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This fallen oak tree is about to become a piece of work | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
devised by one of Britain's most original sculptors. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
A real idea has spirit energy in it, and they compel me to make them. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
They actually bring that energy with them. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
David Nash sees unique forms in each tree that becomes available. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Over his 40-year-long career, he has fashioned over 2,000 sculptures, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
many of them monumental in scale. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
He also breaks with convention. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
He burns the forms he creates. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
He creates works of art that take decades to evolve. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
He purposefully creates objects that might not be seen. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
He allows nature to pick up and continue the sculpture | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
where he and his chainsaws left off. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
His take on organic form is at once very literal, he's got literal wood, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:17 | |
and as well as literal, it's metaphorical and symbolic. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
It stands for that world of experience, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
of the natural and the organic. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Nash's sculptures have the hallmarks of both man and nature. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
They can be found all over the world | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
from prestigious national collections, to the bottom of rivers. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Being able to just make the stuff that comes out of him | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
and not to be unduly influenced by fashion | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
and what other people say or think or do. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
To David Nash, wood is more than just a raw material. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
It's led him to a deeper understanding of the properties of trees. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
His sculpture is a true collaboration with the forces of nature. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
For most of 2010, the Yorkshire Sculpture Park | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
was the location of David Nash's biggest exhibition to date. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
263 pieces, representing every stage of his career, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
were gathered from all over the world. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
200,000 people have visited the exhibition. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
As well as being a survey of an important career, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
it was also a showcase for new works. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Six months before the exhibition opened, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Nash was making new works on site at the park. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Turning ideas into form, creating monumental sculptures, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
and a permanent work in the landscape. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
The steps being put into place here will serve a practical purpose | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
as well as being aesthetically pleasing. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Could you put it back? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
About an inch and a half. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
By the beginning of May, a reunion of sculptures on loan | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
from collections all over the world, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
were assembled in the halls and galleries of Yorkshire Sculpture Park. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
They have travelled here from as far afield | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
as California and Shanghai. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
The idea is actually more flexible than the material, I've found. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
You've just got to get a sense of the idea into it. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
It's no good trying to be exact, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
because the feeling of an idea is not exact. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
It's just a compelling force. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
In 1978, the Arts Council made a film about an up-and-coming young artist. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
This film sits alongside Nash's own archive of film, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
video and photographs, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
which track the development of his ideas and working methods. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
30 years later, he is still studying the trees with a forensic eye. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
Nash has identified some raw material | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
that will soon be given new life as sculpture. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Long before it was fashionable to be green, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Nash was determined to work only with wood that nature made | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
available to him - trees blown down by the wind, or killed by disease. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
Only then will he consider its potential for sculpture. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I would never take a tree if there was no reason to take it down. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
I can only really engage with it once it's down. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Then I go over it like a dentist looking at teeth, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
checking the rot spots and what these forms are. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
The art of making a sculpture, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
for me it's trying to make an object which is more here. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
There are ways of doing this. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I never polish the surface because | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
my eye just slides off it. A rough surface. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
It needs to have holes and cracks in it which will draw the viewer in. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
It's got to have an animation, which is actually in the original tree. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
You've got to allow the echo of the source to resonate. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
The chainsaw is a heavy, cumbersome tool. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Not the obvious choice to create delicate surfaces and texture, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
but Nash wields it as adeptly as a painter would a brush. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
What a lot of artists are interested in doing | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
is trying to gather information, to explore certain situations | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
in order to arrive at a position of greater knowledge | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
or insight about the world. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
What is unique about David Nash | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
is that he's chosen to focus his investigations on one particular material. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Wood obviously, and on the places and the situations | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
in which wood can be found. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
The work leads me. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
I've always been aware of possibilities. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
They just wink at me all over the place. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
If I'm alert to them, I can catch them. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Locating a fallen tree with potential for sculpture, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
is the start of a hugely complex process. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
A massive oak tree has fallen into a river | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
near Nash's home in north Wales. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
He needs a team of expert tree surgeons | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
with a serious tool kit to access it. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
This is dangerous. These are very, very heavy pieces of wood | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
and these people are very skilful. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
It's like you're investing an energy, and investing a focus | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
into the material, so that material to me becomes very special. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
I've invested a lot into it. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
It's not like any piece of wood, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
it's a THE piece of wood. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
Those trees are probably 100 years old, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
so it's got a story, its own story. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Its form is because of where it is, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
and because of where it is, it's fallen down. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
So that's all part of its narrative. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
I make mainly abstract work, but there is a strong narrative | 0:07:52 | 0:07:59 | |
to the sourcing of the material | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
and that the narrative goes into the form. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
I try and always source my wood from trees | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
which have become naturally available, like this. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
It feels ethically OK for me to source my wood from this place. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
David? Just going to put the second... | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
The actual dismantling of it, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
there are practical facts that I have to go with. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
Sculpture is a physical, factual art. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
You're working with substances which live in real space, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
which have real weight, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
so the actual sourcing of the material does condition the sizes | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
of the pieces that I can then start with. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Wood is a traditional material | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
used by craftsmen and sculptors since ancient times. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
But in Nash's hands, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
trees become works of conceptual art with a primeval power. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
I usually start by making something I've done before | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
because I don't have the anxiety of trying to find a new idea. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
It just gets it all flowing, it gets the sawdust flying, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
and it just connects me physically with what I've got to work with. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
Then after three days, usually, new ideas start to come. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
They're coming from the circumstance of that place. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
David Nash is associated with the British Land Art movement of the '70s, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
where landscape and art are inextricably linked. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
But for him, art was a bid for freedom to follow his own path. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
What's behind being an artist is being a free human being. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
So that was my real quest. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
When I was a youngster reading about artists, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
these artists seemed to be free. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
Typical thing of a teenage, English, middle-class boy | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
being sent to a boarding school. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
My experience was this overwhelming sense | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
of being controlled and moulded and modelled. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
So I was at war with anything that pushed authority towards me, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
or assumed authority over me. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I had to take authority. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
That still lives in me now. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
The essential thing of an artist is to work out | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
of their own personal journey and freedom. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
In 1967, David Nash moved to a remote slate mining town | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
in North Wales that he'd known as a child. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
Blaenau Ffestiniog. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
His main motivation for moving here was an economic one. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
The derelict slate quarry workshops were full of cast-off planks | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
of wood, a godsend to an impoverished young artist. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
So hence my working as a scavenger, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
not paying any money for my materials. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Not trying to work in steel or bronze, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
or materials which actually would cost me. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
And I found this really suited me, in that I was picking up something | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
that had been discarded or had no value, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
and I could bring some qualities to it. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
I didn't really know whether this was art or not. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Blaenau Ffestiniog is in an area | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
with the highest recorded rainfall in Wales | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
and is situated at the foot of mountainous | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
heaps of slate waste from the old industry. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Moving to this grey, wet town after art college in London | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
was the perfect antidote to London's competitive art scene. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Coming to Blaenau was like coming to somewhere where nobody was watching. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:41 | |
I was very naive and I started building a big tower here, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
because obviously that was very evident, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
but I felt I was separate enough to try this out. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
Hence the first tower was like an epic statement. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Like trying to write a whole opera, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
a huge philosophical statement, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
and this moving through these various layers, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
going up through the legs and the guts and into the head and into the heavens. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:12 | |
The tower was the start of it all, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
the seed from which ideas would evolve into a vast family of sculptures. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
What you have here, starting with this very early work, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
the first tower that he made in 1967, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
which was made up of bits of wood that he found in skips and round and about, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
this being the source of everything. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
This started to be him speaking, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
and then gradually you can see how the works expand out | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
to form the full vocabulary. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
There's a real patience here. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
This is really physically hard, arduous stuff. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
You get here a real sense of someone's life evolving | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
over a period of time, that's quite remarkable actually. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
I don't know another artist who's really traced | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
their own life's work in this way. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
In 1968, David Nash acquired Capel Rhiw, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
a chapel in the heart of Blaenau Ffestiniog. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
At a cost of £200, this would enable Nash | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
to keep his overheads to a minimum, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
and realise an ambition to fuse life and work. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Very few young artists have the opportunity of actually having | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
their materials in abundance around them and unmade work or unresolved work, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
without having to put them away | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
because they have to have the space to make the new piece. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
This bringing together of life and work | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
is something that's crucial | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
to an understanding of David Nash and his work. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
It seems to me that from the very beginning of his career, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
this is one of his stated ambitions. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
What that means is that the work not only informs the life, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
but the life informs the work. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
It gives us a body of sculpture and drawings and other projects | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
that are in a strange kind of way autobiographical, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
but they also reflect the character of their maker, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
the character of the artist. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
This is a very, very powerful quality within David Nash's work. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
David Nash married Claire Langdown, an artist who also worked with wood | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
at the time, and the chapel became a family project. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
If something interesting's going on somewhere, however far away | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
from London or New York or wherever, people will hear about it. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
Now with two young boys, life and work was one and the same thing. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
Major galleries began to be interested | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
and made the long trek to the Nash studio and home. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
People from the art world came to see the chapel, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
the work that was going on there. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
There was always something to see because he was seriously working. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
People liked the fact that he had made his house | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
and he had made his kids' toys. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
We were like a sort of a team of artists when the boys were little. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
They were involved with everything we did. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
This picture is of William in David's arms | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
while he's sawing a piece of wood. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Just that lovely thing of them being | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
able to be involved in what we were doing. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Blaenau is a very, very interesting place, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
because you come to it through | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
the extraordinary mountains of the National Park, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
and this incredible natural beauty. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Suddenly you arrive in this hole within the middle of it, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
which is this man-made landscape. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
It has a sublime quality to it. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
These vast mountains of slate. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
And it's very impressive in a fundamental way. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
I know something David talks about is that this is a landscape | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
that is made by man and nature, and that an understanding of that | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
was something that was important for him | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
in terms of his development as an artist. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
It's hard to imagine that his career would have developed | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
in the same way, had he been working in a studio somewhere in London. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
So the move to north Wales not only took him out | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
of that immediate art world context, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
but it gave him access to different ways of living, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
different ways of thinking about everything. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
I think for a lot of sculptors place, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
location of where they are, is very important. It runs deep. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
Particularly with Blaenau, which is like an enormous sculpture, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
where people have delved deep into the ground | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
and brought out this material. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
If you go down into those quarries, which you can do, it's solid stone. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
They quarried it out, down, down, down there, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
blasting these rocks out, hauling them up, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
and then working them. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Only about 20% was actually usable and this is the 80% waste. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
These beautiful diagonal lines have just found themselves | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
out of millions of loose pieces which have just tumbled down, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
thrown away, but they've ended up with a very precise geometric form. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:52 | |
So there's a tight and looseness about it at the same time. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
There is a paradox. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
In my work, I just do enough for the form to show itself. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
So it could be made up of many parts, like the red dome for example. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
There are over 150 pieces there, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
and they're quite loosely put together. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
The order is their size, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
but they can go in any order so long as the sizes grade upwards. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
So there's a looseness in the way of putting it together, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
but there's a tightness in the form. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
I think the beholder finds this dichotomy, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
this paradox, very satisfying. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
For me, when something is satisfying, it's meeting some sort of need, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
of a seeking of a signal of truth. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
The tips look as they do from the process of their making. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
That, to me, was my fundamental clue on how to work. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Keep my mind on the process | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
and let the resulting object take care of itself. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
What it looked like could take care of itself. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
So long as the process itself was clean and true and pure, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
I could trust that and let the object be | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
and not worry it after I'd finished the process. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
The early work, Nine Cracked Balls, was the breakthrough piece. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
These lumps of wood might appear on impressive, but to David Nash, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
they were the spark of inspiration that has guided his work ever since. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
The log, being a tree, you cut down with an axe. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
Fallen, so the end is axe shaped. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
Axe cut. So I just axe cut like that, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
cutting in, rolled it over, so then I can cut the underside. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
So when that lump came off... | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
..it was actually the pure result of the process | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
of chopping a lump of wood off, a length. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
And then when that came off, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
I then had this rounded shape repeated. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
So I just did it again and did it again | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
until there were nine. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
And I'd stored them in a sort of heap in the studio, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
and I'd sort of forgotten about them. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
And then, six months later, they had all cracked, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
so they were all there like grinning at me. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
And it was like saying, come on, David, this is the way to go. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Go with us. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
So I did. So this is my first step, and that is the key. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
So I got them out, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
and I found that I could put them three rows of three. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
They really made sense. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
I mean, they spoke to me. I sort of did it as a one off, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
and then didn't really | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
know whether that was real. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
I wasn't confident about them, then. But I am confident about them now. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Because they were my first step on the path, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
and I've just gone step by step. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
So as long as I stay true to the path, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
the path seems to be staying true to me. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
Now the Nine Cracked Balls are an important part | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
of any museum exhibition that shows the development of Nash's ideas in sculpture. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
And Nash's vision, embodied in his early towers, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
is echoed in these later works that extend high into the gallery space. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
I think what one's got to remember about his stuff is that it's quite precise. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
So, this business of there being a letting-go element, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
where he isn't controlling it, is countered by very clear thinking. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
Art is often about leaps in the dark. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
You could imagine | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
his career starting in a rather stumbling way, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
that he discovers something that leads to something else and so on. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
And he isn't entirely confident that he isn't just | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
sort of chancing it a bit. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
And as the practice builds up over time, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
he becomes more confident of the overall picture of what he's doing. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
But he wants to retain that element of chancy-ness. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
I think that is a very successful component of what he does. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
But what is lovely and important and profound and admirable | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
about what he does, for me, is the way that he can grasp | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
this element that occurs a lot in modern art, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
the really chancy and the really, "Well, I don't know | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
"what will happen now, and I don't really know what I'm doing. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
"But I have enough confidence in what I've done up to now | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
"to take that chance and make it work." | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
But while Nash sculptures travel all over the world, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
their home is the chapel. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
At any one time, up to 400 pieces reside here. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
But the sculptures come and go in an ever-changing dance, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
that makes this place the centre of a global sculpture network. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
The chapel is an extraordinary place. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
One has quite as sort of uncanny feeling going into the chapel | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
for the first time, because it feels almost as if it's occupied | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
by hundreds of living things. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
A kind of congregation, if you like, of work that's thronged there, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
seem to have this unusual vitality. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
So you immediately walk into a space that is full of the smell of wood, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:38 | |
the rich, warm, tones and colours of wood, but it's sort of animated. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
This is the kind of thing that really struck me about it | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
when I first went there - this sense of vitality. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
In preparation for the exhibition at Yorkshire Sculpture Park, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
most of the sculptures were wrapped up and sent on a chapel outing. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
-Doing a tidy job there. -Yeah. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
One local, Lord Dafydd Elis-Thomas, was amazed by what he saw | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
going on in the chapel | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
when he was the MP for Blaenau Ffestiniog in the 1970s. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
I just walked up and looked through the windows and saw these, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
obviously what were works of art. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
And I was immediately captivated by it all. Then I got to know David. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
I keep being reinvigorated whenever I meet him or see his work. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
Not just a passing interest in the chapel, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Lord Elis-Thomas's father was a minister here. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
'I'd always had it drummed into me, by my father, that this is where our roots were. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
'And, of course, this particular chapel' | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
was the great temple of the Presbyterian Church. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
And that's a verse, of course, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
"Holiness, sanctity, behoves your house", would be the translation. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:17 | |
But, of course, the holy in religion is something spiritual. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
Art, I think, is a close cousin of that drive | 0:25:20 | 0:25:26 | |
towards the spiritual, in human life. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
And I think it's very appropriate. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Well, obviously, it's why he did it, he kept it there, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
because he saw a synergy between what the chapel was in the past | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
and the spiritual activity that was here, and the creativity, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
verging on the spiritual, which is in his work. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
I love the idea that there is in this chapel now a new congregation. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
David tells me there at least 400, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
which must make it the best-attended chapel for miles around! | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
In the mid-'70s, David Nash began working on a piece of land | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
called Cainacoid. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
This became a site where he could experiment with sculpture | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
that exists outside of the gallery experience... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Living sculpture. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
He started exploring this concept by planting a circle of ash trees. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
After decades of nurturing, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
the concept that he had imagined in his drawings has taken shape | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
and the Ash Dome, a living sculpture, has been realised. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
Through these living works, Nash has a deeper understanding | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
of his materials, incorporating the elements more fully | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
into his understanding of wood and trees. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
'What a tree is, it's a weave of all the four classic elements | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
'of the earth and the air | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
'and the light/fire element and water. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:13 | |
'They are woven by the energy of the tree, the will forces of the tree. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:20 | |
'It engages with these elements and some are incredibly resilient,' | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
like the ash tree. Its will forces are incredible. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
If you cut them right down at the root, they will just come again. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
If they are damaged, they will just deal with it. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Other trees are more sensitive and don't necessarily recover. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
So this is what has drawn me into... | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
..the elemental forces, this is what nature really is. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
And it is relentless. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
These forces are relentless. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
'Planting the trees, this was something very new to me and very exciting. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
'So with the Ash Dome, that was really my realisation that I could | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
'grow a form, a space, from sculptural principles, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:13 | |
'rather than topiary and gardening, and I could use those skills | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
'and the skills of hedging to make a space for the 21st century. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
'This is 1977 - gloomy times, then.' | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
People were saying, "We're not going to see the 21st century". | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
So this was like a rather naive act of faith, of projecting, then, a concept, when it started. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:35 | |
A concept which would grow, if it worked. I didn't know if it was going to work, if I could really do this. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
But if it did work, it would mature in the 21st century. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
I think the way that he set up that circle of trees, he's brought his sensibility, his experience | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
and his thoughtfulness and soulfulness, to something | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
which could be glib, and made it really lovely. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
It has a man-made structure, that sort of circle, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
but it is beautifully structured. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
And that structure pays homage to the way that nature | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
is always patterned and structured in the first place. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
And we always appreciate those inherent structures of nature. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
On the other side of the valley to Cainacoid | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
and a year after planting Ash Dome, another concept that would also have | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
a lasting impact on Nash's work was taking shape. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
The Nine Cracked Balls had driven Nash to discover what would happen | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
when a very large volume of wood dried out. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
He cut a big lump from the base of an oak, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
with the intention of taking it to his studio. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
While rolling it down the hill, to get it to his van, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
the rough mass of wood became wedged in a stream. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
It looked good here and Nash decided to leave it. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
Now, nature was in control. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
Consecutive storms washed it further downstream. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Nash followed the wooden boulder, recording it on a journey | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
that lasted 25 years, until it reached the river. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
Now, heading to the sea. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Well, the Wooden Boulder is geometrically a spherish thing. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
If it was a cube or a triangular shape, it would be manufactured, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:27 | |
but it looks enough like a boulder | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
to be naturally there. It's, sort of, it's in disguise. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
That's the other thing about my outdoor pieces. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
This is low visibility. I am not very interested in making | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
big red things outside, which shout at you. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
These earlier works particularly, Wooden Boulder and Ash Dome, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
are very discreet and have low visibility. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
The Wooden Boulder, people would walk past it and think it was a boulder, and that's fine. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
The boulder was travelling an average of eight miles a day - | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
four miles with the outgoing tide and four miles back on the incoming tide. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:07 | |
The artist recording it each time it found a new place to settle. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
In June 2003, it was lost and presumed to have broken free of the estuary | 0:31:14 | 0:31:20 | |
and made it out to the Irish Sea and on into the Atlantic. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
The film Nash had made of the Wooden Boulder's | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
erratic progress became a video installation | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
and marked a broadening of the artist's work into multimedia. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
The Wooden Boulder, that's really a hands-off sculpture, whereas the Ash Dome is a hands-on one. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:44 | |
Part of the concept was that it was a sculpture that would need me to be with it. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
It is an artist-attached sculpture, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
whereas the Wooden Boulder is an artist-observing sculpture. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
But in 2008, Wooden Boulder was rediscovered | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
in the River Dwyryd, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
trapped among the branches of a fallen tree. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
The conceptual element is extremely important. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
It's about the artist setting a process off | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
and telling us what he's done and then, sort of, leaving it. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:16 | |
We can follow it or not. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
We can imagine it or not. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
Nature kind of just makes it happen. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Now with the Wooden Boulder rarely visible, there is also the chance, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
of course, that it will once more disappear from view altogether. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
When David Nash | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
creates a wooden boulder that moves around, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
so that you are not quite sure what is the sculptural thing exactly | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
about it - is it the form of that object | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
or is at the context in which the form is seen? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Or is it just the idea that the boulder is moving around? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
When he's got those ash trees in a circle and they're growing all the time, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
every time you come to them, they are slightly different. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
Most people will never come to them. They are just a story. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
They have heard about them. They appreciate the idea. So you're not quite sure, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
with those particular works and other ones that he's done, what exactly is the sculptural element. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:12 | |
It could be many things. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
One is open to all of them, because one is convinced by what he's done. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
So he has, in effect there, quite successfully redefined the definition of sculpture, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:24 | |
with the Ash Dome and that moving wooden boulder. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:30 | |
As an artist, Nash has chosen a very difficult means of expression. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
Unlike a painter, who can rub out mistakes on a canvas and start again, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Nash is committed to each cut he makes. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
Mistakes are not an option. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
A tree is pulling up hundreds of gallons of water every day, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
so when it's been cut down, that piece of wood has got a lot of water in it. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
It takes about two years for that water to actually evaporate out into the air. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:04 | |
The dry air is pulling it out, so when the water content in the wood is equal to the water content | 0:34:04 | 0:34:11 | |
of the air, then the wood will settle. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
David, he gets a bit of wood, he does something to it, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
but something goes on happening to that wood after he has done that thing. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
So the wood is doing something to itself, as it were, or the natural processes | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
that occur to wood in nature are part of the work. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
Water is evaporated from the wood, so it splits. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
The fact that wood does go on changing over time is, sort of, something that we all know | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
and we all experience and all appreciate and rather enjoy it, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
when wood is in its natural element. And him harnessing that | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
and making that into a gallery experience, is... | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
I don't know if this is the right word, but I'll use it anyway, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
it is, sort of, profoundly enjoyable. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
There is something about the very simplicity of the way he has done it | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
that one can appreciate and one finds convincing. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
These crack and warp columns | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
are water and air pieces. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
They go into my kiln, which is heated under there. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:19 | |
There is a dehumidifier. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
And the crack and warp column will be sitting in there like that. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
This air is very dry - v dry. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
And it is pulling it out very, very fast. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
I also found that | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
it will preserve a colour, which then remains afterwards. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:40 | |
If it dries more slowly in a room, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
it can dull. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
The actual wood can dull. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Indoor sculptures, in controlled conditions, behave in | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
a different way to sculptures Nash makes for the outside, where the elements are active on the work. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:03 | |
When Nash has carved a new piece for an exhibition, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
like this Crack And Warp Column at the Yorkshire Sculpture Park, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
it's not unusual for the sculpture to crack loudly | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
as it changes shape during the course of the exhibition. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
Throughout the '70s and early '80s, Nash worked alone. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
But, with his reputation growing, and, with it, a demand for him to | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
exhibit in other countries, Nash was to realise the benefits of bringing a team together to create the works. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:34 | |
So I found myself going to Japan, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
which was amazing. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
And being taken up 6,000 feet, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
in February, to see a fallen tree, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
and I had a team of woodmen. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
They didn't speak English. I don't speak Japanese, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
but we both speak wood, so this was a revelation. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
I wasn't using any skills that they were foreign to. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
They were more skilled than I was with these basic methods of moving wood and cutting wood. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:03 | |
So, over a period of three weeks, I enacted a wood quarry | 0:37:03 | 0:37:09 | |
and the results were shown in the Tokyo Museum. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
This way of working, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
that Nash discovered in Japan, was to become a hallmark | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
of his approach to creating the work in the coming years. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Looking at the opportunities a fallen tree offers him, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
like a prospector looking at the properties in an outcrop of rock, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
Nash creates a number of sculptures from one tree. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
With labourers and heavy machines employed for the job, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
a focused industrial atmosphere is created around the site. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
Nash came to call these events "wood quarries." | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
The motivation to create them was a simple and practical one, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:53 | |
but it gave Nash the opportunity to investigate new species of trees | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
and begin to create works | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
on ever-greater scale. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
'In 1996, I was asked to' | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
take a tree down in Ascot, at a school there. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
It was a vast oak tree, which had died. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
In the mid-1990s, a long-term friendship and working relationship | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
grew between the artist and a tree surgeon from Sussex. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
This friendship is still enabling Nash to develop ambitious ideas. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
Alan Smith continues to source Nash's materials at his yard, sharing a passion for wood. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:02 | |
I love it, love it from start to finish. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
I couldn't imagine my life without it. I love wood. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
I once said to David, when I first met him, I thanked him for opening my eyes, really. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
To me, felled trees were logs, went off to a sawmill, if you were lucky, and that kind of thing. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:26 | |
Art is so much better than that, because although wood in houses and building houses are great... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:33 | |
..art and in particularly, David's art, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
when it's well looked after, just goes on and on and on. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
I love the idea that something that has come down in the woods | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
has got a new life and continuing in that way. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
Working the oak in Ascot, like a seam of slate in the quarries of Blaenau Ffestiniog, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
Nash created some important art here. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
A number of sculptures went to private collections. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
The Tate also acquired a large work | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
and, another key piece, King and Queen, was made here. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Wood doesn't just mature and change. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
It is programmed to decay. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
At the Forest of Dean, David Nash was given the opportunity to explore this aspect of the nature of wood. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:27 | |
There are these extraordinary works that he has made, which have their own decay and destruction | 0:40:27 | 0:40:35 | |
built into them, which is a radical idea, in terms of making art. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
You're going to make something that you know will not survive. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
They will rot, they go back into the ground, they become humus and it's all part of a cycle. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:52 | |
If you make a wooden table to have in your home, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
you're borrowing the material out of that cycle, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
you bring it into your home and, then, if you put it back outside again, it'll go back into the cycle. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
We borrow this material and 90% of what I do is indoor work | 0:41:04 | 0:41:11 | |
because there is longevity in the wood. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
This is where I like it to be seen. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
These indoor sculptures | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
need to be seen indoors. What I do outside has to be very specific | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
to the circumstances of where it's sited. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
The outdoor sculptures, with circumstances, like the Black Dome | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
in the Forest of Dean, there was charcoal burning there. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
That gave me a clue about charred wood having something to do with | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
the burning and the charcoal fires that domed. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
I made a charred wood dome. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
900 pieces of larch - public place. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
I was warned that we had to secure it in. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
Every bit's is wired to the next bit, so they can't be pulled out. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
What I wouldn't anticipated was people walking on it. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
After two years, it was worn and looked like a stroked cat. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:05 | |
Then there was the health and safety issue. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
To solve that problem we filled it with coal, which is a local material. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
So, it's had an evolution. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
The clue was that if you put a sculpture like that in a public place, people will walk on it. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
The next opportunity I had | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
was in America, at the Laumeier Sculpture Park. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
And actually work with the fact of people walking on it | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and eroding it. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
That led on to the steps at Schoenthal, in Switzerland, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
and the steps in the coal at the Yorkshire Sculpture Park. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
One of the new works Nash created for the Yorkshire Sculpture Park, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
was the permanent piece, Black Steps - | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
71 charred steps, embedded in a coal drift. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
An allusion to the former local industry and the major source | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
of wealth in the coal seams that run underneath the park. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
Scorching, charring and burning have all been used by Nash to dramatic effect. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
It makes sense that he wants to harness the forces of nature to make art. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:23 | |
His art is about nature and it is, literally, made out of nature. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
As with a lot of other things that he does, it's about honing down all the possibilities | 0:43:26 | 0:43:33 | |
that he could do, in an era of utter freedom, where art can be anything you like. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
Honing down, so what he does has consequence and is readable and coherent, even though it has | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
elements of light heartedness or elements of mystery and, indeed, sometimes elements of bafflement. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:50 | |
He wants to make all that convincing. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
Saying "fire is a priority for me or air or water, because those | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
"are natural elements", he's not being a mystical or pretentious. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
He's being marvellous and poetic, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
but also there's a commonsense element to it. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
It's a way of highlighting the theme of nature. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
Charring requires focus and precision. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
As well as the element of danger | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
to the artist and assistants, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:20 | |
there's a great risk of destroying the sculpture. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
When you have a wood sculpture, you see wood first, form second. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
When it's black, you see form first... | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
..then the material. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
Think of those burnt works, the smell of the charcoal | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
and the feel of charcoal, that thing that we're familiar with, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
that density of it, which he's monumentalised, captured and isolated it. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
You sense that burnt, dense, fiery, charcoal dead quality on a very deep level. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:02 | |
You enjoy that very much, so that you're seeing something, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
a very particular form that is made out of burning, but you're feeling something. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:13 | |
You've got a combination of the mind and the senses and a sort of soulful response. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
He's capitalising on that. He knows that is so. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
He knows that we're equipped, as humans, to experience art in that way. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
I would say that's operating in everything he does, but it's extreme in the charcoal and burnt things. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:32 | |
There's the level of smell, the level that we imagine | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
what it would be like to touch it, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:38 | |
even though we're not actually touching it. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Scorching, charring and burning have all been used by Nash to dramatic effect. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
In 2001, Nash created a powerful charred piece - | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
a personal response to global events. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
With 9/11... | 0:46:08 | 0:46:09 | |
..the television and the newspapers were just full of these images | 0:46:11 | 0:46:18 | |
and it was very powerful, particularly for me, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
with the falling, that awful falling of those two towers, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
this grinding, and the fact that there were people in there. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
I was in the middle of a very big | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
three-block tower piece, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
a big beech, and I cut a slice off the side squaring it. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
The piece that came off looked like | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
one of the images, which became a talisman of that event, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
these three spires of that structure, these new crosses, I call them. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:54 | |
It only took a few cuts to make it. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
These images started pouring out. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
I felt it was completely separate | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
and there was an emotional experience, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
which I hadn't had before in making it, because the whole of the world was feeling this. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:13 | |
There was this pure response. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
I have always seen that as a separate body of work, certainly not for sale. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:22 | |
Seeing them in the Yorkshire Sculpture Park, there's still | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
that echo of that feeling that I had when I was making them. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:30 | |
It's still there and they really do seem to speak to people. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Many of Nash's sculptures | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
ARE for sale and are seen in exhibitions around the world, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
where placement is part of the artist's craft. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
With a gallery show, the pieces together have to make sense together, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:03 | |
because I'm doing it for whoever is coming in, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
to come into a particular atmosphere, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
in the spaces between the things, how they resonate off each other. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:14 | |
There is a theatrical aspect to it, but they are, nonetheless, autonomous, individual objects, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:20 | |
which in a commercial gallery sense, these are pieces that people can take into their own lives. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:26 | |
Some collectors buy with an eye on the investment | 0:48:26 | 0:48:32 | |
and that is an aspect of it, but the true collectors | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
are the ones who just love art and they love to have it in their lives. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:41 | |
To have three such simple elements | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
caused me to say, "Wow!" | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
The moment I saw them, across the pond in Wales, in the mist, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
it was just a "Wow!" I immediately started going through in my mind, | 0:48:56 | 0:49:04 | |
"Where on my property could I give this incredible sculpture a perfect home?" | 0:49:04 | 0:49:11 | |
I took quite some time to figure it out, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
because it's a very large piece and I don't have large, flat pieces | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
of land waiting for a piece like that. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
Roger Evans is one of Nash's most enthusiastic collectors, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
shipping sculptures to his home in California. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
It's the subset of artists that are interested in real dialogue with a collector, such as myself, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:38 | |
and, for those, I think they really enjoy | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
understanding, on what level... | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
..a collector, like me, responds to their work. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
Often, it is at a level that they haven't thought about, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:57 | |
particularly for somebody who collects art | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
in a non-intellectual way, such as myself. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
What they get from me in terms of feedback is raw emotion | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
and I think people like David probably appreciate that a lot. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:12 | |
Roger Evans has found that living with Nash's sculpture, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
the collector can connect with the work and feel part of the experience. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
In particular, some of the works that continue to live | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
after they're made, the Crack and Warp pieces, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
the pieces that are still wet when they are finished, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
and depending on what local they end up residing in, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
they really do continue to have a life, as they dry and crack and move about. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
And there's a wonderful interaction, I've noticed, between the people that live with that work. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:48 | |
The more time you spend looking at a great piece of art, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
the more you see in it - unlike wallpaper. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
Each of these responses to one of the pieces of art keeps | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
enlarging the experience of living with that particular work. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
Oh, he is a cult figure, he has a huge following. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
Some of the people that come to his openings, I'm not sure | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
I'd ever see them under any other circumstances, it's quite fantastic, really. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
You can tell they just engage instantly and the language of wood, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
that David does mention on many occasions, truly is its own. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
The United States is now not just a marketplace | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
for Nash's works - it's a supplier of material. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
With magnificent species, such as eucalyptus, growing in abundance | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
in California, trees regularly become available. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
And Nash has his scouts. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
As well as access to massive fallen trees, Evan's Wood Yard has the | 0:51:54 | 0:51:59 | |
specialist expertise and equipment in this transatlantic partnership. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
I had the pleasure of meeting David for the first time, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
maybe three or four years ago. I didn't realise that we'd been | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
building his candy store this whole time! | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
But he did, as soon as he drove in. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
It is fascinating, in working with him, in that the conversation goes both ways. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
Sequoia trees have been growing for thousands of millennia in their forms, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:57 | |
but now I walk in for a forest and I'll say, "My, that's a Nashy one, isn't it?" | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
I tease him sometimes by calling him "the artomatic". | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
What I mean by that is he | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
lives it, breathes it. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
Every time, every moment of the day or night, it is always percolating. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:21 | |
A massive eucalyptus is the latest large lump of wood that Evans has sourced for David Nash. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:35 | |
The oculus block was formed out of a huge root and trunk - | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
12 tonnes, 2.4 metres across and three metres high - | 0:53:40 | 0:53:45 | |
four trees that fused together as they grew. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Now it's being installed at Yorkshire Sculpture Park. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
He started making the table pieces in the early '70s and, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
in a sense, this is the largest and the most distinguished table piece of all. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:03 | |
For me, it doesn't really need to symbolise anything. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
The thing is what it is. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
It could be nothing else in the world. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
I love that idea that David has brought together all of these different agencies | 0:54:15 | 0:54:22 | |
and then to develop the equipment that was necessary to cut the edges from it, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:27 | |
which were chainsaws, double-ended chainsaws, a motor at each end. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:34 | |
There was about 20 feet of chain on those saws. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
Two guys holding the saws, so that they were on lifts, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
and as they came down the piece, they shaved off these edges | 0:54:40 | 0:54:45 | |
and slicing of those pieces of wood in one go, | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
so that you get this incredible surface. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
The chainsaw is just to make a straight cut, but also to be able to make one simple gesture. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:57 | |
You can see the lines, the marks of the tool going uninterrupted | 0:54:57 | 0:55:02 | |
across the face and to emphasise the simplicity | 0:55:02 | 0:55:07 | |
of his minimal nature of his interventions into it. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
Almost how little it took, with the right insight, to make it into a sculpture. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
I don't know what the single element is that makes that Oculus work impressive. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:24 | |
Maybe it's scale, because it's big, but a lot of works are big. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
Maybe it's the beauty of trees, anyway, but that's a common beauty. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
Maybe it's the flourish of the way he's created it, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
that it's so cleanly done and so unfussy. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
I think it's a combination of all those things and it's | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
an example of that rare thing in art where you really feel | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
it couldn't have been done any other way. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
It's beautiful, you like it, you'd be very happy to see it, repeatedly, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:58 | |
very happy to come back to it and it lines up in one's mind, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:04 | |
along with certain art experiences, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
that make you happy to be alive, in a rather uncomplicated way. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:11 | |
There's a kind of calligraphy happening here, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
it's like a Zen calligraphy, where all of the idea, the intent | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
and the physical process of making this work | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
goes into this one, fluid moment. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
It's all very pragmatic and logical | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
and technical and really thought through and worked out. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
The end result is something that's actually really poetic and really beautiful. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:41 | |
And I love it for all of those reasons. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
On May 28th, 2010, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
David Nash at Yorkshire Sculpture Park opened. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
A very significant exhibition, bringing together | 0:56:56 | 0:57:00 | |
Nash's past and present, | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
providing a platform to launch into his future. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
He's an artist who connects to very many moments in the history | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
of culture, where nature is exalted and the relationship between mankind and nature is urgent and important. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:21 | |
Artists don't retire. People retire to be artists. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
It's just a question of deepening the work. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
My attempt at making an epic statement with the towers is as though the room is the tower | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
and the exhibition at the Yorkshire Sculpture Park is really that tower, | 0:57:42 | 0:57:47 | |
but I'm not trying to do everything in one piece. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
I've separated the ideas out. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
When you're young, you're going to have a lot of ideas coming at you, but just get them in there, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
put them in, don't worry about whether they relate to each other. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
The ideas are so precious, you have to touch on them in some way and you | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
have the rest of your life to sort it out. That's what I've been doing. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
The Yorkshire Sculpture Park is a show of how what I've sorted out from those initial years. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:15 | |
I think in your 60s, 70s and on, this is a time for being very clear. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:22 | |
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