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'This is Dickens World in Kent - | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
'a vast tourist attraction | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
'built to take visitors inside the novels of Charles Dickens.' | 0:00:11 | 0:00:17 | |
-Hello. -Good afternoon. How are you? | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
-Good, thank you. Who are you? -Pleased to meet you. Mr Micawber at your service, sir. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
Are you Mr Micawber? Very good. And you are? | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
-'Ello, sir. I'm Nancy. -Are you Nancy? Aren't you dead? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
That's our famous Great Expectations boat ride. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
-Great Expectations boat ride? -Indeed. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
OK. Have you got the Artful Dodgems? Have you got that? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Artful Dodgems? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
May I come through? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
-You may, sir. -Fantastic, thank you very much, just get in here. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
'But surely there's more to Dickens than this? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
'More than just a logo attached to television costume dramas | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
'and West End shows about street urchins.' | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
It's so easy to label and package Charles Dickens, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
to exhibit him as some sort of Victorian showman, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
a one-off, a dazzling talent like Harry Houdini or Charlie Chaplin, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
a superstar from the past. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
I want to show that the work of Charles Dickens | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
isn't just quality entertainment for a long-dead audience. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
Dickens's world of the imagination is as complex and as dark | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
and as sophisticated as any modern city, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
and the characters he creates are as real | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
and as psychologically driven | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
as the inhabitants of any urban landscape today. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
And that's why I believe that the true Dickensian world... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
is our world. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
'Dickens, the 19th-century novelist, speaks to us now. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
'And I want to gauge his impact and relevance | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
'by talking not to literary critics and biographers but to his readers.' | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
'I'll meet those who Dickens makes laugh.' | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
"It was difficult to enjoy her society | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
"without becoming conscious of a smell of spirits." | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
So what he's basically saying is this woman stank of alcohol! | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
'The readers he stops in their tracks.' | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
The thing is, he has a very driving narrative. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
He's got to get where he's going. But along the way something like that will just BOOM! | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
'And those who suggest that Dickensian characters are still living among us now.' | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
Some of it's timeless, yeah. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
And you see it all the time. Not me, obviously... | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
No, me, definitely! | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
'Before the bestsellers of Dan Brown and JK Rowling, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
'before the literary fireworks of Ian McEwan and Martin Amis, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
'there was the spectacularly popular | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
'and critically applauded writing of Charles Dickens. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
'Dickens was the complete writer.' | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
He wrote 15 novels, he invented 989 brand-new characters, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:40 | |
he edited newspapers and magazines. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
He wrote speeches, plays, short stories, pamphlets, letters. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Sometimes he did all these things simultaneously. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Now, I haven't read all of these. I doubt many people have. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
But I don't think we should be put off by the sheer volume of Dickens's output, or his reputation. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
The great thing about him is that he had such a distinctive tone, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
such a unique style that was recognisable | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
as he tackled the big issues - | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
crime, death, poverty, riches, guilt, fear. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
And I think you can join him at any point. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Each novel to me feels like a continuation of all the rest. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
Every character just one inhabitant in a virtual world created in his imagination. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
So I think the best way to tackle Dickens is to choose your point... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
and dive in! | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
"To resume the consideration of the curious question of refreshment..." | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
'Comedian Phill Jupitus didn't know any Dickens | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
'until he decided to perform a show at the Edinburgh Festival. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
'There he would read out loud works he was seeing for the first time.' | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
"I turn my disconsolate eye on the refreshments that are to restore me. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
"I find that I must either stuff into my delicate organisation | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
"a currant pin cushion which I know will swell | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
"into immeasurable dimensions when it's got there. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
"Or I must extort from an iron-bound quarry with a fork, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
"as if I were farming an inhospitable soil, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
"some glutinous lumps of gristle and grease called pork pie." | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
I just found myself forgetting I was at a gig. And doing it live. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
He'd give reign to the most inconsequential of thoughts. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
He'd expand on ideas and they kind of build through the pieces. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
You can almost sense his thought process as he writes. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Can I just take one which is, um... Mugby Junction. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Now not many people know Mugby Junction. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Mugby Junction's one of the latest... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
It's not really a novel as such, is it? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
No, it's just a story about a man who arrives at this train station, Mugby Junction, | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
which becomes a bit of a sort of allegory for where he's at in life. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
"He spoke to himself. There was no-one else to speak to. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
"Perhaps though, had there been anyone else to speak to, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
"he would have preferred to speak to himself. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
"Speaking to himself, he spoke to a man within five years of 50 either way, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
"who had turned grey too soon, like a neglected fire. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
"A man with many indications on him, of having been much alone." | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
Oooh! | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
And it's just... | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
You just stop, and it's just.... | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
What's the fire thing, "like a decaying..."? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
It was, "A man turned grey too soon, like a neglected fire." | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
A neglected fire! | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
He has a driving narrative in the pieces. Got to get where he's going. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Along the way, something like that will just...BOOM! | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Stops you in your tracks. The other thing I find is | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
it's not flashy. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
We have this image of Dickens with big, long sentences, very florid, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
and it's not like that at all. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
A lot of it is very simple, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and suddenly there's a phrase there that just... | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
-It's very difficult to go two pages without a phrase... -Yes. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
-Just giving you a little... -Yeah. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
I mean, emotionally, I felt... | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
cos when I read him, it was three years ago, I was 45... | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
I felt like an idiot for not having picked any up before. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Dickens was born in 1812. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
By the time he was 30, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
he was the most famous writer in the world. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
By then, he'd made his name and his fortune | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
with the comic tale The Pickwick Papers, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and with Oliver Twist, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
the rags to riches story of the orphan who asks for more. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
He wrote his novels in monthly instalments, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
keeping his massive audience hungry for each arresting plot development or extraordinary new character. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
He delighted them with A Christmas Carol, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
and in later novels such as Hard Times, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Little Dorrit and Bleak House, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
he secured his reputation as a champion of social justice, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
with his vivid and angry portraits of the condition of Britain. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
But there's one novel that gives us the most tantalising insight | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
into the life of Dickens himself... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
..and that's David Copperfield, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
the book he described as his favourite child. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Dickens wrote, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
"Of all my books, I like this the best." | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
David Copperfield is the most autobiographical of his novels - | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
it tells the story of a young boy going through a troubled childhood, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
but on to become a successful writer. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Now I think the closeness of the subject | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
and the intimacy of the style | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
together shine a special light on the rest of his work. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
'In the novel, David's childhood starts as a happy one. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
'Though his father is dead, he's loved by his mother | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
'and cosseted by their maid, Peggotty. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
'But we constantly see through the child's eyes | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
'as soon the world turns dark around him.' | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I remember when I started reading David Copperfield for the very first time. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
It was one of those books that, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
as it says in the blurb, you cannot put down. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
I was drawn into it and the reason was, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
it has the most accurately sustained piece of writing | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
from the perspective of a child that I've ever come across. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
Here's the start of Chapter Two, I Observe. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
This is the very young David Copperfield | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
aged about what...two, three... | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
looking up at what's around him, trying to describe his surroundings, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
his mother, and Peggotty, the family maid. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
"The first objects", he says, "that assume a distinct presence before me | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
"as I look far back into the blank of my infancy, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
"are my mother with her pretty hair and youthful shape, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
"and Peggotty, with no shape at all | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
"And eyes so dark they seemed to darken | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
"the whole neighbourhood in her face." | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
That's that thing of children, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
remembering things much larger than they were in reality. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
"Eyes so dark | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
"that they seemed to darken the whole neighbourhood in her face, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
"and cheeks and arms so hard and red | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
"that I wondered the birds didn't peck her in preference to apples." | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Again, everything is very simple at this stage. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Dickens the great wordsmith, the literary showman, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
is actually putting everything back into his box of tricks, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
and shutting that box tight. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
So everything is in monosyllables. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
"Cheeks and arms so hard and red." | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
And then that little image, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
the bird pecking at her cheeks in preference to apples. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
Of course, that's an image a child would understand. The bird pecking. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
He wouldn't have anything more sophisticated | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
to compare Peggotty's cheeks to. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
'But David's idyll shatters as his mother remarries | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
'to a cold and heartless man called Mr Murdstone. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
'And now David can only see harshness wherever he gazes.' | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
"I could not look at her, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
"I could not look at him. I knew quite well | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
"that he was looking at us both. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
"And I turned to the window and looked out there at some shrubs | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
"that were drooping their heads in the cold." | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
The young Copperfield is the camera in this picture, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
and everything we're perceiving, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
we're reading about, is done, as it's perceived, through his eyes. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
"And I turned to the window..." | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
and that thing of childhood where as you grow up, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
if you receive bad news, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
if there's been a sudden dramatic moment, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
you instantly recall the first image you saw at the time, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
an image that, no matter how insignificant it appears, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
still burns there in your heart with significance. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
This whole process in these first few chapters of David Copperfield | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
is not just a fascinating story from the perspective of the little boy | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
but actually quite a modern, experimental exercise in language. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
He's not like a serious novelist, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
who would very consciously set out to impress us | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
with the stylistic mastery he has | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
over a description of child psychology. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
Instead he wants to write himself out of the picture. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
He doesn't want us to feel written at by an author. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Instead he wants us to be pulled in to the work, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
and to watch it and observe it from the perspective of the little boy, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
sitting low, on the floor, at the world around him. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
'Dickens's lifelong sympathy with the way children think | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
'actually affected everything he wrote.' | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
The very first time I took my son to see a film at the cinema, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
afterwards I asked him what he thought. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
He said it was very good, just like a DVD you could only see once. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
And it's that ability as a child to describe something | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
no way an adult would, that Dickens always carried around with him. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
'Dickens wrote children's stories for adults. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
'He stressed the power of the imagination, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
'the power a child has in abundance, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
'as a way of describing and reacting to | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
'the world he saw around us. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
'Even as he matured as a writer, his novels read like fairy tales, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
'of heroes growing up with wicked step-parents, running away, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
'gaining vast fortunes, being lost and found.' | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
'In 1849 Dickens published the first instalment of David Copperfield. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
'Like all his novels, it was released as a serial, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
'issued in 19 monthly parts. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
'Dickens was writing only weeks before his audience was reading him.' | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
'The original manuscript is housed | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
'in the National Art Library at London's Victoria and Albert Museum, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
'and I looked to see if it betrayed any signs of the relentless pressure | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
'Dickens must have been under.' | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
Am I allowed to touch them? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
Yes, please. Please do. Open it. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
It starts off with part number three, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
the first volume had the first two parts. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
"Personal history and experience of David Copperfield. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
"Chapter seven." | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
I'm seeing if I can read it. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
"School began in earnest that day." | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
It is quite... This would go off to the printers? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-This would go to the printers. -They could decipher this? -Yes! | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
But look at this, this is a mess, isn't it? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
This is in fact, extremely, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
really neat... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
-Really? -..And clear. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
You can tell that because the compositors, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
when they set from these manuscripts were extremely accurate. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
So he's writing these novels almost live, in a way. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
People are watching him write, in that he doesn't quite know... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
He has a rough idea where he wants to go, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
but doesn't quite know how it's going to end. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
He seems to have been fairly disciplined. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
He had a copy date of the 20th of each month. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
And he was normally two, three weeks in advance. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
-Really? -So he was relatively good at keeping up with... | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
The idea of being two weeks in advance of any writing deadline, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
to me is completely alien, I have to say! | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
I don't want to read too much analysis into the handwriting | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
but I get the sense of a very, very restless, unsettled personality. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
You know, having been a lifelong Dickens fan, to have this... | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
I am like a kid in a sweetie shop at the moment. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
But a sweetie shop run by a guy who makes bloody good sweets. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
'Dickens started his writing career first as a court reporter | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
'and then as a parliamentary sketch writer. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
'He was trained to be fast, vivid and entertaining. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
'So it's no surprise when he had his first piece of fiction published in 1833, when he was just 21, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
'that it was in the form of a comic short story. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
'And more, much more comedy, was to follow.' | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
As a kid I was two things - I was very bookish, you know, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
I loved reading, and I was also into comedy, but I always regarded those two worlds as being quite separate. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
Literature was serious, and for the funny stuff, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I spent all my money on comics and listening to great radio shows | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
like Hitchhikers' Guide To The Galaxy. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
And then I remember when I got hooked on Dickens, I picked up The Old Curiosity Shop, as you do, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:48 | |
and very early on, I came across this episode | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
where there's a great guy called Dick Swiveller | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
who has no money. And he's in a pub, and he's bought a meal. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
And he says to the innkeeper he'll come round later that night | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
and pay for it, and writes something down in a book. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
And his friend says to him, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
"Are you just writing down a reminder to come back this evening?" | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
and Dick says, "Not exactly, Fred. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
"I enter into this little book the names of the streets that I can't go down while the shops are open. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
"This dinner today closes Long Acre. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
"I bought a pair of boots in Great Queen Street last week | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
"and made that no thoroughfare too. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
"There's only one avenue to the Strand left open now, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
"and I shall have to stop up that tonight with a pair of gloves." | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
So what Dick Swiveller's doing is he's got a mental map of London | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
and he's just crossing out the streets he can't move down, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
because he owes people money there. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
And I was thinking, that's funny, but it reminds me of something, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
it reminds me of a stand-up comedy routine or a sketch, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
or that Charlie Chaplin scene where he's quite happily eating his own shoes | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
because he has no food left and no money to buy some. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
And that for me was a great eye-opener about Dickens. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
I think we're put off by this notion we have of Charles Dickens | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
as this great Victorian novelist, because it implies he's serious, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
whereas in fact I think he's the finest comedian we've ever produced. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
'By that I mean, much comedy today is still conditioned | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
'by the way Dickens wrote it in the 19th century, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
'and comedy writers and performers today owe a huge debt to him. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
'Other people who work in comedy think so too.' | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
There's this thing about Mrs Gamp. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Oh, Mrs Gamp who's the nurse in Martin Chuzzlewit. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
This sentence where he goes, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
"It was difficult to enjoy her society | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
"without becoming conscious of a smell of spirits." | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
So what he's basically saying is "This woman stank of alcohol". | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
The way he puts it, "It was difficult to enjoy her company!" | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
But Mrs Gamp, again, is kind of like a character from Psychoville, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
she's this small, squat woman. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
What you can do is, you can put a bottle of spirits on the side. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
She says, "I may take a drink. Or I may not. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
"It just depends on how I'll be disposed." | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
She'll drink the whole lot is what will happen. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
I'm devoted to Pickwick Papers. And Mr Jingle. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
He's a complete conman. A real con. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
And he speaks very fast so nobody else can get a word in. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Bang-bang-bang, like a machine gun. He's a very funny character. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
It's desperately dark, as well. Like... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
It's a man talking about how a woman's head was knocked off | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
by the top of an arch, in front of her children and then he's going, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
"She couldn't even eat a sandwich. She didn't have a head any more." | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
" 'Heads, heads, take care of your heads', cried a loquacious stranger | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
"as they came out under the low archway, which in those days formed the entrance to the coach yard. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
"Terrible place - dangerous work - other day - five children - mother - tall lady - | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
"eating sandwiches - forgot the arch - crash - knock - children looked round - | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
"mother's head off - sandwich in her hand - | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
"no mouth to put it in - head of a family off - | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
"shocking - shocking. Didn't keep a sharp look out enough, eh? Eh, sir? Eh?" | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
That's Peston on about 17 espressos. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Yes! That's spot on. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
It's that sense of the rhythms of colloquialisms and the way people speak. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
Because in reality, we don't finish our sentences and we all interrupt each other. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
That's the performer in him. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
There's a bit from Bleak House here with a little child roadsweeper. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
"She says to me, she says, 'Are you the boy at the inquich?' | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
"I says 'Yes', she says to me, she says, 'You could show me all them places'. I says, 'Yes, I can', | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
"she says to me, 'Do it' and I done it, and she give me a sovereign and I hooked it. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
"I hadn't much of the sovereign neither. I had to pay five bob down in old Tom Alone's | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
" 'fore they'd square it to give me change and then a young man thieved another fiver while I was asleep. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
"Another boy thieved ninepence." | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
I'm half expecting you now to go "Am I bovvered?" | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Exactly, yeah. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
'Dickens's comedy still seems fresh, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
'but it's the dark and serious nature of his themes | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
'that make his novels seem surprisingly modern. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
'And there's no more dominant theme in those novels...than money.' | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
'In Dickens's world, heroes and villains are obsessed with money - | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
'how to get it, what to do with it, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
'and above all, the terror of losing it. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
'A huge fear of debt and poverty | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
'can be traced back to Dickens's own childhood. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
'His father, John Dickens, was forever in debt, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
'and at one point endured the public shame | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
'of being sent to debtors' prison.' | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
'Charles was taken out of school, and aged 12, was sent to work | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
'in a shoe polish warehouse to feed his family. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
'The experience haunted him for the rest of his life.' | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
'When he came to write David Copperfield, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
'Dickens poured many of these feelings | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
'into the serial debtor Mr Micawber.' | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Now, Mr Micawber is such a brilliant character. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
I think we have this image of him from TV adaptations | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
of being just a sort of gregarious, fat, rather optimistic chap who, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
even though he has no money, is always talking about his expectation | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
that something is just around the corner, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
something is going to turn up. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
It's so different when you read the book. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
There, it's a much more sophisticated, painful read, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
because Micawber can start off by being very affectionate | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
and outgoing and full of high spirits, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and there's a genuine affection between him and Copperfield. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
But within seconds, as soon as the realisation comes upon him | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
of the debt that he carries, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
Micawber is reduced to being an almost childlike, self-pitying | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
little creature, railing about how he's doomed for the debtors' prison. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
He starts making knife-cutting gestures across his throat | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
and talks about what a tragic figure he is. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
And then he can pull himself together | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
and start singing songs and dancing the hornpipe. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
It's a very realistic and affectionate, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
and yet frustrated look at the twisted poison | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
that can be injected into someone's personality | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
by this awareness of debt. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
It's so hard to read, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
you almost have to put your fingers across your eyes as you read it. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
This looks like Julius Caesar. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
-That is Julius Caesar. That was the Leeds Playhouse. -Right. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
'For 63-year-old actor Ian Hurley, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
'Dickens's portrait of Micawber has a special significance. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:08 | |
'When work dried up, Ian found himself in debt, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
'owing the bank £40,000.' | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Mr Micawber, you can see that when he has these highs and lows | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
and when someone has a debt problem, it really doesn't go... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:33 | |
It, it... You see how he's trying to escape from it. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
Well, here's the passage which describes that sense of being up and down | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
that goes through Mr Micawber. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
"It was nothing at all unusual for Mr Micawber to sob violently | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
"at the beginning of one of these Saturday night conversations | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
"and sing about Jack's delight being his lovely Nan towards the end of it. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
"I've known him come home to supper with a flood of tears | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
"and a declaration that nothing was now left but a jail | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
"and go to bed making a calculation of the expense | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
"of putting bow windows on the house in case anything turned up, which was his favourite expression." | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
It will give you a high and a low and can make you cry. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
You can even be driving along in your car and you think about this and you cry. But to.... | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
Why the high? Where does the high come from? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Well, the high is the telling yourself that it's OK. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Because of the presence of the worry of debt you will take highs from it | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
to remove the... Let's say to remove the depression of it. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
And I think this is where the highs come and the crying and the emotion. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
And he does great flourishes. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
He suddenly... When he's trying to enjoy himself | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
he enjoys himself very, very noisily and energetically, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
as if to show there's nothing wrong. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
And that's very interesting. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
To show there's nothing wrong, to show that it's OK. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
"It's OK, yeah, fine, come and have another drink! It's fine." | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
And someone says to you, "You look a bit sad, you look a bit tense." | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
You say, "No, no, no, I'm fine, it's OK!" | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
And the other thing he does is sometimes pretend that he's paying stuff back, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
but he'll know he's running up a debt | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
and with a great flourish he'll write an I-O-U. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
I think that's wonderful. I think it's a wonderful idea. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
I just wish I could write a few I-O-Us to the bank and say, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
"Well, that's you paid!" | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
'Micawber is a brilliant creation on his own. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
'But what Dickens also does is show how debt spreads like an infection, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:41 | |
'so that it extends its hold beyond Micawber | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
'on to anybody who he befriends.' | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Like David Copperfield's friend Tommy Traddles | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
who sells a number of objects to the pawn shop to raise some money for Micawber. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
And then one day Traddles decides there's one thing he really wants back from that pawn shop, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
a little decorative pot given to him by his girlfriend. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
'As the pawnbroker will only sell it back to Traddles | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
'at an inflated price, he begs Peggotty to buy it back for him. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:18 | |
'Leaving Traddles himself waiting anxiously around the corner.' | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
'At first Peggotty leaves empty-handed, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
'but then the broker calls her back.' | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
'And finally she returns, triumphant.' | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
It's like a scene from a film, it's like a farce, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
where money is reduced to something very small, very specific | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
and yet very, very meaningful. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
'When Dickens wrote David Copperfield | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
'his public image was of a restless but nonetheless contented family man.' | 0:29:11 | 0:29:17 | |
'He'd been married to Catherine Dickens for 13 years | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'and with their brood of eight children it seemed like they had a happy home.' | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
'Privately, though, Dickens developed misgivings about Catherine's suitability as a wife | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
'and there were quiet strains within the marriage.' | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
'In David Copperfield we can sense Dickens's own ambivalence towards his marriage | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
'in his portrayal of David's relationship with his wife, Dora.' | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
'Impulsive and immature, David is at first blind to the fact | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
'that Dora is wrong for him.' | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
'But wiser friends and family can see trouble coming from the start.' | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
Here's a scene with David and his aunt Betsey Trotwood, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
and the loudest sound in this whole passage is of Betsy Trotwood biting her lip. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
"So you fancy yourself in love, do you?" | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
"Fancy, Aunt?" I exclaimed as red as I could be. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
"I adore her with my whole soul." | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
"Dora indeed!" returned my Aunt. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
"And you mean to say the little thing is very fascinating, I suppose?" | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
"My dear Aunt, no-one could form the least idea what she is." | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
"Ah! And not silly?" said my aunt. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
"Silly, Aunt?" | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
"Not light-headed?" "Light-headed, Aunt?" | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
I could only repeat this daring speculation. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
"Well, well, I only ask. I don't depreciate her. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
"Poor little couple. And so you think you were formed for one another | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
"and are to go through a party-supper-table kind of life, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
"like two pretty pieces of confectionary? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
"Do you, Trot?" | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
It's a difficult, uncomfortable read | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
as you go through this plotline in the book. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
It's a daring, sophisticated, brutal analysis | 0:31:14 | 0:31:19 | |
of two young people committing nuptial suicide. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
'It's almost as if Dickens was toying with the boundaries | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
'that separated his private life from public gaze. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
'In 1859, he and Catherine had another child, a girl, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
'and they called her...Dora.' | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
Meanwhile the fictional Dora was proving far, far too much | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
for the novel to bear. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
The love story was staining the rest of the novel | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
with a mood of bitterness and guilt. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
The marriage between Dora and David had to come to an end. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
But in Victorian times it would have been improper for it to end | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
with divorce or even separation. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
So Dickens has Dora fall ill | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
and quite suddenly and quite conveniently die. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
Now, his daughter was born a week before Dora is killed in the novel | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
and at the time Dickens writes to his wife Catherine, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
"I'm uncertain of my movements, for after another splitting day | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
"I still have Dora to kill. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
"I mean the Copperfield Dora!" | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
SEAGULLS CAW | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
'This is Broadstairs on the Kent coast.' | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
'Dickens often brought his family here in the summer | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
'to escape from the crowds and heat of London.' | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
'The year he was finishing David Copperfield | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
'they stayed at Fort House, since renamed Bleak House.' | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
'It's occasionally open to the public | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
'but it's also home to Richard and Jackie Hilton. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
'And they have a sometimes unorthodox take | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
'on the life of Charles Dickens.' | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
We're just going into the Charles Dickens dining room... | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
-Right. -..which is where he used to, um...from all reports, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:42 | |
have a seven or eight-course breakfast. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
That would finish me off, that would. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
-I'd be in bed for an hour after. -Yeah, me too. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
And no doubt people come and ask you all sorts of questions. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
Well, they do, yeah, but I don't know that much. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Only that he was married with seven children. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
-Nine. -Sorry, nine children. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
-But he had quite a few women on the side. -Oh, did he now? | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
Well, I know about one. You reckon there were all sorts going on? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Yeah, for sure. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
-So this would have been living quarters as well. -Yeah. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
-I mean, did you know much about Dickens before the house? -Nothing at all. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
And how do you feel now, six years on? | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Do you feel there's this other presence around? This life that you've.... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
Well, you can hear soldiers sometimes. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
-Hear soldiers? -You can hear soldiers, Cos this was called Fort House | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
and we did contact Most Haunted | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
cos I thought it would be good for people to know. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
-A Christmas Special! -Yeah! | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
-And this is at night? -At night. But the voices are in the daytime. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
What voices? Where do these voices come from? | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
You hear a woman's voice, and she'll say, "Not again!" in a very posh voice. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
Let's get out. Let's... This is extraordinary! I didn't know any of this. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:13 | |
-Where are we going? In here? -This is Charles Dickens's bedroom. -Uh-huh? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
Um... | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
And I gather there's a cellar, someone was saying? | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
-Yes, that's right. -And what did Dickens use the cellar for, then? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
I think mainly probably some of his staff slept in it. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
But I think he also used it for contraband. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
-Contraband? -Contraband, yeah. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
When he died, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
there were two 50-gallon drums - barrels, rather - of tobacco | 0:35:40 | 0:35:46 | |
and 2,000 bottles of brandy found in the cellar. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
Oh, that's completely coloured my view of him | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
as being a respectable member of society! | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Now, look at this. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
This is where Dickens wrote. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
This is where he finished David Copperfield. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
His little airy nest, as he called it. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
And it's about the size of a nest, it is quite small. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I'm surprised how small it is. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
It's almost like he forced himself to sit down and write. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
It's the Victorian equivalent of a writer | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
switching off his mobile phone and disconnecting the internet | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
to avoid all distractions here. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
But here is where this whole room | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
forces you to look out towards the sea. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
In David Copperfield, he describes towards the end of the novel, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
a gargantuan storm scene that kills several major characters in the novel. | 0:36:53 | 0:37:00 | |
I won't reveal the names, that would spoil things. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
And Dickens himself found these quite traumatic scenes, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
not just in the storm, but as the novel reached its conclusion, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
quite difficult to finish. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
He says he was nearly "clean knocked over" by the writing of it. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
At one point he says, "It defeated me." | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
In actual fact, those scenes were some of the most powerful scenes that Dickens had written to date. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
And he did it here, at this desk. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
Let's see if I can get some inspiration. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Maybe for my next link. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
As I look out towards the sea, just drink it all in. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
'Dickens's popularity rested not just on his characters and stories, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
'but also on his satire.' | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
'His early works savage the Victorian governing classes' | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
'appalling treatment of its dispossessed.' | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
'And as he wrote more and more, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
'he poured derision on ever vaster sections of society.' | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
'As Dickens grew more successful, he was welcomed into the British establishment, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
'and the closer he looked at that establishment,' | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
the surer he was that it was rotten to the core. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
And that's why, in the later novels, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
it's this world that he wants to show us up close. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Welcome to Dickensopolis. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
'Today, Dickens's satire still stings. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
'In the novel Little Dorrit, he caricatures | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
'the way the country is run by "the Circumlocution Office." ' | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
"The Circumlocution Office was the most important department under government. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
"Its finger was in the largest public pie | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
"and in the smallest public tart. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
"If another gunpowder plot had been discovered half an hour before the lighting of the match, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
"nobody would have been justified in saving the parliament | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
"until there had been half a score of boards, half a bushel of minutes, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
"several sacks of official memoranda and a family vault full of | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
"ungrammatical correspondence on the part of the Circumlocution Office." | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
Dickens's description of bureaucracy run riot | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
really set the template | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
for any satirical take on government written ever since. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
In this, we have the beginnings of Big Brother | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes, Minister | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
and even the obstructiveness and obtuseness | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
that Harry Potter meets from the Ministry of Magic. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
'One of Dickens's favourite targets was the law.' | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
'The novel Bleak House is set against the background | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
'of a disputed inheritance and the infamous, long-running | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
'Chancery lawsuit of Jarndyce v Jarndyce.' | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
The case of Jarndyce and Jarndyce | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
is based on a long-running Chancery dispute | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
that I'm sure Tony Arlidge has at his fingertips and can tell us all about. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
I was in it. I appeared in it! | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
But that was an actual case which I think lasted 20-odd years. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
'I met Judge John Lafferty, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
'the first visually impaired judge on the bench, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
'senior barrister Antony Arlidge QC | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
'and Ellis Sareen, also a barrister, to see | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
'how well they thought Dickens made his case, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
'and whether there's still a case to answer.' | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
We also need to remember in all of this | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-that he has got this fantastic vividness of phrase. -He has. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
When the Lord Chancellor comes in, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
all the barristers in their white wigs and black gowns get up and bow | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
like "so many pianoforte keys". | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
Even now, there are days in the Courts of Chancery where there are | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
quite a large number of barristers present at one time. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
And in just one little phrase, he absolutely encapsulates that. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:53 | |
Do you feel that Dickens presents | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
a fair portrait of how the law operated at the time that he was writing? | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
He's out to pillory the way in which institutions can evolve | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
so that they're there to serve as much | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
the interests of their practitioners, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
to the detriment of the vulnerable, the poor and the needy, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
as they are to right the wrongs in society. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Central to it, actually, is something that remains a problem - | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
that very often, particularly with small civil claims, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
the cost of the legal proceedings is bound to exceed | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
the damages that are obtained. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Yes. In the time of Bleak House, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
there were lawyers who prolonged litigation for their own advantage. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
There have been ever since, and there always will be. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
That's always going to be a problem. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
One thing I do want to ask is, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
when you read these accounts of the law, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
do you feel implicated or part of that? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
There's always a tendency... for example, politicians looking at The Thick Of It would tell me | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
"Oh, I know someone just like that." It's never themselves, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:58 | |
but it's always someone that they know. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
I just wonder how you feel? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
It's a fair cop, guv. You've got me bang to rights. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
Some of it's timeless. Yeah... and you see it all the time. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:10 | |
Not me, obviously. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
The great thing about it is that it is hugely entertaining. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:18 | |
That's right, the great thing about Dickens is his theatricality. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
It's a series of vivid scenes. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
And how about today? If Dickens were writing today, then, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
what in the way the system works now, is there anything you think | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
he would immediately seize on? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Oh, I don't think he'd be short of material. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
'It's not just in our institutions that we can sometimes spot | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
'the timelessness of Dickens's attacks.' | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
'The characters who dominate his institutions can seem familiar too. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
'Today, we may have the likes of Mr Murdoch, but in Little Dorrit, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
'Dickens gives us a Mr Merdle.' | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
"Mr Merdle was immensely rich; a man of prodigious enterprise; | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
"a Midas who turned all he touched to gold. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
"He was in everything good, from banking to building. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
"He was in Parliament, of course. He was in the City necessarily. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
"The weightiest of men had said to projectors | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
"What name have you got? Have you got Merdle?" And the reply being in the negative | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
had said "Then I won't look at you." | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
The whole novel is a depiction partly of this figure. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
One figure, Merdle, moving through society, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
and first the politicians and then the media | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
and then the law all come to pay homage to him. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:44 | |
But he himself is a strange shadowy figure whose bank collapses, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
whose money fritters away and who ends up killing himself in a bath. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
It's a frightening and sadly familiar depiction | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
of the whole of British society | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
converging around one man who tries to control it, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
and in the end...imploding. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
Now, surely something as horrific as that, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
150 years ago, couldn't happen today. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
I mean, we know so much more now, don't we? | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
'It wasn't just as a novelist | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
'that Dickens expressed his views on society. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
'As a journalist, and then as a magazine editor, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
'he had the chance to publish his observations on everything. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
'And he fed his enormous appetite for the detail of life | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
'by taking long walks almost every day, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
'regularly clocking up to 20 miles.' | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
'As he walked, he observed every little oddity - | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
'a weird play of light, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
'or the strange bend of a nose on a passer-by.' | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
'And he was most inspired by the walks he took at night.' | 0:46:07 | 0:46:14 | |
There's a fantastic essay that he wrote called "Night Walks" | 0:46:15 | 0:46:20 | |
in which he describes wandering over to an insane asylum, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
Bethlehem Hospital, a house full of lunatics. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
And he goes there because he has a particular fancy in his head. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
"Are not the sane and the insane | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
"equal at night as the sane lie adreaming?" | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
"Are not all of us outside this hospital who dream more or less | 0:46:38 | 0:46:43 | |
"in the condition of those inside it every night of our lives?" | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
Basically, we're as mad as the people inside at night, | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
by what goes on inside our head in our dreams. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
"Said an afflicted man to me | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
"when I was last in a hospital like this, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
" 'Sir, I can frequently fly!' | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
"I was half-ashamed to reflect that so could I, by night. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
"Said a woman to me on the same occasion, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
" 'Queen Victoria comes to dine with me, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
" 'and Her Majesty and I dine off peaches and macaroni in our nightgowns.' | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
"Could I refrain from reddening with consciousness when I remembered | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
"the amazing royal parties I myself had given at night?" | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
That's what I love about Dickens, his ability to come up | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
with a conclusion or make an observation | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
you'd think would be bizarre, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:28 | |
but actually, when you hear it, seems perfectly natural. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
That's why I think the night plays such a prominent role | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
in his writing, because it gives him this ability | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
to take those two worlds, the everyday and the familiar | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
and the unfamiliar, the dark and the mysterious, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and superimpose them on each other simultaneously, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
so that throughout his writing, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
those two worlds are weaving in and out of each other, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
so at no one point do you know exactly where you stand. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
'All sorts of human pathologies intrigued Dickens, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
'and David Copperfield includes an extraordinary character | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
'who suffers from delusions.' | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
'But instead of being shut up in an asylum, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
'he's been taken in by David's Aunt Betsey. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
'He's the rather marvellous Mr Dick.' | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
'Mr Dick is one of the strangest, most peculiar characters | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
'I've ever encountered, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
'not just in a Dickens novel, but in any novel. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
'For most of his life, he's been writing a project' | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
which he calls The Memorial. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
We never quite get to the bottom of what The Memorial is. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
It's this very nebulous historical document that he's trying to write, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
but his work on a daily basis is interrupted by thoughts | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
in his head about the execution of King Charles I. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
These thoughts torture and torment him, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
and the only thing he can do to get this these thoughts of the execution of Charles I out of his head | 0:49:16 | 0:49:22 | |
is to write them down on big pieces of paper, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
to gather those bits of paper up and to fashion a paper kite out of them | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
and to go outside and fly the kite in the air. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
Now, when I describe it like that, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
you might think that sounds so deranged and bizarre | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
that it's unbelievable, and yet when you read David's account | 0:49:39 | 0:49:43 | |
of his relationship with Mr Dick, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
it suddenly seems believable. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
"I used to fancy as I sat by him of an evening on a green slope | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
"and saw him watch the kite high in the quiet air | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
"that it lifted his mind out of its confusion | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
"and bore it into the skies. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
"As he wound the string in and it came lower and lower down | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
"out of the beautiful light till it fluttered to the ground | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
"and lay there like a dead thing, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
"he seemed to wake gradually out a dream, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
"and I remembered to have seen him take it up | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
"and look about him in a lost way, | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
"as if they had both come down together, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
"so that I pitied him with all my heart." | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
The truth is, we're not really looking at some grotesque eccentric, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:32 | |
exaggerated for our amusement. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
With Mr Dick, we're watching a quite accurate | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
and heartrendingly real portrayal of someone with a mental illness. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:44 | |
In fact, some have commented with the benefit of hindsight | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
that Dickens's own manic behaviour may have indicated | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
signs of an element of bipolarity in his personality. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:56 | |
Now, whatever the truth of that is, you can't help but feel | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
that Dickens himself saw the world in this unique way. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
He even described, in a letter, his own imagination as an infirmity, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
a tendency to fancy or perceive relations between things | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
that are not apparent generally. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
Which is what Mr Dick does. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
I really do think it's no exaggeration to say | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
that Mr Dick is a heightened version of Mr Dickens. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
'In 1850, as he finished David Copperfield, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
'Dickens was still in control | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
'not only of his fanciful, but also his darker thoughts. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
'But this didn't last. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
'Seven years later, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
'what he had subconsciously expressed in the novel | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
'seeped into reality, and he left his wife. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
'He then pursued a relationship | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
'he'd begun with a 19-year-old actress, Ellen Ternan.' | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
'Yet the pressure of keeping the liaison secret, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
'together with growing panic that his talent would desert him, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
'began to make him ill.' | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
'But Dickens refused to slow down. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
'In 1867, he embarked on a series of public reading tours, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:31 | |
'determined to power on.' | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
This is Dickens's own annotated reading copy of the scene | 0:52:39 | 0:52:45 | |
in which Sykes kills Nancy in Oliver Twist. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:51 | |
And this was the highlight of Dickens's public readings. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
It had people fainting in the aisles and running out. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
And you can see it's got his underlinings | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
and emphasis where he is signalling to himself | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
that he's going to pause and add dramatic action. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
We've got here little marks in the side margin. "Beckon down", | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
"You won't be too violent", underlining, "murder coming". | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
That's a little note to himself now to shift up another gear. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
We're in the home stretch of this bludgeoning. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:27 | |
And once we get up to the moment of the murder itself, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
this is turning into quite a passionate, violent, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
very physical performance here. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
The annotations are now scarring the whole of the text here. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
"Action!" "Mystery!" "Terror to the end." "Dashed out his brains!!" | 0:53:43 | 0:53:49 | |
Double exclamation mark at the end. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
Dickens's public readings were quite sensational. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
They were the hottest ticket in town. They were wildly popular. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
People would queue up overnight. The place would be mobbed. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
It was like Lady Gaga coming to town. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
His tour of America was quite strenuous and energetic, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:13 | |
and really fatigued him. He was quite ill. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
But Dickens couldn't help but throw himself into it, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
physically and mentally. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
Many say that in particular, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
it was his performance of the reading of the Sykes and Nancy scene | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
that in the end killed him. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
'In June 1870, Dickens suffered a stroke, and died at home. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:45 | |
'He was 58, and he was halfway through writing a new novel. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:51 | |
'It was a small, unremarkable ending | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
'for a writer that had lived such a large, remarkable life. | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
'But then Dickens never was very comfortable with endings.' | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
'David Copperfield finishes with a whole host of characters, including Mr Micawber, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
'sailing off to Australia to start a new life.' | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
'And they succeed. Micawber grows prosperous, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
'while at home, David marries again and lives happily ever after.' | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
'But this ending doesn't feel so happy when we shut the book.' | 0:55:32 | 0:55:37 | |
For me, Dickens's endings are disappointing. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:47 | |
I know I'm going to be hauled over the coals | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
by militant Dickensian Taliban for saying that, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
but I feel that Dickens hated finishing his novels | 0:55:53 | 0:55:57 | |
and his heart wasn't in it. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
It's when his characters are restless and struggling | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
and energetic that they're at their most animated, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
and it's when they become static that something goes out of them. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
For Dickens, I think a happy ending is dull. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
It's how people struggle to try and attain a happy ending | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
that's much, much more interesting. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
'It's over 170 years since Dickens published his first novel, | 0:56:27 | 0:56:32 | |
'and readers still find his work surprisingly fresh.' | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
The thing about Dickens is, it stands up so well. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
A lot of the humour is entirely modern. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
It is gripping. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
He has great plots. He has the most incredible characterisation, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
but always with a sort of psychological basis. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
Whoever he writes about, even if it's a sort of loathsome character | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
they're human beings. He takes them warts and all. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
It's like that moment in a song when you go "Oh, yeah." | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
You hear a song and go, "Oh, that's how I feel." | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
I said at the start of this programme | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
that I thought each Dickens novel | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
feels like a continuation of the rest. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
Each novel gives you a unique vision of the world | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
that's curiously like your own, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
and yet strangely magnified and distorted, and as a result, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
Dickens makes you read the characters around you completely afresh. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
He forces you to gaze much more intently | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
at your physical surroundings and inside, | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
looking at the state of your own mental and emotional condition. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:48 | |
That's why Dickens's work is, for me, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
still the greatest example in the English language | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
of a mind trying to engage comically and yet honestly | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
with what it means to be human. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
And that's why, also, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:04 | |
I think the best reaction to reading a Dickens for the very first time | 0:58:04 | 0:58:09 | |
is to do what quite a lot of people do | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
when they read a Dickens for the very first time, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
which is to pick up a new one and start reading that straight away. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
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