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Back in the Dark Ages, disabled people were marginalised, patronised | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
and told to put a brave face on it. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
'Charlie Coffey has been on his back for 58 years but he can still laugh.' | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
But in today's politically correct, playfully ironic world, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
attitudes towards disability are very different. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
How did you get up there? | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
I fell. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
50 years ago, people with disabilities lived in a parallel universe of invalid carriages, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
callipers and charity. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
We weren't throwing stones at people in wheelchairs, but that sense of, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
"He's not like me, we must give money." | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
You can't do that because you're in a wheelchair. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Since then, language has changed. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
I started out as just plain blind. I became visually handicapped | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
and visually impaired, someone with a sight problem. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Humour has changed. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
'It's the start of the 1500 metres for the deaf.' | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
STARTER PISTOL IS FIRED | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
Images of disability on TV have gone from this... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
I want to be a baddie and point with my evil finger. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
-..to this... -It must be lovely to see her laughing. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
-..via this. -If you've never seen a severely handicapped person trying to speak, it can be a bit alarming. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
Oh, over here! Over here, puppy! Oh! | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
"Get her off! She's frightening our children!" | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
But how did these changes happen? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
It was nice to get the Sports Personality Award. It would've been nicer if I could have got on stage! | 0:01:27 | 0:01:33 | |
We've had box-ticking, positive discrimination and - the token wheelchair. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
'For many disabled people, stairs present a painful ordeal, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
'so the Central Council For The Care Of Cripples, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
'who are pioneers in the use of equipment for the handicapped, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
'have imported from Denmark a wheelchair that acts as an escalator.' | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
Society's attitude towards disability has changed, thankfully, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
and not least on our TV screens. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
There's been a revolution and perhaps the biggest change has been how we talk about the handicapped. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:08 | |
No, the differently abled. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
You know, those with special needs. You know what I'm talking about! | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
-Why, what are you? A spazzy? -No... | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
"Spaz", "spastic" we used to use all the time. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
"Crip", "raspberry ripple", "spaz", "mong". | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
"Flid", "spastic", "mong", "spacker", "spaz", "spasmo". | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
It's all about the intention and the context. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
For me, kind of "mong" is pretty nasty. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
People who had Down's syndrome were referred to as "mongols". | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Nobody was embarrassed by it because that was the word. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
But now... God, it almost stuck in my throat to say it! | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Girls at my school used to run up to me and go, "You're a spastic!" | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
And I doubt I would have felt much better, had they gone, "You're differently abled!" | 0:02:54 | 0:03:00 | |
I was the school flid, obviously. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Quite a luxury. There was only 400 of us. I guess my classmates were pleased they got a proper flid. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
People would say to me, "So what's it like then? | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
"How do you manage being unsighted?" | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
And I'd go, "Unsighted? That makes me sound like a football referee!" | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Will you... Yes, you... | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
..please help spastics? | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
If language has become more inclusive, so has society. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
In the past, disabled people weren't integrated. They were different, other, out of sight, out of mind. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:37 | |
'Yes, please help spastics.' | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
Growing up in the '70s and early '80s, there was that feeling, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
the little boy stood outside newsagent's, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
the little sort of thing you could donate money to. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
That was a big icon of the age. There was a sense of otherness, "That boy's not like me." | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
And often, it was a dreadful thing, people had shoved chips into the slot where the money should be | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
because that passed for recreation back in the '70s. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
Disabilities of all sorts were other and somewhere else | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
and not quite of this world. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
Disabled people were certainly a lot less visible then because of the way in which we were educated, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
because you were much more likely to be institutionalised | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
as a disabled person in those days. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
TV reflects society. Go back 40 years and one of the only representations | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
of disability on the small screen was set in a manky Midlands motel. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
Crossroads character Sandy Richardson was Britain's most famous fictional wheelchair user. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:45 | |
Is it really as dire as it sounds? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Sandy, with the croaky voice, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
was a bloke in a wheelchair who went from reception to the bar and back again. I watched it with my granny. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:57 | |
Crossroads Motel, can I help you? | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
My first memory, as I became a wheelchair user, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
was watching Crossroads which was compulsory viewing in our house every teatime | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
and Sandy Richardson being the token wheelchair user, but it was all very patronising. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
It felt tokenistic and it looked tokenistic | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
and it didn't bear any resemblance to my life and how I was treated. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
Oh! Oh... | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Tokenism - definitely something to be avoided then. Well, if I knew what it was. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:29 | |
If you parachute a disabled performer, character into a show | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
and all they get to talk about is their disability, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
then that's tokenism, I think. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
And that smacks of not necessarily being progress. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
There was one super-cool wheelchair user out there in the '60s and '70s, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
policing the strangely accessible streets of San Francisco - | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
Robert T Ironside. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Ironside, I remember, was very ahead of its time, actually - | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
somebody who wasn't a baddie, was in a wheelchair, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
was very smart and was a detective, so it actually broke lots of moulds. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
He never, ever lost a case, Ironside, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
so, you know, book your lawyer in a wheelchair. That's what I'd do. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
He was an action hero to me as a kid. Anything on the telly was exciting. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
He couldn't do the high kicks like Emma Peel in The Avengers, but you'd still cheer for him. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
I remember watching Ironside and being quite young, thinking that is absolute nonsense. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:35 | |
It was quite cool cos he had an accessible van. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
Oh, van envy? It's not big and it's not clever! | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
I don't know what people in '70s Britain were complaining about(!) | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Ironside may have had his wheels, but they had these! | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
-# Make way for Noddy -Noddy! | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
# He toots his horn to say... # | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
They weren't quite cars. They were sort of bubble car type things. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
Unfortunately, we called them "spaz chariots", which is awful, but I'm just being honest. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
They were fibreglass. You could tip them over quite easily. They were meant for one person. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
You wouldn't want to take any friends anywhere cos disabled people don't have them(!) | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
I remember talking to a couple once. Both were in chairs. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
They had to drive places separately as you couldn't get two wheelchairs, two people in one of these things. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
It's like walking round with two big arrows pointing at you, going, "Disabled, disabled!" | 0:07:28 | 0:07:34 | |
Those little blue cars were funny. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Whoa! Oh, shit... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
But ouch! Is that a twinge of guilt? Does laughing at disability make us bad people? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
What would Thora Hird do? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Being able to laugh at disability is OK in every circumstance | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
that it's about social attitudes to disability. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Are you laughing at the situation or the context, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
or because you can't identify with somebody you think is a freak? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
-You know my legs? -Hmm. -Do you know how many I've always had an' that? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
Like two legs or some shit like that? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Well, I've only got one leg now. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Random. LAUGHTER | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
In my view, all comedians deal with disability | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
because I think doing comedy itself is a disability. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
I mean, it's basically borderline Asperger's, comedy, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
because you're looking at the world and not connecting with it emotionally, basically. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:35 | |
Thinking that you can't make comedy out of disability, to me, is like the ultimate discrimination. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:42 | |
It's like, "What, we're all so delicate, we're going to collapse in a heap and cry?" | 0:08:42 | 0:08:48 | |
As a disabled person, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
loads of bizarre stuff happens to you. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
And if you didn't take the piss out of it, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
you'd go mad. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Anything goes now. You don't care where people are from, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
if they have disabilities. Doesn't matter in comedy. Are they funny? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
A lot of comedy has a victim | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
and often the victim is someone who's different. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
Here's a joke. A man goes to the doctor. He says, "I can't say my TH's or F's." | 0:09:16 | 0:09:22 | |
The doctor says, "Well, you can't say fairer than that then." | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
And that's a joke, in a sense, about someone with a lisp, I suppose. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
'And here we are at the 3,000-metre steeplechase for people who think they're chickens.' | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
Tastes do change, though. 40 years ago, the Pythons were the hippest act on television. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
But would this sketch get through television's PC radar today? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
'They've settled down. They're on the water jump...' | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Monty Python is my favourite comedy series ever. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
'And here is the start of the first event of the afternoon - | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
'the second semi-final of the 100 yards for people with no sense of direction.' | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
You arguably see the changing attitude to disability | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
when you look at some of those original sketches. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
It's on slightly soggy soil. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Today, we're much more up front, or is it knowingly ironic, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
about how we laugh at, or is it with, the differences of disability. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
-Hi. Nice to meet you. -Good to meet you. This is my fiancee Claire. -Hi. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
Hi. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Extras and The Office are not documentaries, even if The Office may look like one. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
They are fictions we have created. We have sent those scripts to actors who have agreed to be in them. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:43 | |
They never turn up and we spring it on them that we'll make a joke about their height or disability, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
so they're comfortable when they arrive to do it. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
-Are you sure this food is free? -Yes. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
-This is my agent. -Darren Lamb, nice to meet you. -This is Warwick. -Where? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
-There. -Oh, midget. Hello. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
When I walk on as a character, part of the humour is I'm an idiot. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
I'm talking rubbish, but there's a visual element to it because I'm much, much taller than Warwick. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
Could I fit in your house? How would it work? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Am I exploiting Warwick? Do I think he's being ridiculed in it? No. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
Perhaps some people do. I don't think he does, but there we are. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
-This'll make you laugh. -What? -Jesus, look! Pissed over there. She's had a few. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Actually, is she pissed or mental? | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
-Here she comes. -That's my sister. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
-Huh? -She's got cerebral palsy. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
No... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
All my life I'd had a real worry | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
about people laughing at my walk. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
And it was kind of like the ultimate liberation | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
to go on national TV | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
and kind of go, "OK, my walk IS funny - let's all laugh!" | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
And when I saw it, I thought, "My walk is funny. I might as well get paid for it." | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
Oh, God! What have you done? | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-What? -What's happened? Are you all right? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
No, no. No, I've got cerebral palsy. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
-Don't worry. -Oh, good! | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
I was asked a lot whether it was right or PC or naughty of them | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
to make comedy out of my character, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
but I said, "To me, I think that's the ultimate equality." | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
CHEERING | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Francesca Martinez is an actor and a stand-up comedian, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
so does having cerebral palsy mean she can make jokes | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
that a non-disabled comedian couldn't get away with? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Before I start, I should say that, in case you're wondering, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
the correct word for my condition is, um... | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
sober. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I've found that stand-up comedy is such a good way | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
to address something like disability, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
which still makes people very nervous. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-I can't play golf. -You can't play golf? -No, I'm hopeless. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Shit! | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Were you born like that? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
I definitely think only disabled people should be allowed to make jokes about disability. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
In the same sense, I think disabled people should not be allowed | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
to make any jokes about us normals as they don't know anything about it! | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
'In a large factory making water heaters, Nicholas takes his place beside a normal factory worker.' | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
In the past, having a disability certainly meant your life was very different from "the normals". | 0:13:50 | 0:13:57 | |
'Peter, who but two years previously was a helpless cripple, discarded his cage for crutches. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
'Another step towards normality.' | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Kids with disability went to special schools, even if they were hundreds of miles from home. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
That was natural - keep the happy disabled kids all together! | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
'School starts with morning bell...' | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
We were often regarded as deeply freakish. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
We were regarded as the kids from the blind school. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
We were regarded as separate from the rest of society. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
People would ask us bizarre questions like whether they gave us soup for breakfast, stuff like that. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:36 | |
And it was just an astonishing life to live, really. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
'Before coming to Coombe Farm, this girl might never have known the joy | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
'of walking without aid into the arms of her happy parents.' | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
I wish I'd gone to a mainstream school right from the start. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
I mean, I think as I got into my early teens, | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
you know, I remember thinking... "Do all my girlfriends have to be in a wheelchair? | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
"Am I only going to meet... | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
"Are these the confines that I am putting around myself? Is this going to be my normality?" | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
My parents got hold of the 1981 White Paper on Education, read it, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
found the line that said I had a right to be educated in a mainstream environment | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
and threatened to sue the Secretary of State for Wales over that right, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
so I grew up in this atmosphere where it was... "So what?" | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
That gave me a lot of confidence as a young person to do the things that I wanted. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
People have assumed that wheels mean nothing up here in the brain, you know? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:36 | |
It wasn't really until the 1980s, following developments in the States, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
that a kind of consciousness began to emerge among disabled people in Britain as well and moves... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:48 | |
People with what would be regarded as very high impairment levels suddenly started to think, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
"Hang on, we should be allowed to live as members of this society." | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
Virtually nothing is unachievable with the right access and equipment. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
You can do anything. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
One thing that surprises me is you still come up to a new building and there'll just be a flight of steps | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
and you go, "That's really annoying. You've just built that." | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
The old building, I understand, the new building, I'm furious. You're lucky I'm too busy to write letters! | 0:16:15 | 0:16:21 | |
So you want access, do you? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Well, yes, when you're about to go live on television! | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
In 2000, we celebrated our great Paralympian Tanni Grey-Thompson | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
and forgot to put up the ramp. Oh! | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
Alan Shearer was presenting. "And in third place is Britain's best-known Paralympian, Tanni Grey-Thompson." | 0:16:36 | 0:16:42 | |
Tanni Grey-Thompson. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
She couldn't get up on to the ruddy stage as there was no access for her wheelchair. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
You just think, "You could not make this up!" | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
I could see there was no ramp, so I thought, "I'll just sit here." | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
So the award was eventually brought down and it was like, "Thank you very much." | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
Just an excruciating bit of television. Heads must have rolled all over at the BBC for that one. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:12 | |
Lots of people wanted me to be angry and lash out and criticise. That's not me as an individual. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
It's more important to change things so it never happens again. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
'A fly-on-the-wall comedy about the trials of work...' | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
From then on, organisers of glitzy awards ceremonies were thrown into a panic | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
if there was the merest suggestion of a winning wheelchair approaching the stage. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Thank you to Ash Atalla, our producer. Thanks to Anil Gupta... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
I think I was the first person in a wheelchair that would be regularly nominated for awards, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
so at the beginning, it was definitely an issue. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
Awards organisers would phone me up in a real panic | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
and it became this thing where we would get a sense if we had won, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
depending on how much contact the organisers had had with me. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
I'd tell Ricky, "It's in the bag. They phoned to get the measurements of my chair." | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
You've done a wonderful thing, not for me, but look at his little face! | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Yeah? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
It's not just award-winners who have access problems. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Simply getting a casting call can be an issue for many disabled actors. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Old Ironside and Sandy from Crossroads didn't need their wheelchairs. They were just props. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:36 | |
So which was the first mainstream TV drama series to employ a disabled actor, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
playing a disabled role? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
-Was it EastEnders? -No. -Coronation Street? -No. -Brookside? -No. -I would've thought it would've been Brookside. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
-Um... -Come on. -Um... | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Come on... Do you need a clue? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
-Emmerdale? -Try again. -Um... | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Oh, for goodness sake, it was Eldorado in 1992! | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
-Yeah, this is all a wind-up, right? -No, Nessa, I think he's really serious. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
It was way ahead of its time because it was the first time | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
a disabled person ever played a disabled character, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
and it was the most normal representation of everyday life that disabled people face. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:24 | |
He's very reliable. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
It's not fair. You know what's involved and so do Dad and Blair. You're all used to me. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
I got quite a lot of fan mail where people... You can't really call it fan mail, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
but letters from people saying you shouldn't be able to live, let alone be on television. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
You have to deal with that emotionally and figure out how to react to that and not react to that, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:48 | |
not to take it personally and realise that you can't please everyone all the time. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
Some people just take offence to a disabled person. It could have been a black person or gay person. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
It was just a minority person on TV. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
Eldorado gave Julie Fernandez a regular role as a wheelchair user | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
on mainstream TV. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
A pity then that the show was panned by the critics | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and canned after only 12 months, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
which was a shame because for years afterwards, none of the soaps | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
have done disability particularly well, if at all. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
Bye! | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
"EASTENDERS" THEME TUNE | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
EastEnders is just not a great place to be in a wheelchair - | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
the square and the houses and the pub and the cobbles. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
The Stannah Stairlift is invisible because that will take up too much screen time, it'll need explaining | 0:20:34 | 0:20:40 | |
and it will make a terrible noise when the cameras are rolling. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
There are endless ways for disabled characters on TV | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
to be allowed to forget they're disabled, to oil the wheels of the story line. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
How many people go in the bar at Coronation Street in a wheelchair? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
People in wheelchairs don't drink? My foot, they don't! | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
It is that laziness of especially, I guess, those lighter soaps | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
where they're thinking, "This will make an exciting, interesting story," | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
then, "No, if we do this, he'll have to be in a wheelchair and that'll really be annoying. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
"We'll have to fold it up and put it in a car. He won't be able to go upstairs. Let's get him get better." | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
When soaps have done the disability thing, it's often not been good. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
There's a strange and sinister trend | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
where disabled characters in the soaps have been either mad or bad, or both. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:36 | |
Nick Cotton, who is demonic, Nasty Nick through and through, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
fell off a viaduct, then was in a wheelchair temporarily. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
I think that sort of comes under the "punish the evil character by giving them something awful to cope with". | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
"Describe the problems you have and the help you need with your toilet needs." | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
I don't know. You put something. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
Chop off the arm, chop off the leg, shove him in a wheelchair | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
and then as the baddie, they've got their karmic comeuppance. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
I've never felt evil cos I'm a wheelchair user. There's probably plenty of people who think I'm evil. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
I think that's where there's a very fine line between how you show disability. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
I hate shows, for example, where a character has an emotional flaw, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
so they put him in a wheelchair and he meets an understanding woman | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
who teaches him how to love and suddenly he can walk. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Or he was blind, then his eyes were opened metaphorically and literally. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
You know, I can't stand that crap! | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
# Oh, neighbours... # | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
I'm sorry, Kiruna. The Aussies aren't any more enlightened. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
In Neighbours, Paul Robinson had a foot chopped off. Well, he had been rather naughty. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
Affairs, more affairs, leaving his wife an hour after the wedding, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
splitting up his daughter's relationship, control freakery, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
ruthless business, trying to ruin Harold's business. If anybody needed their leg off, it was that man. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:05 | |
It was quite a move. We hadn't seen it done on another soap before. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
It's allowed the character to seem even "badder", | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
that he's been disfigured and punished in such a terrible way. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
A very moral universe. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
-# Because I'm bad, I'm bad -Really, really bad -You know I'm bad... # | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
This bizarre morality is not just confined to soaps. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
Great writers, including the Bard himself, were at it. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
"Now is the winter of our discontent..." | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Shakespeare, what he was doing there was making a connection between disablement and badness | 0:23:36 | 0:23:43 | |
and that has been made over the years many, many times. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
James Bond - all the baddies had something. They always had a sort of weird eye or an eye patch | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
or something that made them not right, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
so there is a kind of link which is a bit wrong. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Captain Hook's lost a hand. He's got that scary hook. And the Daleks are pretty evil. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:07 | |
-Exterminate! -And they've got the meanest wheelchairs I've ever seen. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
The supreme creature, the ultimate conqueror of the Universe, the Dalek! | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
The Daleks were created by Davros who was a wheelchair user | 0:24:17 | 0:24:23 | |
and he creates a race of psychotic killing machines in his own image, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:30 | |
which, you know, I can't say I've ever been tempted to do that. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
I can't seem to find the time, really. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
No! | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
No! | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
I quite like the '70s "disability equals evil". | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
I'm an actor, British and disabled. That's as calculatingly evil as it can be, yet we don't get the parts. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
Strange attitudes about disability aren't confined to the dramatic cliche. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
In 1999, England football manager Glenn Hoddle was reported widely as having wacky views, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
linking disability to some sort of cosmic justice. It cost him his job. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
The Football Association sacked the England coach Glenn Hoddle because of his remarks about reincarnation. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:16 | |
He reportedly implied that disabled people were suffering for sins committed in a previous life. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
I accept I made a serious error of judgment in an interview | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
which caused misunderstanding and pain to a number of people. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
A sort of moment of bonkers-ness. It was so inappropriate and not that long ago. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:36 | |
One can't help thinking that there were a few people out there, "Yes, he speaks the truth, that Mr Hoddle." | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
These are ideas literally back from sort of witch-burning days. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:49 | |
-Whoa, what's the rush? -It's nearly time for Big Fun Time... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Those whose opinions about disability owe much to the teachings | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
of the Witchfinder General are still out there. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
I'm pretending to be a puppy. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
-I can see some long... -When Cerrie Burnell became a children's TV presenter, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:08 | |
it was meant to herald a whole new age of acceptance on television. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
For Cerrie, it was the job of her dreams until some parents complained it was giving their kids nightmares. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:18 | |
It's almost time to turn off the torch and say "night-night". | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
I got a phone call saying, "Have you read The Daily Mail today?" | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
I expected something, certainly, but I wasn't sure what form that was going to take. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
But I don't think anyone quite expected... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -..the chaos of what ensued. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
And I mean, it was very funny, really. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
No-one wants a hate campaign against them, but it does get you fabulous PR. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
"Does anyone else think the new woman presenter on CBeebies may scare the kids because of her disability?" | 0:26:49 | 0:26:56 | |
The thing is, when you grow up with a disability, you've heard it all. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
There's nothing that you haven't heard before and I suppose in some ways you develop a thick skin to it. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:07 | |
Her stump is one of the most hideous things I've ever seen and it makes me want to vomit. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
You wouldn't want these near any children. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
She's got a bit of a stump. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
She's a great TV presenter. End of. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Now here's the gallery. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Kids' TV has, on the whole, been showing the grown-ups | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
how to integrate disability into the mainstream. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
There was Vision On using sign language. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Thanks for sending your paintings. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Ant's blinding in the shocking incident with the paintball gun on Byker Grove. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
-I can't believe how well... -I don't want a medal for living my life. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
And there was Grange Hill, giving Francesca Martinez her first break. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
You clumsy idiot, it's all over my skirt! | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
I always think children are far more accepting of difference. I think they're more honest about it. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:05 | |
They'll come out and say right away, "What's wrong with your leg?" | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
Then you tell them and they go, "Oh, cool." | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Do they notice if someone's got a gammy leg or only one arm? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
Or no fingers? Do they hell! They just get on with it. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
You know what they want to know most? If it hurts. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
When they know it doesn't hurt, they relax. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Then they want to see how you do stuff, then you show them a few things. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
You say, "Mummy took a bad pill," or whatever the reason is for your impairment, and they're quite happy. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:38 | |
You explain to children what that's all about and they go, "OK, Mummy," and they move on. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
Invariably, adults have the attitude problem. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Sometimes the adults just try too hard. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
In the '70s, Blue Peter featured Joey Deacon | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
who had cerebral palsy and had written a remarkable memoir. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
It was, no doubt, a well-intentioned attempt at educating the nation's kids about disability. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:10 | |
It backfired spectacularly. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Joey, you've achieved two of your ambitions. Have you got any more? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
STRAINS TO SPEAK | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
-Write children's books. -You're going to write children's books? Wow. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
It sort of backfired in that children started calling... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
..anyone who experienced any trouble kicking a football or anything "a Joey". | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
As someone with cerebral palsy, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
yeah... | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
that really didn't do us any favours. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
I was relieved, personally, when it became a playground insult. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
Cos if you were a Joey... If you were slow at maths you were called a Joey. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:04 | |
The flid thing was all about being crap at sports. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
So it was like, phew, I got a term off. Know what I mean? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
I'll be down the pub probably. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
What? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
It can be, well, awkward dealing with disability. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
Why are you speaking like that? | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
-It's a voice box. -It's great fun. Do you get those at a toy shop? | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
-I haven't got any vocal chords. -You sound like the girl in The Exorcist. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
I think that's what we all really, really fear. The last thing we want to be is patronising. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:39 | |
That creates a lot of awkwardness. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
"Do I shake her hand? Do I... Shall I just kiss her? What shall I do?" | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
Chaps have come up and started talking and, within a few minutes, asked if I'm capable of having sex, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:53 | |
which I find quite extraordinary. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
"Do you have a boyfriend? Can you have sex?" | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
Really intimate stuff like, you know, like I'm going to talk about...really personal details | 0:31:01 | 0:31:08 | |
about really intimate areas of my body just because they're curious. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
I remember I was in the supermarket and this woman came up and said, "Did your mother do drugs?" | 0:31:14 | 0:31:20 | |
I said, "I don't know. Ask her." | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
When people go, "Shall we go for a walk?" And...I get what that means. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
That doesn't bother me in the slightest, but it horrifies people. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
Or, "Step over here." That's fine. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
I don't even flinch. If somebody goes, "Shall we go for a walk?" and I go, "Well, I can't walk! | 0:31:34 | 0:31:40 | |
"Don't be stupid," that would be a stupid, pathetic reaction on my part. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:46 | |
I'd much rather people said, "Ooh, what charming flippers you have. I'm sorry, I mean hands," | 0:31:46 | 0:31:52 | |
than not say anything at all. And flippers is fine. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
This is phocomelia. It means seal-like limbs. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Seals have flippers. It's fine. It's why I don't like playing Canada. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
They might club me round the head. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
-Nice of you to come. I hope you're being looked after. -Meet Bob. He owns a garden centre. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
Recent British comedy taps right into our difficulties with social awkwardness, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:21 | |
from Alan Partridge to the multi-award-winning The Office, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
using disability as a source of often cringeworthy comedy. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
I think what The Office does brilliantly, in fact, what Ricky Gervais always does brilliantly, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
is shine the light in these areas we don't really want to look, don't really want to go, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:41 | |
but we know we should. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
It was great on many levels, really. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
It was such a clear indication of what not to do with a friend who's a wheelchair user. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:52 | |
AKA the disableds. You know, a lot of money goes to these fellas. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
Not you. You're working. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
But if you do claim you could probably claim for other stuff. Just don't abuse the system. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:05 | |
Ricky was always amused by my wheelchair. I'm amused by it. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
So we did Series One and there was no disabled character. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
When we started talking about Series Two, Ricky said, "I think we might bring this girl in a wheelchair | 0:33:14 | 0:33:20 | |
"from the Swindon branch to join Slough." And I remember at the time just thinking, "Oh, God..." | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
We brought in this character of Brenda because we wanted Brent | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
to be confronted in a way with someone in a wheelchair | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
and then just watch him kind of... interact with her, really. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
She's joining in with it. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
-Put this on? A little nose? -No. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
It's up to you. Up to her. Her own decisions. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
He's selfish. He's thinking about himself. "How can I use this disabled person to make me look good?" | 0:33:49 | 0:33:56 | |
Not the right way to approach it. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
ALARM RINGS We'll get you out of here. All right? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
So... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
'I think when disabled people watch | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
'those sorts of situations,' | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
they work for us as well because they're very familiar situations to us. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:17 | |
Ohhh. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
This isn't worth it. It's stupid. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
-Obviously in a real situation we'd take her all the way down. -Can't I just use the lift? -No. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:27 | |
-Not even in a drill. Never use a lift. -We'll be out... | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
'I remember that day very clearly.' | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
I was saying to Steve and Ricky, "Please let me say something," | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
and they're like, "It's stronger if you stay silent." And it was quite strong. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
But the thing that scares me the most is that I've had disabled people come up to me since then | 0:34:55 | 0:35:01 | |
and say that actual thing has happened to them. You think, "No!" | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
That's happened to me. "Don't worry. We'll come back if we see flames." | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
I'd rather get out now, just in case! | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-Welcome to Alcoholics Anonymous. -'There's one scene in the pub' | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
and he goes, "I'll just move you out," and just pulls her away from the table. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:26 | |
'And you just think, "Don't do it!"' | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Oh, that's probably what... turns into it... | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
So, looking forward to the weekend? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
That actual thing did happen to me. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
I remember saying to the boys, "I was just in the pub the other night and a guy wanted to get by | 0:35:40 | 0:35:47 | |
"and I was just drinking and I suddenly found my wheelchair being pulled." | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
That is the most offensive thing that anybody can do to me. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
It's not what they say, but do not move me. Do not touch my chair. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
I've been in a function where somebody sat behind me with their foot on my wheel, just rocking it. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:08 | |
'Because they thought it was nice. And I get really quite annoyed. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
'That just feels like I'm having all my power and control taken away.' | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
I watched it and thought, "Finally, it's actually a real portrayal | 0:36:18 | 0:36:24 | |
"of life in a wheelchair for a young girl." | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
"That's all right, Dad. We don't mind buying a drink for a cripple." | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
But he said, "Eh... | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
"B-But I ain't a cripple, son." "You will be if you don't buy the next round." | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
Comedy's made a big journey over the past 40 years | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
from the prejudices of '70s clubland through the politically-correct '80s | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
to the freedom now to make jokes about pretty much anything. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
Oh, many of you are a bit shocked. You're close to fainting. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
Those guys, the political correct guys and alternative... | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
Alternative comedy? | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
Alternative to what? Laughing? | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
They were commentators and not comedians. There's a lot more comedians coming through now. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
And it's really good to see. Good to see. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
Good comics that make you laugh! And that's what it's all about. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
You don't laugh at the disability. You laugh at the people doing the lines about it. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
Comedy and people's attitudes were so...wrong, basically, is the only way to put it, in the 1970s | 0:37:26 | 0:37:32 | |
that you could watch someone on TV making jokes about black people and women and homosexuals | 0:37:32 | 0:37:39 | |
and disabled people and there needed to be a reaction against that | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
and it was to go probably too far the other way. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
If you grew up with the late '70s right on-ness and then Ben Elton | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
being terribly, wearyingly politically correct in the '80s, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
to actually have the kind of jolt of reality of something gloriously politically incorrect | 0:37:56 | 0:38:03 | |
like Peter Kay's Britain's Got The Pop Factor, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
a spoof talent show where there were contestants called Two Up Two Down... | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
Two Up Two Down! | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
# Tragedy When the feeling's gone And you can't go on, it's tragedy! # | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
'It just made me weep with laughter and a lot of other people as well,' | 0:38:22 | 0:38:27 | |
but the sense of that being slightly not allowed was very strong. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
-You're 100% through. -1,000% through! | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Yes! Thank you! | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
Oh. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
TOM BAKER: If you have a verruca and would like to share it with others, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
why not pop down to your local swimming pool? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
'Oh, look, it's me! Gosh, I'm hairy. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
'Pushing the comedy envelope that little bit further has been me and Matt as Lou and Andy.' | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
Em, excuse me? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Andy from Little Britain was the last properly contentious disability thing my mates got pissed off about. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:11 | |
I thought it was quite funny. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
I wonder if you'd give me a hand. I'm here with a friend who you may see is in a wheelchair. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:20 | |
And I need a little bit of help getting him in and out of the pool. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
I did find it very funny when he ran up the diving board and dived in | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
cos actually I do know a few people who, em...who are a bit like that character, actually. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:35 | |
But he does have a slight fear of water. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
You know, he... | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
'That seems a bit cruel to me and a bit unnecessary.' | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
That is a very funny sketch | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
and I'm slightly annoyed with myself for laughing, but it's funny. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
The humour has got nothing to do with the wheelchair. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
It's because he's a lazy slob! | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
And this wonderful, caring chap who is pushing him everywhere, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
when he turns his back, he goes off and does something quite eccentric. That is funny! | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
It's like their disability is their need for each other | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
and that's what makes it funny | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
and human and real and quite sad, really. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
What's really interesting about Lou and Andy is that all the complaints | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
were from non-disabled people. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
'What Lou and Andy were doing was OK | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
'because they were actually subverting the care system. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
'And for me that kind of worked. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
'I've never had a disabled person find that remotely objectionable.' | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
Did you shower? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
-Hey, hey, hey, hey! -What? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
-What? -Give me that back! -I'm a Vietnam veteran! Leave me alone. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
I'm a Viet... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
'In World Shut Your Mouth I did have an electric wheelchair' | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
and I dressed up as a Vietnam veteran who supposedly had no arms, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
but basically was a shoplifter. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
When he'd go down supermarket aisles, everyone would ignore him | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
and then my real arm would just steal things from people's trolleys. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:19 | |
Sorry. It was funny. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
Yes, Dom, that was very naughty. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
Mind you, it is tempting sometimes | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
to put on a limp, just a little one. Think of the advantages! | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
One good thing about being in a wheelchair is you get a lot of stuff free. You get plus one at the cinema. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
And that is for a carer. That's what they call it. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
So I've often made female friends dress up as nurses. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
At drama school, I'd pretend to faint in pubs and they gave you a brandy. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
It was my cheap way to get drinks. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
We've all parked in a disabled spot outside a supermarket and got out and had to do a stupid limp. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:02 | |
All you need is that blue badge. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
One can park right outside the shop and on double yellow lines. Brilliant. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
Being able to go to the front of the queue in Disney is not bad. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
First time, I had this huge guilt complex. It was, "Oh, no..." | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
That's the Britishness as well. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
Other perks of being disabled - the mercy shag is always a good one. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
Had a few of them in my time. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Thanks, Sarah, Natalie and Mary. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Well, I would never do that. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
But I do confess to once - just once - using a disabled loo. Sorry. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:40 | |
-You can't use the disabled! -Why not? -It's illegal! | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
We've all been guilty of using the disabled toilet, let's face it. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
It's nice and big, you can take your coat off and there's always a mirror. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
It's a good place to have sex in if you pull on the night. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
That's the way to look at it. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Shocking! That's the last time I use one. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
These facilities were hard fought for and not for people too cheap to get a room. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:11 | |
When I was young, as a wheelchair user, there weren't accessible toilets. Anywhere. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
I remember being in London as a child with my mum and dad and someone saying, "Try Paddington Station." | 0:43:16 | 0:43:23 | |
That was nine miles away. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
When you turn up to a disabled toilet, it's almost always engaged. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
And 90% of the time the person in it isn't disabled. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
I can give you that as a statistical fact. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
'Rather than coming out and limping, they just peg it to get out of sight very quickly.' | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
Ohhh. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
-KNOCKING Hello? Are you all right? -I'm disabled! | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
Those emergency cords exist and I have pulled one by accident. | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
You think it's a light | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
or it might be... I don't know. It could be a flush. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
I'm wise to it now. You'd think if anybody would know not to do it, it would be me, but I have. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:13 | |
Ohh... | 0:44:15 | 0:44:16 | |
-Oh, my God! What happened? -I fell off the toilet. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
'Graham Linehan, who writes The IT Crowd, loves the absurd.' | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
And a small decision that Roy made led to him going back to Manchester on a bus | 0:44:24 | 0:44:31 | |
with a group of disabled people. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
'That's what makes it at the end. It's the pain that Roy is under. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
'He knows that he's done immense wrong and yet, because he's on a very, very slow-rising lift, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:46 | |
'he just has to front it out.' | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
Hello, there! I didn't see you on the way out. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
# I'm all right, just dance... # | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Some people might say, allegedly, and we're not saying this ourselves, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
but there is one famous person who has perhaps, how shall I put it, been very upfront | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
about their disability in the celebrity arena - Heather Mills. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
# Just dance! # | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
The way she goes about it is she picks something that she's not really cut out for, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:26 | |
has a go, it doesn't matter if she's shit. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
It's still going to be inspirational. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Lots of people out there who are amputees, leg amputees, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
could see that she did it and probably quite well considering | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
and it helped them, I'm sure, to realise that if she can do it then they can do it. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:48 | |
So from that point of view I'm really grateful to her. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
Dancing on one leg on ice - I can't even stand up on ice. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
On my hands and knees I'm terrified. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
Deep respect. I know I should think she's brilliant. She is a great role model to all disabled people | 0:45:59 | 0:46:05 | |
and to her daughter and I loathe her. I can't help it. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
She's a good inspiration for people who want to grab a husband. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
In the dark and distant past, if you could put disability together with entertainment, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:19 | |
what you ended up with was the freak show. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
Putting disability and entertainment together today is an unlikely pioneer - Big Brother. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:30 | |
Big Brother - blindness, Tourette's. Never had a wheelchair, have they? It's that MASSIVE staircase! | 0:46:32 | 0:46:38 | |
In 2006, Big Brother announced its first disabled contestant - Pete Bennett. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:50 | |
He was on there, let's face it, because he's got Tourette's and it's good TV. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
I'm not... WHISTLES, BEEPS | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
I'm not going to win. I'm not. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
I think it was great telly. He won because he was a great personality. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
What started off being a novelty act... He was ticking a box. "Get a cute guy with Tourette's." | 0:47:07 | 0:47:14 | |
By the end of the show we knew him so well that you forgot that every other word began with F. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
I came in here to have a good laugh, to have a good time. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
Shut up, ya BLEEP! Shut up! | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
In 2008, Mikey Hughes took up the Big Brother challenge. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:33 | |
'The reason I went to Big Brother is, obviously, being blind' | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
I feel blind people are shoved away... They're almost forgotten about in society. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:43 | |
I wanted to launch myself onto the mainstream. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
CROWD CHEERS | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
I came runner-up. 1.5% away from winning the show. One of the closest finals ever. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:57 | |
I think I got that far because I did entertain, probably not because I'm blind. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:04 | |
He was intensely patronised by people "helping" him. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
What was fantastic was to see him puncturing these preconceptions about a person with disability. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
-I see from a different perspective now. -Definitely. -I can see why Mikey is tired. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:19 | |
The sympathy vote is the big worry in a way, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
but I suppose if you do win the show and get the 100 grand cheque, you think, "Nice sympathy vote!" | 0:48:23 | 0:48:31 | |
That's one of the joys of Big Brother that they give disabled people the right to be equally flawed, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:37 | |
mean, nasty, grabby, selfish as anybody else. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:42 | |
Aaaoow! | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
If Big Brother is an unlikely champion of disability portrayal, here's another surprise. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:50 | |
# Hearts of Gold | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
# Hearts of Gold! # | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
For many people there's nothing worse than a bleeding heart charity show. Prepare to be patronised. | 0:48:55 | 0:49:01 | |
'You get disabled people being given these dreadfully tacky' | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
hearts of gold simply because they'd lived their lives against the odds. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
The irony there is that the reason they lived lives against the odds | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
was because... not because of their bravery and ability to triumph over tragedy, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:22 | |
but because of the barriers society started to put in their way. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
We, as a nation, have got ourselves into, I would say, looking at disabled people as charity. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:34 | |
Never squat down as a disabled person in the London Underground. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
People will put money between your legs. Sometimes that's quite good, if you want chips and a pint. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:46 | |
In the '70s and '80s you saw a lot of portrayals of disabled people | 0:49:46 | 0:49:52 | |
but they were part of charity telethons | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
and quite patronising documentaries | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
and appeals on Blue Peter, that sort of thing. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
And when disabled people started to have a voice, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
to a great extent | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
all of those programmes went away. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
50 years has seen enormous changes in how people with disabilities are treated, talked about | 0:50:22 | 0:50:28 | |
and portrayed on the TV. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
And there's no going back. In 2009, a comedy drama series, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
a spoof reality show with Kiruna Stamell | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
and Mat Fraser, broke new ground. It was credible, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
controversial and without a token wheelchair in sight. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
Starring six disabled actors, it may have just changed television drama forever. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:52 | |
Six disabled characters all played by disabled actors, all played very well. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:59 | |
'Hugely engaging performances and people being what they are.' | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
What made you decide to do it? | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
I didn't want another programme with Born Agains moaning about how they used to be able to see or walk. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:13 | |
Nothing was taboo, so you got to kind of see a world that you don't very often get to see. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:20 | |
'The disability was always there and it was always onscreen | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
'and it did have an impact on the characters,' | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
but it was the other aspects of their life - their friendships, their relationships, who they were - | 0:51:27 | 0:51:34 | |
that also got space centre stage. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
Oh. A nice run. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
Going to take it nice and slow. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
'In this day and age, if a character is disabled, they try to get an actor with that impairment to do it.' | 0:51:44 | 0:51:52 | |
Hopefully, spacking up, cripping up or whatever you call it, that's over. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
But if more disabled actors get jobs, there's a problem. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
Until now, playing disabled has been a sure-fire route to an Oscar for the normals. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:09 | |
Isn't it going to be discriminatory if they can't do this any more? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:14 | |
Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
Oscar. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
Dustin Hoffman, Rain Man. Oscar. John Mills, Ryan's Daughter. Oscar. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
-Yeah. -Seriously. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
You are guaranteed an Oscar if you play a mental. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:29 | |
Kate Winslet in Extras points out that the quickest route to an Oscar is to play a disabled person. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:36 | |
You know... | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
Famously... You know, in 1931 there was a film called Freaks, a great film. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
It still holds the Hollywood record for the most disabled actors in it. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
And there's a bloke in it called Johnny Eck who has no legs. Pretty freaky. You'd look. I'd look. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:55 | |
Apparently, the film rights to his story have been bought by Leonardo DiCaprio. That's what I heard. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:01 | |
Probably the only way he'll get an Oscar. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
When able-bodied people play disabled characters, they win an Oscar. That's slightly weird. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:11 | |
And, you know, you can even look at an able-bodied actor playing a disabled person and think, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:17 | |
"It's just about the BAFTAs." | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
Now if you cast somebody in a disabled role that was non-disabled, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
you'd be straight into a news studio having to defend yourself. You can't get away with it now. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
And that's progress, isn't it? | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
Adam! I was getting worried. Charley said he dropped you... | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
More progress - soaps are featuring new disabled characters with believable storylines | 0:53:37 | 0:53:44 | |
played by a new generation of disabled actors. Hurrah! | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
-Yeah, I do shake hands. -I knew that, I knew that. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:53 | |
It's brilliant that we have disabled people playing disabled characters in EastEnders and Emmerdale | 0:53:53 | 0:53:59 | |
and Hollyoaks. It's about time. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
It's been 17 years since Eldorado. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
For me, that really represents mainstream acceptance. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
And the mundanity of a soap, in a way I think it really allows | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
for the representation of disability to be much more naturalistic. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
Statistically, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:20 | |
there should be about four or five characters in there who are disabled. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:27 | |
And gradually we've seen that happen with EastEnders | 0:54:27 | 0:54:32 | |
over the last couple of years. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
She presumed I was a few noodles short of a chow mein. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
I love Hayley in Hollyoaks. She is having more sex than, well, me. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
It disproves that old myth that you're welded to your wheelchair | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
with no feeling from the waist down. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Frank, how credible are those claims? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
Disability is in the news as well. Literally. Look, there's ace reporter Frank Gardner in his chair | 0:54:56 | 0:55:02 | |
and don't the BBC love showing it? You never see Fiona Bruce's legs, but you always see Frank's wheels. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:09 | |
Frank Gardner's quite a good example of how things have changed. In the old days, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:17 | |
if there was an impairment they'd do a really tight shot on just the eyes or something. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:23 | |
"Don't show the difference!" | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
Now they're like, "Look! Look! We've got a disabled correspondent | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
"and we're very proud of him and his disability, which we're equal about!" | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
Where there's discrimination | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
sometimes tokenism is the only way to begin to shift that. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
I think it's worse not to have anyone on that's different | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
for fear of being tokenistic | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
than it is to be labelled tokenistic. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
Statistics show that approximately one woman in ten doesn't hear as well as she should... | 0:55:52 | 0:55:58 | |
It can be complicated, this brave new world of inclusion. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:03 | |
Cast a deaf actor in a deaf role and you can still get in a right old muddle. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
Recently I was casting a deaf actress. Some actresses came in | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
and they were deaf, but didn't sound deaf. And they would say, "Do you want me to deaf it up?" | 0:56:13 | 0:56:19 | |
And I found myself going, "Yeah, could you sound a bit more deaf?" | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
They'd go, "You know I am deaf?" I'd say, "But you don't sound deaf. If I cast you, I'll get in trouble | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
"for not casting a deaf person, so sound deafer." | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
We have got quite a long way to go, but it is so good to see | 0:56:34 | 0:56:39 | |
that finally some disabled people are getting into really good positions. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:45 | |
George W Bush. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
-Thank you. -If you're a disabled performer and want equality, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:52 | |
that does mean you're going to be judged equally with everyone else... and might not like what you hear. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:59 | |
There used to be a reviewer for the Evening Standard who did a brilliant quote about something I was in. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:05 | |
"Normally I believe in seeing the personality, not the disability, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
"but Mat Fraser's biggest disability is his personality." Very good. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
It's good to make jokes like that. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
There's more freedom to explore it maturely. You don't have to be as cut and dried now. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:22 | |
You're allowed ambiguity, subtlety. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
I don't want special treatment because I'm disabled. I'd like a fair crack of the whip. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:31 | |
It's like civil rights movements in America in the '60s. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
Would Obama be President if it wasn't for the civil rights action in the 1960s? | 0:57:35 | 0:57:42 | |
So I hope to be Prime Minister one day. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:46 | |
-# Reasons to be cheerful, part three -One, two, three... -# | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
From Big Brother to Downing Street is some career curve, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:56 | |
but as celebrity wannabes like Mikey brazen it out, | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
it does seem that on TV and in the wider world, the person is emerging from behind the disability. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:06 | |
BOTH: Happy birthday! | 0:58:06 | 0:58:08 | |
When children's TV presenters want to move on to adult work, | 0:58:08 | 0:58:13 | |
they kind of do FHM or whatever. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
I mean I just would never do that, but...I think it's funny that that's the question I'm asked. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:21 | |
"We've seen your arm. Now let's see your tits." | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
And that, dear viewer, is progress. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
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