' involvement in the story of Aberfan | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
and, to find out more, you need to come here, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
to the public library at Dowlais on the outskirts of Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
Now, this is a collection of letters handed over to the inquiry | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
and I have to say that reading them is a rather sobering experience. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
The title of the collection says it all. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
"Danger From Coal Slurry Being Tipped | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
"At The Rear Of The Pantglas Schools." | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
It's a long list of concerns from council officials sent | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
to the National Coal Board. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
The man there responsible, as we know, was David Roberts. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
He clearly didn't take much of this seriously. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
He didn't forward these letters to his superiors. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
So, listen to this one line from the borough engineer at Merthyr Tydfil. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
"You are no doubt well aware," he says to David Roberts, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
"that the tips at Merthyr Vale tower above the Pantglas Area, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
"and, if they were to move, a very serious position would accrue." | 0:32:09 | 0:32:16 | |
Well, David Roberts' response to all of this was to say | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
everything was under control. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
He thought that people like the borough engineers of Merthyr, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
who had raised the complaint, or the elected councillors who had | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
raised a complaint, or pit workers, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
that these people did not know what they were doing and that he did. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
That attitude might have been fine if he had actually | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
done the inspections which he was required to do | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
and/or if he'd actually reported the results up the line. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
But sadly, neither of those things happened. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Mr Exley, you have been giving evidence... | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
At the tribunal, David Roberts' colleague, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
the civil engineer Robert Exley, was asked what would have happened | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
if he'd followed the instructions to inspect the tips | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
and examine them in accordance with the Powell Memo. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
If you had carried out a detailed examination of Tip Number 7, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
on the basis of what was stated in the memorandum, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
you'd have been obliged to condemn it out of hand. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
-Is that a question, sir? -It certainly is. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
I do not think that necessarily follows, sir. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Just have the memorandum before you, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:16 | |
and see if you can find one thing to be said in the favour of | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
the continued existence of this tip, if the memorandum's applied to it. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
Every precaution in relation to Tip Number 7 | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
you now know is lacking, is it not? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
I do not think that anyone would've thought at that time | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
that there was a possibility of the tip sliding as far as it did. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
If you had carried out a detailed examination, you would've been able | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
to have established quite simply that the precautions were lacking. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
-Probably, yes, sir. -CERTAINLY, Mr Exley. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
Do yourself some justice and bear in mind the length | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
of your qualifications, and the extent of your professional skill. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
With certainty, would you not? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
Yes, I think so, with some investigation. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
The clear failure of both Exley and Roberts was damning enough, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
but the coal board continued to argue that disaster | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
could not have been foreseen. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
On St David's Day, 1967, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
the most senior NCB official appeared at the tribunal. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
He was William Sheppard, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
the director of production, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:19 | |
and, very soon, the defence was crumbling. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
Looking back, was there anything to prevent | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
a reasonable person from envisaging the slide going down | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
that one-in-four gradient for a substantial distance? | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
-In London, my lord, at headquarters? -Yes. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
-We had not the information of Abercynon, Cilfynydd or Tip 4. -No. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:47 | |
Let me be quite clear about what the question you're being asked is. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
There was, surely, sufficient known about the potential of tips | 0:34:51 | 0:34:58 | |
on inclined surfaces to slide, was there not? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
Not as far as I'm concerned, My Lord. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
Sheppard denied all knowledge of the past incidents in Wales. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
The lack of any notion, at a senior level, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
about the dangers of tips was startling. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
'I regard Mr Sheppard's evidence as' | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
showing that he is actually more blameworthy | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
than, down the line, Mr Roberts or Mr Exley, because, um, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
here is the person in charge of the ship | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
who has not the slightest idea of what is going on, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
but nevertheless, we know from other documents that Mr Sheppard | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
was an active part of deciding what the coal board's line would be. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
While the tribunal continued its work, the families in Aberfan were | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
still living in the shadow of the coal tips | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
that had killed 144 people. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
Their removal was something the community demanded, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
and it was at this point in 1967 | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
that Lord Robens returned to the village. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
In the days after the disaster, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
there was some talk of removing the entire tip complex. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
And, then, as time went on, the talk turned to landscaping, not removing. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
The reason, of course, was cost. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
So, the mothers of Aberfan decided to demand a face-to-face meeting | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
with Lord Robens, the chairman of the National Coal Board. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
And that meeting took place here at the Aberfan Hotel. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
The topic to be discussed is whether or not the coal board is prepared | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
to completely remove the remaining seven tips here at Aberfan. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
It isn't a question of logic, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
of convincing people that the pit heap is safe. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
People who have suffered, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
as the womenfolk have suffered particularly, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
just do not accept this as a fact | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
and, therefore, no amount of argument will convince anybody. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
A petition was drawn up in the village, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
and presented to the Welsh Office in Cardiff, with 1,500 signatures, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
demanding the removal of all the tips at Aberfan. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
It was the first stage in a prolonged battle | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
that would last for years. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
Throughout the inquiry, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:02 | |
Desmond Ackner had been reminding the tribunal | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
of that rather odd statement made by Lord Robens at the outset | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
about the unknown, mystery spring under Tip Number 7. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
Not a single NCB official | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
had been able to support or explain that theory. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
In his closing speech to the Inquiry, Desmond Ackner was | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
brutally effective, criticising the coal board's original statement, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
and Lord Robens for not coming to the tribunal to explain himself. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
No explanation has been proffered by or on behalf of Lord Robens, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
and his absence from the tribunal, therefore, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
and in this regard, has been conspicuous. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
In a dramatic and unexpected move, a matter of days before the tribunal | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
was to end, Lord Robens offered to come and give evidence. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
So, would he now stand by his early claim that the disaster | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
could not have been foreseen? | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
When did you first learn that the causes of this disaster | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
were reasonably foreseeable? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Before the inquiry took place? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
I would say that I knew that the disaster would have been foreseeable | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
at that moment in time when I was on | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
the mountainside and realised... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Am I not answering the question to your satisfaction? | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
You were on the mountainside two days after the disaster. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
The day after. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
-Two days after. -What I'm asking you is this - | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
when did you first realise that the cause or causes of the disaster | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
-were reasonably foreseeable? -I must repeat. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
Only you were shaking your head, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
and I felt I was not giving the right answer to your question. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
When I was on the mountainside, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
and I saw the work that was being done to turn that water away | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
from the tip and to channel it, it was clear to me that, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
had there been experts about, to recognise that, on a mountainside, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
where there is always a lot of water, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
that this might have been a possibility. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
It came to me at that moment in time that, if we had in fact got this | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
in operation, this could be said to have been foreseeable. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
Finally, after relentless cross-examination, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
the head of the coal board had been forced to admit | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
that the disaster had been foreseeable. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
The National Coal Board's long-held public stance had now changed. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Had we realised that Lord Robens was saying something quite different, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
namely that it was indeed quite possible to know, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
by the use of available measures, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
that this disaster was impending and preventable, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
then Lord Robens would've been asked to make a statement many weeks ago. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
And I venture to think that weeks, if not months, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
of this inquiry would have been rendered unnecessary. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
The 76 days of tribunal could've been avoided if the coal board, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
on day one, had fessed up and said, "We made a mistake | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
"and we are very, very sorry, and it won't happen again, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
"and we will pay fair compensation to all of those affected." | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Then almost the whole tribunal could have been saved. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Until Lord Robens' appearance at the tribunal, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
the board's lawyers had privately been refusing to agree | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
to any claims for compensation from the people of Aberfan. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
Now that the chairman had finally admitted liability, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
those lawyers quietly changed their stance | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
and agreed to pay the legal minimum of just £500 for every child lost. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
Later, on the 70th day of the Inquiry, Desmond Ackner completed | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
his closing statement on behalf of the people of Aberfan | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
and, with his considerable power of argument, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
he demanded the undivided attention of everyone present. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
I merely wish to add this in conclusion. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
Those who died in this disaster lost their lives, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
not because of the occupational hazards | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
which are ever-present in these mining valleys - | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
there was no sudden collapse of an underground working, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
no unforeseeable or unforeseen explosion. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
This was a slow-growing, man-made menace, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
fed by the indifference of those | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
who should never have permitted its existence. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
That is the horror of this disaster. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
There can be no more bitter reminder of the truth and wisdom | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
of Bernard Shaw's condemnation. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
"The worst sin towards our fellows is not to hate them..." | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
"..it is to be indifferent to them. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
"For that is the essence... of inhumanity." | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Thank you, Mr Ackner. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
The people of Aberfan would have to wait another four months | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
for the official findings of the tribunal. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
On the 3rd of August, 1967, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
this little square in the middle of Aberfan was a hive of activity. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
It was publication day, and this is where the final tribunal report | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
was distributed to the villagers. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
And, for nine employees and former employees | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
of the National Coal Board, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
the conclusions of this report would be rather challenging. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
This was the moment the community hoped to get justice, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
that the true cause of the disaster be found, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
and those responsible be called to account. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
The conduct of the National Coal Board | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
throughout this process, was severely criticised, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
and the board was found to be | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
entirely responsible for the disaster. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
The main fault was judged to be a lack of clear guidance. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Nine individuals were also singled out for criticism, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
and these included key witnesses at the tribunal - | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
Vivian Thomas, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Robert Exley | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
and David Roberts. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
But no-one holding a senior position at the National Coal Board | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
was included in that list. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
The conclusions of this report are sometimes precise, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
sometimes less precise. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
So, for example, the National Coal Board is held to be responsible | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
for what happened, but no individual is directly blamed for the disaster. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:28 | |
Let me share some of the words with you, because they are instructive. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
"The Aberfan disaster is a terrifying tale | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
"of bungling ineptitude by many men charged with tasks | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
"for which they were totally unfitted, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
"of failure to heed clear warnings, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
"and of total lack of direction from above. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
"Not villains, but decent men, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
"led astray by foolishness or by ignorance, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
"or by both in combination, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
"are responsible for what happened at Aberfan." | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
And you may be wondering what happened | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
to the nine men who are named. Well, the answer is not much. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
They weren't disciplined, they weren't demoted, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
and they certainly weren't sacked. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
I think they should be instantly dismissed. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
I think they shouldn't be allowed to work for the coal board | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
under any circumstances at any job. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
Do you agree that it was simply bungling ineptitude... | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
-No. -..or a little more than this? -No, I think a little more than that. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
As I say, I think it was absolute neglect...throughout. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:30 | |
And, if it wasn't for neglect, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
I would have my little girl with me today. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
What would a child make of it? | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
That, although they were condemned, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
they were not punished. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
The tribunal report made a range of recommendations on how to ensure | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
the safety of coal tips, including the need for new legislation. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
And, soon, work began on the physical transformation | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
of the South Wales valleys, and other coal mining areas. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
But what of Lord Robens, the man who led the National Coal Board? | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
Would he offer to resign? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
And, if so, should his resignation be accepted? | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Lord Robens shouldn't be left the courtesy of resigning. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
I feel he should be sacked. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
Surely he knew all about these tips | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
and what was going on with the collieries. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
Other than that, he was accepting money under false pretences. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
You must've had a number of offers from industry, Lord Robens? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
Yes, indeed. Yes, yes, that's perfectly true. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
There's no difficulty about getting another job, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
and indeed getting another job at two or three times the money | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
that they pay me at the Coal Board, but money isn't important. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
He stormed into government offices and said, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
"I demand to see this report in advance." | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
He then did a tour of the coalfields, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
and this was quite clearly in an effort to make sure that the union, | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
the National Union of Mineworkers, was on his side. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
Robens portrayed himself, rather deftly, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
as the defender of the coal industry | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
in an age when nuclear power was gaining popularity. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
Robens received countless letters and telegrams of support from | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
across Britain, including the mining communities. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
He went to sell British coal in the United States, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
sailing on the Queen Mary. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
So that meant that, for ten days, nobody could get hold of him. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
And that was where Lord Robens presented not only his letter | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
of supposed resignation, but also the reply, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
which he wanted the minister, Richard Marsh, to make. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
With this kind of manoeuvring and powerful friends in the press, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
Robens was a difficult man to dislodge. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
The Labour government decided he could stay in the job, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
which he did, for several years. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
After which, his career took another rather surprising turn. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
The man who chaired the National Coal Board, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
the organisation responsible for 144 deaths here, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
went on to lead a review into health and safety at work. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
Yes, really. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:58 | |
Still present above Aberfan was a dark reminder of the disaster, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
and the sight of the tips caused endless anxiety. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
The Government claimed the tips were in a safe condition | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
and, behind-the-scenes, Lord Robens had made clear that the NCB | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
would not be paying for the tips to be cleared. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
But the villagers had other ideas, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
and they held a series of meetings to plan their campaign. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
There was no possibility of moving forward, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
of building a new future, unless those coal tips were removed. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:34 | |
And so, throughout 1967 and 1968, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
the Tip Removal Committee worked hard to try to get results. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
But it didn't work. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:42 | |
And this is the truth for you - | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
despite the appalling experience of Aberfan, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
there was very little sympathy in the heart of government for | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
the demands that were being made. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
We weren't interested in landscaping, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
we were interested in making the children feel safe again. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
And as long as the tips were there, they wouldn't feel safe. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:07 | |
Why should they? We felt afraid. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
This is the Aberfan Tip Removal Committee. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
Do not forget the meeting tonight. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
The Secretary of State for Wales was invited to attend, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
but has declined to accept. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
He has already gone on record as saying that the tips cannot | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
be completely removed for three reasons. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
A, it would take too long, B, it would cost too much, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
and C, two of the tips above the village are already on fire. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
By June of 1968, the members of the Tip Removal Committee | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
were at the end of their tether. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
So they sent a letter here to what was then the Welsh Office, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
the base of the most powerful politician in Wales, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
the Secretary of State, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
George Thomas, who was himself a proud son of the mining valleys. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
And they warned him very clearly that, if those coal tips | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
were not moved, they would take further action. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
We feel that it's time now for militant action. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
We can carry these tips manually to Cardiff, London or elsewhere | 0:48:58 | 0:49:03 | |
and dump them on their doorsteps. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:04 | |
On the 20th of July, 1968, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
a very important meeting took place here | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
at the Welsh Office in Cardiff. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
It was a kind of showdown between George Thomas, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
the Welsh Secretary, and the community leaders of Aberfan | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
and they were backed up by a big crowd of villagers gathered outside. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
They were all hopeful of a positive outcome. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
But when news came through that George Thomas wouldn't budge, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
the mood changed. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
We'd like them to come and live in Aberfan for a month, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
and hope that it would rain every day that they were there. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
'Without any planning, we just went in through the door | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
'and up the stairs.' | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
And people were saying, "Oh, don't come in here, don't, don't, DON'T." | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
We just did it. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
The villagers rushed into this building, they came up these stairs, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
and they brought with them a big bag of slurry, or waste, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
from the coal tips of Aberfan. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:02 | |
They threw some on the floor, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
they threw some on a conference table. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
They were demanding to see George Thomas, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
but George Thomas was nowhere to be seen. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
He was hiding somewhere in this building. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
The protesters refused to leave and, gradually, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
George Thomas realised that he wouldn't be able to avoid them. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
'He was told off in English and in Welsh | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
'and I said, "We'll remove it ourselves' | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
"bit by bit and send it to all you people." | 0:50:28 | 0:50:34 | |
But after the showdown in this building, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
George Thomas, quite possibly, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
was shamed into changing his mind and he announced a U-turn. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
There was jubilation in Aberfan, but what they hadn't realised was | 0:50:42 | 0:50:46 | |
that George had a trick up his sleeve. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
In the days following the disaster, a charitable fund was established | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
using donations that came in from around the world. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
It stood at £1.75 million, and this mountain of cash | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
was to prove too much of a temptation to the Labour government. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
Here was the Coal Board blankly refusing to pay, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
so the money had to come from somewhere else. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
Well, there was only one somewhere else. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
And then this kicked in to some feelings, which were clearly around | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
at the time, that the Disaster Fund was unmanageably vast, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
it wasn't going to bring back the children, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
so it was perfectly OK to use it for removing tips. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:30 | |
So let's be clear, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
because this is still difficult to understand, even today - | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
the Government wanted to take a quarter of a million pounds | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
from the Aberfan charity fund to help pay for the tip clearance. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
Later on, they reduced that to £150,000, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
which was still a huge sum at that time. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
The people of Aberfan complained to the Prime Minister, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
and they told him that they were being forced to choose | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
between clearing the past and building the future. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
And let's not forget, at the same time, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
the Government was happy to spend millions of pounds | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
redeveloping old industrial sites right across Wales. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
Those communities didn't have to pay | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
and they hadn't suffered like the people of Aberfan. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
What happened next was increasing political pressure | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
on the charity trustees. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
They're going to consider what they pay. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
Of course, they will pay what they can afford, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
but the scheme will depend on what they pay. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
The lawyers representing the families were convinced | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
it simply wasn't legal to use the money to clear the tips, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
but the trustees felt they had no choice. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
The question is, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:46 | |
why did the trustees hand over £150,000 to the government | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
when they'd already been advised that that request was unlawful? | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
Because, for us today, it doesn't make any sense. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
But there were several things going on. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Those trustees felt under immense pressure to make a decision. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
The Charity Commission, which should have been helping them | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
and supporting them, was nothing but trouble. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
And then, maybe more important than anything, | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
the trustees felt that, if they didn't hand over the money, well, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
the tips might never be cleared | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
and, in that sense, they felt they had no choice. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
We decided it was better to pay than leave them there. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:27 | |
We didn't have a choice. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
We did not have a choice. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
We had to... | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
..agree to it for the sake of the village. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
The work to clear the tip started in 1969. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
1.8 million cubic metres of waste was moved from the mountain | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
at a cost of £850,000 - | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
paid for by the government, the National Coal Board, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
and with money from the Disaster Fund. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
Despite the disappearance of a significant sum, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
the Disaster Fund was still used on other projects. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
A memorial garden was built on the Pantglas site. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
There was an education fund and plans to invest in the community. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
If you want visible evidence of the way Aberfan recovered gradually | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
after the disaster, well, this is it. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
This is the community centre which opened in March of 1973, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:23 | |
with the big hall for conferences and concerts | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
and a network of other rooms for sports and social events. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
But there was one piece of unfinished business - | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
that £150,000 missing from the charity fund, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:40 | |
and that was the government's fault. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
Not only was it completely unjust, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
it was also creating practical problems, not least for this place. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
And by the end of the 1980s, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
the community no longer had the funds to keep this place going. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
So they had to hand over control to the local council. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
Over time, the missing £150,000 | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
became a growing source of bitterness and resentment. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Aberfan's community leaders and political representatives | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
continued to argue for the return of the money, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
not least because funds were running out to care for the memorial garden | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
and the children's gravestones. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
In fact, it took three decades for change to come. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
In 1997, a New Labour government was elected with a very big majority. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
There was a new Welsh Secretary in residence in this building | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
and he was determined to right the wrongs of the past and, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
at the same time, some previously secret government documents | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
had been released in the public domain | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
and they shed new light on the conduct of Lord Robens, | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
the Charity Commission and indeed several Labour politicians | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
who'd had very little thought for the people of Aberfan. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
For me, it wasn't only returning the money, but it was a public apology | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
from the most senior politician that there was at a Welsh level. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
There was a public apology, and I was apologising for the actions | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
of one of my predecessors. I was saying, "That was wrong." | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
The return of the £150,000 to the Aberfan fund | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
was a very public statement | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
that this community had been badly treated. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
And then, a decade later, it was the Welsh government | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
that repaid a sum of money approaching the real value | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
of what had been taken from these people back in 1968. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
In 2007, it was decided that, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
taking interest and inflation into account, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
some £2 million should be repaid. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
An injustice had been done. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
Here we were now in a Welsh Assembly, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
the people of Wales who had elected us, they would expect us to | 0:56:41 | 0:56:46 | |
look seriously at how to remedy that historic injustice. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
So that this sort of stain on what had happened in the history | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
of Wales, really, could be put to one side | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
and a clear start could be made | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
in restoring the functions of the charities. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
So the charity could now pursue its original aims, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
with no concerns about the condition of the garden or the gravestones. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
When the money was returned properly, it felt to us... | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
..that justice had been served. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
But it did take a long time. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
And if we hadn't... | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
pressed for it... | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
..I don't think we would have had it. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
Decades of campaigning were at an end | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
and the victims of Aberfan - children and adults alike - | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
had finally been treated with the respect they deserved. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
The garden of remembrance here on the site of the old Pantglas School | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
is a haven of tranquillity today - | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
a place to reflect on the terrible events of 50 years ago. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
But also to reflect on the support given by | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
so many people to the local community. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
And I'm sitting on a bench dedicated to the memory of one of them - | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
Desmond Ackner, the barrister - | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
the man considered by many local families to be their great defender. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:08 | |
And this garden is a powerful symbol to the entire world of a community | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
shattered in terrible circumstances, which slowly, bravely rebuilt itself, | 0:58:13 | 0:58:19 | |
often against the odds, | 0:58:19 | 0:58:21 | |
but never give up on the fight for truth and for justice. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
And that, on this 50th anniversary, is the lasting message of Aberfan. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:30 |