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This programme contains some strong language and adult humour | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
Only three more drama club performances to go now. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I feel a mixture of feelings after ten days | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
of speaking three lines a night and trying to look intelligent, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
but I shall be very, very sad when it's over. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
I've heard that Crouch, who plays Clarence in the show, is at RADA. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
I'm wondering if I saved at least five shilling a week, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
if I could go in the remote future. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Of course, I have no idea how much the fees are, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
but if you want to make the stage your career, you must go to RADA. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
Oh! | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Oh! | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
CELL DOOR SLAMS SHUT | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
My father, who was a gardener, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
was reading the Daily Mirror | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
and he came upon this headline that said, "Gorilla amongst the Roses". | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
Of course, him being a gardener, automatically started to read it | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
and released that his son, John Kingsley Orton, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
had been arrested for the defacement of library books. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
1959, I started work in Essex Road Library in Islington. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
There were these two guys coming into the library all the time, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
and that was Joe Orton and Kenneth Halliwell. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Orton was friendly. Halliwell would just smile at you ironically. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
This is very much Britain in the early '60s. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Not a lot of people were very pleasant to a young black boy. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
I enjoyed talking to him, partly for that reason, | 0:02:54 | 0:03:00 | |
but there was actually nothing about him | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
which would have made you think, "Ah-ha! | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
"Here's someone who was going to deface library books." | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
UPBEAT INSTRUMENTAL | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
I realise it's unforgivable doing this. I'm just...unrepentant. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
The libraries have a tremendous amount of space for rubbish | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
written by the likes of Lady Dartmouth and her ilk, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
but not for good books, apparently. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
It's not a matter of personal taste. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
You can say when something is rubbish and something isn't. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Oh, John Betjeman, yes! This one, I remember. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Ah, that's lovely! | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Then they watched while people browsed the books | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
to see if their satire had the effect that they wanted, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
which was to shock and, in some way, create panic, almost. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:10 | |
It came to a head for me one morning when a woman came in. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
She slammed a book down and she said, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
"How dare you allow my 13-year-old daughter to take this book?!" | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
Collected Plays of Emlyn Williams. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
"Up the front, up the back!" | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
"Fucked by Monty!" | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
We're public benefactors, in a way. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
You wouldn't even begin to understand | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
the real reason we do these things. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
It was like an early version of Banksy. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
I think, partly, it was the trickster in them. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
They were really not successful writing together. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
They had all their early books, they had sent them all to... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
to Faber and Faber, and they sent them all back, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
saying that, "They're too odd for us. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
"They're not what we would publish." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
I think that irked them. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
But sort of defacing the library book covers, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
you can imagine they were having a lot of fun doing that. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
People began to mention their names as suspects. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:28 | |
The suggestion was made | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
that they were two men living together in a room, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:36 | |
so they must be homosexuals. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Orton and Halliwell lived in a room that was probably 16x12. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:45 | |
Very, very small. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Two beds, a desk, these walls that were... | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
That looked like they'd been tattooed, almost, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
with classical images. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
So it was a very, very claustrophobic, small space. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
When they went to court, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
OK, they deserved a fine or some kind of slap on the wrist, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
but...sending them to prison seemed well over the top. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:14 | |
My mother was sort of saying, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
"I never liked that bloke he lived with. I never liked him. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
"What on earth do you want to live with a bald-headed man for?" | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
He did send a letter home | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
saying that he didn't want anyone to send him any letters. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
He didn't want any contact with the family at all. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
I just thought, "What will happen to him?" | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
And it was the first time in their adult life | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
that they'd been separated. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
I think prison may have been the making of him. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
That's to say that it was in prison that he started to write | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
and sort of emancipated himself from the fact that he was writing... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
When he was living with Kenneth, he was writing stuff | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
and Kenneth would then comment on it and, you know, correct it. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
And in the process of correcting it, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
would very likely rob it of its originality. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
I had a wonderful time in prison. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
I wouldn't have missed it for the world. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
I didn't suffer the way Oscar Wilde suffered in prison, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
but then Wilde was flabby and self-indulgent. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
There's this complete myth about writers being sensitive plants. They're not. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
There's absolutely no reason a writer shouldn't be as tough as a bricklayer. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
He found it an exhilarating experience! | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
But, I mean, I think that's just a bit of bravado. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
It made him see society | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
in a totally different way. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
The experience must have influenced my writing, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
though I couldn't say how very precisely. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
It gave me time to turn over in my mind everything I'd been doing. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Time to think. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Before, I'd been vaguely aware of something rotten somewhere. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Prison crystallised this. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
The old whore society really lifted up her skirt | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
and the stench was pretty foul. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Something had happened in there. He changed. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
I think that he could separate, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
detach himself from worrying about what people thought of him. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:24 | |
It was like, "You've sent me to prison for being a homosexual, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
"although you never said that. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
"You said it was for defacing library-book covers, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
"but that was just a mask." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
You know, so, "Up yours". | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
As soon as he felt he had a voice, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
felt confident that he had a voice, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
I mean, it was like uncorking a geyser. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
In 1963, I was working in the BBC Radio drama department. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:57 | |
We had about 10,000 scripts a year. It was a hell of a lot. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
And, er...this play came across the desk to be sent back. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:10 | |
And it had been seen by a lot of, it seemed to me, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
rather elderly ladies, and they absolutely hated the play. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
And I looked at it and read the first page, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
and it was very unusual, and I thought, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
"This is absolutely brilliant". | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
BUZZING | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Have you got an appointment today? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Yes. I'm to be at King's Cross station at 11:00. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I'm meeting a man in the toilet. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
You always go to such interesting places. Are you taking the van? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Er...no, it's still under repair. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Where did you go yesterday? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
I went to Mikey Pierce's. I had a message to deliver. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
Had a chat with a man who travels | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
in electrically-operated massage machines. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Bought me a ham roll. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Turns out he's on the run. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
He didn't say as much in so many words, but I gathered. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
The papers were on form this morning. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Are they? I'm glad people are still reading them. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
I seen that a man had appeared in court | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
charged with locking his wife in a wardrobe. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
She tells of her night of terror. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
I mean, what a way to celebrate your wedding anniversary. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
I'd do the same. I'd lock you up if you gave me cause for displeasure. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
And in the local paper, I saw that there'd been an accident | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
involving a tattooed man. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
He had a heart, a clenched fist and a rose, all on one arm, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
and the name Ronny on his body in two different places. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Was that his name? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
No, his name was Frank. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
A van ran him down. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
He came to see me at Broadcasting House and I said to him, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
"Oh, what you have been doing the last few years?" | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
And he said "Well, actually, I've been in prison". | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
"Ooh", I said, sort of withdrawing a little bit. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
So anyhow, we then discussed the play and I said, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
"Well, I think we'll take it. We'll buy it". | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
And in the play, I'd cast Kenneth Cranham, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
who was absolutely unknown. He was a schoolboy. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
I think it's a rather poetic play and funny occasionally. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
I was very impressed by it. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
In fact, in some ways, it's still my favourite play of his - | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
about a mysterious outsider | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
bringing things to this house | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
and it turns out that there's all sorts of connections. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
I've come about the room. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
You must've come to the wrong door. Sorry if you've been troubled. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Can I come in? I've walked all the way here. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Just for a minute. I'm so busy. I'm run off my feet today. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
How about a cup of tea? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
You usually make one about now. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
How do you know? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
Oh, I pick up all sorts of useful information in my job. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
And what's that? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
I'm a gent's hairdresser - qualified. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
I've clipped some notable heads in my time. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
My brother was in the business, too, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
until he was involved in an accident. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
-What happened? -A van knocked him down. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
His funeral was attended by some interesting people. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
He was a sportsman before his decease. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
He wore white shorts better than any man I've ever come in contact with. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
As a matter of fact, strictly off the record, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I'm wearing a pair of his white shorts at this moment. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-Oh. -I wasn't mentioned in the press. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
They didn't realise the important part I'd played in Frank's life. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
My brother's fiancee had her photo taken - balling her head off. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Perhaps the accident unhinged her mind. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
It wasn't an accident. He was murdered. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
You don't know that. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:35 | |
Don't contradict me! | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
This is a private house, I'm not having perfect strangers talk to me like that! | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Clear off! My husband will be back soon! | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
-He's not your husband! -How dare you! | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
You're not married! You want to watch yourself. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
I have a good mind to call a policeman! | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
-You don't have a telephone. -I can knock on the floor! | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
-THUD! -There's nobody downstairs! | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
I'll report you! You keep away! | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
If I were to assault you... | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
..would he avenge you? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
I mean, I used to listen to the afternoon story | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
and I'd never heard anything like it. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
They were terrific lines | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
and within a sort of a context of an underworld | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
that British drama at that time | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
had only just begun to explore with Pinter. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
It's about the tension of an intruder and... | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
..becomes increasingly menacing. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
You don't know why he's there, really, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
and he provokes this couple. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
If you're desperate for a room, I could put you up on the bed-settee. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
It's quite comfortable. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-Is it new? -I bought it a long time ago. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
Couldn't afford such luxury today. Financially, I'm in a bad way. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Well, my money will help you out. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
It's the Assistance Board. I don't believe in charity unless I need it. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
My brother and me had the same trouble. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
We lived in Shepherd's Bush. We had a little room | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
and our life was made quite comfortable by the Assistance Board for almost a year. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
We had a lot of friends, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
all creeds and colours, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
but no circumstances at all. We were happy, though. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
We were young. I was 17, he was 23. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
You can't do better for yourself than that, can you? | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
We were bosom friends. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
I've never told anybody that before. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
I hope I haven't shocked you. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
As close as that? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
We had separate beds. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
He was a stickler for convention. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
But that's as far as it went. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
We spent every night in each other's company. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
It was the reason we never got any work done. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
There's no word in the Irish language for what you were doing. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
In Lapland, they have no word for snow. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
I'd rather not hear. I'm not a priest, you know. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
I wasn't with him when he died. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
I'm going around the twist with heartbreak. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
I thought of topping myself as a gesture, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
but suicide is difficult when you've got a pious mum. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Kill yourself? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
I don't want to live, see. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
That's a crude way of putting it. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
-You won't do it, though? -Nah. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
I've made a will, of course, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
in case anything should happen in the future. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
-What might happen? -I might get killed. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
-How? -I don't know. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
And what the young man arranges | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
is for the Irishman, the elderly Irishman, to shoot him. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:33 | |
Well, there was a longing to, I think, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
cross over and be in the next life with this... | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
..brother who'd been so important to him, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
and so he contrives his own death. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
The BBC, they didn't want it to be clear that they were homosexuals, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:54 | |
so Joe made them brothers, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
which made it even worse because it made it incest, as well, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
so he got sort of a double-barrel shot at it. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
I see the plot of a play as a piece of meat | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
that buries the hook of what the author has to say. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
If I just offered the bare hook of what I want to say, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
well, who'd put that in their mouths? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
The recording was a very happy event | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
and Joe was there all the time. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
He said, "Look, whilst I'm here, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
"I've got another play I've written", | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
which was called Entertaining Mr Sloane. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
And I laughed a lot and he said, "Do you like it?" | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
And I said, "Like it?" I said, "I think you need an agent." | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
I said, "I suggest you get in touch with a lady called Margaret Ramsey. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
"Peggy Ramsey, we call her." | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
And I said to him, "She can be a bit of a cow". | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Getting a call from Peggy was like someone saying, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
"The police, for you". | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
About three days later, I would say, Peggy Ramsey phoned me | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
and she had this piercing voice, very theatrical! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
She said, "John, darling, what's all this you've been calling me a cow all over London?" | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
I said, "I haven't, Peggy. No! No, I haven't. I promise, I haven't." | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
She said, "Yes, you have. This young man came in my office | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
"and you said to him that I was a cow. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
"My darling, who IS this young man?" | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Orton was seductive, he was charming, he was very funny. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
I mean, she really was taken with him. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
She didn't hang about, if she liked your stuff. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
She would be ear-bashing some poor artistic director until he said yes. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
She sent it to me and said, "Would you like this play?" | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
And I said, "I'll do it and get it on within six weeks", which we did. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
I fell in love with it immediately. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Well, the script, to me, was almost as elegant as Jane Austen, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
but saying the most, for then, rather horrifying things. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
I hadn't been told much about Joe before I met him. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I found him a very quiet presence at first | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
and I realised after a while that he was like that | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
with everyone when he first met them. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:04 | |
That he had 438 brilliant feelers, out measuring, tasting | 0:18:04 | 0:18:12 | |
and getting a complete understanding of the person he was speaking to. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
When Joe turned up, Halliwell would come with him | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
and seemed to regard that as a natural position. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
He was rather like the elephant in the room. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
I mean, it's easy with hindsight, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
but he did look like Himmler or something. He looked... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
When Ken was around, people became quite jumpy. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
There was sort of jealously and anger | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
and suspicion emanating from him. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
He was, to put it mildly...loathsome. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
He was the opposite of Joe. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Halliwell was difficult because he would make claims | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
about co-authorship of Sloane, which was clearly not true. | 0:18:54 | 0:19:00 | |
He felt very possessive | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
and, eventually, he had this kind of attitude and this bad feeling | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
that was influencing the company. He was asked to leave rehearsals. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
I mean, how Joe dealt with that when he got home of an evening, I don't know. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Joe's play is all that mattered to everybody who was there. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:22 | |
A rather dreadful lady of a certain age | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
leads into the drawing room of her home | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
a very young boy, whom she clearly fancies enormously, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
introduces him to her father, who lives with her, she calls him Dada, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
who is practically blind, and a peculiar dislike is expressed. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
The old man stabs him with a toasting fork. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
Argh! Ah! | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
Did Dada attack you? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:54 | |
He's got an artery. I must be losing pints! Oh, Christ! | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Oh, is it hurting you? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
What a lovely pair of shoes you've got! | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
-I think I'm going to spew. -Oh! | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Oh! | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
-Nah, I'll be all right. -Oh. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I wonder, Mr Sloane, if you'd take your trousers off? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
I hope you don't think there's anything behind the request. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
I expect you guessed as much before I asked. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
If you lift up, I'll pull them off. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
SHE BREATHES HARD | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
Where is it, then? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
-Here. -He attacked you from behind?! | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Oh, well, if you ask me, it's only a deep scratch. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
I don't think we'll require outside assistance. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Oh, don't be embarrassed, Mr Sloane. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
I had the upbringing a nun would envy and that's the truth. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
Until I was 15, I was more familiar with Africa than my own body. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
That's why I'm so pliable. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Oh! You've the skin on you like a princess! | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Better than one of those tarts you see dancing about on the telly. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
I like a lad with a smooth body. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
I've been doing my washing today. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
I haven't a stitch on, except for my shoes. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
I'm in the rude under this dress. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
I tell you because you're bound to have noticed. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
I've been worried for fear of embarrassing you. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Mr Sloane! | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
Don't betray your trust! | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
-I just thought... -I know what you thought! | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
You wanted to see if my titties were all my own! You're all the same! | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Oh! I must be careful of you. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Have me naked on the floor, given half a chance. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Oh, if my brother were to know! He's such a possessive man! | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Would you like to go to bed? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
SHE BREATHES HARD | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
The resemblance between Kath and my mother | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
is startlingly obvious to members of the family. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
Joe came home and brought a tape-recorder with him, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
and put the microphone behind a loaf of bread | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
and he would record my mother. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
And Joe was having to shove a handkerchief into his mouth | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
to make himself stop laughing. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
All Joe's female characters, there's a love/hate relationship going on. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
He loves to hate them. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Her brother then turns up, who seems to run a business | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
of very doubtful legality. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
In fact, he seems to be a bit of a gangster, if anything. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
But is powerful and... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
disapproves entirely of what his sister is doing. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
And it doesn't take you long to realise, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
from his reactions to the boy, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
that he also fancies the young boy. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Yeah, we had a nice little gym at the orphanage. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Put me in all the teams, they did. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Relays, soccer, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
pole-vault, long distance. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
I'm an all-rounder... | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
in anything you care to mention... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
..even in life. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Little body-builder, are you? I bet you are. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Do you...do you exercise regular? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
As clockwork. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
Good, good. Stripped? | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Fully. | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
How invigorating. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
And I box. I'm a bit of a boxer. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
-You ever done any wrestling? -On occasions. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
-So-so. -I've got a full chest. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
-Narrow hips, my biceps are... -Do you wear leather? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Next to your skin? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Leather jeans, say, without...? | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
Pants? | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
HE CHUCKLES Get away! | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Question is, are you clean living? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
You might as well know, I set a great store by morals. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
There's too much of this casual bunking up nowadays. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
There's too many lads getting ruined by birds. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
I don't want you messing about with my sister. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
-I wouldn't. -Have you made overtures to her? -No! | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
Does she disgust you? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
Should she? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
It's better if she did. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I've no interest in her. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
I've a certain amount of influence, friends with money. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
I own two cars. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:02 | |
You judge for yourself. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
I generally spend my holidays in places where the bints have got rings through their noses. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
Women are like banks, boy. Breaking and entering is a serious business. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
You give me your word you're not...vaginalatrous? | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
I'm not. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
I believe you. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
When the script arrived for Entertaining Mr Sloane, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
I took one look at it, I saw the subject and I just chucked it across the room | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
and I said, "I really don't want to do it." | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
And then my vanity crept in. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
Ha-ha! Always a strong force. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Um...so I looked at it again and I thought, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
"This is actually a very prominent part in a play in London." | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
And I realised that Sloane was not actually queer. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Sloane was... Sloane had a salami in his trousers, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
with which he negotiated his life. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I'd seen quite a lot of that in the RAF. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Sloane makes a pragmatic decision | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
to come into the house, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
sleep with the sister | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
and then also comes to an arrangement with the brother. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
Now, it's my view that that is, in a sense, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
psychologically, exactly what Orton was about. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
Orton, we know, did have some heterosexual relations | 0:26:35 | 0:26:41 | |
prior to meeting Halliwell at RADA. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
And I think underneath the comedy of this, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
there is some admission of Orton's life in the drama. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:55 | |
You can't pin the tail on the donkey, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
but I think that that reflects some aspect | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
of his own very ruthless pragmatism. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Let him choose. Let's have it in black and white, boy. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
-I'm going with Ed. -Is it the colour of the curtains in your room?! | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
-No. -Is it because I'm pregnant? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
No. Better opportunities. A new life. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
You vowed you loved me! | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
-Never for a second. -I was kind to you! | 0:27:22 | 0:27:23 | |
-Yeah. -And you're grateful? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
-I paid. -I paid, too. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
Reputation ruined. Baby on the way! | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
-CHUCKLES: -You had no reputation! | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Is that what he's taught you? | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
I taught him nothing. He was innocent until you got your maulers onto him. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
He'd packed the experience of a lifetime into a few short years. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
Pure in heart, he was. He wouldn't know where to put it. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
-I attracted him instantly. -You couldn't attract a blind man. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Look in the glass, lady, let's all enjoy a laugh. What do you see? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
-Me! -You've nothing to lure any man! | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
-Is that the truth, Mr Sloane? -More or less. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Well, why didn't you tell me? | 0:27:58 | 0:27:59 | |
How could he tell you?! You showed him the gate of hell every night! | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
He abandoned hope when he entered there! | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Mr Sloane...I believed you were a good boy. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
I find you have deceived me. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
You deceived yourself. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
Perhaps. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
I was never subtle, Mr Sloane. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
If you go with Eddie, I'll tell the police. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:20 | |
If I stay here, he'll do the same. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
It's what is called a dilemma, boy. You're on the horns of it. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
You see how things are, Mr Sloane? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
We'll discuss the matter. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
We need action, not discussion. Persuade her! Persuade her! | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Don't use that tone of voice to me, boy. I'll not be dictated to. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
An arrangement to suit all tastes, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
that's what's needed. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:49 | |
Don't saddle her with me for life! | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
As long as you're prepared to accept the idea of a partnership. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
Eddie, I think it's very clever of you to think of such a lovely idea. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Oh, he's close to tears! Isn't he sweet? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
He's definitely attractive in adversity. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
And I hadn't...was not much of a theatre-goer. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
This sounded very, very intriguing, this play. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
I think it was at Wyndham's. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
I think I saved up and went and saw it. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
The absolute sort of lack of moral judgment, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
I found very attractive. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
My impression was that the audience of Entertaining Mr Sloane | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
was a little bit baffled. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
I mean, it still was the age of... | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
you know, cups of tea in the interval | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
and people standing up for the national anthem, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
so some old man being beaten to death by a rent boy | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
behind a sofa was not what they were used to. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
Joe kept a scrapbook on Sloane | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
and he filled it with all sorts of cut-outs | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
from different newspapers. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
He was really proud of his success | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
and he wanted to record as much of it as he could. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
You probably know about the notice we got in The Telegraph. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Well, the critic was a man called WA Darlington, who was of a great age, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
and he ended his review by saying, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
"I felt snakes were writhing at my feet". | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
And, of course, Edna Welthorpe writes back and said, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
"I, too, felt that snakes were writhing around my feet. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
"Well, let's hope that the general public will soon strike back." | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
Edna Welthorpe was a Mary Whitehouse figure... | 0:30:45 | 0:30:50 | |
..who wrote to the newspapers, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
condemned and slammed Entertaining Mr Sloane. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
Edna Welthorpe was the pseudonym of Joe Orton. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
What was splendid about the play was that it was produced | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
in an atmosphere of the News of the World of salacious gossip, filth. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
They loved filth! | 0:31:16 | 0:31:17 | |
People would come to the show looking for filth! | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
And, um...it was the time of Profumo. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
Do you remember the scandal with...Christine Keeler? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
The joy of Orton was his love of hypocrisy. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
It then became extremely fashionable. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
This was the thing that surprised us, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:39 | |
that we had the likes of Rattigan, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
Vivian Lee and Peter Willes, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
the head of TV drama, all taking Joe up. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
It's hard to imagine having been in jail | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
and suddenly, within a year, going from that | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
to being celebrated as this new, promising author | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
of a hit West End play. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
He's suddenly broken through. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
It's jail that's helped me get this far. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
It's no good saying it was hard work. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
Now I've written two plays that have been produced. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
It hasn't changed me, though, a bit of success. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I still like the same things, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
only now I can have more of them. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
I was walking one day along the King's Road | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
and Joe was walking towards me. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
As we sort of passed each other, our eyes met... | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
..and I think there was a definite sort of attraction between us. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
And we walked past each other | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
and then both stopped and looked back. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
I was just feeling excited, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
but I was slightly worried. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
I wasn't really sure what was going to happen. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
He then took me into a department store - Peter Jones. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
We went down to the toilets, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
then we became more intimately acquainted. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
While we were in the toilet, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
I was certainly concerned that somebody may come in. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
I think that probably added to the frisson of excitement. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
At the time, it was a bit like being a spy or something. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
He had told me that he lived with Kenneth Halliwell. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
We went back into the flat. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
We weren't there all that long | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
and, um...suddenly Kenneth appeared, he came in. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
And when we saw me, he was extremely annoyed | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
and asked who the hell I was. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
But Joe was probably just sort of dangling this | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
in front of Kenneth a bit | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
and I got the feeling he did that a bit, sort of... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
BELL TOLLS | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
If you look at the structure of Entertaining Mr Sloane, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
it's farcical in places. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
He knew he wanted to write a farce. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
He's looking for a form | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
in which he can essentially comment | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
both visually and verbally | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
more powerfully about society. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
You're introduced to a typical family at a moment of bereavement | 0:34:15 | 0:34:22 | |
and you think, "Oh, my goodness, this is going to be a play | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
"about rather dull people". | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
And then extraordinary things start to come out. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
The nurse is actually a murderess, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
who's murdered several husbands before. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Your wife changed her will right before she died. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
She left all her money to me. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
-What? Is it legal? -Perfectly. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
She must have been drunk. What about me and the boy? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
I'm surprised that you've taken this attitude. Have you no sense of decency? | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
Oh, it's God's judgment on me for marrying a Protestant! | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
How much has she left you? | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
£19,000, including her bonds and her jewels. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Employing you has cost me a fortune! | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
You must be the most expensive nurse in history! | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
You don't imagine I want the money for myself, do you? | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
-Yes. -Well, that's unworthy of you! | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
I'm most embarrassed by Mrs McLeavy's generosity. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
-You'll destroy the will? -I wish I could. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
-Why can't you? -It's a legal document. I could be sued. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
-By whom? -The beneficiary. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
That's you. You'd never sue yourself! | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
I might...if I was pushed too far. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
We must find a way of conveying the money into your bank account. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Couldn't you just give it to me? | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Think of the scandal! | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
What do you suggest, then? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
We must have a joint bank account. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Wouldn't that cause an even bigger scandal? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
Not if we were married. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Married?! But then you'd have my money, as well as Mrs McLeavy's! | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
That's one way of looking at it. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
Go ahead, ask me to marry you. I have no intentions of refusing. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
Use any form of proposal you like. Try to avoid abstract nouns. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Well, everybody in the profession knew about it | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
because Kenneth Williams was playing the lead | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
and Kenneth Williams was a brilliant comic actor. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
It was obviously an event that we were all waiting for. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
We heard that, on tour, people had walked out and were furious | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
and disgusted by it, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
but we also heard that it had been missproduced. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
It had been given a heavily-stylised production. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
And also, Kenneth Williams couldn't do anything else but the gags, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
couldn't do the serious side of everything, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
so the whole thing had been a disaster. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
It was an all-star cast, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
but they couldn't get to the... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
The play wasn't working. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:40 | |
Orton wrote 100...nearly 150 pages of new material. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
He was continually doing rewrites. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
It was a nightmare. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
We played Bournemouth with it, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
which Kenneth Williams described as "the graveyard of our hopes". | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
A woman came up to me and shook her fist and said, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
"It was Felicity's 21st," | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
as if we'd ruined this poor girl's entry into womanhood. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
Everyone is now on the verge of a nervous breakdown. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
Kenneth Williams is disastrous! | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
IMITATES KENNETH: "How many husbands have you had?" | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
And he wonders why he's not getting any laughs! | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
I wouldn't have believed when I wrote the play it could be this difficult! | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
I'll get back as soon as humanly possible, Ken. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
I'm not gallivanting around down here. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
It's the most depressing few weeks I've ever lived through! | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
The show closed miserably out of town | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
and, as far as Orton was concerned, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
it was over and he was a failure. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
And it was at that point I said, "You should meet Braham Murray". | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Michael Codron phoned me and said, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
"I have just done this production of Loot by Joe Orton, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
"which I think is a brilliant play, and it failed, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
"but I still believe in the play. Could you do it?" | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Well, I read it, I loved it. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I worked with Joe | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
and I found him very much wanting to make things work, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
wanting to make things happen. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
He was an artist. Yes, he knew. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
He believed he was writing something special | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
and he was right that he was. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
And any great artist will go on doing it, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
no matter what they're told. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
Braham Murray got Orton to cut and shape the play, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
and that production was considerably better, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
and it was then brought into town by Charles Marowitz. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:34 | |
I got the part of Hal | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
and my companion was Simon Ward, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
so we were quite... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
sort of the blonde and the brunette, in a way. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
And looking back, we were the ingenues. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
You can see what Orton's doing. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Now the fun machine was starting to move. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
People were in and out of doors, things were tipped over, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
and you can see that he's teasing every piety | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
and turning it upside down and testing it. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
The two boys are actually, apart from being lovers, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
are robbers who have robbed a bank, which is next door. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
Try to control yourself. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
If I come back and find you've been telling the truth all afternoon, we're through. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
It's a farce about a corpse | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
and how much reverence, if you like, is paid to a dead body. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:34 | |
Come here. Open the cupboard. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
Why are you so interested? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:38 | |
Don't hesitate to obey me. Open the cupboard! | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
I...I've got something in there! | 0:39:41 | 0:39:42 | |
-What? -A corpse. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
Where are you concealing the money? | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
In my mother's coffin. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
Argh! | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
This is unforgiveable! | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
I shall speak to your father! | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
She's standing on her head! | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
I want her buried. Are you prepared to help me? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
I want the body stripped. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
It isn't a thing someone of the opposite sex can do to a woman. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I'm her relative, which complicates the issue. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Put her in there. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Well, I need help getting her out of the cupboard! | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
-I'm not taking the head end. -She won't bite! You have gloves on! | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
Oh, what was that?! | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
Nothing. It's nothing. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Lovely shaped feet your mother had, I mean, for a woman of her age. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
What will you do with the money? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
I might just run a brothel. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I'd run a two-star brothel | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
and, if I prospered, I'd graduate to a three-star brothel. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
I'd advertise by appointment... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
..like Jam. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
I'd have a spade bird, I don't agree with the colour bar, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
and a Finnish bird. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
-I'd make them kip together, bring out the contrast. -Oh! | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
I'd have two Irish birds, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
a decent Catholic and a Protestant. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
I'd make the Protestant take the Catholics | 0:41:16 | 0:41:17 | |
and the Catholic take the Protestants. Teach them how the other half live. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Have you committed to removing the teeth? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
I'd have a French bird and a bird who spoke fluent Spanish | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
and performed the dances of her native country to perfection! | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I began writing at 11. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
At 20 past, the telephone rang. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
"I've rung to tell you your mum died this morning," the caller said. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Leonie rang at about six. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
I promised to go home tomorrow. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:54 | |
As the corpse is downstairs in the living room, it means going out | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
or watching television with death at one's elbow. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
My father, fumbling out of bed in the middle of the night, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
bumped into the coffin and nearly had the corpse on the floor. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
Leonie and I spent the afternoon | 0:42:11 | 0:42:12 | |
throwing out junk collected over the years. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
I found a cup containing a pair of false teeth | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
and threw it in the dustbin, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
then I discovered they belonged to my father and I had to rescue them. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
I found my mother's teeth in a drawer, I kept them... | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
To amaze the cast of Loot. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
And in the corridor, the long corridor underneath the Criterion, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
he threw them through the air | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
and I cupped my hands to catch them and I saw what they were. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
The ones I had in the show were pink and white, straight out of a shop. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
These ones were all sort of green and mildewed | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
and chalky and horrible-looking. Eurgh! | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
And I behaved like a woman with a mouse. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
KNOCK AT DOOR | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
-What's going on in this house? -Nothing. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
We sat together in the stalls | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
and we were... I was laughing so much. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
And I said to him, "I don't know how you get away with it". | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
I said, "Oh, Joe, I love it". | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
I mean, Loot was the play that broke Orton out, right? | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
It was a hit. It was a West End hit. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
The balance was correctly found | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
between the farcical elements and the macabre tone. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
The teasing of received opinion about the police. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:53 | |
I'm sure that his experience with the law and prison | 0:43:53 | 0:43:58 | |
were part of the creation of Loot, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
that was really the main, the centre, of the comedy. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
Orton used that idea of getting arrested for Truscott of the yard. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
Now, then, I'm going to ask a few questions. You ever been in prison? | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
-Yes. -What for? | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
Stealing overcoats and biting a policeman. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
The theft of an article of clothing is excusable, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
but policemen, like red squirrels, must be protected. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
You were rightly convicted. What you doing with this dummy? | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
-You taken up sewing? -I was putting it in the cupboard. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
-Why? -To keep it hidden. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
Don't try to pull the wool over my eyes. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:37 | |
-Where's the money from the bank job? -What bank job? | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
-Your mate says it's been buried. -He's a liar! | 0:44:40 | 0:44:41 | |
It's a very sensible reply. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
You're an honest lad, are you prepared to cooperate? I'll put a good word in for you. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
-I don't want anybody seeing me talking to a policeman. -I'm not a policeman. -Aren't you? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
No, I'm from the Metropolitan Water Board. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
You're the law! You gave me a kicking down the station! | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
-I don't remember doing so. -It's all in a day's work to you, isn't it? | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
-What were you doing down the station? -I was on SUS. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
-What were you suspected of? -The bank job. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:01 | |
-You complain you were beaten? -Yes. -Did you tell anyone? -Yes. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
-Who? -The officer in charge. -What did he say? -Nothing. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
-Why not? -He was out of breath with kicking. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
I hope you're prepared to substantiate these accusations, lad. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
-What evidence have you? -My bruises. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
-What's the official version of those? -Resisting arrest. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
I can see nothing unreasonable in that. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
If I ever hear you | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
accuse the police of using violence against a prisoner in custody again, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
I'll take you down the station and I'll beat the eyes out of your head! | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Now, get out! | 0:45:34 | 0:45:36 | |
And take that thing with you. I don't want to see it in here again. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
SQUELCH! | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
Loot was a success and he was chic. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
I mean, he was mordent, he was ironic, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
he was absolutely quintessentially of the moment. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
Ken was very much a part of that success. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
The new production of Loot had brought them fresh hope | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
and he started appearing with Kenneth. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
They would actually turn up at things together. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
Joe's success in the theatre led him towards television plays. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:31 | |
Peter Willes was the head of Rediffusion Drama. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:37 | |
Peter Willes had this brilliant idea | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
of inviting established playwrights | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
to write for the medium of television. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
Very fastidious gentleman. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
He would come to the final run-through | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
and sit on a shooting stick | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
about a yard and a half away from you. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
A lot of people were quite frightened of him, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
which he rather enjoyed, I think. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
Peter Willes became important to Joe | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
because, obviously, it helped his career | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
and Willes commissioned The Good and Faithful Servant. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
Do come in! | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
The play is about the retirement of an old gentleman | 0:47:26 | 0:47:32 | |
and the way he's dealt with. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Um...which is horrifyingly | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
impersonal and insensitive. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:46 | |
And my character, Mrs Vealfoy, was head of personnel. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:52 | |
Your wife is dead. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
Have you been feeding false information into our computers? | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
This woman is not my wife. I...I was young and foolish. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
It all happened a long time ago. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
I shall inform your section manager. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
He must straighten this out with records. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
It is a personal matter. My private life is involved. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
Should your private life be involved, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
we shall be the first to inform you of the fact. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
And when you see Buchanan, it's got to be his father. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
You had to know our father to see what a pathetic soul he was. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
# Happy days are here again | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
# The skies above are clear again | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
# So let us sing a song of cheer again... # | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
He has this weak character and he keeps... | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
You know, that seems to be indelibly imprinted | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
in Joe's subconscious somewhere. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
I think that Kenneth was becoming like that | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
and he was this sort of complaining, winging figure. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
Kenneth was always there, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:58 | |
like a big, bloated spider sitting in the corner, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
and he wanted to give the impression | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
that he was the one that was really behind the works. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
And you could see that there was a tension between them. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
Halliwell was envious. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
He wanted to spoil Orton's parade. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
Orton had to get out of there. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
Life was drawing him out of there. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
People wanted to know him. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:29 | |
Tonight, from London... | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
ORCHESTRA STRIKES UP | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
..The Eamonn Andrews Show! | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
A woman rang from the Eamonn Andrews Show, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
asking me to be on it this Sunday. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
They offered me £100. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
I accepted. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
-Joe Orton! -APPLAUSE | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
Welcome, Joe. | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
Well, as I was saying, you're a very successful writer. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
What about this business of spending six months in jail? | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
It had something to do with library books, hadn't it? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Um...well, yes, I used to do very strange things on library books. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:11 | |
It was really a joke. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
He had acquired a name. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
He was somebody. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
He was suddenly meeting people and having an interesting life, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
and going out of his room, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
and that is what the diaries dramatise. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:27 | |
Brian Epstein's advisor rang while I was eating a meal | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
of mashed potatoes, tinned salmon and beetroot. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
He asked me if I would like to meet the boys on Wednesday. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
I was very impressed with this, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
but I tried to put on a nonchalant manner. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
Paul McCartney was just as the photographs, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
only he'd grown a moustache. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
He was playing the latest Beatles recording - Penny Lane. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
I liked it very much. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
Then he played the other side, Strawberry something. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
I didn't like that one as much. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
Joe really clicked in with the counter culture, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
but in that period it was as if | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
everybody was riding a surfboard together. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
"The only thing I get from theatre," Paul M said, "is a sore arse". | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
He said that Loot was the only play he hadn't wanted to leave before the end. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
"I'd have liked a bit more," he said. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
We talked of drugs. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
I said I'd smoked hash in Morocco and the atmosphere relaxed a little. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
I had a final word with Paul M. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
"I'd like to do the movie," I said, | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
"there's just one thing we have to fix up". | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
"You mean the bread?" "Yes." | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
We smiled and parted. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
I got a cab home. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:47 | |
He sent me a letter telling me | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
that his agent had secured a £10,000 fee. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
The letter fell from my hands, I think, | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
because I was so astonished. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
And I thought, "Wow! | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
"My brother is really rich! | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
"He's really made the grade!" | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
I spent the morning reading what I'd written of The Beatles script, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
then I went to see the producer, Walter Shenson. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
American. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:21 | |
He was most concerned to impress upon me the boys shouldn't be made | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
to do anything in the film that might reflect badly upon them. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
"The kids will imitate whatever the boys do," he said. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
I hadn't the heart to tell him the boys in my script | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
have already committed adultery, been caught in flagrante, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
become involved in dubious political activity, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
dressed as women, committed murder and been put in prison. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
And the script isn't finished yet. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
The townsfolk won't tolerate your indiscretions any longer. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
They have recently, with the destruction of the memorial | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
to the fallen of two world wars, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
reached monumental proportions. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
I met a man who said he was a World War II veteran. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
He pressed the wreath into my hands, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
begging me to place it under the plaque to his fallen comrades. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
This, I did. Shortly afterwards, the memorial exploded. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
I had nothing whatever to do with the outrage. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Never in the whole of my life have I heard anything so lame and stupid! | 0:53:17 | 0:53:23 | |
I won't waste more time discussing your conduct! | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
I'll come straight to the point. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
At 4:00am this morning, my own niece, Rowena Torrance, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
was seen to enter your room in an advanced state of nudity. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
What excuse had she for being with you at that hour? | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
She'd come to...borrow a cup of sugar. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
She's on a diet! | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
-I didn't give into her demands. -Was she provocative? | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
Nobody's provocative at four in the morning. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
It wasn't me who let your niece into the room. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
That isn't true. I saw the incident with my own eyes. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
Do you confirm that, Superintendent? | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
I handed you the binoculars myself. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
And you left the blind up, as well, McTurk. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
The last indulgence of a sensualist. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
Hm! My niece, upon careful scrutiny, | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
appears to be as much in need of repair | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
as the memorial to the fallen. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
For your outrage upon the living | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
and your friend's outrage upon the dead, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
the city fathers have decided to expel you both from this fair city. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
Can't I see Rowena to say farewell? I-I love her very much! | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
It seems a pity not to return a cup of sugar. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
He didn't take the commission that seriously. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
He sort of... He just tossed, no pun intended, he tossed it off. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
He wanted to put The Beatles | 0:54:45 | 0:54:46 | |
in a lot of compromising sexual positions, you know, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
and I think that was the thing that actually got the script killed. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
That's a Dionysian impulse. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
This is the spirit of a great comic writer. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
It's infantile, it's crazed, it's vindictive. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
His ambition here is to drive an audience crazy. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:14 | |
Joe did push the boundaries of what was considered acceptable. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
I mean, even today I have at home | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
some really outrageous, still unpublished stuff. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
It shows that Joe always wants to be really provocative. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
He really wants to shock you. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
It does shock you, but it's still funny. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
I'd been asked to do a sketch to do with sex for a review that's | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
being put on. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:40 | |
Kenneth Tynan is involved. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
He said there was going to be no phoney artistic shit. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
Since the review is called Oh! Calcutta!, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
it begins with an artistic title. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
I wasn't going to put myself out, but then | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
I found an old pornographic sketch I wrote long before Sloane or Ruffian. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:58 | |
I typed it up, reworked some of the pornographic elements | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
and posted it off. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
They can have the sketch...if they dare to do it. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
I can't get it enough. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:12 | |
Poor Auntie. Your old hole is never satisfied. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
How can it be? | 0:56:17 | 0:56:18 | |
I haven't had anyone interfere with me since I was two... | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
Except my old English sheepdog and you occasionally. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
Oh, never mind, dear. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
Charles has promised to bring a friend over | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
to poke you one of these days. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
I know, dear, but Charles has promised to bring this | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
hypothetical friend for so long, but he always disappoints me. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
Have you tried a rolled up copy of a Lady's Friend? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
I've tried everything from the London Illustrated News | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
to Peg's Paper. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
None of them has the correct...pliancy and...verve. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
Well, of course, you could always borrow Charles. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
-DOOR OPENS -Oh, shush! Here he is now. -Hello. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
Hello, Eliza. Oh, I feel shagged out. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
We were just talking about you. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
Couldn't we have it in less, Laura? | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
My balls feel as though they're made of cotton wool. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:57:03 | 0:57:04 | |
What on earth is the matter with you, Eliza? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Laura hoped that you might have | 0:57:06 | 0:57:07 | |
managed to give it to me for a change. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
You see, poor Auntie hasn't had good shag since she was two. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
When would you like it? | 0:57:13 | 0:57:14 | |
Well, now please, if you could manage. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
My dear, if only I could. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:18 | |
But you see, Laura gave me one of her vacuum sessions. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
The end of the vacuum cleaner is fitted over the end of... | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
Stop! | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
If only I had a prick, instead of this smelly, old hole, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
I could have such a time. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Ugh! I am frustrated, I have been for years. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Don't talk to me about frustration. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
When I was little, I used to hang around outside | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
the headmaster's study in the hope of getting a good thrashing. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
Other boys used to be caned, whipped. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
-I got nothing. -How humiliating for you. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
HE GROWLS | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
Ohhh! | 0:57:54 | 0:57:55 | |
I say, Eliza, you're in luck. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
Charlie! | 0:57:59 | 0:58:00 | |
I knew, if you went on discussing school | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
and flagellation, you'd get yourself worked up into such a state. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
Stand by the day bed, Eliza! | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
I shall make a charge at you! | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
Just lift your dress higher! | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
MUSIC STARTS | 0:58:15 | 0:58:16 | |
Oh, God! | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
LOUD MOANING | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
Oh, Auntie, I must see! | 0:58:20 | 0:58:21 | |
MOANING AND SCREAMING | 0:58:24 | 0:58:25 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
Thank you, Charlie, dear. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
I didn't cum, Eliza. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:34 | |
I couldn't manage it, so I just peed up you. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:36 | |
Well, whatever you did, Charles, it was very nice. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
Whatever is the matter with you, Laura? | 0:58:45 | 0:58:47 | |
While you were diddling Auntie, I got carried away with | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
several reels of embroidery cotton. | 0:58:50 | 0:58:51 | |
I'm afraid the lime green and vermilion | 0:58:51 | 0:58:53 | |
are still wedged in my maze. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
Oh, really, Laura, how inconsiderate of you! | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
I need the lime green for my table runner. | 0:58:58 | 0:59:00 | |
Joe enjoyed his sex, I think. Yes, he did. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:07 | |
When I first read Joe's diaries, | 0:59:07 | 0:59:12 | |
I was shocked... | 0:59:12 | 0:59:14 | |
..by... | 0:59:15 | 0:59:17 | |
..the...the revelation... | 0:59:18 | 0:59:22 | |
of him going to public lavatories | 0:59:22 | 0:59:26 | |
and parading himself and... | 0:59:26 | 0:59:29 | |
..wanting to... | 0:59:31 | 0:59:33 | |
I don't know, use the rough trade for sex. | 0:59:33 | 0:59:36 | |
On the way home, I met an ugly Scotsman who said | 0:59:36 | 0:59:39 | |
he liked being fucked. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:40 | |
I fucked him against a wall. | 0:59:40 | 0:59:42 | |
The sleeve of my rain mac is covered in white wash from the wall. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:45 | |
It won't come off. | 0:59:45 | 0:59:46 | |
I hate Christmas. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:49 | |
Joe was having such success alone | 0:59:50 | 0:59:56 | |
that he was... | 0:59:56 | 0:59:58 | |
beginning to realise that that is perhaps where the future lay. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:05 | |
And...things that were happening to him, | 1:00:05 | 1:00:08 | |
like meeting Paul McCartney and things like that, he didn't | 1:00:08 | 1:00:13 | |
go home to Kenneth, he came straight to the theatre to tell me | 1:00:13 | 1:00:16 | |
and Simon Ward and, of course, we loved hearing these stories. | 1:00:16 | 1:00:20 | |
Kenneth was moving further and further away. | 1:00:21 | 1:00:25 | |
And Kenneth, when he felt threatened by whoever it was, | 1:00:25 | 1:00:31 | |
he would actually kick up. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:34 | |
They would go to Morocco and there was quite a long tradition | 1:00:34 | 1:00:37 | |
of it, almost, that there was some sort of sexual freedom there. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:41 | |
When they were in Morocco, they seemed very happy together. | 1:00:43 | 1:00:46 | |
I think that that was their new life. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:50 | |
I remember I got a card from Kenneth and Joe when they were in Tangier, | 1:00:50 | 1:00:56 | |
which had a lot of Moroccan boys with snakes curling round them, | 1:00:56 | 1:01:01 | |
and the message was, | 1:01:01 | 1:01:03 | |
"The snakes are real. The boys are stuffed. Love, Joe and Ken." | 1:01:03 | 1:01:09 | |
So they obviously saw eye to eye on that sort of thing. | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
They were more relaxed. | 1:01:12 | 1:01:15 | |
There wasn't a tension of him, or rather Joe, | 1:01:15 | 1:01:19 | |
going off and seeing all these - inverted commas - | 1:01:19 | 1:01:23 | |
"important people". | 1:01:23 | 1:01:25 | |
Just after these were taken, I lay naked on the terrace | 1:01:31 | 1:01:34 | |
trying to get my back and buttocks a decent colour. | 1:01:34 | 1:01:37 | |
I burned my bum a bit. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:38 | |
I took a shower and then Nasim arrived. | 1:01:39 | 1:01:42 | |
We had a long sex session. | 1:01:42 | 1:01:44 | |
I'd frequently given my best sexual performance with people | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
I didn't love, in fact, rather despised. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:51 | |
I fucked the arses off ageing queens, | 1:01:51 | 1:01:54 | |
but found a beautiful, young boy too difficult to cum... | 1:01:54 | 1:01:57 | |
because I loved him too much. | 1:01:57 | 1:01:59 | |
After a lunch of hard-boiled eggs and cold potatoes, | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
I got down to work. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:05 | |
Larbe arrived and, after lemon tea, | 1:02:05 | 1:02:07 | |
he disappeared into the bedroom with Kenneth. | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
So Halliwell can be happier in that climate, where he's not | 1:02:11 | 1:02:16 | |
humiliated and internally reminded of his failure. | 1:02:16 | 1:02:20 | |
Kenneth and I sat talking of how happy we both felt | 1:02:20 | 1:02:23 | |
and how surely it couldn't last. | 1:02:23 | 1:02:25 | |
We'd have to pay for it or be struck down from a fire by disaster. | 1:02:26 | 1:02:30 | |
To be young, good-looking, healthy, famous, comparatively rich | 1:02:31 | 1:02:35 | |
and happy is surely going against nature. | 1:02:35 | 1:02:38 | |
The minute they set foot in London, | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
Halliwell is the factotum, | 1:02:44 | 1:02:47 | |
if anything, and Orton is the man. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:51 | |
Everybody in, it seems, in the theatre world | 1:02:51 | 1:02:57 | |
wanted Joe and nobody wanted to meet Kenneth Halliwell. | 1:02:57 | 1:03:01 | |
Peter Willes actually referred to Kenneth Halliwell as being like | 1:03:06 | 1:03:13 | |
a writer's wife, and he'd had all these problems with writers' wives, | 1:03:13 | 1:03:18 | |
and I think he thought that Kenneth now was holding Joe back. | 1:03:18 | 1:03:23 | |
I was taken by Joe to a party in the Pall Mall area | 1:03:23 | 1:03:28 | |
in a very grand room. | 1:03:28 | 1:03:31 | |
Peter Willes used to like to mix his connections with aristocracy | 1:03:31 | 1:03:36 | |
with the theatrical avant-garde, he quite liked that frisson. | 1:03:36 | 1:03:41 | |
And Harold Pinter was very at ease there | 1:03:41 | 1:03:44 | |
and Joe was rather taken with it all, too. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:47 | |
Kenneth writes on the wall when Joe comes home, | 1:03:47 | 1:03:51 | |
"Joe Orton is a spineless twat." | 1:03:51 | 1:03:54 | |
I'm not sure how much of that sort of abuse a partner can take. | 1:03:56 | 1:04:02 | |
Kenneth is suffering from tightness in the chest. | 1:04:04 | 1:04:07 | |
Today's argument went on for the best part of the morning. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:10 | |
He suddenly shouted, | 1:04:10 | 1:04:12 | |
"I hope I die of heart disease. I'd like to see how you manage then. | 1:04:12 | 1:04:16 | |
"When I'm not around, you won't be able to write in this flip way." | 1:04:16 | 1:04:20 | |
The inference that I don't know how cruel and senseless life is hurt me. | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
"I won't have you monopolising the agony market!" I shouted in a fury. | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
I think it's bad that we live in each other's pockets 24 hours a day, | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
365 days a year. | 1:04:35 | 1:04:36 | |
Clearly, Kenneth had mental health problems. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
Kenneth was seeking psychiatric help. | 1:04:42 | 1:04:46 | |
I believe that that's where the plot | 1:04:47 | 1:04:54 | |
for What The Butler Saw came from | 1:04:54 | 1:04:58 | |
because it's set in a psychiatrist's private clinic. | 1:04:58 | 1:05:03 | |
He must have been retelling Joe about what was happening | 1:05:03 | 1:05:11 | |
in this psychiatrist's chair. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:13 | |
Madness is the order of the day. | 1:05:13 | 1:05:15 | |
What The Butler Saw is his masterpiece. | 1:05:15 | 1:05:19 | |
There's something healing about it. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:20 | |
It's just so bold and nobody remotely came close to that | 1:05:20 | 1:05:25 | |
in English or Western theatre. | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
It's just... He's way out there. | 1:05:28 | 1:05:30 | |
Orton makes the genre of farce, | 1:05:30 | 1:05:33 | |
makes it a metaphor for a psychotic breakdown. | 1:05:33 | 1:05:38 | |
The psychiatrist and the inspector of psychiatry, Dr Rance, | 1:05:38 | 1:05:45 | |
are both clearly off their heads. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:47 | |
Good morning, are you Dr Prentice? | 1:05:49 | 1:05:51 | |
Yes, have you an appointment? | 1:05:51 | 1:05:53 | |
No, I never make appointments. | 1:05:53 | 1:05:55 | |
I'd like to be given details of your clinic. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:58 | |
You specialise in the complete breakdown and its by-products? | 1:05:58 | 1:06:02 | |
Yes, but it's highly confidential. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:04 | |
My files are never open to strangers. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:06 | |
You may speak freely in front of me. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:08 | |
I represent Her Majesty's Government, | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
your immediate superiors in madness. | 1:06:10 | 1:06:13 | |
I'm from the commissioners. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:16 | |
-Which branch? -The mental branch. | 1:06:16 | 1:06:18 | |
Do you cover asylums proper or just houses of tentative madness? | 1:06:18 | 1:06:21 | |
My brief is infinite. | 1:06:21 | 1:06:23 | |
I'd have sway over a rabbit hutch | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
if the inmates were mentally disturbed. | 1:06:25 | 1:06:27 | |
You're obviously a force to be reckoned with. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
I hope our relationship will be a pleasant one. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:34 | |
Why are there so many doors? | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
Was the house designed by a lunatic? | 1:06:36 | 1:06:38 | |
Yes. We have him here as a patient from time to time. | 1:06:38 | 1:06:41 | |
Is your couch regulation size? It looks big enough for two. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:45 | |
I do double consultations. | 1:06:45 | 1:06:47 | |
Toddlers are often terrified of a doctor, | 1:06:47 | 1:06:49 | |
so I've taken to examining their mothers at the same time. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:51 | |
Has the theory received much publicity? | 1:06:51 | 1:06:54 | |
I don't approve of scientists that publicise their theories. | 1:06:54 | 1:06:56 | |
I must say I agree with you. | 1:06:56 | 1:06:58 | |
I wish more scientists would keep their ideas to themselves. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:02 | |
Is this something to do with you, Prentice? | 1:07:02 | 1:07:05 | |
It's a prescription, sir. | 1:07:05 | 1:07:07 | |
"Keep your head down and don't make a sound." | 1:07:07 | 1:07:10 | |
Do you find your patients react favourably to such treatment? | 1:07:10 | 1:07:14 | |
I can claim to have had some success with it. | 1:07:14 | 1:07:16 | |
Your ideas are, I think, in advance of the times. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:19 | |
WOMAN MOANS | 1:07:21 | 1:07:22 | |
There's a naked woman behind there. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:26 | |
People are being punished by the velocity of farce. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:33 | |
In other words, at a certain speed, all things disintegrate. | 1:07:33 | 1:07:36 | |
I think it does coincide with the fact | 1:07:36 | 1:07:41 | |
that Kenneth is having psychiatric treatment. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:45 | |
Went to Peter Willes' for dinner. | 1:07:49 | 1:07:51 | |
When we got there, he stared at Kenneth in horror. | 1:07:52 | 1:07:55 | |
"That's an old Etonian tie", he screeched. | 1:07:55 | 1:07:58 | |
"Yes," said Kenneth, "it's a joke". | 1:07:58 | 1:07:59 | |
Willes wrinkled up his face in an evil sort of way, | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
"Well, I'm afraid it's a joke against you, then. | 1:08:03 | 1:08:06 | |
"People will imagine you're passing yourself off as an old Etonian. | 1:08:06 | 1:08:09 | |
"It will make them angry." | 1:08:09 | 1:08:11 | |
"I don't care," Kenneth said, laughing a little too readily, | 1:08:12 | 1:08:15 | |
"I want to make them angry." | 1:08:15 | 1:08:16 | |
"But why?" Willes said. "People dislike you enough already. | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
"I mean, it's permissible as a foible of youth, | 1:08:20 | 1:08:22 | |
"but you, a middle-aged nonentity, it's sad and pathetic." | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
After an uneasy silence, a sort of rapprochement was restored. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:32 | |
The conversation drifted on in a desultory way | 1:08:32 | 1:08:35 | |
until Kenneth exploded. | 1:08:35 | 1:08:37 | |
"All you people that are mad on Joe really have no idea what he's like." | 1:08:38 | 1:08:42 | |
Willes paled. | 1:08:42 | 1:08:44 | |
"I'm not mad on Joe. Whatever do you mean?" | 1:08:44 | 1:08:47 | |
I think he wanted Joe to himself, not necessarily sexually, | 1:08:50 | 1:08:55 | |
but Joe was a great prize | 1:08:55 | 1:08:57 | |
and because Joe was particularly involved in breaking the bounds | 1:08:57 | 1:09:03 | |
of sexual freedom, whatever, and Peter Willes was thrilled by this. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:08 | |
Took a walk. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
Nobody to pick up, only a lot of disgusting old men. | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
I shall be a disgusting old man myself one day, | 1:09:15 | 1:09:17 | |
I thought, mournfully. | 1:09:17 | 1:09:18 | |
Only I have high hopes of dying in my prime. | 1:09:20 | 1:09:22 | |
The last time I saw Joe was when he came to Leicester, August 1st. | 1:09:29 | 1:09:36 | |
I pushed my new baby in a pram | 1:09:36 | 1:09:40 | |
and he said, "Oh, I'll push the pram." | 1:09:40 | 1:09:44 | |
And then I left to go home | 1:09:44 | 1:09:46 | |
and he kissed me and he said, "Keep writing to me. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:53 | |
"If you write to me, I'll always answer your letters." | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
And then he was gone, and I never saw him again. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:03 | |
My brother says, | 1:10:20 | 1:10:22 | |
"I've got to go down and I've got to identify the body." | 1:10:22 | 1:10:24 | |
And then when he came back, he said, | 1:10:27 | 1:10:29 | |
"It's Ken, you know, he's done him in". | 1:10:29 | 1:10:31 | |
I said, "What was the flat like?" | 1:10:35 | 1:10:37 | |
He went, "Oh, it was awful," he said, "it was like somebody | 1:10:37 | 1:10:42 | |
"had just thrown a tin of red paint all over the walls." | 1:10:42 | 1:10:46 | |
Kenneth's just gone mad, just hit him with a hammer. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:54 | |
Just kept hitting him with a hammer. | 1:10:54 | 1:10:56 | |
We actually found out about the murder of Joe | 1:11:00 | 1:11:06 | |
in the newspaper, | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
and we had to go in and do the play that night. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:12 | |
It was standing room only, it was packed. | 1:11:12 | 1:11:15 | |
We were running around with the body | 1:11:15 | 1:11:17 | |
and suddenly the lines all started to have different meanings. | 1:11:17 | 1:11:21 | |
And you heard them for the first time, these lines of dialogue, | 1:11:22 | 1:11:26 | |
which you hadn't noticed before. | 1:11:26 | 1:11:28 | |
They suddenly resonated in a different way. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:33 | |
And Kenneth's suicide note says, | 1:11:33 | 1:11:36 | |
"If you read his diary, all will be explained." | 1:11:36 | 1:11:39 | |
And then there's a PS that says, "Especially the latter part." | 1:11:39 | 1:11:44 | |
And the latter part is clearly missing. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:47 | |
The diary ends on August the 1st | 1:11:47 | 1:11:52 | |
and Joe was killed on August the 9th. | 1:11:52 | 1:11:55 | |
And also, it ends in mid-sentence. | 1:11:56 | 1:12:00 | |
There was missing pages, clearly there was missing pages. | 1:12:00 | 1:12:04 | |
What happened to them is a mystery. | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
I spoke to Peggy very soon after she'd had to go | 1:12:08 | 1:12:12 | |
and identify the bodies, or Kenneth's body. | 1:12:12 | 1:12:18 | |
She said to me, "I don't want to talk about it, darling. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:21 | |
"All I can tell you is that there was blood on the ceiling." | 1:12:21 | 1:12:24 | |
However, she had the presence of mind to slip Joe's diaries | 1:12:24 | 1:12:31 | |
into her capacious handbag, under the noses of the officials | 1:12:31 | 1:12:35 | |
that had taken her to the scene of the crime. | 1:12:35 | 1:12:39 | |
I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what happened to the | 1:12:39 | 1:12:44 | |
missing pages - who had them? Were they destroyed by Peggy? | 1:12:44 | 1:12:49 | |
But I've come to believe that it may be that the | 1:12:49 | 1:12:52 | |
diaries are the things, the object themselves, that were the issue. | 1:12:52 | 1:12:59 | |
Orton wrote these diaries at a desk that was unlocked. | 1:12:59 | 1:13:04 | |
The diaries were there clearly for Halliwell to read. | 1:13:05 | 1:13:11 | |
I think the diaries were meant, strategically, | 1:13:11 | 1:13:15 | |
to help Orton leave Halliwell. | 1:13:15 | 1:13:20 | |
You could say it was an act of moral cowardice. | 1:13:20 | 1:13:22 | |
"Dear Peggy, the journal, this must be guarded. | 1:13:25 | 1:13:28 | |
"As he was writing it, on your advice, | 1:13:28 | 1:13:30 | |
"so as pray God you are literary executer, this will be protected. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:34 | |
"My love, Peter." | 1:13:34 | 1:13:35 | |
Certainly I think that Peter Willes | 1:13:38 | 1:13:40 | |
almost single-handedly brought about the murder. | 1:13:40 | 1:13:43 | |
I would nominate Peter Willes as murderer number one | 1:13:46 | 1:13:49 | |
because he made no hiding of his contempt for Ken... | 1:13:49 | 1:13:54 | |
..and his exclusion of Ken. | 1:13:56 | 1:13:57 | |
I know that Willes, sort of, was aware... | 1:14:00 | 1:14:03 | |
..that Kenneth was ill. | 1:14:05 | 1:14:09 | |
Mentally ill. | 1:14:09 | 1:14:10 | |
Peter Willes was attacking Halliwell | 1:14:10 | 1:14:15 | |
almost on a regular basis. | 1:14:15 | 1:14:19 | |
I mean, there was a real undermining of Kenneth Halliwell. | 1:14:19 | 1:14:25 | |
And he referred him to his doctor, | 1:14:25 | 1:14:27 | |
a psychiatrist called Dr Ismay, | 1:14:27 | 1:14:32 | |
and Ismay said that he was in a psychotic state | 1:14:32 | 1:14:37 | |
and he was a complete, utter mess, really. | 1:14:37 | 1:14:41 | |
Ismay was more than likely relaying to Peter Willes | 1:14:41 | 1:14:48 | |
what was happening with Kenneth Halliwell. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:52 | |
Peter Willes, I've known him for a long time | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
and anybody he sends me, I tend to bend over backwards. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:59 | |
Halliwell, yes, he was unable... | 1:14:59 | 1:15:01 | |
He wasn't functioning. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:03 | |
He was in a deep depression, | 1:15:03 | 1:15:05 | |
serious enough to consider admission to hospital, and I may have | 1:15:05 | 1:15:11 | |
interpreted that way because of what Peter Willes told me. | 1:15:11 | 1:15:17 | |
I think there was something Machiavellian going on | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
with this doctor. | 1:15:20 | 1:15:23 | |
I think Peter Willes is a nasty piece of work. | 1:15:23 | 1:15:27 | |
I thought he was suicidal, but I never thought he was homicidal, | 1:15:28 | 1:15:32 | |
so can you imagine the shock? | 1:15:32 | 1:15:34 | |
I felt, in a sense, responsible, although I wasn't, | 1:15:35 | 1:15:39 | |
but no idea that it would end in such a horrific murder. | 1:15:39 | 1:15:44 | |
Gruesome. | 1:15:45 | 1:15:47 | |
In the last two days of his life, | 1:15:47 | 1:15:52 | |
there are a series of events... | 1:15:52 | 1:15:56 | |
..affecting Halliwell. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:00 | |
He was about to be sectioned the following day. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:05 | |
Because when I described to the psychiatrist on the phone | 1:16:05 | 1:16:09 | |
about this man, Halliwell, he thought | 1:16:09 | 1:16:13 | |
he sounded seriously ill enough to warrant immediate admission. | 1:16:13 | 1:16:19 | |
I spoke to Halliwell that night three times on the telephone | 1:16:19 | 1:16:23 | |
to find out how he was, it might have been, | 1:16:23 | 1:16:27 | |
and then setting up the arrangement and then letting him know, | 1:16:27 | 1:16:31 | |
and then he phoning me back wanting to cancel it. | 1:16:31 | 1:16:35 | |
Him realising that he was going | 1:16:35 | 1:16:39 | |
to be separated permanently from Joe | 1:16:39 | 1:16:45 | |
and that sent him... | 1:16:45 | 1:16:50 | |
..just... | 1:16:51 | 1:16:53 | |
It was, if you like, the straw that broke the camel's back. | 1:16:53 | 1:16:58 | |
Orton was called by someone inviting him to a party, | 1:16:58 | 1:17:03 | |
but it was not Orton who answered the phone, | 1:17:03 | 1:17:06 | |
but Halliwell impersonating Orton. | 1:17:06 | 1:17:09 | |
And the man at the other end said, | 1:17:09 | 1:17:11 | |
"Whatever you do, Joe, don't bring Halliwell." | 1:17:11 | 1:17:17 | |
He learned that Orton had betrayed him | 1:17:17 | 1:17:20 | |
and had not invited him to this party. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:26 | |
The humiliation was double that now Joe even was, on some level, | 1:17:26 | 1:17:32 | |
ashamed of him. | 1:17:32 | 1:17:34 | |
He was at a knife edge. | 1:17:34 | 1:17:37 | |
And although he called Dr Ismay back | 1:17:37 | 1:17:42 | |
and said that the pills that he'd been given were working | 1:17:42 | 1:17:47 | |
and he felt calmer, perhaps in that calm state | 1:17:47 | 1:17:52 | |
allowed him to, sort of, decide to murder Orton. | 1:17:52 | 1:17:58 | |
Hilarium Memoriam Joe Orton, | 1:18:11 | 1:18:13 | |
written and read at my funeral by Donald Pleasence, the famous actor. | 1:18:13 | 1:18:18 | |
Some met together when he died, not in the name of any god, | 1:18:20 | 1:18:24 | |
but in his name, whom they lost to the coffin. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:28 | |
The box which brought him endless mirth. | 1:18:28 | 1:18:30 | |
The lesson which he could not read again. | 1:18:32 | 1:18:34 | |
Hilarity in death. | 1:18:35 | 1:18:37 |